Trail Damage! Classic GMC Takes On New Trail Boss Off-Road | Taming Tumbleweed Ep.15
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In this episode of Taming Tumbleweed, Tommy takes a new Chevy Silverado Trail Boss on our difficult pond off-road course, matching up against David in his old GMC 2500 truck.
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I’m not first but I am one of many that love the Taming Tumbleweed Ranch series of videos!
Idk man I really enjoyed the premier of the ranch and then the making of. The course is cool thou. I wanna see progression on the new
Building and what they are gonna do with the existing buildings.
Something about watching the older trucks go thru the track makes it more interesting...Trail boss is nice....but iv got more appreciation for David's trucks.. Awesome video
Same
Trail Poser
Goes to show what a little momentum and I don’t care if it gets scratched attitude will do.
this Chevy ad backfired lol. Just made more lovers of OBS trucks 😄 Hopefully one day they'll go back and just perfect the Squarebody with a re-run.
You guys should get David a nice set of tires for his hard work on the Ranch
David seems to prefer his nice Michelins...
Those Michelins are some of the best tires out there.
He’s got a brand new set of Michelins lol.
@@tarheel4wd I wish they’d make a more aggressive looking truck tire.
@@Ornelas11B Same here. Other than the Military tires 😅. They say go to BFG for the off-road tires which is part of Michelin. The Defender LTX is one of the best everyday tire out there.
GM OBS trucks are universally loved by everyone who owned them. Aside from the interior plastic, they were perfect. Extended cab, short bed, with a 454 is a nice find David. Especially under 200k miles.
Mines just shy of 200k sad to see the day.
Yup, love my 1995 chevy K1500 ECSB. It went through years of neglect from the previous owner but never broke down! It's only up from here (160,000 miles)
That's not the trail boss, that's the trail intern. Lol. Thanks for putting the effort into these and taking the risk.
LMFAO I see what you did there... Well played, sir🤣
A Rebel, F-150 and Toyota are all worse with their approach/departure angles. This truck does it better than all of them.
@@wint_62 At least my Rebel has a steel skid plate up front and not a plastic valence.
@@wint_62 electronic rear locker…. that is all…
@@wint_62 ... Plastic
The trail helps you by removing any unnecessary parts.
LMFAO
Lol
Straight up I wish I could just take off all the fascia that ruins my angles on my car, stupid manufacturers made them huge panels and include sensors, etc. to ruin my plans tho
🤣🤣
Weight savings and self clearancing all in one.
Would love video on manufacturer relationships, maybe it could be on TFLTalks. Talk more about what has happened in the past with trail damage on loaner vehicles? Great episode at Tumbleweed showing these vehicle limitations!
That camera work when David asks Tommy why trucks are so much higher now was perfect! It made it look like David was asking Tommy as though it was his idea lol
Another great video, guys!
You guys need to buy David some off-road tyres to use. Having one vehicle with road tyres and one with AT’s gives one vehicle an advantage. Yea I know David said there brand new tyres but they’re not off-road.
On second thoughts give that trail boss a massive trimming. Get rid of those plastic bumpers front and back. Replace it with decent off-road bars so you can actually do something with it.
Michelin Defenders though
I think David is more concerned with highway performance... That said, maybe get a spare set of wheels with some good BFG KM02s to keep at the ranch and swap on when he's running the course. As for the Trail Boss, new aftermarket steel bumpers would be my first modification for sure. Probably for most buyers though, they'll never take their $70K truck anywhere near a trail...
@@AndrewAMartin yea that's why I said " You guys need to buy David some off-road tyres."
I agree with you. Most buyer's will never use it for what it's built for. Seems to be that way with most 4x4 vehicle's though. People buy them because they want a certain look and resale value. So they won't take it where it might get scratched.
You must not be American otherwise you would have spelled it tires.
@@ColeSpolaric yep. If i get tyre marks when I tire out I shouldn’t of fallen asleep on the road.
The no-nonsense David and his truck(s) rock! Make more videos like this tfl!
David is right. That 3L motor in his truck would be sweet set up.
