I wish this questline had more options: 1. Lie about killing Paarthunax. (Not like they're ever getting up there to check.) 2. Remind them that they work for you, not the other way around. 3. Have Delphine follow you to "Paarthunax's body"... located at the sacrifice pole at the Shrine of Boethiah.
the parthunarx dilemma mod allows you to avoid it by telling the blades they serve the Dragonborn not the other way around you even can speak in the dragontongue causing the ground to shake like when the greybeards summoned you
I loved Skyrim but it was just bland, what was i expecting from Bethesda. I'm still pissed at the fact that murdering the emperor had zero consequences
@@phatlewt2932 yep i agree there were so many small things that could have been easily fixed but i mean bethesda really just went and did nothing to make it better now its more like a joke than a game unless you have mods installed
you can actually do all of them and get all the related stuff before they ask you to do this too. So you really don't get anything out of it as long as you time the quests before a couple things.
Meanwhile the Greybeards find you new words of power from time to time and some of them involve having to kill dragons anyway. Party Snax also powers up your Unrelenting Force, Fire Breath, or Become Ethereal Shouts.
@@revanchistofnumenorThe Blades let you recruit three followers that you can dragons with, lead you to dragons increasing your dragon souls, give you a permanent melee boost and a temporary crit boost against dragons, you can keep Paarthurnax’s shout boost after he dies, and you can easily find words of power by shouting in town. They have more tangible benefits and are just way more fun to play with. I understand why people hate the Blades but from a gameplay perspective they are the superior option, sorry. Also Paarthurnax isn’t a saint either.
The other Greybeards not even acknowledging you anymore as the Dovahkiin after you slay Paarthunax is pretty powerful. Sometimes, saying nothing says everything!!
Their logical reasoning is probably the as to why they normally only reply to the player by stating "Dovakiin" in a voice that can be felt across the building, if they speak too much in dovah, they might unintentionally do harm, to themselves and the whole place even in the case of them losing their respect for the player for doing that
@@A.O.0 The issue is their great hypocrisy. They view him as inherently evil and deserving of death on account of what he did eons ago, yet view Tiber Septim as an irresolute hero in spite of him being essentially the same as Paarthrunax aside from the human body. Paarthurnax dominated and committed crimes against people, yes, but so did Tiber Septim when he was forging the Empire. In the end, the decision to kill Paarthurnax rests with me and I will not kill him.
Delphine: We have nothing to talk about until Paarthurnax is dead. Me, having The Paarthurnax Dilemma installed as a must-have mod: *You just lost your kneecap privileges.*
@@Zerberos22 I don’t have a problem with Esbern personally. I have more of a problem with that bitch, Delphine. My sister just started playing the game and when I saw Delphine in Dragonsreach talking to Farengar, I yelled “BITCH!” at my sister’s screen. I told my sister that she’s going to hate that woman.
The blades can end up being of great aid in the upcoming Second Great War. It's better to rebuild them and then give the finger to Delphine and Esbern.
Blades: Kill Partysnacks and you can be an official member Dragonborn: But all you guys did was put me in life threating situations... Which is worse then putting most people in life threating situations because I'm the only one that can kill Alduin Blades: Yeah but like... You can chill here in this sick temple! Dragonborn: That I unlocked with *my* blood
@@noahjahnsen7841 I suggest killable Delphine mod. Kill her, soul trap her, enchant some regular shoes (she's not worth a piece of armour) then walk your ass up to Partysnacks so she can *Feel* what betrayal feels like
@@ezra2701 If you don't finish the war quest line before you try and trap odaviin you can call a truce meeting between the stone cloaks and the empire, Dephine and Esbern will be there, after the meeting is resolved everyone will exit Highrothgar this gives you a window of time to Fus Ro Dah Dephine off of Highrothgar as she loses her important character status after the meeting ends and you can kill her and Esbern.
@@noahjahnsen7841 wait Hol up, i didn't know that??? I've done Season Unending a billion times and usually I brew up a really strong paralysis poison (thank you Bethesda bugs) and just slip it in her pocket
Delphine: paarthurnax helped but we don't need him anymore you know what must done. Me: No the main quest is complete and you lost your essential status do you know what happens.
@@lumpofmeatsack2013 Lost essential status? with pc console commands, you mean?.. because I play on ps3 and 4, and every time I complete Dragonslayer I always return to Sky Haven Temple only to loot the armory 😁 then give swords and armors to followers or housecarls 😎
@@NezomShark their?..far more delphine's than Esbern's.. It's HE who "decodes" Alduin's wall, HE who sets straight Delphine (!) Tullius and Ulfric in front of the Greybeards during Season Unending, HE who teaches the Shout to call Odahviing 😜😏 What the fu..srodah is DELPHINE doing!? Apart from convincing herself that the THALMOR are the ones who resurrect the dragons...and behaving arrogantly all the time
Their fuck ups cause the Oblivion crisis and the Great War. They also played no major role during the war letting the army do all the heavy lifting. Meanwhile Skyrim is pushing us real hard to like those dorks. On the other hand Penitus Oculatus have been stationed in Skyrim for a few years and managed to locate the dark brotherhoods hideout which no one could do for friggin centuries.
Party Snax is the best NPC in the game. That's why I downloaded a mod that allows me to remind Delphine that she is NOT Grandmaster of the Blades, that she's a just a lackey pretending to be an innkeeper. She has no authority, especially since without the Dragonborn, their is no Blades.
Delphine/Esbern: The Blades have always served the Dragonborn, the greatest dragonslayer Also Delphine/Esbern: Be our little errand boy for the entire questline, and if you don’t kill a dragon that helped you kill Alduin, we’ll never talk to you again
Yea it's stuff like this that doesn't make me regret that the Thalmor obliterated the Blades. And let's be honest here... The Blades were terrible bodyguards of the Septims anyway.
I don't remember where, but I discovered that in the past they underestimated first the power of the Tsaesci of akavir then that of the THALMOR on the eve of the Great War
They also went off and did their own thing later regardless of what the imperial government wanted after the death of the Uriel Septim. The Penitus Occulatis is better because they actually have authorities they need to answer too.
@@typicaljaguar9155 I mean it's not like he's the nerevar or the LDB he's literally just a dude that closed some oblivion gates he definitely could've beat the emperor to death he's practically a hobo
Skyrim players will literally kill dozens of innocent people just to get some shiny Daedra trinket. Then get mad when Blades ask you to kill a self awared evil natured Dragon, responsible for many human lives in the past, who himself admits he might be lost and become evil again. The fact that there are even mods to avoid this quest is crazy 🤣🤣
Mod free solution: use alchemy and restoration loop to create a potion of fortify enchantment that is ridiculously strong. Drink the potion and create a weapon with the paralyze enchantment and use it on Delpine! In my game, she is paralyzed with an enchantment that will last 5 years so she is effectively dead.
Alternatively you can create a potion w the enchanted loop that creates a fortify alchemy armor piece that allows you to create paralytic poisons that poison people basically forever.
@@LuminousWhispers11that's not enough. After her death use necromancy for she to serve the dragonborn and take her to the throat of the world, to Paarthurnax, than drop her from mountain. She will became ashes on the mountain, where sits dragon she that want to die
The hypocrisy of these Blades astounds me! I swore the oath they speak of in Oblivion, the one that binds them to the service of the Dragonborn, and know that they are violating that oath by refusing to help me, not by my refusal to slay Paarthurnax! Paarthurnax is the only reason why humanity is not still in thrall to the dragons and still they demand his death for acts committed far beyond living memory!
@@dreszerg6837 What's wrong with being a Stormcloack? Skyrim can be a sovereign land and fight alongside Cyrodiil as an equal, rather than as a vassal. Cyrodiil has a history of colonizing lands and then abandoning them when it's inconvenient.
