David Haye: ‘I struggle to put Mike Tyson in top 5 of all greats’
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- Former world heavyweight champion David Haye on why he struggles to put Mike Tyson in the top five greatest heavyweight boxers of all time.
He joined Mike Costello and Steve Bunce to rewatch the night in 1988 when a 21-year-old Tyson was at his most fearsome in the ring, defeating Michael Spinks in 91 seconds.
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How is Haye discrediting Tyson by saying he never went longer than 6 rounds. That’s cos of how good he was
Who did tyson beat though?
@@stevewarn4398 ruddock, berbick, spinks,
@@mikeadams7904 washed up drug addicts and larry holms leftovers. FACTS!
Stephen Warn He dominated a prime Tucker. Tucker fought a prime Lewis years later, when he was washed up. And still gave Lewis a hell of a fight for 12 rounds. Tyson dominated like no other. Nobody even came close while in his prime. How many other heavyweights can you say that about, while they were climbing the ladder?
His best victory was against John Ruiz, lol!
I struggle to put haye in the top 500. Lol
andy smith agreed
Hahaha love it
That may be the case, but that doesnt mean he is incorrect here. Haye is right, Tyson isnt in top 5 of all time.
@@johngriffiths6742 definitely top 10
Well there's only been around 120 HW Champions so Haye, being a former heavyweight champion himself, would have to be in the top 50 or so heavyweights ever.
Hayes right when he says Tyson peaked early.
Face Tyson now Haye.I think he beats you I really do
Yeah, but that doesn’t disproves what David Haye was saying.
Obviously
@@davonbenson4361 Haye is wrong Tyson is in the top 5
Ben Matheson. If we’re going by talent and potential, I agree with you. However, it’s difficult to put him in the top 5, because of his resume.
David in your prime you were half decent to watch. That's as good as it gets for you. Tyson on the other hand, his name will ring loud as an unstoppable force of nature for generations to come.
It depends on the weight division that your talking about, because he’s one of the greatest cruiser weight fighters of all time.
Don't get caught up in the hype, I'm a huge Tyson fan and his potential especially with cus at his side paired with a clear head is through the roof, but that's all it is pure speculation. We can only deal with what we saw and what we saw was Tyson losing to less than elite fighters and when he came against the other greats of his era he lost(Larry Holmes and was old so I don't count that as a win against a great). Tyson's a great boxer but anybody who puts in the top 5 boxers of all time doesn't know what he/she's talking about.
@@Cerebral2ssasin Its not hype. And my point that Tyson shall be remembered as a force for generations to come within the boxing community stands. It's easy to focus on the negatives when all was falling apart but I choose to focus on the positives when Tyson had multiple 1st RD knockouts and was the youngest Heavyweight champion ever.
AJ said it recently in an Interview. The two people who stand out across the globe past and present when it comes to boxing are Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson. That was my point
@@Cerebral2ssasin what Larry Holmes was still great he was old but he was still great he became champion in 1992 i think so he still had It
Fuk yes mate very well said top man
He’ll probably blame his toe later for making that comment!
😂😂😂
lets be honest there are a sack full of reasons why Tyson lost fights he has the biggest bunch of excuses of any fighter known to man
The bloke chats out his ass
@mm. HaHaHa 😆😆😆😆😆
stephen tarr what excuses? Only one I remember was his broken back!
Tyson was the best fighter for me. I am 50 yrs old and the best I've seen.
Holyfield wooped his arse easy twice
@@lawrence9813 not the tyson I knew mate, he was surrounded by a den of vipers in those times.
@@galleon1968 he did he got beat easy twice by hollyfield even lennox beat him easy too lennox was a way better fighter than tyson by far
@@galleon1968 Tyson you knew fought bums.
Who did Tyson ever beat of note?
Tyson deserves more credit. He hit hard, was very agile, fast and sharp. Lets not forget he was shorter than many heavyweights he fought and had to overcome a reach advantage other fighters had over him. In his prime he was virtually unbeatable and doesn't matter if he was able to win in one round or five rounds.
So many excuses, how great Tyson was if he crumbled after firing one trainer? How great Rooney was if he didnt raise single HW champion and even Tyson himself was Cus Damato apprentice. Tyson could have fought Lewis in 96 but went with Holifield who lost 2 out of his last 3 fights, people just deny the fact that Tyson is overrated, he was great against low to mid tier oposition, but couldnt prove himself on the elite level, and his loss against fringe contender\journeyman doesnt make his legacy any better
Totally agree.
I also agree, and I grew up watching Tyson fighting... (actually I also worked as his bodyguard one evening in 2005...)
Prime Mike Tyson is no.1. Simple as that
Ali 1st Tyson 2nd Tyson says himself Ali number 1 sorry
@THE OUTLAW agree with Ali number 1
Ali is the greatest he beat the best outside his prime so he must be the greatest
Yall tripping man. Tyson gets the most excuses made for him. Hes not better than Holyfield Lewis Foreman Frazier Ali Dempsey. Tyson is so damn overrated. Idk care what no one says Tyson is not the 2and best HW of all time
@@danderson0510 Ali greatest that's all I know
For me Lennox Lewis arguably was the Best Heavyweight of ALL Time most definitely the very best out of the UK and of course the WORLD.
I agree. Even Foreman said Lennox is the greatest of all time. That's something coming from a man who has faced all time greats. Lewis will always be underrated, but for me, in his prime, Lewis had it all. Unstoppable IMO.
The 1986-1989 Tyson was as good as any great heavyweight champ, this was said by people like Ali, Foreman, Teddy and many others. Steve Bunce said it perfectly
David (I lost because my toe was sore) Haye dismissing Tyson is a bit laughable..
Why? He has given his opinion on boxing as a fan. If how good someone is at boxing is the criteria on whether they can give their opinion or not, then you probably shouldnt say anything cos your certainly not in Hayes league.
