Paarthurnax' speech about trust, 1080p
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- Paarthurnax' speech about trusting a Dovah
ATTENTION !!! TESV 5 SKYRIM SPOILERS BELOW !!!
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After signing the peace treaty in "Season Unending" Esbern tells you that Paarthurnax was one of the chief allies of Alduin during the ancient dragon war. He and Delphine insist that you kill Paarthurnax, as he cannot be trusted.
When you go up to the Throat of the World to speak with Paarthurnax, the following dialog unfolds.
Though Paarthurnax' speech is short, in my view these are some of the most remarkable words ever to be spoken in a computer game. - เกม
![Skyrim - Speaking to Paarthurnax on The Throat of the World [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SXkEGU7bJzA/mqdefault.jpg)
Though Paarthurnax's speech is short, in my view these are some of the most remarkable words ever to be spoken in a video game.
Moments like this made skyrim so real. Truly Impressive.
Paarthurnax is my favorite Skyrim character!
Why? Because it's Mario?
Tw1 nah paarthurnax isn’t a complete brick
goddamn right.
"I would not trust another Dovah." Odahviing in the background: ROAAAAAAAR.
LOL
"I crash into your wall ONCE, and you never let me forget it."
his feelings are hurt...
Triggered!
"I heard that!!!"
And here I am many years later, never knowing what happens if you kill him, because of this one conversation.
If you kill him, the Greybeards will try to kill you on-sight.
When you go back to the Blades, they'll send you on radiant quests to kill more dragons, and you have the option to turn certain companions into Blade members.
@@Alizudo I wouldn't try to kill someone if it results in people with plot armour thicker than pixar mothers attack you.
the graybeards will banish you and you will never be allowed back into high Hrothgar. the graybeards are one of the few ways to find a word wall that doesn't involve a courier or bumbling through another nordic ruin.
@@Alizudo you can actually recurit more blades just after you clear out sky haven temple and the best part is if you choose to ignore Delphine or esbern the blades you recruited wont tell you to go see them
Lore, over and over = "The Blades SERVE the Dragonborn."
Skyrim = "Do what we tell you or else we throw tantrum."
Mod for not killing P-diddy, thanks.
I mean, Delphine's little club are not OG Blades and it shows.
Lore, over and over = People who know the truth and stand up for the truth.
Skyrim = Liberalism
Enough said.
@@jtomally9681 what
@@jtomally9681 what
I wish we had more dialogue with Paarthurnax. I love talking to him and learning things from him
This was my most favorite speech in the entire game.
I'll never get over the fact that this dragon in particular shares his voice with Mario. :)
still better lip syncing than mass effect andromeda
Voiced by the incredible Charles Martinet. He also voices MARIO!
The very fact that his immediate response to a threat on his life, from a very real threat in the Dragonborn; is not to be upset or try to convince you to never kill him, but he instead sees the wisdom in his own destruction, counseling you on the merits of justice and mercy. That’s what made me decide to not kill him.
Sure, he does propose the argument for his own defense, “Is it better to be simply born good, or to resist your true nature and strive to not give in to dark temptation and the will to power and dominate others?”
But he never applies this to himself, or uses it to justify his actions, merely states the moral and ethical implication.
He more or less says, “If I am to be slain, so be it. Just make sure it is for the right reasons”
For that alone, Paarthrunax deserves to live, and a second chance. He’s spent tens of thousands of years on top of The Throat of the World, basically imprisoning himself, and simultaneously acting as a Warden for when Alduin would inevitably return.
Long are the times gone of development for truly beautiful games with just as beautiful stories.
its a me a paarthurnax
I often wish i could just spend the whole game chatting with partysnaxs. Like a mini light date sim in skyrim. Especially when it points out that he has nobody to talk to.
Awwwww, dovah/man just admitted trust issues lollllll, but it is for the entire race instead of him.
If I recall correctly, Delphine even says something along the lines of him being worse BECAUSE he betrayed Alduin, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. I was already too attached to him before she told me to kill him, but this was just the determining point. She can't even give a good reason to kill him.
You have that line on one side (probably the best line in the whole game), and on the other bitch delphine saying "paarthunax killed humans thousands of years ago, he needs to die"... Its a no-brainer
Paarthurnax talks to you as an equal. Delphine talks to you as a tool for her own means.
Holy shit yes!
The moment I needed to reload to kill that first dragon at kynesgrove again, because Delphine shot me through my throat while I was vampire lord, as soon as that dragon was slain, told me all I needed to know about Delphine. Don't trust her. She will kill you out of fear.
@@chrisironland7050 I mean, I'm pretty sure those are just game mechanics and the devs didn't think too hard about what would happen in these different scenarios, but it does make sense for her character. She acts out of paranoia and self-preservation (which may be justified, considering she's been on the run from the Thalmor for decades), seeing the Dragonborn as a chance to return to glory. Give Esbern credit, he's the Blade who wants to stop Alduin because it's the end of the world.
@@MuttonTheDragon I guess you're right. She does sound more desperate and relieved at the same time, like finding new hope or leader with renewed dragon blood powers. And since I went all Lord Dracula during brightest time of day, it would scare anybody :D
Or my mods made it happen. Yeah, it most def did, since brawls turn into deathmatches 1 out of 3 times.
Fax
"The will to power is in our blood. You feel it in yourself, do you not?"