For me Paarthurnax it's just the most intelligent Npc and ones you can see his existence is highly important, he admit he did bad things but hes seeking redemption training people (Greybeards), and killing him is like you burn Alexandria's Library
You should always spare Partysnaks, but the library of Alexandria analogy doesn't make any sense. The library was place with untold amounts of knowledge open to many people, where as not even the greybeards really ever get anything history from him just the wisdom he gained from living through it.
it might not be a canonical option, but sometimes i wonder what their plan was if the dragonborn _did_ just full-stop say no. it's not like they're getting past the greybeards, and even if the idea was just, like, wait until their organization had the strength to take down our beloved partysnacks, how the hell would that be happening when they're totally reliant on the ldb for new members? the only bargaining chip they have over you is an unfinished quest marker, it's bonkers.
Here's a little trick I learned if you set up the peace treaty between the stormcloaks and the empire you can keep dodging them saying "there's one more thing we know about paarthurnax" you can shout them both off the mountain so you don't have to kill him because you didn't start the quest
I thu'um her butt off High Hrothgar every time. I leave Esburn alone. He seem more reasonable of the two, because he understands that you, as Dragonborn, have a dragon spirit, thus technicality a dragon yourself. Asking you to kill your own kind is asking a lot from you.
Just beat alduin and it goes away by itself. You also get a dragons salute, guards saying you're awesome and thanks for killing a great evil, your bard will serenade you in your house about you defeating alduin.
What makes me laugh is their hypocrisy in thinking they, the ones meant to SERVE said Dragonborn, think they can order around a Godslaying Figure from Nordic legend like it’s nobody’s business, when they are completely at said figure’s mercy. Makes no sense and ruins my immersion. That’s what makes me laugh.
Well to be fair they have their rights to choose who they serve.. so does the dragonborn to choose who to fight with. Nothing to feel bad about if u choose to let paarthunax lived. In fact it is a tactical move to leave the Blades hanging because if Paarthunax ever turn bad we know we still got the Blades to back us. At the same time we give Paarthunax a chance to turn over a new leaf and maybe in the long run, the Blade would learn to put aside their hatred for dragon.
@@wolves600 That's true but they also did swore oath to kill all dragon too which is the reason for them to swear to assist the dragonborn.. I think its something like 1st rule vs 2nd rule thing.
Two lines of dialogue. That's your "reward" for betraying the one being thanks to whom victory was in the realm of possibility in the first place, who tried to atone for his sins, and murdering him in cold blood. Two. Goddamn. Lines. Of. Dialogue.
Except it wasn't in cold blood. There was a perfectly understandably and just reason for hunting him down. And since when does atonement mean one can escape all repercussions for past misdeeds? It helps, sure, but to just ignore the sheer gravity of what this dragon has done simply because he claims to have atoned is just peculiar.
@@danielread5854 He did his deeds centuries before anyone involved in the current dilemma were even born, while living under the tyranny of a literal god that could eat souls. He risked his soul to save humanity, and even helped save humanity again when the same literal bringer of the apocalypse came back. He's served is sentence 10X over.
@Daniel Read Teaching man the Thu''um and trusted by the goddess Kyne, isolated on a mountain for centuries, and willingly helps the Dragonborn defeat Alduin. I say his sentence is served. It is not about whether you are punished or not. It is about what you do to make up for any wrongdoings. Plus, for all extents and purposes, his students are people from that time, and they made no attempts to kill Paarthumux. The only reason why the Blades in Skyrim want him dead is because they are sworn dragon hunters. The Blades in Oblivion were likely a more mild version. Plus, consider this, Tiber Septim was Dragonborn and met the Greybeards. He was the last Dragonborn before our character to do so. The Septims were all Dragonborn, but they never met the Greybeards. The Blades are seen as a negative influence to the Dragonborn, and as seen from the actions of Tiber Septim and his kin's forgetting of their roots, they may not be inaccurate about that assumption.
See, if they were to add a quest that makes it so you can choose to kill the blades instead of Paarthurnax, people might actually buy the new "remaster." But no, go off with FiShiNG I guess...
It's more unfair to Arngeir than to Paarthurnax. Paarth himself tells you why it is wise the Blades do not trust him. He will avoid his fate if he can, but understands why the sentence is being carried out, and does not blame you for doing so. But Arngeir, he is the only of the Greybeards who is able to both Shout and temper his voice well enough to carry out simple conversations, rather than destroy you a la Black Bolt. He and many others before him were selected to be able to restrain his Voice, so that should a Dragonborn ever appear, they may be guided in the Way of the Voice. The Greybeards guided Talos of Atmora to his greater destiny, and Arngeir was hoping to guide you to yours. He sees it as nothing less than a literal blessing to be able to guide you. But as you journey closer and closer to your destiny, you test the limits of the Way of the Voice, Arngeir's entire life. You return to Arngeir one day demanding that he teach you Dragonrend, which he prescribes as the single most evil of the Shouts. He becomes skeptical of your true intentions upon learning you have been communicating with the Blades, whom he likely knows have been trying to have Paarthurnax killed for centuries. In a way, the Greybeards have guarded him from the Akaviri. In light of all of this, Arngeir warns you that you may inadvertently become a tool to be used by the Blades (to which his claim has merit, as neither Delphine nor Esbern have ever seen what you have to offer past your ability to absorb the souls of slain dragons). Despite his reluctance to allow you to stray towards a path that may lead to Paarthurnax's demise, he is reminded of his duties to guide you toward your destiny, not to determine it (which is an incredible juxtaposition to the Blades' doctrine). Arngeir once again finds himself torn between obeying his duty to guide you and adhering to the Way of the Voice when you ask if a council may be held in High Hrothgar. He voices his concern over inviting men of violence into their most sacred grounds of unfettered peace. Though he is compliant, he holds even more contempt for you, especially as he finds himself allowing the Blades to even set foot in his personal abode, let alone stay. No doubt the temptation to send them down the 7,000 steps the fast way was within him, and no doubt that urge grew more powerful as he (quiet likely) overhears Delphine give you your new orders upon adjournment of the meeting. And did I forget to mention that at the table is Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, whom by the Way of the Voice has committed blasphemy in using the Thu'um to slay another being? So you have fulfilled your destiny in ending the world-eater. And yet... despite all the aide that both he and Paarthurnax gave you, despite that his death brings nothing other than a misguided sense of retroactive punishment, you've allowed the Blades to carry out the legacy of those who created the Dragonrend shout; you have allowed the hatred of dragonkind that the Blades kept alive and well for centuries after the Dragon Wars ended to reach its penultimate conclusion and devour the very soul that allowed man to rise against its oppressors. By all rights, the Greybeards' should have "greeted you not as mortal, but as dovah." Time and time again you asked him to make exceptions to his tenets, and each time, he trusted you were doing the right thing, hoping it would all pay off in the end and you would be heralded as one of the greatest Dragonborn in history. No. Instead you have shown him exactly why his initial skepticisms were to be trusted more than you. The Greybeards now regret ever bellowing your name from the Throat of the World, inviting you onto their sacred mountain, christening you as the Dragonborn, and opening their home to you. You didn't just end another dragon's life, you ended a way of living. That is the true murder.
To add insult to injury, he was still likely very upset at Ulfric. So, he has another student, though not expected to follow his ideology, mocking the ideology that he has sworn his entire or majority of his life to. The only reason why he doesn't attack the player out of rage is because, at this point, his way of thinking or ideology is one of the only things he has left.
The way you describe it makes me hate the situation even more. It’s like the writers didn’t adhere to their own lessons about changing your nature and not letting hatred consume you. Nope, let’s kill him anyway.
