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One thing to understand is that alot of Gen X left wingers or liberals (pls don't kill me with terminology I'm a dumb dumb) have switched slowly to conservative beliefs, my mom did the same thing. I believe the idea of freedom of body and distrust of the government of that generation causes them to make the switch. You will likely find more Gen Xers who have switched from lib to con
@bigJoel I Laughed so hard at 22:25 . Beacause, the answer is... the USA has the fastest rate of Atheism in the world and an Atheist lives a life closer to the teachings of Jesus than the modern American self-identifying Christian. 🤣
I know you probably won't read it, but your video made me very emotional, just seeing nostalgia critic part and Roseanne Barr made me feel bad for them, I wondered what happend in their lives that they turned out that way (oh and the same goes for people like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh), is the reason why they act like that rooted in childhood trauma? Self hatred? I can't be even mad at Roseanne because in how pitful situation she is, how lied to she is. I would really love to know what pushed them where they are right now
I'm fascinated by the skit about the conservative teacher. When he says the line "You have objectively weak parents..." and it cuts to the woke SJW looking shocked, I was expecting him to finish the line by going "But I can help" or "but that doesn't mean you have to be weak" and he'd then inspire the kid to be a cool strong traditional American or whatever. But no, he just goes "You're also weak and I hate you" and it made me realize, he doesn't want to "correct" the kid or take them under his wing and show them how to be a "strong" person or whatever, it's just time to shit on the kid. He doesn't want to improve lives or help kids like a teacher might, he basically is just there to roast all of the students and make them sad. That's all he wants, that's all his audience wants, they just want to bully those nasty woke liberals
a pattern i've noticed with transphobes is telling trans people to "get help", yet in the many times i've seen said suggestion, none actually answer what this "help" is. it's almost like they don't actually want to ""help"" trans people, but just further taunt them.
When I hear "get help" the joke is usually that the person has a mental illness (help being therapy/medication). In that context, it makes perfect sense since it implies that gender nonconformity is a mental illness. Thankfully I've never had to deal with someone that deep in the conservative hole.
I remember Shapiro saying that the whole inspiration behind producing movies was to remove politics from them. As predicted, "removing politics" just meant "inserting politics we like and being about as subtle as a sledgehammer". They WANT to be what they think Hollywood is.
Also almost anything, even if unintentionally, political. Dr Seuss books, if you understand historical context, was political. Sonic the hedgehog in a vaguely simple way is political. You can't necessarily escape it. And it sometimes makes a film more interesting if done right.
@@tressonkaru7410 Yeah, the Sonic series, both in the games and in the expanded media (comics, anime, etc.) is very clearly anti-authoritarian in its messaging - you have a plucky blue hedgehog (and his various friends) going up against a mad scientist and an army of robot slaves bent on world domination.
"we wanted to make a doc about how easy it is to join womens basketball as a man but we couldnt do it because it wasnt easy at all" WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THEN
They were probably thinking one of 2 things: 1) Even if trans women "go all the way" they still have some intrinsic advantage at sports just by way of having a Y chromosome. This belief is obviously very wrong but if you did believe this then criticising trans people in sports would at least be a logical course of action even if you exaggerated it substantially in doing so 2) They don't actually care about trans people in sports at all directly, they only care about using it as the thin end of the wedge to promote transphobia in general, and eventually overall queerphobia
@bosstowndynamics5488 so why do men only go into women sports and not vice versa? Because of the natural difference in bone structure and natural muscle we have? Once enough mentally challenged ppl join the women sports there won't be women sports just men sports.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 im all for living at let live.....but i kinda do think that trans women do have an advantage over they XX peers when it comes to sport. i agree that those folks dont give a flying fuck about female sport/leagues but......that doesnt make the advantage point invalid.
@@notyourdamnbusiness8795 The fact they don't care isn't what invalidates the advantage point, the reason most people don't consider trans athletes to have an advantage is because, for the most part, they don't. This isn't as new of an area as reactionaries would have you believe, there's been studies on the performance of cis vs trans women and after a period on hormones their performance is largely equivalent in most sports, with the exceptions being areas where being tall confers an advantage more than anything else as post puberty MTF transition tends to result in being taller than cis women (and even then you could just stratify athletes by height, the actual thing conferring advantage, instead of mostly meaningless markers like chromosomes). The only thing the y chromosome does is make testosterone, so in and of itself it confers no advantage to athletes on exogenous hormones that suppress testosterone production - this is the key reason DW couldn't do a "documentary", because none of their cis man participants were willing to self inflict gender dysphoria by going on hormones for it, and even if they were they would almost certainly have lost anyway since a bit of height can't compensate for far less skill even in a height advantage game like basketball.
It is so bizarre to me that he outright said that. Its one thing to intend it, say it, then edit it out. It's crazy to me he admitted it publicly. That the entire premise of his comedy is nonsense.
I think I just had an epiphany about conservative humor. The jokes aren't actually IN the act or the film. The jokes are in the mind of the conservative viewers as they imagine the responses of triggered liberals.
That child actress in lady ballers has way better comedic timing than any of the grown ass professionals around her. Like that list of things boys are better at is a dumb joke but she actually delivered it with the correct cadence for the joke to work which is more than you can say for anyone else
That punching scene in Lady Ballers pulls away the curtain so cleanly. Finally a character attempts a sincere conversation, an intimate moment with a person coming out to a friend. Only to be met with stone-faced contempt, disgust, and immediate violence. Alex is not refuted by words or even laughter, no, only naked violence suffices to disprove her silly claim to womanhood. All the jokes, all the lampooning and terrible satire, everything suddenly makes sense. Ugly, cruel, violent, a cathartic moment in a conservative fantasy. Congrats to Gary’s actor in that scene, it's the only one where he feels authentic. Actually made me sick to my stomach.
I know. I remember seeing parts of that scene before, and it broke my heart. Alex shares about her struggles, and her moment of finally feeling "right" when she went into drag. She was so sincere I expected the answer to be "oh okay, you're a real trans woman, I respect that" and for that moment to show that the filmmakers believe trans people exist, they just want to keep them out of sports. But Joel cut out quite a bit from that scene. He cut out Gary's rant about how Alex is just sick and misguided, and there's no way she's a woman. How trans women are just messed up or brainwashed. It shocked me how willing he was to say that to her face. Usually conservatives at least try to say something kind of compassionate towards what they deem as "real" trans people. Gary said the quiet part out loud. I wish I could give the character Alex some hugs. She felt so real in a sea of satire.
As a trans woman, damn was this painful towards the end. Perhaps the thing that pisses me off the most is how transwomen in sports is *the* thing that they talk about. You know what we actually care about? Access to healthcare, employment, and housing; being respected by our families, coworkers, and society at large. Conservatives talk about sports because it's something they can win on and sound more reasonable. It's the motte and bailey when their actual stance is criminalizing our existence.
It’s so crazy to me how much trans existence in the conservative eye is entirely just bathrooms and sports. Like all trans women do is just shit and ball. It would be absurdly funny were it not so harrowing
can confirm, Im trans masc and Ill be talking about a number of random other things and theyll go "trans women in sports!" and like - I hate sports. I dont wanna talk about sports. Sorry to trans athletes but I just can barely care about that. Because it's ultimately still just sports to me, which is like how my sister feels when I try to talk about dnd.
@@chrisbfreelance I almost feel bad for people like you. Being so devoid of empathy, so resistant to listening to medical and scientific experts, thinking that showing decency to others is a burden. Then I remember transphobes actively try to make my life worse.
I can confirm. Im a trans woman and i dont care if someone is better or worse at basketball than me. On a surface level i think trans people should have their identities respected in sports, or at the very least there should be some sort of unisex league. But that is so far removed from my list of priorities
i have spent quite a lot of time around people who are the new agey/energy crowd, and the reason why the dude went from new age spiritualist to hardcore conservative is because new age spiritualists are often way WAY more conservative than you'd expect. being anti-vax, anti-feminist, 'anti-woke' is super common in that culture.
I... used to be unsure as to how there was a lot of psycho-reactionary stuff from the new-age movements, until I read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, which was a memoir of a commune of one of the big LSD movers-and-shakers back in the 60s. Then it became very obvious (to me) how it could be. They weren't progressive - just a bunch of hedonists who thought their hedonism made them better than others. Goodness knows that the mainstream culture of the U.S. in the 60s wasn't good, it obviously wasn't. But a big bit of the counter-culture wasn't civil right movements and the like, but just... well, druggies.
It might also be that new agey/energy people already have such a crazy and unreasonable understanding of the world that these other beliefs that deny (scientific) reality isnt a leap. Being conservative is comparatively grounded.
That's not what cognitive dissonance means. You're describing compartmentalism. Cognitive dissonance refers to feelings of discomfort when you actively and most importantly knowingly engage in actions and behaviour which contradict your beliefs and values. Simply holding multiple values or beliefs which contradict simultaneously is just compartmentalizing.
Exactly. The venn diagram of back to the earth, natural medicine, flowy skirt hippies and anti-vax, racial supremacist, "trad" conservatives is nearly a circle.
The scene with the daughter "wanting to be a man" is particularly funny in a... deeply disturbing way. Like my thought was "oh, they'll like have some ham-fisted 'women are good at some things and men are good at some things' moral message" but instead... like they just say men actually ARE better than women. Like, shit, in the world they present why wouldn't you want to be a man?
With how conservatives talk about gender you'd think men were all superhuman roided out terminators and women are all just like the eraserhead baby dragging our bodies across the floor when in reality consistent, guaranteed sex differences just don't exist lol. There's tendencies, but nothing is guaranteed. If the reason trans women are banned from women's sports is because they're tall, what about cis women who are just as tall? Why don't we separate basketball teams by height instead of gender? What about cis men who wanna play basketball and are good at it but are stuck at a dead end because they're 5' 7"? Isn't that unfair to them? Why do we care so much about high school teams when for most people high school sports are entirely about making friends and having fun? The more you think about it the more obvious it is they just want to exclude the people they hate from public view. Before trans women it was lesbians everyone wanted to ban from bathrooms and sports. Time is a flat circle. For comparison, a fun factoid I remember is that many sports have a relative age effect where people born in the first few months of the year are overrepresented because in youth leagues they're months older than their peers and as a kid that makes a huge difference. So they get more attention from coaches, enjoy their time more, and are more likely to continue the sport until they're old enough a few months doesn't make a difference. Sports are inherently unfair in about 10 billion ways, but we only care when it means we can exclude marginalized groups
Without seeing the rest of the movie it's almost a Twilight Zone-esque cautionary tale twist: As she lists things we rack focus slowly back to Rod Serling to talk about how you played the system and the game and you won both. But in doing so you've proven to your child that men are better at the things your daughter wants to be. Now you have a gender-questioning child as your 'ironic prize.'
the most telling thing is ben shapiro's slip saying "they dont allow ACTUAL men to join a womens basket ball league" which shows that, at least in some capacity, he does think that trans women aren't men. there's got to be some small part of him that knows that he's been lying and talking out of his ass the entire time
Ben Shapiro is one of those rage vultures who doesn’t really believe most of the things he says. His career is built off satisfying the most extreme & radical people he can, because those people have a mob mentality and will give him a lot more money and notoriety. But like other political influencers like piers morgan for example, he most likely doesn’t really care about what he’s saying 99% of the time
@@lunarrover4923yeah he’s a shill. If you watched him pre-2016, he talked so much shit about Trump and his campaign. But then he fell into the MAGA fold because of good ol- peer pressure (and an opportunity to grow his own brand).
I don't know. A lot of conservative trans rhetoric revolves around treating trans people as facisimiles attempting to be something they're not and becoming nothing in the process. A common anti trans shitpost on 4chan for instance was "your dad lost a son and didn't gain a daughter".
I just heard few days ago (from YT comments) that multiple trans people came out saying that Ben Shapiro is very pleasant in private and even called them by preferred pronouns
It's such a gift to be told Lady Ballers was supposed to be a documentary, but was stymied by the fact the entire point of the satire doesn't reflect reality. And then they went ahead and tried to make the satire anyway. I had no idea of this hilarious and telling fact. Thank you Huge Joel.
@@limemason it was specifically that it turns out most leagues actually have requirements (e.g. being on over two years of hrt, which affects things like metabolism, muscle distribution, etc) which no one was willing to do for a dumb daily wire video, and that cis guys can't just walk up and say 'i identify as a woman' and immediately get to play, which was the core thesis of their movie.
bro wanted to prove how easy it was to join the women's basketball league but couldn't, reminds me of that one always sunny episode where dennis is trying to prove how easy it is to buy guns but he's acting like a lunatic so no one would sell it to him
That's the crazy thing because most of these conservatives would get beat by female athletes. How does anyone take Ben Shapiro seriously? I know women who could ragdoll the little guy...what does that make him? Outside of being a Zionist demon and political tool of division in the United States.
Ben Shapiro's idea about making Ladyballers a documentary, but not being able to do it because it's very premise just doesn't exist is endlessly funny. Instead of making up a guy to get mad at, he made up an entire reality.
@@qjames0077lol wrong again Ben actually said they wanted to make it a documentary and couldn't find any leagues that were a free for all like you morons think
@@qjames0077 i think lia thomas is not similar to the charachters in this movie. She is not fake-transitioning and conspiring to compete in womens sports to win--that is a imaginary thing that exists only in the movie
@@reeding.wrightyou’re right, he’s a f3t!shist man who’s into AGP with his boyfriend, not a transgendered person at all, or in any shape or form a woman.
@@qjames0077 You hit the nail on the head. Ladyballers was a terrible movie because it had low production value and bad writing. You can make almost any topic funny if the writing is witty and sharp. That movie, much like this video, is intended to promote a narrative and reassure members of it's team that they are correct and the others guys are the bad guys. It's makes us all dumber as a society but it makes it much easier to manipulate people.
This makes me think about some of the dialogue surrounding the game Disco Elysium. How a lot of centrists and even conservatives will play the game and say it cannot be leftist or even concerned with a particular political ideology because it makes fun of every political ideology. Even though the developers are openly communists, even though the key message of the game depends on the understanding that capitalism and the fascist ideology that upholds it are evil to the point it robs people of their humanity, some will still argue the game CANNOT be communist, simply because it also makes fun of communists. I think that says a lot about how conservatives and some liberals see themselves, comedy is about reinforcing their fantasy. Everything is very direct, the joke is the other. They cannot make fun of the self.
I suspect that...part of people being unable to properly parse D-E's political leanings-particularly if they're not *already* a lefty-is a consequence of them having, to one degree or another, a rather skewed perspective on what "communism" even *is*.
My favorite part of disco Elysium is if you play a character type that's "smart and analytical" (I forgot the exact name for it). You literally are more likely to be talking yourself into the idea that racism and fascism is like the intellectual way. That incredibly racist dude who literally gate keeps you at one part in the early game you have to interact with him. It's so funny your character is talking himself into it "he's making some good points" and you literally have to be "smart" enough to invest and absorb racism into your psyche it's fucking hilariously great. Your partner during all this is just such a fun juxtaposition if you actually follow along with this guy's racism. They literally force you to interact with these weird ideologies and directly interact with them and it's such a clearly deeply political game (and the fact that it references a lot of ideologies), people to act like it's straight up right leaning and supports it, is a failure of reading comprehension on their part. They literally make fun of people like that in the game mechanics and the way it interacts with you making your player character think you're a f****** genius because you became a racist. It's so funny. Literally directly making fun of the people who are right leaning fascists. I really love the systems in that game. It's not just like an intelligent stat. It's literally you thinking you're too smart for everybody else and it's your personality/character trait/flaw. Their monologues are not really influencing the player character. They're trying to influence you and the way you think. Just such an interesting game mechanic.
@@mrmoment6061 yes. The game makes the argument that any stat in extremes is bad. But the fun thing is that communism is also an intelectual ideology in game, its associated with Rhetoric and Conceptualization, implying communism requires you to look outside the box and comprehend the way others think, BUT the failures of communism are also getting too caught in theory and forgetting to actually organize and making connections with your fellow workers. You need a high int stat to internalize racism, but the actual thought gives a debuff on logic because it’s so insane, and fascism as an ideology is associated with your endurance (lower intestines) because it’s both an ideology born of sheer instinctual anger and hate, but also because it’s literally a shit ideology. All the thoughts are painfully Harry no matter what they do because they’re all working to rationalize and navigate the world the way he sees it, which is why the game changes so much based on which stats you invest in. Hell, I think one of the most interesting choices the game made was associating centrism with Empathy, as a bad thing, because if you become obsessed with never hurting anyone and never stepping on anyone’s toes you’ll never be able to actually make any difference in the world. The game gives all these ideological thoughts and complicated feelings because it wants you to confront what leads a person to be political in the first place, where certain feelings come from and what that says about who you are. While also making it clear that in reality, things can be simpler, that politics aren’t a way for you shield yourself, but rather to insert yourself within the world, that you need to have hope things can be better, that you need to care for one another and believe things can work out. Otherwise you’ll just be left behind, never passing the failure.
@MoonyMoonzzi this is nitpicking, but Advanced Race Theory doesn't tank Logic. It decreases Drama before internalizing and increases Conceptualization with no drawbacks (except your conscience) once it's finished. Mazovian Economics decreases Visual Calculus, interestingly enough. My first playthrough was Int/Psy with only 1 in Mot/Phy, so the only way I could get to Evrart without dying was to internalize Measurehead's "race theory". Funnily enough, everyone calls you a racist for it, of course, but once you forget the thought, it's as if the world forgets it with you, because they stop calling you that. Didn't even get the "Hard Stuff, Bröther" prompt from Endurance that playthrough.
"capitalism and fascist ideology that upholds it" Are we talking about the game or real world here? Because since when is capitalism upheld by fascism?
Sorry but the Rosanne joke "Mom, what is my gender?" "Your gender is, get a job, that's your gender." got a full belly laugh out of me for the sheer ridiculousness of it. It's genuinely like a parody of what someone her age would say, it's incredible.
Roseanne Barr just yelling "Stalinism" and "Communism" reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Lois Griffin is running for office and just says "9/11" to get cheers lol
you know, for not caring about the environment, these conservatives sure do recycle their jokes a lot edit: since this comment doesn't deserve to be top comment here, i'll just add something of mild value. at 1:26:22, the joke COULD have worked in another movie and with better timing, as a commentary about how no one watches women's sports. the way they made it is "women's sports bad because women bad at sports", because if they went with the obvious joke i described, they would have to confront the fact that maybe people are sexist and that would squander their point, because they will only ever care about women's sports as a vessel for transphobia.
@@petaflop. that seems to me something of a contradiction, given that deregulation has allowed growth-at-all-costs overproduction and overextraction to flourish and cause ecological harm across the planet
King Of The Hill is an excellent example of what conservative comedy could be. Hank is an old fashioned man in a fast changing world (the starting premise of every conservative sitcom ever) and each episode his conservative beliefs will be tested. Often times he will be proven wrong and have to change a little bit. But almost as often, he will be proven right. And the show always respects who he is and what he believes in, while putting extremist right wing ideology firmly in its place. But somewhere in the last 20 years conservative ideology swung so far right it stopped being funny anymore.
In a weird way, I'd say American conservatives have trouble making conservative art, nowadays. It always devolve in some all out attack on strawmen that no one even recognize. So we now have progressives doing "conservative" shows, like Fargo, featuring honest god-fearing republicans, because if a conservative made it, our heroes would be harassing minorities for the kicks of it.
I'm honestly wondering how that reboot will work given this. How does someone like Hank Hill survive in a world where he simply can't be conservative enough?
King of the Hill was made by a progressive/lib though. He tried to do a version teasing progressives but it never got past the pilot. It doesn’t reinforce conservative values or idealogy; it mocks them from a place of knowledge but doesn’t embrace them at all.
@@mommalion7028 Co-creator Greg Daniels is a libertarian and you can see a lot of his influence on the show. The episode I was thinking about was the one where Hank's workplace can't fire a drug addict because government legislation says he has a disability. It's the kind of story that today's anti-DEI republicans would love. And there are plenty of episodes (such as the ones about religion - the mega church, Christian rock, the Halloween hell house - all things that were to the right of traditional conservatism then, but where the Republicans find themselves now) where the episode comes down on the side that Hank is right, he shouldn't have to change and it's the world around him that's gone too far. The plot to every Fox News broadcast ever.
@@davidmylchreest3306just to clarify your comment: the mega church, halloween hell house, etc. were "Hank vs. Extreme Conservatives", not hank being an extreme conservative himself. But otherwise yeah. I vividly remember him being outraged about an x-ray of his steak-filled colon being displayed in an art museum without his permission and him leveraging a texas law against people 'defaming the beef industry' to have the cops take it down -- and the episode framed the artists as 'out-of-touch city liberals'. Hank's always been vaguely conservative but also almost entirely apolitical. Today, he would almost definitely consider himself a "Moderate". Especially because of Bobby's weirdness expanding his worldview over the show's run.
The absolute _worst_ thing about that punch scene at the end is that the writers, heavily conservative writers who hate the existence of trans people and want to deny their right to do basically anything, actually wrote it well. They portrayed authentically the feelings that trans people can experience; like their own skin is just kind of "wrong" somehow, and they can't explain or fix it for years until they realize how much more at home they feel playing the other part. How can they understand that experience well enough to portray it empathetically in their movie, only to immediately shit in its face anyway? > "I've been struggling with something in secret for years, but now I think I know why, which I'm really relieved and excited about; so I'm confiding in you, my close friend whom I love and trust, in order to share my happiness!" > "Ew. You're wrong and gross and I don't support you, get back in the closet." Like. Seriously? Y'all think you're the good guys...?