*dovahkiin laughs nervously as he stuffs all his daedric artifacts in his pants*
My fork does 900 base damage (even without glitches), why would I rely on shitty artifacts such as Mehrunes' Razor? 2% chance to insta-kill my ass, my fork always one-shots most enemies
@@anonymousbloke1 😆
@@anonymousbloke1 What kind of Enchantments does it have?
@@verygeneric7065 None. It doesn't need any.
@@anonymousbloke1 Damn... As expected a mighty fork such as that doesn't need pathetic enchantments
It's amazing how naturally deep Charles' voice is for Paarthurnax considering how high pitched he is for Mario & crew. Dude's got range
He's got major skill.
Yeah I was talking about his Mario voice to a colleague. I wanted to see when he first started it and WTF Wikipedia taught me he was Paarthurnax!!
this fact hurts my brain lmao
the more you know
@@yrmosiit hurt my brain 8 years ago. 😂 I think about it often
Mama mia, its a me, Paarthurnax.
“Zin krif horvut se suleyk” -> “Honorably struggle against the allure of power”
So cool
Too good for a video-game.
What language was it ?
@@pandierik8346 Dovahzul, the language was created for the Elder Scrolls.
nerd. but thanks!
"I would not trust another Dovah." meanwhile Odahviing flies out from behind the monument like "Motherfucker I thought we was cool!?"
jmmvn8 you can hear a roar of rage from odahviing after that betrayal of trust.
jmmvn8 Don't trust dem new Dovahs over there!
"Top 10 anime betrayals"
I laughed too hard at this.
I wonder what the cusswords Are in their Language
At this point, Paarthurnax became an essential character for me.
Bruh I really want to know where that profile picture is from
@@titaniumcyanide9243 I think that's Maeve from Paladins.
@@ChadKakashi I thought so too
10/10
and the dovahkiin became a vampire just to live on the throat of the world to live with paarthurnax
“We were made to dominate. The will to POWER is in our blood.” These words, for me, explain why the Dovahkiin always becomes the leader of whatever faction they choose.
Oh... that's actually brilliant, as you are Camarade
>These words, for me, explain why the Dovahkiin always becomes the leader of whatever faction they choose.
>leader of whatever faction they choose.
>leader
What game are YOU playing? The closest you ever get is "lead step-n-fetch".
Now that i think about it... hm. It does answer alot of questions in the back of my head 🤔😳 wow
What I'd like to know is whether Talos actually became a Divine, or whether he was just a great man.
@@WaffleCake if you pray to him he cures ur diseases and gives u blessings. He's a god
'What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?' And I decided not to kill him.
You fucking monster
she said she decided NOT to kill him
Moonlapse Vertigo The moment he spoke this I realised who he really was. He totally earned my trust with that speech. I badly wanted to kill the blades for even telling me to kill paarthamaux.
Lord_Llama_God you read wrong XD
Yep, that sealed it: Fuck the Blades!
Paarthurnax: *obligitory speech about not trusting another dragon*
odahviing: I LOVE FLYING!!!!
Me: Mama Mia! Yippee!
lol i guess that dragon is the special one of the group
Paarthurnax: I wouldn't trust another dovah.
Odahviing: DUDE, YOU KNOW I CAN STILL HEAR YOU!!!
Yep
I do love flying
I mean, Odahviing didn't really have much to excuse, But he surely didn't want to be violated by the court wizard lol
"I would not trust another Dovah."
[Odahviing roars]
RCT3Crashes100 YOU TALKING SHIT ABOUT ME NAX ILL FUCKING DESTROY YOU COME ON POETRY BATTLE RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW
RCT3Crashes100
I honestly hate killing Dragons! They frigging awesome! Also hilarious, they start roaring as soon as they take their first flight, even though they can talk. They really deserve the word majestic thrown their way.
+Goob65 poetry battle, hell yess
Nah it's a nature for dragon to kill each sadly there's no female dragons that can pork -_-
@@TheGoob65 Odahviing: *imma debate you to oblivion*
Paarthurnax was literally created to spread evil and chaos. It was supposed to be his purpose and the reason for his existence. But he overcame his nature and went against his own kin for the good rest of the world. He changed himself.
Meanwhile the blades' intentions were noble but they were a pale shadow of what they used to be. They were created to protect the world from dragons. But they lost sight of their objective. They became dragon hunters and didn't realise that they didn't need to kill every dovah. So much so that they refused to help the dragonborn in his quest. This means that they cared more about their hatred of dragons and their biases than they did about the fate of the world.
And that's why in my opinion, paarthurnax is much better than the blades. He just wants peace. Blades want eradication of dragons and more than they want peace.
I actually liked the Blades back in Oblivion. They were on the right side, and I felt sorry for them over the loss of the Emperor (they really tried, but the Mythic Dawn outmaneuvered them). Here, in Skyrim...not so much. Perhaps a long period of time on the run, hiding from High Elf Gestapo, changes you for the worse.
In a line of dialogue from Esbern/Delphine when they talk about parthunaax, they mention how both the greybeard and the EMPEROR protected Parthunaax. So between some of the wisest and peaceful people in tamriel, and the leader of an Empire who's main goal is to aquire as much of tamriel as possible even through war, both deemed parthunaax worthy of being left alive
@@trisryan4161 And yet Delphine really thought she knew better than these people. That much fucking arrogance should have caused the entire game to hardcrash.
