Atheist storms out after refusing to give an argument
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- Do atheists merely lack a belief in God? Frank shows why everyone, even atheists, have the burden of proof to explain why reality is the way it is. An atheist at Fresno State claimed this wasn’t so and charged Frank with lying as the atheist stormed out. Here are the debates Frank referenced where each atheist agreed to provide arguments for the atheistic worldview by agreeing to the title:
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“A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.”
Proverbs 18:2 ESV
Use KJV please.
dont question your priest and dont form individual opinions
Chris Wheeless
That’s not what that verse is saying. The word of God calls us to test all things.
It’s wanting to understand, not just caring about expressing ones own opinions.
that is the basis of every religious belief.
Nickolas Gaspar
I disagree. Christians are always willing to have discussions and or debates or hold these platforms where those who hold different views can come and ask questions and make their claims for what they believe.
The guy who was asking Frank questions, wasn’t willing to listen to Franks explanation. It’s always best when both sides can have a dialogue back and forth, instead the atheist just walked out.
He's very passionate about his lack of belief
I could just the same argue that Christians have a lack of belief
Ok. Feel free
@@alexaarenstrup2883 that wouldn't be correct 😂
gotta respect it. He does faith in a paradoxical way. There is no conclusive evidence because there needs to be room for faith. So HE believes that there is no god
@@alexaarenstrup2883 no. Technically atheists have faith. They just believe there is no god. They have faith that there isn't a god
He actually looks like the internet atheist stereotype.
not at all. More your own prejudice of atheist.
@@matswessling6600lol, someone is a look alike
@@matswessling6600you most definitely look like him lmao
@@matswessling6600How many of those wolf shirts you own, bud? Lol
They all look like that
Dude straight up thought he could win an argument by not giving one.
Or, perhaps he wasn't having an argument, but asking to be convinced by someone who was asserting something?
@@Thoron_of_Neto nah. He straight up lost the argument. That's why he ran like a coward.
not his fault hes been programmed that hes the epitome of human intellect
@@Thoron_of_Neto if ur asking to be convinced of something but u have no other plausible more reasonable explanation means ur in denial
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n Fr
The sinner of today can be our brother of tomorrow. May the Lord bless him.
Amen!
Gonçalo Peres do you really believe that. Aren’t you one of the sinners. Yes, I can see believing Jesus is God. That’s some faulty logic. There is only one God and he has no partners, no sons, and no daughters. Use your brain not your mouth.
Adam Almir
“I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My SONS AND DAUGHTERS, Says the Lord Almighty.” -2 Corinthians 6:18
@@adamalmir5214 I am a sinner saved by God's grace.
Even though I may struggle with sin, it no longer has power in my life as it used to.
❝ For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ❞ Romans 6:14 KJV
❝ For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. ❞ Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
Everyone's a sinner
Despite how much I've learned from Dr Turek about Apologetics, he's taught me even more about patience
Lol ikr
@@arcguardian Amen brother. He is far better a Christian than I am with regards to that frailty. For me, God says "work in progress!" lol
@@michaelwill7811 likewise. He who began a good work in you will see it to completion.
Totally
He definitely has plenty of of that.
"Atheism is a curious thing...even demons don't stoop to that sin" - CH Spurgeon
That's because demons cannot deny what they already know it is True.
It's actually because demons are fictional creatures
@@charlessmith4793would you please elaborate based on what type of evidence is your statement
@@nicodeleon2908 right lol atheist are just ignorant In my opinion they just say things without providing proof about what they say, I’ve actually met atheist’s who know Jesus Christ existed so it makes me laugh when some atheist are ignorant and some aren’t
@I'll be damned if I ain't handsome I bet now enjoy your day.
I love how unruffled Frank is by Scott's immature and disrespectful behavior. Such a power move. Humility vs pride. Humility won the day.
He prob was ruffled, just hid it. He shared a story of how an atheist's response made him shiver before and it was on the topic of how some atheist just don't care about truth and only want to do w/e they want. I could prob find the vid if i want to, irrc it was a Q&A maybe 50min long and he was debating with this dude about logics, rocks, immaterial things etc
Scott was annoyed because Mr. Turek was making claims that Scott indicated were not true and pointed that out. So pointing out that someone is not being honest is not disrespectful it's being fair. And Scott was very nice in his comments - and clarified many things that Mr. Turek was getting wrong or mis representing. Mr. Turek likes to use concepts of complex debating which don't hold up.
How is he being immature and disrespectful? Humility won the day? 🤣
@@petersimard3538 Scott was objectively wrong. He was using the "psychological state" definition for Atheism "a lack of belief in God" which is incorrect for a philosophical context like this. Psychological states are not even truth claims, so they cannot serve as a position in a debate at all. Psychological states are just something you experience, they just ARE, and cannot be debated with another person. Turek pointed this out.
Here's the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy describing the difference between two definitions for Atheism, and ALL of academia defines it like this:
"The word “atheism” is polysemous-it has multiple related meanings. In the psychological sense of the word, atheism is a psychological state, specifically the state of being an atheist, where an atheist is defined as someone who is not a theist and a theist is defined as someone who believes that God exists (or that there are gods). This generates the following definition: atheism is the psychological state of lacking the belief that God exists. In philosophy, however, and more specifically in the philosophy of religion, the term “atheism” is standardly used to refer to the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, to the proposition that there are no gods). Thus, to be an atheist on this definition, it does not suffice to suspend judgment on whether there is a God, even though that implies a lack of theistic belief. Instead, one must deny that God exists. This metaphysical sense of the word is preferred over other senses, including the psychological sense, not just by theistic philosophers, but by many (though not all) atheists in philosophy as well. For example, Robin Le Poidevin writes, “An atheist is one who denies the existence of a personal, transcendent creator of the universe, rather than one who simply lives his life without reference to such a being” (1996: xvii). J. L. Schellenberg says that “in philosophy, the atheist is not just someone who doesn’t accept theism, but more strongly someone who opposes it.” In other words, it is “the denial of theism, the claim that there is no God” (2019: 5).”
@@petersimard3538 I don't mean to be insulting, but it blows my mind that atheists like you and Scott genuinely think you know more than one of the top philosophers worldwide about things like this, when you clearly haven't even bothered to investigate at all.
When someone's been in darkness all their life, the light hurts.
that's such a good way of putting it dang
@@alisharachael7501
Like zombies.
What a nice way to say nothing at all.
Vise versa
Even when someone believes, the light of God hurts. Check out The dark night of the soul by Saint John of the cross
God’s Truth isn’t hard to find, just hard to accept.
Beautiful!!!
Where is it then?
Oh, you can't demonstrate the God exists?
The Truth is not hard to find, just hard for you to accept.
@@sqlblindman Hey friend, historical evidence was what helped me on my way, maybe it can help you too. Christianity is what I went with because I was raised in this tradition. My suggestion would be get some book about historical evidence about or search Capturing Christianity YT channel, there is an interview vid with Gary Habermas and Mike Licona, New Testament scholars. They mention non-christian NT scholars in their videos too. And share their own journey. Remember, none of us was born into any religion, searching is good :) Wish you all the best friend.
