Why is Carl so terrified of people with dyed hair and body modifications? I don't remember Orwell mentioning the tyranny of pastel hair colors in 1984.
In know it's a late response but the legit answer is that they are afraid of any woman who does something for herself and not for the male gaze. "I am not attracted to women with pink hair and pierced eyebrows therefore pink hair and pierced eyebrows scare me as they signify that this woman is not trying to attract me as a mate".
When attempting to talk to an actual feminist, not a cardboard cut-out, Sargon starts robotic spouting empty pre-prepared phrases and buzzwords like some kind of phoney, intellectually impoverished career politician. Guess that's what he meant by "over-prepared". Also, seeing Sargon laugh at a description of sexual assault pretty much says everything that can be said about what kind of person he is.
Why do they keep saying universities are corrupting “children”? University students are all consenting adults who CHOSE to take these courses. So stupid
@@tylerene THIS!! these people think they are like.... courageous and heroic for agreeing with centuries of traditional ideals that aren't going away anytime soon. it's not "brave" at all to be misogynistic, racist, capitalist, homophobic, etc., because those are definitely still the prevailing ideals in Western society.
That's the game these right wing pundits play. They set up moral standards and dont follow them, and then point the finger at you and say, "Oh my look at how unreasonable *you* are," while they're still being unreasonable towards you.
Although I really do not like Kristi Winters either. She always seems too condescending... have all people ever forgotten how to try and convince someone of their point? This discussion with Sargon is probably the most likeable I have ever seen her though, to be fair, so maybe I got a false idea of her character from the "questions for... men" or something like that... video. Cause her points in that video were just... let's say she is not gonna convince anyone with that xD
@@Zweyrohn When it comes to women in debate, the well is already poisoned (you probably already know that fallacy by now, but just in case search for "poisoning the well"). The bias against them has already been internalized thanks to overt and covert messaging meant to downplay womens' intelligence and competence. I am not saying that you are biased. But I do think that it is something all of us should consider when we find ourselves not liking a certain woman and the points she's making, but can't articulate on why.
@@FeministCatwoman I kinda know what you mean, but I can tell you why I do not like her. In the videos I habe seen of her, and I know that it ain't many, she talked down to people on the opposing side of the argument. It may well be that she didn't mean that, but it came across that way, specifically in the video I mentioned.
Jeremias Astorga The intros for the two of them are incredibly telling to anyone with a brain. "Kristi: PhD, involved in numerous activisty feminist stuff and contributes to numerous organizations in pursuit of equality." "Sargon: a guy who makes TH-cam videos."
@@Omegon8536 I guess next time you need to ha a surgery done on you, you just go and get axed by the crackhead at the nearest gas station, since college education is just indoctrination.
Why aren't these people letting me express my opinion, and not letting me suppress their opinions???? Hypocrite much??????? Edit- This is unintentionally the most meta comment I've ever written
It would he a shame if a string of non crimes in OK occurred against rape apologists, specifically men who support this guy and think hes great. I would feel many feels for them, what with them finding it so funny.
It seems to be a very common issue amongst the right wing. They project so hard they are like a focussed beam of pure ignorant hatred burning through the wall.
that lady talking to sargon has my whole respect, i hope she knew she was heading into a conversation with a brick and did it to cultivate her patience, thats all that dude is good for
Her name is Kristi Winters and she handled herself VERY well against a petulant galaxy brain that wouldn't even let her answer the question he was demanding she answer.
Lockheed Martin has been advertising how woke and "progressive" they are for a while now. Because destabilizing other countries is A-OK as long as rich women get to do it too
The irony of the cartoon is staggering. "These people are demanding that institutions get rid of things that 'offend' them. So now I'm demanding that institutions get rid of things that offend me."
This is Sargons entire stick though. He sees an article demanding the Mens rights activists to be called a terrorist group by the government (an idea just crazy btw) and instead of defending the MRA or rising above such nonsense, he basically commits the exact same "crime" by demanding feminism to be called a mental illness. I do not know why he is filled to the brim with just... so much hate... I hope they do not invite him to next myth con, he is giving discussion and reason a bad rap... people like him only serve to radicalise an already bad situation.
I know this comment is old but also the redundancy of depicting "big gov" and "big business" alongside the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Maybe if he had taken an actual sociology course instead of throwing darts at a board to guess what they're really about he'd know why that comic is an absolute joke
Kris Nelson I'm about 85 percent sure that Sargon probably only googled the definition instead of actually reading into what makes something a mental Illness
Yes, because feminists are all "retarded" (egh even typing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth) idiots, even though they regularly cite more sources, have more facts to back up their claims, and generally, better editing, sound quality, joke writing, etc.
Sacred, Nothing is Which doesn't mean all feminists support pedophilia. Also, the other side does too. A Britebart writer was outed for pedophilia towards young men, and multiple people from the right supported him. I, am, of course, not going to say that all members of the right support pedophilia, because that would be wrong and hypocritical. I'll find the source for this real quick. Also, you didn't give sources for the other 2.
"Feminism is Orwell's nightmare come to life," Sargon. ...Has this guy...actually read 1984? Part of Winston's interest in Julia was her expression of bodily autonomy against the sexually repressive society. Just...If you're going to cite famous dystopian fiction...maybe...try to demonstrate a basic understanding of it?
I know, it's so frustrating when antifeminists compare feminism to big gov in 1984 especially considering the multiple places Orwell makes points in line with feminism in it.
@@absolutezero6190 i kinda think that's the thing that he said too . julia said And do you know what I’m going to do next? I’m going to get hold of a real woman’s frock from somewhere and wear it instead of these bloody trousers. I’ll wear silk stockings and high-heeled shoes! In this room I’m going to be a woman, not a Party comrade she literally wants to fight the patriarchy and sexually repressive government . you know something that sargon and his pals are against . pjw calls women sluts . bps says women destroy civilization with exactly this behavior
Methuselah Julia was terribly written (big shock a woman being written horribly by a man in the 1940s.) Julia is horribly written but she still serves as escapism for Winston. That she helps him in his rebellion somewhat can be read a number of ways and she even betrays Winston in the end. But the book makes it abundantly clear that no human trusts anyone else and that everyone is oppressed. Whether one reads Julia’s oppression or Winston’s oppression as front and centre might rely on the persons proclivities. But I came out thinking everyone is fucked over, really. Not saying I disagree with you of course. Just putting that perspective out there
Yeah... I've had my share of trauma, and my sense of gallows humor has helped me through a lot of it; I'm able to find humor in _most_ of the horrific stuff in these videos. But seeing him _laugh_ at her description of a rape was too much even for me. But then I recovered, realizing he was probably laughing just because she said the word "semen." He's basically a teenage boy who can't help but giggle any time someone mentions anything related to sex, genitals, or butts. Sargon is probably also into misinterpretations of Darwinism, so I'm sure he could appreciate my belief that people who refuse to mature past the age of 14 should be sterilized (against their will) to prevent them from holding back the progress of humanity.
@@oo-vivian Some prank TH-camr chud from England who received flak for pinching peoples’ asses “as a prank”. Because SA is hilarious, right?! Sargon was like “it’s just a joke. It’s okay to violate people as a prank”. It’s so fucked.
@oo-ld8xu old “prank” TH-camr who uploaded videos of him just straight up sexually assaulting random women in public by groping them. As a “joke”. Also groomed and molested underage girls as far as I remember.
Kristi really created a theoretical example where Sargon is the victim of a sexual assult, to put it in a way he can percieve and empathise with, aswell as showing that men can be victims,...and he just laughed.... and yet the dude continues to argue feminism is "man-hating" and wonders why feminists are fighting for sexual assult to be taken seriously. The guy himself doesnt even want to take it seriously.
The more I see and hear about Sargon, it really seems that much of his ideology stems from either an inability to empathise with other people (who don't look like him), or, an unwillingness to empathise with others. Plus, he's a bit of an idiot on top of that too. He rarely checks sources, his entire rhetoric consists of parroting right-wing talking points and dog whistling, and he rarely thinks things all the way through. Kind of like when he tried to join UKIP and run as a candidate before UKIP told him to f*** off for continually making rape jokes and being overtly racist. Like, when even UKIP kick you out for being too racist, and too much of a twat, maybe rethink what you're doing? But that's too much to ask for old Carl Benjamin.
huh? Sargon called them children. He is one of the people screaming about how college students are adults AND DON'T NEED NO TRIGGER WARNINGS. Funny how they are only children when it suits his narrative.
This is the kind of thing most people seem to do; 18-24 year old are children when they feel like it and adults when the situation calls for it. Super annoying.
As someone who is actually taking a college course on race let me just say this. No. No they are not teaching us that everyone white person is racist. They are teaching us about power structures that involve race.
Sargon laughing in his chair while someone describes date rape to him is pretty disgusting. And you know what? She might not know why Obama referenced a "fake" statistic, but I'm pretty sure he's pretty capable of answering exactly what he found so funny right there.
If I were to give him a herculean amount of good will I'd say that he might be laughing at the "cliché" of a feminist bringing up rape in an argument. Kinda like how many laugh when some say that white people are oppressed. Probably not though
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 No I think it‘s pretty obvious he wasn‘t actively engaging in the scene. I actually don‘t think it‘s a golden strategy when debating someone who thinks they‘re in a ‚war‘ opposite side against you, trying to make them sympathize with your ‚side‘. Maybe could work if you were to involve his daughter/children but that would be kind of cheap to and I think he was to closed off to any empathetic arguments at this point. That‘s probably one of the problems with these kind of »debates«.
@@vegan.3176 Maybe but I think that's really just a problem of Sargon in general being "closed off to empathetic arguments" in general. I've never seen or heard a moment from Carl that made me think "no he definitely cares sincerely" about anything other than things that fuck with him personally. Its all been like paper thin fappy concern trolling at best outside of that
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 feminists talking about grape is not the same as white people claiming they're oppressed. do you have a brain at all? how do you compare these two and not see how insane it is?
I really don't understand how some people can be this incredibly idiotic. "Let's make a petition to stop free speech for certain people that we don't agree with for the sake of free speech".
hello carl, my name is John Universities, and i'm just contacting you to let you know i've received your detailed and convincing letter. i will get back to you with a response shortly
I never watched Sargon specifically but I watched a lot of armored skeptic, shoe, and Chris ray gun which like wasn't great for highschool me post gamer gate
For me, it was Think Before You Sleep and Dr. Shaym who started the embarassing anti-SJW phase of my life 😬 They complain all the time about the "woke agenda" and "radical left" indoctrinating people, when they basically make bank off of people's ignorance and impressionable young minds.
"Feminism is Orwell's nightmare come to life." The happy sunshine get-along version of dystopia isn't Orwell's 1984. It's Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, and considering it's a story about a society that removes negative emotion from everyday proceedings, treats upper class humans as sedated neutrals beyond opinion, and calls Mexican territories "Savage reservations", the alt-right should theoretically embrace it. Every time someone drops Orwell's name or other recalibrated euphemisms to describe social situations, they literally use doublespeak.
11:11 I'd like to see Sargon try to defend this. It's not like someone told a joke about rape even, this is an actual description of the act and he's cracking a chuckle at it. I don't think I'll be watching his content ever again.
i think the part where he laughed exactly as she finished saying it suggests that's the case. i don't think you care about how bad a person sargon is though, since you can obviously see what he is and defend him anyway, so why are you even bothered?
I'm an astrophysics major, but I'm getting a minor in women studies because I genuinely enjoy the subject. Out of all the women's studies classes I've taken, none have pushed this "agenda" that anti-feminists seem to think come from these courses. They aren't teaching students that all white people are racist, aren't trying to limit free speech, and none of the professors or other students I've met believe everyone is "racist, sexist, homophobic, etc." and need to be stopped. Where are these people getting these boogeyman ideas about women's courses? From "radical outspoken" women they've seen on youtube and tumblr? Is that your source? Go take a damn women's studies class and see for yourself.
+Melon Lord as mountain hun said up in their comment, it's definitely not what's being taught, but it takes being removed totally from one's ignorant circle of people and influences to come to the realization that nobody is normal and I think the issue with people like Sargon is that they are too closed to the idea to TAKE such a class and find out what it's like. I have things like that, but they're interests like skiing or scrapbooking. I don't seek more knowledge about them because i've decided I never want to do them. But luckily those don't inform my way of being or beliefs about the world. That's why your advice to those who have not taken a women's studies course is great, just *give it a try*, amirite?
EXACTLY! I’m taking sociology, race/equality courses and literally the teacher never pushed any agenda. If anything, these classes helped me become more mindful and aware. Never once was taught that white people were automatically racist and I myself am white. My sociology teacher even teaches masculinities classes and talks about the problems that men face as well. But the alt right would still cry that colleges brainwashed people with ~libtard agenda~
@ Like I said, I'm minoring in it because I enjoy the subject, not because it's necessarily relevant to astronomy. (Although I did start a group on encouraging women to major in STEM fields with the help of the Women's Studies Department). You can be arrogant because you're minoring in a relevant field. I'm triple minoring in Mathematics, Physics, and Women's Studies. Who cares if the minor doesn't match the major. I don't care if it's "useless." I did it because I liked it! Anyone can minor in some random field. It's for passion and learning! I minored in subjects that are relevant, and a subject that was for fun.
Spuddicus Maximus 🤷♀️ Most people don’t minor in 2 things, let alone 3 things either way. Besides, most interviews are not riding on whether or not you have more minors than another candidate. Employers look more for experience than number of minors. Perhaps major GPA and extracurricular activities in addition. I’m not at a disadvantage just because I minored in women’s studies. It’s merely an addition. I took some extra classes in a subject I enjoy, who cares? But of course there’ll always people like you who love shitting on people’s hobbies/interests/passions.
I... I mean if you skipped to the last minute of the video where he talked about the petition you'll find that the point of it was to mimic what feminists have done. As they have gotten their extreme ideas into media discussions by the merit of having 50 000 signatures on a petition. So he could either use it as a way to get mainstream discussion on the topic or as way to make a point on the biases of mainstream British media outlets. Sargon is quite bad at debates from what I've seen from the one I've watched, and he seems lazy with going through studies and stuff. The fact that Hbomb tried to make the impression that Sargon expected universities to actually do something, makes Hbomb as disingenuous/lazy as Sargon, in this case. Tl;dr you've misunderstood his point and to an extent been mislead by Hbomb.
@Axel Andersson Cut the word salad and just say that you’re trying to pass this off as a troll because it mates your side look bad. Lazy excuse mate...
@@magicsteve5523 You're wrong and seemingly too lazy to read my comment I don't understand what about this there is to troll about. I watched the video, I mostly agree with it but I thing some things are disingenuous. I'm as much of a troll or a Nazi as you are censorious or believe in the violence pyramid. Everyone online isn't an extremist.
I like how a lot of those comments on the petition say "I'm pro free speech" followed in the same comment by "we should take their right to express their opinions"
"Other people will use different theories to analyze this data." - Ok, fair point. I personally use a blend of political economy, history, societal development and biology. "Like what?" "I dont know - I dont care" - Okay, now you are disqualified.
@@TheEclecticDyslexic Too much probably, considering he very easily COULD'VE said it himself in that heat of the moment, or addressed it in a later video like in the apology one. But nope.