Paarthurnax did exactly what he was made to do, spread evil and chaos, as you say. Just not from the perspective of all races. He did well to overthrow Dragons and help Humans and Elves to end their tyranny. His words are true, never trust a Dovah. Kill them all or they will kill you. Few of them are good and helpful, but after their rolls are done and they can't help you in any other way, Dragonborn should kill them and absorb their Souls to prevent any future wars and disasters caused by Dragons. Last Dragonborn is meant to end the world of Dragons as is Alduin to end the world of Men and Mer.
@@Megasaurusify well he's right and wrong because like Paarthurnax said he did overcome his nature but his many warcrimes Were still unjustified, but that doesn't mean the blades intentions aren't good either, Their hatred for a long time ally to tamriel blinds them and basically breaks their oath to the dragonborn because he refuses to kill someone who's been much more helpful to you then the blades ever been
*Paarthunax meets you, trains you, tells you everything you need to know. He doesn't lie, and even in this speech flat out tells you that he more or less doesn't consider himself a dovah as others perceive, but the temptation is always there. He helps you meditate, gaining more power, but ultimately seeks to teach the dragonborn how to overcome the deep urges and lust for power*
*The blades make you jump through hoops, make you find their old fortress, and basically reform their order while they were unable to do so. They offer you very little, just help killing dragons, but expect you to kill a teacher and an ally for them to do so*
At the end of it, the choice is this. Choosing creation and wisdom that is born from destruction. Or choosing destruction that was born from wisdom. I never choose Blades, because it's very clear that whatever they were, and however good their intentions are, that is long gone and they only seek the bloodiest aspect of it.
What hoops? Everything they do in the main quest is in direct advancement of the cause of SAVING THE WORLD.
Bleak Falls Barrow: Vital information is hidden in a ruin. I'll get Farengar to find someone to get it for me.
Blade in the Dark: I need to know you're dragonborn and I need to know I'm right about where the dragons are coming from. Here's almost everything I've learned so far about the threat.
Diplomatic Immunity: From everything I know, this is my best guess as to who is behind it, and I'll get you the best opportunity I can to get in there safe.
A Cornered Rat: Well that was a bust but you uncovered a great new lead that is in IMMEDIATE MORTAL PERIL.
Alduin's Wall: Well we don't have everything we need to know, but we know where to find the missing pieces. We'll help you get to it.
Season Unending: Let's convince people to stop fighting and save the world.
Now compare the Greybeards.
The Horn of Jurgen Windcaller: We don't need the horn, really, but it's a learning experience to fight draugr.
The Throat of the World: You managed to learn things we already knew and didn't want you to know. We will never teach you words again, you have to find them in dungeons. Also go talk to a dragon.
Season Unending: We don't want to get involved. Maybe the end of the world is a good thing. But you asked nicely.
The Blades are proactive and purpose-driven, working with the best intelligence they have, which they share readily. The Greybeards and Paarthurnax create nothing, do nothing, and conceal more than they teach.
Do I think there's a purpose served in killing Paarthurnax? No. Do I think the Blades make better allies than Paarthurnax? Hell yes.
@@Ryvakenthe blades couldn't do shit without the dragonborn lets be real here
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle"hey, we need you to fight through this camp of people and bleed on a rock because we forgot the spare key to our old house..."
"Choosing creation and wisdom that is born from destruction. Or choosing destruction that was born from wisdom." nice words
@@Ryvaken delphine takes the horn from the tomb and then tells you "i needed to know it wasn't a thalmor trap." so you lead the thalmor to your secret base instead of meeting me somewhere else? like on windhelm capital of the rebels against the thalmor?
if you had just watched me grab the horn and absorb a soul gifted by Jurgen himself it would be proof enough that im dragonborn. but ok lets go see where this other dragon is gonna get raised.
delphine then SEES alduin raise a dragon and tells you "wE nEed To FiguRe OuT whO is RaIsiN tHe DrAgOns gO toThE thAlMor EmbAsSy" BITCH WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT WAS ALDUIN.
if we just stook with the greybeards and specifically asked to meet Paarthurnax because alduin the eater of worlds is alive Paarthurnax himself would have told you to get dragonrend and look for the elderscroll saving us A LOT of time.
ITSA-ME PAARTHURNAX!
Ah I see ur aware of them having the Same voice actor
They are the same? Hell no!
@@Ourspark34 look it up
@@Ourspark34Yes. Charles Martinet voices both Paarthurnax and Mario since the very first game. I've known this for years but my brain refuses to accept it as fact
I just want to sit up there, and talk with him, about everything. The world is a beautiful place and gift, and Paarthurnax shares this ideal.
+saurfan We'll speak in the tongue of the dovah! Debate about everything!
Actually he doesn't care about the world. He just thinks it doesn't deserve to be destroyed over and over by Alduin. But was willing to not do anything about it, if you remember correctly, you actually have to convince him to help you stop Alduin.
@@Ecliptor. that is also wrong once again, he just questioned why would the dragonborn want to stop him and then the dragonborn said that it's his destiny then he agreed to help, of course he was hesitant, because he was like a brother with Alduin before, and a very powerfull dragon... That's why the blades want Paarthurnax dead, it's his past actions. But of course he has overcome his evil nature through great effort, and he seeks to bring peace to the world, by teaching his ways to the dragons after the dragonborn "defeated" Alduin. There are times after it that some dragons clearly won't attack you, and they just fly by.