@@johngriffiths6742 never said I was.. however he said fury didn't have a chance against Wilder in either fight and Tyson wiped the floor with him in both fights. Haye only cares about his own PR and legacy . Simple as..clouds his rational
@@niadonnis he gave his opinion, thats all. Plenty people thought Wilder would win, were they all only interested in their own PR?
@@johngriffiths6742 most boxers are. Do you not listen to them ? 😆
@@johngriffiths6742 and I'm giving mine about his choices. Soo whats the point of you tryin to have a go at me then, if it's all about freedom of opinions ?
Does anybody ever listen to haye
Not in this house geezer
All this about a PRIME Mike Tyson! Tyson NEVER actually reached his prime ? He was a heavyweight champion of the world age 18/23.... In 1996 when Vs Holyfield he was not a prime
muhammad ali also missed his prime, during his prime he was banned as he refused to join the military
After prison he was never the same
@Kryptonite Ali is the greatest
Saqib another Muslim supporting another what a change. Tyson would have destroyed Ali. Ali is so famous because what he did out of the ring not in it.
@Kryptonite nonsense, Tyson looked better in the 2nd bruno fight after prison, then he did in the first fight, Matter of fact the first fight looked like tyson had just done 3 years prison.. Look at tyson fury, out the ring for 3 years on drug and alcohol, gains and loses a bunch of weight, comes back and destroys a undefeated reigning super champion.. there are no excuses for mike tyson. he was overrated.
Haye man Mike is NO1 YOUNGEST HW CHAMPION EVER! 👊👊👊
Tyson was never the same when he left Kevin ronney if you’ve read he’s book the drugs the alcohol he was consuming it’s a wonder how he’s still alive lol, when he went to prison at 24 and came out at 29 he was a shell of the fighter he was hollyfield, Lennox Lewis, Kevin Mcbride, Danny Williams they would never beat a prime Tyson wouldn’t even be close
Lewis and holyfeild would beat any tyson.. Right about Douglas Williams and McBride
Jigsey's Workshop Everyone’s got there own opinions
Jigsey's Workshop A younger Tyson was heavyweight champion of the world while Lewis was still in the Olympics.
He went to spar Tyson for the first time and there are reports of Lewis been eaten alive. Lewis has the footage of the sparring. I wonder why he hasn’t shown it to the world 🤔
Why did tyson pay Lewis to step aside 🤔
Lewis beats any Tyson for sure, but I believe Tyson would of beat Holyfield if they happened to fight while Tyson was still with Rooney.
Mike tyson was boxing....
The aura he created, the hype that followed everything we havnt seen anything close since..
Hype being the operative word
Could this be Haye trying to stir shit up and provoke Tyson into an exhibition fight?
Tyson wouldn't rise to it these days.
On Mike Tyson’s best nights, he was the greatest fighter of all time, period. Based on that alone, it’s more than enough!
Who dis he beat on his best night ?
@@DoggieNYC it’s not who they were. It’s the way he did it. He beat everyone they put in front of him from 86 to 90 and would of carried on doing that after 90 but obviously he had a lot of troubles. Lol. Overcoming those troubles makes him more of a champ to me than the boxing.
@@jimmychooquay Not, entirely. It is about who they beat and when in many cases. . Mike's biggest victory was vs Michael Spinks, who was Michael Spinks in the scheme of things ? Mike was a top 5 all time fighter talent wise, speed power etc..but career wise Mike isn't top 5 and lost more big fights vs the best opponents than he won. Mike's dominance was to short lived to be top 5. 3 years of dominance and 13 years of knocking out bums and collecting a paycheck thats not greatness.
@@jimmychooquay So Mike's best night was vs Spinks a cruiser weight who was also taking advantage of a soft HW division or maybe his best night was beating Holmes a legit all time great. But Holmes came out of retirement for that fight, he had been away for 2 years and took the fight on 4 weeks notice. Those are makes biggest victories. Ruddock maybe ? Rudduck got dropped by Lewis in 3 rounds exactly 1 year after his second match upbwith Mike. So what was a struggle for Mike was easy work for Lewis. Yeah the night Mike beat Spinks it was all downhill from there. Hard to be a fan of that.
@@DoggieNYC Spinks was no slouch. Olympic champion, 30+ fight undefeated. Spinks never laced up a pair of gloves again after fighting Tyson. If you’re old enough to remember 1986/87 you’ll remember the world went mad for Tyson. I can’t think of anyone since in sport that had that much interest. I put that down the the fact Tyson had a charisma that few people have. You don’t learn that in the gym. When you’ve been through the wringer and experienced life’s lowest of lows and the highest of highs and still be alive at the end then those people are universally appealing. Those people have the wisdom. Those people deserve admiration.
I rate the Ruddock’s and Mitch Green’s as boxers much more than the Dillian Whytes and Anthony Joshua’s. Yesterday’s boxers were generally in a different league. The only modern heavyweight that comes close is oddly Mike Tyson’s namesake.
Mike Tyson was high on cocaine for most of this earlier fights. When he faced real champions he struggled later on. One best KO artist for sure, top 5? Not for me
He overcame adversity twice in the Ruddock fights when he was out on his feet...and came back for the win.
People forget that, tyson was hurt by bombs in the 1st ruddock fight in the 6th round when ruddock tee'd off on mike, and mike just egg'd razor on tapping his chin saying hit me, you ain't hurting me, that mike was an animal, savage, also in the 2and ruddock fight tyson was badly hurt in the 9th or the 10th, and he still came back punching, ruddock was the only fighter that hit mike clean and mike would take his best shot and step forward, no other heavyweight at that time could take razors smash
Coming from Haye the worst annalyst in any sport in the whole world.
A lot of crap talked about Tyson. He came to the fore when the HW scene was at a low ebb in the post Larry Holmes period. He spent the 1980s beating up bums and Larry Holmes bridesmaids. His troubles with the law, his marriage, and his management have masked the truth that Tyson was never big enough to beat big talented fighters like Lewis and Bowe. His best wins just don't stack up: A dragged out of retirement Holmes, a blown up Spinks, and Razor ruddock?