@@alexantal4417
Historical evidence of what?
There is no historical evidence supporting the Gospel accounts of Jesus. I have looked, and there is none.
If you have any eye witness accounts of the Resurrection, or of Jesus' crucifixion, let me know. The Gospels describe the Sun going dark at Jesus' death, and the Temple curtain being ripped asunder, and the dead rising from their graves and walking the streets. Do you have any historical support for these events, or are we to conclude that nobody found them noteworthy at the time?
Keep searching for the truth friend, and you will find that Jesus is fable.
@@sqlblindman You know that cities that are listed in the Bible are being demolished so people don't find the truth? And there was many other cities discovered that are stated in the Bible yet we don't hear about in the Media.
He's admitting that atheism doesn't have the better explanation. Then he stormed out.
Legend has it that on a very still autumn evening, you can still hear Scott not believing.
Well, actually, we can hear him lacking belief and being "just not convinced." It's not that he "doesn't believe"
You started the argument at least have the courage to finish it.
He just wanted to say that he hates Frank. He was neither an atheist nor an agnostic, he was a snowflake. Frank was very respectful and was thoroughly answering his question.
Agreed. Well said.
@CaptainFatBat,
Dead on bro. You are so correct. He shouldn’t have even started the argument if he was just going to walk out like that. What was the point?
Dude I don’t know what you are talking about he destroyed frank made him look like a fool than performed a mic drop.
That's what happens when they hear the truth from Frank 👍
I respect how even after the guy left, he still addressed his point.
I still think he likes cake more then pie
@@bigcountrymountainman9740 yup!😂😂
@@bigcountrymountainman9740 No, he loves both. Those rolls don't lie.
He addressed a strawman, not the actual point.
Matthew Dixon, why not talk about him with love and respect?
This man just attended the event to try to one up Frank. Which he failed miserably.
He even admitted he spoke out during the presentation which means he was particularly unruly. For someone who "lacks belief" the guy's seemed so invested and very very passionate about it. He even watches a lot of Frank's debates. 🤣
Einstein called the Bible "Primitive legend"
What else but religion could make grown adults believe in talking bushes, snakes and donkeys?
@@upturnedblousecollar5811 That's a non-arguement, borderline ad hominem.
The bible is some 80% historical accounts of events that can be verified through other sources, up to and including Ancient Roman government authority. We know a giant flood happened, we know Jesus existed, the ten commandsments and the Judeo-Christian ethic are what lead to one of the most prosperous and successful lands in all of human history, to say nothing of the legal and moral groundwork of all of western Europe. Without the church most of modern science (The academia in particular) would not exist. Some of the greatest thinkers throughout history, Keplar, Newton, so on were all massive believers.
You hate religion, just be honest in that, and walk away.
Well if a monkey can learn sign language and Dogs can understand human commands... The only question I would be asking, if I seen a donkey or a snake start talking is who trained them to speak because that's not nothing we didn't accomplish already as humans ... Only thing that would surprise me is if they did something that humanity didn't do already... Then it would be a huge surprise, like Jesus rising up from the dead after 3 days and over 500 witnesses claiming to see Jesus alive... If someone told me a donkey and a snake can do that then it will definitely surprise me...
@@nobodyhere34those alegedly 500 witnesses are worth nothing.
I like how mature Frank is he didn't get angry at Scott's rudeness
That Holy Spirit at work!
“Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.” Colossians 4:6
These people always try to use big words to sound smart. Paul warns us being prideful in our own knowledge, it will be our downfall believer or not.
Paul warned against marriage too. Do you follow Jesus or do you follow Paul?
@@miconis123 Paul also spoke about getting married so you dont fall into sexual sin
@@maow9240 Marriage was Plan B to Paul if you couldn't resist. I hear he was somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps but that might have been Jesus.
@@miconis123 like I said Paul spoke about getting married so you dont fall into sexual sin. The bible says its not good for man to live alone.
@@jhart9272 the bible doesnt say to only read the bible. The bible itself says to prove all things hold fast that which is good
Scott has such a strong belief in what he doesn't believe. 😂
A contradiction in itself
Really proves turek’s book title “It takes too much faith to be an atheist”
@@5.s.m311 based
What's more truthful then having a strong belief in not knowing
He needs stronger faith to be in that position
"I'm good at debating. I've won many in my head so this should be easy."
Is this a self report?
@@mattslater2603 yes. I'm a master debater.
@@DS-ld8ns and I’m a masturbator
🤣
"I smash my keyboards attacking christians online so obviously I'm a genius"
"They only have to show that your arguments aren't correct or are fallacious."
So basically showing up, saying they disagree, and then leaving. Sort of how you did with this event, huh Scott?
Skeptics: give me a thousand proofs or reasons.
Theist: here are a thousand.
Skeptics: well we need 1001 before we accept it.
@@ruthgar8 Protestants do the same thing with the Catholic Church.
@@ruthgar8 I'll take one, dude. Go for it
@@DrunkenHotei Do you agree with the self defeating claim that everything can be empirically proven despite this claim never being empirically proven ? Answering yes means you are devoid of any sound logic answering no means a necessary God COULD exist something no atheist will admit and thus like a stubborn fool they will agree with the claim displaying their lack of sound logic or for the rare dissagrment with the claim they will then proceed to ask for an empirical proof which again merely displays unsound logic on the part of the atheist.
The one reason you are looking for is actually several but here they are,
1.Every contingent fact has an explanation.
2.There is a contingent fact that includes all other contingent facts.
3.Therefore, there is an explanation of this fact.
4.This explanation must involve a necessary being.
5.This necessary being is God.
Ive given you more than you asked now you have two options convert to theism or show us how bad faith you truly are.....
@@ruthgar8 you have none besides the fact that it makes you feel better and the fact that your brain is wonky
I’m living through the guy cringing in the background 💀
SAME LOLL
The Sun (of God) will set this evening.....When THE SUN RETURNS (tomorrow) the MORNING STAR will RISE FROM THE EAST,it will SAVE MAN from darkness because it is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD,it will be SEEN COMING THROUGH THE CLOUDS with its CROWN of sun rays,as it's shimmer WALKS ON WATER,and when the daylight is longer in duration than the nite and the Sun is fully RESURRECTED (EASTER,springtime) it will RAISE THE DEAD trees,grasses,flowers etc as it TRAVELS ABOUT THE WORLD with its 12* constellations HEALING THE SICK...then as the days get shorter and shorter in duration all the way till Dec 21st when the day lengths are equal in duration for 3 days..then on December 25 the day lengths start getting longer in duration and the 🌞 is reborn..
We are in the Solar age of Pisces TWO FISH..
Jesus Christ is the personification of the Sun...
Travels about the world healing the sick...
There is a word for it..
personification
[per-son-uh-fi-key-shuh n]
noun
the attribution of HUMAN nature or character to animals, inanimate objects, or abstract notions, especially as a rhetorical figure..