Though he might look like he doesn't care, but he does, he just doesn't want to take part in wars and other evil things he doesn't wish to take parts in. You can easily figure it out by speaking to him and the greybeards. So whatever the greybeards say or how they act, there is Paarthurnax's ways got to do with it too... How the greybeards won't just hop in war, and use the power they had learnt from Paarthurnax, which is extremely powerfull in the lore.... Yeah.....
Arn'viir Hunkrahmaar they all still attacked even after Alduin's defeat and I had to use "Bend Will" so they would stop. Especially if that was an Elder Dragon!
@@khoanguyen-wc8qz Not all dragons will be peacefull.
That was deep, Mario.
Thanks man
Ye hoo
@MythsQueue thanks peter griffin
@@ajshitshed yeah...i didn't know either xD
@MythsQueue bro youtube isn't the place for you xD
The best thing is: he is constantly talking both in Dovah and in human language, often translating what he is saying to the protagonist. So, basically, he wants us to understand the language, this way helping us to better control the Thu'um.
What a guy.
Edit: Holy Moly 1,2 thousand people liked my comment. First time that happened. Man, Paarthunax is a great character, his philosophical views on evil are the ones that i adopted. When a fictional video game character is better than many "philosophers" out there lol.
I saw it as him occasionally slipping into the dragon tongue almost by accident - a by product of him seeing the Dovahkiin as a fellow dragon, and so sometimes forgets that you’re actually a mortal who doesn’t fully understand the language.
@@benjaminkingsley-jones7832 both theories are valid I say
Could also be a thing about being multi-lingual. Sometimes i accidentally switch languages while talking and when i realize it i just switch back. Maybe it works on dragons the same way it works on people.
@@blackhoodie4170 The Dragonborn doesn't since when Alduin first talks to you he lectures you not knowing the language.
I like to think of it as the Dragonborn slowly being able to understand the language better
Imagine forgetting to give the player a way of ending this questline that DOESN'T involve murdering a draconic monk who's been repenting and meditating for literal millennia.
That’s kind of the whole point
The quests always appeared to be from the Dragonborn’s perspective, what you need to do next, as the Dragonborn
So, if you want to do this without killing Paarthurnax, you have to actively choose to resist the instincts of your dragon blood, you have to resist what you want to do
You have to resist killing Paarthurnax
Which is the exact same thing he has done with you and other humans, he’s trained himself to resist his dragon blood, to resist his instincts to kill
@@Yuti640 That’s an amazing point. You could beat the game, and have only this in your quest-list. Always beckoning, always tempting. Yet still, at the throat of the world, two dovah meditate together.
Doesn’t it disappear from your quest log if you don’t complete it by a certain point? I’m sure I’ve picked it up before, completed the main quest line completely, and then found nothing in the log.
@@matthewbibby8921 yeah, I think it disappears if you talk to Arngeir and say that you won't kill Paarthurnax
If you pick up the quest before killing Alduin, the quest vanishes when Alduin dies. I think it comes back if you talk to the blades again.
The demand that the Blades make to you shows that they do not understand what you are. Even Esbern, a scholar who understands more about the ancient history of the dragons and Dragonborn than just pretty much any human alive (aside from Miraak, of course) doesn't understand your nature. To Delphine you are simply a weapon, a blade to be pointed at dragons. She claims that the Blades serve the Dragonborn, but she doesn't actually believe it.
To be a Dovahkiin is to truly have the soul of a dragon. To be Dovahkiin is to have the same will to dominate that all dragons have. The Dragonborn must struggle with his or her nature just as Paarthurnax has, as the dragon points out. In game you can resist or give in as you see fit, but the struggle is there regardless.
A wolf isn't blamed for obeying its nature. That doesn't mean you will let it attack your flock of sheep, but it is only doing what it was made to do. Dragons are only doing what they were made to do, and long ago Paarthurnax was no different. But now he IS different. He has struggled for thousands of years against his nature, he has become something better. He taught humanity the Way of the Voice, helping them to fight back against his own kind. He teaches the Dragonborn what is necessary to battle Alduin and save the world *and* the souls of mortals after they die.
And the Blades want you to kill him? Fuck that. I fus ro dahed Delphine and Esbern off a cliff and walked away, never to return. Let the Blades fade into history while I go talk with my dragon buddy.
Evil Otto I shut them both with a mod and paarthanaux is alive and well. Wish I could've killed them both and ended the blades then and there.
Ahh the Blades. Possibly Tamriels biggest failures. First failing the Emperor then breaking their oath as the Dragonborns servants
Delphine was using the Dragonborn from the moment they met. She ONLY made a move because the Dragons returned. The Thalmor only looked for Esbern more because they thought he knew things about them. She manipulated things from day one, such as stealing the horn of Jurgan Windcaller knowing the Dragonborn would have to come and get it.
Had the Dragons not reappeared when they did, she would've just simply stayed in hiding, probably til the day she died, Esbern might've been found and killed by the Thalmor possibly, and the Blades would've ended with them.
It was only pure coincidence (at least in-universe that is) that things ended up working out for her at all. Dragons came back, as did a Dragonborn appearing with them, and from that she had her excuse to come out of hiding and strike back against the Thalmor. She had a Dragonborn at beck and call because she had things the Dragonborn needed, was able to set up a new base of operations, and declare herself the 'acting' Grandmaster of the reformed Blades.