Tyson's team knew he was vulnerable to the ambitious young blood that emerged in the 1990s. The list of fighters he avoided is stark: Bowe, Tua, Mercer, McCall, Witherspoon, Moorer, Vitali, and Morrison. He paid Lewis step aside money after a court ordered Tyson to fight Lewis rather than Bruce Seldon and only agreed to fight Lewis when he needed the pay day.
@UCfnLTQhSf_iwun0vRU4ocgw I did not say Tyson ducked those fighters. But unless you know something the rest of us don't, he did not fight any of these contenders either. Of those I listed I would give all of them a shot and only back Tyson to beat Morrison and Moorer. I don't suppose anyone gave Morrison much of a chance against Lewis either but they fought nevertheless. Both Lewis and Holyfield built up a decent resume of opponents but Tyson did not. Lewis beat Tyson, Holyfield, Ruddock, Tua, Vitali, Morrison, Mercer, and Rahman and "the next big things" like Grant and Briggs whereas once he had finished knocking over 1970s relics Tyson beat Ruddock and the likes of Bruno, and Bruce Seldon. Tyson's career best wins are a dragged out of retirement Larry Holmes, blown up LH Spinks, and Ruddock. He lost every potential career defining fight.
Wanting it to be true does not make it true and Tyson just does not stack up to the greats.....Ladies and Gentleman I rest my case.
Bollocks the heavyweight ere now is not half as good as the 80s or 90s
@@boxinghistorian2629 I agree but more entertaining does not necessarily mean the fighters of that era would beat today's fighters. In the same way that Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano and Floyd Patterson would not beat Ali and Foreman it is quite probable that only Bowe and Lewis from the 1990s would be able to contend with Fury and Joshua of today and in all likelihood none of the fighters from the 1980s. Size matters.
Watching a Tyson from the late 1980s fight Tyson Fury would be like watching a dad play wrestle his kid. You would be talking a man of less than 6' tall taking on a 6'9" giant and giving away 50lbs. A giant that knows how to fight.
Completely agree with everything you said. Be prepared for the 'But Tyson in his prime would destroy anyone' rebuttal.
@@AJ-nd4nk You can take your pick from any of:
1. If only Kevin Rooney.....
2. If only Gus........
3. If only Holyfield had not headbutted Tyson
4. If only Robin Givens........
5. If only Don King....
6. If only not gone to prison......
7. If only Lewis had fought Tyson on his pro debut and not after a couple of years......
8. If only the ref had counted out Buster Douglas.......
9. If only the ref had DQd Lewis for holding
10.If only Holyfield was not on on PEDs
11. If only all those fighters had not ducked him....what all of them?! It's a long list
12. If only Tyson had been in his prime......i.e. 23 years of age or younger for crying out loud
David Haye talking about himself again.
Yep and he was not great to watch
Prime Tyson would not beat a prime Ali. The Buster Dougles fight says so.
why do tyson fan boys freak out whenever somone doesnt bow down and treat him like a god ? its bizarre
Mike Tyson takes David Hayes jaw hostage still at the age of 53 . 💯
No shit
David Haye was and will always be a boxing joke. What an absolute fool. Even Ali stated that Tyson would have beat him. Tyson fought the absolute best for 30 years... All comers, all generations finest. In the second half of his career he was beat up physically, mentally, emotionally and financially. Give the guy a break and his dues. Tyson at his peak could not be stopped. In the end Tyson beat Tyson.
@@chrisl7333 Nope. Been watching Tyson since 1985 and Ali even longer. You're dead wrong. Tyson got hit many times in the early years (some dirty tactics against him as well) but he was a warrior that kept coming forward. Never complained just got on with it. Boxers were afraid of him because he could hit hard, had lightning speed, ring awareness, agility, accuracy a killer instinct, and could soak up hard knockout shots for 12 rounds. That is true heart! I'm tired of desk top analysts who feed lies. We've all seen with our own eyes and lived through his dominance over top contenders. At his peak he owned the heavyweight division. He had no equal. Like Maradona, Tyson pissed away his talent with poor choices. I've been a fighter and over time fighting takes it's toll on you mentally, emotionally and physically. Even though he was a shot fighter he still went to war and got up after being knocked down many times in his final fights... More Heart! In the end he couldn't keep up the pace or the over the top lifestyle and should have retired early in his career. He became a different person in the ring towards the end. Tyson is being measured post peak and that is unfair. By the same measure Ali wouldn't make the top 5 and Roy Jones wouldn't be considered a legend. It is a stupid analysis. As for him being a rapist? The American Judicial system is always right...ask OJ.
I agree Tyson was mostly feared due to his image (partly due to PR) as baddest man on the planet but fact is he lost to his two biggest rivals in his era in Lewis and Hollyfield.
Lewis is understandable cuz it was late in his career
@@akaykholwadia6411 He paid lewis 4 million in 1995 so that he wouldn't fight him. Tyson is just a bum.
How anyone can say Tyson is irrefutably the best is beyond me. He nigh-on killed 30-odd opponents and lost handily when he didn't. The fact that Tyson fought Holyfield and Lewis etc when he was past his best is almost entirely down to factors within Tyson's control.
You can argue that at his peak he would've beaten everyone but that's just conjecture. What you CAN do with confidence is consult his record and see that he lost fights he should've won and maybe would've won if he hadn't had such a short self-inflicted peak.
Clearly he was a troubled man who seems to have finally reached a position of personal comfort but you cannot theorise beyond this to state his predominance in retrospect.
In other words, Haye is at least partially correct.
Best Ali 60's would beat best tyson , inmho beat any heavyweight of any era.
Tyson at his peak doubt would beat Lewis at his peak.
I'm a huge tyson fan was devasted when he lost to buster.