Lol, I love the guys in the chat trying to tell a farmer what tires to use on his truck. I'm pretty sure he knows better than you :D We just saw those Michelins do just as good (if not better) than those Wranglers, they ride way better and will last twice as long
Badging a truck "Trail Boss" should make it trail worthy despite the fact that most of these trucks will be used for roads only. If you go off-road with relatively mild conditions, and you tear the bumper off - even if it's just the facia, you have a road truck, not a trail truck.
Mall Boss
I see them everywhere by me they never go off road...
People are fake wannabes...
For future reference get a Gladiator or Power Wagon. Wranglers work too lol.
@@Zanderthelab but people need something trail RELIABLE those Chryslers will leave you stranded!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@philllsxga.7737 that’s not Chrysler anymore. Daimler was gone years ago. Those Hemi’s last forever too lol
Dried blood on his arm and keeps on keeping on, go David!
Common occurrence in farming/ranching. Half the time, you don't even know you're bleeding somewhere until you happen to see it.
@@Kcducttaper1 I know, I work on a ranch and an atv repair shop. Most of the staff would have been calling an ambulance for a bruise.
David's 30 year old truck makes it look easy!
Don't you guys have a relationship with BFG? I'd love to see David's truck running KO2s or KM3s on the Ranch.
I’m partial to BFG’s myself, but I was impressed by how well David’s truck did with those Michelin’s.
I am loving watching the old versus new with David and Tommy. Their personalties work great together. The only thing needed is more aggressive tires on davids trucks.
The 3.0 diesel in the ZR2 would be a great truck
LOVE FOR DAVID HE MAKES THE VIDEOS 💯 BETTER 🔥🔥🔥
I learned how to drive in a 91 GMC Sierra SLE 4x4 that looked almost identical to that beast. I miss that old thing.
David's short bed 3/4 ton 454 is such a cool configuration. Love the simplicty. I am impressed by those Michelin Defenders off road given they are an all-season tire. I've been running Michelin LTX tires for over 20 years for a reason, but I stick to the street. I bet David's truck wouldn't need to winch out of that one spot had it had a little more aggressive tire.
Good stuff y'all!
Are you replying to this or is it a scam
Here’s a comparison.
Measure the amount of glass in the cab.
The old truck has a great greenhouse! Lots of glass!
Old truck for the win!
There are two reasons truck front ends are so big now, and I agree they are getting out of hand.
1) Looks, this is what people want for some reason.
2) It helps them score higher on "pedestrian crash ratings", those bigger front ends spread out impact energy if you were to hit a pedestrian and in theory will do less damage to the person.
Then call it a “pedestrian damage boss” not a “trail boss” am I right
Although they look cool, they need to get rid of the so called power dome on the hood. Also, with the hood up on these new trucks, it looks like you'd need a small step ladder to reach the dip stick, etc.
And cooling too. These new trucks are rated for much higher towing weight than before, gotta keep them cool when adding the extra loads.
Hitting another car, sure. But if you're going over like 20 mph, the size of the front end doesn't really matter if you hit a person. 7,000 lbs going fast is going to obliterate the meat sack, regardless of how it's shaped.
@@backwoodstherapy Look it up, bigger grills help pedestrians survive more impacts. The irony is Trucks are more likely to hit a pedestrian then a car because of the poor sight lines from the cab and hood, lol
I'm not going to lie when David's truck got out of the last obstacle and climbed up the "mountain" at the end it made me think of the old Like a Rock commercials from Chevy back in the 90's lol
"Trail manager,"Lol! That one got me
Definitely my favorite series and channel to watch 🤟🏻🤟🏻
Same! It's cool to see various vehicles on these obstacles.
I actually love that you guys have a really hard off road course. No other reviewers have this. And, I also get that the truck itself is apparently quite capable off road… but the front end design shows a flaw for this type of off roading. I have a 2021 Custom Trailboss 6.2 and the forest off roading in northern Wisconsin mirrors this type of trail. My lack of fog lights on mine and the malleable grey plastic down low has never cracked or shown damage yet. Seems like a aesthetic design problem on the new refresh. Because otherwise I loved how that diesel worked off road.