This struck me as well. There's a quote from Ender's game that goes something like "When I understand my enemy well enough to beat them, in that moment, I also love them". I can't fathom understanding a struggle well enough to articulate it and then STILL treating it as disgusting and unnatural and inhuman and wrong.
@@courtykat Let me rephrase that. Having people fired from their jobs and imprisoned for not using your pronouns is not a human right, but feel free to name ANY equal citizen right that conservatives want to deprive you of.
There's so much boring ranting with conservative comedians. I don't know how anyone sits through an hour of some guy red-faced, spitting into a mic about people he hates.
Tribalism is stupid and exists more in teh minds of people who can't notice patterns in the world Have you noticed how easy it is to get laughs in more left-leaning communities by talking about depression? Sad or mad, you dont have to choose
this is truly scary. in 10-15 years Big Joel will stand at the rooftops, shouting how gay mickey is actually quite dangerous and disney shouldn't have made gay mickey. Something for us all to be wary of.
For fucks sake, the 'joke' about the sea levels rising would be so easy to do as an actual joke. "I moved to California and went straight to the sea and the levels were LITERALLY rising before my eyes! Halfway through the day they went back down again but THEN came right back up that very evening!" Yeah you could word that better but 'person who believes in climate change confuses the tide with sea levels rising' at least has an actual joke in there somewhere.
@@Isak_Real like many other conservative jokes that appear to have a couple of extra beats crammed in there, my money would be on them initially considering telling the joke that way but deciding most of their audience would need an explanation about the rising tides.
The part about Lady Ballers where the core conceit of the movie revolves around an apparent belief by the makers that trans people both don't really exist but also have taken over every aspect of society reminds me of Eco writing about how fascists tend to center their ideology on a belief that all of their enemies are weak, effete, fragile degenerates who instantly crumble to dust the moment they encounter the slightest bit of resistance but also simultaneously have a powerful iron-clad control over all of media, culture, finance, and politics.
@CivilWarMan that reminds me of the madness here in Sweden about how the immigrants are filthy, undisciplined, lazy, rapists and uneducated, BUT at the same time, they are coming to get our jobs, conquest our daughters, treat better our wives and get better salaries. And a long etc. that you cannot wrap your head around.
Felt the same. It's honestly such a boring idea for a story. It's like they want to feel comforted in security so much that they don't want to feel they're ever in real danger, so even their dystopian woke regime it's basically a nothingburger, so what's the point of getting so scared and angry at liberals anyway.
That part really threw me off, like what, are they addressing misogyny in conservative narrative? Are they admitting that there is such a thing as performing a gender? I´m still confused what actually happened there.
insane to me that ricky gervais says shit like "don't say that joke was offensive say you found it offensive" like i thought policing language like that was for sensitive snowflakes? how does he not hear that?
It's because he seems to have a complex about feeling or seeming like he is smarter than those around him. And when he is smarter than everyone else the rules he applies to others don't need to function around him
@@puzzardosalami3443 Are you claiming that conservatives do not wish for their opponents to be deplatformed? Conservatives, the demographic who do not the opposition to have a platform in the first place?
@@danielflanard8274 I'm talking about jobs: teachers, comedians, journalists, actors, artists, who actually lost their jobs because they said something that someone deemed immoral. Conservatives don't get fired people who ten years prior said that God doesn't exist or that they support abortion.
@@ulture unless you know something I don’t, sounds like a bit of a stretch. “Too masculine” can mean anything like butting heads with leadership or even just being a general ass no one likes
Amazing that Doug Walker spent the entire Wall review calling Roger Waters whiny for making a concept album/film partly about the physical and emotional abuse he suffered at the hands of his teachers during his childhood when he has complained extensively and earnestly about how awful it was for people to make fun of him as a kid for sharing a first name with a popular children's cartoon character.
Because if he is called whinny about it, he can deny it and say he was playing a character for the sake of comedy. Doug Walker's wall is made of irony.
Literally just came here from that video. There's a lot of the same underpinnings between failed conservative comedy and Doug, the broadest being an unwillingness to self-examine or risk for any reason.
@@zellalaing5439 I’ve never met someone from the baby boomer or gen x generation say these things. I’m pretty sure you’re just projecting your own miserable life onto others.
An absolutely minuscule thing, but when Lady Ballers says that white cishet men aren’t getting hired for acting, the follow-up is Snow White getting cast as a neurodivergent lesbian. Weird segue. Was Snow White supposed to be a cishet white male? Could they not think of a single role that “should” be a white cishet male? They didn’t even take the low-hanging fruit of Snow White being cast as non-white. Which still doesn’t matter because at the core is the fact the script is implying that Disney’s Snow White should be played by a white cishet male. Just fully showing that they’re still mad about Ariel being played by a black woman, even though the casting of Disney Princesses has nothing to with what men get roles because no man was going to get cast as Ariel, no matter how “exotic” his sexuality, so why bring up Disney Princess casting when complaining about what roles white men get? Just bafflingly bad scripting. Just had to get that out of my system lol
Damn, Roseanne did not give a damn if you laughed. Those bits felt like she was just venting out her grievances and if you laugh, whoopee good for you, now shut up and keep listening to me tell you how the world is shit.
I feel like that's a lot of conservative "comedy" in a nutshell though. They just vent and grieve about how things are not the way they think they should be. If you happen to agree, you might find it funny, but if not, then it's just awkward. That would explain why other conservatives find conservative "comedy" funny, but anyone else just suffers through something extremely cringey.
Honestly I kinda feel bad for her. The final chapter of her life and career is ending on an evil ideology taking advantage of her declining mental health. We need rehabilitation centers that focus on conservatism and I’m not kidding.
This is my takeaway too, growing up in the 80s she was one of the first female actors who really made me crack up, I loved the original Rosanne show. And like with anyone who (at the time,) brought joy to the world and made it more fun to be a part of, I just wish she had seen continued success, happiness and health.@@rasengdori13
@@thylacoleonkennedy7 which is so tragic, because a lot of those similar grievances and jokes (at least those that Bug Joel showed here) might've landed pretty well with a millennial leftist trans-positive audience. "Your gender is, get a job!" got a real belly laugh outta my jobless nonbinary self
i don't even understand where he is saying the irony turns, like is his claim 'ahah actually there ARE funny women' because he doesn't like... develop that, or seem to think it
That scene at the end of the lady ballers movie is kinda genuinely heartbreaking. It's one thing when conservatives say we're only transitioning to have an excuse to "invade women's spaces" or make tired attack helicopter jokes. It's still awful, but it's easy to ignore since they're just wilfully misunderstanding. But that scene, it's a conservative saying they actually do understand. They hear what trans people say, that the entire point is just to feel happier in our own skins, that transitioning is a sincere expression of our authentic selves, not a lie or a trick for some nefarious purpose. And they still respond with violence. The cruelty really is the point, huh.
Except my understanding is that none of the lady ballers actually transition and have no intent on doing so is the point of the movie. In doing so the characters are leveraging the benefits of adopting the trans label disingenuously.
Honestly if the film was actually made to being a comedic look on gender identity in the American culture and not some right wing vehicle to production team own propaganda, Lady Ballers could have been a surprisingly insightful raunchy satire with a pro trans message. If only the premise was given to an actual funny comedian who can do justice like Bill Burr and not a bunch of goobers from Daily Wire
I don't think they understand though. From my experience, the way conservatives often argue is that they may at first genuinely try to reach a connection with you and reason with you. But if they fail to convince you to agree with them, then they reach the conclusion that you're either too stupid, too stubborn, too crazy, or a combination of these things to ever be reasoned with. But instead of agreeing to disagree and going separate ways if they determine that continuing the discourse is pointless, they instead decide you must be punished. You must be punished for disagreeing with them, for denying objective reality and failing to comprehend (what they believe to be) such plain and simple truth, and for putting them through the frustration of trying to persuade someone who ultimately cannot be persuaded. Once that happens, they decide you must suffer as a consequence. The degree of this vengeance and the extent to which they decide to lash out against you depends on the specific type of conservative and how radical they are. The less radical ones will just resort to ad hominem attacks and simply mock you where the joke is some variation of calling you stupid, crazy, etc. The more aggressive, unhinged, and/or radical ones get more violent and verbally express their desire for something awful to happen to you (ex. r*pe joke or telling you to unalive yourself), verbally express their desire to assault you, or make active threats against you (ex. death threat).
@@johnwalker1058 So basically like a rival fraternity on Hell Week intending to haze the SHIT out of freshmen who dare pledges at the opposing fraternity just to make sure they failed getting in for shits and giggles. Maybe I am projecting too much of my experience here. Fucking Sigmas.
That whole Rosanne Barr section was just a little bit haunting honestly. It has me wondering what mistakes I'll make when I get older, who I might end up hurting or failing out of a lack of understanding.
I think a lot of ppl would be shocked how much anti-vaccine and pro-trump sentiment is popular with more new age spiritual types or even racial minorities. I think a lot of it comes from anti-establishment sentiment that sometimes outweighs any left/right allegiance.
Yeah as Black folks we can’t align with party politics or even popular movements because of the history of usury, so our politicization journey is usually unconventional. As for new age, a lot of it has always been tied to fascist thought. Ideas about Jungian psychology, laying false claim to indigenous practices, beliefs rooted in non-materialism, it’s all messy. I think there was more of an overlap with new agers and progressives in the 60s and 70s than now.
I remember me and my dad were watching home alone 2 when I was a kid. He told me that rob schneider is half Filipino. As far as I know my dad is a democrat and supports vaccinations. Can’t belive that guy is a grifter and part of my community. I wonder what the conservatives reaction when they find out he’s half Filipino.
An anti-establishment bias, combined with poor education, definitely is the gateway to conspiratorial thinking and with it the acceptance of authoritarianism. A black lady tried to talk me into voting for Trump because Abraham Lincoln was secretly black(because he's facing a different way on money) and "they" changed the statue of liberty from brown to green because black people are brown. With a poor education, you don't know how things, like... work. You don't know what humanity actually knows, nobody's explained shit to you and you're probably unaware of how we know anything. The idea that 'scientists' and 'experts' aren't just people who know stuff, but rather cynical mouthpieces for manipulators working behind the scenes, is far more plausible to you if you've never met any of them before and spoke to them as a peer. You have giant gaps in your understanding that people can step in and fill with nonsense that you don't realize is nonsense cause you don't know anything about the topic! 5G causing covid? You don't know what 5G is and sure as shit don't know how viruses function so hey, that makes sense. Climate change denial? You don't know what the carbon cycle is, so why couldn't things like we're seeing now just be normal ways that the earth changes? Add in historical examples of top down oppression and scientific misconduct, and you've got a stew going. Why wouldn't the whole world work to cover up a fake pandemic? Doctors deliberately let black men get sick with syphilis so they could study its progression. The difference in scale, scope, and the fact that people were preeeetty upset about it gets lost in the strength of the story and inditement of institutions.
Besides the fact that Doug tried to compare naziism to "cancel culture", the shittiest part about that stupid The Wall parody is that Roger Waters, the writer of the original album, lost his father to WW2. Did the guy even know The Wall was originally an album? He even calls one of the songs "oscar bait" 🙄 EDIT: Also worth noting, Doug mocks Waters in the "review" because a part of The Wall is about the bullying he went through at school, both from students and teachers, saying he should "grow a pair." Keep in mind, school in the '50s and '60s were sure as hell not like they were in the '80s and '90s.
It's not even just that he lost his father, the Wall is largely autobiographical, even if not in an entirely literal sense. It's Waters sharing his most personal experiences, laying himself bear because that's the only way he can find to get across his message, and he genuinely feels his message is so important it's worth it. And that message, of course, is that his father laid down his life and ruined their family for fascism, and now Waters can't even say the sacrifice was maybe worth it because he's seeing the world fall back into it. Waters went "I am terrified for us all" and Doug told him to, quote, "grow a pair".
@trianglemoebius Well put. The guy even tries to call the review "a love letter to Pink Floyd". Yet he treats it like a dead rat left on his doorstep. I get why some people dislike The Wall. But man, that "review" was disrespectful as hell, and it felt like he purposefully misunderstood the point.
I first saw The Wall when I was 12, and even I could see, and understand, the subtext. And it genuinely moved me, I'd say it was one of those movies that changed my life (or it at least gave me a new appreciation for history that I still have today). Doug Walker is a tool.
I feel like so much of the comedic framing of these jokes is "You're so mad. i'm not mad. here's my 90 minute bit about how not mad I am, i have a lot to say about how totally not mad I am"
Also afraid, definitely not afraid of the world changing around them and the people no longer being satisfied with being forced into very specific societal standards and expectations.
@@spOOkytimesit’s because they’re being forced into strict societal boxes and new norms that are antithetical to their lived experience. That’s why it should be live and let live. The irony is staggering, but that’s reality.😂
@@andrewlaco1776 i mean people in the 1960s were pretty mad when black people were allowed to attend white schools and be in white spaces because it was antithetical to their lived experience (feeling superior to another race). people having to confront that other people exist is a good thing, and the generations who are mad about it will eventually die and everyone else will normalize to it. so it goes, so it goes
it’s actually so upsetting that we live in a world where “jeremy boring and the daily wire” is the name of a group of shitty unfunny transphobes and not the name of the worlds greatest indie math rock trio
similarly, “ladyballers” should’ve been the name of a sick riot punk band frontmanned by a socioanarchist butch lesbian from outer atlanta. ben shapiro has ruined our timeline
my last name is boring. please don't disgrace my family's name by spelling jeremy boreing's last name the same way, we don't want him thinking he's invited to the family reunion
My understanding of conservative comedy has always been that they don't need to tell a joke, because as far as they know, the joke is just the existence of things they don't like. They can just say "oh how about TRANS PEOPLE, AM I RIGHT?" and get a big laugh from their audience because trans people existing is the joke to them. There's no need to muddle the issue by adding in any level of creativity, they just point at people they find inherently humorous and laugh at them.
It's the same group who make compilations of disabled people and mock them for being "cringe". They laugh because they have zero comprehension and clinging to the beliefs you were raised with is much less painful than admitting you've been wrong for any portion of your life.
One thing that makes a lot of Conservative Comedy hard is how do you parody that which is already extreme Some people GENUINELY believe you can change your gender, race, and even species….where do you go from there? The “I’m a toaster” joke from high school? What about abortion? You can’t really get more extreme than murder can you… The list goes on It’s also why Conservatives find it funny when they are the ones called “extreme” You’re right. The joke itself is how the left is SO extreme everything they do is something that people from a decade ago parodied as being ridiculous And now it’s gotten to the point that how could anything get more extreme?
@@gabrielsalahi3656Only a con could consider knowing the definition of words and basic science facts as extreme views. Other extreme views the left has: 2+2=4! World is round! Forest Fires are not started by space lasers! Vaccines are safe and effective. Oh the horrors of their extremism!
A friend I grew up with got into reiki, angels, energy, crystals. Nothing wrong with that. Hell, in my teenage years I'd mess with that stuff. But suddenly, during COVID she started with mild conspiracy theories surrounding the pandemic. About mid summer, I posted something on FB in support of George Floyd. She attacked me and called me a "baby killer", alluding to me being pro-choice. Which I am, but not sure what that had to do with George Floyd. 30 years of friendship and I'm just scratching my head.
It's the fact that you expressed an opinion typically not held by people who are forced birthers. Typically, someone against abortion will also tend to be intersectionally bigoted - I'm not saying your friend was, but if she's getting her info from COVID conspiracy types, then she probably learned that "Someone on George Floyd's side = probably a soft liberal = probably believes in a bunch of other left-wing stuff like abortion"
It probably has to do with the fact George Floyd once robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint and specifically threatened to kill her and her baby if she tried to resist.
Its so whack to grow up learning and understanding medicine, physics, ect. You learn about the history of diseases, why we vaccinate, ect and realize that so many people have had their brains fall out of their skulls.
The most annoying thing about Lady Ballers is that any college women’s basketball team would smoke them. None of those guys look in particularly good shape and like half of them are well under 6 foot.
@@YadonTheCat its just like the real arguments. Thr conservatives who "care deeply" for the sake of womens sports are usually misogynists who couldn't give less of a shite. It's just an excuse to shit on trans people "acceptably".
Isnt that kind of the point though. They are specifically meant just to compete against women's basketball teams. I find it hard to believe thst untrained unfit men could defeat a professional women's basketball team, but the entire point of the movie is that they don't have to compete against male basketball teams
@@user-vg9dl2hp6iA college team would still smoke them in reality. You don't get to participate in a college team without showing promise. Those guys? They didn't just show no promise, they were absolutely unfit for the sport they were supposedly participating in.
the funniest part is that barely anything will change with it. yeah man i can imagine being abused by your step mom makes you neurodivergent, and she just gets a princess instead of a prince
@@myddle2073 ohhh is mental illness (particularly trauma based disorders for snow white) not considered a neurodivergency? or is that word reserved for birth brain differences? i always forget 😭
@@coatimundi69 wait does trauma fall under neurodivergence? genuine question, i don't know my apologies, that possibility didn't occur to me, which made me misread your reply EDIT: okay, I looked into it, and some people say yes, so maybe
In the teacher sketch I'm actually kinda shocked at the multiple levels of unintended irony or whatever you can even describe it as, when the teacher sees that their constant ranting and belittling of the kid's parents has made the kid cry and then doubles down on the bullying by saying that their own weakness isn't even the fault of their parents but their own. That's like so many levels of fucked up, I can't even...
The funniest part of that bit was that guy admitting that is powerfantasy is berating a child by speculating what sex acts that kid's parents engage in. Publicly humiliating a child by screaming about sex. Definitely not groomer behavior
One of the most infuriatingly ironic things about NC's review of The Wall is how he chides the movie for having childishly obvious metaphors, but then goes on to completely misinterpret what those metaphors meant
The lesson of Doug's... Thing he did regarding The Wall (calling it a "review" feels incorrect) is that while there may not be any invalid interpretation of art, there are certainly bad interpretations. I genuinely believe that was Doug engaging with the work as best as he could in the space he was in at the time. It just happened to reveal all the most disconnected and childish parts of himself.
@@Plain--Jane Ultimately, Waters is a reflexive antisemite and Putin ally. In the Wall, he's comparing Thatcherism with Hitlerism to ask if the war was even worth it. As if there can be no justification for *any* conflict and "who really cares about the Holocaust anyway" etc.
Roseanne screaming “We ruined our children’s lives!” to a silent crowd is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen, but I don’t think in the way she intended it.
a lot of these "comedians" matching up to Will Menaker's adage that the problem with "conservative comedy" is "all their bits involve inventing a premise and then getting way too mad at it to tell a joke"
This would explain why they love Trump so much. Maybe they figure if they can be just as vapid and incompetent it will make them invincible to criticism. If you're a self-satire, what is there left to satirize?
That's pretty accurate, because even when they tell "jokes" they're pretty much always just stating a concept they find ridiculous and expecting people to laugh at the idea, the concept, rather than making a joke out of it at all. "Aren't pronouns crazy?" "omg gay right?" "Disabled characters and POC on tv so much now!" That's all they've got. No jokes, just bringing up ideas they find weird and laughing in theory. It's kinda like when they fearmonger on the news about things they suspect democrats are doing (that democrats aren't doing at all) but the things sound awesome to us and we're baffled what they're upset about.
Conservative comedy is like Christian rock. Christians can make good rock, but the moment you turn it into a defined genre chasing a Christian audience the message becomes more important than the medium and the music usually sucks. To bring it back to King of the Hill, lets paraphrase Hank: "You're not making conservatism better, you're just making comedy worse".
Yes. Its not about removing God or spirituality from music, its about not crowbaring it in to force it to fit. There's a British radio show called 'Thought For The Day' where they invite on the Bishop Of Bottomley-cum-Hyde to try and force a religious message out of whatever's in the news today. Bands who primarily identify as Christian Rock are that with a soundtrack.
The little girl listing off all the things boys are supposedly better at wouldn't really make sense even if she wasn't so progressive. The misogyny is clearly supposed to be funny to the viewer, it's supposed to be something for conservatives to nod along to because it already fits into their belief system. So from the perspective of a little girl who's interested in sports, cars and STEM, why WOULDN'T she want to be a boy? This scene is effectively sending the message that the misogynistic conservative world view the main character holds sees girls and women as inferior and makes them want to be trans because being a woman just sucks. It unintentionally points out the inherent hypocrisy of conservative beliefs. In the progressive world view that the little girl is supposed to represent, trans people aren't trans because being a woman is somehow worse and she could confidently pursue her interests despite being a girl. But I guess that would make it too obvious that progressive views are actually good for people and lead to better outcomes. They had to make her seem like her progressive views were hurting her somehow. So they chose this either hoping the viewers wouldn't pick up on the incongruity or because the writers themselves don't understand how illogical that scene is.
Thumbs up for referring to Doug Walker as "Dog Walker" so subtly and breezing over it so quickly that I genuinely cannot tell if it was intentional or not.
Conservative comedy isn't just conservative politically. It's conservative in the sense that they keep reusing the same few jokes and never move past them or get creative.
My favourite fact about lady ballers is that the original idea was to make a documentary where a bunch of conservative influencers make a real life basketball team and then join a women’s league to show how easy it is for men to fake being trans to win in women’s sports. But then they found out that they’d all have to take HRT for a year before they could play in the women’s league and understandably they couldn’t find any men willing to do that. Ben Shapiro literally tells this story in an interview as if it doesn’t undermine the entire conservative trans sport talking point and the movie they ended up making
@@UnknowntyperOk but you see how the thing you and Ben Shapiro are suggesting is the natural outcome is a future hypothetical that can not be proved because he was literally unable to find a group of men willing to go through the necessary condition to prove it and the thing Joel and the original poster are saying is based on the reality of that failed experiment right? If you're that concerned about fairness divide all sports by these natural advantages you say ALL men have instead of by gender and you should still get the exact same result you and Ben want (men and women will all be naturally separated into the appropriate groups with no overlap) and you'll even shut up all the critiques by proving your point.