@@TheEclecticDyslexic He spends his time ranting about feminism, but he can't offer an alternative theoretical framework? OK, nobody knows everything but this is a serious gap in his thinking that he needs to fix right? Wait, he said he doesn't care? That disqualifies him from any claim to being a rational skeptic or critic. It shows he is a lazy, bloviating windbag who is completely incurious about the things he rants about.
Former Sargon fan here: The fact that Sargon still has a ton of fans despite everything going against him and nothing being anything like he says they are horrifies me
Damn, how'd that happen? Not making fun of you I'm genuinely curious. I once thought Ben Sharpie-o was smart because his strawmen were really easy for my inexperienced teenage brain to absorb And then I met real people and realized that human beings aren't actually shitty on average.
@@ShitkidOfJamrocknot OP, but also former Sargon fan. It was a multifactored series of events that led me out of the all right pipeline, but one of the big things that stands out is seeing what a bunch of con men with no principles these people were during the 2016 election. All their talk about liberalism went out the window as they pivoted to support an openly fascist candidate.
@@ShitkidOfJamrockprobably he was a teenager with typical issues of teenagers in this age - various insecurities, lack of social communications, underdeveloped personality et cetera. This is, i assume, also a reason, why he is a FORMER fan of Sargon. He just growed up.
@@ShitkidOfJamrock Not OP, but also a ex-fan of Sargon. What happened can actually be traced back to the Atheism movement on TH-cam. From there, these atheist TH-camrs ended up being anti-SJWs back when it was Chanty Binx, Anita Sarkeesian and Buzzfeed's Dear White People videos that were big. From that point onward it was like a pot slowly coming to a boil, but I didn't notice until one day Sargon said something that I couldn't say "agree to disagree" to and upon realizing that he could be so wrong on something so easy to not be wrong on, I distanced myself from all his and those around him's stuff until I had a clear idea of what my own actual thoughts were and I didn't return.
Half the boys in my sophomore class are his fans Which as a closeted trans girl makes me feel very safe and accepted in a “free speech” society with no problems where women are treated equally 😃
this is an incredible reminiscence of how the angry vulnerable men talked about the suffragettes a hundred years ago. they printed satirical cartoons in the papers of these poor poor husbands having to do shores, they portrayed suffragettes as horrid witches and talked endlessly about how the women have gone too far and how men will loose their rights if women ever were granted the same. it's embarrassing to hear the same fucking arguments against basic human rights. and sargon sitting there with a smirk trying not to laugh when hearing about the legality of rape in certain areas (cause rape is just a joke) should disqualify him from this conversation.
That's the thing about all these alt-righters and antifeminists and shit. They are so lacking in self awareness, they don't even recognize that that political cartoon could be applied to them.
Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video, i wanna also stress: 'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real... No kidding. Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'. Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male, so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally a Strategy right now implored.
Did he seriously just laugh at a woman describing sexual assault because she said the word "semen"? Holy shit, his brain stopped developing at 13 didn't it?
eyemall ears yeah, I heard a lot of Bernie supporters hated Hillary,and that they would vote for trump over Hillary once Bernie quit the race. Edit: Bernie or trump for 2020? Because you do realize Bernie is running again right?
Eli ao I didn’t vote coz I’m not American. I switched political views because I came to a realisation - that socialism and communism is unrealistic and therefore dangerous.
13:20 That reminded of a joke. A couple is in bed. The wife's reading, husband's watching TV. So she puts the book down and asks: "Hey, hon, what do you think is worse: ignorance or apathy?" The husband, without stopping his channel surfing, goes "I don't know and I don't care."
I remember when I was 13 I was (and still am) a feminist who was discovering their gender and sexuality. I met this guy in his 30s online who was an anti-feminist asshat who thought feminists were "feminazis" and even had a fedora in his profile picture...He told me that I was "part of his tribe now" and spoke about supernatural shit. I told him I thought I was bisexual and transgender and he said I wasn't?? When we debated about feminism he would tell me to watch Sargon because he makes good and intelligent points...he ended up blocking me bc I was a feminist. Now I look back and laugh so fucking hard. This 30 year old possible groomer debating a 13 year old on feminism, telling them to watch Sargon bc of his intelligence and then blocking said child because of their progressive political views, lmaooo
Yes, it's not a course, but rather a category of courses that fall under the heading of courses taken by social justice warriors. Courses like gender studies, whiteness studies, black studies, etc. They serve no practical purpose as far as economic futures are concerned, or at least they wouldn't in a world that was more concerned about merit as opposed to social category. Basically the only thing they teach is how to make white men feel guilty and ashamed for all our sins, specifically the one where we exist. In the grand scheme of the cosmos though, a college can offer any course they deem fit, unless the college is funded in part or full through tax dollars. Then the school is required to follow specific non biased regulations. At least in America.
@@MrSpiritchild I'm assuming you're referring to things like women's studies and specific majors such as African American studies. Those things have ALWAYS existed. This is not a new concept. Those classes specialize in teaching about institutions in history and how they treated different groups of people. You're taught that in your U.S. History HIGHSCHOOL class. Those courses are only a more in depth look about very specific topics. Also, what's this bullshit about having "no economic purpose?" The high level math classes offered in university aren't applicable to most middle-class jobs, and neither are any of science or history requirements if they aren't a specialty in your career. A lot of those would fall under your weird description of economically inviable, it doesn't make them meaningless by any stretch.
@@rissa6125 I find it rather disingenuous to state they have 'always' existed. If as the courses state, white man bad, oppressive by nature, racism is in our DNA, etc., how foolish would our grandfathers have been to allow such courses in our highest educational systems. I do admit, for as long as I can remember they have been taught, just under one umbrella. Today they are taught as specialized courses, parted out and with clear purpose, to divide us. Separated in ideology as we are, we never look up, and we never see our true masters. Hannah Arendt once stated that throughout history there have only been two major ideologies to withstand the test of time, that of racial struggle, and that of class struggle. I would submit to you that we have lost the class struggle, and that those with class, (point to be argued later) are merely using the issues of race and gender struggles to keep us at each other's throats, and ultimately institute a new form of control that keeps them in power. I further don't mean to imply that these course don't hold meaning to some, and though again, some may find an economic future with these courses, they pale in comparison to courses like engineering, physiology, medical training, etc. IE, those things that are actual trade skills. If one would provide for their right now as well as their future, I would see learning the trades first, and social studies seconds as the route to go. I certainly don't see any legitimate reason to use tax funding to help any individual pay for them, as they are not made for every gender or every race equally. The fact that white males are required to pay for these courses with their tax dollars makes the whole idea seem tyrannical in nature.
@@MrSpiritchild That's a very well-worded rebuttal and I appreciate the time it must have taken to write it! You have a right to disagree with the nature of these classes, but as someone who has taken courses centered on sociology and psychology, your implication they primarily demonize white men confuses me. Many of the units I was tested over went to great detail to emphasize biological and socio-cultural power dynamics. I can't help but feel you're implying that because you personally disagree with them that they hold no merit. For example, I was taught that the expectations of minorities and culture can amplify natural dispositions, such as men typically being more aggressive. Is that what your referring to as demonization? Personally I have never been subject to a lecture or assignment that specifically blamed white men for society's issues. I can't agree with you that white men shouldn't have to pay taxes on non-trade courses though. Anyone who is a tax payer, regardless of race or gender is also paying for that. Social sciences and english courses, or linguistic classes are required for a lot of important degrees such as Education or Administrative. Fundamentally speaking, I don't think I can convince you because I believe we have two foundationally different views of education. I'm not upset by others obtaining degrees or taking courses that I wouldn't use. I think in a first world country people are entitled to a higher education. However, I appreciate your response
@@rissa6125 First, thank you for your kind words, they are greatly appreciated and are much better the the stfu's I usually get. Yes, we definitely have a different idea on on education, likely because you are educated and I am not. While it may seem that I mean that white men shouldn't have to pay for the education of minorities, I wish to be clear that I believe that no one should have to pay for the education of anyone but their own. My reasoning for this is simple, and that is to what you have pointed out, we all pay taxes, or at least most of us do. And most of us will never see the inside of a classroom of any of these higher educational facilities. To be clear, of the people that won't see the inside of these classrooms, they are made up of whites, blacks, latinos, natives, males, females, gays, lesbians, everyone. The people, or at least many of them, that are getting these educations aren't even aware of our existence outside of their own echo chambers, take their education for granted, and even if they did know we exist, don't really give a damn about what we feel about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that is, unless we agree with them personally. This paragraph is getting long so I'll move on to the next. What I would like to see, instead of free stuff, such as free healthcare and free education, etc, is for my politicians to actually do their jobs. I don't know where you are from, I'm American, and outlined in our constitution are the actual jobs of our government. These are, to provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty. Any more then that, they over step their boundaries and are dangerously close to violating the liberty of many if not most. Any less, then our borders become unsafe, and the resulting nightmare generally keeps most of us in a perpetual state of living hand to mouth. I would much rather have my congress promote our welfare, rather then put us on welfare. This way we can not only afford our own healthcare and education, but we can afford the healthcare and education for our children as well. Lastly; and this will be much shorter, I swear; I've been doing a lot of reading on propaganda by some of the great intellectuals of our time. From every thing I read it has occurred to me we are ruled by it by both the left and the right. This makes these courses, that are based off group identity and not individual identity, seem all too obviously convenient to me to be designed more for the separation of our people, then to actually educate us. While I am loathe to do so, there is a quote by hitler (note, I do not even capitalize his name) I feel everyone should know, in order to keep us safe from people like him. “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.” Sorry for any triggers. I want to see America become once again, home of the free, land of the brave. That would be my version of making America great again. But we can't do this as long as we remain at our perspective poles, and not meet at the equator. Peace out.
Sargon of Akkad is a pundit in the same way that Lois Griffin from Family Guy is a piano instructor: you don't know shit, but as long as you're just one lesson ahead of your student, you'll appear as an authority.
The difference is Sargon just makes up things to know to seem like he's knowledgable. "You see they call these triple keys and when you press three keys at once you make a Triple Sound."
Or maybe racism towards an ethnic/religious group is wrong, even if you personally single out and want to demonise that ethnic/religious group for definitely not racist reasons?
Lol, I still remember how Kristi backhanded Sargon. Sargon thought he was smart (the next Christopher Hitchens) but got completely shut down by who, Kristi...lmao.
ppl who support sargon even after watching the entirety of this vid and seeing for themselves how sargon embarrassed himself against a professional who presented actual facts - are so hurt by this they will invent an alternate reality where their senpai sargon DIDNT look like a massive tool
I had never heard of "Sargon" until the Patreon "censorship" controversy blew up last year, and I quickly forgot him again until I got this video in my recommendations. The thumbnail footage of Carl giggling like a schoolboy the moment Kristi mentions 'semen', (even in such vile context) speaks volumes more about his character than any of his poorly thought out arguments ever could. The self-pwnage is strong with this one.
Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video, i wanna also stress: 'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real... No kidding. Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'. Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male, so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally a Strategy right now implored. Entire Franchises burn, like Doctor Who and Star Trek and its literal Insanity that it all semi-mirrors what those N-jobs think of whoever-they-disagree-with-and-some-more... My Point: We live in a Parody of a Parody. Its name is Earth.
@@bubby632 Haha, you totally misunderstood what i was saying. ...Have you not heard of James Bond and Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones all being humiliated and than replaced with a Mary-Sue (Female, White)? Have you not heard this happening multiple times, as if theres a obvious pattern that billions notice? ?
"I don't know - I don't care." That's it in a nutshell. He didn't go to University. He doesn't have the self-discipline it takes to research something to educate yourself. Then he unironically assumes he is in any position to tell universities how to educate their students. I'll even go further and say that Sargon, and others like him (e.g. MundaneMatt), contribute nothing to society. Sorry, but "being an angry, paranoid, ignorant polemicist on the internet" is not a marketable skill and shouldn't be put on one's CV.
"I'll even go further and say that Sargon, and others like him (e.g. MundaneMatt), contribute nothing to society." That's not entirely true. They produce carbon dioxide for plants.
But you don't get it man! *The Universities, they are infected with regressive ideas and thoughts!* Universities are full of liberal lies and the poor people like him that seek and follow the truth are shunned by the oppressive, limp-wristed, totalitarian, fascist, racist, PC, marxist government regime!
College students are adults who can make their own choices and analyze information critically. They aren't "helpless children," who are being "indoctrinated."
Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video, i wanna also stress: 'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real... No kidding. Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'. Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male, so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally a Strategy right now implored. Entire Franchises burn, like Doctor Who and Star Trek and its literal Insanity that it all semi-mirrors what those N-jobs think of whoever-they-disagree-with-and-some-more... My Point: We live in a Parody of a Parody. Its name is Earth.
@@slevinchannel7589 so wait doctor who is sexist now because the main character isn't a man anymore? Have you actually watched the damn show? It's been progressive since the fucking 60s
I mean, the replies speak for themselves, no self awareness. Don't like, don't watch is so hard to do apparently, beause it is and these people don't like to admit that.
@@razi_man Person 1: I don't like this movie Person 2: You can't say that if you haven't watched it Person 1: *watches movie* Person 1: I don't like this movie Person 2: If you don't like it, don't watch it Person 1: ... Person 1: *Confused screaming*
@Slevin Channel what the fuck are you smoking lmao. Hollywood has white-washed roles in media for the last century. The excuse that white men are being replaced comes from the few projects that trade diversity for bonus points with minority demographics. The rest you are now seeing are from minority creators that are finally being allowed to tell stories outside of the white male experience in fairer, more balanced markets, and with Video on Demand, these stories stand a much better chance of being seen & praised, futher increasing the acceptance of outside viewpoints for general consumers. Blaming Doctor Who's dogshit last few years has nothing to do with Jodie playing the character and EVERYTHING to do with Chris Chibnall, the Showrunner, pushing for more American style plot threads, presentation and standard Stan-baiting melodrama, while the BBC reduced the budget year-on-year and gave in to the right-wing "women bad feminism bad" dogwhistling to avoid losing more & more people to Online-only streaming over paying for the TV License. Ask yourself why you're not saying anything bad about series 1-4 under Russell T. Davies. You know, the famously Gay showrunner that has come back to the show to correct the nosedive Chibnall put it in? He gave the women intelligent roles rather than just the screaming, clueless companions of old, and cast people who actually represent the diversity of the UK, especially London. Meanwhile, Chibnall put a woman in a sexy Cyberman bikini suit while Showrunner head writer of Torchwood and used mostly white actors in a show that's set in Cardiff, a city that's been notoriously diverse for the last near 50 years. You're living in a parody of real life, it's called "4Chan"
0:00 that cartoon about a feminist appealing to institutions to restrict the thoughts of others she disagrees with, being used in a petition where the creator is appealing to institutions to restrict university courses that he disagrees with..... we have officially reached peak irony
I love his response to Kristi's description of what a theoretical framework is, is to be offended that people would use feminism as that framework. That's the best response he could muster.
Sargon says he thinks he over prepared for that debate yet he had 10 citations compared to the 42 that Kirsti presented and not to mention that feminism is her Job and has performed decades of research. But somehow he lost because he was over prepared...