Tyson peaked young so haye was right in that regard. Mike had a horrible upbringing and all the drugs, pussy , don king and leeches he had went against him.
@@mikeadams7904 he had a difficult journey true.
He was one of the best heavyweights and could have been better.
Ali imho never fully recovered from jail term and his commitment outside of the ring.
Had Ali fully focused on boxing and nothing else he would have been a better boxer and probably retired undefeated.
Queue lots of "Prime Mike Tyson" comments. Whilst ignoring he never beat the elite guys post Buster Douglas. Lennox Lewis was better and his record proves it beyond doubt.. How many losses did Tyson avenge for starters?. He was a talented physical specimen that destroyed his opponents at a freakishly young age. But as soon as he was found out, he lacked mental fortitude and professionalism required to adapt and grow. Make excuses regarding Cus, Rooney or Don but Mike's his own man and so is responsible for his own actions. There are atleast 5 Heavyweights better than Tyson if we look at records objectively. That's not even debatable.
Haye would feel that left hook to the body and ask himself wtf did I get myself into.
Tyson was the most charismatic with ALi but he's nowhere near top 5 ever boxingwise
Haye is right.
Prime tyson last very little 4 5 years max and he fought no one near prime Lenox or klischko level.
Lewis whooped him ,granted, tyson was past his prime but so was Lewis..
Tyson is overrated boxing wise,he's an iconic figure but not top5
Everyone Talks about Mike Tyson being in his prime. Holyfield was older and passed his prime also. Lennox Lewis wasn't in his prime also. Prior before Tyson lost to Douglas he was knocking out everyone. He loses to Douglas, he didn't train. He loses to holyfield, he was passed his prime. He loses to Lennox Lewis, he was on Meds. The better man won the fight. Mike Tyson didn't know what to do when he wasn't intimidating his opponents and they were fighting back.
Everyone stop making excuse after excuse for Tyson Everytime he lost theres a excuse, he just got his ass beat the fuck up by holyfield 2x and before anyone says that wasn't the same Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson was coming off 8 wins before fighting Holyfield and holyfield not even a proper heavy weight he was a cruiser weight and still beat the dog shit out of him. And as for buster Douglas ,Tyson wasn't at his best but surely someone as good as Mike Tyson don't have to be at his best to beat Buster Douglas thats just a joke, we see boxers all the time not have a good night and still get the job done in the ring against lesser fighters.
The amount of hate in the comments towards David Haye for having an opinion is unreal. Whatever you wanna say about his heavyweight career nobody can say a thing about his credentials as a boxer, he was unified cruserweight champion and has the right to share his opinion just as much as half the keyboard warriors who have never had a fight in there life let alone boxed in the ring.
Truth hurts!!! You people can call David Haye names because he told the truth about Mike Tyson, but that's not gonna change the fact about Tyson.
1)Tyson lost to every all-time great HW boxer
2) Undefeated 23 years old Tyson lost to an underdog Douglas.
That Tyson of 86-88 is the GOAT 👍
ALI
Yeah the 1986 tyson who nearly lost to james tillis... please
@@joejoyce9979 Zzzzzzzzz
Maybe that’s just his opinion. Everybody can have different opinion right??
Haye hasn’t got a clue!! Neither does Mike Costello with his opening statement! Have these guys not seen The 2 Razor Ruddock wars when he made his comeback after Douglas???
Two wars against the biggest puncher of the time!! Buster Douglas had to kill Tyson to beat him!! So did Holy!!
To Answer David’s question, Mike was behind on all score cards, lost every round and was really getting out boxed big time before he knocked out Frans Botha!! So there’s 3 fights minimum, 2 Razor wars and fight vs Botha where he was losing and found the KO when needed!
Just to note, Tyson also went distance vs Mitch Green, Quick Tillis, Bonecrusher and Tony Tucker, he won them all! Actually undefeated in fights that went the distance!
Tyson wasn’t as sharp when he fought Ruddock. Despite beating him. When Rooney was gone, Tyson was gone. This was very noticeable before the Ruddock bouts. The first Bruno bout is when Rooney wasn’t in his corner, and it was evident that he just wasn’t the same fighter
The truth is if you do your research and look at Tyson's opponents you realise he shouldnt be ranked as high as people do. What top level contenders did he actually defeat? Sure he beat an old larry holms and the light heavyweight spinks. Who else? I mean credits due where credits due with him being the youngest champion and having good power but unfortunately what ifs and knockout highlights on youtube dont make him one of the greats. Even I wonder how good he could have been if Cus hadnt have died.
Edward Scaman Yeah the light heavy legend who beat Dwight Muhammad Qawi?? The light heavy who beat Gerry Cooney?? Are you talking about the “light heavy” who beat Larry Holmes, twice??
This would be like Usyk coming through and beating Wilder before beating Tyson Fury, twice! Then a 20 year old coming through just now and beating both Usyk and Fury in a combined total of 5 rounds!!
Short memories!
@@liamkeogh5135 None of the guys you mentioned that Tyson beat are no where near the top 20 greatest heavyweight boxers of all time
@@liamkeogh5135 Liam Keogh
Before the first bout between michael spinks, holms' last six opponents had been at national level. And after the losses to spinks and Tyson he fought no one of note except the ones at the end of their career. Gerry Cooney, the heavyweight that lost everytime he stepped up, which wasnt that often. And Qawi the Light Heavyweight??
He did do it against Buster Douglas tho thats what people forgot, especially those who didn't watch the fight.
Mike knocked Buster down for 13 seconds with 1 shot when he was behind and really needed it.
But the ref didn't count buster Douglas out.
Mike Tyson got up on 9 against Douglas but got counted out.
In that fight he showed the ability to pull it out the bag when he was down on the scorecards, and also to get up when down and behind.
The "long count" also happened with Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney so a bit of a case of history repeating itself.