@@maybelater1464 maybe they think any sort of medicine/vitamin/consumable is drugs? like those vitamin supplements you take? drugs. proteins in your food? drugs, just like crack. the calcium in that milk you just drank? straight up methamphetamine.
24:07 As someone who has lived on Maui my entire life, who grew up in Lahaina, knowing that my *childhood home* was one of the properties claimed by the blaze... it is fucking despicable that he, and people like him, are using what happened here as a weapon in their petty culture war, likely to completely forget we're even a state until he goes on vacation here, like most mainlanders. I remember being 4 years old, accidentally setting off our dad's car alarm with my brother, parked next to the harbor where people drowned running from the fire, and where a diesel fuel tank exploded because of the heat. I remember going to the park using the same road that was obstructed by severed power lines, preventing residents from fleeing by car. Spinning this stupid convoluted web about the malicious use of a space laser so they could build on top of historic Lahaina Town's remains distracts from what *should* be talked about: that the local government knew the Lahaina area was at high wildfire risk, *YEARS IN ADVANCE,* and took no measures to prevent it for budgetary concerns. That the Maui Fire Department essentially pulled the "we have found ourselves guilty of no wrongdoing after a thorough investigation of ourselves" card, despite claiming the fire was under control mere hours before it spread to the neighborhoods. That some "entrepreneurs" are taking advantage of the sudden scarcity of real estate by offering spare rooms for rent at inflated price tags, and that fundraising fraud was on everyone's lips in the months following. What a fucking disgrace.
i’m sincerely so sorry that you were put through such a traumatic event all bc of the authorities dangerous, profit-driven, reckless and gross negligence. i hope you and your loved ones are recovering your lives to the best of your ability. *wishing you all good health, fortune and especially justice* 💗
That's why conservative comedy isn't funny - it just attacks minorities and vulnerable people, always punching down, trying to make us believe that rich white men are the victims. No authenticity.
Transphobia and sexism are closely related. They believe that men and women are different on the most basic level. That's why men can't "become" women. Even if a trans woman never went through male puberty thanks to blockers, even if she was on hormons since 18 - she would always be male After all if they admitted that men and women are not so different from each other then their sexist views would be irrational
It's kind of heartbreaking seeing Roseanne up on that stage, ranting about nothing at all as she tried to justify and understand her suffering while hundreds watch in silence. She's not there to tell jokes, she's there out of desperation and isolation, someone used to the spotlight having it taken from her with nowhere to go. No one to blame, because if she lets herself come out of this bubble, she'd have to look back on herself and her own mistakes and take accountability. And then you have all the countless grifters who stand idly by and let this happen. They watch as this woman's mental state degrades, her sentences slur, her words making less and less sense, and just letting it happen so she can make them money. The modern conservative movement is a parasite. It latches onto the unwell, the disillusioned, the ignorant, and sucks all the life and joy from them until they're a babbling husk.
"The modern conservative movement is a parasite. It latches onto the unwell, the disillusioned, the ignorant, and sucks all the life and joy from them until they're a babbling husk." thats no different from the modern liberal movement. Do you see any liberal politicians preaching to the rich? No, theyre speaking to poor people, immigrants, people without higher education. it convinces them that its working for them when its really just working for itself. this is what politicians do, there are no sides, there are no parties. weve had 3 liberal presidencies in the past 4, do you see much joy in the country?
Yeah it really reads more like a speech at a right-wing rally than a stand-up special. You get the sense that even the crowd was like "wtf is going on"
Rosanne, and J.K. Rowling, illustrate why conservatism is such a trap: It's not just that it gives people permission to be their worst selves. It's that it threatens them with massive injury to their self-image if they stop following the conservative movement. Because if you have a heart, and you have to acknowledge that you've done massive harm to people, then how can you live with yourself after that point?
@@katherineberger6329you sound like an insane person. jk rohwling isnt even conservative. and isnt this just a perfect example of the way the media has warped peoples minds. jk rowhling has a long history of supporting liberal causes and opposing conservative ones but because you disagree with her opinion on trans people youve decided to completely dismiss all of her other views and make a gross generalization of her. and people wonder why polarity is such a problem. it doesnt take much time to look up her political views on wikipedia
I think Rosanne encapsulates how the pandemic broke some people. Turning off all your distractions like going out to work, dinner, movies, etc and instead being forced to make your own fun. Depending on how old you were in 2020, your entire view of the world has been revealed as a facade. You can see her trying to reason with how she got there and eventually turns it into a joke to force some laughter. Reminds me of my cousin who went off the deep end the first two weeks of the pandemic because he got laid off and now had a bunch of time to fill. Your entire life is now up in the air and people are saying to just suck it up. Hard pill to swallow. If we had better safety nets, I'm sure the pandemic wouldn't have been so contentious.
In a way, I wish they would have made people face it more. I think the worst lies the media ACTUALLY told was to keep the bodies off the TV. I think if people could come see the deaths, see the corpses, it might have clicked in a better way. Instead they were coddled and told they were being taken care of. They were treated like kids and that usually always backfires.
@@AuspexAOthey probably wouldn't have believed it. I live in Chicago about 3 miles from a cemetery. The constant stream of funeral processions (up to 5 a day) really made it real despite me being privileged enough to work remotely and be able to find my own fun. If you lived in a small town like my hometown you would think it didn't exist. I went back the first summer and it was a madhouse. Then a couple of months later it wss a ghost town. Covid ripped through the town and while people still didn't wear masks, they weren't as arrogant as they were in the beginning.
Yeah this pandemic has irrevocably broken so many people. On the one hand, this break sort of needed to happen at some point. Change can’t happen unless enough people see the system for what it is. But on the other hand.. in true American and British fashion, instead of doing anything to address the crisis we are facing, the cliff we are currently peering over, the conservatives are either giving up and becoming even more antisocial, knuckling on the status quo even harder, or going absolutely insane with far right politics, as if that’s what’s going to make things better. Meanwhile, corporations are running full speed trying to suck out all possible wealth from everyday people and we the people are walking around with untreated PTSD from this dramatic societal upset. I can only liken it to the purges that occurred in Soviet Union and China-this sense of uncertainty for the future, threat to one’s safety, and great disconnection with fellow citizens. We are a nation of individuals even more isolated and cut off from each other than before the pandemic. Even so called liberals and more progressive types are opting to “worry about me and only me”. Lack of involvement is just as damaging to community as actively trying to destroy it. It’s no way to live.
IDK I feel like the pandemic wasn't really as deep as it people like to say it was. It was just a culmination of bad things happening for a long time before that, but they just all dumped on the world at one time. It would have kept going without the novel corona virus, just a little more gradual.
@@talynhastime9343in the end we are all ether broken or none of us are, people have forever been deeply interconnected and America has spent most of it's existence firing on all cylinders to create as many broken people and systems as possible
It sounds like the kind of thing you never think about until you’re an adult and you look back and think “oh… that was strangely fucked up. Why did the adults tell me that.”
Re: Ladyballers, that scene with protagonist and his daughter highlights the absurd reality of misogyny that would exist if shapiro and ilk had their way. Imagine having that talk with your daughter and earnestly telling them how second class they are?
@@WaspinmymindI honestly don’t think that all conservative fathers tell or even think that women are ‘second class’. If they tell their daughters that physically they can’t compare I don’t really see an issue with that. They are going to find out over time and it’s better if your parents tell you. But ig it’s all about wording.
@@Console.Log01 I don’t know what you mean by “scene” but I’m pretty sure women being worse drivers is a joke and shouldn’t really be taken seriously lol. With the stem thing men from what I’m aware do better in those fields on average. Doesn’t mean women can’t excel but the idea that men and women’s brains are the exact same is really silly.
It really feels like Lady Ballers wanted to have the "Some people are actually trans but we still shouldn't let them play sports" arc with the Alex character but they knew that their audience wouldn't go for that slightly more reasonable position so they just cut that arc short with a literal punch to the balls. "Nobody is actually Trans they are faking it or they just to listen to Jordan Peterson more" has to be the moral of the story because the modern right won't accept anything less.
Cody's Showdy did a great breakdown about how there are no real character arcs. The main character's whole thing is "winning at any cost" but then he forefeits the final game...that he was already losing like 0-49, but by putting in his kids he completely sidesteps actually losing as he is cheered for that...for some reason. Guy comes out as trans, gets punched in the balls and told to go back into the closet. Main character's daughter says she wants to be a boy because boys are better at everything. Main character...basically agrees with her but they put emotional music and pan over to the girl's mother looking like he is saying something sweet and emotional when he is really just saying "boys are better at everything except raising a family, which is what girls should do."
I'm glad to see some crossover between Big Joel and Little Joel with the inclusion of the Gay Mickey video. Perhaps this really is the Medium-sized Joel we've all been searching for?
An added layer of humour is slathered on considering that this video is about comedy, thus enhancing the enjoyment one can find through analysing the context of this drawn-out joke
The irony of Ricky Gervais complaining about people not phrasing their opinions the way he wants (“You have to say ‘I found that joke offensive,’ not ‘that joke was offensive’!”) while refusing to refer to people by their preferred pronouns is peak.
The part where the girl was saying how all the boys are better is funny because it exposes the contradictions in conservative ideology. The conservative father doesn't want his daughter to be a boy, but then the daughter explains she wants to be a boy because of conservative beliefs about women.
reminds me of TERFs saying "trans men only want to transition to escape misogyny!!" nd then proceeding to be the most misogynistic group of mostly-women you could possibly imagine
It's not enough that they succeed. Others must fail for them to be satisfied. Also, as a FtM, many cisgender men are genuinely defensive af about what they see as 'just for men'. They think me being in a men's restroom is emasculating for them.
I used to think I was transgender before I realized I was more so just insecure about what society told me "being a woman" was when I was a kid. I didn't want to be a girl I didn't feel like a girl because I knew I didnt want to be treated the way I saw girls and women portrayed in the media I had as a kid.
@@bumblehoney7206 Gender Euphoria is critical to realising if you're trans or not if you're AFAB. It would have been impossible for me to figure out I'm FtM without having had played male characters in stories and video games, and feeling very joyous to be treated as masculine. Wanting to be a man and wanting to stop experiencing misogyny can be so hard to differentiate from each other even when you have both feelings. I'm years on HRT and honestly envy women in some ways. There's so, so many things about femininity and womanhood that's worth admiring and celebrating.
Finally someone points out the Nostalgia Critic pause. I dont know how hes been doing that for 15 years so consistently but it's such an awkward, uncomfortable pace for no reason whatsoever.
That's just what happens when you hate video editing and you make yourself edit anyway. You set your out point once, and you never go back to refine it.
Now I'm thinking back to moments like when he rages wordlessly about the Onceler's characterisation, switches to calmly saying he doesn't care for it, then exhales while staring at the camera. Was the last part ever meant to be part of the bit?
My favorite conservative "joke" about trans people is the claim that "we can always tell". Meaning "we can always tell when someone is transgender". At my most recent physical, my doctor's nurse asked me if I wanted my doctor to do my pap smear or wait for my gynecologist to do it. I said that I was a trans woman so I didn't need that, to which she said "OH! Sorry it says on your chart I should have looked". I said it was fine. She then walked out of the room and closed the door, and I could hear her say to another nurse "Well, that was embarrassing." I was also asked by another nurse when my last period was in the pre-op room. For my vaginoplasty. So if conservatives think that the "we can always tell" joke is funny, I fail to see the actual joke, since the claim is flat out not true.
They gaslight themselves into believing that. And once a girl admits to being trans or someone else points it out to them, they will go “Ah, I knew it!“ the same way horoscope crazies go when someone says they are **insert random horoscope sign here** when actually these people couldn’t be more clueless.
It's a little bit creepy how they try to always "tell" when a person is trans. Like, why does that matter so much to them? They're bunch of creeps. Since they realize it's not fun to go after gay people anymore, they go after trans, mostly trans women. Trash human beings will always exist
One of the most on the nose lyrics in "America, fuck yeah!" is when they're listing all "american" things and they say "slavery". It's an incredible powerful and unequivocal notion part of the song, cause you really believe that it's satirical, cause nobody who's not a total piece of shit would list slavery as one of the greatest defining ideas about America. So you KNOW they're being sarcastic, they must, right? When the 25th South Park anniversary concert happened, they sang the song. Guess what line of the original song was not sang in the concert? That's right: slavery. Making it an undeniably pro-America song instead of the sharp critique of America that the original song entailed.
Barr faltering when she says "they killed my ch- (character?), they killed her. They killed Rosanne." It was clearly a moment of hurt for her, with the sitcom character being valued enough to warrant a "her" and saying she was "killed" like she was a real person to her. It's a genuine emotional moment and it comes with so much defeat and loss, but the rest of the program is just anger and vitriol. Maybe she wanted to learn, maybe she wanted to do better, but clearly not enough to actually fix things. Instead she now spreads her feelings of being bitter and sad. And I feel like so many of them were close to a breakthrough but then fell into the wrong cycle. (Ironically, like the person in Ladyballers who might be trans and has an option of a personal breakthrough, but then ends up in the "care" of Peterson, who will probably not make things better.) It would be sad if these people weren't so adamant about it being "funny".
I think she was going to say “they killed my child”. Rosanne was her project baby so to speak. I can imagine having that shut down must really hurt especially if you were the one really fighting to get that off the ground to begin with. Too bad her racist outburst got the better of her.
Heck, depending on the particular brand of "conservative comedy" I've seen, it either seems to be venting vitriol and anger at a world that they no longer feel as powerful in or grifting ideas that they don't truly believe on a personal level themselves but feel alright with propagating because there's an audience that wants that and they can easily exploit. I don't know Barr. I'm not familiar with her career and I don't have a personal stake in her work. All I know is what I got from this video - that she's a bit of both of the categories I've outlined but also much more genuine feeling, somehow. And that did make me sad. Not in a haughty kind of way. Like, I kinda felt like giving her a hug, idk. Maybe it's not too late, Barr. You don't have to be defined by this even if it's painfully difficult to move on. The beliefs by which you stood, the mistakes you've made - they don't have to be you as you are now. I guess it's also because I'm projecting myself onto her in that. I very much used to be defined by such mistakes myself. It's upsetting.
It wasn't specifically mentioned in the video, but Rosanne has multiple personality disorder. It wouldn't be surprising if she felt the TV show character was one of her personalities, hence the real pain.
The worst thing about conservative 'comedy' is how heavy handed it is. The 'jokes' are always over-explained, hamfisted trash, obvious and spelled out to 'trigger the libs' who aren't even watching such trash to begin with. Big Joel remembers Lady Ballers so we don't have to.
they’re never even new over-explained hamfisted trash, it’s the same shit theyve been saying for 30 years now over and over again. Especially transphobes, they truly have One Joke.
that's just political "humor" in general, they're often worried you'll miss 0.1% of their message so they beat you over the head with it with all the tact and subtlety of a toddler cramming a square box through a round hole on their toy with the grown up hammer they grabbed out of the closet when you werent looking.
This is an interesting take since it's been one of the main criticisms I've heard of "liberal jokes" for nearly a decade now. How it just over explains itself with hamfisted trash clearly just pushing an agenda to people who don't watch that type of stuff anyway. The most recent example I can think of is how there were complaints in the new Doctor Who being too "liberal" with the revised David Tennant being mocked for being a man now compared to superior female predecessor (who was given terrible scripts and therefore had a bad run), used gender on an alien and had to apologise after being told by his new female sidekick who he then congratulates for correcting him on his improper gender, and changed the race of Isaac Newton with the Doctor talking about how attractive Isaac Newton looked and made a point of whether or not he's gay now. None of these points ever progress the plot or characters after that point and they're not really entertaining either so it just sticks out like a nail in a pillowcase. Maybe it's more accurate to say that BAD comedy over explains itself with hamfisted trash for a non-existent audience, and the political alignment of the people making it just codes it in specific jokes. Statistically there's always going to be bad comedy writers on both sides of the political spectrum and statistically speaking there will be those that laugh at comedy regardless of quality if it aligns with their views. Framing the quality of a single piece of writing or media as a reflection of the ideologies behind it is a reductive view. It's like a mirror with "Lady Ballers" where the movie depicts an hyperbolic idea to conservatives of what all liberals do just as it also makes a hyperbolic idea to liberals of what all conservatives believe despite it being a movie that I've heard no one talk about outside of this video. Sorry for the long reply.
@@BrickBreakerXX i think that's just a hallmark with most political "humor". It's not universally terrible but 90% of the time it's hamfisted. I work in a very conservative industry in a company full of conservatives but live in an area that's overwhelmingly liberal and when it comes to social media i spend a lot of time on more left leaning sites like imgur and reddit. I see a lot of the same, sometimes nearly identical memes and jokes used by both groups and i always find it hilarious because they'll admit the jokes are heavy handed when its the other side making the same joke but happily join the circlejerk when the "humor" aligns with their biases. Like I've seen a million jokes, memes, and pictures all making it seem like Biden wears diapers and liberals will say those jokes are in bad taste, they're purile and immature, that he's not so old he needs diapers and the pictures arent conclusive, and that even if he does wear diapers that it's a medical thing and you shouldnt mock people for medical issues they cant control... then those some people will show pictures of Trump that make it look like he wears diapers and mock him for it while the Trump fans jump to his defense using the same exact claims. Political humor is hard to do well but people are often willing to overlook terrible quality so long as it aligns with their biases. Between that and many people writing political humor being afraid that you might miss their message, not get the joke, or misunderstand their point that they decide t make it as obvious as possible by beating you over the head with it.
@@arthas640 I think what frustrates me about conservative 'comedies' like Lady Ballers here is that *the jokes are not even jokes.* To call this movie hamfisted would be a compliment. The intent of Lady Ballers wasn't to trigger any leftists, since they wouldn't be watching it outside of reviews like this. Rather it strokes its own choir's collective knob via a cavalcade of conservative culture-war talking points poorly disguised as jokes. It's low-grade conservative copium. The people who watch this film in earnest already think trans people are freaks who are after their kids. There are bad kinds of political humor of all shades. The other dude mentioned Doctor Who. I don't count woke pandering by massive corporations as 'political humor' but that's just me.
Here’s the supreme irony of “The Office”: Ricky Gervais’ character on the original show, David Brent, was based on a clueless boss he once had. Tim (Martin Freeman) - the “Jim” of the original series - was based on Ricky Gervais himself. You can see it in the way he bullies Gareth (the original Dwight). He treats Gareth the same way Gervais treated Karl Pilkington on his podcast and on “An Idiot Abroad”. I’m not saying that Gervais was once a Jim who somehow turned into a Michael Scott. I’m saying that he always WAS a Michael Scott who saw himself as a Jim.
You could probably also make the argument (he said, making the argument) that while Michael Scott is shitty, Jim is shitty in a different way. Unfortunately that is very close to bothsidesism.
@@Patrick-Phelan I wouldn't say so. That would imply that Jim and Michael are opposites, or even enemies. The truth is, they're a lot alike. Hell, there's that one episode where one of the employees calls Jim "Michael" by mistake for trying to implement a terrible birthday idea; one that Michael himself once tried, as well! It's not both sidesism when they're both on the same side.
Michael Scott also sees himself as a Jim. And Jim himself is more similar to Michael than he would want to admit. The only real difference is Michael is higher in the workplace hierarchy, so he a) is socially alienated from his coworkers by virtue of being above them, and b) has free reign to bully anyone he likes. Jim also bullies Dwight, often to get Pam’s approval, and he can get away with it because Dwight is clearly below him socially. If he was in Michael’s position, he would probably be a much shittier person. This is all to say, Ricky might have explicitly based Tim on himself and David on his ex-boss, but he put himself into both characters. We have seen his persona move closer to David Brent as he has become more powerful and alienated, but he was always both.
Finding Karl Pilkington was one of the only great things Ricky Gervais did. And even then, the podcast still had multiple moments where Stephen Merchant literally has to tell Ricky to shut up and let Karl speak.
Gervais's bit about not wanting people to say, "That's offensive," is so stupid. Saying, "I found that offensive," is no different than saying, "That offended me." If it offends someone (even one person), it has caused offense, which means that it is offensive. He's just talking in circles to make a point that isn't there, so that he can feel smart. But it's not smart. It's very, very stupid.
@alejandro9829 I'm not making a case for or against being offensive. If your point was the point he was trying to convey, then he should have just said that. Instead, he was just trying to sound smart by saying nothing.
I think being offended is good but I think there should perhaps be an implied limit on how annoying you can be about it, and I think satirizing the offended folks is the perfect place to start 🤔
I think the statement “that’s offensive” is presented as an objective fact, which is actually different to “that offended me” which is presented as a subjective opinion. It can actually be more persuasive to present an argument as an opinion / less certain, as it presents a discussion that is more open, and thus more inviting to opposing views.
The idea that a new age cultist would become a conservative is unsurprising, the underlying beliefs of many of those communities is like a circular vinn diagram. Like those 2 groups hang out together all the time
@@SlowMoebiusa lot of hippies had a “reject modern medicine” mindset. It’s not too hard to imagine this spiraling into anti vaccine conspiracies when left unchecked.
New age hippies tend to be very superstitious and "anti-establishment", and because of this are susceptible to Conservative thinking. They have a lot in common with evangelicals Christians, even the Atheist ones. I live on an island full of these people. They were always into weird conspiracy theories, and years of watching Alex Jones had primed them into believing in anything after Trump got elected. The stupid part is that these guys in my area aren't even American, but all they talk about is in reference to American politics 😅
The Nazi scene in The Wall is as vague as a bat to the face. This is another example of how some people need a literal sign behind the fascist with red arrow saying “this is an ultranationalist right wing fascist not to be confused with anyone else”.