So by the end, by having the Dragonborn do all the hard work, she has essentially everything she wanted again without having to do anything all that difficult really. And so she has the utter GALL to order...ORDER the Dragonborn, the one person she is meant to be obeying, to kill Paarthurnax, merely because as 'dragon slayers' they and the Dragonborn should kill any and all dragons and all while cowardly hiding behind something so simply as saying that their 'oaths' as Blades now prevent them from helping the Dragonborn (also note that this little 'order' doesn't apply to Odahviing).
As Arngeir says, "Bloodthirsty barbarians."
I never killed the blades, mainly because that would still be giving into the dragon nature to dominate
You already feel to dominate something. I mean you become the leader of every guild. the Companions, the Thieves Guild, the College of Winterhold and the Dark Brotherhood. It's no coincidence that you become the head master all the sudden. You have the dragon's soul, meaning you'll be in control of something. Hack I wouldn't be surprised if the last Dragonborn becomes High King of Skyrim. Look at Talos, he ruled all Tamriel and he is Dragonborn. For better or for worse. Most of the Emperors of the Empire has dragon's blood, willing to rule and dominate because it's in their nature till the last one died during the Oblivion crisis. Not saying you'll become bad, I mean look at Talos. Even the will to dominate and rule, he wanted to unite all Tamriel as one for a good thing. Not all dragons are bad and yet the Blades stupidity wants to kill them all and for what? They be no better then the damn Thalmor!
If the Blades knew this, they eventually will kill you after you done all the dirty work for them.
"what is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Dude I was reading the comments and right as I got to ur post paarthernax said what u said and I burst out laughing:)
Tristyn Ollive Lol same exact thing happend to me haha!
SAME
Even the Bible has a similar lesson written in it.
What is better? Why does it matter which is "better"? Good is being done either way and this is not a competition. Indeed, each perspective/personality can learn from the other.
"I would not trust another dovah."
"I HEARD THAT!"
“ *heard you was talkin shit* “
@@Redelmopaint " Yol Toor Shul! "
DB:"QUIET!"
odavhing:"yes master..."
P:" and THAT right there is why I have trouble trusting dova give it enough of a spanking and it's loyalty shifts on a dime..."
"I know, that is why I said it."
"WELL SCREW YOU!!"
Paarthurnax is so chill that he isn’t even mad that the blades want to kill him and completely understands their point of view. But delphine is just like “dRaGoN bAd”
UGA UGA BAD DRAGON UGA UGA
Even after so much help when he realizes that blades want to murder him, he does not manipulate you or even tries to turn you against the blades. He just says what he has to say while confessing his crimes before leaving the decision in your hands....and thats when i fus'ro'dah'ed dephine off the cliff.
i like your username ya akhi
Is this where I point out that after talking to him you decided to trust him and turn against the Blades based on nothing more than the words from his mouth?
@@Ryvaken i mean if you kill him then you are trusting the blades based on nothing but what they say. Dephine says he has done so many infamous crimes that they are remembered for thousunds of years but they doesn't say what these crimes are and delphine and esbern seem the be the only ones who do remember it. And as par says what is better: to be born good or to overcome one's eveil nature through great effort
@@Ryvaken No, I refused to continue helping the Blades due to them constantly treating me like their fetch dog and ordering me about while delivering ultimatums despite the fact that they were only created to serve the Dragonborn and not the other way around. If you like being treated like their pet they let loose to vanquish their enemies then good for you. Also, the words from his mouth can literally alter creation any time he sees fit, but he never chooses to do so.
@@Ryvakenright haha xD he just did that because he didnt like her all along probably.
"what is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Mario
Who is mario
@@Filip-xu2fp hold up
@@namesareoldschool4533 : yeah shock right ?
@@namesareoldschool4533 would be epic if Alduin was voiced by Luigi
@@mfwiloseintouhoubossfights9305 Mario and Luigi have the same voice actor. Good joke tho
It's a rare achievement for a game to make you emotionally attached to a character to the point of causing a moral dilemma over whether or not they deserve to die.
Skyrim delivered that perfectly with Paarthurnax.
It's not a dilemma, and anyone who kills him proves that they can not be trusted to hold loyalty to those who help them
@@seandunbar7364 Especially when the order comes from delphine which... well we do not have to elaborate on her character as you can write a novel about the bad sides of her personality
@@Hellskelett What did Orgnar do to deserve her wrath? Can a man not be quiet without having potatoes in his ears?
@@RorikH Imagine a lady coming in your inn and wanting to build a secret room behind a closet... everyone would laugh at her but not Orgnar. Orgnar isn't the hero we deserved, if the world would have more Orgnars, war would never be necessary.
@@nyestember doubt
Paarthanax lives should be canon and become a recurring character
"Warrior of Hammerfell, You've come to seek knowledge of the Dovah. Krosis. I have the knowledge you seek, but it will come at a great cost"
That would be epic
@@CleopatraKing "I need you to retrieve the cuirass of an old friend, the last Dragonborn"
Delphine should be recurring too. In the next game, you should be able to find her... in the Soul Cairn.
considering he teaches other dragons the way of the voice after alduins death, i feel that dragons should be a nonhostile npc you can find on mountain tops and you can learn powers and stuff from them in es6
With those words Paarthurnax earned my eternal respect. I would never lift a sword or other weapon against him.