And yet Tyson was stopped against Douglas so he didn't "pull it out" in any way shape or form. This is the same man who capitulated against Holyfield by biting a chunk of his his ear off when he was having his ass handed to him for a second time. This is also the man who got stopped after taking a beating from Lewis and even Danny Williams; all he proved is that he could take a licking....but still lose the fight.
I daresay you will trot out the usual excuses....head butting, past his prime, lardidardidar
@@Kaiserbill99
I dare say you clearly haven't watched the Tyson/Douglas fight to make that silly comment.
Yes he did pull it out. Mike knocked buster douglas down for 13 seconds, which means Mike should have won by a KO.
Also Mike got up on 9,(After he had knocked douglas down) so whether he should have been counted out was debatable.
Its the same thing that happened to Jack Dempsey vs Gene Tunney in the famous Long Count fight.
But you clearly have no interest in the facts just another uhhh uhhh but buster douglas beat him lardidardidar (without even watching the fight and seeing what happened)
@@lukaszm7378 Let me look up the Buster Douglas long count on my list of Tyson fan excuses. Oh yes number 8. Shit happens he needed to overcome it and still win.
1. If only Kevin Rooney.....
2. If only Gus........
3. If only Holyfield had not headbutted Tyson
4. If only Robin Givens........
5. If only Don King....
6. If only not gone to prison......
7. If only Lewis had fought Tyson on his pro debut and not after a couple of years......
8. If only the ref had counted out Buster Douglas.......
9. If only the ref had DQd Lewis for holding
10.If only Holyfield was not on on PEDs
11. If only all those fighters had not ducked him....what all of them?! It's a long list
12. If only Tyson had been in his prime......i.e. 23 years of age or younger for crying out loud
@@Kaiserbill99 Its not an excuse or an "if only" its a fact, a tangible ,measurable truth.
Mike Tyson Legitametely knocked down buster douglas for 13 seconds thats a KO.
so don't try mixing it up with your silly "if only robin givens " etc thats just ridiculous.
So to say he didn't pull it out when he knocked Buster Douglas down for 13 seconds is wrong.
"he needed to overcome it and still win"
If you knock your opponent down for 13 seconds thats a KO thats the rules.
end of the fight, difficulty already overcome, nothing more to overcome.
@@lukaszm7378 Well that's not actually correct. I refer you to a Washington Post article entitled "Rule Is Ten Count, Not 10 seconds":
"Once the ref picks up the count, that's the official count," referee Mills Lane, who regularly works fights in Nevada, told the Associated Press.
Speaking of referee Octavio Meyran and his controversial count in the eighth round of the Mike Tyson-Buster Douglas fight in Tokyo, Lane said: "If {Meyran} erred, you can't penalize Douglas. He looks at the ref. He has no way of knowing anything else. He depends on the ref for the call. . . . If the ref was off, how can you penalize the fighter?"
When Meyran picked up the count on Douglas, he reportedly did so at "one" rather than "three" or "four," which is where the Tyson-Douglas timekeeper is said to have left off.
According to the rules of the New York and New Jersey boxing commissions, a knockout is not necessarily 10 seconds, but rather a count of 10.
"A 10-count is not done by a stopwatch," said Larry Hazzard, a former referee and now chairman of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board. "That's splitting hairs. The question is, did the fighter beat the count and can he continue?"
So there you have it. Douglas was looking at the ref for the count and that is all that matters. He beat the count and was ready to continue. Tyson was not in a position to continue and the fight was stopped.
But irrespective of whether Douglas should have been counted out the fact remains that Tyson got beaten up by Buster Douglas who achieved little else in his career.
Haye isn’t in the top 20 lol
Just isn’t true
At least Haye was giving Deontay lessons in sparring which obviously many people couldn't do.
David haye I use respect the guy but he's a clown if he says mike Tyson ain't in is top 2 never mind too 5 the guys a joke
Really mikes reign was not long and lack of world class opponents is why i don't have tyson in top 7
I wouldn't put Mike in my top 5 either. Holyfield and Lewis were better, thats before we get to Ali. Tyson never really won against the very best. Spinks was a light heavyweight and Holmes was way past his best.
Tyson ain't top ten sorry mate he's was great for 2years
He's not top 2 he's top 3
Top 2 is Ali Louis or Louis.1 Ali.2 Tyson.3
Mike Tyson top 10 best I rate holyfield and Lewis miles ahead of him
He’s completely right, Tyson lost to all elite fighters.
Naah he won against a few and lost against a few just like any other HW
@@theinformationbomber7102 what elite boxer did he beat?
@@marineworld6335 what would you describe as elite ?
@@theinformationbomber7102 Lewis, holiyfield, Ali, Frazier, Foreman,klitshko, in their prime. The fact is he never beat a elite boxer.
@@marineworld6335 if Tyson didn't beat an elite boxer than neither did Ali nor did foreman and neither did anyone else
It's that simple
Lewis
Ali
Louis
Dempsey
Holmes
most of the boxing experts struggle to put tyson in the top 5. the way he lost to douglas, holyfield and lewis put him out of the top 5 for sure. The fact is he never showed the ability to come from behind when hurt. A real champion can't have this weak point.
I'd have loved to see a prime 1950s sonny liston vs mike tyson
What people fail to recognise, or ignore, unfortunately enjoy hating on him. Tyson was 45-1 going into the Holyfield fight which is phenomenal when you consider Floyd was 50-0 , he was very close to that. He would of been 46-0 if he had Kevin Rooney in his corner & actually trained hard for that Douglas fight. He fought Holyfield after 3 years in jail & 4 years, 3 months of inactivity. It went 11 great rounds imo and Holyfield another great fighter win but although Holyfield was older, and people got hyped with Tyson upon his jail release. It was Tyson who had deteriorated worse as a fighter. Definitely unconditioned to do 12 good rounds & had lost a lot of the skills & sharpness that made him great. He was much more hittable by this point. Tyson deserves still to be top 5 imo. 1985-1990 stats - He became the youngest heavyweight champion ever aged just 20.