A NASA personified tale about the spaceship...HE flies up into the heavens.burning through HIS mother's grasp,opening HIMSELF releasing us from inside HIM into heaven.. Decode that 2,000 years from now. ;)
The story of death and "rebirth"..The ACTUAL new year.
When I die the microorganisms in me will change roles and decompose the cells and tissues,and go back into the earth as dust ALIVE.
My soul energy will return to its source the fiery Sun to BURN FOR ETERNITY.
Getting sufficient Sun exposure is vital for optimal health,there are rules though!!!!!
Ecclesiastes 11:7
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun:
Sungazing is literally looking directly into the Sun at sunrise and or sunset barefoot (grounded) starting at 10 seconds the first time,and adding 10 seconds every day until you are up to 45 minutes.
*Religion is complete fraud*
All "mythology" is personified stories about the Sun,moon,planets,star constellations and heavenly bodies. The latest is the Christian mythology about the Sun,moon,planets,star constellations and heavenly bodies. Watch a couple episodes of this old TV series and you will listen to wonderful personified stories about the Sun,moon,planets,star constellations,and heavenly bodies.
Star Hustler 1980s TV show
Eat his flesh..
When I look at an apple I realize that the vitamin C is literally electrons that the tree converted from the sun and stored in the fruit...
God's Sun is in the flesh of the Apple im eating..
The 🌞 is the reason for the seasons..
The 🌞 rises in the east.
The 🌞 is the light of the world.
The 🌞 is the morning star.
The 🌞 reflection walks on water.
The 🌞 can be seen coming through the clouds.
The 🌞 has a crown of sun rays.
The 🌞 travels the world healing the sick...all cancer patients are vitamin D deficient. Vitamin D repairs mitochondria+ a thousand other biological functions.
The 🌞 will save you from the cold scary darkness.
The Sun,the morning star,light of the world,rising from the east,coming through the clouds,saving us from darkness,crown of Sun rays,its shimmer walking on water,traveling the sky healing the sick,raising the dead trees grasses,flowers....and that's the real reason there is only one set of footprints in the sand...because you are walking with the Sun.....God's Sun....you keep God....you just lose man's religion....
The older the book the more revealing..
*I had to delete all links or it won't post"
@@soldieroftoughlove7635 New Age deception at its finest.
@@soldieroftoughlove7635 😴boring
@@PrinceDarius777
Religion is the deception?
He wasn't seeking truth.He was just trying to embarrass frank.And I don't think he understands the rest of the audience has probably watched more of Frank's videos than he has. This gentleman actually embarrassed himself.
He's being selective on what's Frank's saying. He grabs a little part of Frank's argument and then try to imply contradiction with fancy words (As you can see he struggles with it).
Frank's main argument was: "I think theism best explains reality, because there should be a main source (God) that gives us atributes that couldn't be engineered automatically and by nothing".
The dude's argument: "God doesn't exist. Atheism just rejects the claim of theism, nothing more".
...Basically his using the Strawman Fallacy, nothing new. The main topic of the debate is "What better explains reality? Theism or Atheism?". The atheist failed + tries hard to not acknowledge it.
Robert Conrad, if you’re an agnostic atheist, 9 times out of 10 you are in fact seeking truth. Speaking facts does not equate to embarrassing oneself.
Actually its Frank that it extremely dismissive and rude.
Agreed. He had no real point to make other than "I don't like your beliefs", which is not the same as disproving them.
@@justinlast1795 exactly
There is a massive difference between intellectual debate and laziness. You might can poke holes through an argument but not having a viable counter argument is like going the wrong way on a one way street, without your car, in rush hour.
Not having a position at a intellectually honest when there isn’t enough information
All you need to do is poke holes through an argument if someone is making it, you literally don’t need one of your own, which atheist don’t, that’s why the burden of proof is on the one making the claim
@@WayneJohn-fq6cnif you are going to call someone out, as was done in this video, you are no longer in a position of saying you have no belief. A belief in a negative is still a belief. The action of arguing removes you from what is called agnostic to firm atheism. Now you must defend your assertion, whether that means defending your position of God’s existence or just that the speaker is a liar. Either way, it is lazy to go up and say “your wrong, there are many reasons why, but I am not going to discuss any of them.”
True agnosticism doesn’t care if believers believe or non-believers don’t. It is only certain of waiting until their is proof one way or the other and calls out no one. The moment you choose to engage someone in conversation and set yourself against their claims then you started a debate. That is a technical term. In a debate both sides have a burden of proof to make their case.
That is not to say there isn’t another form of agnosticism. Such a thing exists in some adults but often children who stick their fingers deep into their ears, lob their arguments and claim that no evidence is worth their time.
@@jerrybarry562 it is a factual answer; on that you are right. Being ignorant and apathetic is a factual truth. However, when you show up to an event that is Christian theology based, you are not going to get away with that lazy answer. That would be like a Christian showing up to a Neil deGrasse Tyson event, to argue with him and then say that they don’t know the sciences. That is just plain foolish. There are quite a number of us faith based believers that also study the sciences. So when we interact with Christians with those lazy answers, I give them no less talk than I am giving you here. Now if you are okay with people making your position look weak with that lazy answer or you are okay with that lazy answer, go do it.
@@jerrybarry562I have made my statements very clear. In the video, I see an uneducated, lazy mind that wants to rebel against someone who has studied their field of study. Going back to Neil, I would never suggest a lazy mind go debate him about science. Frank has arrived at his position through study. There are things in science that are so amazing and extraordinary that only study begins to help people to understand. Those that don’t want to do that say, “I don’t know” and are satisfied. I’m not. It’s lazy. Now, you can continue to post here, but I know you won’t accept anything I say. You sure don’t seem to be the type to do the study yourself. Frankly, I am not here to educate you. Go be lazy.
Irritates me that believers in the crowd are laughing at their fellow brother who's simply decieved and in need of the truth. War is not against flesh and blood, we should find ZERO humor in those who are currently destined to hell. What on earth is funny about the devil confusing somebody? This guy could have not even stood up to ask a question, could have not even been in the room! He's clearly stated he isn't 100% sure God is real, he did NOT say "God does NOT exist". This guy is innocently trying to find the truth, which is what us as believers in Christ do too! We shouldn't be laughing and mocking non believers. They can't help that the truth is not in them if they know no different.... It's OUR job to help them and bring them to Christ, it's NOT our job to laugh at them. Satan is already laughing at this man, why on earth should we join the devil's crowd and claim we follow Christ at the same time? It's hypocasry. Learn from it, listen carefully to these people instead of laughing and you might figure out exactly how to help get them saved through Jesus Christ. Laughing and condemning is shutting the door FOR THEM, stop it at once. Pray for them, do not cast mockery.