We all know Sargon's debate performance was a complete embarrassment, so that was all hilarious to watch, but the part that actually grated on me was the way he kept addressing his opponent by name in the most condescending way possible. In their back-and-forth, he'd start almost every response that way. It sounds stupid when I describe it, like, "Oh that asshole, how dare he address her by her actual name," but the way he would say it was just obnoxious. He'd use her name in this exasperated way like he was explaining to an elementary schooler what she got wrong on a test, or else he'd say it like he was chastising an argumentative child. You know that intonation parents use when their kids are being brats, like "Timmy, I'm counting to three..."? That's how he would say "Kristi." What an unjustified sense of superiority.
It's kind of like mansplaining. People thought it was just a made up grievance. Something women made up. But context matters. And it wasn't just women finding a way to victimize themselves or blame another thing on men. it happens a lot in workplace situations. Where everyone is one the same level yet a man feels the need to further explain what the woman just said to the woman who just said it. I find the name a little weird because it happens to everyone but I think it happened to women for far too long that the name just stuck.
Well, what *are* social justice courses? just so I can check whether I ever took one... also, his reaction to the rape story? gross, really gross and immature. I think I'll have to wash my eyes after seeing that
It's a much older argument than what old Sargon here pushes forward. Pretty much swap out "Social Justice" with "Liberal Arts" and you pretty much get the whole picture.
I watched a 35 minute video on his explanation for it. It was 50 hastily googled sources that came up when he typed in university social justice courses. Basically, anything with social justice in the name or that talks about gender counts. Also, a Pride centre from one university counted because it had social justice in it's title and Sargon doesn't like reading things to the end. It's been a bit since I've seen it, but if memory serves he even sees it's a centre while he'd reading the title, and awkwardly stops and moves on, which gave me some serious gigs.
I took a art history class that dealt with how art and media is made to promote ideas, politics, and protests. This was defined as social justice in class. Which is.. funny considering "making videos on youtube to promote ideas" is social justice. Its wierd how words can change connotation.
When I was a young teen, I unironically watched Sargon.. That's my confession. I'm glad I grew up in an environment where I was able to come to my own conclusions and change my opinions. Watching this video gives me very complicated and painful feelings, but a similar amount of catharsis
You're extremely lucky that you were able to get out of that mindset and developed into your own person. Many others never get out and become just another cog in the hate machine
I was really close to becoming a MRA/alt right turd. I also felt like my Sociology course was just a liberal indoctrination course. I even refused to write a paper about how gender and orientation is a spectrum; but I was a good enough student that my teacher had given me a good grade on it and hadn't even noticed I hadn't. What changed my mind? Meeting people who were different than me. I got a job with a diverse workforce, managed by a woman, with black people and the first gay guy I ever met. I learned that my perspective wasn't the only one that mattered, that in fact a lot of my perspective just didn't stand up to facts, that my life wasn't "normal," that no one's was. I learned to care about people other than myself. And at the end of my education, at my graduation ceremony, I came across my sociology professor, and I said, "You remember when I refused to write that paper about LGBT stuff? Well, I was wrong!" Now I'm a trans lesbian communist. XD Oops.
"I got a job with a diverse workforce" I feel this is the one common thing missiing from most anti sjw or MRA/Alt right folk. Most business nowadays have a diverse work force so you meet lots of different people. If you don't get that, your gonna be isolated from reality somewhat or at least only experience your immediate reality and this will effect yoru thinking.
MRAs are only interested in using men's issues as a diversion to remain wilfully ignorant of the wider issues in society with respect to gender equality, and have no desire to improve men's lives, often promoting toxic masculinity which is a factor in causing these issues.
Sargon seems to be the kind of person who refuses to leave his comfort zone, that beign the straw man version of feminism that he has created in his mind from misinformation and ignorance.
It kinda makes me sad to hear Carl talk. He doesn't really seem stupid or necessarily "evil" , it just seems to me that he's trapped within the cell that is called confirmation bias and every time he tries to escape, the wardens, his feelings, beat him until he crawls back into his cell where he spends most of his days fantasizing with his friends, Ignorance and Laziness, about how evil feminism is while the weird figure in the corner called Straw Man every now and then whispers into his ears "Feminists think that all white men are racist."
I think it goes to show that he does his schtick not necessarily because he believes it or because he's proud of it, but because he knows that's the audience he's got. He has a Patreon to keep up, being a shitlord is his job now. We can only hope the bottom falls out of this market.
+GeoNeilUK: That's a good point actually.. it's kind of sad when you think about it. He has big male audience of sex-deprived dolts, all furious at their mothers/ex-girlfriends or virgins. He really doesn't seem passionate about it any more, you can see it in his eyes. But it pays the bills, so he has to serve up his weekly tray of slops, keep grinding out those Anna Sarkisian rants, or whatever the popular weekly conspiracy theory is.
Yeah, I think the audience is definitely also a factor. Especially since he's a father and to some degree I have sympathy for him but on the other hand he does a lot of damage by perpetuating falsehoods and fueling an entire community with a hostile "them vs. us" mentality.
I don't know if you actually has any degree in psychology, but what you've described is basically what my feelings were, and sometimes are, relating the topics of Sociology and all the mess with Carl. I've sincerely found his channel when I was in my lowest point in my life (still am) and, even though I've found a comfort zone, I've never got used to it, I literally think watching his vids dumbed me down. I'm still trying to get away from this lack of rational thought.
In response to a question about what alternative he has during the debate: "I don't know, I don't care." His idea of why he looked like a idiot during/after the debate: "I think I might have overprepared." Truly, we're dealing with an intellectual powerhouse here.
Uh it's a stereotype because it's A. a popular look with many online outspoken feminists, and B. A lot of trans people, so it's partially just kinda a transphobic stereotype (you'll often see comments online which stereotype trans people as like "blue haired teacher's pets" (or at least that's one I've personally seen a fair few times against me) and things like that.)
they also try to claim that it’s “just like it is in nature” where animals know to avoid trying to eat other brightly colored animals because they might be poisonous or dangerous. y’know. like how poison dart frogs are bright fucking colors. so they think “oh yeah that’s the same kind of social signaling telling me to avoid the girls with the bright blue hair they must be showing how toxic they are” despite that just not being how humans work at all.
"Other people will use different theories to analyze this data" and we would call that pseudoscience. Imagine if a biologist used "Other theories" to study biology that weren't evolutionary theory, or particle physicists that used "other theories" from quantum theory in their work. "i may have overprepared somewhat" Literally only worked from 10 sources which he eventually stopped using about halfway, meanwhile winters had so many sources that they had to put an entire Dropbox file in the description just to fit them all in. As well, most of the time she was talking, he was making mocking gestures like playing a violin or sarcastically gasping, and when he would speak it was with contempt and vitriol, projecting his petty argumentative tactics onto winters. I can't believe i actually accepted a debate with this guy. There's no goddamn way in hell in going through with it if this is how he behaves in a formal debate.
You mean different theories like lamarck vs Darwins theory of evolution, right? Sorry to tell you but even when later a theory turns out to be true than the other, at the point they first came up no one could be sure which one was right. So if you don't want to consider other peoples theories about subjects than you have no place in science.
@@ThePi314Man Man, what I'm going to say has little to do with your critisism of that guy, but I have to point out that there is no one true theory in say, physics. There are countless theories that give good predictions for certain systems in certain conditions. One theory doesn't just cancel another as long as the former works. For the easiest example, you still use Newtonian physics to describe a baseball trajectory, because you don't need relativistic or quantum approach for an object that size going at a reasonable speed (you still could use relativistic equasions, but that's far too overcomplicating). Even in quantum physics there are numerous ways of approximation of the wavefunction, all of which may be used for the same systems. This kind of makes your parallel irrelevant. The problem with our beloved King of Asgaroth (did I get it right?) is that he just dismisses the feminist interpretation for the data and doesn't give any of his own. He refuses to actually make a valid point in this argument because he is too fucking convinced in his own biases.
@@GalkinSibiryak As someone with a degree in sociology I'll go a step further and say the "sociological academy" itself does not agree that feminism is the one true framework to view society through. It falls under the much larger umbrella of conflict theory, then critical theory under that, then probably feminist theory (alongside other concepts like critical race theory). Other large schools of thought in sociology that have been used to address inequality are functionalism (pretty unpopular nowadays), and in some cases symbolic interactionism. Each have huge bodies of research and theory under them, and in some cases have merit. Not that this gives any points to Sargon ithough. Since he seems to think sociology courses are so much bad-think and should be banned, he probably wouldn't even know these theories exist. Maybe if he had exhausted himself preparing as he said he may have stumbled across these; they're in every sociology 101 course, quizlet, and youtube video on social theory. OP's point has sour implications. I would go so far as to call them wrong.
Your comment is quite ironic since it shows that you also are similar to the illogical right wingers. I don't know about sociology but the physics and biology have multiple theories on the same topic.
Unless it is one of Sargon's TL;DW 3 hour long videos. In that case it is thought provoking entertainment. Lol. No way I could sit through 3 hours of him rambling.
"Carl doesn't know, he doesn't care, and he wants to know and care less." Damn, I feel like you could replace the word "Carl" with "American Republicans" and it'd still be an accurate statement.
And I sometimes 'feel' that you could replace 'Carl' with "American Democrats" and it would still be accurate. . It does not mean that it *would* be accurate thought. The claim is not about the Democrates. It is solely about me. Just as yours is soley about you. . How boring! :)
@@zapazap - I mean, you can flip words around and make statements about literally anything. However only some versions of the statement are going to be true. Replace "Carl" with "Republicans" and it's easy to find examples within the current Republican party leadership that back up the statement, using any number of subjects. Try it with Democrats though, and there's a lot less supporting evidence because they just don't actively promote a culture of willful ignorance like the Republicans do.
Chris Farley in Tommy Boy was a more intellectual being.... at least he managed to remember his dad's famous sales pitch and saved his town from financial collapse.
11:20 One of my little sisters was drugged at a party. Thankfully her friends got her in an ambulance before anything was done by the perpetrators to take advantage of the situation. If I ever found out who spiked her drink, wow be unto them! It’s all a funny hypothetical scenario until it’s not. How can he laugh at that scenario?! It’s fucking horrifying! I live in Denmark, where it’s very criminal to drug someone without their knowledge, and much worse to take advantage of them afterwards. And even then, I don’t feel super safe. I think Assad should get a taste for what it’s like not to have protection and safety. Maybe he should take a trip to a fun country and have some fun. I’m thinking South Sudan or Eritrea
It’s hilarious how people frequently cite him to combat “leftist” ideas… despite the fact he was an actual fucking socialist. The only thing more ironic would be citing Marx to explain why Nazisim is good, actually
The 2nd hand embarrassment of trying to watch that debate was nearly too much to bear. Also the disappointment of his opponent when she realized he was just going to be a twat without any sources or really even an argument made me genuinely sad that she had to waste her time on him.
Reminds me of a time when Rob Schnider tried getting a court involved into anti vaccine thing and the judge actually replied "I wasted two hours of my life that I will never get back with Deuce Biggalo Male Jiggelo"
Going back to an hbomberguy video that you haven’t watched in years to listen to it during work, and realizing that you can understand a visual gag by the audio playing under it. It’s like coming home
Carl reminds me of the engineering student who gets a D on their cobbled together end-semester project before going online to gloat about hes so much smarter than all of the English/Communications majors.
Listening to that in 2019 when Bolsanaro is shutting down sociology classes and studies in state university and Sargon is running for UKIP make it loose all fun.
I'd like to see Sargon debate with an Anarchist or Marxist. Although it would be in vain because Sargon's income is now based upon his Cherished Liberalism.
Oh, my friend's been linking me to some videos of his. After hearing him talk so much about "what the science says," we decided we'd look up what the guy's actually credentials and background were. You know what it was? Not fucking science. Tech journalism and making videos.
Do you know any other of these poodledannies who say "I know everything about Marxism" yet are completely obvious to it? I know Vee does "Marx didn't talk about the middle class" - Yes he did. I wanna make a Marxism vs Cultural Marxism video.
Oh hey badmouseproductions! love your videos! I bet Sargon doesn't even know the difference between Marxist-Leninism, Maoism and Stalinism, or the difference between Mutualism and AnComunism. Haha I bet he'd even call Foucault an "ebil sjw feminazi!!"
"I don't know - I don't care." Never has Carl said anything more truthful and evident. The misreading of studies, the strawmanning, the baseless assertions, (12:22 is a 'favorite' micro-rant of mine) the audience-pandering, (most likely, gotta get that patreon money) 'over-preparing' (???????) and apparently only having a five minute attention span truly does make one thing true - he doesn't know, and he sure as hell doesn't care.
And the people that are busy labeling other people fascists never realize that fascism isn't a right or left thing, as much as it's a thing that rises up when large portions of the population spend too much time not being represented by their government, and can come from either the left or right. And in likely more cases, fascism rises up among people that are neither left or right, as not having a specific political stance makes it hard for existing political parties to recruit them once they have sworn allegiance to the fascist leader.
@@MrSpiritchild No, Fascism is very much a specifically right-wing phenomenon. Ultra-conservative regressive ethno-nationalism is literally just "What if we had conservatives... BUT MORE?".
@@mrsuspicious1743 I fully agree that the origin of fascism has it's beginning in that which is far right. But today, we see fascist behavior from both sides. Fascism itself is a method of operation that involves silencing opponents, limiting economic opportunity, and using force to obtain your goals when all else fails. To say that fascism is only a right phenomena is to ignore the dangers that pure fascism represents. When you consider, in the beginning of the republican party they freed the slaves while the democrats fought to keep slaves. But somehow the narrative makes republicans out to be the bigots while the democrats have somehow become the defenders of minorities. So a choice should be made. Either the nature of a thing is fixed and rigid, in which case the democrats would still be the bigots. Or the nature of men is evil and we can cross the lines of what makes our parties criminal. We can't have both. so pick one. Literally, fascism is the absolute control by the governing body that forbids any spiritual, social or economic diversity from the will of the state. Now whether that forced conformity is due to race or religion, or an all inclusive demand for multiculturalism, it is still fascism.
@@MrSpiritchild ...No, Fascism has a specific definition that you appear to have misinterpreted. It's ultra-conservative (to the point of advocating social regression to a prior point in it's development, real or imagined though that point may be) ultra-nationalism. You seem to think fascism is the addresse in the sentance "But I dun WANNA clean my room, MOOOM!". Fascism is, fundamentally, by nature of its being, a politically right-wing phenomenon BECAUSE of it's advocacy for social regression to the (mythologised version sold by fascists of the) past. You, on the other hand, appear to have confused fascism with being told you can't do certain things, which broadens, intentionally or otherwise, the definition of fascism to the point where it includes, literally, every single society that has ever existed. P.S. No-one, and I do mean NO-ONE, cares about what the Republicans and Democrats were doing "at the begining". Organisations change.
