Frank Turek Answers Atheist's 3 Objections to Christianity
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- At UT Dallas, Christian Apologist Frank Turek from CrossExamined.Org has an enlightening exchange with an atheist named Carter. Frank discusses the following objections:
The moral argument is offensive because it says atheists can't be moral!
Why can't the universe be the uncaused first cause?
If we don't believe in God, He will send us to Hell!
#FrankTurek #Christianity #Atheism
The atheist guy is asking genuine questions in a reasonable manner, this is how we should discuss these things. Yelling obscenities and shouting the odds is NOT how it should proceed.
Well unfortunately its like that about 90% of the time. Alot of Atheists have anger issues and has no Respect for others Beliefs. What they dont realise is that they are trying force their beliefs down on people but complain when a Christian is Talking about God to people who really do need him. The Hypocrisy in this world is Real.
@@lionbolt2136 You can't stereotype a belief like that. "A lot of Atheists have anger issues and no respect for others' beliefs." I am an Atheist and a lot of my friends are, we don't have anger issues and we aren't hostile, we are very chill people in fact. Just because we don't believe in something that seems absurd on the surface doesn't make us 'hostile'. If you want us to believe in God give us some real convincing evidence. You say Atheists try to force their beliefs down on people yet Christianity itself does that even more. I don't care what your beliefs are, believe in whatever you want, but when you say I will burn and know nothing but pain and agony for eternity if I don't follow *your* beliefs, that is the definition of forcing your beliefs down on me.
Nightmarex the reason people go to hell is sin, and we sin all the time and break the Ten Commandments. God’s standard is higher than our standard. God hates sin. That’s why He sent His son Jesus down to earth to die for our sins so we wouldn’t have to go to hell to pay for our sins, Jesus already payed for our sin. We can freely receive it or reject it. We can repent and turn from our sin and turn to Jesus or reject the gift of eternal life He has given us, He won’t force us. People sometimes say they want nothing to do with the God of the Bible, and Hell is a place where God is absent, but that also includes His blessings are not in hell either.
@@nightmarex4740 that is the truth of the gospel. It isn't forcing you, it's telling the reality of what we all are facing without Jesus. The reason we preach it to you is:
Romans 10:13-17
[13]for "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
[14]How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
[15]How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!"
[16]However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
[17]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
And
Matthew 28:18-20
[18]And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
[19]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
[20]teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Also it isn't just us saying if you don't believe what we believe you will go to hell, it's God and His word. We are just passing that information on to you.
Revelation 20:11-15
[11]Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
[12]And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
[14]Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
[15]And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
You ask for evidence, it's all around you:
Romans 1:16-23
[16]For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[17]For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "But the righteous man shall live by faith." Unbelief and Its Consequences
[18]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[19]because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
[20]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
[21]For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22]Professing to be wise, they became fools,
[23]and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
We can't force you and we can't convince you. It's the Holy Spirits job to give you life and open your eyes, it's our job to tell you.
Mtec ok but what if we were born and raised Christian knew all of this read the Bible cover to cover and felt “his blessings”, but then realized how the Bible is just words on paper written by man and isn’t solid evidence of god, that the feelings of being blessed can be explained as a placebo effect and that there are numerous contradictions and paradoxes in scripture, but then realize how science is able to explain the world just fine without he use of a god in the equation, and what science doesn’t know it’s always learning more about, whereas religion always insists on the same thing even when outdated and proven wrong. how do you think you’d feel being told again everything you already learned was false? Having people insist they’re telling you because they care and you know they mean it because you used to. And how would you feel knowing that they really believe it but are wasting their time believing a lie that you believed for so long? It’s only a slight bit insulting but mostly it’s painful because we remember how that felt but now we know better. We don’t want to take it away from you because we remember how painful it is to loose that, but we also don’t want to lie to you when we know better. Idk if I’m saying all this right because I want to be both straightforward and understanding but I’m worried it will just come off condescending when it’s not meant as such. Anyways the best way I can equate the issue former Christian atheists feel when having these conversations I would say it’s 1 of 2 things.
1. It feels like a child coming to you asking why Bobby said Santa wasn’t real and having to decide if you should play along or be honest
Or
2. It feels like someone trying to convince you that Santa is real when you’ve already believed and now know better.
One makes us sad and the other feels insulting. But I will always choose truth over ignorance any day.
That Atheist is a good sport. I can't help the urge to acknowledge how polite and genuine he seemed. He didn't totally dismiss the speakers answers and seemed to be able to follow the logic even though he disagreed. This is how a debate between believers and atheists should go. The speaker was also very polite and understanding. Respect for both.
@Brian I don't think we should be arguing on what exactly hell is as Christians. Instead, we should focus on our time here on earth. I think we can all agree hell is someplace we don't want to go but deserve to go to. Thankfully, we have the grace of redemption. Once we have that, we should offer that gift to everyone. Basically, my point is that hell is bad and all of us don't want to end up there. Regardless of what hell is like (burning fire or simply cold, desolate, separating from God), its bad.
@Brian I understand. That is why we have Christian historians, apologists (like me, or I hope to be), theologians, so on. My point is that no matter what hell is really like, it's our job to spread the Gospel, which is free, and attempt to make as many disciples of Christ as we can. I think you know what I mean by that. Now, in the end, it's really up to the person's free will to make that choice, but at the very least we can know we gave them the opportunity.
Yeah, Kevin, it's pleasantly surprising when atheists and leftist actually attempt evidence based argument with real interest in challenging their world view and don't just resort to ridicule and verbal (or physical) violence.
@Brian , how do you explain "the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:44?
@@danielchung4973 I think it's evident that it's important to know about hell. It's in the Bible and all scripture is useful. But I notice seekers object to the punishment as unjust and unloving and I notice people also have a genuine interest. All seekers (and believers) need to know more about supernatural because those concepts are so oppressed in our national cultures these days.
Carter is the type of person who seeks answers, not the kind that rejects God because he wants to sin. A very respectable dude.
You must not have met many atheists then lol we mostly all do genuinely want answers. We follow what we find to be the most logically consistent worldview and we ask questions to figure out which worldview that should be
@@someoneonyoutube8622 have you read Nietzsche?
@@tylerwinter512 have you actually read my comment? Or did you just skim it and latch onto the information that you wanted? Because there’s a few key words in my comment that make the point you seem to be trying to make, entirely irrelevant.
@@xtraspecial4677 I gotcha, I hate when TH-cam flags comments as spam when they’re really just part of an active conversation
@@xtraspecial4677 perhaps the way we find out isn’t empirical but rather logical or perhaps we have yet to discover the proper method
This was one of the most patient and intelligent debates on theology I’ve seen in years. I wish with all my heart that we could do this all throughout society. Just because we have difference of opinion does not mean we need to hate each other. What a beautiful thing. My GOSH does this give me hope for humanity
dont worry humanity will be saved
Except it wasn't a debate..lol
@@firstclass000
Not all humanity will be saved .
And Athiests wont cut it .
Well said, Ian. With sufficient humility to God and confidence in His strength, we invoke the Holy Spirit who can guide us in such conversations.
As Long There are "People" That Believe in The Superstitious Nonsense of RHP Religions! There is NO HOPE FOR HUMANITY.
That kid went from 0 to Christian.
Jokes aside, what a delightfully mature conversation.
There were some mistakes in Franks answeres so I doubt that , he probably just didnt have enough time to give more questions
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Charlie C. For example the fact that the holocaust happened while uncomfortable to acknowledge is evidence that morality is subjective because if there were an objective morality we would be able to prove it and there wouldn’t be so much controversy over different views.