I refused to kill him simply because he’s Mario!
I would only bear arms to protect him.
1. *saves the game first*
2. proceeds to kill
3. regrets killing him
4. respawn from last save point.
More Beta That's what I did xD, because I didn't know there was an option not to kill him, then I looked it up and was like "Oh crap, I'm sorry buddy, I'll bring you back to life D=" *boops load button.*
Tony Orbeta That's what I do before taking a major decision.
I use load's for illusions in my roleplay. Once my character saw she burned down all whiterun ( while i really did kill everyone ) Then loaded back to stand still and watched people walking. Its perfct for rp.
What's the point on reloading to a time before killing him, if you can't escape from regret and guilty that will consume your soul by the choice you made just for power? There is no mercy for those who seek comfort in the power of undo what have been done, for you and all who did kill Paarthurnax have no way from escaping from the memories that resides in the depths of your soul.
Thank God Flowey isn’t in this game.
Fuck the Blades. Killing Paarthunax shows how little faith some people have in each other when it comes to overcoming bad habits. I'd say Paarthunax is more trustworthy than most humanoids in Skyrim, let alone other dragon companions. Especially because he still displays a will to better himself.
@Divalvaro i feel if Esbern was the only one he'd be open to talking to Partysnaxx and settling it peacefully.but nooo this blond breton bitch HAS to be the new grandmaster of the faction MEANT TO SERVE THE WILL OF A FUCKUNG DRAGON
@@ceasefire2825 blonde Brenton bitch 🤣
The alliteration killed me.
I'd sooner trust Durnehviir before I trust BelleDelphine
@@paulmwendamberi755 same. Durneviir is actually pretty chill.
In skyrim you can walk up to esbern the most paranoid fool in the land of paranoid fools, and say youre dragon born and wont even challenge you. You dont have to say "Night of whatever the fuck that delphine said" just be like "yo im dragon born" and he'll trust you, but cant trust a dragon that hasnt killed another person since betraying Alduin in the mythic era. Fuck off blades
The fact that Paarthurnax is voiced by good ol' Charles Martinet, the voice behind one of my favorite childhood icons, Mario, furthers my reasoning behind not killing him.
Holy crap really?! He sounds nothing like him
@@pooler57 yeah there's like a 10 sec video of him doing the voice for a fan.
So that's why people keep making the Mario comments, TIL
Plus Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi.
To be honest, same here.
Paarthurnax: I would not trust another dovah.
Odahviig: COME ON DUDE, I ONLY BROKE THE ONE VASE!
It's a me, Paarthurnax!
To me this whole quest was a debate about the concept of redemption in general, as such I in good conscience can never bring myself to kill him. Killing Paarthurnax in my view doesn't just say that the Dragons as a whole are incapable of redemption, and thus should all be killed, but also says that redemption as a whole is impossible. If the most vile and monstrous are incapable of redemption what does that say about the rest of us?
Even the most evil person is capable of goodness, and even the most good person is capable of evil. People like to believe their own lies, and stuff away the parts about themselves they don't like. But that is precisely how they sneak up on you, and why Paarthurnax had to mediate for centuries on a mountain to come to grips with it. If it were easy, people wouldn't spend their whole lives having to chase it.
in Buddhism "even demons can find enlightenment"
Don't know if this is relevant or not, but a big part of Christianity says that one's deeds do not matter. The only way into heaven is through the J Man.
Of course, you still need to make up for any evils you committed, but my point still stands.
So, if we're going by the bible, the Mario Dragon is right. It WOULD be better to seek redemption than to simply know no evil. Because nobody is born good. Rather we learn to overcome our sins.
@@micahlindley7515 Beautifully put!
@@micahlindley7515 Indeed, this is the truth of the matter. Sure one must wholeheartedly repent but as you said, God does not care of your deeds nor works. Merely your belief and what IT means, if it is genuine or not and if you are willing to live by his rules over those of man (Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, give unto God that which is God's) then you are on the right track.
"He who reigns within himself and rules passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
This is the only time an NPC made a successful speech check against me
M.... Mario?
Odahviing in the background roaring and flying around just after Paarthurnax says he wouldn't trust another dovah.
To me, that was Odahviing hearing Paarthurnax and agreeing with him. Odahviing only obeys the Dragonborn because we beat the shit out of him and proved that we could do it again. He listens out of self preservation, not loyalty. If he were ever to gain the strength to challenge the Dragonborn, he would no longer have a reason to obey. Which is why it'd be wise not to trust him. Wise not to trust a dovah. But for now, and for any time in the near future, that doesnt seem likely to happen which is why you shouldn't mistrust one either. Because that leaves an opening for growth, for power. Odahviing is not Paarthurnax, he still embraces his will to dominate, and is able to achieve it through serving the Dragonborn, or fighting them.
the dragon in the background is like "BULLSHIIIIIIIIIT!!!!"
"I have overcome my nature only through fire power and long study of the Mushroom Kingdom."
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Charles Martinet.
1:07 still really sticks with me
that line is fucking amazing
it's better to be born good!!!!!!
only the one who tries to overcome your evil nature knows the suffering that is it. Be born good it's better, always. But if it does not happens, you have a second choice.
Simple like that.
But a person born good can be more easily tempted to evil because they haven't experienced the conequences of it. If you've overcome your evil nature, you'll be more compelled to stay reformed so your effort isn't for nothing.
