Many tears ago, as a teenager, I deer hunted with a Remington 81. The rifle was borrowed from my father's best friend who taught me how it worked. He was generous with ammunition when I test fired. This went on for about 4 seasons. I was/am so lucky to have had that experience. Thanks for this video.
Oh my gosh yes! Grandpa's old Number 8 in 35 rem! Every time I see one it brings back great memories of a great man from the Greatest Generation. Fantastic gun.
I've always been intrigued with the model 8 ever since reading a book about Ralph Edwards of Lonesome Lake. He used one in 35 Rem to provide for his family in the remote BC wilderness, ran a trap line and killed many grizzlies with it in the early part of the 20th century.
Always good to see someone else that appreciates older designs like the 8 and 81. I have an 8 in .30 Rem and an 81 in .300 Savage. Used to have another 8 in.35 Rem, too, but sold it . Great woods deer guns.
I have model 8s in 25 and 30 Remington and a model 81 in 300 Savage. They're my favorite semi-autos too! I have dies and cases enough to last another hundred years!
If I am not mistaken, Frank Hammer or one of his boys used a model 8 that fateful day that Bonnie and Clyde took their last breaths. And I think Clyde's "whip it gun" was a shortened auto 5 in one flavor or another.
I live in a country where firearms ownership is a bureaucratic nightmare, but I've developed an appreciation for "the classics" and I would very much like to own a Model 1897 - especially in the "trap" configuration, with the fine chequering on the stock and fore-end. Maybe some day...
Another excellent review of some classic firearms! If I remember correctly, I believe I have seen a number of photo's of police officers using Rem. 8 or 81's during the 20's and 30's in shootouts with well-known bank robbers and other miscreants. In fact, I remember seeing police with one or both of these models at the shootings of Bonnie and Clyde.
Hey Mike, I hope all is well with you and yours! Another great video, I might add, about another great gun! Each of these look nice but like you I am partial to the Model 8! Thanks so much for all you do and I couldn't agree more on your ''supreme efficiency'' comment! Take care my friend and maybe we will meet one day this side of Heaven! All the best!
That Remington model 8 chambered in 35 Remington is what Texas Ranger Frank Hamer used to kill Bonnie and Clyde Barrow . His was the police issued model which had a detachable box magazine, that was equipped with a banana style or drum magazine. If you’ve ever seen that car on display ( I have ) it is riddled with.35 caliber holes , it’s quite a scary sight to see . I’d love to have that rifle there , what a gem ! Best deer rifle in the woods if you ask me.
Thanks for the video! Love the models 8 and 81. I have model 8s in all calibres they came in ( a .25, a .30, two .32s, 2 .35s, an 81 in .300, and one of F.N.'s version, the F.N. Model 1900).
I always enjoy all of your shows, sir. I appreciate your knowledge and how you relate to guns in general. Very refreshing. I know nothing of the guns. The 8 or the 81, but I am very impressed with them. I have a fondness for guns and cartridge ballistics. Your fondness was quite evident in this video. All the best.
👍 Very nice video. Years ago I had the Remington in the .300 Savage and I thought it kicked like mule when compared to my Savage 99 in .300 Savage which I thought was odd. But, other than that the Remington was unique and interesting to shoot. I agree with you, at reasonable ranges the open iron sights were accurate.
Great segment on an interesting rifle! I inherited my grandfather's 81 which is identical to the last one you featured right down to the side-saddle scope mount which I don't care for. It throws the balance off and makes it less pleasant to carry. It's also tricky to train your brain to align it correctly when shouldering for a shot. But Grandpa was quite proficient with it and took many whitetails including his world record contender. I've never fired it but I might dust it off this fall and take a deer in his memory
A remarkably attractive rifle. Utilitarian in appearance but very sleek and the proportions are perfect. The AK's safety lever is remarkably similar to the Model 8's. Regarding your comment on "supreme efficiency" and hunting with god-knows-what - made me think of punt guns. Commonly used in Europe as well as the USA, usually by ordinary folks to put food on the table, although European aristocrats sometimes hunted with punt guns for sport, too. Holland & Holland made punt guns, to their usual high standard of fit and finish. Imagine the expense...
Your correct about the early versions being just an Remington auto loading rifle and they were devoid of any model designation. I had one a few years ago in 35 Rem with no model numbers and a good amount of wear. They catch decent prices now so I sold it off. Good luck on your waterfowling.