Amen to that, my dad and I have a 40acre swamp plot in Forest Co, about 20 miles east of Eagle River. This trail boss would never cross our property the way my dad's old Cheyenne did back in the day. Hell, he can't take his current RST Z71 to the back of the property, he has to use a tractor or utv now, it drags since it only has 8 inches of clearance and ridiculously long wheelbase. Modern trucks are not designed for it.
Truck king have similar .
I would love to run the Tumbleweed course. It seems like the ultimate test in just about any REAL WORLD scenario. TFL, I know Tumbleweed Ranch is private property but maybe charge a vehicle $12 to run the course? I’m joking 😂
Maybe they should designate a day every 3-6 months where regular people come out and try their courses. TFL could either charge a small fee to run it, or limit how many people can run it in a day and turn what was filmed into a video. I bet people would jump at the opportunity. With all that mud TFL is gonna have to put David's mule to work quite often I'm sure. Or TFL will have to get another one of their own work-designed side by sides so they don't break David's.
Modern day midsize trucks are basically the size of older full-size trucks. It's crazy how big the 1/2 tons are now lol
Damn that course made the trailboss look useless! David’s GMC showed it who the real “Boss” is today.
Was all driver. That Trail Boss is more than capable.
@@johnr5001exactly that woman doesn’t know how to drive at all 💀
A large part of a vehicle’s off road capability is how little you care about it. That goes for anything- trucks, SUVs, a Suzuki Swift, etc.
Exactly, my buddies and I had an s10 blazer we beat the crap out of, because we didn't care. I would not dream of taking modern $50k-80k plus "off road" trucks (Tacoma trd, etc) where it went, until 10 years from now if I am 2nd or 3rd owner.
One of the things I really love about the GMT400 trucks is the maneuverability, particularly with the short bed. They're pretty narrow compared to the newer models. The GMT800s weren't bad, either. GM trucks started getting too bulky starting with the GMT900 platform.
These videos just make me want to start a series of off-road vids taking random things thru the pasture
This video really makes me appreciate the proportions of the GMT 400. Just about perfect for full size truck, nothing bigger is necessary. I've often thought that new trucks really do have a very tall hood and have a lot of space from the bottom of the bumper to the top of the hood, and this is a great illustration of that.
Are you replying or is this a scam
@@benh1356 That's a scam. On pretty much every channel I follow, there's a bunch of replies similar to that about inboxing somebody.
David is completely right about new trucks today. I cant stand how big the front ends and beds have gottten. I had a '77 Chevy shortbox in high school and loved that thing!
I love these new vs old trucks vids. What I really like is this really sells the value of a kinetic tow rope over static. A flippin' lightweight SxS pulling out a full-size truck out of mud is a perfect display. So much harder and less safe with a static strap. I switched to kinetic with my Jeep because I'm often pulling much heavier rigs out of snowy/muddy ditches.
Just landed a 2023 Trail Boss LT with the 3.0L diesel, standard bed, very well equipped. Mine has 7 camera views that provide great awareness over your truck's proximity to surrounding objects. The front tires view and front grille camera save you from jumping in and out of your truck to check front clearance. There's also an overhead view that's great for checking your alignment in a parking space, because the truck's height and long wheelbase make it hard to pull in straight. The torque and sweet sound of the diesel makes it worth the extra cost.
David really is a man of integrity, as he has taken a few of his own vehicles down the courses he built. He puts his own property, where his work and mouth are, so to speak.
You know, out of all the classics we see go through here, the one I'd like to see tackle David's new course, Case's Dodge Cummins, lol.
I wanna see the trail boss versus the tremor versus the ram rebel ! As for me I'm not a gm fan at all but David's truck is fast more capable then the trail boss. I'd say a leveling kit better off road tires, and that would be able to conquer those trails
What a joke GM has become
Well, you’ve convinced me to get an old GMT 400.
im buying one this week for 750CAD a 89 C1500 silverado. 5L tbi auto. will be slow but its a turn key project. hard to let it pass!