He became the first to unify all the belts in history.
The first heavyweight champion in a decade since the great Muhammad Ali to become undisputed heavyweight champion.
He beat the lineal heavyweight champion Spinks.
He made 10 title defences, 9 successful.
He beat faced 9 of the top 10 ranked heavyweight fighters during in his run.
He had accomplished all this by the age of 25 & 41-1 going into prison. That is phenomenal nobody has ever done that by the same age ever.
Sacking Kevin Rooney was the start of his downfall but what a career & anyone who says he was as good when he fought Holyfield etc... isn’t being impartial. I get your a huge Holyfield fan etc... I get it I am too I love Evander as a fighter he one of my favourite fighters ever but it’s clear looking back Tyson was a shell. By the time Lennox fought him... the wheels were completely off. It was a real shame seeing the mental breakdown of Tyson after his jail release. Today, he’d be in a much better place as mental health is talked about openly and he would of got the support and help at a young age which would of helped him immeasurably. But back in 1995 it was still rarely spoken openly about and he had to put on the ‘baddest of the the planet’ front. But in prefer to remember the 41-1 pre prison Tyson. The Berbick, Tucker, Holmes, Spinks, Thomas, Ruddock fights which define him. Mike Tyson is one of the greatest of all time and I for one loved watching him fight.
Holyfiled embarrassed Mike in both fights, it wasn't close in my opinion. He laid traps for Mike all night. One of the easier nights of work your gonna see Holyfiled have. Mike was good for 3 years and thats about it. The rest was a money grab.
Haye bottled it against Fury he simply got scared .. and here the testical thinks he can comment on Mike Tyson
"he simply got scared .." He had major re-constructive shoulder surgery that kept him out of the ring for three years, costing him millions and the doctors said he would never be able to fight again.. Do Fury fans even think before they type shit out?
@@grahamtaylor8912 they don't know the simple facts
Some really embarrassing comments on here. 'David Haye was rubbish so he can't have an opinion'. I presume these are from full grown men as well. Really strange behaviour how adults can get so worked up & personally hurt over someones opinion on a sport they were in. They really seem to struggle to understand that just because someone doesn't think Tyson was top 5, thats somehow a personal insult!! Crazy. Haye achieved something very few have, and was a fantastic cruiserweight who had no real right to be Heavyweight champion, but achieved it.
It is.. "Derp Haye should STFU." Is all they have.
Tyson Vs Haye!! Bring it on!! 🥊
KO for Tyson in the 2nd round
No way Tyson could be even in a top 10. Great boxer, of course, but the competition is just incredible.
My god...young Tyson destroys everyone
@@chriswickham1279 young Tyson lost to buster douglas
Ali is the greatest that's all
Even if Tyson isn’t number one, let’s be real whoever fights Tyson on a good Tyson night is in for a major war. He had a hard chin and one time shots didn’t put him down. Lewis did put him down with one shot but let’s be real that wasn’t the real Tyson. He will be talked about for a very long time for his brutality and relentless when attacking his opponents. That’s what separated him from a lot of other fighters.
Tyson in his prime would destroy anyone. If he had been able to spend more time under d’amato’s wing I think it would’ve helped ground him better and may have avoided the troubles he ran into which affected his boxing.
Ali
Nikolai Valuev in his prime is the NO.1, he destroys everyone
The way he destroyed David Haye was amazing. And let's not forget when he took Chagaev to school.
I respect Haye, but the argument has holes. The 80's Tyson was on drugs and hookers. The 80's Tyson was a student of the game and a gym rat, with proper mentorship.
The reason you never saw him past 7 rounds was because he was putting everyone, again, everyone away prior.
Also, the argument that fighter not being great if never tested from acute adversity; kinda goes out the window when you consider Mayweather Jr. Who has rarely if ever been in trouble in a fight.
*the 80's Tyson wasn't on drugs...
And also when Mike Tyson got out of prison he owe taxes and had tremendous pressure on him coming out of prison and people don't understand it is entirely difficult to box when you have all these things hanging over your head all the time Mike Tyson is a great person because of the adversity that he went through in life and he was able to survive for that alone he should held as one of the all-time greats owing those taxes to the IRS he was facing a possibility of more prison time if he couldn't pay he had to box for freedom and his wellbeing how many human beings you think can go through that type of pressure in life and still be able to survive the struggle like Mike Tyson did he's truly one of the all-time greats💯👍✊💪⚡
David haye talks shite.he said the same about tyson fury.when fury battered wilder he was best fighter I've seen.mike tyson would have beat any one when he was right in the head. Who did hayes win
He had to come over adversity in a lot of fights the razor ruddock fights was tough the Bruno fights were tough there's quite a few fights were he had to overcome adversity
It's his opinion and seemed well argued.. Respect to Haye, I'd suggest he's more than earned an opinion
What's Haye know..
Mike Tyson is the best heavyweights champion of all times
Tyson doesnt belong in top 5
Tyson was sooooo dangerous before that Don King/ Robin Givens era, that people actually critique him for it, since no one could stay in the ring with the guy. They question his late round performance, and speculating that he couldn't do well, late in fights. Young, hungry Tyson had a neck like a bull, and moved, much more than the one that fought Holyfield, Lewis. He had a totally different hunger for boxing. Once he lost that hunger, he was dangerous, yes, but not as lethal, hence the later losses of his career.
Tyson is overrated. A great fighter is someone who dominates for years and years. How long did Mike dominate for?