I always think of a joke in the Rifftrax to Starship Troopers, after Neil Patrick Harris walks in wearing what is clearly modeled on an SS uniform: "For those of you still not getting it, the rest of Neil Patrick Harris' lines will be in German"
@@meredit931 The government in Starship Troopers does literally nothing to align themselves with Nazis and the director was a political midwit so Neil Patrick Harris is wearing a leather coat because...uh...umm...fascism!
@@meredit931but Verhoeven is extremely shit at satire, didn't fully read the source material then proceeded to make a movie with an almost utopic society that cares for the people lol, literally the only "fascist" things that appear on the movie are the uniforms, as if Verhoeven was like "hurhur, look see, they're totally fascists right ? Even though they have a totally democratic government who admits their mistakes and that any citizen can vote as long as they devote two years of their time to work for the interests of the people, who consequently are under attack by an intergalactic hive mind of insects bent on human annihilation, how fascist of them right ?"
I'm so glad you brought up Team America, because the whole ideology of that movie is so fucking weird. Trey and Matt are like "we think this thing is bad, but also you're dumb for whining about it." Honestly a lot of South Park episodes were like that too.
I see it as people in Hollywood thinking themselves as really important people since we pay attention to them. Hell, the guy who recruits Gary even acts like actors are great and powerful.
Yeah, I really liked that section of the video because even from when I first saw Team America I thought it was super weird in that regard. They dedicated at least equal or probably more time to making fun of celebrities speaking out about likely war crimes than they did the crimes themselves, to the point of making Alec Baldwin the central villain. The film also briefly portrayed Hans Blix as a bumbling buffoon when he in fact turned out to be entirely correct that Iraq did not WMD or WMD capability. I think the fact that it's a goofy puppet comedy stopped people from critically examining and realising it was pretty reactionary. Though to his credit, I think Australian film critic David Stratton noticed this at the time commenting "I think George Bush would actually quite enjoy this move if it wasn't for all the sex and swearing".
i feel so terrible for the little girl who plays Winnie in lady ballers. given that she's even in the movie i assume she's being indoctrinated every day at home, but there's something so especially horrifying about how she had to sit there and recite lines about how women are shit at everything.
Lady Ballers was a rare gem of a movie where the entire cast and crew are actually the butt of the joke, without realizing it in the slightest. Glorious ignorance
@@Sonichero151Especially with how bad the acting is. Though that adds to the hilarity if you know anything about the people who made it and are in it. The vast majority of the people at the Daily Wire are people who failed to get into Hollywood or washed out of it.
I find it way more fascinating that they started off with the premise of “we’re going to show these transes” but instead the overwhelming misogyny took over and they ended up mostly shitting on women and women’s sport.
Those clips from Roseanne's special affirms my belief that conservative comedians are just mad. They are too mad to tell a proper joke and they really just want to vent about what annoys them.
As long as you can see how both sides lie to us to push their agenda goals against the constitution and will of the people. There’s a reason the grift works so well. The little truth to it creates confirmation bias, but there is SOME truth. I miss real conservative values, not the BS culture war.
An Hbomberguy/Contrapoints-sized video like this should go on a channel called "Ginormous Joel." Little Joel for 5 minutes or less. Medium Joel for 5-15 minutes. Big Joel for 15 - 30 minutes. Huge Joel for 30 minutes to an hour. Ginormous Joel for more than an hour.
When he said he measured the sea levels, I thought he was going for a joke about the sea levels chaging rapidly thogh the day, like a joke about the tides. And, I thought, "oh thats not a bad joke", then he didn't even raise to that level of cleverness.
I would like to say that I really like that they had Winnie include swimming in the "what boys are better at" category, considering long distance swimming is a sport that is legitimately dominated by women. Like, top women beat top men in that one consistently
In that Ben Shapiro Lady Ballers cameo, he’s clearly wearing a yarmulke. They’re just shoe horning an openly jewish character in to make the movie more diverse. It’s just another example of the woke mob trying to influence our media.
@@allmycarsisbroke you may be right, but I have my doubts. Shapiro wears his yarmulke pretty faithfully on camera, and he’s very openly against anti-semitism. I can’t imagine him allowing them to make his jewishness a punch line about forced diversity.
Ladyballers also seems to have the issue of the format naturally being an underdog sports movie, but they can't actually show them losing to any of the ladies, not even for a bit, thus having to bend the plot into something else.
it CAN work, Shaolin Soccer exists. you just have to actually know how to write jokes instead of being a bizarre transphobic propaganda film about your waking nightmare of a "woke" society come true whose entire punchline is "haha man dress up as woman funny"
I think that they could have made the movie (a little bit) funnier. If it were say the only fully cis-woman team in a basketball league. It could be a good underdog story, while still being conservative even. They could even still have the cast of Ladyballers they actually used as the final boss or something
Yeah, they claim in the movie that men are better at everything anyways so narratively it clashes with the underdog sports movie cliché. Just purely bad writing. The part where the lady claims women's sports were made to keep men out is so stupid I had to pause the video. The beliefs of the creators are antithetical to reality and storytelling as a medium.
Yeah I had been thinking of this as well. Like yeah, they claim it's a comedy movie, not a sports movie, but it seems to be a sports movie with a patina of comedy?
The fact that the military LOVED Team America when it came out is strong evidence for what you're saying. We literally sang the songs as run cadence. We fucking loved that movie.
Yea...they loved the satire? I don't think that's evidence for his point. Like, people have always understood the movie. I'm not sure Joel does, though.
A whole lot of people watched the Colbert Report because they thought it was an actual news source. Satire is entertaining as fact, to those it satirizes but take it at face value.
@@homemadeluty3590 I think he understands it better than a lot of people actually. You see "haha funny" but ignore the shift to justifying everything and as he pointed out its not even the first time they've done it.
The thing I took away from the clips is that she's still "got it", but she's in a very bad place mentally and has lost the perspective to turn her wit into effective and well targeted jokes
The part where the little girl said she want to be a boy really threw me off. Like, are they addressing misogyny in conservative narrative? Are they admitting that there is such a thing as performing a gender? I´m still confused what actually happened there.
It's not hard to understand. They're playing it straight (no pun intended). Men are better than women in every conceivable way and one of the many ways that trans people are destroying American society is by allowing women to access corridors of power and influence that they have no damned right to be in. At the end of the day, the reason people care about gender at all is because we organize SO much of our lives around it. Trans people are a microscopic slice of our population, but they're enough to get people panicked about what would happen if men and women stopped having separate lives, separate powers, and separate access.
I think they're trying to do the whole "genders have roles" thing, and say "Well, women are for cooking, cleaning, taking care of kids, and men are good at everything else, so stay in your lane and you'll be happy." They seem to completely miss how that attitude is exactly what causes people to feel at odds with their assigned gender though 😅
No they just went "Women are made to serve men, because they are inferior" and made a little girl say that boys are better at everything that matters in society. Isn't that just a heartwarming message....
@@GeneralTaco155555a yeah they seem to be trying to act like white knights who are sticking it to trans women who are destroying women's sports while also saying women doing sports is a waste of time that could be better spent in the kitchen.
Apparently there's a whole brand of spiritual, middle-aged men who's political journey is basically "so much for the tolerant left". After that point, it's a straight line to recommending Matt Walsh documentaries and Bruce Gilley's books. Learned this in uni.
There's a specific kind that came around due to the pandemic. Hyper individual wellness-types, who started getting very irritated at the idea they need to make sacrifices for other people who "weren't trying" as hard as them to be healthy. Think Pete Evans. Naomi Klein's new book has a good section about this.
@@fehzorz There were 'always' right wing hippies with healthfood businesses promoting Eugenicist UFO Cults. American Religion is just too splintered and nonconformist to assume that the small business weirdos that keep up Republican support from Reagan onwards are all Evangelical hardliners. If anything the grown of a unified Evangelicalism absorbing the smaller nonconformist denominations is downstream of the Reagan coalition and not the natural state of American religious conservatism. Stranger in a Strange Land was written by a right wing libertarian and was one of the defining books of the free love era. L Ron Hubbard was a commited anticommunist as was Von Daniken who promoted the ancient aliens stuff for Americans. The Left Wing Hippie stereotype was the invention of Right wing propaganda not an accurate generalisation of a movement.
I think this is a part of a larger growing movement that is, from the view of those in it at least, conservativism as counterculture. Spiritual wellness new age stuff has been around for long enough now that for a certain generation, mainly Gen X/Boomers, that culture is mainstream. And when fueled by a victim complex, a feeling that those people are making the world worse somehow, it leads to the belief that being conservative, having traditional values, is rebellious, is countering mainstream culture. This is reflected in the world they created for Ladyballers, one where characters like the bug-eating hippie are supposed to represent the mainstream culture, and the main character and his band of fake trans women are meant to be the brave rebels defying that culture.
@@chuckbatman5 Parts of American conservatism are inherently counter cultural because of American settlement patterns. American Evangelicalism is a fusion of sects that would be called 'nonconformist' in Europe and spread over small towns in America during the 1800s Manifest Destiny period. During the Second Great Awakening Christian denominations became heavily split among class lines with the political elites favouring Episcopalianism/Anglicanism which then influenced the Muscular Christianity of the Ivy League Schools and became known as 'mainline protestantism'. 'Conservative' was not a term of popular self-identification in the USA until it was popularised by William F Buckley, a Catholic whose experience of descrimination at Yale under Episcopalian teachers became the model for the 'Liberal Campuses hate conservatives' Myth. A hallmark of extremist nonconformist Christianity is considering Catholics and Episcopalians to not be 'true Christians'. So called 'Christian' media like Christian Films and Rock Music use this definition of Christianity. So in spite of the USA having always been a majority Christian country so called 'Christian culture' has never mean 'mainstream culture' and has always been a 'counter culture'. In the 80s 'mainline' Protestantism started declining while 'Evangelicalism' started aborbing nonconformist movements via megachurches, flipping the USA's traditional denominational demographics so that Evangelicals are now the biggest one. The concept of 'coastal elites' used by American conservatives is a direct descendent of the antagonism between Evangelicalism and 'Mainline' protestantism. Convervative Evangelicals just have a lot of inherited narratives that don't make sense because the whole point of conservatism is being reluctuant to update narratives to match facts.
There’s a couple of reasons he could have changed in my perspective: 1. A distrust of medical authority is often times popular in the new age spirituality movement. During the COVID-19 pandemic, this distrust was used by the Trump administration to bolsters his ratings and to minimize the pandemic. Many new age spiritualists started realizing they had more in common to conservatives than they thought and likely were absorbed into the anti-intellectualism of conservative America. 2. He had a major personal crisis in which he felt disatisfied with new age spiritualist community. This lead to him seeking out a community through which he discovered conspiracy theorist conservatism. 3. He is just not that bright. Often times it is frowned upon to insult the intelligence of people who don’t “agree” with your views. However, it has to be said that the general lack of critical thinking exhibited by far right conservatives can sometimes be a result of a lack of intelligence, education, or life experience. 4. He is an influencer first most, meaning there is a possibility he simply cares about viewership of his channel because that is what gives him money. With the explosion of anti-establishment conservative conspiracy popularity during the pandemic, he sought an even larger more consistent audience, despite him himself maybe not believing the things he says. It could also be a mixture of some or all of these as well.
Recovering Paranoid Schizophrenic, here. I’s like you’re trying to fill a hole in the ground, and you’re very particular about what goes in it because the hole is also very specifically shaped. You want just the pieces that fit, and everything thing else just gets tossed out. And what you’re actually left with is both a landfill, and a dump.
Modern conservatism isn't happy, so of course he's upset. It's insecure, embittered, grievance driven and conspiratorial. To be a modern conservative is to see a massive international force that hides itself and makes everyone around you become weak and perverted. To feel like that same force is pushing you out of society, forcing people to shun you, cause issues for you legally, make your old friends dislike you and institutions to lie to you. The world is a bunch of weak liars who hate you for being strong, but those same weak liars control everything, looming over your every move and taking away everything you hold dear. It's a miserable way to think. It's why they crave validation and see people being assholes in public as power fantasies, they want to lash out at a world they're convinced is set up against them.
I think it's because they want to be seen as transgressive, and when you call them conservative it tells them that they're beliefs are closer to their parents rather than anything actually transgressive.
Its because in their minds the things they say aren't "conservative" they're just "normal" and all of the other comedians are just radical left wing libs.
They're also very much the ones in power. A bunch of rich white guys think they are the victims and Big Woke are the oppressors because they sometimes get criticized for viciously bullying vulnerable minorities. Many conservatives unironically think that white men are oppressed because they live life in a bubble and only engage with an idpol obsessed echo chamber.
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One thing to understand is that alot of Gen X left wingers or liberals (pls don't kill me with terminology I'm a dumb dumb) have switched slowly to conservative beliefs, my mom did the same thing. I believe the idea of freedom of body and distrust of the government of that generation causes them to make the switch. You will likely find more Gen Xers who have switched from lib to con
Why is your channel always so cynical? Lady Ballers was exactly what we needed today world
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I Laughed so hard at 22:25 . Beacause, the answer is... the USA has the fastest rate of Atheism in the world and an Atheist lives a life closer to the teachings of Jesus than the modern American self-identifying Christian. 🤣
I know you probably won't read it, but your video made me very emotional, just seeing nostalgia critic part and Roseanne Barr made me feel bad for them, I wondered what happend in their lives that they turned out that way (oh and the same goes for people like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh), is the reason why they act like that rooted in childhood trauma? Self hatred? I can't be even mad at Roseanne because in how pitful situation she is, how lied to she is. I would really love to know what pushed them where they are right now
@@xenomorphexidious9102 have you seen Cody's (of the Some More News TH-cam channel) review of Lady Ballers? Omg 😂 I cried laughing. It's so good.
I'm fascinated by the skit about the conservative teacher. When he says the line "You have objectively weak parents..." and it cuts to the woke SJW looking shocked, I was expecting him to finish the line by going "But I can help" or "but that doesn't mean you have to be weak" and he'd then inspire the kid to be a cool strong traditional American or whatever.
But no, he just goes "You're also weak and I hate you" and it made me realize, he doesn't want to "correct" the kid or take them under his wing and show them how to be a "strong" person or whatever, it's just time to shit on the kid. He doesn't want to improve lives or help kids like a teacher might, he basically is just there to roast all of the students and make them sad. That's all he wants, that's all his audience wants, they just want to bully those nasty woke liberals
a pattern i've noticed with transphobes is telling trans people to "get help", yet in the many times i've seen said suggestion, none actually answer what this "help" is. it's almost like they don't actually want to ""help"" trans people, but just further taunt them.
@@stardusst "get help" usually just means "jOin tHE 40% hHEhEHEHhEHh!!!" when you dig deep enough
the cruelty is the joke
@@stardusst They don't want them to get 'help' they want them to be gone so they don't have to deal with them.
When I hear "get help" the joke is usually that the person has a mental illness (help being therapy/medication). In that context, it makes perfect sense since it implies that gender nonconformity is a mental illness. Thankfully I've never had to deal with someone that deep in the conservative hole.
I remember Shapiro saying that the whole inspiration behind producing movies was to remove politics from them. As predicted, "removing politics" just meant "inserting politics we like and being about as subtle as a sledgehammer". They WANT to be what they think Hollywood is.
Also almost anything, even if unintentionally, political. Dr Seuss books, if you understand historical context, was political. Sonic the hedgehog in a vaguely simple way is political. You can't necessarily escape it. And it sometimes makes a film more interesting if done right.
@@tressonkaru7410 Yeah, the Sonic series, both in the games and in the expanded media (comics, anime, etc.) is very clearly anti-authoritarian in its messaging - you have a plucky blue hedgehog (and his various friends) going up against a mad scientist and an army of robot slaves bent on world domination.
Huh. Didn’t realize you were a Big Joel fan. Always took you for more of a conservative type.
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"we wanted to make a doc about how easy it is to join womens basketball as a man but we couldnt do it because it wasnt easy at all"
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THEN
They were probably thinking one of 2 things:
1) Even if trans women "go all the way" they still have some intrinsic advantage at sports just by way of having a Y chromosome. This belief is obviously very wrong but if you did believe this then criticising trans people in sports would at least be a logical course of action even if you exaggerated it substantially in doing so
2) They don't actually care about trans people in sports at all directly, they only care about using it as the thin end of the wedge to promote transphobia in general, and eventually overall queerphobia
@bosstowndynamics5488 so why do men only go into women sports and not vice versa? Because of the natural difference in bone structure and natural muscle we have? Once enough mentally challenged ppl join the women sports there won't be women sports just men sports.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 im all for living at let live.....but i kinda do think that trans women do have an advantage over they XX peers when it comes to sport.
i agree that those folks dont give a flying fuck about female sport/leagues but......that doesnt make the advantage point invalid.
@@notyourdamnbusiness8795 The fact they don't care isn't what invalidates the advantage point, the reason most people don't consider trans athletes to have an advantage is because, for the most part, they don't. This isn't as new of an area as reactionaries would have you believe, there's been studies on the performance of cis vs trans women and after a period on hormones their performance is largely equivalent in most sports, with the exceptions being areas where being tall confers an advantage more than anything else as post puberty MTF transition tends to result in being taller than cis women (and even then you could just stratify athletes by height, the actual thing conferring advantage, instead of mostly meaningless markers like chromosomes).
The only thing the y chromosome does is make testosterone, so in and of itself it confers no advantage to athletes on exogenous hormones that suppress testosterone production - this is the key reason DW couldn't do a "documentary", because none of their cis man participants were willing to self inflict gender dysphoria by going on hormones for it, and even if they were they would almost certainly have lost anyway since a bit of height can't compensate for far less skill even in a height advantage game like basketball.
It is so bizarre to me that he outright said that. Its one thing to intend it, say it, then edit it out.
It's crazy to me he admitted it publicly. That the entire premise of his comedy is nonsense.
I think I just had an epiphany about conservative humor. The jokes aren't actually IN the act or the film. The jokes are in the mind of the conservative viewers as they imagine the responses of triggered liberals.
Who aren't even watching this garbage and are already aware of their bronze age social values, so there's nothing triggering there.
Like the current ideal Doctor Who fan, got it.
Wow you liberals are just SEETHING
@@askthepizzaguy Or, alternatively, we _are_ watching it completely untriggered and laughing at how horribly awful it is.
@@sacrificiallamb4568Oh but tell more
That child actress in lady ballers has way better comedic timing than any of the grown ass professionals around her. Like that list of things boys are better at is a dumb joke but she actually delivered it with the correct cadence for the joke to work which is more than you can say for anyone else
Genuinely a talented kid, I hope she doesn't get indoctrinated. Was hard to watch her being given that cringe sexist speech.
i feel so bad for her.
Would be hilarious if she turned out to trans years from now
I have to say her just, yelling about opening pickle jars did make me laugh.
Yeah I watched the movie and she was the EXTREME standout.
That punching scene in Lady Ballers pulls away the curtain so cleanly.
Finally a character attempts a sincere conversation, an intimate moment with a person coming out to a friend.
Only to be met with stone-faced contempt, disgust, and immediate violence.
Alex is not refuted by words or even laughter, no, only naked violence suffices to disprove her silly claim to womanhood.
All the jokes, all the lampooning and terrible satire, everything suddenly makes sense.
Ugly, cruel, violent, a cathartic moment in a conservative fantasy.
Congrats to Gary’s actor in that scene, it's the only one where he feels authentic.
Actually made me sick to my stomach.
Least dramatic joel fan:
Something something art should disturb the comfortable something something.
I know. I remember seeing parts of that scene before, and it broke my heart. Alex shares about her struggles, and her moment of finally feeling "right" when she went into drag. She was so sincere I expected the answer to be "oh okay, you're a real trans woman, I respect that" and for that moment to show that the filmmakers believe trans people exist, they just want to keep them out of sports. But Joel cut out quite a bit from that scene. He cut out Gary's rant about how Alex is just sick and misguided, and there's no way she's a woman. How trans women are just messed up or brainwashed. It shocked me how willing he was to say that to her face. Usually conservatives at least try to say something kind of compassionate towards what they deem as "real" trans people. Gary said the quiet part out loud.
I wish I could give the character Alex some hugs. She felt so real in a sea of satire.
@@olivercharles2930 so sorry you had to read new words Oliver. that must have been very upsetting for you
@SomeKidFromBritain sure just discomfort isn't enough to make something art
'you make jokes that would have ted cruz dying from laughter' is about the meanest thing you could say to a comedian. Great job
😬 this is not it dude
Could compare them to Ricky Gervais...
As a trans woman, damn was this painful towards the end. Perhaps the thing that pisses me off the most is how transwomen in sports is *the* thing that they talk about. You know what we actually care about? Access to healthcare, employment, and housing; being respected by our families, coworkers, and society at large. Conservatives talk about sports because it's something they can win on and sound more reasonable. It's the motte and bailey when their actual stance is criminalizing our existence.
It’s so crazy to me how much trans existence in the conservative eye is entirely just bathrooms and sports. Like all trans women do is just shit and ball. It would be absurdly funny were it not so harrowing
can confirm, Im trans masc and Ill be talking about a number of random other things and theyll go "trans women in sports!" and like - I hate sports. I dont wanna talk about sports. Sorry to trans athletes but I just can barely care about that. Because it's ultimately still just sports to me, which is like how my sister feels when I try to talk about dnd.
By respect you mean play along with.
@@chrisbfreelance I almost feel bad for people like you. Being so devoid of empathy, so resistant to listening to medical and scientific experts, thinking that showing decency to others is a burden. Then I remember transphobes actively try to make my life worse.