That's the point when the Dragonborn writes a funny letter about two remaining Blades, all alone in an old temple and sends it to the Thalmor Embassy. We do a little trolling
I so wish that was an option now. You anonymously send a letter to the thalmor and then you come back in a few days and sky haven temple is burned and delphine and esbern are dead.
@@claviusbase5275 Really they already have everything set up to sell out the blades. You're able to get all buddy-buddy with that one thalmor in Markarth, and the only use that has is causing an optional distraction, at the cost of losing your friend status with the absolute monster, to complete a quest from Delphine no less. But for some reason if you do that elf's screwed up quest after Delphine's, he'll still gladly become your friend despite being there when you messed everything up, just because he didn't personally know you at the time (probably thinks you are trying to atone or something). With that in mind, the letter doesn't have to be anonymous, or even a letter, as this one disturbingly nice and gullible thalmor sees you as a valuable snitch. It would make perfect sense if you befriended him after diplomatic immunity, could simply walk up to him and tattle on Delphine. Though your option would probably be better for anyone who isn't a complete prick, with the lack of snitching on an innocent talos worshiper and whatnot.
Arngeir's reaction is honestly one of the most well voiced acted moments of Skyrim. You can just feel the betrayal in his voice, his sadness. He trusted you to the ends of the earth, but all that trust and then some is gone and for what? It made me shed a tear a little, and I barley cry over games.
List of good things that Paarthurnax has done: -Saving the nords from extinction and / or enslavement by teaching them how to shout -Giving you quite a bit of help on your journey to defeat alduin -Teaching the way of the voice -Repenting for his sins -Teaching you the Odahving shout if you dont ask Esbern to List of good things Esbern has done: -Told you about skyhaven temple and alduins wall -Deciphered alduins wall -Is able to teach you the Odahving shout if you dont ask paarthurnax to List of good things Delphine has done: -Get you into the thalmor embassy because her stuck up ass jumped to conclusions Fuck delphine
Playing skyrim there are some guilds where i feel like the player doesnt deserve to lead like the College Tolfdir seems like a much better choice to be the arcmage. However the one group that lorewise you as dragonborn are meant to be the defacto leader the game forces you to be stuck as a glorified errandboy.
@@MaxwelloftheClocktower I always found it immersion breaking how the other students (Brelyna, J'zargo) perform their own experiments in creating spells, when the player can't do anything of the sort. What kind of Archmage are you if you're incapable of something that students are expected to be able to do?
@@watupevery1471 After countless hours of agonising over the very question, I still couldn't find WHO THE FUCK ASKED ANYTHING OF YOU! FOR FUCK'S SAKE! YOU'RE UNDER EVERY GODDAMN COMMENT HERE.
@@watupevery1471 so did i. ITs an RPG after all. I dont need the Greybeards. "men of peace". Yea, no, cowards more like it. Whole province is being torn apart and the Greybeards and those that side with them prefer to sit on their ass on a mountain instead of doing something to stop it.
Did this once just for completing quests' sake. Never thought that It will be the hardest thing that I must do in this game. More difficult than killing the Karstaag and Ebony Warrior combined.
Not even in a physical difficulty. I had to remind myself if was a game and didn't have lasting consequences. Even then, I killed Party Sand, got the reactions, and reloaded. I never felt so horrible.
I just shouted Delphine and Esbern off the mountain as they were leaving high hrothgar after the peace council, before they could talk to me, so I didn’t get the quest. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made in Skyrim if I do say so myself.
Delphine: “We have nothing to talk about until Paarthurnax is dead” Dragonborn (or at least any sane dragonborn): “Then we have nothing to talk about.”
It makes me regret recruiting any new Blades for them in my first playthrough. Delphine and the ol' coot can stay in their cold, drafty temple together forever, as far as I'm concerned. I have no interest in returning to "their" side. =>[.]
@@Raycheetah I just gave them the cold shoulder after that and never played the main questline in any subsequent playthrough. I wish there was an option to call out Delphine and Esbern and reform the blades into what they should actually be. Actually, in one SSE playthrough where I had a mod allowing you to toggle essential NPC settings I killed the pair of them instead…
Killing Paarthurnax is the most evil thing you can possibly do in any TES game lol. He is literally the second oldest Dovah, second only to Alduin. He is a lot wiser than Alduin too, because Alduin is more of a force of nature than an individual. Paarthurnax literally saved humanity from domination and enslavement by the dragons
To me, the best compromise was to help the blades gain three new recruits. After that they were on their own after refusing to work with me for sparing Paarthurnax.
It's really nasty from Delphine and Esbern to not only want us to kill this great dragon, but also by refusing to aid us if we don't do as they say. Is that how they thank us for helping them? Is that how they thank Paarthurnax himself for his help? They could at least have considered that the way he listened to Kyne and aided men meant he did truly change, but no. Everything that matters to is the bad stuff he's done, fuck that at the end of the day Paarthurnax is the only reason the nords didn't get almost exterminated by the dov. On top of that, Esbern himself admits that Paarthurnax was also protected by the Emperors... and yet the Blades still served them as their personal bodyguard. If serving the Dragonborn Emperors didn't break the Blades' oath, how does serving the Last Dragonborn break Delphine and Esbern's oath? If there are two things in this world that some people need to value are repentance and forgiveness.
Simple delphine is incredibly stupid and thinks she can stand up to the dragon born because she has a few people with her and their is only one dragon born and the old blades knew that if they went after o'l parthy the empire would hunt them down with twice the fury and vengeance that the thalmor do currently and they wouldn't be able to scurry away like the rats they are so basically old blades smart and knew their place new blades are stupid over confident weaklings
See that's the thing. Delphine says it would be against "Her and Esbern's oaths." Esbern never says anything about oaths. And he also expresses his guilt about having to kill Paarthurnax. It seems like Esbern is only listening to Delphine because she is the only acting leader of the Blades, and like any organization, the leaders word is law. It is incredibly accurate to say that Delphine is an overconfident person. Not actually understanding how small she is in the eyes of a dragon. She wants to use The LBD as a secret weapon to the Dragons. That is the most obvious trait of any Tyrant. Use a power weapon to get what you want. If she kills the dragons, who will stand against the blades and there Dragonborn weapon.
That is why I downloaded a mod that tells delphine to shut the fuck up and fall in line. Paarthanoux lives and the blades learn their place as MY organization
tbh i think its a total jackass move to kill paerthurnax, like he literally helped you defeat alduin, and helped the ancient nords of old temporarily defeat alduin with the elder scroll
"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort" I feel for Delphine the opposite is true "What is worse, to be born evil or to succumb to evil through no effort of your own?"
Here's a potentially controversial take: The Last Dragonborn as a character is inherently evil within the lore of the story and it is proven through killing Parthurnax. As a dragonborn you have dragon blood and many of the same drives a dragon has. You share their lust for power and destruction. I think the canonical choices should be the worst possible ones you can make. When Parthurnax asks the question of which is better it's a question he wants you to ask about yourself. Can YOU overcome YOUR evil nature with great effort? Not within the story of Skyrim but maybe outside in the lore. We can only know once ES6 comes out.
If the Blades don't want anything to do with my character until they kill Paarthurnax--hey, if they wait for the rest of eternity, that's fine by me. Why should the LDB kill off the best and wisest teacher mankind ever had because of Delphine's hate-filled demands? She didn't even believe that the LDB was dragonborn until she saw them absorb a dragon's soul...but she was more than willing to pass off a fake as a Dragonborn as long as they could kill a dragon. The LDB is just a pawn to her.
@@heavenandhello6629 The only reason he spoils you so much is because you're the Dragonborn. He doesn't care about you, he just wants someone that powerful to be in his pocket.