Or the fact that frank claims that to have objective morality you need a god but says nothing to prove which god would have the true right morality
Nothsa Rekcap There isn’t “controversy on different views.” Murder is a no no.
And I think everybody knows Frank means the Christian God. He doesn’t have to explain it in this 9min video, since he would have explained it in the opening remarks. That’s the way all debates work, you start the debate by stating your stance.
As for your second question, Christians believe in the Jew/Christian God. We believe that God is the one that sets morale. And for the rest of that argument just watch this video. You don’t have to worship or believe in the standards set by that God, if you don’t want too. If you don’t want too you can be in complete separation from that God.
David Reyes I wasn’t referring to obvious things everyone agrees on, like murder, I was referring to the morality of the grey areas. Are you saying there’s no grey at all??? Because that would be pretty laughable so I’m going to assume that’s not what you’re saying.
I’m talking about things like if there’s 5 people tied up that are about to get hit by a train and there’s no time to stop the train, you have the ability to switch the tracks but you’d instead hit one person tied up what’s right or wrong then?
Is it better not to act and let 5 people die because of your inaction? But you yourself have not killed you just stood idly by and watched as 5 people died a preventable death that you could have stopped.
Or
Is it better to actually get the blood of one single person on your hands to save the other five?
It’s clear he means the Christian god but once again That’s not my point. My point is regardless of which god he claims provides morality how do the rest of us know which god is the actual source of morality if any? If you’re going to claim a god designs morality the next step is to prove that your god specifically is more moral than the rest without that it’s just your religion’s claim against every other religion’s claims.
And what about the standards set about beating disobedient children to death with stones? Earlier you said something along the lines of murder is wrong period then state that the Jewish/Christian god is the one that establishes morality and killing children? Well that’s something condoned in the Bible rather than condemned sooo...
Coming from a believer, Carter is a really knowledgeable, curious and respectful dude. They’re arguing to find the truth, not to win. I love that!
Yes I love the respect Carter has. It is as if he is trying to figure something out as oppose to try and prove atheism is true
@@arunmoses2197 right? He is open-minded, something that is very important to have when trying to understand something. It’s pretty cool
I mean God doesn’t give everyone a choice there is literally millions of people who die everday and never heard about god. Seems like pure evil to me. Plus Isaiah 45:7
@@CollagenExpert yes, He did create the serpent, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and He gave them a choice.
With the absence of evil, what choice would we have?
God doesn't want unwilling followers, He has done everything possible to encourage us to follow him, but he will not force us to follow him.
@@CollagenExpert Frank’s response is wrong. You are not being punished for not worshipping Christ. You are being punished for your sins. “for the wages of the sin [is] death, and the gift of God [is] life age-during in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 6:23 -
God sent His son to take on the sins of the world, so that if you trust in Him and repent you won’t be punished for your sins. You are not punished for not believing in Christ. Your sins are what condemn you. If you trust in Christ, Christ bears the burden for your sins, if you don’t trust Him you bear the burden for your sins. It is a plea deal, take it or leave it. Bear your sins, or ask Him to bear your sins for you. Accept His free gift or live without it.
Now to avoid dishonesty I will admit that not worshiping Christ is a sin, because the Bible says “`Thou hast no other Gods before Me. `Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which [is] in the heavens above, or which [is] in the earth beneath, or which [is] in the waters under the earth.”
Exodus 20:3-4 -
If you don’t worship Christ, you either worship yourself by believing you are the master of your own destiny not God, or idolizing any one or thing that isn’t God. Those 2 sins do condemn you, but even if God took those out, you will still be judged for your other sins and you would still go to Hell, so accept the plea deal. Repent and trust in Christ.
I have listened to this talk probably 20 times over the years. And here I am again. My prayer is that this young man, Carter has found the answers he was sincerely looking for and is now a Believer.
Why wish that curse upon him?
Why do you think it's a curse
@@ngc-fo5tewhat is cursed about acknowledging a loving and mighty God?
@@InChristIDelight The lying to yourself involved.
@@ngc-fo5te I pray for God to have mercy on you and encounter you. He’s real whether you have faith or not. He loves you. He is giving you time and space to repent; Lord please soften this heart for your glory. May God bless you, go in peace my friend 😊💛
Glad I stumbled upon this video. It spoke to me and gave me great simplified answers for questions that other non-christians and new Christians have. Thank you and God bless you!
Be prepared when those non-christians don't accept arguments such as Turek has submitted here. I certainly don't.
On a side note......I looked at your channel.....and that is a great video of ITZY! They did an amazing job with that song....and actually that whole episode with IU was fun to watch. :-)
It wasn’t an accident. You should read his book.
Dang! If only debates between liberals and conservatives were as cordial as this!
I would guess it's a matter of humility. Winning the debate is not the goal. Finding truth is the goal. But no one wants to just find truth and potentially lose a debate while on camera
@Daniel Your bias is what makes it so difficult for political debates and conversations to be cordial.
@Daniel that's not what we're supposed to be doing
Mason Stahl well in a sense that does happen, in some circumstances, sadly however not enough in the public sphere. A good example of those who are happy to debate is Tim Pool and Glen Beck here on you tube.
And I am sure amongst everyday folks that goes on, on a daily basis.
All that said however, I am only aware of one political party, The Democrats where their Congress men and women, although not a lot, not that it takes a lot. Go on to national television and urge their followers to, “push back, get in their faces, in restaurants, in Gas stations, in stores, in the street! Now that is pushing for anarchy. That is a party that refuses the will of the people because it never went their way.
In addition, because Mrs Clinton never won, she exclaimed on national television, to be uncivil, “we can never be civil with Republicans, until we have ground them down too The Opposition, in other words, currently, The Democratic Party can only act civilised if they win!!!!.
Mason Stahl, when elected leaders are pushing and persuading their followers not to accept the will of the people, and evidentially; they have taken them at their word. You have seen the news, how many Republicans have you learned about getting either doxxed or harassed when out with their families in restaurants for example??
The solution for a calming down of emotions, and entering civilised discourse, will only be found when leaders of the Democratic Party, start by apologising for their public actions, who knows it may even help them in the ballot box !!!
Mason Stahl the problem however is that even though God exist, the truth about him isn’t being taught in these university level debates. Sadly many people have this false idea that God tortures people in a “fiery place of torment called hell” but that’s exactly what the Bible doesn’t teach. That doctrine isn’t only unscriptural but is against the very nature of God which Is love. Sin is what brings death. Death is just a state of nonexistence. Any sin big or small brings forth death to the sinner and not God. Yes God will in due time bring an end to this corrupt world but he’s giving all of us fair warning. It will be a destructing of the incorrigibly wicked. After that they won’t exist in any way or form. Those who survive will not be in Gods presence either. The Bible says that God made this earth for humans to live in since the beginning. Earth was meant to be a paradise for perfect human beings. His purpose has not changed and this offer is for anyone who does not wish to perish either by their own merits or God himself. All he wants is for People to leave their evil ways because sin is what gives birth to death.
I used to be atheist. Then Jesus found me when I called out to Him. Seek and ye shall find.
William Lamperez
Ever tried searching?