@@mrsuspicious1743 If I were to do something so stupid as to be unbelievable, one might open a dictionary to find my picture in it as an example of stupidity. This joke, as it were, as a conceptualized reality of fascism, is how we have our existing definition of fascism. We open up the dictionary and we are almost unilaterally directed to the image of hitler and his form of fascism. When in fact, in history, the political debate concerning it is like a circle jerk of people pointing at each other in accusation of everyone but themselves. The religious blaming the socialist, the socialists blaming the capitalist, the capitalists blaming the religious, and round and round we go. The fact of the matter is they are all correct, but enter hitler and his BS and suddenly they can all turn and point to him. This is the danger I point to, that when we focus and declare that an evil can only be committed by one type of person, in one way, we are ultimately left surprised when someone new rises up and commits the same evil under a different mask. This is why, while I take the current definition of fascism to heart, I focus more on the behavior of fascists then the political understanding of it. This behavior is economic control, the silencing of opposition, and the use of force when the other two don't work. It is a group think system that is ruled by a dictator in order to create a totalitarianism form of government. Everyone, and I do mean every one, (imagine my smirk here) can do it regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum. IE, it is when group concepts become more valid then individual sovereignty that fascism races it's ugly head. And no, I don't see fascism as not being allowed to behave in a specific fashion, I see it as a system of government that requires me to behave in a specific fashion, up to and including the very thoughts in my head, and feelings in my heart.
@@thejason755 Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video, i wanna also stress: 'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real... No kidding. Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'. Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male, so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally a Strategy right now implored. Entire Franchises burn, like Doctor Who and Star Trek and its literal Insanity that it all semi-mirrors what those N-jobs think of whoever-they-disagree-with-and-some-more... My Point: We live in a Parody of a Parody. Its name is Earth.
Well, this debate was following the more "academic" format. Each side gives a statement, then they take turns at a rebuttal. So for the initial statement it makes sense to write it out ahead of time in that format. No, the really damning part is that Mr. Benjamin has time to prepare his opening statement to address the prompt he's given... and he fails to address the prompt that he's given.
10:03 help Sure thing. *Short version:* Use "Daodejing" and "Laozi" since those are official by Chinese and international standards. Stop right here if you want to remain innocent and pure. *Long version:* You're not wrong. But you're being unintentionally political. You'll sometime see "Tao" instead of "Dao" and "Tzu" instead of "Zi" because of a transliteration clash. The former is Wade-Giles and the latter is Pinyin. If the latter looks like a foreign name, it's because it is Chinese and literally means "spelled sounds." It's also the officially designated romanization system as determined by the PRC and eventually the ROC in 2009. And because it was promoted by the PRC, it has caused some people to continue to hold out and use Wade-Giles. Familiarity also plays a big role - many people simply saw Wade-Giles first and didn't give a shit about updating their knowledge. You see this with names (pinyin in parenthesis) like Sun Tzu (Sunzi), Nanking (Nanjing), and Peking (Beijing). And on that first example, you may have noticed a dispute with spacing. Simply put, spacing doesn't exist in Chinese - combinations are implicit to the meaning. Hell, more alarmingly old texts have implied _punctuation,_ which is even more annoying when double meanings are part of the intended experience. So when you do see spaces, that's added meaning that is _exclusive_ to the romanization. The criteria is stuck between a battle of the regularity of all Chinese characters (the urge to put a space between each character) and the combination of characters in regular "ci" form (basically the obvious formulation of the word). What's worse is that sometimes you'll see numbers like dao4de2jing1 or accents like Dàodé Jīng. These are used specifically to disambiguate the tone. Officially pinyin uses the latter but you'll notice it's a pain to actually type those in, so some people use the former. In China, no one uses any of them and it's inferred, though officially in class the textbooks have the latter. Any ambiguity here is based on how annoying it is to input these things. So to bring this back around: *Tao Te Ching* is old Wade-Giles, with spacing that is trying to emphasize the regularity of Chinese characters in a way that Chinese people don't ever do. You use this if you don't want to update your Chinese knowledge past the 60s, have a hate-boner for all things Communist, want to claim that the central (literary) authority of China is still in dispute, prefer a system written by white people, or are an edgy teenager who takes no shit from authority figures. *Dao De Jing* is official Pinyin, with spacing that no Chinese person would ever do. You use this if you're updated but otherwise still new at the whole learning Chinese deal, probably a foreigner, and probably really giddy that Chinese characters have this cool regularity that lends itself well to printing. You especially do this if you have a hate-boner for kerning problems. Also you capitalize because Titles Have Capitalization in English. *Dàodé Jīng* is official Pinyin and the most common way you'll see Chinese people do the romanization for foreigners. You use this to emphasize that the "Daode" part is together (meaning "ethics") and "Jing" is separate (meaning "classic" or "book"). And you add in the tones because it's the most disambiguated form. Also capitalization exists in English for titles. *daodejing* is how most Chinese people will actually type it in. You use this because adding spaces means more button clicks and the input method will guess correctly anyways. Virtually all Chinese people will get what you mean by this anyways. Also capitalization doesn't exist in Chinese either, that's a "westerner thing." _Ultimately they all get the point across._ The difference is in how people will judge you or whatever political statement you are trying to make. And the less likely you are to know the details about the (PRC-ROC/China-Taiwan) feud, the less likely people are going to interpret what you do as political and much more as a misunderstanding.
@Ma Pa From personal experience, I've seen Americans who begin to engage with Chinese often get confused as to how to transliterate. I presume that the same can be said about hbomberguy who doesn't want to get it horribly wrong but also doesn't know how to unpack to stupid that is the current deadlock.
@Freespirited Peace At least Japan had something of an actual historical partnership with Nazi Germany. Russian neo nazis worship someone who wanted them all killed and subjugated as slaves.
You're right about Sargon. Sargon pretty much took people's money and produced no results. Whereas Anita Sarkeesian actually produced valuable and insightful videos.
Why is Carl so terrified of people with dyed hair and body modifications? I don't remember Orwell mentioning the tyranny of pastel hair colors in 1984.
Phillip Morgan also interesting that he tries to paint feminist as unqualified people with dyed hair while debating a brunette with a phd
What do you think was in Room 101?
In know it's a late response but the legit answer is that they are afraid of any woman who does something for herself and not for the male gaze. "I am not attracted to women with pink hair and pierced eyebrows therefore pink hair and pierced eyebrows scare me as they signify that this woman is not trying to attract me as a mate".
Must be on the sequel, 1985: Rise of the SWJ
Orwell would've been an SJW.
When attempting to talk to an actual feminist, not a cardboard cut-out, Sargon starts robotic spouting empty pre-prepared phrases and buzzwords like some kind of phoney, intellectually impoverished career politician. Guess that's what he meant by "over-prepared". Also, seeing Sargon laugh at a description of sexual assault pretty much says everything that can be said about what kind of person he is.
I suspect he was laughing for some other reason but the context isn't clear with this cut.
Alright, okay. I guess Occam's Razor is a bit dull today.
ElHijoDelJoe I probably should watch the actual debate as a whole
+apocalypseap It's your time, if you want to flush it down the fuckin' toilet that's your prerogative.
Anthony Johnston That sounds like something Sargon would say about any of his critics, though.
Why do they keep saying universities are corrupting “children”? University students are all consenting adults who CHOSE to take these courses. So stupid
It’s incredibly ironic Sargon is infantilising university students whilst whining like a baby
I wanna know what dope ass school this guy thinks kids go to. I would kill for a class at my high school to mention feminism in a positive light.
@December Vyne i agree
@@tylerene THIS!! these people think they are like.... courageous and heroic for agreeing with centuries of traditional ideals that aren't going away anytime soon. it's not "brave" at all to be misogynistic, racist, capitalist, homophobic, etc., because those are definitely still the prevailing ideals in Western society.
My college level English composition class had a teacher that didnt believe in global warming and ranted about millennials
"I'm a moderate fucking person, I've never raped" is my new favourite sentence ever
They fuck moderately. Very simple.
Most convincing way to establish the legitimacy of your upcoming argument.
Definitely not the *suspiciously specific denial* trope in action.
Sargon: *asks angry question"
Kristi: *begins to answer*
Sargon: "excuse me!" *repeats angry questions*
Kristi: *attempts to answer again*
Sargon: *repeats question*
Sargon: *feminists be so irrational*
That's the game these right wing pundits play. They set up moral standards and dont follow them, and then point the finger at you and say, "Oh my look at how unreasonable *you* are," while they're still being unreasonable towards you.
Although I really do not like Kristi Winters either. She always seems too condescending... have all people ever forgotten how to try and convince someone of their point? This discussion with Sargon is probably the most likeable I have ever seen her though, to be fair, so maybe I got a false idea of her character from the "questions for... men" or something like that... video. Cause her points in that video were just... let's say she is not gonna convince anyone with that xD
@@Zweyrohn When it comes to women in debate, the well is already poisoned (you probably already know that fallacy by now, but just in case search for "poisoning the well"). The bias against them has already been internalized thanks to overt and covert messaging meant to downplay womens' intelligence and competence.
I am not saying that you are biased. But I do think that it is something all of us should consider when we find ourselves not liking a certain woman and the points she's making, but can't articulate on why.
@@FeministCatwoman I kinda know what you mean, but I can tell you why I do not like her. In the videos I habe seen of her, and I know that it ain't many, she talked down to people on the opposing side of the argument. It may well be that she didn't mean that, but it came across that way, specifically in the video I mentioned.
+I. Zweyrohn I understand
Petition to bring back the "[CITATION NEEDED]" joke
That's still my favorite joke
Congratulations, you lefties have finally created a meme that is halfway funny, lol.
@@MrSpiritchild it's funnier than literally anything that your side has come up with lol
@@crazyaf12 and they just keep coming, omg!!!
I'm a reasonable fucking person. I've never not liked the [CITATION NEEDED] joke.
Sargon committed a capital mistake: He seriously believed his own bullshit and tried to debate someone with a PhD.
Jeremias Astorga
The intros for the two of them are incredibly telling to anyone with a brain.
"Kristi: PhD, involved in numerous activisty feminist stuff and contributes to numerous organizations in pursuit of equality."
"Sargon: a guy who makes TH-cam videos."
he seems to do that a lot
@@ThePi314Man I laughed so hard when I heard that on the actual debate
having a PhD means jack shit and you know it. it just means you've spent sufficient time in the indoctrination station they call a university.
@@Omegon8536 I guess next time you need to ha a surgery done on you, you just go and get axed by the crackhead at the nearest gas station, since college education is just indoctrination.
Dear CEO of social justice:
Please stop
Sincerely, Sargon.
Why aren't these people letting me express my opinion, and not letting me suppress their opinions???? Hypocrite much???????
Edit- This is unintentionally the most meta comment I've ever written
social justice: CANCELLED
feminism: CANCELLED
sjw's: CANCELLED
You did it, Sargon, you did it. You saved free speech. You saved the world.
We did it bois, SOCIAL JUSTICE is no more
big true
can i speak to the manager of social justice, please?
11:54
Sargon is literally whining about women making media from the comfort of their room WHILE PRODUCING MEDIA FROM THE COMFORT OF HIS OWN ROOM
@Colin Cleveland Excuse me mate, could you repeat that please? Slowly?
But what he does is different, because what he does is incredibly important. He's going to save the west
I couldn't help but notice that too.
It would he a shame if a string of non crimes in OK occurred against rape apologists, specifically men who support this guy and think hes great. I would feel many feels for them, what with them finding it so funny.
It seems to be a very common issue amongst the right wing. They project so hard they are like a focussed beam of pure ignorant hatred burning through the wall.
That poor woman, having to explain to that manbaby that she and Obama are not in fact of one mind
As he was talking over her the whole answer, I don't think he knows she and obama are not the same person even to this day
@@xhantTheFirst "How can I be sure??? I've never seen her and Obama in the same room together!!!"
that lady talking to sargon has my whole respect, i hope she knew she was heading into a conversation with a brick and did it to cultivate her patience, thats all that dude is good for
Her name is Kristi Winters and she handled herself VERY well against a petulant galaxy brain that wouldn't even let her answer the question he was demanding she answer.
@@Mr.Spongecake has she done other stuff? The clips make me want to see more of her
@@ashikjaman1940 you really shouldn't. The fact that K Winters slapped him around is more a comment on Sargon's ineptitude rather than her abilities.
Did anyone ever ask Sargon what he was laughing at, because I'd really like to know what was so *fucking* funny.
@@applemask women being raped, Applemask. That’s what’s hysterically funny to him. We’re talking Carl “The Rape Jokester” Benjamin here
Ah yes, the military industrial complex, notorious champion of social justice
Genderfluid CIA assets to your nearest town
you guise joke, but a gendercop broke into my house last night and beat me to death for being cis :'(
@@58209 I can't believe marxism would do this. Massive F to you
Lockheed Martin has been advertising how woke and "progressive" they are for a while now. Because destabilizing other countries is A-OK as long as rich women get to do it too
@@58209 your profile picture is my thoughts on your comment.
The irony of the cartoon is staggering. "These people are demanding that institutions get rid of things that 'offend' them. So now I'm demanding that institutions get rid of things that offend me."
TCovenantUnbeliever I hope that one day these people regret making a mockery of civil rights issues
It was drawn by Ben Garrison, a far right conspiracy theorist who constantly draws weird homoerotic pictures of Trump
It's not even a very good political cartoon.
This is Sargons entire stick though. He sees an article demanding the Mens rights activists to be called a terrorist group by the government (an idea just crazy btw) and instead of defending the MRA or rising above such nonsense, he basically commits the exact same "crime" by demanding feminism to be called a mental illness. I do not know why he is filled to the brim with just... so much hate... I hope they do not invite him to next myth con, he is giving discussion and reason a bad rap... people like him only serve to radicalise an already bad situation.
I know this comment is old but also the redundancy of depicting "big gov" and "big business" alongside the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Maybe if he had taken an actual sociology course instead of throwing darts at a board to guess what they're really about he'd know why that comic is an absolute joke
Hey Carlgon, can you explain the difference between ignorance and apathy?
"I don't know, and I don't care!"
Underrated comment 👍
I read your comment seriously, showing no emotion at all. I liked it and suddenly burst out in laughter.
You made my day.
CARLGON
10/10
From one commulist cat to the other: Comrad Meow, that joke was hilarious! x´D
Carlgon of Sad!
"Feminism has all the symptoms of mental illness." Which mental illnesses?? I have so many questions
Kris Nelson I'm about 85 percent sure that Sargon probably only googled the definition instead of actually reading into what makes something a mental Illness
He made a really bad video on how Feminism is.. Autism. He cited Autism Speaks. Shaun did a really good video on it.
Yes, because feminists are all "retarded" (egh even typing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth) idiots, even though they regularly cite more sources, have more facts to back up their claims, and generally, better editing, sound quality, joke writing, etc.
Sacred, Nothing is Show me proof of feminists saying all of that. Because I know that the second one was faked to paint a bad image of LGBT+ people.
Sacred, Nothing is Which doesn't mean all feminists support pedophilia. Also, the other side does too. A Britebart writer was outed for pedophilia towards young men, and multiple people from the right supported him. I, am, of course, not going to say that all members of the right support pedophilia, because that would be wrong and hypocritical. I'll find the source for this real quick.
Also, you didn't give sources for the other 2.
"Feminism is Orwell's nightmare come to life," Sargon.