I usually ditch the Blades straight after Alduin's Wall. Paarthurnax can point you towards Ohdaviing, so you don't need them at all after that quest. They can rot in their decrepit ruins as far as I care.
that is why i prefer the blades in Oblivion rather then in skyrim because the Oath of the blades is to Protect the emperor thats was during the septim Dynasty but now is all gone that is why i prefer to spare Paarthurnax either he was a Henchmen of Alduin past is the past what does matter is he simply repaying his did.
Out of all 66,000 lines of dialog recorded in Skyrim, I have most likely heard almost all of them. Except Arngeir's rage. I have never heard that dialog, because I have never, even in my most evil of playthroughs, killed Paarthurnax.
Oh I wish there was option to say Delphine: ,,If you want him dead then do it yourself". Then she's no longer essential and can be killed by our dovah friend.
I never killed Paarthurnax. It just felt wrong. Now I'm shown that doing so removes the repeat quest that Arngeir can give you that has you hunt down words of power? Even more reason to ignore that quest.
Paarthurnax wasn't resurrected by Alduin, meaning that throughout all the previous Elder Scrolls games, he was chilling atop the Throat of the World, hidden from outsiders.
I'd like to think my bro Caius Cosades, the old, moon-sugar loving Blade, is rolling over in his grave over these two morons. Delphine is pretty much saying that people can't get better, that we can't make up for our past crimes, that we can't learn a better way to be and change ourselves. Of course Paarthurnax did evil things at first, it was all he knew as a dragon. He is the one, though, that one day looked at the things he and his kin were doing and said "This is wrong". He is the one who gave up the end of one of his horns (still missing to this day) so Jurgen Windcaller could use it. He's the one who taught people how to use the voice, and use it to defend themselves. He turned things around for both himself and the people he helped. Honestly, he reminds me so much of Vegeta from the Dragonball series. Vegeta starts off evil, killing off entire populations of residents on planets so the planets can be sold in a galactic market for money. Long story short, he ends up having to work with Earthlings to fight off an even greater evil and eventually starts to learn to trust others and work alongside them rather than trying to kill them, and in the long run becomes a better person. He did far worse things than Paarthurnax did, and he readily admits it and even regresses once, but he became one of the best defenders of the Earth and their universe.
"Let me remind you, Delphine. The Blades are oath bound to serve the Dragonborn. Oath bound to serve me. And let me tell you, I've been doing a pretty good job without your help. To put it simply...' _You_ need _me, I_ don't need _you!"_
This is the only way I'll ever see this dialogue. I even downloaded the Paarthurnax Dilemma mod just so I can tell Delphine exactly where to shove her self righteous cocky bullshit.
Thalmor Embassy before party - th-cam.com/video/K9iVlQGfurA/w-d-xo.html
I wish this questline had more options:
1. Lie about killing Paarthunax. (Not like they're ever getting up there to check.)
2. Remind them that they work for you, not the other way around.
3. Have Delphine follow you to "Paarthunax's body"... located at the sacrifice pole at the Shrine of Boethiah.
the parthunarx dilemma mod allows you to avoid it by telling the blades they serve the Dragonborn not the other way around you even can speak in the dragontongue causing the ground to shake like when the greybeards summoned you
@@wolves600 I get that, but I'm talking about the vanilla game. It's a major oversight that something like that has to be modded in.
I loved Skyrim but it was just bland, what was i expecting from Bethesda. I'm still pissed at the fact that murdering the emperor had zero consequences
My friend have you ever heard of..."mods?"
@@phatlewt2932 yep i agree there were so many small things that could have been easily fixed but i mean bethesda really just went and did nothing to make it better now its more like a joke than a game unless you have mods installed
That dialogue from Arngeir is genuine top notch
How about Einarth's? Let's recognize that gem.
@@QHalvorson they can't talk because their voices are stronger.
imagine if the earth rumbled because of arngeirs anger, and if you keep bothering him he starts shouting
Christopher Plummer, one of the greatest actors of the past 50 years.
@@reset3073 1) After a certain point they can talk to the Dragonborn.
2) That was the most obvious joke and you still managed to miss it. Good job.
That Arngeir dialogue almost made me cry
You also get nothing in return from the Blades, they just give you more quests to slay more dragons
you can actually do all of them and get all the related stuff before they ask you to do this too. So you really don't get anything out of it as long as you time the quests before a couple things.
That and paarthunax amps your shouts while the blades only gives you bountyless dragon quests which literally every single hold can give you.
@@nekoluxuria7721 at least you can get 100 or so gold from the Stewart if you go the the holds.
Meanwhile the Greybeards find you new words of power from time to time and some of them involve having to kill dragons anyway. Party Snax also powers up your Unrelenting Force, Fire Breath, or Become Ethereal Shouts.
@@revanchistofnumenorThe Blades let you recruit three followers that you can dragons with, lead you to dragons increasing your dragon souls, give you a permanent melee boost and a temporary crit boost against dragons, you can keep Paarthurnax’s shout boost after he dies, and you can easily find words of power by shouting in town. They have more tangible benefits and are just way more fun to play with. I understand why people hate the Blades but from a gameplay perspective they are the superior option, sorry. Also Paarthurnax isn’t a saint either.
I like how it actually looks like Arngeir is angry with you with the way he is walking and then finishes by meditating and refusing to talk more
That's not him, that's Einarth.
The other Greybeards not even acknowledging you anymore as the Dovahkiin after you slay Paarthunax is pretty powerful. Sometimes, saying nothing says everything!!
Their logical reasoning is probably the as to why they normally only reply to the player by stating "Dovakiin" in a voice that can be felt across the building, if they speak too much in dovah, they might unintentionally do harm, to themselves and the whole place even in the case of them losing their respect for the player for doing that
@@jonsku6662 More like felt across Nirn
God yeah, even makes me feel guilty. And I never killed him.
Einarth just looks at you with disgust.
I've never done this in ANY of my playthroughs
Same. If the Blades want him dead so badly then they can do it themselves...........if they can get past me, that is.
Me too.. f the blades... Parth is a goddamn cool dragon
@@A.O.0 The issue is their great hypocrisy. They view him as inherently evil and deserving of death on account of what he did eons ago, yet view Tiber Septim as an irresolute hero in spite of him being essentially the same as Paarthrunax aside from the human body. Paarthurnax dominated and committed crimes against people, yes, but so did Tiber Septim when he was forging the Empire. In the end, the decision to kill Paarthurnax rests with me and I will not kill him.
Me neither. The Blades can go screw themselves for all I care.
I saved, then did it once to see what happens. Nothing useful so i reloaded.
The fact that he doesn’t even want to fight back is heart breaking
I only did this in my first playthrough , thought it was a part of the main quest. They should give a quest to disband the blades instead
Delphine: We have nothing to talk about until Paarthurnax is dead.
Me, having The Paarthurnax Dilemma installed as a must-have mod: *You just lost your kneecap privileges.*
set delphine and esbern as non essencial and boom disbanded xD
@@Zerberos22 I don’t have a problem with Esbern personally. I have more of a problem with that bitch, Delphine. My sister just started playing the game and when I saw Delphine in Dragonsreach talking to Farengar, I yelled “BITCH!” at my sister’s screen. I told my sister that she’s going to hate that woman.
The blades can end up being of great aid in the upcoming Second Great War. It's better to rebuild them and then give the finger to Delphine and Esbern.
@@Filius_Tonitrui What blades? There nothing left of them. They are bodygaurds not an army lol
Blades: Kill Partysnacks and you can be an official member
Dragonborn: But all you guys did was put me in life threating situations... Which is worse then putting most people in life threating situations because I'm the only one that can kill Alduin
Blades: Yeah but like... You can chill here in this sick temple!