A great fighting career maybe not but a great fighter he was. He was making bad life choices at the age of 20 and his career fell apart. The fact he had achieved it all before 20 is incredible in itself. He is in better shape now than he was in the mid 90s
Well marciano had only an 8 year career before retiring with only 6 title defences & apart from 1 fight against ezzard Charles who was still a bit battle worn, the best fighters he fought like walcott, Louis etc... were over the hill fighters. He’s considered great. Tyson was 41-1 aged 25 going into prison. That’s phenomenal. 4 plus years of inactivity ruined him when but he still won 2 world titles again but never looked the same fighter. People talk like Tyson was finished when he fought douglas but that’s silly. He went on after that to beat Alex Stewart, an underrated fighter! He Beat foreman & got robbed, had two wars with Holyfield! He could punch! A peak Ruddock, Bruno, golota, Botha etc... still good wins despite not being at his best.,
@@tonyh8965 Fair point.
Well - Haye! YOU step in & make him "dig deep"😉
I give you 2nd round 2 min MAX!
you wouldn't live till 6/7😂
Haven’t they seen Tyson v Razor Ruddic fight
Tyson vs ruddock
David Haye you let yourself down here. Tyson did take some heavy blows off a lot of fighters, one being razor ruddock, and came through and showed intimate heart to win
Lol, if someone has rarely struggled in 95% of his fights, shouldn't that be a tribute to his greatness? Lewis went life and death with Ray Mercer (a fight which some people felt he lost), Bruno (someone Tyson steam rolled twice). Evander Holyfield had 2 brutal wars with Alex Stewart (Tyson destroyed Stewart in round 1), Holmes lost 2 fights against Spinks (Tyson destroyed spinks in 90 minutes).
He is held to a higher yard stick compared to other boxers
Firaas Ahmed 90 seconds**
You are being very selective. Tyson did not fight any of: Vitali, Mercer, Morrison, Bowe, or Tua. Lewis fought and beat all of them bar Bowe who infamously refused to fight him. Holyfield beat Bowe. Lewis demolished Ruddock and Tyson was taken the distance. Lewis beat Holyfield and was robbed of a second victory. Tyson was stopped by Holyfield.
Tyson lost every meaningful fight and spent the 1980s beating up bums and 1970s relics.
Tyson was mismanaged n never had a chance to even hit prime,yet he was knocking out prime fighters..haye a hater n was so so
If Kevin Rooney was such a great trainer how many world champions as he train since ?
Haye is a muppet.
my opinion prime Tyson vs. prime
Ali- Ali wins easily too fast, too slick, always hit harder than people gave him credit for.
Louis- Louis in a close fight. Plenty of power, better boxer, heart of a warrior. Tyson good enough boxer and has a punchers chance, though Lois was known to have survived some monstrous punchers.
Frazier- Frazier in a war. Bob and weave with vicious inside game before Tyson made it his own.
Dempsey- Tyson by relentless pressure is a vicious but relatively short fight.
Holmes- Tyson, but if Holmes uses his jab, one of the best of all time, and keeps Tyson at arms length, there could be an upset.
Holyfield- Holyfield was just more warrior, simple as that.
So what if Ali had not been banned from boxing in his peak years?Can you imagine how much BETTER the greatest would have been?
I just don't see Tyson living with any of these greats from the 70's as these were 15 round fighters who fought each other and fought regularly.
Every time Tyson had to dig deep he came up short against quality opponents (bearing in mind Douglas Holyfield and by then Lewis were not on the same caliber as your Ali's/Holmes,Frazer,Forman and nortons of this world).I was lucky enough to watch these and it is definitely not nostalgia!
After Muhammad Ali refused to fight Ken Norton in 1978 ,WBC strip belt and same years Larry Holmes starts dominating in WBC but same time there is another champion who holds WBA Title . all this years until 1983 were 2 heavyweight champions . but in 1983 new weight class was created IBF and than we had 3 heavyweight champions. after that Larry lost title against Spinks. so people who loved boxing wanted one champion and not crab what was happening at that time . *Mike Tyson* comes in boxing as *messiah* he beats WBC champion Trevor and wins WBC . than he beats WBA champion James Smith and wins WBA.than he beats IBF champion Tony Tucker. He holds all 3 Titles . 10 years of confusing was over . than he beats undefeated champion Spinks and wins The Ring heavyweight titles. he may was not fighting all time greats but he did the most you can do at the time were everyone thought there would not be one champion *One True Champion*. so yes he is in top 5 all time greats .
Tyson was one of the most exciting fighters we've had, I rarely agree with Haye. But to be objective, Tysons prime was just about 3 yrs. One can't write his loss to holyfield as just washed up tyson because Holyfield was past it as well (4yrs older than him). A true champion could face adversity and be consistent, Tyson didn't have that. But still a great fighter anyways, just not an all time great in my opinion 🤷🏽♂️
Does anybody take what Haye says seriously?? Every fight he's been used as a pundit on Sky he's failed with almost all of his predictions...notably Wilder v Fury 2. He knew how hard Wilder could punch and there was no way Fury should hunt that guy down 🤣🤣 spot on David. Now Tyson not in top 5 of heavyweights??? Laughable🤣
Tyson not being top 5 ain't that bad, because there have been so many great heavyweights, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, Foreman, Holyfield, and many more..... BLESS
Frank Bruno fought Tyson twice and got his ass kicked thoroughly both times. Enough said. This idea that to be 'one of the greats' your whole career has to be great from top to bottom is nonsense. Look at Andre Agassi's first half of his tennis career. Look at the last half of Gazza's career. David Haye is too young to have been alive when Tyson was actually fighting. No boxer has ever carried that much financial 'marketing' prowess. Not even Ali himself. People were instinctively 'terrified' of Tyson. Even fans of him. The problem with Tyson was that D'amato only trained him 100% in close quarter fighting almost as a gimmick and never trained him to maintain the kind of stamina necessary to last plenty of rounds. I don't think that was somehow a 'talent' shortfall with Tyson. Close 'quick' combat was Tyson's strength. And after D'amato died, his head was all over the place as agents and promoters were stealing all of his money left and right. And then there was the whole 'rape' scandal. And it was mostly too late to change Tyson's boxing style at that point. David Haye has never fought a fighter like Tyson, end of. David Haye is the 'Rola Cola' of British boxers.