When I first moved to this rural northwoods area in 1980, the local gun shop always had 2-3 model 8's or 81's in the used gun rack. At the time all I could think about was getting an HK-91 so they didn't interest me. Now I wish I had purchased one. 😮
I have always been a proponent of the auto5 humpback. We call it a flat back in my parts. I feel it sights so much quicker and more naturally for birds and clays so than a ramped forward reciever like an 870 or Mossberg.
knew a fellow who had one in 35 Remington, went on a hunting trip to Wyoming, couldn’t hit anything so he had an 8 power scope attached 😳Poor fellow never would accept the fact that it was a brush gun.
.35 Rem is pretty comparable to .30-30. Pretty steep rainbow trajectory. You _can_ make hits at 200 yards but you'll be aiming pretty high. 100 yards is much more reasonable. As you say, it's a brush gun, not a precision rifle. Attaching an 8-power scope is a bit silly. The Model 8 was also available in .300 Savage. Now _that_ would let you reach out and touch things - although I imagine .300 Savage from a long-recoil action would beat your shoulder up pretty bad.
Hi Mike so nice to see you again!! I have one in a 35 .to make a 81 today it would cost probably over 3 thousand today. And metal to wood fit would be terrible!! Old guns were made so nice!! I'm curious how you feeling Mike ?? So nice to see you shoot one ? In next video! So nice to see you Mike once again!!! Thank you
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Hey Mike, It’s me again. Another fine educational and entertaining video. I’ve known about and been fascinated by the models 8 and 81 for many years but have never been able to obtain one. I’d have to have one of each with the 8 in 35 Remington and the 81 in 300 Savage. I’ve already got 35 Remington in a 336 Marlin and 300 Savage in a 99F so very familiar with both cartridges. I have collections of Remington model 11, 11-48 and 1100 shotguns. The 11 and 11-48 shotguns, which were Remington’s licensed versions of the Browning are subject to having collapsed magazine tube recoil/barrel return spring and collapsed main action spring which is located in the butt stocks of those shotguns. Those collapsed springs can make the recoil in those shotguns seem vicious. When they are corrected with new springs the recoil sensation is really not bad even in 12 or 16 gauge. I wonder if the big spring in the 8 and 81 could be suffering the same condition and causing the complaints about recoil. The 35 Remington is a mild recoils cartridge in lightweight lever action rifles and 300 Savage is usually a little lighter than 308 in any action rifle of the same weight. Just a thought. Happy hunting!
Good thoughts and thanks for sharing. Could be the springs. Also, since the barrel , spring, bolt etc... are in motion upon firing - the rifle is much lighter; when the barrel and recoiling parts reach the end of their travel they stop and "hit" the "lighter" rifle and hence the shooter. Just some thoughts.
Just to imagine the men who invented those rifle mechanisms , first they needed to have a great imagination to create something new, something that was not there before .
If I am not mistaken, Frank Hammer or one of his boys used a model 8 that fateful day that Bonnie and Clyde took their last breaths. And I think Clyde's "whip it gun" was a shortened auto 5 in one flavor or another. Actually I just looked and it was a shortened Remington Model 11 which is an auto 5 made by Rem.
I once came across what appeared to look like the Winchester that you have . it was in 22lr and the barrel has been modified into a suppressed bull barrel look. The owner claims that he uses it to shoot mice in his warehouse. He allowed me to shoot it and the only sound I could hear was the movement of the bolt.
My Auto fives are works of art and I consider them to be the finest auto loader made. I would never take it in a duck boat. Duck hunting is better off with the crappiest shotguns LOL.
I have an 81 from 1946 in .300 Savage which is probly the best caliber the 8 or 81 ever came out with. The round was so good that it became the .308 Winchester and in fact I make my .300 savage rounds from .308 military brass (so there is no .308 headstamp) shooting the gun? LOL.. it is like shooting a pogo stick IMO... accuracy is in the one inch range at 50 yards which is about as far as I want to shoot paper at with open sights. And yeah I have an auto 5 and set the rings for heavy loads but they still work ok with lighter loads.
I would love a Molde 8/81, I just dont want it in 35 rem. Or 300 savage, or 30 rem, 25 rem, or whatever else it was chambered in. Just give me one in 22-250, or 308, or 243, or 45-70 because why not?