Dragonborn: That I unlocked with *my* blood
Me as Dragon Born:
YOU MEAN THE TEMPLE IM ABOUT TO OBLITERATED YO BUTTS IN!?!
@@noahjahnsen7841 I suggest killable Delphine mod. Kill her, soul trap her, enchant some regular shoes (she's not worth a piece of armour) then walk your ass up to Partysnacks so she can *Feel* what betrayal feels like
@@ezra2701 If you don't finish the war quest line before you try and trap odaviin you can call a truce meeting between the stone cloaks and the empire, Dephine and Esbern will be there, after the meeting is resolved everyone will exit Highrothgar this gives you a window of time to Fus Ro Dah Dephine off of Highrothgar as she loses her important character status after the meeting ends and you can kill her and Esbern.
@@noahjahnsen7841 wait Hol up, i didn't know that??? I've done Season Unending a billion times and usually I brew up a really strong paralysis poison (thank you Bethesda bugs) and just slip it in her pocket
@@noahjahnsen7841 Esbern isn't as bad but yeah fuck Delphine
How's the view bitch? Fly like a dragon
I never kill him because : a) He's not guided by some pretentious moral compass and b) I hate Delphine
We all hate Delpine.
Delphine: paarthurnax helped but we don't need him anymore you know what must done.
Me: No the main quest is complete and you lost your essential status do you know what happens.
@@lumpofmeatsack2013 Lost essential status? with pc console commands, you mean?..
because I play on ps3 and 4, and every time I complete Dragonslayer I always return to Sky Haven Temple only to loot the armory 😁 then give swords and armors to followers or housecarls 😎
@@fabriziodefrancesco7083 ps3 never had problem killing her before
@@bearbones7913 bell
Worst choice in the game, the Blades don't deserve our help.
Or our forgiveness about their blind hate
@@NezomShark their?..far more delphine's than Esbern's..
It's HE who "decodes" Alduin's wall, HE who sets straight Delphine (!) Tullius and Ulfric in front of the Greybeards during Season Unending, HE who teaches the Shout to call Odahviing 😜😏
What the fu..srodah is DELPHINE doing!? Apart from convincing herself that the THALMOR are the ones who resurrect the dragons...and behaving arrogantly all the time
Jaufree > Delphine
@@coolrabi7656 yes
Their fuck ups cause the Oblivion crisis and the Great War. They also played no major role during the war letting the army do all the heavy lifting. Meanwhile Skyrim is pushing us real hard to like those dorks. On the other hand Penitus Oculatus have been stationed in Skyrim for a few years and managed to locate the dark brotherhoods hideout which no one could do for friggin centuries.
Party Snax is the best NPC in the game. That's why I downloaded a mod that allows me to remind Delphine that she is NOT Grandmaster of the Blades, that she's a just a lackey pretending to be an innkeeper. She has no authority, especially since without the Dragonborn, their is no Blades.
What's the mod called
@@zandermilligan9914I believe the mod is called the parthurnax dilemma
@@calebmoore7633 I don't have a PC or anything like that so Im gonna search up a video soon
It is.
Wish I'd seen this comment before making my own. 😂
Delphine/Esbern: The Blades have always served the Dragonborn, the greatest dragonslayer
Also Delphine/Esbern: Be our little errand boy for the entire questline, and if you don’t kill a dragon that helped you kill Alduin, we’ll never talk to you again
Yea it's stuff like this that doesn't make me regret that the Thalmor obliterated the Blades. And let's be honest here... The Blades were terrible bodyguards of the Septims anyway.
I don't remember where, but I discovered that in the past they underestimated first the power of the Tsaesci of akavir then that of the THALMOR on the eve of the Great War
They also went off and did their own thing later regardless of what the imperial government wanted after the death of the Uriel Septim. The Penitus Occulatis is better because they actually have authorities they need to answer too.
Dudes left a prisoner with the emporer
But that prisoner turned out to be the Hero of Kvatch
@@typicaljaguar9155 I mean it's not like he's the nerevar or the LDB he's literally just a dude that closed some oblivion gates he definitely could've beat the emperor to death he's practically a hobo
The only way you can kill him is if you're playing either a puppet or a whole ass villain.
Or for curiosity then afterwards reload a save.
Skyrim players will literally kill dozens of innocent people just to get some shiny Daedra trinket. Then get mad when Blades ask you to kill a self awared evil natured Dragon, responsible for many human lives in the past, who himself admits he might be lost and become evil again. The fact that there are even mods to avoid this quest is crazy 🤣🤣
Dude, even when I’m trying to play an evil character, I can’t bring myself to do it.
@@edman9953 Yeah, I’ll kill pretty much anyone but partysnax
Or your character just hates dragons period. Maybe their spouse got killed by one etc.?
I feel the same way as Arngeir right now.
Arngeir more like Anger
Don’t bully arngeir.
Mod free solution: use alchemy and restoration loop to create a potion of fortify enchantment that is ridiculously strong. Drink the potion and create a weapon with the paralyze enchantment and use it on Delpine! In my game, she is paralyzed with an enchantment that will last 5 years so she is effectively dead.
Her lungs are paralyzed so she is actually *dead* :D
Alternatively you can create a potion w the enchanted loop that creates a fortify alchemy armor piece that allows you to create paralytic poisons that poison people basically forever.
Actually, that is a fate worse than death. 😂
@@LuminousWhispers11that's not enough. After her death use necromancy for she to serve the dragonborn and take her to the throat of the world, to Paarthurnax, than drop her from mountain. She will became ashes on the mountain, where sits dragon she that want to die
This is why every time I play skyrim I always have the paarthurnax dilemma downloaded
You did something I'm not strong enough to do myself
The hypocrisy of these Blades astounds me! I swore the oath they speak of in Oblivion, the one that binds them to the service of the Dragonborn, and know that they are violating that oath by refusing to help me, not by my refusal to slay Paarthurnax! Paarthurnax is the only reason why humanity is not still in thrall to the dragons and still they demand his death for acts committed far beyond living memory!
Who cares. I killed parthurnax haha does that make u mad?
@@watupevery1471 Yeah & your probably a Stormcloak too.
@@watupevery1471 only a Synth would kill Partysnax
@@dreszerg6837 What's wrong with being a Stormcloack? Skyrim can be a sovereign land and fight alongside Cyrodiil as an equal, rather than as a vassal. Cyrodiil has a history of colonizing lands and then abandoning them when it's inconvenient.
@@hlaaluinc.4959 I was joking man, chillax
For me Paarthurnax it's just the most intelligent Npc and ones you can see his existence is highly important, he admit he did bad things but hes seeking redemption training people (Greybeards), and killing him is like you burn Alexandria's Library
"You and me, we're the only people around here who aren't complete fools." - Dovahkiin to Paarthurnax, 4E 201
You should always spare Partysnaks, but the library of Alexandria analogy doesn't make any sense. The library was place with untold amounts of knowledge open to many people, where as not even the greybeards really ever get anything history from him just the wisdom he gained from living through it.
it might not be a canonical option, but sometimes i wonder what their plan was if the dragonborn _did_ just full-stop say no. it's not like they're getting past the greybeards, and even if the idea was just, like, wait until their organization had the strength to take down our beloved partysnacks, how the hell would that be happening when they're totally reliant on the ldb for new members? the only bargaining chip they have over you is an unfinished quest marker, it's bonkers.
Here's a little trick I learned if you set up the peace treaty between the stormcloaks and the empire you can keep dodging them saying "there's one more thing we know about paarthurnax" you can shout them both off the mountain so you don't have to kill him because you didn't start the quest
I learned this when I pressed tringle button, she still try to ask but I can just repeat till I decide to leave
I thu'um her butt off High Hrothgar every time. I leave Esburn alone. He seem more reasonable of the two, because he understands that you, as Dragonborn, have a dragon spirit, thus technicality a dragon yourself. Asking you to kill your own kind is asking a lot from you.