No offense but Jesus didn't find you, you found him.
lil chris tuten
Even when I was saved from addiction I doubted. Like any good skeptic, I could only prove the truth if what Jesus said was true. If you can use His name to heal people, then that’s something you can put to the test, correct? If He were really of maximally moral character, then He wouldn’t lie. So I put His words to the test. I prayed over my sister using His name, who couldn’t keep any meal down during pregnancy. From then on she hadn’t vomited once. Just a coincidence, right? Okay, maybe if I pray over my coworker with torn knee muscles, that would be crazy. So I do, and she feels no pain and can walk. Whatever, probably just adrenaline or something naturalistic. It’s not like she believes or anything. My dad’s snapped tendons from breaking both his ankles would truly be a miracle. Alright, he can walk without pain now and it was healed in two weeks. Still, gotta be a coincidence. The ultimate test came when I prayed over my wife. If Jesus could stop her from crying in the closet talking about suicide, and rid her of her bipolar disorder and chronic depression; only then would I believe. She stopped taking her pills after I prayed for her (I told her not to) and usually she begins having withdrawal symptoms after two days. She didn’t throw up once and she was a different person from that point on. It’s been about 8 months since then and my wife hasn’t cried, hasn’t had any suicidal thoughts, and is free of pills and feeling natural emotion for the first time in her life.
Now, I don’t really expect you to believe me. I probably wouldn’t. All I can say is, you’ll never find the truth if you don’t search for it and put it to the test.
@@TheAeoxEternal
Glory be to God, and I thank him for drawing you to him and to salvation.
@@TheAeoxEternal I had the flu one time and after I scratched my ass the flu left my body!... Which proves that scratching your ass is just as good as praying.
Frank, I am a newly found Christian and your videos have been some of the most impactful and informative ones I have seen. I am studying and praying to one day have the composure, understanding and posture that you have when ministering to non believers. I have loved ones I am afraid are so far away from God but know I am not knowledgeable to wear the armor of the word of God. I sincerely mean that I love your work and your persistence. Thank you for the work you have done, praise God and thank Jesus Christ for the light left in our world 🙏
Find me a video from Turek or any major religious American figurehead talking about selling everything they own to become a follower of Jesus. You won't because you can't. There's a good reason why you can't, too.
@@upturnedblousecollar5811 Your comment is confusing. Are you saying you have to sell everything to prove yourself a follower of Jesus?
@@zozebeeit’s literally what Jesus said to do.
@@Glathgrundel Where does it say that? Did the Apostles do that?
The armour of God doesn't come from knowledge but from the Holy Spirit. The more you spend time with God, the more you will learn how to wear the armour of God.
Blessings
Frank is literally on the front line… fighting for souls. Hero 🙏🏻👍
@@michaelb9027Come on… you know nothing about me. Such a silly thing to say. Are you about 12?
@@michaelb9027 this is a messed up world Michael, and any type abuse is totally wrong! Its sad to see so much suffering. There is hope some people find a way through with and without religious experience…. I’ve met some, one of the best Human I have ever met, grew up in care, after being neglected by her parents to the point of being so malnourished her teeth grew deformed. She became totally introverted, as a teen she hooked up with a guy that totally abused her, dangled her over a balcony at one point, tried to share her with friends!! Which was the last straw. She became a member of my church, she was a beautiful singer, sang at everyone’s wedding including her own! Has two lovely daughters, though told she could never have kids, she was inspirational in every way, the most kind loving person. God took her home and the world is a sadder place without her.
So Frank saves people?
I think you mean he's on TH-cam fighting for likes and subscribes.
@@petecoogan He is visiting universities/colleges and talking to people head on. 🙏🏻 that takes a lot of courage and conviction. Then it’s posted on social media for the world to see, so that you and I can judge it. Quite harshly in your case.
I like that Frank's goal is to win a soul even more than win an argument. Sometimes apologetists forget that and forget the big picture of why we engage tough questions.
**AMEN**
Don't underestimate apologetics. Yes not all the time things gonna smooth as TH-cam videos .The whole efforts of preaching the gospel to the world is to win for Jesus and not themselves.
But he's lost. He didnt read the Bible if he thinks "the universe is expanding". Thats a masonic/jesuit deception.
@@sebaxiNho why do you think universe is not expanding?
Legendary Force right. Debating someone who’s never looked into the history of the scriptures. But by what standard are you saying that all evidence is circumstantial?
That is the first time I have ever heard the love of God explained like that. Using the let's just be friends analogy, that's something all guys can relate to. He'll send cards, letters, and flowers, but if you don't want a relationship, He will respect your wishes. That is really a scary thought.
at least the clingy guy can't send anyone to be tortured for eternity if they don't return his calls
@@Kill2Blit People dont necessarily go to Hell for not believing they primarily/mainly go because they sin. If you have sinned (which everyone has) and die without Jesus on Judgement day God will judge you and you will be found guilty and sentenced to his prison (Hell) without parole. The reason you need the accept Jesus is because only he can wash away sin or in other words he paid your fine by dying and taking God's Wrath on your behalf. All you need to do is repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ with your salvation like you would trust a parachute and God will give you a new heart with new desires and grant you the gift of everlasting life.
@@danieltulloch5556 assuming hell exists, and it entails eternal torture, and also that god is all powerful (all of which has to be demonstrated but we'll ignore that for now), how could he possibly be a loving god? say someone lives a great and generous life, but they don't believe in god (a sin). do they deserve to be tortured for all eternity because of only that? no loving god would damn someone forever for a minor sin in a finite life. normal everyday people who get jealous sometimes, or tell a white lie like saying they're fine when they're not, don't deserve eternal damnation either. it's like if your kid broke a vase and lied about doing so and you told him unless he says sorry (repents) you'll lock him in prison and torture him until he dies, and then even after he dies he'll still be there and cannot escape for all time. even if he doesn't say sorry, that's a *ridiculous* punishment! and that example is far more generous because the kid can see you even exist. whether he exists or not, the god of the Bible is a monster.
@@Kill2Blit Yes none of us can see him but we have reasonable proof of the new testament being accurate and true and through other things we can logically come to the conclusion a God exists. Yes to us sin seems minor but to a Perfect, Infinitely Holy and Just God it is very serious. So yes God loves Us even if we Sin against him and hate him he still loves you but he is also Just and Holy. Reasons why Hell is eternal:
1) We sin against an infinite being so even if the sins are finite it is against a infinite being.
2) Who said people stop sinning in Hell. People probably continue sinning in Hell.
3) If God is going to reward the people with eternal happiness,joy and peace and also give us earth but perfect like it originally was and this reward is infinite why should people who do the opposite not be given a eternity of the opposite of reward.
I know i have never met you but i care about you and the thought of you going to Hell Saddens me.
You should look at all the evidence of the New Testament and God. There is a playlist on this channel called "is the New testament true" that has a ton of evidence.
Jesus saves from Hell.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9)
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Repent and trust in him with your death and eternity and you shall be saved.
@@danieltulloch5556 I watched some of the playlist, took issue with most of the points. I won't get into it here to avoid a pages long comment, im more interested in what you think of these responses to the hell is eternal stuff:
1. I dont see how this is relevant. honestly an infinite being should care *even less* about finite events as they have zero impact on anything on an infinite timeframe. even if he does care, the punishment still doesnt fit the crime.
2. there’s no way to investigate this so its a useless point imo. also, the eternal damnation was decided at judgement and is punishment for the sins during life, so any further sin or lack of it has no effect and is irrelevant.
3. whats wrong with an ordinary world that isnt particularly good or bad, just in the middle? why does it have to be infinite happiness or literal torture forever? its a ridiculous idea.
any way you slice it, god is the greatest evil. any all-powerful all-knowing being would be capable of designing a flawless system, and if he wanted everyone to be saved he would have designed a system where everyone was. a being that decides literally every aspect of reality is responsible for everything that goes on in it.
Carter has raised amazing questions!! What a smart guy! He had leading up questions even when the answer seemed to be given he still brought up very good points and he got very intelligent and explained answers. Amazing!
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He was reading from a script!
This is by far the greatest gospel message ever to break down an atheist! Well done sir for this video
Odd,...because as an atheist, nothing he said here had any actual value. If you're already biased to Turek's sort of beliefs, you probably _would_ consider them "well done".