...Has this guy...actually read 1984? Part of Winston's interest in Julia was her expression of bodily autonomy against the sexually repressive society. Just...If you're going to cite famous dystopian fiction...maybe...try to demonstrate a basic understanding of it?
I know, it's so frustrating when antifeminists compare feminism to big gov in 1984 especially considering the multiple places Orwell makes points in line with feminism in it.
"'You’re only a rebel from the waist downwards,’ he told her."
I think you could argue Julia wears the sash sort of ironically... I don't know lol
@@absolutezero6190 i kinda think that's the thing that he said too . julia said
And do you know what I’m going to do next? I’m going to get hold of a real woman’s frock from somewhere and wear it instead of these bloody trousers. I’ll wear silk stockings and high-heeled shoes! In this room I’m going to be a woman, not a Party comrade
she literally wants to fight the patriarchy and sexually repressive government . you know something that sargon and his pals are against . pjw calls women sluts . bps says women destroy civilization with exactly this behavior
The man cant even demonstrate the basic understanding of studies
Methuselah Julia was terribly written (big shock a woman being written horribly by a man in the 1940s.)
Julia is horribly written but she still serves as escapism for Winston. That she helps him in his rebellion somewhat can be read a number of ways and she even betrays Winston in the end. But the book makes it abundantly clear that no human trusts anyone else and that everyone is oppressed. Whether one reads Julia’s oppression or Winston’s oppression as front and centre might rely on the persons proclivities. But I came out thinking everyone is fucked over, really.
Not saying I disagree with you of course. Just putting that perspective out there
"i've never raped" quote of the year
Sargon of Akkad: virtue signaller.
In the words of Chris Rock, "What you want, a cookie?"
@@ZanraiKid I couldn't agree more.
I never embezzled either you don't see me jerking off violently about it
Which makes him a moderate.
If internet petitions worked, we'd have 12 seasons of Firefly by now.
rub it in why don't you
Oh fuck you, you HAD to bring it up.
- sobs quietly in the corner - take my love, take my land... Just give me back Firefly...
lol true
Or Rotten Tomatoes would be gone. And the White House would be building a Death Star.
Tuckerscreator And the USA's national anthem would be the My Little Pony theme song.
"University students should be educated on real _imperial_ knowledge"
Such as the difference between imperial and empirical perhaps?
Or is Sargon just secretly pro-imperialism?
@@timothymclean I mean, it wouldn't exactly be inconsistent with the rest of his "totally not white supremacist" views, let's be honest!
damn those stormcloaks and their social justice courses. they have ruined the empire.
No, he means it. Deus Vult! Deus Vult!
Maybe he's just angry that physics courses mostly use the metric system.
"You were a victim of oral penetration, right?
Not in Oklahoma."
That was a shock to my core.
And Sargon just laughs. Holy shit.
Yeah... I've had my share of trauma, and my sense of gallows humor has helped me through a lot of it; I'm able to find humor in _most_ of the horrific stuff in these videos. But seeing him _laugh_ at her description of a rape was too much even for me. But then I recovered, realizing he was probably laughing just because she said the word "semen." He's basically a teenage boy who can't help but giggle any time someone mentions anything related to sex, genitals, or butts.
Sargon is probably also into misinterpretations of Darwinism, so I'm sure he could appreciate my belief that people who refuse to mature past the age of 14 should be sterilized (against their will) to prevent them from holding back the progress of humanity.
This is the guy who said that Sam Pepper did nothing wrong.
@@joshuaallgood7030who's sam pepper again?
@@oo-vivian Some prank TH-camr chud from England who received flak for pinching peoples’ asses “as a prank”. Because SA is hilarious, right?! Sargon was like “it’s just a joke. It’s okay to violate people as a prank”. It’s so fucked.
@oo-ld8xu old “prank” TH-camr who uploaded videos of him just straight up sexually assaulting random women in public by groping them. As a “joke”. Also groomed and molested underage girls as far as I remember.
Kristi really created a theoretical example where Sargon is the victim of a sexual assult, to put it in a way he can percieve and empathise with, aswell as showing that men can be victims,...and he just laughed....
and yet the dude continues to argue feminism is "man-hating" and wonders why feminists are fighting for sexual assult to be taken seriously.
The guy himself doesnt even want to take it seriously.
But… he’s rational 🥺
The more I see and hear about Sargon, it really seems that much of his ideology stems from either an inability to empathise with other people (who don't look like him), or, an unwillingness to empathise with others. Plus, he's a bit of an idiot on top of that too. He rarely checks sources, his entire rhetoric consists of parroting right-wing talking points and dog whistling, and he rarely thinks things all the way through. Kind of like when he tried to join UKIP and run as a candidate before UKIP told him to f*** off for continually making rape jokes and being overtly racist. Like, when even UKIP kick you out for being too racist, and too much of a twat, maybe rethink what you're doing?
But that's too much to ask for old Carl Benjamin.
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even realize it could happen to men (or even to him personally), because touching willies is gay.
huh? Sargon called them children. He is one of the people screaming about how college students are adults AND DON'T NEED NO TRIGGER WARNINGS. Funny how they are only children when it suits his narrative.
Well, there is sense to what he says if you think their persisting as children is a result of coddling.
@@zapazapno u
@@zapazap i think the blokes just projecting considering him being a massive man child
This is the kind of thing most people seem to do; 18-24 year old are children when they feel like it and adults when the situation calls for it. Super annoying.
As someone who is actually taking a college course on race let me just say this. No. No they are not teaching us that everyone white person is racist. They are teaching us about power structures that involve race.
@Bennnnny1987 You signed the petition, didn't you?
@Bennnnny1987 Knew it.
@Carter Rolen
Wholly inaccurate.
@@androideatsanapple Fabulous man you've built there. Where did you get all that straw?
@Bennnnny1987 there is a video by C0nc0rdance that you really should watch. It's about the actual biological realities of race. Highly recommend.
Sargon laughing in his chair while someone describes date rape to him is pretty disgusting. And you know what? She might not know why Obama referenced a "fake" statistic, but I'm pretty sure he's pretty capable of answering exactly what he found so funny right there.
If I were to give him a herculean amount of good will I'd say that he might be laughing at the "cliché" of a feminist bringing up rape in an argument. Kinda like how many laugh when some say that white people are oppressed. Probably not though
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 No I think it‘s pretty obvious he wasn‘t actively engaging in the scene.
I actually don‘t think it‘s a golden strategy when debating someone who thinks they‘re in a ‚war‘ opposite side against you, trying to make them sympathize with your ‚side‘. Maybe could work if you were to involve his daughter/children but that would be kind of cheap to and I think he was to closed off to any empathetic arguments at this point.
That‘s probably one of the problems with these kind of »debates«.
@@vegan.3176 Maybe but I think that's really just a problem of Sargon in general being "closed off to empathetic arguments" in general. I've never seen or heard a moment from Carl that made me think "no he definitely cares sincerely" about anything other than things that fuck with him personally. Its all been like paper thin fappy concern trolling at best outside of that
Sargon spews rape jokes. Why are people acting surprised that he laughed when someone brought up rape? He thinks it’s hilarious
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 feminists talking about grape is not the same as white people claiming they're oppressed. do you have a brain at all? how do you compare these two and not see how insane it is?
I really don't understand how some people can be this incredibly idiotic. "Let's make a petition to stop free speech for certain people that we don't agree with for the sake of free speech".
hello carl, my name is John Universities, and i'm just contacting you to let you know i've received your detailed and convincing letter. i will get back to you with a response shortly
lolololol
+JohnnyTheWolf That's good
After seeing the text of that petition, I think he might believe that.
veovis 😂😂😂
Your name: John University
Your mission: Indoctrinate
imagine thinking banning professors from talking about social justice is making speech freer
This is actually really funny because Sargon and others like him ACTUALLY indoctrinated me as a child lol
Bro same.
I never watched Sargon specifically but I watched a lot of armored skeptic, shoe, and Chris ray gun which like wasn't great for highschool me post gamer gate
@@jasonninja55 same horrible
For me, it was Think Before You Sleep and Dr. Shaym who started the embarassing anti-SJW phase of my life 😬
They complain all the time about the "woke agenda" and "radical left" indoctrinating people, when they basically make bank off of people's ignorance and impressionable young minds.
my condolences!
"Feminism is Orwell's nightmare come to life."
The happy sunshine get-along version of dystopia isn't Orwell's 1984. It's Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, and considering it's a story about a society that removes negative emotion from everyday proceedings, treats upper class humans as sedated neutrals beyond opinion, and calls Mexican territories "Savage reservations", the alt-right should theoretically embrace it.
Every time someone drops Orwell's name or other recalibrated euphemisms to describe social situations, they literally use doublespeak.
Carl is clueless about Orwell's work. Who is surprised?
Well said. Reader! It drives me crazy people use 1984 wrong like that so often
Or duckspeak perhaps, the parroting of doctrine and buzzwords with no understanding of their meaning
You assume that these morons have ever read a book.
@@alexritchie4586 Or that they can actually read...
Dear The Government,
Please get rid of Those SWJs
Love, James Universities
Andrew Letke Yes.
I laughed sohardat this comment that I cried XD
The bit where he can't stop himself from giggling at the doctor of sociology describing the aftermath of a rape is pretty bone-chilling, honestly.
And doing the 'world's smallest violin' hand movement.
i’ll never stop laughing at the comment that implies there’s one SJW, and they might have a horse
The real enby representation is the singular, final SJW who uses they/them and rides on something that is maybe a horse
@@adriancerny6366 Horses are just myths.
@@adriancerny6366 All the arguments over "Conquest" and "Pestilence", little did people guess that the true White Horseman would be the Lone swidge.
i think im falling in love with the all-powerful, nonbinary, horse-riding sjw who lives in the nightmares of conservatives
@@adriancerny6366 It's alwasy conveniently obscured by fences, bushes and smoke such that you can never fully make out any of its features.
11:11 I'd like to see Sargon try to defend this. It's not like someone told a joke about rape even, this is an actual description of the act and he's cracking a chuckle at it. I don't think I'll be watching his content ever again.
oh hello there mr moosh.
now every time team mentions you in a video i will know you are a human being with political views.
hooray.
shitshitshit! My cover's been blown!
EXPOSED: MOOSH CONFIRMED HOMINID
So.. can you prove that's why he was laughing? Didn't think so.
i think the part where he laughed exactly as she finished saying it suggests that's the case. i don't think you care about how bad a person sargon is though, since you can obviously see what he is and defend him anyway, so why are you even bothered?
I'm an astrophysics major, but I'm getting a minor in women studies because I genuinely enjoy the subject. Out of all the women's studies classes I've taken, none have pushed this "agenda" that anti-feminists seem to think come from these courses. They aren't teaching students that all white people are racist, aren't trying to limit free speech, and none of the professors or other students I've met believe everyone is "racist, sexist, homophobic, etc." and need to be stopped. Where are these people getting these boogeyman ideas about women's courses? From "radical outspoken" women they've seen on youtube and tumblr? Is that your source? Go take a damn women's studies class and see for yourself.
+Melon Lord as mountain hun said up in their comment, it's definitely not what's being taught, but it takes being removed totally from one's ignorant circle of people and influences to come to the realization that nobody is normal and I think the issue with people like Sargon is that they are too closed to the idea to TAKE such a class and find out what it's like. I have things like that, but they're interests like skiing or scrapbooking. I don't seek more knowledge about them because i've decided I never want to do them. But luckily those don't inform my way of being or beliefs about the world. That's why your advice to those who have not taken a women's studies course is great, just *give it a try*, amirite?
EXACTLY! I’m taking sociology, race/equality courses and literally the teacher never pushed any agenda. If anything, these classes helped me become more mindful and aware. Never once was taught that white people were automatically racist and I myself am white. My sociology teacher even teaches masculinities classes and talks about the problems that men face as well. But the alt right would still cry that colleges brainwashed people with ~libtard agenda~
@ Like I said, I'm minoring in it because I enjoy the subject, not because it's necessarily relevant to astronomy. (Although I did start a group on encouraging women to major in STEM fields with the help of the Women's Studies Department).
You can be arrogant because you're minoring in a relevant field. I'm triple minoring in Mathematics, Physics, and Women's Studies. Who cares if the minor doesn't match the major. I don't care if it's "useless." I did it because I liked it! Anyone can minor in some random field. It's for passion and learning! I minored in subjects that are relevant, and a subject that was for fun.
Spuddicus Maximus How so?
Spuddicus Maximus 🤷♀️ Most people don’t minor in 2 things, let alone 3 things either way. Besides, most interviews are not riding on whether or not you have more minors than another candidate.
Employers look more for experience than number of minors. Perhaps major GPA and extracurricular activities in addition. I’m not at a disadvantage just because I minored in women’s studies. It’s merely an addition. I took some extra classes in a subject I enjoy, who cares? But of course there’ll always people like you who love shitting on people’s hobbies/interests/passions.
Dear Universities.
Please be free.
Sincerely,
Human Being
Well, free as in I don't need to pay? Sweet.
Wanna drop by Germany?
Banning Social Justice courses because of free speech
Ironic
This is the best argument point I've ever seen
I... I mean if you skipped to the last minute of the video where he talked about the petition you'll find that the point of it was to mimic what feminists have done. As they have gotten their extreme ideas into media discussions by the merit of having 50 000 signatures on a petition. So he could either use it as a way to get mainstream discussion on the topic or as way to make a point on the biases of mainstream British media outlets.
Sargon is quite bad at debates from what I've seen from the one I've watched, and he seems lazy with going through studies and stuff.
The fact that Hbomb tried to make the impression that Sargon expected universities to actually do something, makes Hbomb as disingenuous/lazy as Sargon, in this case.
Tl;dr you've misunderstood his point and to an extent been mislead by Hbomb.
@Axel Andersson Cut the word salad and just say that you’re trying to pass this off as a troll because it mates your side look bad. Lazy excuse mate...
@@magicsteve5523 You're wrong and seemingly too lazy to read my comment I don't understand what about this there is to troll about.
I watched the video, I mostly agree with it but I thing some things are disingenuous. I'm as much of a troll or a Nazi as you are censorious or believe in the violence pyramid. Everyone online isn't an extremist.
@Axel Andersson No I read the whole thing, you could have cut the entire thing down to “it’s just a joke”, still a lazy excuse.
It's important to point out that Sargon is a university drop out. So that's where his hatred for Unis comes from.
I like how a lot of those comments on the petition say "I'm pro free speech" followed in the same comment by "we should take their right to express their opinions"
"Other people will use different theories to analyze this data." - Ok, fair point. I personally use a blend of political economy, history, societal development and biology.
"Like what?"
"I dont know - I dont care" - Okay, now you are disqualified.
@@TheEclecticDyslexic Too much probably, considering he very easily COULD'VE said it himself in that heat of the moment, or addressed it in a later video like in the apology one. But nope.
@@TheEclecticDyslexic He spends his time ranting about feminism, but he can't offer an alternative theoretical framework? OK, nobody knows everything but this is a serious gap in his thinking that he needs to fix right?
Wait, he said he doesn't care? That disqualifies him from any claim to being a rational skeptic or critic. It shows he is a lazy, bloviating windbag who is completely incurious about the things he rants about.