In my experience atheists are not innocently trying to find the truth. I've been watching the God debate for a long time now and the "I just lack a belief" didn't used to be a thing. They used to be confident that faith was just a "God of the gaps" and mock theists for being foolish and naive. I think the "I just lack belief" thing is a response to how theist apologetics have risen in response to materialist naturalism. It suddenly wasn't so easy to mock anymore when the theists started arguing back, and from my observation that is where the "I just lack belief" comes from - it's a way to attack theists without having to assume a burden of proof. When not being put on the defensive, the "I just lack belief" folks act exactly like the "Only losers belief in a sky daddy" folks of the past. Kind of like how the definition of racism changed from "prejudice" to "prejudice + power" once people started getting pushback for accusing white people of being racists for things they let other groups get away with and needed an excuse for it.
@@patrickbarnes9874 your "experience" and the truth and reality for a lot of people aren't the same thing buddy
Nah
As the Bible teaches, God's existence is clear. The atheist is willfully ignorant.
@@terminat1 not true, the athiest is decieved and persuaded some athiests to be willfully ignorant. War is not against flesh and blood. The Bible itself doesn't teach anything, the Bible is just a book. The word is what teaches, and the word has precise contexts
This man has some patience! God bless him.
True
Frank Turek has a lot of patience indeed!
true
He dont even believe in god
I need to practice this.
They need to give whoever is making these thumbnails a raise lol
Haha seriously though 😜😂😭
😂
😂😂😂😂😂 for real lollllll
For what reason? Mockery? Seems like it's just a foolish way to spread the gospel
@@jessygayosso149 True. Not a godly way
Typical atheist. He wants to throw definitions out all day and when taken to task he tries to make it look like the opponent is philosophically, and mentally unequipped to answer a question.
its so interesting this particual guy who walked out was fighting another battle. which was based on pride...his aim was really "im smarter than mr. turek" it was never a debate about what is true but more a contest of who is smarter...which was not what mr. turek is here for....making this particular athiest appear both arrogant and unfortunately dumb.
Just because you think someone's wrong doesn't mean they are arguing to gain intellectual dominance. People shouldn't just assume someone's thoughts like this, geez Louise.
@@ninjakidkat12 watch the video again. And ask yourself what is his point? What is his argument. Listen to tureks points. And his response, this is not the first convo they have had, listen to there previous one if you can find it. My statement is far from an assumption. Am I willing to be wrong? Of course. But I make this statement from the specifics of this conversation-debate and there previous. Though your statement can be generally true for sure. I am not making a general statement. It’s an opinion I am stating based on what I’m listening, interpreting and understanding. So there is no need for the geese Louise, everything is fine take it easy 😊 it’s ok to have an opinion, ironically that is what the video is about is it not? And finally you have come to the wrong assertion. It’s not that I think he is wrong that I have come to that conclusion it’s simply what I perceive in his manner, attitude and the way he walks off. Wrong or correct is not my issue here. My issue is far more intriguing. What motivated that man in that argument. And what I have stated earlier is my conclusion. Not the matter that you have spoken about concerning if you don’t agree it means it’s a battle of intelligence. Far from it. Have a nice day 🤝
@@TheAndrewanyanwu are you okay? He started with a question. This wasn't a debate, this was Turek giving a talk, probably about why atheists should believe in God or some of the other like, 6 things he gives presentations on. Dude wanted to know why he believed, and Turek started in about how atheism means he believes he has no belief there is a god.
Confirmation bias at its finest here.
@@Thoron_of_Neto lol I’m very well.
@@TheAndrewanyanwu clearly. Just gonna ignore the whole rest of the comment then?
This Guy's version of atheism is more of an example of that "one person" in a group project. That is always ready to tell people their wrong or their ideas won't work but , they themselves don't provide a better answer.
@Matt Smith
Your statement would cause us to go in circles in a debate so what I am asking for is that we both state our claims. Eg
I say Superman can defeat all DC characters because of 123. Then instead of you just telling he can't or why he can't, you bring a character that can beat him, and say it's because of 123.
This way we can truly move forward, because if you found a stronger character and beat me then I would go and find a stronger character to beat the one you brought. And by continuously doing this we would finally find the strongest character together.
If we do it like this we would not be going in circles fighting against each other BUT we would actually be growing and actively reaching the best answer together.
Truth
@Matt Smith What it means is support your argument or get off the crapper Atheist.....Dont just shoot down arguments without supporting your counter argument...
@@electricspark5271 enough said!
I mean to be fair, you don't need to be a chef to know the food tastes bad. You can criticize a bad idea for being a bad idea without being smart enough to put forth a better one, but in real-life practicality, it does make you very hard to work with, yeah. If you don't have a well of good ideas, you should *at least* have a filter for the bad ones if you ask me.
I've been watching these types of debates between theist apologists and atheists for the past 5 years. Here's my brief take away. Apologists try to reconcile metaphysical reality with physical reality. Athiests who are materialists or naturalists try to reduce everything down to science. There are two things that science can't do. Science doesn't cause anything, only describes the law of physics (John Lennox). Science doesn't replace the human condition, it only helps supplement our understanding of it. A metaphysical mind and consciousness has to exist first before science and philosophy can even be explored.
William Lane Craig helped convert me from agnostic to a theistic rationalist. I do attend a Methodist Church with my wife. I have Asperger's so it was important to me to connect the dots logically before I could explore my spiritual side.
Great to hear my friend or shall I say brother😊 God bless you and your wife
Bravo. Atheists have a way of being in love with their own intellect. It’s very disturbing. I keep trying to hear their arguments, but every time I just feel like I’ve been bludgeoned (cue the large words to make myself look more intelligent than everyone else in the room) repeatedly in my cranium, mandible and abdomen.
Anything is possible, if you exit the realm of reality. So you can imagine whatever you want. Whatever claim you want. I can create a claim, that Bible's God is liar and nobody can refute that.
The other thing science can't do is explain the origin of life. James Tour will explain for you.
"Theistic rationalist."
Welp, sounds like you're almost halfway there. I wish you clear understanding of the truth for the rest of your journey.
In my estimation The fellow has never been in a real debate before. If he had, he would have understood how they work. His frustration came from not having an actual case for his belief to make.
What belief would that be?
@@ThePurpleGoose023 We get how it works, its just you abuse it so that the only person that has to show proof is the theists. The atheist must present a case in a debate about God's existence. The theist has the burden of proof, but the atheist has the _burden of refutation_ something you guys CANNOT fulfill in any reasonable manner without rhetoric or fallacious reasoning.
@@TheSpacePlaceYT there is nothing such as "the burden of reutation". Theists are the ones making a claim.
I used to be a proud atheist and their world view is cohesive. It makes sense. The door out of that kind of worldview doesn’t open with logic and reason. I tried for almost a decade. Many atheists are upset with the church because there is no perfect church. They are often seeking the real thing. You have to come with love. Selfless love. The well studied atheist like this guy doesn’t need any new information, he needs a moment of sincerity from BELIEVERS to open him up to God. If an atheist is going out of his way to argue with a believer, it might be because the atheist has been searching very hard in the world for God but hasn’t found Him in any of His so-called believers. Show an atheist the fruits of your faith by loving him.