I've needed this. I'm just back into my Faith, and honestly I've been wrestling with these things. Thank you.
Pursue strongly!
Faith is the substitute of evidence when establishing a belief. It is fed by unsubstantiated declarations and swallowed by groupthink. I encourage you to accept what you are told ONLY in the presence of good evidence. A counter example is "Well, God can do anything. Who are you to suggest the snake and donkey didn't talk, Jesus didn't walk on water, or that the undead roamed Jerusalem after the Crucifiction?" Swallow it all and you are basically saying: "I'm just back into my Cult."
Justin Aeneas it’s sad because I was exactly like you. I’m thankful I found God. I’ll pray for you.
@@rathorrath401 My friend, having been a Christian, I know that "I will pray for you" is a loving gesture. I sincerely appreciate it.
Stay strong👏🏽👏🏽
That last part hit him deep... you can see it in his eyes...
Yup... either that of he just had no objective answer that he could find lol.
Hit me deep. And I already love Jesus.
It hit him that he didn't have a good response... but that doesn't mean there isn't one.
If a man pursues you and pursues you and, finally you say "hey, leave me alone" - then he leaves you alone, because he loves you. Oh - I forgot to mention though that this man decides where you go when you die and you either have to be with him or he will "quarantine" you (aka burn forever in eternal torture and hellfire).... so, no, he doesn't just leave you alone because he loves you. *Be with me or burn forever* ... Sounds like a super loving and awesome guy...
@@thomascaulfield5232 I'm guessing you're choosing the burn forever instead of being with christ?
rutilio caballero I’m guessing you’re planning to stay with the guy who burns you for overcooking the pot roast. Enjoy your abusive relationship. Fortunately for me, there isn’t a shred of compelling evidence to suggest your skydaddy exists out side of your imagination.
Wow, just wow! He has a way to stating things that just makes you realize so much. I could listen to him talk all day. I keep coming to these videos because I have atheist's friends and agnostic friends that I debate with and I just don't have the knowledge or the right way to word things to debate well enough, so I choose not to debate anymore. All I can do is pray for them but by sending these videos, I hope that they will realize God's love and mercy. Thank you for these videos
I'm agnostic....and just letting you know that videos like this do not do what you believe they will do. This isn't a result of "atheists/agnostics being rebellious or refusing to listen",....but concepts are seen differently than those who believe them....and this includes what Turek states here about his vision of the "love of god".
I'll not get into any of it. You seem like a decent fella. If you are happy in your life, then run with it!
It's not the knowledge to debate atheists you are missing it's the EVIDENCE 🤫
yea cus he says the right buzzwords that allow idiots like you to confirm your delusional beliefs
Sir !!! This is exactly I’ve had in my mind !! Hell is being away from the presence of GOD ❤️ Sir you are doing a great work !! So blessed to see this video ❤️❤️❤️
So, then there can't be any Hell then,....right?
Well rev 21 is lake of fire. So I believe God.
@@DRayL_ he probably didn't want to go there but, yes. Gehenna was a 24/7 rubbish dump on jerusalem that Jesus referenced literally. Yes there s hell after torments or hades. So much evil not one man 8s good enough to be in His presence but by Christ s blood on their door post.
@@jackiepowell7513 I'm aware of Gehenna and how it was referenced in the Biblical books. A place like that is completely believable, since it would reference an actual location people could go to and see [at that time]. No one can do that with any religion's version of "Hell". I see it as a scare tactic used to frighten people into a religious system....and it has been quite a useful tool.
@@DRayL_ Well no real Christian will force you to believe because of hell
Real Christians simply warn you about it
Because we want you to be saved and we want you to have a good life with God
We dont wish punishment towards you
7 years late but that was a good diologue
Haha same and I totally agree, it was interesting how I could totally see both sides, but not gonna lie- the end got me bc it got me in the feels too haha
But I disagree with the point that God does not force us. Jesus said: who is good, but God. John Calvin was more Biblical on the topic of grace, sola deo Gracia. For the rest I like Turek in his apolegetic work! Greets from Holland!
@@nielsqbc4 he doesn't force us or else every person in the world would go to church if he forced us to
I think this is partly the result of debate to uncover truth rather than debate to win arguments
Ok but on morality if there are many religions how do we know which god has the right moral code? Which branch of that religion practices the right morals? Is everything in that religion’s holy scriptures really moral? How do we know that said scriptures of any religion were even written because a god wanted to speak to humanity? Lots of questions left for that topic alone. He talks fast and fallacious and not enough people really listen enough to catch it.
“Hell is a quarantine of evil”. That aged well.
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I was thinking the same thing!
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I think I woke up the neighbours laughing at this comment at 1am. 😂😂😂😂😂
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How refreshing to witness a truly respectful debate between people with very different perspectives.
Franks approach to the question on "Is she in hell?" is very clever. Instead of saying "Yes shes buring in hellfire right now!", he instead says "God will not force her to come to him". This guy is one smart cookie. Great tactic. I'm going to remember that.
Yeah,....a great tactic to sidestep what is actually believed. I see it like what you'd expect from a smarmy used car salesman.
That’s just a cop out answer though😂 the truth is according to christian theology she would be in hell
That, was actually really deep. I had never thought of free will like Turek described it as. This was really enlightening to me, who's a believer.
@Jack Of All Trades God knows everything, yes. He allows free will because He loves us enough to leave us alone so we don't feel pressured into loving Him. Satan and his demons have access to Earth because they were banished from heaven. This is their kingdom for now. If God wanted to right now, He could blink Satan and every demon out of existence with a snap. But He doesn't do that because in life we are tested to see if we will follow Satan or God. Follow God, eternal life, follow Satan, eternal death/punishment. But God will dispatch every satanic creature so there will be no more sin.
@Jack Of All Trades Amazing, everything of which you just spoke was wrong. God has omniscience, He knows all. God chooses not to intermingle in our everyday affairs because of free will. You claim the Adam and Eve story is a myth. This is a lie. Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, and the first sinners. Now I'm sorry you fell out But when you read the Bible expecting contradictions and fallacies, you'll make them up as you go, completely missing the point of stories. I'm not saying everything in the Bible actually happened, there are parables to learn lessons from. Adam and Eve are not parables, they are a story of what happened when Man first sinned.
@Jack Of All Trades You too, God bless!
@Jack Of All Trades I see your point but God reveals Himself in nature, but that's my two cents.
@Jack Of All Trades Anytime, its nice to have a conversation without being called "non inclusive" or racist" or whatever.
Very polite atheist. Thumbs up for him 👍
Very polite person. There I fixed it for you.
David Lim keep in mind most atheists have college degrees, phd, and masters degrees.. the reason we question god is simple “ evidence “ I love to talk philosophy, religion, politics, oh yes and I’m one of those pesky polite atheists 🤓
I don't know why people are so surprised when an atheist is a nice person. We're all just people. Some of us are polite and some of us aren't. I don't think it matters what your religion is. Ted Bundy was polite lol
joshua james What evidence?? Please explain
joshua james We have found 7 different kinds of the homo species , one recently that the big toe was located on the foot between human and ape, that is looked upon as a transitional species.. and still discovering new fossils on a daily basis that point to evolution.. I’m not an archeologist but it just appears to me that there is evidence.
This was a really sincere and polite debate between two minds. Love the respect!
Seriously, I have goosebumps from Turek’s explanation.
His explanation of what? About how he's immoral?
A "quarantine" of evil. Who's watching in 2021?
we can start a "quarantine" here on earth of good.
Duuude😂😂😂
Who’s just trying to get likes? Why do people do that? What thrill do you get out of it?