If there has not been edited to the gun laws over here since last i checked, since this June they are only for collector and ipsc/ reserve officers Reason why is that they have handguard and was made for leo also with higher magazine capacity than 10 shots also Win 1907 amd so ,they are still hunting legal Other semis been banned also sadly, even .22s with abive 10 shot magazine ,like Ruger 10-22 many others, ,even tube fed , Sad for all . Some rifles bought before the date can be had still,others is turnin or sell abroad, or edit status on to collector or match
Many tears ago, as a teenager, I deer hunted with a Remington 81. The rifle was borrowed from my father's best friend who taught me how it worked. He was generous with ammunition when I test fired. This went on for about 4 seasons. I was/am so lucky to have had that experience. Thanks for this video.
No doubt what a great memory and experience sounds like a fair man and good fella.
Oh my gosh yes! Grandpa's old Number 8 in 35 rem! Every time I see one it brings back great memories of a great man from the Greatest Generation. Fantastic gun.
Thanks for the comment!
It’s like a little Christmas present every time one of your videos drop.
I've always been intrigued with the model 8 ever since reading a book about Ralph Edwards of Lonesome Lake. He used one in 35 Rem to provide for his family in the remote BC wilderness, ran a trap line and killed many grizzlies with it in the early part of the 20th century.
Let’s go! Two of my favorite rifles. Just good old fashioned American wood and steel.
Always good to see someone else that appreciates older designs like the 8 and 81. I have an 8 in .30 Rem and an 81 in .300 Savage. Used to have another 8 in.35 Rem, too, but sold it . Great woods deer guns.
Your videos are always great and from the heart. Very down to earth so never worry about how your perceived. We’re all human. Love the 8s and 81s
I have model 8s in 25 and 30 Remington and a model 81 in 300 Savage. They're my favorite semi-autos too! I have dies and cases enough to last another hundred years!
you're so lucky man! I'd love to have one of these beauties. Very sleek and elegant.
Traded a 81 in 300 savage for an 8 in 30 Remington. I’m pretty happy with it
I hope you're able to get them out once in a while and enjoy them.
If I am not mistaken, Frank Hammer or one of his boys used a model 8 that fateful day that Bonnie and Clyde took their last breaths. And I think Clyde's "whip it gun" was a shortened auto 5 in one flavor or another.
I have an 81 in 300 Savage. I’m having ejection problems. Have you encountered the same thing? Have you ever had to replace ejector springs?
John Browning. Took the A-5 shotgun and turned it into a rifle
That sounds about right
Right with you on these. And the 35 Rem. The best of the rest. The cream on the top.
Thank you
Beautiful Rifles
I can see why they are your favorite Automatic rifles. Excellent. Thanks for sharing. Take care now!
Thank you so much for your video's and your experience and knowledge of different guns.
Model 8 for the win! 🥇
Sir, you always have the most beautiful firearms especially the A5. I have one, and it is my favorite.
I live in a country where firearms ownership is a bureaucratic nightmare, but I've developed an appreciation for "the classics" and I would very much like to own a Model 1897 - especially in the "trap" configuration, with the fine chequering on the stock and fore-end. Maybe some day...
In 35 Remington, they are dang nice.
I completely agree, I would love a brand new offering very much like the 8, or 81 in 35 or 300 Savage
Another excellent review of some classic firearms!
If I remember correctly, I believe I have seen a number of photo's of police officers using Rem. 8 or 81's during the 20's and 30's in shootouts with well-known bank robbers and other miscreants. In fact, I remember seeing police with one or both of these models at the shootings of Bonnie and Clyde.
The old 742 still getting the job done for me
Thanks for the note - I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds the 742 a very fine semi
Totally different page? You're in a totally different BOOK. I love these old rifles and shotguns, more so than anything they make today.
Those are some beautiful rifles for sure, I agree with love the classics and the winchester long recoil rifles as well👍
I Remember That Video Of The Model 8 You Posted Years Gone By 😊😀 JMBrowning 1855-1926 RIP 😩😇
Hey Mike, I hope all is well with you and yours! Another great video, I might add, about another great gun! Each of these look nice but like you I am partial to the Model 8! Thanks so much for all you do and I couldn't agree more on your ''supreme efficiency'' comment! Take care my friend and maybe we will meet one day this side of Heaven! All the best!
Thank you!
Thank you sir for all the work you put into these wonderful little productions.