Former Sargon fan here: The fact that Sargon still has a ton of fans despite everything going against him and nothing being anything like he says they are horrifies me
Damn, how'd that happen?
Not making fun of you I'm genuinely curious. I once thought Ben Sharpie-o was smart because his strawmen were really easy for my inexperienced teenage brain to absorb
And then I met real people and realized that human beings aren't actually shitty on average.
@@ShitkidOfJamrocknot OP, but also former Sargon fan. It was a multifactored series of events that led me out of the all right pipeline, but one of the big things that stands out is seeing what a bunch of con men with no principles these people were during the 2016 election. All their talk about liberalism went out the window as they pivoted to support an openly fascist candidate.
@@ShitkidOfJamrockprobably he was a teenager with typical issues of teenagers in this age - various insecurities, lack of social communications, underdeveloped personality et cetera. This is, i assume, also a reason, why he is a FORMER fan of Sargon. He just growed up.
@@ShitkidOfJamrock Not OP, but also a ex-fan of Sargon. What happened can actually be traced back to the Atheism movement on TH-cam. From there, these atheist TH-camrs ended up being anti-SJWs back when it was Chanty Binx, Anita Sarkeesian and Buzzfeed's Dear White People videos that were big. From that point onward it was like a pot slowly coming to a boil, but I didn't notice until one day Sargon said something that I couldn't say "agree to disagree" to and upon realizing that he could be so wrong on something so easy to not be wrong on, I distanced myself from all his and those around him's stuff until I had a clear idea of what my own actual thoughts were and I didn't return.
Half the boys in my sophomore class are his fans
Which as a closeted trans girl makes me feel very safe and accepted in a “free speech” society with no problems where women are treated equally 😃
this is an incredible reminiscence of how the angry vulnerable men talked about the suffragettes a hundred years ago. they printed satirical cartoons in the papers of these poor poor husbands having to do shores, they portrayed suffragettes as horrid witches and talked endlessly about how the women have gone too far and how men will loose their rights if women ever were granted the same.
it's embarrassing to hear the same fucking arguments against basic human rights. and sargon sitting there with a smirk trying not to laugh when hearing about the legality of rape in certain areas (cause rape is just a joke) should disqualify him from this conversation.
kloggmonkey some of these guys' jokes And cartoons are straight up anti suffragette propaganda, verbatim
That's privileged human beings for ya. The times change but they don't. They just find new ways to continue to spew the same bullshit.
The reason we are seeing the same propaganda in the modern day is because the zeitgeist of the usa has not changed since then
Carl of Swindon
>Claims to be an enlightened moderate
>has a Ben Garrison cartoon for his petition.
If you take the “angry SJW straw-woman” out of that political cartoon and replace it with a doodle of Carl (Karl?), it suddenly becomes very accurate.
That's the thing about all these alt-righters and antifeminists and shit. They are so lacking in self awareness, they don't even recognize that that political cartoon could be applied to them.
The only difference is that "BIG GOV" probably doesn't give a shit about him and would reply with "who are you, exactly?" instead of "our pleasure".
Karl komes to korrect us all
@@jidk6565 I'd be Kareful about using three Ks Konsecutively, krosses start to kombust at random
Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video,
i wanna also stress:
'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real...
No kidding.
Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know
the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'.
Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else
and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male,
so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally
a Strategy right now implored.
Did he seriously just laugh at a woman describing sexual assault because she said the word "semen"? Holy shit, his brain stopped developing at 13 didn't it?
It stopped developing at the age of 6.
Have a little respect.
Even a 13 year old wouldn’t laugh at that
Dude is definitely not laughing about the word "semen."
But men are so rational and logical uwu!
@@nevereverrgreen nah, a 3 year old would be too young to laugh at that
3:26 for "Soc justice is going to far."
one of the best visual hbomberguy jokes.
Why can't both neo nazi fascism and social justice be their own jokes?
Blond Panda IM CRYING
Sock Justice is my new indie rock band.
LSR's voice makes it work
I lost it at "too not racist"
ashamed to admit i signed this a few years back. glad im not that person anymore
I'm sure everyone in your personal life is glad too.
Ha! I switched the OTHER way. From Bernie to trump.
Trump 2020 haha
eyemall ears yeah, I heard a lot of Bernie supporters hated Hillary,and that they would vote for trump over Hillary once Bernie quit the race.
Edit: Bernie or trump for 2020? Because you do realize Bernie is running again right?
Blue Typhoon2017 I’m not American but I would vote for trump.
Eli ao I didn’t vote coz I’m not American. I switched political views because I came to a realisation - that socialism and communism is unrealistic and therefore dangerous.
13:20 That reminded of a joke.
A couple is in bed. The wife's reading, husband's watching TV. So she puts the book down and asks: "Hey, hon, what do you think is worse: ignorance or apathy?" The husband, without stopping his channel surfing, goes "I don't know and I don't care."
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That's a great joke 😂
Heavy "I'm a locksmith and I'm a locksmith" vibe.
I remember when I was 13 I was (and still am) a feminist who was discovering their gender and sexuality. I met this guy in his 30s online who was an anti-feminist asshat who thought feminists were "feminazis" and even had a fedora in his profile picture...He told me that I was "part of his tribe now" and spoke about supernatural shit. I told him I thought I was bisexual and transgender and he said I wasn't?? When we debated about feminism he would tell me to watch Sargon because he makes good and intelligent points...he ended up blocking me bc I was a feminist.
Now I look back and laugh so fucking hard. This 30 year old possible groomer debating a 13 year old on feminism, telling them to watch Sargon bc of his intelligence and then blocking said child because of their progressive political views, lmaooo
imagine being THIRTY years old and getting so butthurt over a child's opinion that you block them. That's just really sad
fun fact; there is no academic term such as "social justice courses", such thing does not exist.
Yes, it's not a course, but rather a category of courses that fall under the heading of courses taken by social justice warriors. Courses like gender studies, whiteness studies, black studies, etc. They serve no practical purpose as far as economic futures are concerned, or at least they wouldn't in a world that was more concerned about merit as opposed to social category. Basically the only thing they teach is how to make white men feel guilty and ashamed for all our sins, specifically the one where we exist. In the grand scheme of the cosmos though, a college can offer any course they deem fit, unless the college is funded in part or full through tax dollars. Then the school is required to follow specific non biased regulations. At least in America.
@@MrSpiritchild I'm assuming you're referring to things like women's studies and specific majors such as African American studies. Those things have ALWAYS existed. This is not a new concept. Those classes specialize in teaching about institutions in history and how they treated different groups of people. You're taught that in your U.S. History HIGHSCHOOL class. Those courses are only a more in depth look about very specific topics.
Also, what's this bullshit about having "no economic purpose?"
The high level math classes offered in university aren't applicable to most middle-class jobs, and neither are any of science or history requirements if they aren't a specialty in your career. A lot of those would fall under your weird description of economically inviable, it doesn't make them meaningless by any stretch.
@@rissa6125 I find it rather disingenuous to state they have 'always' existed. If as the courses state, white man bad, oppressive by nature, racism is in our DNA, etc., how foolish would our grandfathers have been to allow such courses in our highest educational systems. I do admit, for as long as I can remember they have been taught, just under one umbrella. Today they are taught as specialized courses, parted out and with clear purpose, to divide us. Separated in ideology as we are, we never look up, and we never see our true masters. Hannah Arendt once stated that throughout history there have only been two major ideologies to withstand the test of time, that of racial struggle, and that of class struggle. I would submit to you that we have lost the class struggle, and that those with class, (point to be argued later) are merely using the issues of race and gender struggles to keep us at each other's throats, and ultimately institute a new form of control that keeps them in power.
I further don't mean to imply that these course don't hold meaning to some, and though again, some may find an economic future with these courses, they pale in comparison to courses like engineering, physiology, medical training, etc. IE, those things that are actual trade skills. If one would provide for their right now as well as their future, I would see learning the trades first, and social studies seconds as the route to go. I certainly don't see any legitimate reason to use tax funding to help any individual pay for them, as they are not made for every gender or every race equally. The fact that white males are required to pay for these courses with their tax dollars makes the whole idea seem tyrannical in nature.
@@MrSpiritchild
That's a very well-worded rebuttal and I appreciate the time it must have taken to write it!
You have a right to disagree with the nature of these classes, but as someone who has taken courses centered on sociology and psychology, your implication they primarily demonize white men confuses me. Many of the units I was tested over went to great detail to emphasize biological and socio-cultural power dynamics. I can't help but feel you're implying that because you personally disagree with them that they hold no merit. For example, I was taught that the expectations of minorities and culture can amplify natural dispositions, such as men typically being more aggressive. Is that what your referring to as demonization? Personally I have never been subject to a lecture or assignment that specifically blamed white men for society's issues.
I can't agree with you that white men shouldn't have to pay taxes on non-trade courses though. Anyone who is a tax payer, regardless of race or gender is also paying for that. Social sciences and english courses, or linguistic classes are required for a lot of important degrees such as Education or Administrative.
Fundamentally speaking, I don't think I can convince you because I believe we have two foundationally different views of education. I'm not upset by others obtaining degrees or taking courses that I wouldn't use. I think in a first world country people are entitled to a higher education. However, I appreciate your response
@@rissa6125 First, thank you for your kind words, they are greatly appreciated and are much better the the stfu's I usually get.
Yes, we definitely have a different idea on on education, likely because you are educated and I am not. While it may seem that I mean that white men shouldn't have to pay for the education of minorities, I wish to be clear that I believe that no one should have to pay for the education of anyone but their own. My reasoning for this is simple, and that is to what you have pointed out, we all pay taxes, or at least most of us do. And most of us will never see the inside of a classroom of any of these higher educational facilities. To be clear, of the people that won't see the inside of these classrooms, they are made up of whites, blacks, latinos, natives, males, females, gays, lesbians, everyone. The people, or at least many of them, that are getting these educations aren't even aware of our existence outside of their own echo chambers, take their education for granted, and even if they did know we exist, don't really give a damn about what we feel about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that is, unless we agree with them personally. This paragraph is getting long so I'll move on to the next.
What I would like to see, instead of free stuff, such as free healthcare and free education, etc, is for my politicians to actually do their jobs. I don't know where you are from, I'm American, and outlined in our constitution are the actual jobs of our government. These are, to provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty. Any more then that, they over step their boundaries and are dangerously close to violating the liberty of many if not most. Any less, then our borders become unsafe, and the resulting nightmare generally keeps most of us in a perpetual state of living hand to mouth. I would much rather have my congress promote our welfare, rather then put us on welfare. This way we can not only afford our own healthcare and education, but we can afford the healthcare and education for our children as well.
Lastly; and this will be much shorter, I swear; I've been doing a lot of reading on propaganda by some of the great intellectuals of our time. From every thing I read it has occurred to me we are ruled by it by both the left and the right. This makes these courses, that are based off group identity and not individual identity, seem all too obviously convenient to me to be designed more for the separation of our people, then to actually educate us. While I am loathe to do so, there is a quote by hitler (note, I do not even capitalize his name) I feel everyone should know, in order to keep us safe from people like him. “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.” Sorry for any triggers. I want to see America become once again, home of the free, land of the brave. That would be my version of making America great again. But we can't do this as long as we remain at our perspective poles, and not meet at the equator. Peace out.
“Protect free speech and different opinions in universities”
*tries to shutdown university courses that they disagree with*
"Feminism is Orwell's nightmare come to life".
WAT.
It should be illegal to use the phrase "Orwell's nightmare" in any argument. It's a bit like comparing someone to Hitler.
unless it's a politicion using 1984 as a guide to redesign society.
I think they fail to realise that Orwell was a feminist and a communist
@Eric, The Fanboy Slayer Hence the book Animal Farm?
It is actually
Carl “over-prepared for a debate” Benjamin replies with “I don’t know, I don’t care”.
Sure sounds like something an overly prepared person would say.
Sargon of Akkad is a pundit in the same way that Lois Griffin from Family Guy is a piano instructor: you don't know shit, but as long as you're just one lesson ahead of your student, you'll appear as an authority.
Ye, Sargon is le logical fallacy master. I a fan of Sargon, have only mastered the No true Strawman fallacy.
That's pretty good for a pundit tho...
pietzsche Not if your audience is the lowest common denominator.
The difference is Sargon just makes up things to know to seem like he's knowledgable. "You see they call these triple keys and when you press three keys at once you make a Triple Sound."
Totino's Other Boy (yawn)
Also "Social Justice is becoming fascism" is hilarious when literal fascists are on the exact same bandwagon as Sargon and company
Gnomelord0 that is so stupid... Jesus christ
THe Alt right is like co-option personified.
For example, Orwell was a socialist
One month later: Holy shit, the fash has arrived
On the plus side: Spencer got punched in the face and is scared now 💜
What a time to be alive~
El Aquapimp How so?
Or maybe racism towards an ethnic/religious group is wrong, even if you personally single out and want to demonise that ethnic/religious group for definitely not racist reasons?
Lol, I still remember how Kristi backhanded Sargon. Sargon thought he was smart (the next Christopher Hitchens) but got completely shut down by who, Kristi...lmao.
lol yeah right, if anything she's the one who latched on while drowning.
magma2680 Yeah, it was Kristi that stopped citing sources and made completely idiotic claims with no basis in reality. Riiiiiiight
magma2680 ...what?
Luke Wren no no it makes sense, see-she’s a woman!
ppl who support sargon even after watching the entirety of this vid and seeing for themselves how sargon embarrassed himself against a professional who presented actual facts - are so hurt by this they will invent an alternate reality where their senpai sargon DIDNT look like a massive tool
I had never heard of "Sargon" until the Patreon "censorship" controversy blew up last year, and I quickly forgot him again until I got this video in my recommendations. The thumbnail footage of Carl giggling like a schoolboy the moment Kristi mentions 'semen', (even in such vile context) speaks volumes more about his character than any of his poorly thought out arguments ever could. The self-pwnage is strong with this one.
Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video,
i wanna also stress:
'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real...
No kidding.
Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know
the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'.
Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else
and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male,
so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally
a Strategy right now implored.
Entire Franchises burn,
like Doctor Who and Star Trek and its literal Insanity
that it all semi-mirrors what those N-jobs think of
whoever-they-disagree-with-and-some-more...
My Point: We live in a Parody of a Parody. Its name is Earth.
@@slevinchannel7589 so straight males are the real oppressed people because they aren't being casted in movies? Seems rather trivial in all honesty
@@bubby632 Haha, you totally misunderstood what i was saying. ...Have you not heard of James Bond and Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones all being humiliated and than replaced with a Mary-Sue (Female, White)? Have you not heard this happening multiple times, as if theres a obvious pattern that billions notice?
?
@@bubby632 Have you not noticed that we live in a Quality-Drought? How did you miss that??
@@slevinchannel7589 That's capitalism, they retire franchises and remake them, you liked those, cool, but there are worse
"I don't know - I don't care."
That's it in a nutshell.
He didn't go to University. He doesn't have the self-discipline it takes to research something to educate yourself. Then he unironically assumes he is in any position to tell universities how to educate their students.
I'll even go further and say that Sargon, and others like him (e.g. MundaneMatt), contribute nothing to society.