@@LadyCoyKoi the other dragons refer to you as a dragon who cannot fly
Just beat alduin and it goes away by itself. You also get a dragons salute, guards saying you're awesome and thanks for killing a great evil, your bard will serenade you in your house about you defeating alduin.
Nah screw every dragon in skyrim game
What makes me laugh is their hypocrisy in thinking they, the ones meant to SERVE said Dragonborn, think they can order around a Godslaying Figure from Nordic legend like it’s nobody’s business, when they are completely at said figure’s mercy.
Makes no sense and ruins my immersion.
That’s what makes me laugh.
and also claim he has to pay for killing people she never knew about, that means she too gotta pay for the people she killed
Well to be fair they have their rights to choose who they serve.. so does the dragonborn to choose who to fight with. Nothing to feel bad about if u choose to let paarthunax lived. In fact it is a tactical move to leave the Blades hanging because if Paarthunax ever turn bad we know we still got the Blades to back us. At the same time we give Paarthunax a chance to turn over a new leaf and maybe in the long run, the Blade would learn to put aside their hatred for dragon.
@@elvoria actually they dont have the right as they swore an oath now sure they can break that but that's a big taboo
@@wolves600 That's true but they also did swore oath to kill all dragon too which is the reason for them to swear to assist the dragonborn.. I think its something like 1st rule vs 2nd rule thing.
@@elvoria except Tiber Septim had a dragon ally(Nafaalilargus) and the blades didn't seem to care then and their first rule is to the Dragonborn
I could never do this, the reactions of the IMPORTANT characters are exactly what I expected them to be
Skip to 0:54 if you don’t want to see the absolute horror show
You are a good person, thank you.
I still see them. Skip to 1:40
Blades: “our leader is the dragonborn”
Also blades: *tells the Dragonborn what to do*
Two lines of dialogue. That's your "reward" for betraying the one being thanks to whom victory was in the realm of possibility in the first place, who tried to atone for his sins, and murdering him in cold blood.
Two. Goddamn. Lines. Of. Dialogue.
Except it wasn't in cold blood. There was a perfectly understandably and just reason for hunting him down. And since when does atonement mean one can escape all repercussions for past misdeeds? It helps, sure, but to just ignore the sheer gravity of what this dragon has done simply because he claims to have atoned is just peculiar.
@@danielread5854
He did his deeds centuries before anyone involved in the current dilemma were even born, while living under the tyranny of a literal god that could eat souls. He risked his soul to save humanity, and even helped save humanity again when the same literal bringer of the apocalypse came back. He's served is sentence 10X over.
@Daniel Read Teaching man the Thu''um and trusted by the goddess Kyne, isolated on a mountain for centuries, and willingly helps the Dragonborn defeat Alduin. I say his sentence is served. It is not about whether you are punished or not. It is about what you do to make up for any wrongdoings. Plus, for all extents and purposes, his students are people from that time, and they made no attempts to kill Paarthumux.
The only reason why the Blades in Skyrim want him dead is because they are sworn dragon hunters. The Blades in Oblivion were likely a more mild version. Plus, consider this, Tiber Septim was Dragonborn and met the Greybeards. He was the last Dragonborn before our character to do so.
The Septims were all Dragonborn, but they never met the Greybeards. The Blades are seen as a negative influence to the Dragonborn, and as seen from the actions of Tiber Septim and his kin's forgetting of their roots, they may not be inaccurate about that assumption.
Post-Oblivion Bethesda sucks.
See, if they were to add a quest that makes it so you can choose to kill the blades instead of Paarthurnax, people might actually buy the new "remaster." But no, go off with FiShiNG I guess...
The words of Arngeir cut deep in my soul
It's more unfair to Arngeir than to Paarthurnax. Paarth himself tells you why it is wise the Blades do not trust him. He will avoid his fate if he can, but understands why the sentence is being carried out, and does not blame you for doing so.
But Arngeir, he is the only of the Greybeards who is able to both Shout and temper his voice well enough to carry out simple conversations, rather than destroy you a la Black Bolt. He and many others before him were selected to be able to restrain his Voice, so that should a Dragonborn ever appear, they may be guided in the Way of the Voice. The Greybeards guided Talos of Atmora to his greater destiny, and Arngeir was hoping to guide you to yours. He sees it as nothing less than a literal blessing to be able to guide you.
But as you journey closer and closer to your destiny, you test the limits of the Way of the Voice, Arngeir's entire life. You return to Arngeir one day demanding that he teach you Dragonrend, which he prescribes as the single most evil of the Shouts. He becomes skeptical of your true intentions upon learning you have been communicating with the Blades, whom he likely knows have been trying to have Paarthurnax killed for centuries. In a way, the Greybeards have guarded him from the Akaviri. In light of all of this, Arngeir warns you that you may inadvertently become a tool to be used by the Blades (to which his claim has merit, as neither Delphine nor Esbern have ever seen what you have to offer past your ability to absorb the souls of slain dragons).
Despite his reluctance to allow you to stray towards a path that may lead to Paarthurnax's demise, he is reminded of his duties to guide you toward your destiny, not to determine it (which is an incredible juxtaposition to the Blades' doctrine). Arngeir once again finds himself torn between obeying his duty to guide you and adhering to the Way of the Voice when you ask if a council may be held in High Hrothgar. He voices his concern over inviting men of violence into their most sacred grounds of unfettered peace. Though he is compliant, he holds even more contempt for you, especially as he finds himself allowing the Blades to even set foot in his personal abode, let alone stay. No doubt the temptation to send them down the 7,000 steps the fast way was within him, and no doubt that urge grew more powerful as he (quiet likely) overhears Delphine give you your new orders upon adjournment of the meeting. And did I forget to mention that at the table is Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, whom by the Way of the Voice has committed blasphemy in using the Thu'um to slay another being?
So you have fulfilled your destiny in ending the world-eater. And yet... despite all the aide that both he and Paarthurnax gave you, despite that his death brings nothing other than a misguided sense of retroactive punishment, you've allowed the Blades to carry out the legacy of those who created the Dragonrend shout; you have allowed the hatred of dragonkind that the Blades kept alive and well for centuries after the Dragon Wars ended to reach its penultimate conclusion and devour the very soul that allowed man to rise against its oppressors. By all rights, the Greybeards' should have "greeted you not as mortal, but as dovah." Time and time again you asked him to make exceptions to his tenets, and each time, he trusted you were doing the right thing, hoping it would all pay off in the end and you would be heralded as one of the greatest Dragonborn in history.
No. Instead you have shown him exactly why his initial skepticisms were to be trusted more than you. The Greybeards now regret ever bellowing your name from the Throat of the World, inviting you onto their sacred mountain, christening you as the Dragonborn, and opening their home to you. You didn't just end another dragon's life, you ended a way of living. That is the true murder.
To add insult to injury, he was still likely very upset at Ulfric. So, he has another student, though not expected to follow his ideology, mocking the ideology that he has sworn his entire or majority of his life to. The only reason why he doesn't attack the player out of rage is because, at this point, his way of thinking or ideology is one of the only things he has left.
Dang. Very well said
The way you describe it makes me hate the situation even more. It’s like the writers didn’t adhere to their own lessons about changing your nature and not letting hatred consume you. Nope, let’s kill him anyway.
Overly sentimental nonsense.
I aint reading all of that but very interesting
That's the point when the Dragonborn writes a funny letter about two remaining Blades, all alone in an old temple and sends it to the Thalmor Embassy.