I can confirm. Im a trans woman and i dont care if someone is better or worse at basketball than me. On a surface level i think trans people should have their identities respected in sports, or at the very least there should be some sort of unisex league. But that is so far removed from my list of priorities
i have spent quite a lot of time around people who are the new agey/energy crowd, and the reason why the dude went from new age spiritualist to hardcore conservative is because new age spiritualists are often way WAY more conservative than you'd expect. being anti-vax, anti-feminist, 'anti-woke' is super common in that culture.
oh weird, people who think they know all the answers by just believing the opposite of what most people think are morons.
I... used to be unsure as to how there was a lot of psycho-reactionary stuff from the new-age movements, until I read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, which was a memoir of a commune of one of the big LSD movers-and-shakers back in the 60s. Then it became very obvious (to me) how it could be. They weren't progressive - just a bunch of hedonists who thought their hedonism made them better than others. Goodness knows that the mainstream culture of the U.S. in the 60s wasn't good, it obviously wasn't. But a big bit of the counter-culture wasn't civil right movements and the like, but just... well, druggies.
It might also be that new agey/energy people already have such a crazy and unreasonable understanding of the world that these other beliefs that deny (scientific) reality isnt a leap. Being conservative is comparatively grounded.
That's not what cognitive dissonance means. You're describing compartmentalism. Cognitive dissonance refers to feelings of discomfort when you actively and most importantly knowingly engage in actions and behaviour which contradict your beliefs and values. Simply holding multiple values or beliefs which contradict simultaneously is just compartmentalizing.
Exactly. The venn diagram of back to the earth, natural medicine, flowy skirt hippies and anti-vax, racial supremacist, "trad" conservatives is nearly a circle.
"Your gender is: 'Get a job!' " is the most singularly distilled line of boomer comedy I have ever heard
It's all of their jokes combined into one elegant phrase.
It’s kind of gold ngl
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@@atleyf3500 yup
And far funnier than most of their other trans jokes.
The scene with the daughter "wanting to be a man" is particularly funny in a... deeply disturbing way. Like my thought was "oh, they'll like have some ham-fisted 'women are good at some things and men are good at some things' moral message" but instead... like they just say men actually ARE better than women. Like, shit, in the world they present why wouldn't you want to be a man?
they follow it up with the "women are good at caring and being reasonable" line
With how conservatives talk about gender you'd think men were all superhuman roided out terminators and women are all just like the eraserhead baby dragging our bodies across the floor when in reality consistent, guaranteed sex differences just don't exist lol. There's tendencies, but nothing is guaranteed. If the reason trans women are banned from women's sports is because they're tall, what about cis women who are just as tall? Why don't we separate basketball teams by height instead of gender? What about cis men who wanna play basketball and are good at it but are stuck at a dead end because they're 5' 7"? Isn't that unfair to them? Why do we care so much about high school teams when for most people high school sports are entirely about making friends and having fun? The more you think about it the more obvious it is they just want to exclude the people they hate from public view. Before trans women it was lesbians everyone wanted to ban from bathrooms and sports. Time is a flat circle.
For comparison, a fun factoid I remember is that many sports have a relative age effect where people born in the first few months of the year are overrepresented because in youth leagues they're months older than their peers and as a kid that makes a huge difference. So they get more attention from coaches, enjoy their time more, and are more likely to continue the sport until they're old enough a few months doesn't make a difference. Sports are inherently unfair in about 10 billion ways, but we only care when it means we can exclude marginalized groups
@@Strauss-the girl was clearly the smartest, the most confident of them all and they didn't even giver her that
Without seeing the rest of the movie it's almost a Twilight Zone-esque cautionary tale twist: As she lists things we rack focus slowly back to Rod Serling to talk about how you played the system and the game and you won both. But in doing so you've proven to your child that men are better at the things your daughter wants to be. Now you have a gender-questioning child as your 'ironic prize.'
@@Strauss-but they dont even think women are more reasonable.
the most telling thing is ben shapiro's slip saying "they dont allow ACTUAL men to join a womens basket ball league" which shows that, at least in some capacity, he does think that trans women aren't men. there's got to be some small part of him that knows that he's been lying and talking out of his ass the entire time
Ben Shapiro is one of those rage vultures who doesn’t really believe most of the things he says. His career is built off satisfying the most extreme & radical people he can, because those people have a mob mentality and will give him a lot more money and notoriety. But like other political influencers like piers morgan for example, he most likely doesn’t really care about what he’s saying 99% of the time
@@lunarrover4923yeah he’s a shill. If you watched him pre-2016, he talked so much shit about Trump and his campaign. But then he fell into the MAGA fold because of good ol- peer pressure (and an opportunity to grow his own brand).
I don't know. A lot of conservative trans rhetoric revolves around treating trans people as facisimiles attempting to be something they're not and becoming nothing in the process. A common anti trans shitpost on 4chan for instance was "your dad lost a son and didn't gain a daughter".
I just heard few days ago (from YT comments) that multiple trans people came out saying that Ben Shapiro is very pleasant in private and even called them by preferred pronouns
@@theseeker7692 honestly, i don't know whether that makes it better or worse
It's such a gift to be told Lady Ballers was supposed to be a documentary, but was stymied by the fact the entire point of the satire doesn't reflect reality.
And then they went ahead and tried to make the satire anyway.
I had no idea of this hilarious and telling fact. Thank you Huge Joel.
They weren't allowed to join the league because they're not transgender. Not because the league don't allow transgenders.
@@limemason it was specifically that it turns out most leagues actually have requirements (e.g. being on over two years of hrt, which affects things like metabolism, muscle distribution, etc) which no one was willing to do for a dumb daily wire video, and that cis guys can't just walk up and say 'i identify as a woman' and immediately get to play, which was the core thesis of their movie.
@@taylor6528That just proves the Daily Wire crew can't commit to the bit, they can't go the mile to save America. 😤😤😤
@@thebigdork8030 Just once I'd like a transphobe to prove how it's "easy" to transition, by transitioning.
And then Ben Shapiro is sharing this information as if it’s the funniest thing ever and it’s affirming his beliefs
bro wanted to prove how easy it was to join the women's basketball league but couldn't, reminds me of that one always sunny episode where dennis is trying to prove how easy it is to buy guns but he's acting like a lunatic so no one would sell it to him
That Always Sunny skit gets like x13 times funnier when you learn that Steven Crowder did that unironically.
and because he was poor, wanted to buy an AR but wouldn't actually put the money down on it
That's the crazy thing because most of these conservatives would get beat by female athletes. How does anyone take Ben Shapiro seriously? I know women who could ragdoll the little guy...what does that make him? Outside of being a Zionist demon and political tool of division in the United States.
Ben Shapiro's idea about making Ladyballers a documentary, but not being able to do it because it's very premise just doesn't exist is endlessly funny. Instead of making up a guy to get mad at, he made up an entire reality.
@@qjames0077lol wrong again
Ben actually said they wanted to make it a documentary and couldn't find any leagues that were a free for all like you morons think
@@qjames0077 i think lia thomas is not similar to the charachters in this movie. She is not fake-transitioning and conspiring to compete in womens sports to win--that is a imaginary thing that exists only in the movie
@@reeding.wrightyou’re right, he’s a f3t!shist man who’s into AGP with his boyfriend, not a transgendered person at all, or in any shape or form a woman.
@@qjames0077 You hit the nail on the head. Ladyballers was a terrible movie because it had low production value and bad writing. You can make almost any topic funny if the writing is witty and sharp. That movie, much like this video, is intended to promote a narrative and reassure members of it's team that they are correct and the others guys are the bad guys. It's makes us all dumber as a society but it makes it much easier to manipulate people.
@qjames0077 literally not at all, also, most if not all of the records she broke have been broken AGAIN, by cis women. You are almost comically wrong
This makes me think about some of the dialogue surrounding the game Disco Elysium. How a lot of centrists and even conservatives will play the game and say it cannot be leftist or even concerned with a particular political ideology because it makes fun of every political ideology. Even though the developers are openly communists, even though the key message of the game depends on the understanding that capitalism and the fascist ideology that upholds it are evil to the point it robs people of their humanity, some will still argue the game CANNOT be communist, simply because it also makes fun of communists.
I think that says a lot about how conservatives and some liberals see themselves, comedy is about reinforcing their fantasy. Everything is very direct, the joke is the other. They cannot make fun of the self.
I suspect that...part of people being unable to properly parse D-E's political leanings-particularly if they're not *already* a lefty-is a consequence of them having, to one degree or another, a rather skewed perspective on what "communism" even *is*.
My favorite part of disco Elysium is if you play a character type that's "smart and analytical" (I forgot the exact name for it). You literally are more likely to be talking yourself into the idea that racism and fascism is like the intellectual way. That incredibly racist dude who literally gate keeps you at one part in the early game you have to interact with him. It's so funny your character is talking himself into it "he's making some good points" and you literally have to be "smart" enough to invest and absorb racism into your psyche it's fucking hilariously great. Your partner during all this is just such a fun juxtaposition if you actually follow along with this guy's racism. They literally force you to interact with these weird ideologies and directly interact with them and it's such a clearly deeply political game (and the fact that it references a lot of ideologies), people to act like it's straight up right leaning and supports it, is a failure of reading comprehension on their part. They literally make fun of people like that in the game mechanics and the way it interacts with you making your player character think you're a f****** genius because you became a racist. It's so funny. Literally directly making fun of the people who are right leaning fascists.
I really love the systems in that game. It's not just like an intelligent stat. It's literally you thinking you're too smart for everybody else and it's your personality/character trait/flaw. Their monologues are not really influencing the player character. They're trying to influence you and the way you think. Just such an interesting game mechanic.
@@mrmoment6061 yes. The game makes the argument that any stat in extremes is bad. But the fun thing is that communism is also an intelectual ideology in game, its associated with Rhetoric and Conceptualization, implying communism requires you to look outside the box and comprehend the way others think, BUT the failures of communism are also getting too caught in theory and forgetting to actually organize and making connections with your fellow workers. You need a high int stat to internalize racism, but the actual thought gives a debuff on logic because it’s so insane, and fascism as an ideology is associated with your endurance (lower intestines) because it’s both an ideology born of sheer instinctual anger and hate, but also because it’s literally a shit ideology. All the thoughts are painfully Harry no matter what they do because they’re all working to rationalize and navigate the world the way he sees it, which is why the game changes so much based on which stats you invest in. Hell, I think one of the most interesting choices the game made was associating centrism with Empathy, as a bad thing, because if you become obsessed with never hurting anyone and never stepping on anyone’s toes you’ll never be able to actually make any difference in the world. The game gives all these ideological thoughts and complicated feelings because it wants you to confront what leads a person to be political in the first place, where certain feelings come from and what that says about who you are. While also making it clear that in reality, things can be simpler, that politics aren’t a way for you shield yourself, but rather to insert yourself within the world, that you need to have hope things can be better, that you need to care for one another and believe things can work out. Otherwise you’ll just be left behind, never passing the failure.
@MoonyMoonzzi this is nitpicking, but Advanced Race Theory doesn't tank Logic. It decreases Drama before internalizing and increases Conceptualization with no drawbacks (except your conscience) once it's finished. Mazovian Economics decreases Visual Calculus, interestingly enough.
My first playthrough was Int/Psy with only 1 in Mot/Phy, so the only way I could get to Evrart without dying was to internalize Measurehead's "race theory". Funnily enough, everyone calls you a racist for it, of course, but once you forget the thought, it's as if the world forgets it with you, because they stop calling you that. Didn't even get the "Hard Stuff, Bröther" prompt from Endurance that playthrough.
"capitalism and fascist ideology that upholds it"
Are we talking about the game or real world here? Because since when is capitalism upheld by fascism?
Sorry but the Rosanne joke "Mom, what is my gender?"
"Your gender is, get a job, that's your gender." got a full belly laugh out of me for the sheer ridiculousness of it. It's genuinely like a parody of what someone her age would say, it's incredible.
Same! With the right set up that joke is really funny
I laugh out loud and also use the super bad "my pronouns are..." jokes for the same reason.
And the irony is that she lost her job because of horrible jokes.
@@Spanishdog17 lol
"NO MORE BULLSHIT!"
Roseanne Barr just yelling "Stalinism" and "Communism" reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Lois Griffin is running for office and just says "9/11" to get cheers lol
Haha
OMG THIS
@@rabidrabbitshuggers
"9/11.... was bad!"
I think of that episode often. That and the futurama election with Jack Johnson running against John Jackson
@@0ldar A damn classic haha
you know, for not caring about the environment, these conservatives sure do recycle their jokes a lot
edit: since this comment doesn't deserve to be top comment here, i'll just add something of mild value. at 1:26:22, the joke COULD have worked in another movie and with better timing, as a commentary about how no one watches women's sports. the way they made it is "women's sports bad because women bad at sports", because if they went with the obvious joke i described, they would have to confront the fact that maybe people are sexist and that would squander their point, because they will only ever care about women's sports as a vessel for transphobia.
Oh well that's easy, it's because recycling is a scam so they're all for it
Exactly, everyone knows recycling is a scam
On a meta-level, I find joy in the amount this specific joke has also been recycled
many conservatives care about the environment, they just don't like when the government tells them to care
@@petaflop. that seems to me something of a contradiction, given that deregulation has allowed growth-at-all-costs overproduction and overextraction to flourish and cause ecological harm across the planet
Shoutout to the conservative who knows what pegging is
That they hate pegging just shows they have no clue how good life could be. 😏
Its how you can tell he converted over rather than being born into it.
they all do
Yeah that’s all
@@seremetvlad Are they 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂
King Of The Hill is an excellent example of what conservative comedy could be. Hank is an old fashioned man in a fast changing world (the starting premise of every conservative sitcom ever) and each episode his conservative beliefs will be tested. Often times he will be proven wrong and have to change a little bit. But almost as often, he will be proven right. And the show always respects who he is and what he believes in, while putting extremist right wing ideology firmly in its place. But somewhere in the last 20 years conservative ideology swung so far right it stopped being funny anymore.
In a weird way, I'd say American conservatives have trouble making conservative art, nowadays. It always devolve in some all out attack on strawmen that no one even recognize. So we now have progressives doing "conservative" shows, like Fargo, featuring honest god-fearing republicans, because if a conservative made it, our heroes would be harassing minorities for the kicks of it.
I'm honestly wondering how that reboot will work given this. How does someone like Hank Hill survive in a world where he simply can't be conservative enough?
King of the Hill was made by a progressive/lib though. He tried to do a version teasing progressives but it never got past the pilot. It doesn’t reinforce conservative values or idealogy; it mocks them from a place of knowledge but doesn’t embrace them at all.
@@mommalion7028 Co-creator Greg Daniels is a libertarian and you can see a lot of his influence on the show. The episode I was thinking about was the one where Hank's workplace can't fire a drug addict because government legislation says he has a disability. It's the kind of story that today's anti-DEI republicans would love. And there are plenty of episodes (such as the ones about religion - the mega church, Christian rock, the Halloween hell house - all things that were to the right of traditional conservatism then, but where the Republicans find themselves now) where the episode comes down on the side that Hank is right, he shouldn't have to change and it's the world around him that's gone too far. The plot to every Fox News broadcast ever.
@@davidmylchreest3306just to clarify your comment: the mega church, halloween hell house, etc. were "Hank vs. Extreme Conservatives", not hank being an extreme conservative himself. But otherwise yeah. I vividly remember him being outraged about an x-ray of his steak-filled colon being displayed in an art museum without his permission and him leveraging a texas law against people 'defaming the beef industry' to have the cops take it down -- and the episode framed the artists as 'out-of-touch city liberals'. Hank's always been vaguely conservative but also almost entirely apolitical. Today, he would almost definitely consider himself a "Moderate". Especially because of Bobby's weirdness expanding his worldview over the show's run.
The "nostalgia critic erotica" in the search history was a rly funny touch. I dont know why but search history jokes always get me
They’re neat little Easter eggs that reward you for simply paying attention
@@CCDaDon15Otherwise known as sight gags! The Simpsons was pretty legendary for them
Futurama too. It’s in that search for the profound profane
"I was a weird chubby dweeb"
Shows three pictures of himself looking exactly the same
Big Joel: Conservative Comedian
he looked like the kind of guy i would have dated back then
I was very confused about „chubby“
he looks somewhat evil
@@quali-vd3udhe really does
The absolute _worst_ thing about that punch scene at the end is that the writers, heavily conservative writers who hate the existence of trans people and want to deny their right to do basically anything, actually wrote it well. They portrayed authentically the feelings that trans people can experience; like their own skin is just kind of "wrong" somehow, and they can't explain or fix it for years until they realize how much more at home they feel playing the other part. How can they understand that experience well enough to portray it empathetically in their movie, only to immediately shit in its face anyway?
> "I've been struggling with something in secret for years, but now I think I know why, which I'm really relieved and excited about; so I'm confiding in you, my close friend whom I love and trust, in order to share my happiness!"
> "Ew. You're wrong and gross and I don't support you, get back in the closet."
Like. Seriously? Y'all think you're the good guys...?
This struck me as well. There's a quote from Ender's game that goes something like "When I understand my enemy well enough to beat them, in that moment, I also love them". I can't fathom understanding a struggle well enough to articulate it and then STILL treating it as disgusting and unnatural and inhuman and wrong.
@@coricognitions truly ironic after the stuff in that book that Orson Scott Card is a reactionary misogynist dipshit
_"and want to deny their right to do basically anything"_
Nice strawman.
@@nickkorkodylas5005 Did you only just learn of the word "strawman?" Because that's not what it means. Nice lack of a counterargument, though.
@@courtykat Let me rephrase that. Having people fired from their jobs and imprisoned for not using your pronouns is not a human right, but feel free to name ANY equal citizen right that conservatives want to deprive you of.
All conservative comedy does this thing where they start with a premise and then just get mad and forget to do a punchline
There's so much boring ranting with conservative comedians. I don't know how anyone sits through an hour of some guy red-faced, spitting into a mic about people he hates.
Tribalism is stupid and exists more in teh minds of people who can't notice patterns in the world
Have you noticed how easy it is to get laughs in more left-leaning communities by talking about depression? Sad or mad, you dont have to choose
@@jek__
what
just love it when they get mad lol
@@jek__ making a joke about being depressed and getting so angry about the premise of your joke you forget to be funny is not the same💀
this is truly scary. in 10-15 years Big Joel will stand at the rooftops, shouting how gay mickey is actually quite dangerous and disney shouldn't have made gay mickey. Something for us all to be wary of.
Imagine how much bigger he will be then too
@@fart63large joel
@@megan-mr9vk LARGEST joel
@@TastelessTrees immense joel
KAIJOEL @@zoey2421
For fucks sake, the 'joke' about the sea levels rising would be so easy to do as an actual joke.
"I moved to California and went straight to the sea and the levels were LITERALLY rising before my eyes! Halfway through the day they went back down again but THEN came right back up that very evening!"
Yeah you could word that better but 'person who believes in climate change confuses the tide with sea levels rising' at least has an actual joke in there somewhere.
I truly thought that's the direction it was going, I was almost going to defend it in advance
I genuinely thought that was going to be the joke. It was maybe a bit predictable with the pre amble, but wouldn't have been *not* funny I guess
i was bracing for that punchline because i've heard it so many times. shock value usually leads to funnier moments, but here it somehow made it worse.
Nr
@@Isak_Real like many other conservative jokes that appear to have a couple of extra beats crammed in there, my money would be on them initially considering telling the joke that way but deciding most of their audience would need an explanation about the rising tides.
"Taking a moment of silence for all the workers exploited by capitalism" based teacher tbh
I love that Paul Saladino eats only raw animal organs and yet his last name is mostly salad
Holy shit 😂
facts ‼️
Paul Salad-eat-o
You can never trust someone's name. Dino Dini's real name is "Dinosaur Dinisaur," yet he inexplicably evolved from a mammal.
Brilliant
The part about Lady Ballers where the core conceit of the movie revolves around an apparent belief by the makers that trans people both don't really exist but also have taken over every aspect of society reminds me of Eco writing about how fascists tend to center their ideology on a belief that all of their enemies are weak, effete, fragile degenerates who instantly crumble to dust the moment they encounter the slightest bit of resistance but also simultaneously have a powerful iron-clad control over all of media, culture, finance, and politics.
@CivilWarMan that reminds me of the madness here in Sweden about how the immigrants are filthy, undisciplined, lazy, rapists and uneducated, BUT at the same time, they are coming to get our jobs, conquest our daughters, treat better our wives and get better salaries. And a long etc. that you cannot wrap your head around.
Felt the same. It's honestly such a boring idea for a story. It's like they want to feel comforted in security so much that they don't want to feel they're ever in real danger, so even their dystopian woke regime it's basically a nothingburger, so what's the point of getting so scared and angry at liberals anyway.
I mean… maybe they assume the enemies lucked out & never encountered any resistance until it was too late?
One of the worst movies I've ever seen 😢
@@lyokianhitchhiker Ah yes, trans people, famously a group of people who have never ever faced any resistance of any kind
I feel bad for the little girl who had to learn pages of dialogue about how she's inferior to boys
funny since she’s easily the best actor in the movie
@@ianianianianian Funny in the most depressing way possible.
I hate being told I'm inherently racist because I'm white
That part really threw me off, like what, are they addressing misogyny in conservative narrative? Are they admitting that there is such a thing as performing a gender? I´m still confused what actually happened there.
@@maxmote23huh? Try to grunt more intelligently please
insane to me that ricky gervais says shit like "don't say that joke was offensive say you found it offensive" like i thought policing language like that was for sensitive snowflakes? how does he not hear that?
It's because he seems to have a complex about feeling or seeming like he is smarter than those around him. And when he is smarter than everyone else the rules he applies to others don't need to function around him
You understand he isn't advocating for you losing your job if you say "it isn't funny" though right?