I just watched it, this is some good stuff
@@fezzik7619 says the guy who liked his own comment
Very professional throughout. The student asking the questions was nothing but intelligent and respectful, and Turek answered them properly. This is how you conduct a QnA.
If by properly you mean by misrepresenting science and using fallacies in place of arguments then yes, very proper
Holy crap I won’t lie he made a really well thought out argument. That explanation for god is really interesting to me now
1 Corinthians 15:1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 - By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 - And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Acts 16:30 - And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be Saved?
Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy House.
Good, because God wants a relationship with you Terrence through His Son Jesus!
Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Christianity is surprisingly intellectual, rational, and fulfilling. I used to believe there were no good arguments for the existence of a creator God, but that’s because I didn’t search hard enough. Aquinas and Plantinga alone are enough to fill a lifetime of deep thought.
Praying for you man!
I wish I could "Like" this clip more than once. Beautifully said. I had a dream almost 20 years ago. The power of Gods LOVE is unlike anything I've ever felt before, or since. It's almost like it took over every molecule, became the air, filled my body and the space my body was in. I could spend my entire life trying to put enough emphasis on that LOVE, and not ever come close to even a fraction of it. To think I could spend eternity enveloped in that kind of perfect warmth, but not because of my own choice-- for me, that's hell.
Frank Turek, you sir, in my opinion, are one of the greatest Christian teachers of our age. Thank you, God Speed!
Would it be better to press a RED button to blow the whole world so no life can suffer anymore?
And cliff knutchle from askcliff !!
add Sir David Pawson to the list. His thoughts on "salt and light" really made me think twice about why believers are encouraged to be like that specifically.
@@nikosharma8961cliff got owned by Matt Dillahunty in his latest debate
So...he's one of the greatest liars?
I am Roman Catholic from the Philippines. And I have deep respect Frank Turek. We may have different doctrines. But we sure have the same faith and the same God. God bless all the other Christians out there. May we someday unite once again.
I am Uccp in Philippines
@@jondragon9805 Hello there kababayan!
I pray that you and our fellow brothers and sisters are healthy in this time of pandemic. Keep safe and God bless!
@@romeo-delta1954 I’m a Syrian orthodox asyriac
I like the pfp
you have different gods but keep coping. One of you is wrong about one of your gods, if not both LMAO
Glory be to God .His word will never go to shame
I am Ethiopian orthodox from the Ethiopia. And I have deep respect Frank Turek. We may have different doctrines. But we sure have the same faith and the same God. God bless all the other Christians out there. May we someday unite once again.
I've seen that video a dozen times, dang I love the atheist's sincerity. I hope he's found the truth.
And what 'truth' would that be?
@@theoskeptomai2535 it would start with the undeniable truth that matter is not eternal. A logical worldview, must answer the most fundamental question, if matters not eternal, then how did this finite reality begin? Some Eternal entity or entities are responsible. And as Frank often says it must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, personal, and has a power that, we material beings can not begin to comprehend.
@@1902fresno 1) How did you come to conclude "the undeniable truth that matter is not eternal?"
2) What data, if any, did you analyze?
3) What methodologies did you employing to make such a determination? Take me through your steps.
4) Why _must_ a "logical worldview" answer the question "how did this finite reality begin?"
5) How did you determine the above question is the "most fundamental"?
6) How did you come to conclude that reality is finite?
7) What observation led you to determine reality had a beginning?
8) How did you come to the conclusion that "some eternal entity or entities are responsible" for reality?
9) Why _must_ this "eternal entity or entities" be "spaceless, timeless, immaterial, and personal?"
10) If real phenomenon, by definition, occur in a particular location at a particular time, how could an entity that is spaceless, timeless be real?
11) If "we material beings can not begin to comprehend" this eternal entity, then how do you know so much about it?
12) Are you asserting everything Frank Turek says _must_ be true?
@@theoskeptomai2535 let's cut to the chase......if it can be shown that universe is not eternal ......AND the Christian worldview is the only one that answers origin, meaning, morality, destiny" 4 questions: Where did I come from? Why am I here? How should I live? Where am I going? (taken from Ravi Zacharias) would you then become a Christian? Then why isn't the 2nd law of thermodynamics enough? In a googleplex of time the ? 13.8 billion years is a nano second. Philosophers agree that if time is infinite today would never have come.
@@theoskeptomai2535 on second thought give me your comprehensive coherent world view.
“And if you are timeLESS do you have a beginning ?” That was really great quote
What is spaceless, timeless, immmaterial made up of?
@@nothingamlyngdoh.t3883 spirit
That's one answer I give to people that say "who created God? " I explain to them that only things that exist in time have a beginning. God existed before creation "outside" of time, so he doesn't need a beginning , because only things that exist inside of time have a beginning..,.
@@mortalagentone3279 what is spirit made up of?
@@nothingamlyngdoh.t3883 spirit is immaterial...... Are you willing to believe the truths of God or are you just trying to ask questions to make excuses?
Carter posed some great questions, and was willing to listen and discuss. What a great respectful way to talk about something. If only we dis this more.
I stumbled across Frank recently and am blessed by his knowledge and steadfastness.
The atheist was articulate and respectful. Asked some good questions too. Wish I could find more atheists like Carter. I like a good debate.
Mark Spyrison there's a ton of us out here most are just scared of being hated by the public you may know a few they're just nervous to bring it up
Cole Zmeya That's a total cop out. No one criticizes atheists about being atheists, but atheists criticize and condemn anyone that believes in anything especially Christians all day long.
Adam B that's where you're very wrong I see plenty of billboards and people saying I'm going to hell because I don't believe the fairy tale I'm not sure we're you live but where I live people treat atheists as less than human which is disappointing
Every human deserves love and respect. Even if they don't believe what Christians believe.
Charles Kent Jr thank you
this channel gives answers to questions i didn’t even know i had
Not thinking does that
@@tornay131 Yeah, that’s sums up your thinking buddy. Your comment history proves it.
@@pioneermapping9378 I see. Anything specific you'd like to talk about?
@@pioneermapping9378 didn't think so. Then be quiet while adults are talking. Thank you.
@@tornay131why there would be different doctrines for the same reality? And have you ever talked with people who don't share you beliefs without belittling them?
This was a very satisfying discussion. Well done to both men.
I really appreciate this clip on brother Turek. He's starting to get that patience that comes with age and he still shows love in his heart though he's heard the questions a hundred times. Clapping.
Interesting,....I suppose it is all about how this is interpreted....because I see Turek standing there rather arrogantly...expressing ideologies he just expects people to accept.
Wow. The last part really hit me. This is by far the best explaination I've heard from someone. Huge respect 🙌
@Paul Morgan to you sir 🍻
@Paul Morgan Remember Eastern Paganism or Paganism in it's facts worship demons and false gods of Satan.
As it was in the Bible so it is now,
Many believe in *Gods* and they do indeed have powers and signs,
But they are not from the true God , they are simply from powerful spiritual demons.
The spiritual world is always at war brother, stay strong in the faith.
@@davidlegkodukh6969 What observation led you to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists?
@Paul Morgan because modern paganism isn't supported by proven predicted prophecies.
Totally agree!! Excellent analogy!
One of the things I love about Frank Turek, is he doesn't just present an intellectual argument for the existence of God, but he presents a precondition for the gospel. I'm certain he also presents the actual gospel, maybe not in this clip, but he' has the setup here perfect for someone to contemplate the error of atheism, and to think, well, maybe God really is real. That takes a lot of preparing, and concentration. He doesn't talk down to the non-believers, and he acknowledges that they have very good questions, then takes their unbelief, and turns it upside down. Excellent.