I think he's right, the top 5 all time don't have to go "if"
Exactly. Imagine how much of a subjective fans these people are when they are building the case for Tyson on "what if". Tyson didn't overcame a single one adversity in and out of ring.
I'd put holyfeild lenniox Lewis Mohammed Ali a young George foreman a young Larry Holmes possibly sonny liston and maybe just maybe Joe Luis Rocky Marciano and Joe Frazier all ahead of Mike tyson. But I will admit because it was so many yrs ago Marciano and Joe louis and Frazier not sure how they would match up now days because of there small size. Also Tyson furry would be a tough match up for alot of past fighter he's so big with good boxing skill. Mike Tysons resume wasn't that great in terms of not beating any great fighters his best victory was probably against razor rudduck because he was a hard puncher and dangerous but the other great fighters beat him. Blame it on what u want but it's Tysons fault
In looking back at mike Tyson he’s easily won the heavyweight title against burbick at 20 years old but he’s won it so young he was a kid in mans body , then cus died and shook him to the core and at 25 years old had gone off the rails ( mainly cocaine ) but the mike from 20-25 would beat anyone IMO 🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊
I think Haye is right in as far as he goes but what he's not making any allowance for is that even before he fought Buster Douglas Tyson was already in decline. Once Tyson split with Rooney it was a long downward spiral. Tyson is my favourite fighter but I agree with Haye, he never showed the kind of fighting heart that we saw from Ali, or Frazier or Foreman. But then very few did.
So the question then is; are we judging Mike Tyson at his peak or over his career? The answer to that has a lot to do with where you would place Tyson in the all-time pantheon. Regardless of the answer he remains my all time favourite, along with Nigel Benn. They were both so exciting!
I agree with Haye and it’s fine if you don’t but if anyone puts Mike Tyson as the #1 best of all time then they don’t know about boxing. In his ‘prime’ Tyson beat an old Holmes, a natural light heavyweight Spinks and a couple other heavyweights like Berbick who were pretty standard world champions and nothing special. That is nowhere near enough to earn the #1 spot not top 5 in my books.
Watch round 8 if the Tyson v Ruddock rematch. Ruddock is close to knocking Tyson out, even the British commentary say how Tyson was near going down, but he holds on and fights back. A lot of fighters would have been knocked cold after a barrage like that from Ruddock. It’s not much but it is a small bit of proof Tyson could fight through a rough patch. Think it was that round but u see multiple tines Tyson was hurt in that fight but he remained determined. For Haye to say Tyson never faced any form Of adversity is a surprise, I thought he knew his stuff. This doesn’t mean I think Tyson was the best ever, but the proof is on tape, he could lose control of a fight and bring it back. As well as this, you can’t hold success against him either, a lot if the time he was too good to face adversity.
Prime Tyson not only would beat Holyfield or anyone in history but do so in first round as he did
We grew up Tyson fans, and lived the ferocity of that era, and had Mike kept the discipline there's no doubt he'd have reigned supreme far longer. That said, re Tyson's losses, it was still Tyson's responsibility to bring the "best him" fully prepped, to a fight, which would have shut up the objectors and certainly avoided allot more of his losses that eventually followed, but he didn't.
Tbh, someone else here summed it up good by saying... the difference between maybe an Ali and a Tyson is that Ali could still beat the best of his time whilst "out" of his peak prime, which would have been before being stripped of his boxing licence..
Though, Luv him or hate him , there's no denying Tyson's indelible mark on the sport of boxing 🥊..
This isn't a controversial opinion. Tyson in the mid to late 80's was brilliant to watch but that doesn't make him a top five all-time great. Or even a top five all time Heavyweight. Tyson's biggest win was probably against a way past his best, about to retire Larry Holmes. And Holyfield smashed Tyson to bits. These are facts.
Anyone who has Mike Tyson top 5 all time simply does not watch enough boxing, end of story.
So it's his fault he's knocking to early. Tyson was the youngest heavyweight ever put some respect on his name
I think David haye doesnt think properly. Compare his best the best of his adversaries. And worst with worst of his adversaries. Not his worst with best of his adversaries. David is missing out a point. And u have to know that, it was probably meant for him to lose that way. And another thing is that why dont u speak of those games that Examples of Holifield lost totally and there was no come at all like u said for mike. A good fighter knows when he is not in position and will calm down and plan another fight. Its not the way u think. I bet u have never been in any fight boss. Dont use feelings because fighting is no joke.
Why would he go many rounds yet his opponent is poor. His quality couldn't take him for all that....much rounds. It was a waste of time....resource and energy. Why would he go for all that.....yet he sees an open jaw to crack. David u need to think mature.....come spare with me and u will know how it feels like.
Tyson was great in a watered down division for 3 years, went to jail for 3 and was a pretender for 10. Because of this he is not top 5 all time.. At his best he was as talented as any HW ever but he rounds out the bottom of the top 10 or begins the next 10.
I think Tyson is one of the most exiting heavyweights ever but I don't think he would-knock out Lewis or even Bowe!!as good as he was I think he was to small to beat big men that good and that strong and who wasn't scared of him .
Tyson was an absolute beast but by the time he faced anyone worth mentioning he just wasn’t himself.. There’s no point arguing about the ‘what ifs?’ Because we will never know
3:22 none......but there were very competitve fights where he got the job done. Razor Ruddock gave him 2 hard fights and Bruno wasnt a push over either.........Botha, was way behind on points but stuck to a very simple but workable game plan, and prevailed.
People bitching and crying like haye has a personal agenda, when he’s bang on, remember guys just cause your a fan of someone it doesn’t mean everyone else has to regard them, Tyson was great in a weak stagnant division and then when he had to step up he lost, now I do agree when he was on point and focused he was a dangerous maybe even the best but we don’t know that, so what true boxing fans work with is a factual record and mikes alone doesn’t hold the much weight to the others