What?
@@puzzardosalami3443
Are you claiming that conservatives do not wish for their opponents to be deplatformed? Conservatives, the demographic who do not the opposition to have a platform in the first place?
@@danielflanard8274 I'm talking about jobs: teachers, comedians, journalists, actors, artists, who actually lost their jobs because they said something that someone deemed immoral. Conservatives don't get fired people who ten years prior said that God doesn't exist or that they support abortion.
That first guy sounds like he just realized conservatives are way more lucrative to appeal to and he got lost in the sauce
partly, but it also sounds like he got kicked out of his cult for 'being too masculine' (molestation)
@@ulture ... por que?
@@ulturehe did what now?
@@iananderson4754 I did some googling to see if there are any allegations against him, but it looks like @ulture made that up.
@@ulture unless you know something I don’t, sounds like a bit of a stretch. “Too masculine” can mean anything like butting heads with leadership or even just being a general ass no one likes
Amazing that Doug Walker spent the entire Wall review calling Roger Waters whiny for making a concept album/film partly about the physical and emotional abuse he suffered at the hands of his teachers during his childhood when he has complained extensively and earnestly about how awful it was for people to make fun of him as a kid for sharing a first name with a popular children's cartoon character.
Because if he is called whinny about it, he can deny it and say he was playing a character for the sake of comedy. Doug Walker's wall is made of irony.
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@@cleanup8984i’d rather eat my own feces than be a Trump bot 😂
Literally just came here from that video. There's a lot of the same underpinnings between failed conservative comedy and Doug, the broadest being an unwillingness to self-examine or risk for any reason.
Eh, I’m pretty sure he’s mostly joking or playing up a bit when he talks about Doug the show.
"your gender is get a job" and "father I cannot click the book" are the two most boomer statements
Boomer and Gen Xers, they exhaust me with their pathetic unispired attempt at comedy.
I feel like gen x jokes try to be more edgy like My pronouns are f** you or AR 15 but it gives off the same energy
"Father, I cannot click the gender", the ultimate boomer joke, the world is not ready for it yet.
"Sometimes I start to wonder that the real reason they call it artificial intelligence is because of how DUMB it is"
-Dr. Ron Paul
@@zellalaing5439 I’ve never met someone from the baby boomer or gen x generation say these things. I’m pretty sure you’re just projecting your own miserable life onto others.
An absolutely minuscule thing, but when Lady Ballers says that white cishet men aren’t getting hired for acting, the follow-up is Snow White getting cast as a neurodivergent lesbian. Weird segue. Was Snow White supposed to be a cishet white male? Could they not think of a single role that “should” be a white cishet male? They didn’t even take the low-hanging fruit of Snow White being cast as non-white. Which still doesn’t matter because at the core is the fact the script is implying that Disney’s Snow White should be played by a white cishet male. Just fully showing that they’re still mad about Ariel being played by a black woman, even though the casting of Disney Princesses has nothing to with what men get roles because no man was going to get cast as Ariel, no matter how “exotic” his sexuality, so why bring up Disney Princess casting when complaining about what roles white men get?
Just bafflingly bad scripting. Just had to get that out of my system lol
Oh wait, I didn't realize that. You're right lmao.
Damn, Roseanne did not give a damn if you laughed. Those bits felt like she was just venting out her grievances and if you laugh, whoopee good for you, now shut up and keep listening to me tell you how the world is shit.
I feel like that's a lot of conservative "comedy" in a nutshell though. They just vent and grieve about how things are not the way they think they should be. If you happen to agree, you might find it funny, but if not, then it's just awkward. That would explain why other conservatives find conservative "comedy" funny, but anyone else just suffers through something extremely cringey.
Honestly I kinda feel bad for her. The final chapter of her life and career is ending on an evil ideology taking advantage of her declining mental health. We need rehabilitation centers that focus on conservatism and I’m not kidding.
This is my takeaway too, growing up in the 80s she was one of the first female actors who really made me crack up, I loved the original Rosanne show. And like with anyone who (at the time,) brought joy to the world and made it more fun to be a part of, I just wish she had seen continued success, happiness and health.@@rasengdori13
It was pretty depressing, because _no one_ laughed. They might have cheered in agreement with some of it but there was no actual laughing.
@@thylacoleonkennedy7 which is so tragic, because a lot of those similar grievances and jokes (at least those that Bug Joel showed here) might've landed pretty well with a millennial leftist trans-positive audience.
"Your gender is, get a job!" got a real belly laugh outta my jobless nonbinary self
Ricky Gervais shouldn't say "that was irony" he should say "i think that was irony, allegedly" because it's just his opinion
"I found it to be irony."
He sucks so much sometimes when I need a laugh I like to watch that awkward interview where Garry Shandling is super mean to Gervais.
Ricky Gervais isn't beating the fascism allegations.
i don't even understand where he is saying the irony turns, like is his claim 'ahah actually there ARE funny women' because he doesn't like... develop that, or seem to think it
Him actually saying that would be funnier than his actual jokes
That scene at the end of the lady ballers movie is kinda genuinely heartbreaking. It's one thing when conservatives say we're only transitioning to have an excuse to "invade women's spaces" or make tired attack helicopter jokes. It's still awful, but it's easy to ignore since they're just wilfully misunderstanding. But that scene, it's a conservative saying they actually do understand. They hear what trans people say, that the entire point is just to feel happier in our own skins, that transitioning is a sincere expression of our authentic selves, not a lie or a trick for some nefarious purpose. And they still respond with violence. The cruelty really is the point, huh.
Except my understanding is that none of the lady ballers actually transition and have no intent on doing so is the point of the movie. In doing so the characters are leveraging the benefits of adopting the trans label disingenuously.
Honestly if the film was actually made to being a comedic look on gender identity in the American culture and not some right wing vehicle to production team own propaganda, Lady Ballers could have been a surprisingly insightful raunchy satire with a pro trans message.
If only the premise was given to an actual funny comedian who can do justice like Bill Burr and not a bunch of goobers from Daily Wire
I don't think they understand though.
From my experience, the way conservatives often argue is that they may at first genuinely try to reach a connection with you and reason with you. But if they fail to convince you to agree with them, then they reach the conclusion that you're either too stupid, too stubborn, too crazy, or a combination of these things to ever be reasoned with.
But instead of agreeing to disagree and going separate ways if they determine that continuing the discourse is pointless, they instead decide you must be punished. You must be punished for disagreeing with them, for denying objective reality and failing to comprehend (what they believe to be) such plain and simple truth, and for putting them through the frustration of trying to persuade someone who ultimately cannot be persuaded.
Once that happens, they decide you must suffer as a consequence. The degree of this vengeance and the extent to which they decide to lash out against you depends on the specific type of conservative and how radical they are. The less radical ones will just resort to ad hominem attacks and simply mock you where the joke is some variation of calling you stupid, crazy, etc. The more aggressive, unhinged, and/or radical ones get more violent and verbally express their desire for something awful to happen to you (ex. r*pe joke or telling you to unalive yourself), verbally express their desire to assault you, or make active threats against you (ex. death threat).
@@johnwalker1058 So basically like a rival fraternity on Hell Week intending to haze the SHIT out of freshmen who dare pledges at the opposing fraternity just to make sure they failed getting in for shits and giggles.
Maybe I am projecting too much of my experience here. Fucking Sigmas.
@@SurmaSampo But that woman in the scene where she is punched in the balls was sincerely expressing gender dysphoria so no.
That whole Rosanne Barr section was just a little bit haunting honestly. It has me wondering what mistakes I'll make when I get older, who I might end up hurting or failing out of a lack of understanding.
You make mistakes in the present. Everyone does. Don’t forget forgiveness
I think a lot of ppl would be shocked how much anti-vaccine and pro-trump sentiment is popular with more new age spiritual types or even racial minorities. I think a lot of it comes from anti-establishment sentiment that sometimes outweighs any left/right allegiance.
Yeah as Black folks we can’t align with party politics or even popular movements because of the history of usury, so our politicization journey is usually unconventional. As for new age, a lot of it has always been tied to fascist thought. Ideas about Jungian psychology, laying false claim to indigenous practices, beliefs rooted in non-materialism, it’s all messy. I think there was more of an overlap with new agers and progressives in the 60s and 70s than now.
Even racial minorities?!
(Gasp)
@@Randomjackass135 that's super interesting, did you read books about this? I want to learn more, if you have any recs
I remember me and my dad were watching home alone 2 when I was a kid. He told me that rob schneider is half Filipino. As far as I know my dad is a democrat and supports vaccinations. Can’t belive that guy is a grifter and part of my community. I wonder what the conservatives reaction when they find out he’s half Filipino.
An anti-establishment bias, combined with poor education, definitely is the gateway to conspiratorial thinking and with it the acceptance of authoritarianism. A black lady tried to talk me into voting for Trump because Abraham Lincoln was secretly black(because he's facing a different way on money) and "they" changed the statue of liberty from brown to green because black people are brown.
With a poor education, you don't know how things, like... work. You don't know what humanity actually knows, nobody's explained shit to you and you're probably unaware of how we know anything. The idea that 'scientists' and 'experts' aren't just people who know stuff, but rather cynical mouthpieces for manipulators working behind the scenes, is far more plausible to you if you've never met any of them before and spoke to them as a peer. You have giant gaps in your understanding that people can step in and fill with nonsense that you don't realize is nonsense cause you don't know anything about the topic! 5G causing covid? You don't know what 5G is and sure as shit don't know how viruses function so hey, that makes sense. Climate change denial? You don't know what the carbon cycle is, so why couldn't things like we're seeing now just be normal ways that the earth changes?
Add in historical examples of top down oppression and scientific misconduct, and you've got a stew going. Why wouldn't the whole world work to cover up a fake pandemic? Doctors deliberately let black men get sick with syphilis so they could study its progression. The difference in scale, scope, and the fact that people were preeeetty upset about it gets lost in the strength of the story and inditement of institutions.
Besides the fact that Doug tried to compare naziism to "cancel culture", the shittiest part about that stupid The Wall parody is that Roger Waters, the writer of the original album, lost his father to WW2.
Did the guy even know The Wall was originally an album? He even calls one of the songs "oscar bait" 🙄
EDIT: Also worth noting, Doug mocks Waters in the "review" because a part of The Wall is about the bullying he went through at school, both from students and teachers, saying he should "grow a pair." Keep in mind, school in the '50s and '60s were sure as hell not like they were in the '80s and '90s.
It's not even just that he lost his father, the Wall is largely autobiographical, even if not in an entirely literal sense. It's Waters sharing his most personal experiences, laying himself bear because that's the only way he can find to get across his message, and he genuinely feels his message is so important it's worth it.
And that message, of course, is that his father laid down his life and ruined their family for fascism, and now Waters can't even say the sacrifice was maybe worth it because he's seeing the world fall back into it.
Waters went "I am terrified for us all" and Doug told him to, quote, "grow a pair".
@trianglemoebius Well put. The guy even tries to call the review "a love letter to Pink Floyd". Yet he treats it like a dead rat left on his doorstep.
I get why some people dislike The Wall. But man, that "review" was disrespectful as hell, and it felt like he purposefully misunderstood the point.
Folding Ideas video on that whole thing is great
I first saw The Wall when I was 12, and even I could see, and understand, the subtext. And it genuinely moved me, I'd say it was one of those movies that changed my life (or it at least gave me a new appreciation for history that I still have today). Doug Walker is a tool.
He couldn't even tell the difference between primary school and high school. The bar is below the frost line.
I feel like so much of the comedic framing of these jokes is "You're so mad. i'm not mad. here's my 90 minute bit about how not mad I am, i have a lot to say about how totally not mad I am"
Also afraid, definitely not afraid of the world changing around them and the people no longer being satisfied with being forced into very specific societal standards and expectations.
this is it, this is the energy
@@spOOkytimesit’s because they’re being forced into strict societal boxes and new norms that are antithetical to their lived experience. That’s why it should be live and let live. The irony is staggering, but that’s reality.😂
@@andrewlaco1776 i mean people in the 1960s were pretty mad when black people were allowed to attend white schools and be in white spaces because it was antithetical to their lived experience (feeling superior to another race). people having to confront that other people exist is a good thing, and the generations who are mad about it will eventually die and everyone else will normalize to it. so it goes, so it goes
@@andrewlaco1776 Some awfully pretentious talk from somebody who can’t even manage to properly center their profile picture :^)
it’s actually so upsetting that we live in a world where “jeremy boring and the daily wire” is the name of a group of shitty unfunny transphobes and not the name of the worlds greatest indie math rock trio
similarly, “ladyballers” should’ve been the name of a sick riot punk band frontmanned by a socioanarchist butch lesbian from outer atlanta. ben shapiro has ruined our timeline
you both cooked and ate with both of these comments fr
my last name is boring. please don't disgrace my family's name by spelling jeremy boreing's last name the same way, we don't want him thinking he's invited to the family reunion
@@tuwuesday god im so sorry. this will never happen again. i would never wish something like that on you.
@@strawberrysoupiii4801 thanks, i couldn't take all that stress before
My understanding of conservative comedy has always been that they don't need to tell a joke, because as far as they know, the joke is just the existence of things they don't like. They can just say "oh how about TRANS PEOPLE, AM I RIGHT?" and get a big laugh from their audience because trans people existing is the joke to them. There's no need to muddle the issue by adding in any level of creativity, they just point at people they find inherently humorous and laugh at them.
So literal middle school bullying? Wonder how Ricky would make that sound more intelligent 😅
It's the same group who make compilations of disabled people and mock them for being "cringe". They laugh because they have zero comprehension and clinging to the beliefs you were raised with is much less painful than admitting you've been wrong for any portion of your life.
One thing that makes a lot of Conservative Comedy hard is how do you parody that which is already extreme
Some people GENUINELY believe you can change your gender, race, and even species….where do you go from there? The “I’m a toaster” joke from high school?
What about abortion? You can’t really get more extreme than murder can you…
The list goes on
It’s also why Conservatives find it funny when they are the ones called “extreme”
You’re right. The joke itself is how the left is SO extreme everything they do is something that people from a decade ago parodied as being ridiculous
And now it’s gotten to the point that how could anything get more extreme?
@@gabrielsalahi3656Only a con could consider knowing the definition of words and basic science facts as extreme views. Other extreme views the left has: 2+2=4! World is round! Forest Fires are not started by space lasers! Vaccines are safe and effective. Oh the horrors of their extremism!
That's a really good point
A friend I grew up with got into reiki, angels, energy, crystals. Nothing wrong with that. Hell, in my teenage years I'd mess with that stuff. But suddenly, during COVID she started with mild conspiracy theories surrounding the pandemic.
About mid summer, I posted something on FB in support of George Floyd. She attacked me and called me a "baby killer", alluding to me being pro-choice. Which I am, but not sure what that had to do with George Floyd.
30 years of friendship and I'm just scratching my head.
It's the fact that you expressed an opinion typically not held by people who are forced birthers. Typically, someone against abortion will also tend to be intersectionally bigoted - I'm not saying your friend was, but if she's getting her info from COVID conspiracy types, then she probably learned that "Someone on George Floyd's side = probably a soft liberal = probably believes in a bunch of other left-wing stuff like abortion"
It probably has to do with the fact George Floyd once robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint and specifically threatened to kill her and her baby if she tried to resist.
Yeah once someone buys into that rhetoric it can go downhill pretty fast. Good luck to your friend
It takes one search query for the social media algorhythms to get to work..
Its so whack to grow up learning and understanding medicine, physics, ect. You learn about the history of diseases, why we vaccinate, ect and realize that so many people have had their brains fall out of their skulls.
The most annoying thing about Lady Ballers is that any college women’s basketball team would smoke them. None of those guys look in particularly good shape and like half of them are well under 6 foot.
Yeah well the movie isn't exactly interested in celebrating women's sports, despite supposedly defending it
@@YadonTheCat its just like the real arguments. Thr conservatives who "care deeply" for the sake of womens sports are usually misogynists who couldn't give less of a shite. It's just an excuse to shit on trans people "acceptably".
They couldn't even be a good towel boy for any women's basketball team.
Isnt that kind of the point though. They are specifically meant just to compete against women's basketball teams. I find it hard to believe thst untrained unfit men could defeat a professional women's basketball team, but the entire point of the movie is that they don't have to compete against male basketball teams
@@user-vg9dl2hp6iA college team would still smoke them in reality. You don't get to participate in a college team without showing promise. Those guys? They didn't just show no promise, they were absolutely unfit for the sport they were supposedly participating in.
neurodivergent lesbian snow white sounds pretty hype tbh
the funniest part is that barely anything will change with it. yeah man i can imagine being abused by your step mom makes you neurodivergent, and she just gets a princess instead of a prince
@@coatimundi69 I don't think that's how neurodivergence works, but otherwise well said
@@myddle2073 ohhh is mental illness (particularly trauma based disorders for snow white) not considered a neurodivergency? or is that word reserved for birth brain differences? i always forget 😭
@@coatimundi69 wait does trauma fall under neurodivergence? genuine question, i don't know
my apologies, that possibility didn't occur to me, which made me misread your reply
EDIT: okay, I looked into it, and some people say yes, so maybe
@@myddle2073 we were BOTH right!! mystery solved
In the teacher sketch I'm actually kinda shocked at the multiple levels of unintended irony or whatever you can even describe it as, when the teacher sees that their constant ranting and belittling of the kid's parents has made the kid cry and then doubles down on the bullying by saying that their own weakness isn't even the fault of their parents but their own. That's like so many levels of fucked up, I can't even...
The funniest part of that bit was that guy admitting that is powerfantasy is berating a child by speculating what sex acts that kid's parents engage in. Publicly humiliating a child by screaming about sex. Definitely not groomer behavior
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@@sillyspider where MAKING THIS HAPEN
Wow- it’s almost like- that’s the joke
@gabrielsalahi3656 the joke is conservatives are nasty mean assholes who are deeply antisocial?
One of the most infuriatingly ironic things about NC's review of The Wall is how he chides the movie for having childishly obvious metaphors, but then goes on to completely misinterpret what those metaphors meant
The lesson of Doug's... Thing he did regarding The Wall (calling it a "review" feels incorrect) is that while there may not be any invalid interpretation of art, there are certainly bad interpretations.
I genuinely believe that was Doug engaging with the work as best as he could in the space he was in at the time. It just happened to reveal all the most disconnected and childish parts of himself.
True but the wall is still godawful…
@@bingobongo1615 lol
@@Plain--Jane Ultimately, Waters is a reflexive antisemite and Putin ally. In the Wall, he's comparing Thatcherism with Hitlerism to ask if the war was even worth it. As if there can be no justification for *any* conflict and "who really cares about the Holocaust anyway" etc.
@@bingobongo1615 Like all of it? Do you watch "goodbye blue skies" and feel that this part is bad?
Roseanne screaming “We ruined our children’s lives!” to a silent crowd is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen, but I don’t think in the way she intended it.
Pronouns? Never heard of they/them
slow down there jim carrey dont blow an artery thinking of such high intelligence comedic punchlines
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Bazinga! 😂
You could get rid of the "they/" and I think that line would work even better. :D
@IstasPumaNevada wish you would have watched the video about comedy before commenting
a lot of these "comedians" matching up to Will Menaker's adage that the problem with "conservative comedy" is "all their bits involve inventing a premise and then getting way too mad at it to tell a joke"
Holy shit that's good
You mean the Tankie Rich kid from the “Leftist dirtbag” podcast?
This would explain why they love Trump so much. Maybe they figure if they can be just as vapid and incompetent it will make them invincible to criticism. If you're a self-satire, what is there left to satirize?
That's pretty accurate, because even when they tell "jokes" they're pretty much always just stating a concept they find ridiculous and expecting people to laugh at the idea, the concept, rather than making a joke out of it at all. "Aren't pronouns crazy?" "omg gay right?" "Disabled characters and POC on tv so much now!" That's all they've got. No jokes, just bringing up ideas they find weird and laughing in theory. It's kinda like when they fearmonger on the news about things they suspect democrats are doing (that democrats aren't doing at all) but the things sound awesome to us and we're baffled what they're upset about.
Conservative comedy is like Christian rock. Christians can make good rock, but the moment you turn it into a defined genre chasing a Christian audience the message becomes more important than the medium and the music usually sucks. To bring it back to King of the Hill, lets paraphrase Hank: "You're not making conservatism better, you're just making comedy worse".
Leftist commedy is talking about their periods. Why can't the left meme? We may never know.
Anyone who thinks Hannah Gadsby or the comedians in her new special are funny, needs their head checked.
Hank Hill could be pretty based when he wanted to
@@oswaldmosley5012 anyone who uses the word meme as a verb has no right to decide what is and isn't funny
Yes. Its not about removing God or spirituality from music, its about not crowbaring it in to force it to fit.
There's a British radio show called 'Thought For The Day' where they invite on the Bishop Of Bottomley-cum-Hyde to try and force a religious message out of whatever's in the news today. Bands who primarily identify as Christian Rock are that with a soundtrack.
“I’m a- uh- I’m a- uh. IM GAY GET OUT OF HERE”
“Okay sir I’ll go… fuck off then”
Cinematic masterpiece
Release the Gay Steamboat Willie cut
hazbin hotel if it wasn't mid
@@ianhoddinott9492 HWJKLGHRNESKJGNFJDKLSG PLSSSSS
@@cheeseguru1017 it is released tho
I can't wait for Joel to make this into a t-shirt.
The little girl listing off all the things boys are supposedly better at wouldn't really make sense even if she wasn't so progressive. The misogyny is clearly supposed to be funny to the viewer, it's supposed to be something for conservatives to nod along to because it already fits into their belief system. So from the perspective of a little girl who's interested in sports, cars and STEM, why WOULDN'T she want to be a boy?