That Remington model 8 chambered in 35 Remington is what Texas Ranger Frank Hamer used to kill Bonnie and Clyde Barrow . His was the police issued model which had a detachable box magazine, that was equipped with a banana style or drum magazine. If you’ve ever seen that car on display ( I have ) it is riddled with.35 caliber holes , it’s quite a scary sight to see . I’d love to have that rifle there , what a gem ! Best deer rifle in the woods if you ask me.
Hope you get one soon
Very interesting firearms,thank you.
You have great taste in guns. Glad to hear the particular back stories.
Awesome collection. I hunted and shot my first Rabbit with a similar 12ga!
Thanks for the video! Love the models 8 and 81. I have model 8s in all calibres they came in ( a .25, a .30, two .32s, 2 .35s, an 81 in .300, and one of F.N.'s version, the F.N. Model 1900).
Thank you for another great video 👍👍
I always enjoy all of your shows, sir. I appreciate your knowledge and how you relate to guns in general. Very refreshing.
I know nothing of the guns. The 8 or the 81, but I am very impressed with them.
I have a fondness for guns and cartridge ballistics. Your fondness was quite evident in this video. All the best.
👍 Very nice video. Years ago I had the Remington in the .300 Savage and I thought it kicked like mule when compared to my Savage 99 in .300 Savage which I thought was odd. But, other than that the Remington was unique and interesting to shoot. I agree with you, at reasonable ranges the open iron sights were accurate.
Your recoil or action spring was probably fatigued allowing the bolt to overtravel and give that smack a bit harder than it should have.
@@williamgaines9784 Thank you very much for this information. Sadly, I sold my model 81 six years ago.
Great segment on an interesting rifle! I inherited my grandfather's 81 which is identical to the last one you featured right down to the side-saddle scope mount which I don't care for. It throws the balance off and makes it less pleasant to carry. It's also tricky to train your brain to align it correctly when shouldering for a shot. But Grandpa was quite proficient with it and took many whitetails including his world record contender. I've never fired it but I might dust it off this fall and take a deer in his memory
A remarkably attractive rifle. Utilitarian in appearance but very sleek and the proportions are perfect.
The AK's safety lever is remarkably similar to the Model 8's.
Regarding your comment on "supreme efficiency" and hunting with god-knows-what - made me think of punt guns. Commonly used in Europe as well as the USA, usually by ordinary folks to put food on the table, although European aristocrats sometimes hunted with punt guns for sport, too. Holland & Holland made punt guns, to their usual high standard of fit and finish. Imagine the expense...
Same as my old Remington model 11 which I still have!
Don't shoot it!
Great video 👍
Your correct about the early versions being just an Remington auto loading rifle and they were devoid of any model designation. I had one a few years ago in 35 Rem with no model numbers and a good amount of wear. They catch decent prices now so I sold it off. Good luck on your waterfowling.
noticed in the intro, the last fired ejected cartridge, the case landed in the receiver. Funny.
When I first moved to this rural northwoods area in 1980, the local gun shop always had 2-3 model 8's or 81's in the used gun rack. At the time all I could think about was getting an HK-91 so they didn't interest me. Now I wish I had purchased one. 😮
I have always been a proponent of the auto5 humpback. We call it a flat back in my parts. I feel it sights so much quicker and more naturally for birds and clays so than a ramped forward reciever like an 870 or Mossberg.
FN in Belgian also made a version of this rifle. It's advertised in the 1911 German ALFA world export catalog.
Yep, the F.N. Model 1900. I have one!
@@barkerjames1980 Nice! ALFA catalog gives caliber as 9mm. Is that actually .35 Remington? What caliber is yours?
@@browngreen933 they're listed as the 9x49mm Browning, which is the European name for the .35 Remington, and is the only calibre they came in.
@@barkerjames1980 Thanks for verifying that!
@@browngreen933 no problem!
knew a fellow who had one in 35 Remington, went on a hunting trip to Wyoming, couldn’t hit anything so he had an 8 power scope attached 😳Poor fellow never would accept the fact that it was a brush gun.
.35 Rem is pretty comparable to .30-30. Pretty steep rainbow trajectory. You _can_ make hits at 200 yards but you'll be aiming pretty high. 100 yards is much more reasonable.
As you say, it's a brush gun, not a precision rifle. Attaching an 8-power scope is a bit silly.
The Model 8 was also available in .300 Savage. Now _that_ would let you reach out and touch things - although I imagine .300 Savage from a long-recoil action would beat your shoulder up pretty bad.