Lucas Kazama the whole point of the quote, is that the latter is more admirable.
A person who is "born good", are simply ruled by their instinct to be good.. It's not a concious effort.
While overcoming your "evil nature" is an actual achievement and takes alot of self-awareness and intelligence.
The effort of making you a better version of yourself.
Parthurnaax also has the advantage of seeing both sides. Which makes him a powerful enemy against that evil.
And arguably has a way better understanding of what it actually means to be "good"
@@zhiracs It are your Parents, Circumstances, Area, and especially your will, what will happen to you. They are People, They faced her whole life shit, and dirt, going self, but are strong, and fighting for their good!
What is better- Completing a game to 100% by finishing every quest you get, or to overcome your completionist nature in defiance of bad writing?
After I talked to Paarthurnax and he gave me this speech I made my decision to protect him and killed the blades.
You can kill them?
Fools are fine honey
I'm not 100% sure but I think you can after the main questline is finished.
Must... Protect... Paarthurnax...
@@Fools_are_fine_honey open console, click Delphine, learn her id, then type this "setessential (her id here) 0". Now she is mortal, and i have never enjoyed anything else more than killing her...
@@kemalferhatoglu2284 **me with console, unable to access cheat codes** wise decision, friend.
His voice is just awesome.
Well, he is Super Mario, so it's not a coincidence.
For those interested...I've managed to acquire a translation of Paarthurnax's epic quote...
Fos los pruz? Wah kos kiin pruzah, uv wah nahmul hin vokul lund zeim lot grav?
Kaido Vesternin Just realised what you meant...the original version is "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"...the translation is the original comment...
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Byakuya Kuchiki oh, ok.
And this is why Charles should've voiced Mario in the movie. He has the range
This is voice Bowser would have: deep and powerful. Every word has purpose.
There was this beautiful fanart on the internet someone drew of the Dragonborn hugging Paathur's nose. And with this powerful speech, I cant bring myself to kill him...
Link?
bit of a necro but i cam across you comment and just had to look for this pic.... i.redd.it/0nqc3z2t0qb61.jpg
Paarthurnax: I would not trust another dovah
Odahviing: roar!
You're hurting his feelings Paarthurnax!
*_And that's when i decided to live on the mountain with Paarthunax._*
Yes dohvamonk is best boy
HOW IS THIS MARIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The voice actor of Paarthunax, Charles Martine, was the one who did the voice for Mario.
+StringStorm And IS still doing so ^^
Wait WHAT!?
(Google search for more info)
Mama-Mia!
Pingusus no one with a heart would kill paarthunax
Same voice actor
the blades are arrogant, and not even close to the power the Dovahkiin has. And Paarthurnax is cool and has an epic voice so protect him. Kill the blades if necessary.
You can kill the blades? I thought they were unkillable characters like most quest givers.
I killed Paarthurnax because my character hungered for power and The Way of the Voice held him back! So I sided with The Blades. If I was given the choice, not my character, I would have not killed him.
Snoop Doge We always have a choice. It's all a matter of what we choose.
@@LoadedEmu97 ok so it was for roll play purposes that's understandable have a nice day
Plus siding with The Blades only offers a radiant quest to kill Dragons in a game where Dragons will run into you after every other dungeon crawl.
I love it that as soon as Paarthurnax says, "I would not trust another dovah," a dragon roars behind him. Coincidence? I think not.
I'm sure the other Dragon is all like "U WOT M8!?!" in the background.
Odahwiing in the background: That hurt m8 !
Paathurnax: I would not trust another dovah.
Odaviing: well fuck you too old man
Paathurnax: you wanna pick a fight kid then bring it on you sorry excuse of a dragon
@@werty21100 Odaviing is more powerful than Paarthurnax
@@darthkenobi6726 Proof?
"I would not trust another dovah"
*dragon flies past*
*ROOOOAAAARRRRR*
Parthuunax is beyond fiction. I use his words as motivation in my daily life. The nature quote still lingers in my head today and it’s made me a better person overall. This is after 10 years, and I’m an adult now.
That is what happens when a fictional character paraphrases the Bible. "There is no one righteous, not even one, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." We all have an evil nature, no one is born good, and no one achieves good. That doesn't make the struggle to be better meaningless.
What does Paarthurnax achieve, though? Sitting on a mountain contemplating the sky isn't good, it's laziness.
@@Ryvaken
I imagine if God does become a character in Hazbin Hotel he needs to be a dragon with similarities to Paarthurnax with a similar voice but his own unique design.
Charles Martinet is one of my favorite VAs ever. To be able to act like this, and giving to characters like Mario and Luigi such defined personalities just through short sentences and expressions all the same is nothing short of genius.
Damn, I'm sure even the blades would be swayed by that masterpiece of a speech. The dragon born should have brought Delphine to hear those words of wisdom.
Paarthunax for prez 2020.
It kinda sucks stuff like that can’t happen....
He'd probably do pretty good.
yessir
All that Delphine would say to him is 'we have nothing to talk about until you're dead.'
Paarthunax for president
And to that I can't help but say: "What is better? To trust someone because you believe on them, or because you want to believe in them with all your heart, despite any lingering doubt?". Seriously, that resumes how I feel about Paarthurnax.
That is very profound.