This scene is effectively sending the message that the misogynistic conservative world view the main character holds sees girls and women as inferior and makes them want to be trans because being a woman just sucks. It unintentionally points out the inherent hypocrisy of conservative beliefs.
In the progressive world view that the little girl is supposed to represent, trans people aren't trans because being a woman is somehow worse and she could confidently pursue her interests despite being a girl. But I guess that would make it too obvious that progressive views are actually good for people and lead to better outcomes. They had to make her seem like her progressive views were hurting her somehow. So they chose this either hoping the viewers wouldn't pick up on the incongruity or because the writers themselves don't understand how illogical that scene is.
Thumbs up for referring to Doug Walker as "Dog Walker" so subtly and breezing over it so quickly that I genuinely cannot tell if it was intentional or not.
honestly... Doug is a stupid name in itself..
Its what Homer says when he messes something up
I caught that too and I loved it
literally sounds the same to my ears
@@johnynoway9127this is funnier than it has any right to be.
@@johnynoway9127 It isn't his fault that his parents decided to name him Douglas.
Conservative comedy isn't just conservative politically. It's conservative in the sense that they keep reusing the same few jokes and never move past them or get creative.
OOUGH! thats a good one.
They aren't known for their ability to think outside the box.
Your comment just proves the same about you lol
How does it do that?@@harrywrinklesach2057
@@harrywrinklesach2057 What does conservative 'comedy' consist of other than 'hur hur hur! people look funny and are stupid!'
My favourite fact about lady ballers is that the original idea was to make a documentary where a bunch of conservative influencers make a real life basketball team and then join a women’s league to show how easy it is for men to fake being trans to win in women’s sports. But then they found out that they’d all have to take HRT for a year before they could play in the women’s league and understandably they couldn’t find any men willing to do that. Ben Shapiro literally tells this story in an interview as if it doesn’t undermine the entire conservative trans sport talking point and the movie they ended up making
@Unknown no, the point of the doc was to show men are faking being trans to join women teams. But they found no men willing to do it.
@@UnknowntyperOk but you see how the thing you and Ben Shapiro are suggesting is the natural outcome is a future hypothetical that can not be proved because he was literally unable to find a group of men willing to go through the necessary condition to prove it and the thing Joel and the original poster are saying is based on the reality of that failed experiment right? If you're that concerned about fairness divide all sports by these natural advantages you say ALL men have instead of by gender and you should still get the exact same result you and Ben want (men and women will all be naturally separated into the appropriate groups with no overlap) and you'll even shut up all the critiques by proving your point.
@@Unknowntyperok I keep seeing people say this, but where’s the evidence? Why aren’t all women’s sports dominated by trans women?
@@Unknowntyper hrt doesn't involve drugs at all. Hormones aren't classified as drugs 😂😂😂
@@maybelater1464 maybe they think any sort of medicine/vitamin/consumable is drugs? like those vitamin supplements you take? drugs. proteins in your food? drugs, just like crack. the calcium in that milk you just drank? straight up methamphetamine.
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As someone who has lived on Maui my entire life, who grew up in Lahaina, knowing that my *childhood home* was one of the properties claimed by the blaze... it is fucking despicable that he, and people like him, are using what happened here as a weapon in their petty culture war, likely to completely forget we're even a state until he goes on vacation here, like most mainlanders.
I remember being 4 years old, accidentally setting off our dad's car alarm with my brother, parked next to the harbor where people drowned running from the fire, and where a diesel fuel tank exploded because of the heat.
I remember going to the park using the same road that was obstructed by severed power lines, preventing residents from fleeing by car.
Spinning this stupid convoluted web about the malicious use of a space laser so they could build on top of historic Lahaina Town's remains distracts from what *should* be talked about: that the local government knew the Lahaina area was at high wildfire risk, *YEARS IN ADVANCE,* and took no measures to prevent it for budgetary concerns.
That the Maui Fire Department essentially pulled the "we have found ourselves guilty of no wrongdoing after a thorough investigation of ourselves" card, despite claiming the fire was under control mere hours before it spread to the neighborhoods.
That some "entrepreneurs" are taking advantage of the sudden scarcity of real estate by offering spare rooms for rent at inflated price tags, and that fundraising fraud was on everyone's lips in the months following.
What a fucking disgrace.
i’m sincerely so sorry that you were put through such a traumatic event all bc of the authorities dangerous, profit-driven, reckless and gross negligence. i hope you and your loved ones are recovering your lives to the best of your ability. *wishing you all good health, fortune and especially justice* 💗
damn. that.. is awful. its easy to forget the actual human lives youre talking about when discussing conspiracy theories. i hope youre doing well now.
The funny part about Lady Ballers is that a lot of their transphobic jokes just rounds around to just being sexist against cis women lmao
nothing new there, most transphobia boils down to misogyny
That's why conservative comedy isn't funny - it just attacks minorities and vulnerable people, always punching down, trying to make us believe that rich white men are the victims. No authenticity.
69th like :)
Transphobia and sexism are closely related. They believe that men and women are different on the most basic level. That's why men can't "become" women. Even if a trans woman never went through male puberty thanks to blockers, even if she was on hormons since 18 - she would always be male
After all if they admitted that men and women are not so different from each other then their sexist views would be irrational
Men just hate women in general for not naturally liking being enslaved.
It's kind of heartbreaking seeing Roseanne up on that stage, ranting about nothing at all as she tried to justify and understand her suffering while hundreds watch in silence. She's not there to tell jokes, she's there out of desperation and isolation, someone used to the spotlight having it taken from her with nowhere to go. No one to blame, because if she lets herself come out of this bubble, she'd have to look back on herself and her own mistakes and take accountability.
And then you have all the countless grifters who stand idly by and let this happen. They watch as this woman's mental state degrades, her sentences slur, her words making less and less sense, and just letting it happen so she can make them money.
The modern conservative movement is a parasite. It latches onto the unwell, the disillusioned, the ignorant, and sucks all the life and joy from them until they're a babbling husk.
"The modern conservative movement is a parasite. It latches onto the unwell, the disillusioned, the ignorant, and sucks all the life and joy from them until they're a babbling husk."
thats no different from the modern liberal movement. Do you see any liberal politicians preaching to the rich? No, theyre speaking to poor people, immigrants, people without higher education. it convinces them that its working for them when its really just working for itself. this is what politicians do, there are no sides, there are no parties. weve had 3 liberal presidencies in the past 4, do you see much joy in the country?
Yeah it really reads more like a speech at a right-wing rally than a stand-up special. You get the sense that even the crowd was like "wtf is going on"
Rosanne, and J.K. Rowling, illustrate why conservatism is such a trap: It's not just that it gives people permission to be their worst selves. It's that it threatens them with massive injury to their self-image if they stop following the conservative movement.
Because if you have a heart, and you have to acknowledge that you've done massive harm to people, then how can you live with yourself after that point?
@@katherineberger6329you sound like an insane person. jk rohwling isnt even conservative. and isnt this just a perfect example of the way the media has warped peoples minds. jk rowhling has a long history of supporting liberal causes and opposing conservative ones but because you disagree with her opinion on trans people youve decided to completely dismiss all of her other views and make a gross generalization of her. and people wonder why polarity is such a problem. it doesnt take much time to look up her political views on wikipedia
@@katherineberger6329 one can start by actively helping people as best they can, but remaining a petulant asshole is way easier than all that
I think Rosanne encapsulates how the pandemic broke some people. Turning off all your distractions like going out to work, dinner, movies, etc and instead being forced to make your own fun. Depending on how old you were in 2020, your entire view of the world has been revealed as a facade. You can see her trying to reason with how she got there and eventually turns it into a joke to force some laughter. Reminds me of my cousin who went off the deep end the first two weeks of the pandemic because he got laid off and now had a bunch of time to fill. Your entire life is now up in the air and people are saying to just suck it up. Hard pill to swallow. If we had better safety nets, I'm sure the pandemic wouldn't have been so contentious.
In a way, I wish they would have made people face it more. I think the worst lies the media ACTUALLY told was to keep the bodies off the TV. I think if people could come see the deaths, see the corpses, it might have clicked in a better way. Instead they were coddled and told they were being taken care of. They were treated like kids and that usually always backfires.
@@AuspexAOthey probably wouldn't have believed it. I live in Chicago about 3 miles from a cemetery. The constant stream of funeral processions (up to 5 a day) really made it real despite me being privileged enough to work remotely and be able to find my own fun. If you lived in a small town like my hometown you would think it didn't exist. I went back the first summer and it was a madhouse. Then a couple of months later it wss a ghost town. Covid ripped through the town and while people still didn't wear masks, they weren't as arrogant as they were in the beginning.
Yeah this pandemic has irrevocably broken so many people. On the one hand, this break sort of needed to happen at some point. Change can’t happen unless enough people see the system for what it is. But on the other hand.. in true American and British fashion, instead of doing anything to address the crisis we are facing, the cliff we are currently peering over, the conservatives are either giving up and becoming even more antisocial, knuckling on the status quo even harder, or going absolutely insane with far right politics, as if that’s what’s going to make things better. Meanwhile, corporations are running full speed trying to suck out all possible wealth from everyday people and we the people are walking around with untreated PTSD from this dramatic societal upset. I can only liken it to the purges that occurred in Soviet Union and China-this sense of uncertainty for the future, threat to one’s safety, and great disconnection with fellow citizens. We are a nation of individuals even more isolated and cut off from each other than before the pandemic. Even so called liberals and more progressive types are opting to “worry about me and only me”. Lack of involvement is just as damaging to community as actively trying to destroy it. It’s no way to live.
IDK I feel like the pandemic wasn't really as deep as it people like to say it was. It was just a culmination of bad things happening for a long time before that, but they just all dumped on the world at one time. It would have kept going without the novel corona virus, just a little more gradual.
@@talynhastime9343in the end we are all ether broken or none of us are, people have forever been deeply interconnected and America has spent most of it's existence firing on all cylinders to create as many broken people and systems as possible
I feel bad that they made a little girl say that men are better at everything. It is so fucking sad and very bad parenting
You think that's going to permanently mess her up?
@@anonymouslucario285 definitely doesnt do any favors
She will be ok. lol
It sounds like the kind of thing you never think about until you’re an adult and you look back and think “oh… that was strangely fucked up. Why did the adults tell me that.”
Re: Ladyballers, that scene with protagonist and his daughter highlights the absurd reality of misogyny that would exist if shapiro and ilk had their way. Imagine having that talk with your daughter and earnestly telling them how second class they are?
That’s just conservative fathers? Like many girls who lived underneath these guys have had that talk before.
fucking exactly what i was thinking
@@WaspinmymindI honestly don’t think that all conservative fathers tell or even think that women are ‘second class’. If they tell their daughters that physically they can’t compare I don’t really see an issue with that. They are going to find out over time and it’s better if your parents tell you. But ig it’s all about wording.
@@Shoegaze- I mean that scene did also say that women were worse drivers and worse in pretty much every STEM field, so yeah, just second class.
@@Console.Log01 I don’t know what you mean by “scene” but I’m pretty sure women being worse drivers is a joke and shouldn’t really be taken seriously lol. With the stem thing men from what I’m aware do better in those fields on average. Doesn’t mean women can’t excel but the idea that men and women’s brains are the exact same is really silly.
It really feels like Lady Ballers wanted to have the "Some people are actually trans but we still shouldn't let them play sports" arc with the Alex character but they knew that their audience wouldn't go for that slightly more reasonable position so they just cut that arc short with a literal punch to the balls. "Nobody is actually Trans they are faking it or they just to listen to Jordan Peterson more" has to be the moral of the story because the modern right won't accept anything less.
Cody's Showdy did a great breakdown about how there are no real character arcs.
The main character's whole thing is "winning at any cost" but then he forefeits the final game...that he was already losing like 0-49, but by putting in his kids he completely sidesteps actually losing as he is cheered for that...for some reason.
Guy comes out as trans, gets punched in the balls and told to go back into the closet.
Main character's daughter says she wants to be a boy because boys are better at everything. Main character...basically agrees with her but they put emotional music and pan over to the girl's mother looking like he is saying something sweet and emotional when he is really just saying "boys are better at everything except raising a family, which is what girls should do."
Exactly what I thought of the movie. If this movie hadn't been made by conservatives, Alex's arc could have gone very differently
I'm glad to see some crossover between Big Joel and Little Joel with the inclusion of the Gay Mickey video. Perhaps this really is the Medium-sized Joel we've all been searching for?
Do you get it? It's because Joel has one channel called "Big Joel" and another called "Little Joel"
So when I say "Medium Joel", I indicate that there is a third one in-between these two
An added layer of humour is slathered on considering that this video is about comedy, thus enhancing the enjoyment one can find through analysing the context of this drawn-out joke
These size-based quips are what conservative comedians can only WISH they could achieve
I'm sure you greatly appreciate these comments. Don't you, Joel?
The irony of Ricky Gervais complaining about people not phrasing their opinions the way he wants (“You have to say ‘I found that joke offensive,’ not ‘that joke was offensive’!”) while refusing to refer to people by their preferred pronouns is peak.
The part where the girl was saying how all the boys are better is funny because it exposes the contradictions in conservative ideology. The conservative father doesn't want his daughter to be a boy, but then the daughter explains she wants to be a boy because of conservative beliefs about women.
I was thinking something similar
reminds me of TERFs saying "trans men only want to transition to escape misogyny!!" nd then proceeding to be the most misogynistic group of mostly-women you could possibly imagine
It's not enough that they succeed. Others must fail for them to be satisfied.
Also, as a FtM, many cisgender men are genuinely defensive af about what they see as 'just for men'. They think me being in a men's restroom is emasculating for them.
I used to think I was transgender before I realized I was more so just insecure about what society told me "being a woman" was when I was a kid. I didn't want to be a girl I didn't feel like a girl because I knew I didnt want to be treated the way I saw girls and women portrayed in the media I had as a kid.
@@bumblehoney7206 Gender Euphoria is critical to realising if you're trans or not if you're AFAB. It would have been impossible for me to figure out I'm FtM without having had played male characters in stories and video games, and feeling very joyous to be treated as masculine. Wanting to be a man and wanting to stop experiencing misogyny can be so hard to differentiate from each other even when you have both feelings.
I'm years on HRT and honestly envy women in some ways. There's so, so many things about femininity and womanhood that's worth admiring and celebrating.
Finally someone points out the Nostalgia Critic pause. I dont know how hes been doing that for 15 years so consistently but it's such an awkward, uncomfortable pace for no reason whatsoever.
It takes a moment to imagine an audience raucously laughing & clapping, bc you imagined yourself on Letterman for decades.
I've been bringing that up for almost as long... always bothered me.
Didn't he or one of his friends assault someone? Of course he's a piece of shit.
That's just what happens when you hate video editing and you make yourself edit anyway. You set your out point once, and you never go back to refine it.
Now I'm thinking back to moments like when he rages wordlessly about the Onceler's characterisation, switches to calmly saying he doesn't care for it, then exhales while staring at the camera. Was the last part ever meant to be part of the bit?
My favorite conservative "joke" about trans people is the claim that "we can always tell". Meaning "we can always tell when someone is transgender".
At my most recent physical, my doctor's nurse asked me if I wanted my doctor to do my pap smear or wait for my gynecologist to do it. I said that I was a trans woman so I didn't need that, to which she said "OH! Sorry it says on your chart I should have looked". I said it was fine. She then walked out of the room and closed the door, and I could hear her say to another nurse "Well, that was embarrassing."
I was also asked by another nurse when my last period was in the pre-op room. For my vaginoplasty.
So if conservatives think that the "we can always tell" joke is funny, I fail to see the actual joke, since the claim is flat out not true.
Yo props for passing so well that you surprise medical professionals lol that's awesome
They gaslight themselves into believing that. And once a girl admits to being trans or someone else points it out to them, they will go “Ah, I knew it!“ the same way horoscope crazies go when someone says they are **insert random horoscope sign here** when actually these people couldn’t be more clueless.
It's a little bit creepy how they try to always "tell" when a person is trans. Like, why does that matter so much to them? They're bunch of creeps. Since they realize it's not fun to go after gay people anymore, they go after trans, mostly trans women. Trash human beings will always exist
coping and delusional as always, 99% of people can tell
I remember the one week freak out from transphobes accusing Henry Cavill of being trans. Fucking hilarious.
One of the most on the nose lyrics in "America, fuck yeah!" is when they're listing all "american" things and they say "slavery". It's an incredible powerful and unequivocal notion part of the song, cause you really believe that it's satirical, cause nobody who's not a total piece of shit would list slavery as one of the greatest defining ideas about America. So you KNOW they're being sarcastic, they must, right? When the 25th South Park anniversary concert happened, they sang the song. Guess what line of the original song was not sang in the concert? That's right: slavery. Making it an undeniably pro-America song instead of the sharp critique of America that the original song entailed.
And people still have the audacity to jump down my throat when I say south park bad
Barr faltering when she says "they killed my ch- (character?), they killed her. They killed Rosanne." It was clearly a moment of hurt for her, with the sitcom character being valued enough to warrant a "her" and saying she was "killed" like she was a real person to her. It's a genuine emotional moment and it comes with so much defeat and loss, but the rest of the program is just anger and vitriol. Maybe she wanted to learn, maybe she wanted to do better, but clearly not enough to actually fix things. Instead she now spreads her feelings of being bitter and sad. And I feel like so many of them were close to a breakthrough but then fell into the wrong cycle. (Ironically, like the person in Ladyballers who might be trans and has an option of a personal breakthrough, but then ends up in the "care" of Peterson, who will probably not make things better.)
It would be sad if these people weren't so adamant about it being "funny".
I think she was going to say “they killed my child”. Rosanne was her project baby so to speak. I can imagine having that shut down must really hurt especially if you were the one really fighting to get that off the ground to begin with. Too bad her racist outburst got the better of her.
Heck, depending on the particular brand of "conservative comedy" I've seen, it either seems to be venting vitriol and anger at a world that they no longer feel as powerful in or grifting ideas that they don't truly believe on a personal level themselves but feel alright with propagating because there's an audience that wants that and they can easily exploit.
I don't know Barr. I'm not familiar with her career and I don't have a personal stake in her work. All I know is what I got from this video - that she's a bit of both of the categories I've outlined but also much more genuine feeling, somehow. And that did make me sad. Not in a haughty kind of way. Like, I kinda felt like giving her a hug, idk. Maybe it's not too late, Barr. You don't have to be defined by this even if it's painfully difficult to move on. The beliefs by which you stood, the mistakes you've made - they don't have to be you as you are now.
I guess it's also because I'm projecting myself onto her in that. I very much used to be defined by such mistakes myself. It's upsetting.
It wasn't specifically mentioned in the video, but Rosanne has multiple personality disorder. It wouldn't be surprising if she felt the TV show character was one of her personalities, hence the real pain.
The worst thing about conservative 'comedy' is how heavy handed it is. The 'jokes' are always over-explained, hamfisted trash, obvious and spelled out to 'trigger the libs' who aren't even watching such trash to begin with.
Big Joel remembers Lady Ballers so we don't have to.
they’re never even new over-explained hamfisted trash, it’s the same shit theyve been saying for 30 years now over and over again. Especially transphobes, they truly have One Joke.
that's just political "humor" in general, they're often worried you'll miss 0.1% of their message so they beat you over the head with it with all the tact and subtlety of a toddler cramming a square box through a round hole on their toy with the grown up hammer they grabbed out of the closet when you werent looking.
This is an interesting take since it's been one of the main criticisms I've heard of "liberal jokes" for nearly a decade now. How it just over explains itself with hamfisted trash clearly just pushing an agenda to people who don't watch that type of stuff anyway. The most recent example I can think of is how there were complaints in the new Doctor Who being too "liberal" with the revised David Tennant being mocked for being a man now compared to superior female predecessor (who was given terrible scripts and therefore had a bad run), used gender on an alien and had to apologise after being told by his new female sidekick who he then congratulates for correcting him on his improper gender, and changed the race of Isaac Newton with the Doctor talking about how attractive Isaac Newton looked and made a point of whether or not he's gay now. None of these points ever progress the plot or characters after that point and they're not really entertaining either so it just sticks out like a nail in a pillowcase.
Maybe it's more accurate to say that BAD comedy over explains itself with hamfisted trash for a non-existent audience, and the political alignment of the people making it just codes it in specific jokes. Statistically there's always going to be bad comedy writers on both sides of the political spectrum and statistically speaking there will be those that laugh at comedy regardless of quality if it aligns with their views. Framing the quality of a single piece of writing or media as a reflection of the ideologies behind it is a reductive view.
It's like a mirror with "Lady Ballers" where the movie depicts an hyperbolic idea to conservatives of what all liberals do just as it also makes a hyperbolic idea to liberals of what all conservatives believe despite it being a movie that I've heard no one talk about outside of this video. Sorry for the long reply.
@@BrickBreakerXX i think that's just a hallmark with most political "humor". It's not universally terrible but 90% of the time it's hamfisted.
I work in a very conservative industry in a company full of conservatives but live in an area that's overwhelmingly liberal and when it comes to social media i spend a lot of time on more left leaning sites like imgur and reddit. I see a lot of the same, sometimes nearly identical memes and jokes used by both groups and i always find it hilarious because they'll admit the jokes are heavy handed when its the other side making the same joke but happily join the circlejerk when the "humor" aligns with their biases. Like I've seen a million jokes, memes, and pictures all making it seem like Biden wears diapers and liberals will say those jokes are in bad taste, they're purile and immature, that he's not so old he needs diapers and the pictures arent conclusive, and that even if he does wear diapers that it's a medical thing and you shouldnt mock people for medical issues they cant control... then those some people will show pictures of Trump that make it look like he wears diapers and mock him for it while the Trump fans jump to his defense using the same exact claims.