We do a little trolling
Oh f*ck that would be both messed up and hilarious 😂
I so wish that was an option now. You anonymously send a letter to the thalmor and then you come back in a few days and sky haven temple is burned and delphine and esbern are dead.
@@claviusbase5275 Really they already have everything set up to sell out the blades. You're able to get all buddy-buddy with that one thalmor in Markarth, and the only use that has is causing an optional distraction, at the cost of losing your friend status with the absolute monster, to complete a quest from Delphine no less. But for some reason if you do that elf's screwed up quest after Delphine's, he'll still gladly become your friend despite being there when you messed everything up, just because he didn't personally know you at the time (probably thinks you are trying to atone or something).
With that in mind, the letter doesn't have to be anonymous, or even a letter, as this one disturbingly nice and gullible thalmor sees you as a valuable snitch. It would make perfect sense if you befriended him after diplomatic immunity, could simply walk up to him and tattle on Delphine.
Though your option would probably be better for anyone who isn't a complete prick, with the lack of snitching on an innocent talos worshiper and whatnot.
I would choose this every time
Arngeir's reaction is honestly one of the most well voiced acted moments of Skyrim. You can just feel the betrayal in his voice, his sadness. He trusted you to the ends of the earth, but all that trust and then some is gone and for what? It made me shed a tear a little, and I barley cry over games.
Dragonborn:So have you located any words?
Greybeards: fuck off
List of good things that Paarthurnax has done:
-Saving the nords from extinction and / or enslavement by teaching them how to shout
-Giving you quite a bit of help on your journey to defeat alduin
-Teaching the way of the voice
-Repenting for his sins
-Teaching you the Odahving shout if you dont ask Esbern to
List of good things Esbern has done:
-Told you about skyhaven temple and alduins wall
-Deciphered alduins wall
-Is able to teach you the Odahving shout if you dont ask paarthurnax to
List of good things Delphine has done:
-Get you into the thalmor embassy because her stuck up ass jumped to conclusions
Fuck delphine
Me when roleplaying as Thalmor and she said that she was blade member : MWAHAHAHA BLADES GONNA DULL
Playing skyrim there are some guilds where i feel like the player doesnt deserve to lead like the College Tolfdir seems like a much better choice to be the arcmage. However the one group that lorewise you as dragonborn are meant to be the defacto leader the game forces you to be stuck as a glorified errandboy.
You know I honestly think that would've improved the storyline. You don't become Archmage yourself but you are called upon to elect the next Archmage
@@MaxwelloftheClocktower I always found it immersion breaking how the other students (Brelyna, J'zargo) perform their own experiments in creating spells, when the player can't do anything of the sort. What kind of Archmage are you if you're incapable of something that students are expected to be able to do?
@@Sparkette exactly. I would love to combine spells or use something akin to alchemy to create a new transmog spell or conjuration spell
Damn... when I played this game I was 10, and Paarthunax was favorite character. I didn't realize you didn't have to kill him. Bro I actually cried...
You just thanos snapped my soul
This is why the paarthurnax dilemma mod is always in my load order
In all of my years of playing Skyrim I have never killed Paarthunax and I never will
As a achievement hunter, I hated doing that, Shadow the Mercenary of the 4th Era, the khajiit aka Dovahkiin does not kill him canonically.
Even if you do this, the Blades at most are merely a husk of what they were. Not worth the loss or effort
cool don't care I still killed every dragon in this game
@@watupevery1471 After countless hours of agonising over the very question, I still couldn't find WHO THE FUCK ASKED ANYTHING OF YOU!
FOR FUCK'S SAKE! YOU'RE UNDER EVERY GODDAMN COMMENT HERE.
@@watupevery1471 so did i. ITs an RPG after all. I dont need the Greybeards. "men of peace". Yea, no, cowards more like it. Whole province is being torn apart and the Greybeards and those that side with them prefer to sit on their ass on a mountain instead of doing something to stop it.
Delphine is an insult to the name of The Blades
Did this once just for completing quests' sake.
Never thought that It will be the hardest thing that I must do in this game.
More difficult than killing the Karstaag and Ebony Warrior combined.
Artichoke Aubergine Asparagus
Not even in a physical difficulty. I had to remind myself if was a game and didn't have lasting consequences. Even then, I killed Party Sand, got the reactions, and reloaded. I never felt so horrible.
Here claim your "I never killed paarthunax" membership.
Maaan... This is really hard to watch. I have a mod installed that lets u not kill him and continue blades questline. I really recommend it
I mean... even with The Paarthurnax Dilemma installed, I just wind up killing the Blades either way. Fuckin' hate Delphine.
@@Lichdemonz yeah xD this questline needs a rework overall
Just beat alduin. The quest goes away.
Ill pass, I hate parthurnax
@@watupevery1471 *pulls gun* say sike right now
Einarths vibe is so "wishing the last dragonborn a very die"
Arngeir calling out the Dragonborn for Paarthurnax's demise is the greatest roast a player cen get from Skyrim's NPC for being a guillible d**khead.
Esbern: The shades of many Blades salute you this day.
Me: And at the same time, the spirits of the many heroes of Sovngarde frown upon you.
I just shouted Delphine and Esbern off the mountain as they were leaving high hrothgar after the peace council, before they could talk to me, so I didn’t get the quest. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made in Skyrim if I do say so myself.
You're a brave gamer, going after Parthurnaax like that... I can never bring myself to do it, because the Blades just suck that much.
Delphine: “We have nothing to talk about until Paarthurnax is dead”
Dragonborn (or at least any sane dragonborn): “Then we have nothing to talk about.”
It makes me regret recruiting any new Blades for them in my first playthrough. Delphine and the ol' coot can stay in their cold, drafty temple together forever, as far as I'm concerned. I have no interest in returning to "their" side. =>[.]
@@Raycheetah I just gave them the cold shoulder after that and never played the main questline in any subsequent playthrough. I wish there was an option to call out Delphine and Esbern and reform the blades into what they should actually be.
Actually, in one SSE playthrough where I had a mod allowing you to toggle essential NPC settings I killed the pair of them instead…
Annoying that Bethesda gives us an option to brutally unjustifiably murder Paarthurnax, but not righteously and honorably execute Delphine and Esbern.
Evil, good, lawful, chaotic, neutral,
No matter what character I'm playing, I NEVER kill Paarthurnax.
Killing Paarthurnax is the most evil thing you can possibly do in any TES game lol. He is literally the second oldest Dovah, second only to Alduin. He is a lot wiser than Alduin too, because Alduin is more of a force of nature than an individual. Paarthurnax literally saved humanity from domination and enslavement by the dragons
Same. I'm the leader of the dark brotherhood but there just ain't no way I'm killing Paarthurnax
To me, the best compromise was to help the blades gain three new recruits. After that they were on their own after refusing to work with me for sparing Paarthurnax.
It's really nasty from Delphine and Esbern to not only want us to kill this great dragon, but also by refusing to aid us if we don't do as they say. Is that how they thank us for helping them? Is that how they thank Paarthurnax himself for his help? They could at least have considered that the way he listened to Kyne and aided men meant he did truly change, but no. Everything that matters to is the bad stuff he's done, fuck that at the end of the day Paarthurnax is the only reason the nords didn't get almost exterminated by the dov. On top of that, Esbern himself admits that Paarthurnax was also protected by the Emperors... and yet the Blades still served them as their personal bodyguard. If serving the Dragonborn Emperors didn't break the Blades' oath, how does serving the Last Dragonborn break Delphine and Esbern's oath? If there are two things in this world that some people need to value are repentance and forgiveness.