Hi Mike so nice to see you again!! I have one in a 35 .to make a 81 today it would cost probably over 3 thousand today. And metal to wood fit would be terrible!! Old guns were made so nice!! I'm curious how you feeling Mike ?? So nice to see you shoot one ? In next video! So nice to see you Mike once again!!! Thank you
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Hey Mike, It’s me again. Another fine educational and entertaining video. I’ve known about and been fascinated by the models 8 and 81 for many years but have never been able to obtain one. I’d have to have one of each with the 8 in 35 Remington and the 81 in 300 Savage. I’ve already got 35 Remington in a 336 Marlin and 300 Savage in a 99F so very familiar with both cartridges. I have collections of Remington model 11, 11-48 and 1100 shotguns. The 11 and 11-48 shotguns, which were Remington’s licensed versions of the Browning are subject to having collapsed magazine tube recoil/barrel return spring and collapsed main action spring which is located in the butt stocks of those shotguns. Those collapsed springs can make the recoil in those shotguns seem vicious. When they are corrected with new springs the recoil sensation is really not bad even in 12 or 16 gauge. I wonder if the big spring in the 8 and 81 could be suffering the same condition and causing the complaints about recoil. The 35 Remington is a mild recoils cartridge in lightweight lever action rifles and 300 Savage is usually a little lighter than 308 in any action rifle of the same weight. Just a thought. Happy hunting!
Good thoughts and thanks for sharing. Could be the springs. Also, since the barrel , spring, bolt etc... are in motion upon firing - the rifle is much lighter; when the barrel and recoiling parts reach the end of their travel they stop and "hit" the "lighter" rifle and hence the shooter. Just some thoughts.
Just to imagine the men who invented those rifle mechanisms , first they needed to have a great imagination to create something new, something that was not there before .
If I am not mistaken, Frank Hammer or one of his boys used a model 8 that fateful day that Bonnie and Clyde took their last breaths. And I think Clyde's "whip it gun" was a shortened auto 5 in one flavor or another. Actually I just looked and it was a shortened Remington Model 11 which is an auto 5 made by Rem.
And his was 20ga
When stuff made correctly in my opinion I rekon.
That's clear and the right way to think
Hello. Will you goingo to make movie about mauser M12 i M18?
Yes - both excellent. I made one on the M12 Tracker
I once came across what appeared to look like the Winchester that you have . it was in 22lr and the barrel has been modified into a suppressed bull barrel look. The owner claims that he uses it to shoot mice in his warehouse. He allowed me to shoot it and the only sound I could hear was the movement of the bolt.
Amazing - people come up with some remarkable things.
My Auto fives are works of art and I consider them to be the finest auto loader made. I would never take it in a duck boat. Duck hunting is better off with the crappiest shotguns LOL.
I wish I never got rid of mine
Ironically I'm going to try to buy a 81 in 300 savage tomorrow it's in a action
Can you do another video on the 30 Remington? I'm currently making 30 Rem brass out of 30-30 for a buddy in Alaska.
Who’s your buddy up here in Alaska? Me? Lol! I’m thinking about the 25 Remington if I get a chance on one!
I have an 81 from 1946 in .300 Savage which is probly the best caliber the 8 or 81 ever came out with. The round was so good that it became the .308 Winchester and in fact I make my .300 savage rounds from .308 military brass (so there is no .308 headstamp) shooting the gun? LOL.. it is like shooting a pogo stick IMO... accuracy is in the one inch range at 50 yards which is about as far as I want to shoot paper at with open sights. And yeah I have an auto 5 and set the rings for heavy loads but they still work ok with lighter loads.
The rifle that Frank Hamer killed Clyde Barrow with.
I would love a Molde 8/81, I just dont want it in 35 rem. Or 300 savage, or 30 rem, 25 rem, or whatever else it was chambered in.
Just give me one in 22-250, or 308, or 243, or 45-70 because why not?
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Remington model 8 in 35 Remington killed Bonnie and Clyde.
If there has not been edited to the gun laws over here since last i checked, since this June they are only for collector and ipsc/ reserve officers
Reason why is that they have handguard and was made for leo also with higher magazine capacity than 10 shots also
Win 1907 amd so ,they are still hunting legal
Other semis been banned also sadly, even .22s with abive 10 shot magazine ,like Ruger 10-22 many others, ,even tube fed ,
Sad for all .
Some rifles bought before the date can be had still,others is turnin or sell abroad, or edit status on to collector or match