Political humor is hard to do well but people are often willing to overlook terrible quality so long as it aligns with their biases. Between that and many people writing political humor being afraid that you might miss their message, not get the joke, or misunderstand their point that they decide t make it as obvious as possible by beating you over the head with it.
@@arthas640 I think what frustrates me about conservative 'comedies' like Lady Ballers here is that *the jokes are not even jokes.* To call this movie hamfisted would be a compliment. The intent of Lady Ballers wasn't to trigger any leftists, since they wouldn't be watching it outside of reviews like this. Rather it strokes its own choir's collective knob via a cavalcade of conservative culture-war talking points poorly disguised as jokes. It's low-grade conservative copium. The people who watch this film in earnest already think trans people are freaks who are after their kids. There are bad kinds of political humor of all shades. The other dude mentioned Doctor Who. I don't count woke pandering by massive corporations as 'political humor' but that's just me.
Here’s the supreme irony of “The Office”: Ricky Gervais’ character on the original show, David Brent, was based on a clueless boss he once had. Tim (Martin Freeman) - the “Jim” of the original series - was based on Ricky Gervais himself. You can see it in the way he bullies Gareth (the original Dwight). He treats Gareth the same way Gervais treated Karl Pilkington on his podcast and on “An Idiot Abroad”. I’m not saying that Gervais was once a Jim who somehow turned into a Michael Scott. I’m saying that he always WAS a Michael Scott who saw himself as a Jim.
You could probably also make the argument (he said, making the argument) that while Michael Scott is shitty, Jim is shitty in a different way. Unfortunately that is very close to bothsidesism.
@@Patrick-Phelan I wouldn't say so. That would imply that Jim and Michael are opposites, or even enemies. The truth is, they're a lot alike. Hell, there's that one episode where one of the employees calls Jim "Michael" by mistake for trying to implement a terrible birthday idea; one that Michael himself once tried, as well!
It's not both sidesism when they're both on the same side.
his early failed attempt at being famous through his New Wave band screams of michael scott
Michael Scott also sees himself as a Jim. And Jim himself is more similar to Michael than he would want to admit. The only real difference is Michael is higher in the workplace hierarchy, so he a) is socially alienated from his coworkers by virtue of being above them, and b) has free reign to bully anyone he likes.
Jim also bullies Dwight, often to get Pam’s approval, and he can get away with it because Dwight is clearly below him socially. If he was in Michael’s position, he would probably be a much shittier person.
This is all to say, Ricky might have explicitly based Tim on himself and David on his ex-boss, but he put himself into both characters. We have seen his persona move closer to David Brent as he has become more powerful and alienated, but he was always both.
Finding Karl Pilkington was one of the only great things Ricky Gervais did. And even then, the podcast still had multiple moments where Stephen Merchant literally has to tell Ricky to shut up and let Karl speak.
Gervais's bit about not wanting people to say, "That's offensive," is so stupid. Saying, "I found that offensive," is no different than saying, "That offended me." If it offends someone (even one person), it has caused offense, which means that it is offensive. He's just talking in circles to make a point that isn't there, so that he can feel smart. But it's not smart. It's very, very stupid.
So what if it offends someone you can find a reason to get offended by anything if you try
@alejandro9829 I'm not making a case for or against being offensive. If your point was the point he was trying to convey, then he should have just said that. Instead, he was just trying to sound smart by saying nothing.
What are you talking about...
I think being offended is good but I think there should perhaps be an implied limit on how annoying you can be about it, and I think satirizing the offended folks is the perfect place to start 🤔
I think the statement “that’s offensive” is presented as an objective fact, which is actually different to “that offended me” which is presented as a subjective opinion. It can actually be more persuasive to present an argument as an opinion / less certain, as it presents a discussion that is more open, and thus more inviting to opposing views.
The idea that a new age cultist would become a conservative is unsurprising, the underlying beliefs of many of those communities is like a circular vinn diagram. Like those 2 groups hang out together all the time
A lot of people exchanged evangelical Christianity with new age essential oil crap. Or they do both at the same time!
I've definitely had friends who've taken that path. From new-age hippies to QAnon conservatives.
@@SlowMoebiusa lot of hippies had a “reject modern medicine” mindset. It’s not too hard to imagine this spiraling into anti vaccine conspiracies when left unchecked.
New age hippies tend to be very superstitious and "anti-establishment", and because of this are susceptible to Conservative thinking. They have a lot in common with evangelicals Christians, even the Atheist ones.
I live on an island full of these people. They were always into weird conspiracy theories, and years of watching Alex Jones had primed them into believing in anything after Trump got elected.
The stupid part is that these guys in my area aren't even American, but all they talk about is in reference to American politics 😅
@@fart63 Yep, absolutely. It's the old maxim of their minds being so open that their brain fell out.
The Nazi scene in The Wall is as vague as a bat to the face. This is another example of how some people need a literal sign behind the fascist with red arrow saying “this is an ultranationalist right wing fascist not to be confused with anyone else”.
EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A FASCIST!!
I always think of a joke in the Rifftrax to Starship Troopers, after Neil Patrick Harris walks in wearing what is clearly modeled on an SS uniform: "For those of you still not getting it, the rest of Neil Patrick Harris' lines will be in German"
@@meredit931 The government in Starship Troopers does literally nothing to align themselves with Nazis and the director was a political midwit so Neil Patrick Harris is wearing a leather coat because...uh...umm...fascism!
@@meredit931but Verhoeven is extremely shit at satire, didn't fully read the source material then proceeded to make a movie with an almost utopic society that cares for the people lol, literally the only "fascist" things that appear on the movie are the uniforms, as if Verhoeven was like "hurhur, look see, they're totally fascists right ? Even though they have a totally democratic government who admits their mistakes and that any citizen can vote as long as they devote two years of their time to work for the interests of the people, who consequently are under attack by an intergalactic hive mind of insects bent on human annihilation, how fascist of them right ?"
I think Doug understands that the character is a fascist, he just wanted to completely change the message of the scene for his awful parody.
I'm so glad you brought up Team America, because the whole ideology of that movie is so fucking weird. Trey and Matt are like "we think this thing is bad, but also you're dumb for whining about it." Honestly a lot of South Park episodes were like that too.
Stone and Parker peaked with Baseketball. The 'both sides are / caring about things is stupid' schtick gets real tedious real quick
South Park hated you caring about anything even thinks they think is bad. Which is one of the most baffling political stances one can take.
@@sirisaacnewtonstan "anything even thinks they think is bad" is that what you actually meant to say?
I see it as people in Hollywood thinking themselves as really important people since we pay attention to them. Hell, the guy who recruits Gary even acts like actors are great and powerful.
Yeah, I really liked that section of the video because even from when I first saw Team America I thought it was super weird in that regard. They dedicated at least equal or probably more time to making fun of celebrities speaking out about likely war crimes than they did the crimes themselves, to the point of making Alec Baldwin the central villain. The film also briefly portrayed Hans Blix as a bumbling buffoon when he in fact turned out to be entirely correct that Iraq did not WMD or WMD capability. I think the fact that it's a goofy puppet comedy stopped people from critically examining and realising it was pretty reactionary. Though to his credit, I think Australian film critic David Stratton noticed this at the time commenting "I think George Bush would actually quite enjoy this move if it wasn't for all the sex and swearing".
i feel so terrible for the little girl who plays Winnie in lady ballers. given that she's even in the movie i assume she's being indoctrinated every day at home, but there's something so especially horrifying about how she had to sit there and recite lines about how women are shit at everything.
They are tho. Have you met a smart female before?
@@Truekingr6 Incel spotted 🤣🤣
Lady Ballers was a rare gem of a movie where the entire cast and crew are actually the butt of the joke, without realizing it in the slightest. Glorious ignorance
Unfortunately that joke is also just really painful to watch......
Perfect description
And it didn't even support women, despite conservatives claiming to be pro-womens sports with their anti-trans agenda.
@@Sonichero151Especially with how bad the acting is.
Though that adds to the hilarity if you know anything about the people who made it and are in it.
The vast majority of the people at the Daily Wire are people who failed to get into Hollywood or washed out of it.
I find it way more fascinating that they started off with the premise of “we’re going to show these transes” but instead the overwhelming misogyny took over and they ended up mostly shitting on women and women’s sport.
Miami native here. Sea level is definitely rising. It’s literally why every time there is a storm the flooding has been absurd the last few years.
I think that people like him feel that somewhere deep inside they know they're full of it so they have to discredit the ways to call m out
Florida is sinking.
@@SCHMALLZZZ literally the area I grew up in won’t exist by the time I’m old.
How do I know you're not in the pocket of big Poisidian,?
Oh, you are clearly in the pocked of Big fish, trying to make me sell my house to Aquaman.
Those clips from Roseanne's special affirms my belief that conservative comedians are just mad. They are too mad to tell a proper joke and they really just want to vent about what annoys them.
Ohhh but she was sad too haha, that one did some damage
@@Mulcam29 I agree, although I think the video makes a compelling case that she didn't say a lot besides like an authentic bellow of pain
@@0meAcat1 No, Rosanne did nothing wrong is what I'm saying.
@@Mulcam29Considering her flip to a raging right-wing bigot, that's debatable.
@@Mulcam29she didnt say anything wrong like a racist old grandma didnt say anything wrong
JP Sears sounds like a store name
It really does
"when i left California i realized there was a lot of propaganda".... Proceeds to push conservative propaganda unironically.
A lot of propaganda like “treat other people with respect”. The absolute horror
@@lunarumbreon7699
You subhuman chimps don't respect anyone.
YA
YOU DO THAT
Dipshiticus Maximus
"But now I'm awake"
... I thought they hated woke people?
As long as you can see how both sides lie to us to push their agenda goals against the constitution and will of the people. There’s a reason the grift works so well. The little truth to it creates confirmation bias, but there is SOME truth. I miss real conservative values, not the BS culture war.
An Hbomberguy/Contrapoints-sized video like this should go on a channel called "Ginormous Joel."
Little Joel for 5 minutes or less.
Medium Joel for 5-15 minutes.
Big Joel for 15 - 30 minutes.
Huge Joel for 30 minutes to an hour.
Ginormous Joel for more than an hour.
alternatively the feederism progression of Joel
Jail
Excessive Joel
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Verbose joel
When he said he measured the sea levels, I thought he was going for a joke about the sea levels chaging rapidly thogh the day, like a joke about the tides. And, I thought, "oh thats not a bad joke", then he didn't even raise to that level of cleverness.
Because he doesn't trust his new audience to know that the tides change during the day.
@@juanjuri6127 That would require believing that the Moon revolves around the Earth, which would require believing that the Earth is round.
that actually is really clever
same
@@holycow818181 "Tide comes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that."
I would like to say that I really like that they had Winnie include swimming in the "what boys are better at" category, considering long distance swimming is a sport that is legitimately dominated by women. Like, top women beat top men in that one consistently
In that Ben Shapiro Lady Ballers cameo, he’s clearly wearing a yarmulke. They’re just shoe horning an openly jewish character in to make the movie more diverse. It’s just another example of the woke mob trying to influence our media.
I blame Jews
thatsthejoke.jpg ffs
@@allmycarsisbroke you may be right, but I have my doubts. Shapiro wears his yarmulke pretty faithfully on camera, and he’s very openly against anti-semitism. I can’t imagine him allowing them to make his jewishness a punch line about forced diversity.
@@allmycarsisbroke Doubt it, they could see the irony if it hit them in the face
@@sammarrese-wheeler3308 Well no, he loves conservative anti-Semitism.
Ladyballers also seems to have the issue of the format naturally being an underdog sports movie, but they can't actually show them losing to any of the ladies, not even for a bit, thus having to bend the plot into something else.
it CAN work, Shaolin Soccer exists. you just have to actually know how to write jokes instead of being a bizarre transphobic propaganda film about your waking nightmare of a "woke" society come true whose entire punchline is "haha man dress up as woman funny"
I think that they could have made the movie (a little bit) funnier.
If it were say the only fully cis-woman team in a basketball league. It could be a good underdog story, while still being conservative even.
They could even still have the cast of Ladyballers they actually used as the final boss or something
Yeah, they claim in the movie that men are better at everything anyways so narratively it clashes with the underdog sports movie cliché. Just purely bad writing. The part where the lady claims women's sports were made to keep men out is so stupid I had to pause the video. The beliefs of the creators are antithetical to reality and storytelling as a medium.
Yeah I had been thinking of this as well. Like yeah, they claim it's a comedy movie, not a sports movie, but it seems to be a sports movie with a patina of comedy?
The fact that the military LOVED Team America when it came out is strong evidence for what you're saying. We literally sang the songs as run cadence. We fucking loved that movie.
Yea...they loved the satire? I don't think that's evidence for his point. Like, people have always understood the movie. I'm not sure Joel does, though.
A whole lot of people watched the Colbert Report because they thought it was an actual news source.
Satire is entertaining as fact, to those it satirizes but take it at face value.
@@jacksobrooks Joel absolutely doesn't understand it. Dude just looks like he needs some sunlight and to take a break from smoking too much weed
So true @@homemadeluty3590
@@homemadeluty3590 I think he understands it better than a lot of people actually. You see "haha funny" but ignore the shift to justifying everything and as he pointed out its not even the first time they've done it.
I love how they say that men are better drivers when statistically, men get in way more car collisions
Right-wingers don’t consider that as the measure of a good driver. Their measure is how fast you drive and not much else.
@@greenred6200😭 essentially their driving is bad therefore they cant measure how others drive man that dhit is ironic
"You can't wake people who are pretending to be asleep" is such a hard line and I can't believe Roseanne Barr said it.
More like Roseanne Bars amirite?
She was extremely progressive before the brain worms got her.
The thing I took away from the clips is that she's still "got it", but she's in a very bad place mentally and has lost the perspective to turn her wit into effective and well targeted jokes
The part where the little girl said she want to be a boy really threw me off. Like, are they addressing misogyny in conservative narrative? Are they admitting that there is such a thing as performing a gender? I´m still confused what actually happened there.
It's not hard to understand. They're playing it straight (no pun intended). Men are better than women in every conceivable way and one of the many ways that trans people are destroying American society is by allowing women to access corridors of power and influence that they have no damned right to be in. At the end of the day, the reason people care about gender at all is because we organize SO much of our lives around it. Trans people are a microscopic slice of our population, but they're enough to get people panicked about what would happen if men and women stopped having separate lives, separate powers, and separate access.
I think they're trying to do the whole "genders have roles" thing, and say "Well, women are for cooking, cleaning, taking care of kids, and men are good at everything else, so stay in your lane and you'll be happy."
They seem to completely miss how that attitude is exactly what causes people to feel at odds with their assigned gender though 😅
No they just went
"Women are made to serve men, because they are inferior" and made a little girl say that boys are better at everything that matters in society.
Isn't that just a heartwarming message....
@@GeneralTaco155555a yeah they seem to be trying to act like white knights who are sticking it to trans women who are destroying women's sports while also saying women doing sports is a waste of time that could be better spent in the kitchen.
They’re also deliberately ignoring historical examples like Ba Trieu and the Soviet women in ww2
Apparently there's a whole brand of spiritual, middle-aged men who's political journey is basically "so much for the tolerant left". After that point, it's a straight line to recommending Matt Walsh documentaries and Bruce Gilley's books. Learned this in uni.
There's a specific kind that came around due to the pandemic. Hyper individual wellness-types, who started getting very irritated at the idea they need to make sacrifices for other people who "weren't trying" as hard as them to be healthy. Think Pete Evans. Naomi Klein's new book has a good section about this.
@@fehzorz There were 'always' right wing hippies with healthfood businesses promoting Eugenicist UFO Cults. American Religion is just too splintered and nonconformist to assume that the small business weirdos that keep up Republican support from Reagan onwards are all Evangelical hardliners. If anything the grown of a unified Evangelicalism absorbing the smaller nonconformist denominations is downstream of the Reagan coalition and not the natural state of American religious conservatism.
Stranger in a Strange Land was written by a right wing libertarian and was one of the defining books of the free love era. L Ron Hubbard was a commited anticommunist as was Von Daniken who promoted the ancient aliens stuff for Americans.
The Left Wing Hippie stereotype was the invention of Right wing propaganda not an accurate generalisation of a movement.
And they're often the ones that get REALLY insane cause they were already believing in out-there stuff.
I think this is a part of a larger growing movement that is, from the view of those in it at least, conservativism as counterculture. Spiritual wellness new age stuff has been around for long enough now that for a certain generation, mainly Gen X/Boomers, that culture is mainstream. And when fueled by a victim complex, a feeling that those people are making the world worse somehow, it leads to the belief that being conservative, having traditional values, is rebellious, is countering mainstream culture. This is reflected in the world they created for Ladyballers, one where characters like the bug-eating hippie are supposed to represent the mainstream culture, and the main character and his band of fake trans women are meant to be the brave rebels defying that culture.
@@chuckbatman5 Parts of American conservatism are inherently counter cultural because of American settlement patterns.
American Evangelicalism is a fusion of sects that would be called 'nonconformist' in Europe and spread over small towns in America during the 1800s Manifest Destiny period.
During the Second Great Awakening Christian denominations became heavily split among class lines with the political elites favouring Episcopalianism/Anglicanism which then influenced the Muscular Christianity of the Ivy League Schools and became known as 'mainline protestantism'.
'Conservative' was not a term of popular self-identification in the USA until it was popularised by William F Buckley, a Catholic whose experience of descrimination at Yale under Episcopalian teachers became the model for the 'Liberal Campuses hate conservatives' Myth.
A hallmark of extremist nonconformist Christianity is considering Catholics and Episcopalians to not be 'true Christians'. So called 'Christian' media like Christian Films and Rock Music use this definition of Christianity. So in spite of the USA having always been a majority Christian country so called 'Christian culture' has never mean 'mainstream culture' and has always been a 'counter culture'.
In the 80s 'mainline' Protestantism started declining while 'Evangelicalism' started aborbing nonconformist movements via megachurches, flipping the USA's traditional denominational demographics so that Evangelicals are now the biggest one.
The concept of 'coastal elites' used by American conservatives is a direct descendent of the antagonism between Evangelicalism and 'Mainline' protestantism. Convervative Evangelicals just have a lot of inherited narratives that don't make sense because the whole point of conservatism is being reluctuant to update narratives to match facts.
There’s a couple of reasons he could have changed in my perspective:
1. A distrust of medical authority is often times popular in the new age spirituality movement. During the COVID-19 pandemic, this distrust was used by the Trump administration to bolsters his ratings and to minimize the pandemic. Many new age spiritualists started realizing they had more in common to conservatives than they thought and likely were absorbed into the anti-intellectualism of conservative America.
2. He had a major personal crisis in which he felt disatisfied with new age spiritualist community. This lead to him seeking out a community through which he discovered conspiracy theorist conservatism.
3. He is just not that bright. Often times it is frowned upon to insult the intelligence of people who don’t “agree” with your views. However, it has to be said that the general lack of critical thinking exhibited by far right conservatives can sometimes be a result of a lack of intelligence, education, or life experience.
4. He is an influencer first most, meaning there is a possibility he simply cares about viewership of his channel because that is what gives him money. With the explosion of anti-establishment conservative conspiracy popularity during the pandemic, he sought an even larger more consistent audience, despite him himself maybe not believing the things he says.
It could also be a mixture of some or all of these as well.
its wild how much happier pre-awakened jp seems
It is wild isn't it.
Recovering Paranoid Schizophrenic, here. I’s like you’re trying to fill a hole in the ground, and you’re very particular about what goes in it because the hole is also very specifically shaped.
You want just the pieces that fit, and everything thing else just gets tossed out. And what you’re actually left with is both a landfill, and a dump.
Modern conservatism isn't happy, so of course he's upset. It's insecure, embittered, grievance driven and conspiratorial. To be a modern conservative is to see a massive international force that hides itself and makes everyone around you become weak and perverted. To feel like that same force is pushing you out of society, forcing people to shun you, cause issues for you legally, make your old friends dislike you and institutions to lie to you. The world is a bunch of weak liars who hate you for being strong, but those same weak liars control everything, looming over your every move and taking away everything you hold dear.
It's a miserable way to think. It's why they crave validation and see people being assholes in public as power fantasies, they want to lash out at a world they're convinced is set up against them.
@@Mrnotpib This is a very good metaphor. Consider me impressed.
@@Mrnotpib that's a tough one to deal with, good luck on your journey
Crazy thing is, notice how conservative comedians tend to resent when you call them conservatives
I think it's because they want to be seen as transgressive, and when you call them conservative it tells them that they're beliefs are closer to their parents rather than anything actually transgressive.
It's a compliment to call them comedians
@@Gorbgorbenson the word “trans” is in “transgressive” so they probably hate being called that too
@rasengdori13 I was going to comment on that, but probably. Progressive wouldnt work either. Maybe they just dont want to be called anything.
Its because in their minds the things they say aren't "conservative" they're just "normal" and all of the other comedians are just radical left wing libs.
They like to call it “speaking truth to power” … and yet they are so goddamn terrified of actually saying any of those actual alleged truths out loud.
We dont want "those people" in our country. Which "those people?" Oh, uhh you know the ones.
“truth to power” rapidly becomes “will to power,” unfortunately
that phrase has its origins in quaker activism, and it has a much longer history of use among progressives than conservatives
They're also very much the ones in power. A bunch of rich white guys think they are the victims and Big Woke are the oppressors because they sometimes get criticized for viciously bullying vulnerable minorities. Many conservatives unironically think that white men are oppressed because they live life in a bubble and only engage with an idpol obsessed echo chamber.