Reminds me of the Brennan Manning quote... The single biggest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out and deny him with their lifestyle. This is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.
beautifully put. I believe there is no such thing as an atheist, we all want to believe in God but some of us wind up getting more hurt than others. “Atheism” or running from God is purely a coping mechanism. They brag they live by reason and logic, but it’s just a front because they’ve been hurt by their own emotions- they don’t want to be emotional anymore, love to them has been broken by this broken world, so they resort to thinking “logic and the human ego will get be through life”. But when you approach them with these well formatted debates you’ll find their opinions aren’t led by reason and logic at all, but emotion. Which is okay, that’s the point. Some of them won’t admit this, but they just want to be loved and feel accepted in this dark world. But looking for love in all the wrong places and never returning to the church because some churches/Christians don’t represent Christ accurately and have ruined the faith for them. But I still have hope, and so does Frank Turek. The ultimate goal isn’t to win a debate, or even be logically “superior”, but to help them recognize their own trauma and show them there is an infinite God who loves them unconditionally, no matter what they’ve done.
Interesting he used cake and pie as an example...
Stoppppp😂😂😂
Not cool man am a big chubby guy who loves pie and cakes.... speaking of which let me grab a piece
He likes both cake and pie. He's a living example that atheism isn't a worldview.
The gordo man ran away because he remembered that he had 8 cakes and 10 pies at home, ready to be eaten after dinner.
🤣🤣🤣 bruh I was thinking the same thing
Scott could have been more receptive, he was pretty rude. Everytime the dr tried to answer the question scott would shoot down his answer while talking over him and bring up diffrent questions.
It's hard to think straight if your thoughts are full of cakes and pie recipes.
@@worl9830 jesus
@Sheldon Cooper You're right. Atheists like to criticize theists when theists give their reasons for beliefs but when asked the same or similar questions concerning their own reasons for their own beliefs, atheists suddenly do not want to be as willing to give their own reasons for their own beliefs and therefore they make excuses for this hypocritical behavior so as not to be criticized themselves.
Excuses include the following:
- "I don't have to answer that.....BUT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER ME!"
- "I don't know.....BUT I KNOW IT CAN'T BE GOD!
- "That's an unanswerable question....BUT I KNOW IT ISN'T GOD!"
*avoidance and deflection...the tactic of one who has lost the argument before it even began*
@@frankpontone2139 Mostly the responses I hear atheists say is that they don’t have to give any explanations because their statement isn’t a belief but fact. They have thoroughly convinced themselves that the debate is already closed and solved, which is ridiculous because that isn’t true. No matter how much I explain to them that it’s still an open case that people are allowed to make a choice on, they refuse to admit that.
I guess I can only understand that because if it’s not a closed case, then it’s obvious that the better choice would be to believe in theism which promises humankind a future and eternal life and good triumphing over evil and the world being renewed with no more death or suffering than to choose to believe that death is just a normal process and eventually everything including the universe is going to not exist anymore.
One belief offers hope while the other despair.
So I guess of course they can’t accept that it’s still an option to believe in theism, because it would be really depressing and kind of warped to choose to believe in no hope and despair over the possibility of a future for us.
I'm surprised he isn't wearing a fedora.
The dude behind him… totally feel what he feels man. Seeing destruction in front of you can be quite interesting, depending on the circumstance.
Grown men believing in an invisible superhero that they read about in a book. You religious people love your invisible superheroes, don't you?
I mean you can call anything destruction, doesn't mean it is. All I saw here was a good back and forth between two points of view.
@@siobhancrawley1487 Yes, yes I would say I do.
@@siobhancrawley1487while you people are so desperately sad to believe that nothing created everything.
God bless Frank Turek
What is blessing?
@@johnmakovec5698 Welcome to the party, Jan. Nice of you to show up. Grab a seat and make yourself comfortable. How are the wife and kids?
A blessing is a spell cast by a low level druid or priest. Useful in raids.
Jan Makovec A blessing is a spell cast by a low level druid or priest. Useful in raids
Which god?
0:06
Camera: * focus on Frank *
Frank: * ight imma head out *
Lol
Omegalol
That was super funny bro XDDD
Lol
Sadly, stubbornness, and an unwillingness to hear a logical argument will lead a lot of people to hell.
When you thought you could handle a debate like an adult but decided that required too much effort🤣
When you realize that you're debating with children who can only argue in pointless semantics and linguistical loopholes
@@IwanNieuwland pointless semantics : "I DONT HAVE A WORLDVIEW"
@@contact594and they shouldn't believe that a random explosion created everything. Now that's naiveness to the core.
@@contact594 God was always there since He transcends time and space. Unlike your random explosion which had a beginning. Takes so much faith to become an atheist lol.
@@contact594 But scientists agree that the universe had a beginning, including the big bang. Let's look at it this way. Big bang= creation. God= creator. Therefore, it is different. Also, nice job there assuming what god or gods I believe in. You sure are using a lot of faith here defending your worldview. At least we have that in common lol.
Bible: The wicked flee when no man pursueth...
Me: Now I see it..🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
He finished that verse too by saying that Frank was “lion” 😂
Facts!
gotta love Proverbs
HAHAHAAAAAAA this is it!
Betty Crocker: "Add two beaten eggs." There you have equivalence numb-skull.
You cannot quote a passage from a book of fiction to assert that the authors of a book of fiction are correct.
"Professing to be wise, they became fools" Romans 1:22
@Fred Bloggs .....a fool says in his heart "there is no God"
The creation points towards a Creator so deny at least the possibly of a Creator is utter foolishness.
@J w Yes, you could be more accurate about atheism. You seem to only understand projection. And have no clue about the position of atheism.
wow you hit this right on the button !!!!!
and you realise that is an empty quotation. Of course he would say that just as Atheists may consider Theists to be fools.
1969cmp, hallo. Do you ever call people idiots, or anything like that?
I love how non believers like to ask the believers “why & how “ . But when the believers flip it on them, they fold and say “ IDK “. Well….. why debate then?? Exactly!!! Be a detective.
The point is that 'I don't know' is often the most honest and true answer anyone can give. It's far more reasonable to sit on the fence than be guilty of wishful thinking.
@@darcymr353 True but at the end of the day, no one TRULY Knows. So if we’re never in our lifetime ( meaning now ) not gonna TRULY know then I don’t see anything wrong with taking a stance and living by that belief. Either way, as a believer or not. Just take a stance and live accordingly. See believers generally just live as if God exist and they don’t waste time trying to convince non believers otherwise. They’ll do their Christian duty and try and spread the gospel. They don’t make it their mission to convince non believers. Atheist on the other hand have a hard time with this and they almost want confirmation and it’s an ongoing struggle for them. They make it their mission to disprove the Gospel, particularly Christianity and it’s something they’re always looking for confirmation on.
First time you've ever seen a reddit atheist leave his house
😂
He's a super popular Christian hater on that forum. He thought he'd crush Frank with his psuedo intellectual snobbery. Instead he threw a temper and stormed off. He's really going to lay into Christians now. Look out here comes a self righteous keyboard warrior.
“The wicked run away when no one is chasing them, but the godly are as bold as lions.”
Proverbs 28:1 NLT
The original Greek translation says “”but the honest are brave as lions”.