I notice that too... if the question is about existence of God and the universe, he present the evidence or study for that, but not getting into the Gospel... and if the question is about Jesus or the Gospel or other religion, he present the evidence for the Gospel and Jesus... although both and related, he doesn't diverge the argument so much that it's confusing to the one asking.... I really like this clip, because the question is clear and the questioner is polite, Frank said so as well...
You make me want to listen to this again! Good analysis!! Thank you!!
You cannot be serious 🤦♂️ Frank Turek is nothing but a dishonest troll.
@@ant9925 I am serious, and just who is the troll here?
@@theservantsresource3565 🤦♂️ grow up
The first ones second question is absolutely amazing. This guy has genuine questions, and im happy his questions where answered. I love people like this because they arent just blindly hateful and yell random nonsense about scripture, and take time to learn and question it correctly.
It doesn't make Turek's answer viable, though.
His comparison doesn’t work. It’s not, “you can love me, and if you don’t, I’ll leave you alone”. It’s “You can love me, but if you don’t, you’re damned to eternal hellfire.” Sounds pretty coercive to me.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the idea of "Hell" is a metaphor of not being with God. Just as the pictures of hell are so bad so too is not being with God an awful experience.
Wow the atheist almost dropped the mike for him at the end!!!!
Excellent debate both were polite and respectful! Class acts ! Praise Jesus!!!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Amen
"Repent" = forced conversion through threat of eternal damnation
HE keeps sending us cards, letters and flowers 💐🌹
Yes,yes i know...and i always reply:
"Why am i in this particular place out of all the places of "your" creation? Where are also some other beings ,you created,that rejected you and rebeled against you...? You know these fallen angels of yours that hate me and want to claim the only eternal part of my existence...my soul."
Atheists are not to blame.something or a lot of things don't make sense in the bible.
How can anyone be sure the God that Jesus is preaching is the god of the old testament?
@@letthevoidb7608 Give the book of Job another try. Honestly, or perhaps you've never read it? If nothing else it's insanely good dialogue and prose.
Amen Jesus loves you
Hmm. If I got one card or flower from God, I'd convert. Maybe the cards and flowers are the Jehova's Witnesses who keep knocking at my door? Or is it the Mormons next door?
@@dream_traction Tell ya what go pick a flower...there, who do you think made that? Oh wait time + chance + matter right?
Talk about faith.
This guy is amazing!! And makes the information very clear and pretty much irrefutable
The only irrefutable information came from the person asking Frank questions
@@broomshed Haha, as if Carter gave information. He asked questions, not gave answers
Where do you see information ? It's all fiction.
@@jamesyoungmusic The only answer you poor gullible guys have is the logic sky daddy...
@@thierry860 Where’s your proof this “Sky Daddy” doesn’t exist?
Thank you sir. Blessed presentation. A scientific perspective that has been written on my heart but I don't express it outside of my family. Glad to hear it . Very encouraging.
That's not science.
@@tornay131 I won't change your mind. Not up to me.
@@zgarrett14 the statement of science being written on a metaphor sounds like flowery language. Nothing scientific there.
Frank, I’m so sorry to hear about your father. Bless you sir. I’m so grateful for you.
This man just explained heaven, hell and earth. 👏
What man?
Yeah, nah he didn't
@@extremelyvetted8083 yeah, yes he did.
Hell is not a place it's an event. The bible also refers to it as the second death. Heaven is a temporary place where the Saints will spend 1000 years, there's also multiple heavens according to the Bible. Earth is the final dwelling place for the Saints shall inherited forever and ever.
Hell is an event, not a place. The Bible also refers to it as the second death. Heaven is a temporary place where the Saints will spend 1000 years, there's also multiple heavens according to the Bible. Earth is the final dwelling place for the Saints, for they shall inherited it forever and ever.
Thank you so much. This has restored my faith.
These two could do a montage together. Excellent, genuine, respectful exchange.
Frank Turek your response to every query is so substantial without getting into controversy. May Jesus Bless you and use you mightily in God's Kingdom.
So if i get this correct:God creates man, with the ability to choose and sin, knows man will sin, places temptations all around man to make it hard for man not to sin, even creates a Satan of whom God knew what he was going to do to man, and although God is almighty God choses not to interfere , then after man messes up which God knew man was going to do since God created man that way, God punishes man for all eternity for those who don't believe a story that was written in a book am I right? If in any way I am wrong , please enlighten me ;)
No it isnt. He claims there is no way for atheists to justify morality but says absolutely nothing to support such a wild claim.
And to justify Numbers 31:17...? (that specific part)
TRIPL39 MUSIC You are very wrong. God gave all living creatures free will. A terrible god would be a god who is authoritarian and forces you to believe in him, but god gives all creatures free will to choose what to do with their lives, and even Pope Francis said atheists can go to heaven, so you’re wrong there as well.
Ahm, how? What of the Curse of Ham? And 1 Corinthians 2:14?
Also, as beings who can disguise themselves as 'beings of light' (and maybe start own religions too) did rebel angels get MORE free will?
Or Adam, with little apparent awareness of stakes beyond to him and Eve?
Now this is how you save a soul.
All souls are lost if we do not come back to Olympus
Nobody can save a soul except Jesus.
@8_ Rezx and sharing your faith
@@zeussbhitc7978 Frank’s response is wrong. You are not being punished for not worshipping Christ. You are being punished for your sins. “for the wages of the sin [is] death, and the gift of God [is] life age-during in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 6:23 -
God sent His son to take on the sins of the world, so that if you trust in Him and repent you won’t be punished for your sins. You are not punished for not believing in Christ. Your sins are what condemn you. If you trust in Christ, Christ bears the burden for your sins, if you don’t trust Him you bear the burden for your sins. It is a plea deal, take it or leave it. Bear your sins, or ask Him to bear your sins for you. Accept His free gift or live without it.
Now to avoid dishonesty I will admit that not worshiping Christ is a sin, because the Bible says “`Thou hast no other Gods before Me. `Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which [is] in the heavens above, or which [is] in the earth beneath, or which [is] in the waters under the earth.”
Exodus 20:3-4 -
If you don’t worship Christ, you either worship yourself by believing you are the master of your own destiny not God, or idolizing any one or thing that isn’t God. Those 2 sins do condemn you, but even if God took those out, you will still be judged for your other sins and you would still go to Hell, so accept the plea deal. Repent and trust in Christ.
@@honestfriend767 Truth, well said.
Awesome answers to difficult questions. Thank you brother Frank
This is so good, I really don't understand why anybody would not want to love God and try to do good with their life.. The security and peace alone are so worth it.
Probably because religion is a scam to control simple minded people.
Ever talk to someone who doesn't share your beliefs?
The Joy of the LORD is my Strength.
This is some of the finest teaching I’ve ever heard.
Except, no, it's really not
Then you have not seen good teaching ever
Major room for improvement, I'm afraid.
Free will is such a... flexible concept, for theologians.
dream way...you are easily pleased
man do all of these replies have to be so elitist? smh
I mean what can anyone say after such a wonderful explanation. Smh. I'm speechless. Wow!
took the words right out of my mouth brother
Christopher Haupt
What are you claiming the wonderful explaniton is?
@@dropbearattack and then also his explanation of how God's love works in conjunction with our will of choosing not to believe. Like God does his part while we are here, but if we continue to reject Him, He's not going to force us to love him. Then he used the women in the room as an example to illustrate how we respond to him if we aren't interested. Overall I really enjoyed the discussion between the atheist and Frank. They both did a really great job in articulating themselves. And I learned a lot in such a brief discussion.
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I'll just take some of the S. U .R.G.E argument, for now; ignoring the preceding suppositions made by Turek concerning ontology.
It seems that you are "wowed" and others here are wishing for the education to be able to argue with atheists
precisely because your science education is lacking.