GMT 400 and GMT 800 you can't go wrong. If off roading and it's not Z71 just upgrade it with right lift, suspension, and tires. Will last way longer than the crap GM makes today.
David is do old school... he got all the 90's gm 4x4 trucks supplies at his house!
The GMT400 was my first truck and I loved seeing it out on the trail. Not Z71, not using mud tires and it still did really well
The Trail Boss needs a redesign on the front to keep from tearing up off road. 61 grand for a truck and probably $ 500 bucks worth of damage for the plastic piece and the chrome exhaust extension...Not for me!
You stick with your Ford or Ram 😂 enjoy those recalls and failing engines.
@@wint_62 Clearly you've damaged your trailboss and now you're bitter 😁
@@wint_62 I'll stick with my '22 Ram Rebel, thank you! I have had quite a few Dodge/Ram trucks over the last 52 years and NEVER had a major repair on any of them. I have always maintained my vehicles and found them to be very reliable. Other than the usual stuff as they age, i.e. alternators, radiators,hoses, plugs, wires, the usual stuff.
@@wint_62 wait till the ticking starts…. BOOM
@@wint_62 ….clearly you have confidence issues buddy
That's a really nice Z71 MALL BOSS AKA MALL CRAWLER a off road Truck that is excellent on the pavement. So you should do a new series pavement needed 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Way to go Dave and that awesome old school truck kicked butt. Tommy, I’m glad I don’t have to be the one to GM about the Trail Boss damage. It isn’t as bad as all that though. GM I think understands when you give out 4X4’s to test there is a chance of damage. The damage cause with your real world test isn’t that bad at all. Great job by the camera man, you and Dave.
GMC makes the best trucks .. hands down
That trail boss is anything but…. More of a pavement Princess 😂
Trail Poser
Awesome comparison of the two trucks. Have a soft spot for GM trucks from the 90s. The new look of the Trail Boss I love.
Be ready cool if as a option to put together a special off-road package to throw in the front and rear bumpers from the ZR2 for both the LT and Custom Trail Boss.
Keep up the good work, TFL.
This Christmas you guys should get David a set of steel wheels with some BFGs mounted, that he can use as "play" wheels when he's at Tumbleweed Ranch. That way he can run his street oriented Michelins that he's so fond of, but have a more even playing field when at the ranch. (Edited for typos)
The 454 GMT400 is my favorite pickup of all time. Therefore, David is my favorite human of all time. These videos are awesome! Keep it up! - Everett
I hope that GM will consider this free R&D instead of complaining about trail damage :D
The trail boss needs a steel skid plate under the bumper like the ZR2. The Rebel has one and so does the Tremer. Not to mention the Rebel and the Tremer have an actual electronic rear locker and again the Trailboss doesn't! Oh and they are on 33s! Weak! Come on GM you need to do better!
They do have a steep skidd plate under the front bumper
Great video. Well done 👍
I know for sure my new Trail Boss will never be driven off road. For me it’s just a truck that inspires confidence over the highway and some Eastern Kentucky back roads in any season: sun, sleet, rain, snow and pot holes. Overall, I am so far very pleased by the truck’s feel.
Tommy, fyi that range rover was from Driven Hard. "Someone" Disrespectful if you ask me. It was a great test of the course, and a great guy. Putting his expensive rig up for the beating. Once again brat Tommy sours a great thing. Lovely
The front skid plate setup on the Trail Boss is perplexing to say the least.
I love that all Davids trucks have NRA membership stickers.
Great video guys! The course is HARD and this video shows that once again
Are you replying or is this a scam
@@benh1356 that inbox thing is a SCAM for sure.
All hail the GMT400
Incredible I can’t believe I never noticed that the bumper was so low!
I love how David's older vehicle does just as well as this new "off road" truck.
I love that old 454.
That little duramax sounds awesome id love to get one of those and put some real bumpers on it
I've got the same Sierra (but with skid plates and all the Z71 stuff). I was going to get rid of it because I got a new 4runner, but now I'm thinking it's a keeper. Those knock-proof metal parts come in handy.