Simple delphine is incredibly stupid and thinks she can stand up to the dragon born because she has a few people with her and their is only one dragon born and the old blades knew that if they went after o'l parthy the empire would hunt them down with twice the fury and vengeance that the thalmor do currently and they wouldn't be able to scurry away like the rats they are so basically old blades smart and knew their place new blades are stupid over confident weaklings
See that's the thing. Delphine says it would be against "Her and Esbern's oaths." Esbern never says anything about oaths. And he also expresses his guilt about having to kill Paarthurnax. It seems like Esbern is only listening to Delphine because she is the only acting leader of the Blades, and like any organization, the leaders word is law. It is incredibly accurate to say that Delphine is an overconfident person. Not actually understanding how small she is in the eyes of a dragon. She wants to use The LBD as a secret weapon to the Dragons. That is the most obvious trait of any Tyrant. Use a power weapon to get what you want. If she kills the dragons, who will stand against the blades and there Dragonborn weapon.
Delphine: If you’re not with us, you’re against us.
*Me, a lvl 75 Dragonborn wearing full daedric enchanted armor and weapons*
Me: Bet.
That is why I downloaded a mod that tells delphine to shut the fuck up and fall in line. Paarthanoux lives and the blades learn their place as MY organization
tbh i think its a total jackass move to kill paerthurnax, like he literally helped you defeat alduin, and helped the ancient nords of old temporarily defeat alduin with the elder scroll
Don't care, screw shapeshifters and screw all dragons in skyrim
@@watupevery1471 Forget the list he goes to the block aka you
Not to mention he waited in meditation and isolation on the top of a mountain for thousands of years until alduin came back.
"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort"
I feel for Delphine the opposite is true
"What is worse, to be born evil or to succumb to evil through no effort of your own?"
The delay freaked me out. I was gonna be heartbroken if he just sat there and took it
YOU NEVER KILL PAARTHURNAX. The blades should be erradicated, they must work FOR you no otherwise.
Here's a potentially controversial take: The Last Dragonborn as a character is inherently evil within the lore of the story and it is proven through killing Parthurnax. As a dragonborn you have dragon blood and many of the same drives a dragon has. You share their lust for power and destruction. I think the canonical choices should be the worst possible ones you can make. When Parthurnax asks the question of which is better it's a question he wants you to ask about yourself. Can YOU overcome YOUR evil nature with great effort? Not within the story of Skyrim but maybe outside in the lore. We can only know once ES6 comes out.
If the Blades don't want anything to do with my character until they kill Paarthurnax--hey, if they wait for the rest of eternity, that's fine by me. Why should the LDB kill off the best and wisest teacher mankind ever had because of Delphine's hate-filled demands? She didn't even believe that the LDB was dragonborn until she saw them absorb a dragon's soul...but she was more than willing to pass off a fake as a Dragonborn as long as they could kill a dragon. The LDB is just a pawn to her.
Bruh, if a Man of Peace is unable to forgive you, you know you fucked up big time!
To this day even my most evil skyrim RP characters didn't kill parthanax
you monster
also how did you get Vex as a follower?
I think it's relationship dialogs overhaul mod
@@FerzenRPG ah i see
Yelling at Delphine in the "Dillema of Paarthurnax" modification is one of the most enjoyable things in Skyrim for me
Paarthurnax is literally the only character I've never betrayed
So does that mean you betrayed Jarl Balgruuf by joining the stormcloaks?
@@heavenandhello6629 I have, yes
@@heavenandhello6629 The only reason he spoils you so much is because you're the Dragonborn. He doesn't care about you, he just wants someone that powerful to be in his pocket.
@@TheProtagonist37you could say that, but sometimes, we HAVE to trust it, like you don't always have to look at the negative side
one unspeakable act was committed in this video
I usually ditch the Blades straight after Alduin's Wall. Paarthurnax can point you towards Ohdaviing, so you don't need them at all after that quest. They can rot in their decrepit ruins as far as I care.
I'm watching this so that I never have to kill my boy for real
In all my years of playing, so many characters each taking a different path, I have never once even considered killer Paarthurnax.
that is why i prefer the blades in Oblivion rather then in skyrim because the Oath of the blades is to Protect the emperor thats was during the septim Dynasty but now is all gone that is why i prefer to spare Paarthurnax either he was a Henchmen of Alduin past is the past what does matter is he simply repaying his did.
By all I hold sacred... that's a Shout! Like the Greybeards on their mountain!
I’ve never once killed Paarthurnax and I never will. He’s my bestie
Out of all 66,000 lines of dialog recorded in Skyrim, I have most likely heard almost all of them. Except Arngeir's rage. I have never heard that dialog, because I have never, even in my most evil of playthroughs, killed Paarthurnax.
Good ol'Einarth doesn't judge he just stops addressing you everytime the dragonborn walks by. NPC's be like Einarth.
WARNING: watching more than 1:40 of this video may cause serious pain
Damn how I feel for Arngeir.
Oh I wish there was option to say Delphine: ,,If you want him dead then do it yourself". Then she's no longer essential and can be killed by our dovah friend.
The fact that you technically have to kill him for 100% makes me sad
I never killed Paarthurnax. It just felt wrong. Now I'm shown that doing so removes the repeat quest that Arngeir can give you that has you hunt down words of power? Even more reason to ignore that quest.
Paarthurnax wasn't resurrected by Alduin, meaning that throughout all the previous Elder Scrolls games, he was chilling atop the Throat of the World, hidden from outsiders.
I'd like to think my bro Caius Cosades, the old, moon-sugar loving Blade, is rolling over in his grave over these two morons. Delphine is pretty much saying that people can't get better, that we can't make up for our past crimes, that we can't learn a better way to be and change ourselves. Of course Paarthurnax did evil things at first, it was all he knew as a dragon. He is the one, though, that one day looked at the things he and his kin were doing and said "This is wrong". He is the one who gave up the end of one of his horns (still missing to this day) so Jurgen Windcaller could use it. He's the one who taught people how to use the voice, and use it to defend themselves. He turned things around for both himself and the people he helped. Honestly, he reminds me so much of Vegeta from the Dragonball series. Vegeta starts off evil, killing off entire populations of residents on planets so the planets can be sold in a galactic market for money. Long story short, he ends up having to work with Earthlings to fight off an even greater evil and eventually starts to learn to trust others and work alongside them rather than trying to kill them, and in the long run becomes a better person. He did far worse things than Paarthurnax did, and he readily admits it and even regresses once, but he became one of the best defenders of the Earth and their universe.
Me: Steals a tomato
Greybeards: So you have chosen... death.
Also me: kills their god
Greybeards: I am offended.... oh well
he didn't even fighted back at first, like "dragonborn, are you sure? well then."
Unbelievable, you, you killed him
Me realizing this is how my vanilla 100% playthrough will have to end
"Let me remind you, Delphine. The Blades are oath bound to serve the Dragonborn. Oath bound to serve me. And let me tell you, I've been doing a pretty good job without your help. To put it simply...'
_You_ need _me, I_ don't need _you!"_
"...back on our side."
Lady, I was never on your side to begin with.
I feel like a monster just watching this😂😭
Delphine: Asks me to kill partysnacks
Me: You just lost your essential NPC privileges
This is the only way I'll ever see this dialogue. I even downloaded the Paarthurnax Dilemma mod just so I can tell Delphine exactly where to shove her self righteous cocky bullshit.
Delphine: We have nothing to talk about until Paarthurnax is dead!
Esbern: You'll have to speak up. I'm a little deaf in my right ear.
I never thought I feel bad about killing a dragon in video game but here we are
"What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? Su'um ahrk morah,"
Achievement:What's wrong with you.
This is why i downloaded the paarthurnax dilemma mod
Killing Paarthunax should make the Greybeards spams shouts at you when you enters High Hrothgar.