It need only be shown that Turek's premises are factually incorrect to determine that his conclusions are wrong, it should be noted, however, that his acronym is actually out of order and there is a reason that he does this.
The beginning of the universe argument must start with the beginning of the universe, which he actually places second and describes the singularity as both infinite density and also nothing, if there is enough information about something to describe it's properties and function then it cannot be the nothing that he is claiming.
Turek acknowledges the expanding universe, then claims that the second law of thermodynamics is in effect but dishonestly represents the law that only applies in a closed system to the expanding universe; an expanding system is not a closed system.
There is no need to address the rest of his argument regarding this because having his foundational premise being shown to be false, the scientific method no longer applies and there is no way to reach anything other than an unsupported supposition, further, Turek's claim that there was no time before God would necessarily mean that his Deity couldn't exist once time was "created" because there would be no time for a God to exist in.
I won't write an essay but I have only scratched the surface of what is demonstrably wrong with his pseudo science.
@@dropbearattack good stuff what you are saying. But unfortunately I'm not Turek. I personally would like to hear what he would say in response to your comment. You already acknowledged that I'm not in the same league as you so why waste your time. Lol.
If a person whose explanation you are criticizing isn't here to defend himself then how can I the viewer have a proper presentation to judge. You may be right, or you may be biased. I have no clue. But one thing I will say is that you have an explanation though. But it would be very difficult for a simpleton like me to know if it substantially holds weight.
I love the way Frank exposes the truth, I'm pretty sure that apologetics is a way to show mercy to ignorant people introducing them to scientific, historical, archeological and many types of reasonable thinking that leads to God and his great love. I love Frank's sense of humor :)
historical accuracy of the bible has *ZERO* relevance to its authenticity. Even if the bible were written by mere ordinary superstitious primative tribesmen. They would still know about towns , places, people , leaders kings ect . That's the very LEAST we would expect.
Herodotus wrote about life in 500bc he spoke of real people and places does that mean his works are inspired of god ??? Of course not .
If some future archeological dig discovered the ruins of New York and the empire state building would they be justified in thinking *KING KONG* was therfore real ???? Nonsense.
There is no archeological evidence for anything supernatural only the normal mundane stuff we find with everything else.
Almost every fictional book ever written will contain references to real places and people even Harry Potter it means nothing.
However if there were historical INACCURACIES (and there are lots ) that's a different story.
When was jesus born for example ? Because the historical evidence disagrees alarmingly with the bible on that for starters .
Quirinius's census for example we know conclusively did not occur until 6 ad not 3 years before the death of herod but several years after. And yes I know there was more than one herod, I can go into detail if you like about how we know exactly which one it was and can cross reference with Mathew ect.
Indeed I've learnt alot from this 9min clip especially the SURGE response and thank God for your wisdom kudos to you Frank!!!
This was a fantastically smart discussion on both sides.
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@Paul Morgan So much for an intelligent perspective. Sorry for you. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, ... Romans 1:22
@Paul Morgan You say that as if it were the truth. What is truth? Some seek the truth, other's hate the truth when they know where that truth leads. If your honest, which are you? Peace be upon you.
@Paul Morgan Ever notice how those that call other's "idiots" are almost always the biggest fool in the room? That is just hateful and unintelligent response. I'm sorry for you that others who care about you cannot reach you through your hate.
I have watched this a multitude of times over the last several years and it never gets old. Thanks for such a great explanation Mr Turek.
Brilliantly put Frank, and thanks so much. May everybody find Jesus Christ in this life.
As a Christian with a lot of agnostic and atheist friends and family members, I so appreciate Carter's intellect and attitude. I wish that Atheists and Christians could always have such polite and respectful discussions.
I agree....as an agnostic. I've had some really nice conversations [much preferred] with theists [Christian and Muslim alike]. But I've also had some horrific discussions with some very arrogant and condescending theists, using personal attacks, misunderstanding, not listening to what I was saying,...and I really dislike those. And on the other side, I've seen too many atheists using provocative language as well. Neither of these is conducive to actual understanding.
A friendly and civil conversation is best. :-)
I wonder what ever happened to Carter, hope he found Jesus.
Connor K he became Vince carter and had a happy nba career
@Sean S. it was funny, you've been on the internet too long
He went to Mars, now known as John Carter of Mars.
Read the books John Carter goes back finds Dejah, and cleans house.
I think that he was already seeking our lord Jesus.
That’s why he was asking the questions.
Maybe he didn’t know he was seeking Jesus but all his questions seemed to be pointing in one direction and that was towards the discovery of the truth!
His questions were always open to being answered rather than closed veiled attacks.
I sincerely hope he finds salvation as he seems like a truly decent and intelligent young person.
How I wish I could answer questions like Frank. May God keep blessing him for his work.
Not everyone has Frank’s God given talent, but all Christians are gifted by the Holy Spirit. I’m sure yours is just as special and will further God’s kingdom.
@@CAjoy1Amen sister!
Great Conversation.... Great Decent Atheist Guy and Superbly Answered by Sir Frank.... 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
Blessings to all👍🏻
i really enjoy listening to frank answer these questions to young people because infact i have gotten the same questions from college students over the last 32 years plus and have responded in a similar way as frank but not as articuitly and as well but i still love going out to the university and politely engaging students in conversation about God ,heaven and hell, salvation etc its a challenge and i cant tell you how exciting it is to talk to students from all backgrounds about Jesus Christ
Turek's "answer" here was absurdly ridiculous. The notion of "loving you so much to not force you into 'his' presence"? But then forcing you to the only other location [according to his ideology], apparently without ANY chance to change their mind,...a location of eternal suffering!! And that is what Turek thinks as "love"??? No. That is malevolence on the most grand of scales.
When you talk to them about Jesus
What do you tell them?
Beautiful debate. I only wish I had the education and background to be able to confront unbelievers with such knowledge and a loving heart. Well done!
Randy Tucker
Are you serious?
What knowledge do you think Turek has that you don't?
Don't wish, take it upon yourself as a challenge to get their knowledge! I think it's something that all of us Christian should do! I think it's our responsibility to!
ramdy, turek is a dimwit. i could tear him apart, like a lot of his debate opponents have.
louis cyfer just b/c he doesn't think like u tsk tsk
helen, are you kidding me? i can tear him apart because he is demonstrably wrong.
This was great. The young man had some really great questions and Frank's explanations were solid. Great!
Yes, love the tough questions. Really helps us think.
does it REALLY help you guys think if you just blatantly ignore the questions and stick to your faith? It's easier to just be honest and admit you guys won't change your minds and that you patronize atheists like the man in the video.
Knightfall8 So basically what you're saying is "I'm right, you're wrong". There's not much room for discussion there.
+Robert Love actually "im right youre wrong" is the christian tactic. the atheist asks "why are you right" then the christian fumbles around unconvincingly.
+Robert Love there's always room for discussion if youre intellectually honest enough to defend extraordinary claims with sufficient evidence
Beautiful beautiful revelation!! God bless u Frank for your enlightening words!! 👍👍👍
I'm amazed at what people find "beautiful"......
What an excellent conversation
He is a great lecturer bringing the arguments straight to the point
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Amen, He is the healer of all things! A chain breaker, waymaker, and peacekeeper!
@@TheOne-Aslan So is self-delusion.
@@KennedyApproach Why is it with all you atheists constantly bombarding Christianity? What do you get out of that?
@@TheOne-Aslan What is this? A christian only channel? Can't you keep your ridiculous belief at home? Running around screaming 'jesus healed me' and conveniently forgetting that he is responsible for your illness in the first place.
@@KennedyApproach I never said this was a Christian only channel. I just asked what do you get from constantly bombarding Christianity. Also, Jesus is not responsible for anyone's illness.