Maybe you guys need a recovery tracks sponsor!!
another great run on the tumbleweed trail. did you guys run the ram rebel yet? would love to see that in an upcoming episode. I just got a 2022 Echo-diesel rebel. havent had it in the mud yet. keep them coming. love every one. sometimes you just cant beat old school.....lol
I cant get enough of these videos. It just goes to show that you dont need to take out a mortgage on a new vehicle to get you and your family off the pavement.
Ah yes a beloved GM old school 4x4 truck w/o all the plastic garbage vs. the Mall Parking Lot Boss.
With proper all-terrain tires that old truck would do amazing
David need to put mud tires on all of his GM trucks and go back and just Giv’er 😆😆😆🤘👍👌😎.
Then the new trucks wouldnt stand a chance
Trail Supervisor maybe.... This video shows that the ZR2 package is worth every penny if you consider going off pavement in your truck
I really enjoyed this video and the guest!
Older trucks are just awesome, you don’t worry so much about scratches and slight wear or tear. Newer trucks are nice, but more for show in some cases…. I have a new Colorado ZR2, love it…. But miss my old HD that I could take off road and not worry so much about scratching anything….
i respect the tire choice. all his trucks are 2500's and heavy. those tires aired down are seriously capable. safe in light snow and ice too. best highway mpg tire.
Trail princess is what it should be called the way you have to baby it off road
The G80 locker wasn't part of the Z71 package for the 88-98. Z71 got you extra skidplates, Bilsteins and some big ass decals.
I want to see how my rig handles tumbleweed so badly lmao
This is great stuff. Love these videos.
Would love to see a restoration of that cool GMC, or buying a crate Duramax and swapping it in
Why would you ruin a perfectly good gas truck with a crap diesel?
@@dbiker207 yeah if anything a built 454 or something reliable
Tommy I know this goes without saying, but you straight look like your pops now. Almost identical lol 😆 Great vid guys!
David knows Michelin tires give you longest tread wear
I wonder if the bumper from the ZR2 would be a direct fit change over for the TrailBoss?
Usually Tim is on the list to get trucks shortly after TFL. I guess we'll see if GM fixes the trail damage before he gets it or just keeps passing it along to the next journalists.
How about a 50th anniversary Power Wagon on your course? I know they haven't made any significant changes except for some badging, but I would love to see a PW go through it!
In my Bill Lumbergh voice regarding how big trucks have become , If we could get back to making compact trucks again that would be great.
David says smart things.
I Love Sundays! 🌾
You guys sure do love the mud lol.
Trsilbroom…sweeping up all the dirt and mud on the trail
Those big plastic Chevy full size pickup trucks are powerful pavement haulers. Maybe some gravel service roads. Save the rock crawling and steep approach angles for the Jeep Wrangler, Ford Bronco, Toyota Tacoma, Toyota 4 Runner and similar style vehicles. Preferably with at least a mild lift. I got to say that the older 90s and 80s style GM Full Sizes are surprisingly impressive in the rough stuff. I dig the old school full sizes.
Honestly if you're going to do serious off-roading you're going to ditch the front plastic for a steel winch bumper. Like the video regardless. My question is, would you have sacrificed the plastics on the trail boss you had purchased previously?
Manufacturers need to look at this and see where they need improvement, mainly in the ground clearance department
We have to have the Power Wagon take on Tumbleweed beside the ZR2!!!!
I have been enjoying watching y’all comparing these new full-size trucks to David’s older trucks on the at Tumbleweed, but I am curious about if and when y’all are planning on testing out the midsized trucks on the course. Maybe doing a comparison test with the Tacoma, Ranger, Frontier, Gladiator, and Canyon or Colorado over all of the obstacles at Tumbleweed.
They just did the Silverado vs. Colorado test on the course...
1st Place: GMT 400 with Michelin Defender LTX
2nd Place: Trail Equipment Manger- in the rear with the gear. Lol.
I would take David’s truck all day over that trail boss
Y’all need to get some railroad ballast in those wet spots.
This episode verified that old trucks are way more fun than new trucks.
Jeez. Nathan must have had some taco bell recently.