Sorry, but "being an angry, paranoid, ignorant polemicist on the internet" is not a marketable skill and shouldn't be put on one's CV.
I thought he had gone to university and did History
"I'll even go further and say that Sargon, and others like him (e.g. MundaneMatt), contribute nothing to society."
That's not entirely true. They produce carbon dioxide for plants.
+Wintermute01001 Fair point.
Carl's a dropout whose envy of his successful older sister kinda shines right the fuck through everything he's done.
But you don't get it man! *The Universities, they are infected with regressive ideas and thoughts!*
Universities are full of liberal lies and the poor people like him that seek and follow the truth are shunned by the oppressive, limp-wristed, totalitarian, fascist, racist, PC, marxist government regime!
College students are adults who can make their own choices and analyze information critically. They aren't "helpless children," who are being "indoctrinated."
That clip of Sargon being livid at the "president of the united state" telling a slight mistruth has aged especially well
Those who “hate” cancel culture sure seem to want to cancel a lot.
Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video,
i wanna also stress:
'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real...
No kidding.
Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know
the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'.
Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else
and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male,
so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally
a Strategy right now implored.
Entire Franchises burn,
like Doctor Who and Star Trek and its literal Insanity
that it all semi-mirrors what those N-jobs think of
whoever-they-disagree-with-and-some-more...
My Point: We live in a Parody of a Parody. Its name is Earth.
@@slevinchannel7589 so wait doctor who is sexist now because the main character isn't a man anymore? Have you actually watched the damn show? It's been progressive since the fucking 60s
I mean, the replies speak for themselves, no self awareness.
Don't like, don't watch is so hard to do apparently, beause it is and these people don't like to admit that.
@@razi_man Person 1: I don't like this movie
Person 2: You can't say that if you haven't watched it
Person 1: *watches movie*
Person 1: I don't like this movie
Person 2: If you don't like it, don't watch it
Person 1: ...
Person 1: *Confused screaming*
@Slevin Channel what the fuck are you smoking lmao.
Hollywood has white-washed roles in media for the last century. The excuse that white men are being replaced comes from the few projects that trade diversity for bonus points with minority demographics. The rest you are now seeing are from minority creators that are finally being allowed to tell stories outside of the white male experience in fairer, more balanced markets, and with Video on Demand, these stories stand a much better chance of being seen & praised, futher increasing the acceptance of outside viewpoints for general consumers.
Blaming Doctor Who's dogshit last few years has nothing to do with Jodie playing the character and EVERYTHING to do with Chris Chibnall, the Showrunner, pushing for more American style plot threads, presentation and standard Stan-baiting melodrama, while the BBC reduced the budget year-on-year and gave in to the right-wing "women bad feminism bad" dogwhistling to avoid losing more & more people to Online-only streaming over paying for the TV License.
Ask yourself why you're not saying anything bad about series 1-4 under Russell T. Davies. You know, the famously Gay showrunner that has come back to the show to correct the nosedive Chibnall put it in? He gave the women intelligent roles rather than just the screaming, clueless companions of old, and cast people who actually represent the diversity of the UK, especially London.
Meanwhile, Chibnall put a woman in a sexy Cyberman bikini suit while Showrunner head writer of Torchwood and used mostly white actors in a show that's set in Cardiff, a city that's been notoriously diverse for the last near 50 years.
You're living in a parody of real life, it's called "4Chan"
0:00 that cartoon about a feminist appealing to institutions to restrict the thoughts of others she disagrees with, being used in a petition where the creator is appealing to institutions to restrict university courses that he disagrees with..... we have officially reached peak irony
I love his response to Kristi's description of what a theoretical framework is, is to be offended that people would use feminism as that framework. That's the best response he could muster.
I don't think he understands what a theory is. When pressed he said 'psychology', and I had to point out that is a discipline, not a theory. facepalm.
+Kristi That's probably because he sees feminism as a monolithic entity that has all the answers and doesn't allow for disagreement.
+Kristi Winters I really enjoyed that part. It was like watching Rocky shove Apollo into the corner and unload.
You CAN see it through another framework. The cover your ears and go "LALALALALA" framework-very popular with SJWhaters
Kristi Winters Love you Kristi you're such a badass.
Sargon says he thinks he over prepared for that debate yet he had 10 citations compared to the 42 that Kirsti presented and not to mention that feminism is her Job and has performed decades of research. But somehow he lost because he was over prepared...
I am losing my shit at “sock justice is going to far”. The image accompaniment is the best.
3:27 :)
Same I literally paused the vid because I wasn't expecting it
We all know Sargon's debate performance was a complete embarrassment, so that was all hilarious to watch, but the part that actually grated on me was the way he kept addressing his opponent by name in the most condescending way possible. In their back-and-forth, he'd start almost every response that way.
It sounds stupid when I describe it, like, "Oh that asshole, how dare he address her by her actual name," but the way he would say it was just obnoxious. He'd use her name in this exasperated way like he was explaining to an elementary schooler what she got wrong on a test, or else he'd say it like he was chastising an argumentative child. You know that intonation parents use when their kids are being brats, like "Timmy, I'm counting to three..."? That's how he would say "Kristi." What an unjustified sense of superiority.
It's kind of like mansplaining. People thought it was just a made up grievance. Something women made up. But context matters. And it wasn't just women finding a way to victimize themselves or blame another thing on men. it happens a lot in workplace situations. Where everyone is one the same level yet a man feels the need to further explain what the woman just said to the woman who just said it.
I find the name a little weird because it happens to everyone but I think it happened to women for far too long that the name just stuck.
Well, what *are* social justice courses? just so I can check whether I ever took one...
also, his reaction to the rape story? gross, really gross and immature. I think I'll have to wash my eyes after seeing that
To Carl and his goons it seems to be any non-stem course
It's a much older argument than what old Sargon here pushes forward. Pretty much swap out "Social Justice" with "Liberal Arts" and you pretty much get the whole picture.
I watched a 35 minute video on his explanation for it. It was 50 hastily googled sources that came up when he typed in university social justice courses. Basically, anything with social justice in the name or that talks about gender counts. Also, a Pride centre from one university counted because it had social justice in it's title and Sargon doesn't like reading things to the end.
It's been a bit since I've seen it, but if memory serves he even sees it's a centre while he'd reading the title, and awkwardly stops and moves on, which gave me some serious gigs.
I took a art history class that dealt with how art and media is made to promote ideas, politics, and protests. This was defined as social justice in class. Which is.. funny considering "making videos on youtube to promote ideas" is social justice. Its wierd how words can change connotation.
SOCK JUSTICE IS GOING TO FAR
I'm four and I believe that sock justice has passed the line.
Applemask
That clip always makes me laugh really hard. The first time I saw it, I had to pause the video and collect myself.
Nothing says "free speech" and "anti-cancel culture" like trying to ban academic fields that are inconvenient to your political beliefs
MY COLLEGE HAD A QUIET ROOM. WHY DO THESE QUIET JUSTICE RANGERS WANT TO STOP ME FROM SHOUTING AND BLASTING MUSIC IN THERE. #freedom
SOCK JUSTICE IS GOING TO FAR killed me
Holy shit that was funny lolololol ^^^
I V E N E V E R R A P E D
Jonathan Lane I’ll be mailing you a pair of hand-stitched mismatched socks soon.
Anyone else think he sounded like David Tennant?
Ok thanks to hbomberguy’s coverage of the Golden One, I can no longer pronounce “beta” normally. And I’m currently trying to learn to speak Greek.
When I was a young teen, I unironically watched Sargon..
That's my confession. I'm glad I grew up in an environment where I was able to come to my own conclusions and change my opinions.
Watching this video gives me very complicated and painful feelings, but a similar amount of catharsis
You're extremely lucky that you were able to get out of that mindset and developed into your own person. Many others never get out and become just another cog in the hate machine
@@Sonichero151 i to when i was a mere child was a nazi but lil me being the softy i was never truly believed these assholes
I was really close to becoming a MRA/alt right turd. I also felt like my Sociology course was just a liberal indoctrination course. I even refused to write a paper about how gender and orientation is a spectrum; but I was a good enough student that my teacher had given me a good grade on it and hadn't even noticed I hadn't. What changed my mind? Meeting people who were different than me. I got a job with a diverse workforce, managed by a woman, with black people and the first gay guy I ever met. I learned that my perspective wasn't the only one that mattered, that in fact a lot of my perspective just didn't stand up to facts, that my life wasn't "normal," that no one's was. I learned to care about people other than myself. And at the end of my education, at my graduation ceremony, I came across my sociology professor, and I said, "You remember when I refused to write that paper about LGBT stuff? Well, I was wrong!" Now I'm a trans lesbian communist. XD Oops.
this unironically holy shit, poor fucker got MK-ULTRA real hard!
"I got a job with a diverse workforce" I feel this is the one common thing missiing from most anti sjw or MRA/Alt right folk. Most business nowadays have a diverse work force so you meet lots of different people. If you don't get that, your gonna be isolated from reality somewhat or at least only experience your immediate reality and this will effect yoru thinking.
kudosbudo agreed. The people in less diverse places are more vulnerable to getting swept up in that xenophobic outlook
That's a really touching story about how you managed to accept yourself! I'm very happy for you :)
MRAs are only interested in using men's issues as a diversion to remain wilfully ignorant of the wider issues in society with respect to gender equality, and have no desire to improve men's lives, often promoting toxic masculinity which is a factor in causing these issues.
Sargon sounds smart to American rubes because he has an accent.
thats a bit culturally insensitive
Yet not wrong.
Everybody speaks with an accent!
Anna Alu ouch. it hurts because it’s true
@@HereComesPopoBawa exactly. He has an English* accent so he sounds smart.
Sargon seems to be the kind of person who refuses to leave his comfort zone, that beign the straw man version of feminism that he has created in his mind from misinformation and ignorance.
He makes a lot of moolah telling people exactly what they want to hear. Why would he leave that comfort zone?
34finisher Exactly
It's funny that you straw man Sargon by saying he straw mans feminism.
+Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus Who brought all this straw here!?
SAFE SPACES ARE EVIL ALSO I LIKE IT HERE IN MY SAFE SPACE - Sargon of Akkad
This man attempted to run for Parliament when he couldn't even be bothered to write his own petition.
How'd it work out for him?
Terrible
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874WELL he helped tank the already floundering UKIP with his defense of child abuse by a religious institution
It kinda makes me sad to hear Carl talk. He doesn't really seem stupid or necessarily "evil" , it just seems to me that he's trapped within the cell that is called confirmation bias and every time he tries to escape, the wardens, his feelings, beat him until he crawls back into his cell where he spends most of his days fantasizing with his friends, Ignorance and Laziness, about how evil feminism is while the weird figure in the corner called Straw Man every now and then whispers into his ears "Feminists think that all white men are racist."
I think it goes to show that he does his schtick not necessarily because he believes it or because he's proud of it, but because he knows that's the audience he's got.
He has a Patreon to keep up, being a shitlord is his job now.
We can only hope the bottom falls out of this market.
+GeoNeilUK: That's a good point actually.. it's kind of sad when you think about it. He has big male audience of sex-deprived dolts, all furious at their mothers/ex-girlfriends or virgins. He really doesn't seem passionate about it any more, you can see it in his eyes. But it pays the bills, so he has to serve up his weekly tray of slops, keep grinding out those Anna Sarkisian rants, or whatever the popular weekly conspiracy theory is.
I try to show that level of charity too usually. But then I saw his Twitter feed.
Yeah, I think the audience is definitely also a factor. Especially since he's a father and to some degree I have sympathy for him but on the other hand he does a lot of damage by perpetuating falsehoods and fueling an entire community with a hostile "them vs. us" mentality.
I don't know if you actually has any degree in psychology, but what you've described is basically what my feelings were, and sometimes are, relating the topics of Sociology and all the mess with Carl. I've sincerely found his channel when I was in my lowest point in my life (still am) and, even though I've found a comfort zone, I've never got used to it, I literally think watching his vids dumbed me down. I'm still trying to get away from this lack of rational thought.
In response to a question about what alternative he has during the debate: "I don't know, I don't care."
His idea of why he looked like a idiot during/after the debate: "I think I might have overprepared."
Truly, we're dealing with an intellectual powerhouse here.
What do the people against dyed hair? They always bring it up whenever they describe their imaginary person
Uh it's a stereotype because it's A. a popular look with many online outspoken feminists, and B. A lot of trans people, so it's partially just kinda a transphobic stereotype (you'll often see comments online which stereotype trans people as like "blue haired teacher's pets" (or at least that's one I've personally seen a fair few times against me) and things like that.)
they also try to claim that it’s “just like it is in nature” where animals know to avoid trying to eat other brightly colored animals because they might be poisonous or dangerous. y’know. like how poison dart frogs are bright fucking colors. so they think “oh yeah that’s the same kind of social signaling telling me to avoid the girls with the bright blue hair they must be showing how toxic they are” despite that just not being how humans work at all.
"Maybe I was overprepared" is now my go to excuse whenever I've just winged it.
"Other people will use different theories to analyze this data"
and we would call that pseudoscience. Imagine if a biologist used "Other theories" to study biology that weren't evolutionary theory, or particle physicists that used "other theories" from quantum theory in their work.
"i may have overprepared somewhat"
Literally only worked from 10 sources which he eventually stopped using about halfway, meanwhile winters had so many sources that they had to put an entire Dropbox file in the description just to fit them all in. As well, most of the time she was talking, he was making mocking gestures like playing a violin or sarcastically gasping, and when he would speak it was with contempt and vitriol, projecting his petty argumentative tactics onto winters.
I can't believe i actually accepted a debate with this guy. There's no goddamn way in hell in going through with it if this is how he behaves in a formal debate.
You mean different theories like lamarck vs Darwins theory of evolution, right? Sorry to tell you but even when later a theory turns out to be true than the other, at the point they first came up no one could be sure which one was right.
So if you don't want to consider other peoples theories about subjects than you have no place in science.
L0LWTF1337 Except for the fact that feminist theory has been around for decades. So, nice try.
@@ThePi314Man Man, what I'm going to say has little to do with your critisism of that guy, but I have to point out that there is no one true theory in say, physics. There are countless theories that give good predictions for certain systems in certain conditions. One theory doesn't just cancel another as long as the former works. For the easiest example, you still use Newtonian physics to describe a baseball trajectory, because you don't need relativistic or quantum approach for an object that size going at a reasonable speed (you still could use relativistic equasions, but that's far too overcomplicating). Even in quantum physics there are numerous ways of approximation of the wavefunction, all of which may be used for the same systems. This kind of makes your parallel irrelevant.
The problem with our beloved King of Asgaroth (did I get it right?) is that he just dismisses the feminist interpretation for the data and doesn't give any of his own. He refuses to actually make a valid point in this argument because he is too fucking convinced in his own biases.
@@GalkinSibiryak As someone with a degree in sociology I'll go a step further and say the "sociological academy" itself does not agree that feminism is the one true framework to view society through. It falls under the much larger umbrella of conflict theory, then critical theory under that, then probably feminist theory (alongside other concepts like critical race theory). Other large schools of thought in sociology that have been used to address inequality are functionalism (pretty unpopular nowadays), and in some cases symbolic interactionism. Each have huge bodies of research and theory under them, and in some cases have merit.