The fact that he specifically tells you, "hey, this is what I'm born of, and I could snap any day," tells us that, even after millennia, Paary has not reached inner peace. He must fight against himself and could fail any time.
But the fact he hasn't for this long shows that, while that threat is always present, Paar's mental fortitude and self-discipline will eventually win.
There's a reason why the Graybeards are so immensely protective with him.
Itsa me Paarthurnax
What Charles is known for
Paarthurnax-70%
SUPER Mario-100%
easily the best character in the game, I wish he was used for more stuff, but probably paying for mario's voice actor would be too much for that
no I don't know bout you, but when Odahvinng got caught and Farengar(100% sure I spelled his name completely wrong) started asking him questions I thought "This guy needs to go talk to Paarthurnax"
I wish Paarthurnax was a follower. Have your bro and mentor saunter around Skyrim with you while you kick the Blades' ass and might even have the ability to turn the remaining dovah to your side.
Douglas Murphy well, he is a LV10 Dragon... he is not fitting for fighting, not anymore at least. And it would be against the Way of the Voice, as he should only use it when necessary, for peace, or something like that :v
Douglas Murphy I like Durneviir...
(I probably spelt that wrong)
What is better: to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?
It is better to be born good. However, it is more commendable to overcome an evil nature-that is the greater accomplishment.
Lucid::Dream no one is born good. They are born neutral with no influence or experience to shape their own psyche. We are basically all born into evil.
Someone born good is helpless. They don't have the teeth necessary to fight back when needed. They aren't 'good' they're just incapable of being harmful. More information on the psychology of Paarthurnax's question can be found in the Collected Works of C.G. Jung, Volume 9: Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious.
someone born good doesn't overcome any qualm nor undergo any philosophical pontification needed to grow or evolve as an individual. Therefore they've done nothing to truly be good, simply being good by nature is no true value or meaning, it is the decision to be good despite one's nature that truly is a sign of goodness because it requires recognizing the virtue of goodness itself.
What is better? Why does it matter which is "better"? Good is being done either way and this is not a competition. Indeed, each perspective/personality can learn from the other.
@@Nikotheleepic Sorry, but that's horsecrap. A truly good person doesn't care if someone is inherently kind or if they work to be kind; society/the world/the universe/etc benefits either way. This isn't a competition.
God I could listen to him speak for hours
It’s a me! Paarthurnax! (Same va by the way)
I always thought that overcoming your evil nature was the best choice as you learn and gain knowledge from past mistakes and atrocities you committed, it may weaken your bond of trust with others but in the end you do gain intelligence and awareness, and possibly heal those weak and shattered bonds.
I still can't believe this is Mario's voice too.
"We were made to dominate."
That's my kink
dovahkiin is a dom confirmed
Domvakhiin
Could you imagine the Conversation paarthurnax and Iroh ( avatar the last air bender) would have.
This speech is exactly why Paarthurnax is the best, he knows he’s done wrong and he understands and expects the distrust and hate directed towards him
It's a me Paarthurnax!
The best philosophic phrase in TES
i stg if the rest of the game was like paarthurnax’s dialogue this would be the best ES game, hands-down.
"It's-a me, Partysnaxx"
He's by far my most favorite character to talk to.
God the youthful boy in me got so giddy when I first met him
Uh, you ok there Mario? You seem to have turned into a giant dragon!
Paarthurnax (A.K.A Draconic Mario:)I would not trust another dovah
Me:But i trust odah he's good
Odah in da background:GOD DAMN IT BIG BRO I'M NOT EVIL!!!
For some reason I thought you said (A.K.A. Draco Malfoy:) at first 😂
I like to call him dovha monk
Paarthurnax is one of my favorite characters in Skyrim. He shows that things such as love, trust and kindness are possible even among dragons.
Paarthurnax makes a really good point at the end.
Everyone can be born good, everyone can be born an absolute saint and be seen as a Good Samaritan; but take a look at Superman after what The Joker did to him in the Injustice games, all it took was for the prince of crime to make him lose control and Superman became a dictator, thus shattering the Justice League and causing the world’s finest to start going for each other’s throats.
It’s like the old saying goes, “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”.
And what pisses me off is that despite Paarthurnax overcoming his inborn nature, the Blades still wanted him dead. I mean sure he wasn’t the best dragon and they were wise not to trust him or any dragon, but they forget that he helped mortals overthrow Alduin, meaning they shouldn’t still call for his death.
...that’s just my two cents
But it can also mean that Superman nature was that of an all-powerful tyrant, that a loving-family, strict eductation and fullfilling adult life had contained into a good person and caring hero.
@@TheFiresloth Although we don’t talk about Injustice’s Superman.
Nobody is born good. Everyone, including kids, has a propensity for evil which shouldn't be underestimated. So I say it is better to overcome your evil nature through struggle
Thank you Charles! Have a happy retirement.
Some days ago I've heard this for the first time in my gameplay, after reading, hearing and listening for the same saying for almost 10 years
I've never cried by a video-game, but that night I've cried like never before
Uncle Phil, Uncle Iroh, and Paarthurnax are great inspirations.
Can you believe they picked Chris Pratt for the Mario movie when Charles Martinet has this kind of range? lmfao
Keep in mind this is the same voice actor as super mario
If Illumination casts Charles Martinet as Mario and Luigi (which they should), think he can also voice Bowser using his Paarthurnax voice?