It’s a seemingly superficial yet important distinction.
@Dawaza The old atheist straw man. You can’t understand life & death, the process of germination, the transformation required, & how it provides life.
Atheists are one of the great revelations, consistently confirming, & affirming the very thing they reject.
“That is why I use these parables, For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand. Just as the Bible says, “This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says, ‘When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend. For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes- so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.’”
Matthew 13:14-15 NLT
I am fed up with those christians. the guy is using more reason than that so called professor. Atheism is just about not believing in something and it is not believing that god does not exist, it is saying we dont know, nothing else
@@snowdolphvov4193 No that’s agnosticism, atheism is non-belief, particularly non-belief in deity or God.
@@xtronkillmaster2517 I dont know much about definitions, but if that is so they believe that god does not exist and that is same as believing in its existence
"I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God." *~Abraham Lincoln*
Never knew he said that, very gud quote
And now his watch has ended. He is dead. He lives just as memory.
Amen.
Amen. Beautiful quote.
And now that man can now look down upon the earth , I wonder what Lincoln’s opinion might be today .
@@usray3219 Rolling in his grave. How his party, his country, and his faith have twisted into something they are not.
He literally wrote a book about atheists having faith. That's how clueless he is. He never does well in the Q&A. He'll take the faithful's money though.
@Seventh Ah an ad hominem. Well done. Apologetics confirmed.
@Seventh ignorant theist confirmed lmffao
Faith is just another work for belief
Everyone believes something, that is the point that Frank makes
I believe God exists, some people believe God does not exist, some people believe that we can't know if God exists, some people believe we can't prove if God exists or not,
EVERYONE BELIEVES SOMETHING EVERYONE HAS FAITH IN SOMETHING We ALL BELIEVE SOMETHING
However our belief does not create reality, what is real is real , our faith does not change reality. Either God exists or he doesn't, Do you believe that something can come from nothing?
@@doug-says Well, there are 3 fairly distinct meanings of faith. It's a bait and switch trick from the speaker here. You're talking about what I would call trust or confidence, which everyone has of course. In the religious faith sense, I don't have any- that's atheism- simply a lack of faith. No.
He cannot offer an explanation for his godless love.
What on earth are you talking about kiddy?
This should be very simple for anyone to understand, of course atheism is a worldview. Call it lack of belief or whatever you want but regardless it is a worldview if you don't believe that God exists then you believe that life came from non-life and that a cosmic accident caused the universe to come into existence.
*That is a worldview*
They’re attempting to escape the responsibility of defending their worldview by conflating it with their disbelief in the biblical Christian worldview. Atheism is not merely a lack in the biblical Christian worldview, as proven by the fact that atheists have existed in places and times where Christians didn’t.
In a nutshell, the atheist worldview is that that there is no Creator God.
@The fact of Evolution why dont you tell us what your worldview is, as you know where Christian's stand... It doesnt matter what we think your values are... its irrelevant right? Your just a mutated slime that somehow evolved into fish, apes, then humans... what values should slime have?
@The fact of Evolution Oh wow, "evolution" is just a lack a belief in God. No wonder we can't question it.
@The fact of Evolution Your username "Evolution" proves my point. Atheism is a world view that the universe and life doesn't need an intelligent designer such as God to explain why it's all here.
To those who make fun of the atheist being overweight, that would be like my saying something about Frank wearing glasses.
This is just _one_ atheist among many. He doesn't represent atheists.
This is just _one_ Christians among many. He doesn't represent Christians.
Why can't people be mature and focus on the things that are really important instead of being distracted by details that don't even matter?
@Caramel Johnson You didn't get my point because that still has NOTHING to do with atheism or Christians. Obese Christians exist too. There is a video of an obese Christian lady who freaks out about atheism and tarot cards to the point of hysteria.
as a christian, ithurts me to see people making fun of his weight.
good thoughts, cheers for sharing.
@Caramel Johnson another good indicator of psychological problems is justifying holding a lesser view of someone just because of their lifestyle, and both of these things are unquantifiable, as psychological problems is a broad term with vast differences in definition between people. It's also irrelevant, as having mental issues does not determine the core of your character. If a man never takes care of his own property and it's disheveled, but he puts all his effort into doing a good job at his place of work and in his interactions with others socially, is he of poor character? Likewise, if a man is physically fit and eats healthy, but feels that it's perfectly acceptable to demean and think less of another because of their health and body decisions, does that mean he is of good character?
Your concept of character is also pointless, because you haven't defined it. What IS character, and how is it relevant to being rude or kind to another person?
I saw ONE comment implying he should have exercised.
Wearing glasses and being extremely overweight are nowhere near the same thing. One is life threatening, and the other is not.
Courtroom trial - the defence and the prosecution make their cases to the jury. If the jury decide prosecution is insufficient, defendant is found not guilty, there is zero burden on the jury to come up with a better explanation.
Yeah the "Detective" analogy was pretty cringe.
The dude stormed out because he was HUNGRY! And his ankles were killing him after standing there at the mic, holding up that morbidly obese body for 10 minutes...LOL
Aw that’s not kind :/
Ngl, I did laugh at this comment....but show mercy bro lmaooo 😂😂
I'm sorry for you that this is the way you think
that guy: "I lack belief"
also that guy: "I don't believe you"
That didnt make sense to u?? Someone who lacks belief leans on the side of not believing
@@marvyae23 then explain what u believe in as what frank said
@@vibe6968 he doesn't thats the point thats always the point most atheists dont believe in the gods thats presented without real evidence not stories re-written by people who took it from people who wrote it that weren't the people who lived it but decided to write it and expect us to just believe it all
@@vibe6968 he believes that the Bible doesn't have enough real truth that can be proving for it to be true thats his belief
@@marvyae23 The thing is,disbelief is still a form of belief.Saying "I don't believe in a God" doesn't really have anything to do with God's existence,meaning you have the burden of proof onto how the world is created within atheistic worldview.
Usually walking away in the middle of a conversation indicates that you lost or refuse to address the problem the other speaker is proposing.
@Michael Ramos
Peace be upon you. I hope this channel doesn't hide / delete what I put forth. The question is:
Who is The Only True God as per the testimony of Jesus Christ himself?
A) The Father
B) The Son
C) The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit - The Trinity
D) The Holy Spirit
Please answer the above question. Shall appreciate.
Please REMEMBER:
Answering with something which is not asked is only gonna bring the question back in all fairness. With all due respect, I am not asking for your opinion or your belief. I am asking for the testimony of Jesus Christ himself. Please substantiate your answer by quoting Jesus Christ himself.
Here is the explicit testimony that Jesus Christ himself gave:
“And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom YOU have sent.”
John 17:3
See!
"YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD".
"YOU"... Jesus is very clearly talking to a different entity - the Father - and saying that it is YOU who is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Jesus Christ gave the testimony that the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.”
Have another look!
".... TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD"
Not only is God Jesus’ Father, exactly like he is the Father of all, the relationship is not unique to Jesus, but He is also his GOD. Jesus has a God who is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. He himself testifies in the words that he himself said.