Not that this gives any points to Sargon ithough. Since he seems to think sociology courses are so much bad-think and should be banned, he probably wouldn't even know these theories exist. Maybe if he had exhausted himself preparing as he said he may have stumbled across these; they're in every sociology 101 course, quizlet, and youtube video on social theory.
OP's point has sour implications. I would go so far as to call them wrong.
Your comment is quite ironic since it shows that you also are similar to the illogical right wingers. I don't know about sociology but the physics and biology have multiple theories on the same topic.
Can Carlgon watch more than 5 minutes this time? You can do it this time man!
not going to happen. he can't even be bothered to read the shit he cites in his videos.
Glorious Lord Sargon can only read or watch criticism if you kiss his butt every ten seconds.
Units of time larger than five minutes are a regressive left marxist conspiracy, sign my petition to ban them!
Unless it is one of Sargon's TL;DW 3 hour long videos. In that case it is thought provoking entertainment. Lol. No way I could sit through 3 hours of him rambling.
wait a minute. Carlgon? Ancient shitlord secret, huh?
"Carl doesn't know, he doesn't care, and he wants to know and care less."
Damn, I feel like you could replace the word "Carl" with "American Republicans" and it'd still be an accurate statement.
This is a problem with outspoken conservatives in general. Especially when they lack any sort of intellectual background or actual information.
And I sometimes 'feel' that you could replace 'Carl' with "American Democrats" and it would still be accurate.
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It does not mean that it *would* be accurate thought. The claim is not about the Democrates. It is solely about me. Just as yours is soley about you.
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How boring! :)
@@zapazap - I mean, you can flip words around and make statements about literally anything. However only some versions of the statement are going to be true. Replace "Carl" with "Republicans" and it's easy to find examples within the current Republican party leadership that back up the statement, using any number of subjects. Try it with Democrats though, and there's a lot less supporting evidence because they just don't actively promote a culture of willful ignorance like the Republicans do.
@@KingBobXVI
//because they just don't actively promote a culture of willful ignorance like the Republicans do.//
_Injected polemic._
Cheers! :)
Chris Farley in Tommy Boy was a more intellectual being.... at least he managed to remember his dad's famous sales pitch and saved his town from financial collapse.
11:20 One of my little sisters was drugged at a party. Thankfully her friends got her in an ambulance before anything was done by the perpetrators to take advantage of the situation. If I ever found out who spiked her drink, wow be unto them! It’s all a funny hypothetical scenario until it’s not. How can he laugh at that scenario?! It’s fucking horrifying!
I live in Denmark, where it’s very criminal to drug someone without their knowledge, and much worse to take advantage of them afterwards. And even then, I don’t feel super safe.
I think Assad should get a taste for what it’s like not to have protection and safety. Maybe he should take a trip to a fun country and have some fun. I’m thinking South Sudan or Eritrea
It’s not funny. Ever. The idea of deriving humor from it angers me.
I'm not sure how you can say that's a "funny hypothetical"? Even hypothetically that's disgusting and horrific.
People who don’t understand Orwell yet cite Orwell might be the worst people
reading this comment on 14th jan 2021 hits really different 😢
It’s hilarious how people frequently cite him to combat “leftist” ideas… despite the fact he was an actual fucking socialist. The only thing more ironic would be citing Marx to explain why Nazisim is good, actually
The 2nd hand embarrassment of trying to watch that debate was nearly too much to bear. Also the disappointment of his opponent when she realized he was just going to be a twat without any sources or really even an argument made me genuinely sad that she had to waste her time on him.
Reminds me of a time when Rob Schnider tried getting a court involved into anti vaccine thing and the judge actually replied "I wasted two hours of my life that I will never get back with Deuce Biggalo Male Jiggelo"
Me, years later as a high school senior doing applications:
Dear UNIVERSITIES,
please?
Going back to an hbomberguy video that you haven’t watched in years to listen to it during work, and realizing that you can understand a visual gag by the audio playing under it. It’s like coming home
Shout out to all people revisiting the classics ✌
Carl reminds me of the engineering student who gets a D on their cobbled together end-semester project before going online to gloat about hes so much smarter than all of the English/Communications majors.
Change engineering student to kindergarten student who has to repeat kindergarten for the 4th time and your comment makes a lot more sense lololol.
Listening to that in 2019 when Bolsanaro is shutting down sociology classes and studies in state university and Sargon is running for UKIP make it loose all fun.
I'd like to see Sargon debate with an Anarchist or Marxist. Although it would be in vain because Sargon's income is now based upon his Cherished Liberalism.
Yo keep making great videos. Can you maybe do a commentary on a guy called Computing Forever?
Oh, my friend's been linking me to some videos of his. After hearing him talk so much about "what the science says," we decided we'd look up what the guy's actually credentials and background were.
You know what it was? Not fucking science. Tech journalism and making videos.
Do you know any other of these poodledannies who say "I know everything about Marxism" yet are completely obvious to it?
I know Vee does "Marx didn't talk about the middle class" - Yes he did.
I wanna make a Marxism vs Cultural Marxism video.
Sargon doesn't know about anything that is more left than him would be pretty funny
Oh hey badmouseproductions! love your videos! I bet Sargon doesn't even know the difference between Marxist-Leninism, Maoism and Stalinism, or the difference between Mutualism and AnComunism. Haha I bet he'd even call Foucault an "ebil sjw feminazi!!"
how in the holiest of hecks did sargon find himself a wife
Even worse: he procreated.
"I don't know - I don't care."
Never has Carl said anything more truthful and evident. The misreading of studies, the strawmanning, the baseless assertions, (12:22 is a 'favorite' micro-rant of mine) the audience-pandering, (most likely, gotta get that patreon money) 'over-preparing' (???????) and apparently only having a five minute attention span truly does make one thing true - he doesn't know, and he sure as hell doesn't care.
Isn't it a bit funny that the fascists who cite 1984 all the time sort of, erm, didn't notice that it's about...fascism? Oh dear :P
And the people that are busy labeling other people fascists never realize that fascism isn't a right or left thing, as much as it's a thing that rises up when large portions of the population spend too much time not being represented by their government, and can come from either the left or right. And in likely more cases, fascism rises up among people that are neither left or right, as not having a specific political stance makes it hard for existing political parties to recruit them once they have sworn allegiance to the fascist leader.
@@MrSpiritchild No, Fascism is very much a specifically right-wing phenomenon. Ultra-conservative regressive ethno-nationalism is literally just "What if we had conservatives... BUT MORE?".
@@mrsuspicious1743 I fully agree that the origin of fascism has it's beginning in that which is far right. But today, we see fascist behavior from both sides. Fascism itself is a method of operation that involves silencing opponents, limiting economic opportunity, and using force to obtain your goals when all else fails. To say that fascism is only a right phenomena is to ignore the dangers that pure fascism represents. When you consider, in the beginning of the republican party they freed the slaves while the democrats fought to keep slaves. But somehow the narrative makes republicans out to be the bigots while the democrats have somehow become the defenders of minorities. So a choice should be made. Either the nature of a thing is fixed and rigid, in which case the democrats would still be the bigots. Or the nature of men is evil and we can cross the lines of what makes our parties criminal. We can't have both. so pick one.
Literally, fascism is the absolute control by the governing body that forbids any spiritual, social or economic diversity from the will of the state. Now whether that forced conformity is due to race or religion, or an all inclusive demand for multiculturalism, it is still fascism.
@@MrSpiritchild ...No, Fascism has a specific definition that you appear to have misinterpreted. It's ultra-conservative (to the point of advocating social regression to a prior point in it's development, real or imagined though that point may be) ultra-nationalism. You seem to think fascism is the addresse in the sentance "But I dun WANNA clean my room, MOOOM!". Fascism is, fundamentally, by nature of its being, a politically right-wing phenomenon BECAUSE of it's advocacy for social regression to the (mythologised version sold by fascists of the) past. You, on the other hand, appear to have confused fascism with being told you can't do certain things, which broadens, intentionally or otherwise, the definition of fascism to the point where it includes, literally, every single society that has ever existed.
P.S. No-one, and I do mean NO-ONE, cares about what the Republicans and Democrats were doing "at the begining". Organisations change.
@@mrsuspicious1743 If I were to do something so stupid as to be unbelievable, one might open a dictionary to find my picture in it as an example of stupidity. This joke, as it were, as a conceptualized reality of fascism, is how we have our existing definition of fascism. We open up the dictionary and we are almost unilaterally directed to the image of hitler and his form of fascism. When in fact, in history, the political debate concerning it is like a circle jerk of people pointing at each other in accusation of everyone but themselves. The religious blaming the socialist, the socialists blaming the capitalist, the capitalists blaming the religious, and round and round we go. The fact of the matter is they are all correct, but enter hitler and his BS and suddenly they can all turn and point to him. This is the danger I point to, that when we focus and declare that an evil can only be committed by one type of person, in one way, we are ultimately left surprised when someone new rises up and commits the same evil under a different mask. This is why, while I take the current definition of fascism to heart, I focus more on the behavior of fascists then the political understanding of it. This behavior is economic control, the silencing of opposition, and the use of force when the other two don't work. It is a group think system that is ruled by a dictator in order to create a totalitarianism form of government. Everyone, and I do mean every one, (imagine my smirk here) can do it regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum. IE, it is when group concepts become more valid then individual sovereignty that fascism races it's ugly head. And no, I don't see fascism as not being allowed to behave in a specific fashion, I see it as a system of government that requires me to behave in a specific fashion, up to and including the very thoughts in my head, and feelings in my heart.
If he doesn't know, and doesn't care, he should be talking about something else.
The real racists were the friends we made along the way.
lol
Depending on where you hang your hat digitally, that may actually be true.
@@thejason755 Despite agreeing with EVERYTHING in this video,
i wanna also stress:
'The evil hate on White Straight Males'... has become real...
No kidding.
Its very obvious from current Hollywood and you probably know
the whole Issue under the term 'Woke'.
Yeah, replacing all White Male Actors with something else
and even humiliating former Protagonists, who are Male,
so they look worse than ever (pi--ing off all Fans with it) is totally
a Strategy right now implored.
Entire Franchises burn,
like Doctor Who and Star Trek and its literal Insanity
that it all semi-mirrors what those N-jobs think of
whoever-they-disagree-with-and-some-more...
My Point: We live in a Parody of a Parody. Its name is Earth.
@@slevinchannel7589 nope wrong again
Probably Sargon, it's NOT A DEBATE if you are just reading from a script off your computer screen. What the fuck was that train wreck?
Sargon: "HAHA RAPE IS SO FUNNY I CANT STOP LAUGHING"
Well, this debate was following the more "academic" format. Each side gives a statement, then they take turns at a rebuttal. So for the initial statement it makes sense to write it out ahead of time in that format.
No, the really damning part is that Mr. Benjamin has time to prepare his opening statement to address the prompt he's given... and he fails to address the prompt that he's given.
MRAs and youtubers in general think "pwnage video" and "doctoral thesis" are equivalent.
10:03 help
Sure thing.
*Short version:* Use "Daodejing" and "Laozi" since those are official by Chinese and international standards. Stop right here if you want to remain innocent and pure.
*Long version:* You're not wrong. But you're being unintentionally political.
You'll sometime see "Tao" instead of "Dao" and "Tzu" instead of "Zi" because of a transliteration clash. The former is Wade-Giles and the latter is Pinyin. If the latter looks like a foreign name, it's because it is Chinese and literally means "spelled sounds." It's also the officially designated romanization system as determined by the PRC and eventually the ROC in 2009. And because it was promoted by the PRC, it has caused some people to continue to hold out and use Wade-Giles. Familiarity also plays a big role - many people simply saw Wade-Giles first and didn't give a shit about updating their knowledge. You see this with names (pinyin in parenthesis) like Sun Tzu (Sunzi), Nanking (Nanjing), and Peking (Beijing).
And on that first example, you may have noticed a dispute with spacing. Simply put, spacing doesn't exist in Chinese - combinations are implicit to the meaning. Hell, more alarmingly old texts have implied _punctuation,_ which is even more annoying when double meanings are part of the intended experience. So when you do see spaces, that's added meaning that is _exclusive_ to the romanization. The criteria is stuck between a battle of the regularity of all Chinese characters (the urge to put a space between each character) and the combination of characters in regular "ci" form (basically the obvious formulation of the word).
What's worse is that sometimes you'll see numbers like dao4de2jing1 or accents like Dàodé Jīng. These are used specifically to disambiguate the tone. Officially pinyin uses the latter but you'll notice it's a pain to actually type those in, so some people use the former. In China, no one uses any of them and it's inferred, though officially in class the textbooks have the latter. Any ambiguity here is based on how annoying it is to input these things.
So to bring this back around:
*Tao Te Ching* is old Wade-Giles, with spacing that is trying to emphasize the regularity of Chinese characters in a way that Chinese people don't ever do. You use this if you don't want to update your Chinese knowledge past the 60s, have a hate-boner for all things Communist, want to claim that the central (literary) authority of China is still in dispute, prefer a system written by white people, or are an edgy teenager who takes no shit from authority figures.
*Dao De Jing* is official Pinyin, with spacing that no Chinese person would ever do. You use this if you're updated but otherwise still new at the whole learning Chinese deal, probably a foreigner, and probably really giddy that Chinese characters have this cool regularity that lends itself well to printing. You especially do this if you have a hate-boner for kerning problems. Also you capitalize because Titles Have Capitalization in English.
*Dàodé Jīng* is official Pinyin and the most common way you'll see Chinese people do the romanization for foreigners. You use this to emphasize that the "Daode" part is together (meaning "ethics") and "Jing" is separate (meaning "classic" or "book"). And you add in the tones because it's the most disambiguated form. Also capitalization exists in English for titles.
*daodejing* is how most Chinese people will actually type it in. You use this because adding spaces means more button clicks and the input method will guess correctly anyways. Virtually all Chinese people will get what you mean by this anyways. Also capitalization doesn't exist in Chinese either, that's a "westerner thing."
_Ultimately they all get the point across._ The difference is in how people will judge you or whatever political statement you are trying to make. And the less likely you are to know the details about the (PRC-ROC/China-Taiwan) feud, the less likely people are going to interpret what you do as political and much more as a misunderstanding.
@Ma Pa From personal experience, I've seen Americans who begin to engage with Chinese often get confused as to how to transliterate. I presume that the same can be said about hbomberguy who doesn't want to get it horribly wrong but also doesn't know how to unpack to stupid that is the current deadlock.
I had no idea about any of this. Very informative, thank you.
Underrated comment. Great breakdown and thank you for taking the time to educate
his channel's name "sargon of akkad" a middle eastern mesopotemian ruler and he's a white nationalist??
but he was a succesful man with power he must have been white!
@Freespirited Peace At least Japan had something of an actual historical partnership with Nazi Germany. Russian neo nazis worship someone who wanted them all killed and subjugated as slaves.
So he did the same thing he called out Anita Sarkeesian for? Taking money and producing no results.
and Anita eventually actually finished it eventually
You're right about Sargon. Sargon pretty much took people's money and produced no results. Whereas Anita Sarkeesian actually produced valuable and insightful videos.