Praying that Carter responds to the Lord's seeking of him. I know he is going to be a believer one day!
How?
Great video! Thanks for sharing ❤️
Every time I have doubts and go into my intellectual, logic seeking mind, this man always leads me right back to God with logic. It takes a special person to enter the intellectual world of debate and lead us to God through logic and reason. I am one who often sees my own questions as doubts instead questions that I must ask God to answer for me. It's clear, Mr. Turek, that you have done the latter and God has given you answers to many of our common questions that you share with us and help us to continue on the right path. TGBTG. Thank you sir!
lol .. all those notions could be used to prove odin or zeus too :)
That’s his job to lead you back. That’s the job of all apologists. You see, if God was real-you wouldn’t have doubts, and there would be no apologists. Does science and history have apologists? No. They have evidence-no one can say that for God. People like Turek have to make you think there is evidence without showing it, (because there is none), and bombard you with theories and fifty dollar words so you won’t question anything-because questioning things leads to understanding what is really happening. They don’t want that. Just be a good little soldier and don’t question the Bible or God; ignore the contradictions, anachronisms, errors and such. Ignore the fact that there are no indications of God. Just go around thinking that something didn’t come from nothing-although that’s what the Bible teaches. Ignore real science and history too, otherwise-you just might become an atheist.
@@scottsmith2235 or worse, a muslim! lol
@@markhill3858 😆 Yes!
Would it be better to press a RED button to blow the whole world so no life can suffer anymore?
I've never seen a meaningful conversation on this ! Love those two ! Great questions and thoughts
This discourse is so amazing.
Now... that was eye opening! AMEN!
Smart kid.. I have a feeling that he will find his way to YESHUA one day.. it's ok to question what we don't understand and that's why there are people who God has blessed with a better understanding in which we can learn.
I hope and pray many people come to Christ. 💜💜💜
@BMore God hates pride. He delivered His word in such a way that the prideful would scoff at it. Hope you learn the truth some day. God bless you.
@BMore "i know the truth" you poor guy lol. Good luck!
@BMore The fact that we exist and the irreducible complexity seen in all of nature. But dont place that burden on me. It is in fact your own. Ive come to my conclusion, i wont come to yours for you. Theres plenty of evidence surrounding biblical events and extrabiblical sources confirming the existence of and circumstances around the life and ministry and death of the Christ. It comes down to faith and rational thinking, that no one would die for something they knew was a lie. And if there was no resurrection as foretold, His movement would have died when He did. But we see the opposite instead, the explosion of the early church and many letters telling of Gods sacrifice. Much love my friend. Good luck and God bless you.
@BMore - I think you would enjoy a book titled Skepitics Answered by D. James Kennedy.
No one can 'prove' Gods existence anymore than a person can 'prove' that they love you. I actually applaud your unwillingness to take a persons 'word for it'. You dont need proof, you need knowledge- be willing to hear the information you ask for, be willing to consider the opinions of others and do not expect the knowledge/assurance to come quickly or magically. There are alot of kooks and nuts that give true Christians a bad rep and I hope they dont deter you. If you genuinely want to know and can be patient you will find out (again it can be a long tough journey especially if your surroundings discourage you)
Carter seems like such a sincere and genuine person. God bless him!
And way more intelligent than the con man he's speaking to.
ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS I'VE EVER WATCHED!!!!!!!
Bless this man!! My God, I mean what more proof do you need 😭 Get right with the Living God! Soften your hearts & let him love you! ✨♥️🙏🏾
& I love how this is a respectful conversation 🙌🏾
What more proof do we need? A whole lot more than Turek gave here...which was zero. He gave his opinion...and presuppositions.
Wow! That was one of the most awesome things I've ever seen. I appreciate that Frank Turek uses a totally logical and reasonable approach. That's what atheists will never understand -- the truth can stand on its own 2 feet. No lie can outwit or defeat it. Thanks very much for your service!
I know that you did not mean your comment to be disrespectful... But I just want to make you aware that this type of comment is what turns atheist off! When we tell atheist what they will never understand, and where they will never go, and what they will never see, we place them in a box that they didn't or forced by nature to defend!
Our goal should be to, not back them into a corner, but your help them understand what we believe! So just a slight change of words, I just ask you to not use phrases such as atheist will never understand! Because that in and of itself is false as evidenced by the many people in this comment section they have pointed out that they were once atheist themselves and they're now believers! We have to stop acting like we are more intelligent than atheists, and we understand something that they don't!
The fact of the matter is Faith, as the Bible says, is a gift from God! When you speak of your understanding and Faith as something that makes you holier-than-thou, what you do is you push atheist away because you are also a sinner! And all anyone would have to do is examine any of our sins and then look at our hostility towards non-believers, and why would anybody ever want to be affiliated with that?
Yes, call Sin what it is! I definitely do not advocate only speaking of peace and love and happiness! But, let's remember that it's not personal. "For our struggle is notagainst flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."
....the stupidity of your comment tops the wrongness of it content... religions are nonsense, no more no less... and a heaven on earth for bullshitters like turek...
@@demetriusmiddleton1246 mind blown!
It's very clever how Frank turns the question around and instead of saying "Yes they are going to hell" he instead says "No, God will not force you into heaven."
Brilliant Tactic.
Yet still has the burden of proof.
The atheist actually is being extremely chill and i respect him for it
Most excellent video. Frank's got it going on. Best I've seen, along with Hovind and Lisle.
Oh my Lord, what a beautiful exchange of words. Carter was so polite and I can tell he's a great person. Hope he found the answers by now.
Carten seemed broken at the end.. Hope He can give His life to the Lord. He is indeed loved by God!!!!
Yeah, he seemed convicted by the Holy Spirit.
Ok but can you prove it?
Nothsa Rekcap prove what
Stephen Machado
1. That the person was broken at the end as stated in Pricilla’s comment. How do you know what he was thinking?
Or
2. That he was convicted by a Holy Spirit as stated in Ser Gio’s comment. Or that there even is a Holy Spirit in the first place.
@@someoneonyoutube8622 did u see his face and his reaction u can tell that he was convicted by the Holy Spirit
The comments section here is really wholesome compared to the other debate war zones I've seen :)
I'm glad you're on our side my brother. Shalom
Loved this debate.
I spare a special thought for the athiests that he finds his answer in life.
I pray that that answer is God.
As Christians we are called to pray for others
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
I like how simple wisdom is. It is accessible even to a child.
+C Rizzy Perception is everything.
actually Ive seen someone try to explain the dumb "uncaused causer" argument to a child, and the child was like "but why would everything need a cause but one thing?" the adult tried to play it off but the kid pressed the issue. "why does only one thing break the rules? what proves only one thing is capable of breaking the rules?" indeed, what has religion ever done in successfully proving only one thing could break a rule that arguably doesnt exist.
Do not confuse religion with the existence of God. You are free to reject God but do not pretend to do so by use of fallacy as you have attempted with the kiddy conversation. Do you agree there are many ways to be wrong but only one way to be right? Why should there be only one correct answer to say, a math problem or every other thing? Isn't that your argument? Well, good luck reaching for success using wrong answers. A thing exists or does not exist, is right or is not right simply because of how we think or what we say. However, the truth remains the truth even if none believe it.
which god? - and I do not mean if U believe in the Islamic god U r fucked when U r a Christian and vice versa - there are 390 000 000 worshiped in India only ! before U talking about a god U have to prove that the other gods are false - and nobody could do it until now
Pio chanel 2 the Christian GOD is only the true GOD
Excellent questions!!!! Even better answers!!!
I am a believer of Jesus but I feel Carter was very professional and polite in his speech