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My position as a Muslim agrees. Of course the term Father in the Jewish context. Metaphorical. NOT that God has a literal Son. God has got Son by the Ton in the Bible.
usually, but not always. sometimes you walk away frustrated that the person with the microphone more than once misrepresents what you're saying, even after being corrected on it. If the other side isn't listening, what's the sense in sticking around?!
yes, usually, but not in this case. (or did you watch the wrong video?) it's pretty shameful that someone should try to say the guy "stormed out". let’s rehearse the facts: red shirt dude mischaracterises and misdefines the word “atheist”. Fat guy corrects him. Red shirt guy doubles down and uses word incorrectly again, while getting loud about it. then 3:45 red shirt dude says “in order to have this discussion, you must know the answer to X, Y, and Z”, fat dude corrects him and says you don’t, and that red shirt guy couldn’t possibly know either and points out starting with the presupposition that his god exists, is a logical fallacy. at 4:13 red shirt guy doubles down and gets loud again. At 4:30 fat guy corrects red shirt guy once again. Clearly the guy in red shirt had an agenda, and didn’t like to be called out on it. saying that he “stormed out” is laughable. Talking louder than someone else doesn’t magically make you win an argument. at 6:20, red shirt guy lies yet again. you DO *NOT* have to show evidence for your side if you refute the claim or show that the other’s argument is a fallacy.
@Frances Snowflake he wanted him to explain how the universe worked. Athiesm is just the rejection of evidence there is a God. Example being emagine if you were a viking back in the day and believed in the Norse gods. I can reject your clame even though I did not have an explanation for lightning.
or.. the person is lying and you can't stand it anymore
What I find funny is that athiest's don't believe in the story of creation but believe in the big bang theory. Little do they know that the big bang theory was a Catholic priest by the name of Georges Lemaitre.
Reasoning with an atheist is like playing chess with a dove. He will knock down all the pieces and crap all over the board and flies away thinking he is the rational one.
"Convince me". 90 seconds later walks away in the middle of the response.
Ttruckk
Because Frank kept lying.
you are lying
REALITY: Frank wasn't listening to him. Frank wasn't in the middle of a response, he just repeated the straw man, only louder the 2nd time. There was no point in staying as frank didn't acknowledge him, frank had an agenda and wasn't interested in listening
Frances Snowflake 😂
How can one be convinced when your words aren’t even taken into account and all that is happening is a bunch of pivoting to different points.
Fool: "You keep using the term 'salty peanuts' and I am here to teach you that salt is not a peanut."
Frank can say 'atheistic worldview' without implying that atheism is a worldview; 'atheistic' is used as and adjective to modify the term 'worldview'... just like 'salty peanuts' does NOT mean 'salt is a peanut'.
The fact that big guy stood up for the entire video is proof of God's power.
🤣🤣🤣
Fuhhhhhhhh. Lmao
Repent
Judgment lol true Christian mentality
Christian folks will do anything to make themselves seem as the only real religion. It’s demographic and they won’t admit it. Bible was made by many men and edited by many of men and controlled by many of men but somehow there’s a god in that. Funny and simple.
I thought Frank is a hot headed man but hey he's so patient even make a gesture like this 🙏 telling that guy that he can email him for more explanation.. he even keep speaking in calm manner.. so much respect to Frank Turek 🙌
That's because Turek will never answer a single email that he cannot counter. How gullible are you?
The evasion of direct confrontation is key to his survival.
If your God exist, then your God is a wimpy God. Keep it real, pal. All those ridiculous books have all been disproved and you keep blindly believing.
How come God created all creatures on Earth at the same time and yet he fails to mention dangerous gigantic creatures like Dinosaurs and Mammoth that can kill a human being so easily?
How come he can measure time in the unit of days before there is a sun?
Come on, man? Claiming your wrong and vague religion over another wrong and vague religion is just kind of sick, don't you think? Because whatever religion fail to disprove your religion, you're equally fail to disprove their religion.
How do you know your God created the Universe? There's another religion claimed their God created the Universe. Make belief?
Turek would crumble under direct confrontation, that's why he's so afraid of them. All of this 5 minute question is simple scheme to beat around the bush. Somebody ask a question, Turek gives a vague answer, the host announced that it's out of time and reject a follow up and therefore nobody gets anywhere.
Keep it real, homie.
When a person walks out during debate, they lost.
Atheist can deny the sovereignty of GOD, but they will answer that when the time comes when every knee will bow before GOD.
So true.
infinitiGjj The person talking to the ignorant who will never listen to what you say, their only choice is to walk away. For some people, especially those who want to make an argument that a water bottle can be atheist, they will never listen to what that guy had to say. So, after a conversation, he walked away knowing nothing was coming out of talking to the religious guy. Believe in whatever you want, your prerogative. But I will not believe in outlandish claims with no evidence...
Well if Frank was just going to dodge and lie, what would be the purpose of sticking around?
Will sky Daddy spank us?
LOL!
*_Matthew 11.28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."_*
_Jesus Christ loves you. Repent and be saved. Only Jesus Christ saves. God bless you, and the grace of God be upon you and your family in the name of Jesus Christ_
Prove it.
Jesus will break every chain.
What does the age of the book have to do with anything? Its age indicates nothing about whether it speaks truth or falsehood, unless one of the things it says is, "This book was written in the year 1342" and its age is KNOWN to be 5-years-old.
But job explain those big creatures in verses they must extinct or hit by Tectonic plates or earthquake Read(Job 40: 80).... Homo sapiens is not human being.
that's why evolution ended, that change it what god says in Genesis 1:14 seperated...
Einstien Won't believe athiest either.
It's adorable that christians think they won this one. Frank didn't even address the guy's statement, he just started talking about water bottles and detectives. What is an "atheistic world view"? What even is a "world view"? You could find great differences in world views among believers, between denominations, between regions, and especially of those who believe in a different god. Likewise you could find atheists and believers that share very similar viewpoints in almost everything save the existence of gods. So as usual the apologist skirts the question, avoids constructive discussion, and reverts to ridiculous analogies that have nothing to do with the topic in question.
Great job, Frank. I felt you had him cornered and, he did not know what to say.
Did you watch the video -- he responded very well. It was Mr. Turek jumping around to find reasons for his screwed up points of view. The just accept it because it's true doctrine.
"aight imma head out"
😂😂😂😂
“I don’t want to overwhelm Frank with too many facts.”
@@mrrickstur translation: I don't want to overwhelm Frank with my feelings.
@@yasiem6245 facts, not feelings lol
@@mrrickstur feelings. That's why he walked away because he couldn't handle his emotions.
Dude got bodied. Horribly, which is why he stormed off. He must not know how debating works. Lol.
@demigodzilla When Dr. Frank wss responding and he walked off.
He got strawmanned. He made acouple of points, got ignored, and the response he got had nothing to do with his point. This guy dodges questions and distracts while making other points which are also false, and answering everything takes more time. And when you finally answer everything he starts questioning reality. The guy is not honest.
I would have walked too, Frank couldn't handle his questions and Frank's praticed answers weren't working,
Brandon Marshall same as you. But you dont understand whats just being said.. first time I saw this dude, Frank was way off... he uses tactics he think will work against randoms.. he would never try Even that on somebody he would know.. he would be killed
I couldn't agree more, even though I am closer to the questioner's viewpoint than Tureks. It goes to show, winning a debate is not necessarily a demonstration of anything other than one's ability to debate. For instance, I think Turek makes a pretty clear argument from ignorance fallacy that just passes as reason, and yet he wins the debate in the video.
God i thank you for creating this man and I pray that he would give his life to you and that you would become the most real one in his life. That his search for truth would lead straight to Jesus and his cross. I thank you that you created this man with purpose and that your goal is for him to love you and I thank you that as long as Jesus is alive, there is only hope!!
Guys pls pray for those who are lost. Let’s not dismiss them or look down on them. Every Christian was lost once too. ❤️❤️
Thank you for having our Lord's attitude toward those who need him! Keep up the prayers!
So, what do you do if god doesn't answer that prayer?
I appreciate what you're doing, and I understand you're being generous in your own way, and encourage you to carry on being good people, in whatever capacity you see fit. I just have to ask, if you honestly think you're the first people that prayed for Chris, and whether you honestly believe your god is still just... silent?
The linguistic gymnastics was an exercise of patience for me. Keep the debate on point and focused. Bravo.
this guy has been studying for years (frank living in his head - rent free) and this was his big chance at the mic and..... HE CHOKED !!
😂 😂 😂 "rent free".
Sad. But Frank have much more practice. So Frank would be able better sell lies, than true teller facts.
Boom✊ Preach!
*_"HE CHOKED !!"_* in a room full of people hostile to his ideas, misrepresent what he's saying, and talk loudly on mic to him. Also it may have been his first time speaking in front of a crowd. you say that as if you think you'd do something different... i'm curious WOULD you though?
lennyhipp good points
Maybe a better thing to say is -
Scott looked weak by disrespectfully walking away after choosing to engage Frank in conversation ?
He also called him a liar ?
Really ? Then you walk away ?
Come on now ,
Psalms 14:1
"The fool says in his heart, 'There's no God.'"
@@varunmohan3760
should i laugh now or what...
@@varunmohan3760 really? i hope it at least put a smile on your face. happiness is obviously too difficult to chase nowadays so relish yourself ;)
As a bhuddist we know Jesus as a bhuddist monk named ISSA and he did not believe in a god....
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. Welcome, brother, welcome. As above so below. Who is saklas?
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My friend I was a Christian for many years but god could never be proven and I was told to use faith were facts were not possible.....
Also Jesus was a bhuddist monk named ISSA and he survived the crucifixion and escaped to kasmir India....he is buried there in a small green house.... just Google it.... Jesus was a bhuddist monk....I can prove Jesus was a man and he was no god ...but you can't prove a god exists.... only creation my friend....only a fool would follow blind faith.... that can make you very dangerous to others over a belief that is based on lies....
I disagree with the final example at the end of the video and do not think people should have clapped for such a silly argument. We eliminate suspects in crimes all the times without a viable alternative.
then what is the point of the debate, everything the theist says, all the atheist has to say is " I dont believe you" generally its because they dont like where the truth leads.
I recommend listening to detective argument again, then. Dr Turek was operating under the presupposition it's *already known a murder occured* (which makes it an equivalent comparison with the debate of how the universe originated, as we do know it definitely DID begin to exist) and is NOT arguing we don't eliminate suspects in crimes, so that's a strawman on your end. Whether a suspect is eliminated is what the two detectives are currently debating. That cannot be done properly unless BOTH detectives provide their reasoning for why they believe their person did it *instead of the other detective's person.* They both have to attempt to convince others that THEIR suspect is the correct choice and the other suspect would be eliminated.
The detective's job is to genuinely seek the truth of who actually commited the murder. If there are two detectives, Frank said one of them "wouldn't be a good detective" if he simply sat back & complained about the other detective's arguments for why a particular person commited the murder, without bothering to provide BETTER explanations why it was someone else who did it.
Just imagine, if both sides did that then there is zero possibility the truth could possibly be found. Both of them wouldn't even care about seeking truth, their goal is instead simply to complain about the arguments of others and knock them down. That is the job of a defense attorney, not a detective.
The problem is it demonstrates the goal is not actually seeking the truth of the matter. Instead, the goal is to just complain and criticize without offering a better alternative explanation. That is not how truth if found.
This echo chamber literally gave me a headache.
Atheist guy: Theism does not try to explain reality
*15 seconds later* : You're coming to me saying "God explains reality..."
Do you hear yourself?
They don't because it's all about rejecting God, at all times, for many people like him.
Contend for the Faith Poor atheists can’t explain reality. That’s why he wanted to argue the premise of those debates. And they say we believe in fairy tales...
What better explains reality? What a joke. Why are the two options only Christianity and Atheism? Terrible argument by frank
@@evosmith12 theism and atheism
Eric Smith I have yet to hear an atheist express the desire to debate Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, New Agers, Psychics, Satanists, etc. Their favorite target is Christianity. Why is that?
“Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.””
John 20:27-29
yea it's really good to believe without any proof...it's a sin of faith.
Amen!
@@colin2709 Thomas had evidence of Jesus' divinity way before His death. His faith was weak because he was still doubtful.
Amen!!
Matthew's gospel directly and explicitly contradicts three other gospels in regard to the resurrection. You can choose, you blaspheming revisionist!! :-D Now, shall we discuss the Book of Judas? What!? Read on Christian if you dare.
Scott was clearly very overly emotional about it, you can't learn in that state. I hope he finds healing.
there is no argument to give. there are no gods.
It’s like a dad telling his son the sky is blue and his son saying no it’s not, because he doesn’t like the colour blue
Exactly. They believe that if God exists then either he should be hated or is an evil God. It's merely a cry of wrath by bitter people.
@@frankpontone2139 to be fair he did kill millions of people, implying he existed at some point or another, and still to this day over a few different religions people are being persecuted in his name
@@user-go3jv8rw7i a creator who can resurrect cannot commit murder. people killing people is wrong. God killing people is His right...
@@charlotte-xw6ow it’s his right to kill everyone he wants because he said so. That’s your logic
Apologists try to equate religion with science...one is an affirmation of faith...the other is drawing conclusions based on evidence...two things couldn't be further apart
Psalm 14:11 "Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.”
Justin 5/21 "Only fools say in their hearts, "There is a God."
Only fools believe in something they have no real evidence in.
Matthew 5:22 “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
@@EzerEben and the Bible is the best selling book of all time....you 0...who is the winner and who is the loser....
@@nupsi6 lots of evidence...but i guess you dont read or pay attention...awake o sleeper...or did nothing create everything...atheists are dumber than rocks...at least rocks dont go to hell for stupidity and unbelief.
Modern atheists are like flat earthers. "I don't have to be right for you to be wrong." or "I don't have to know the answers to know you dont have any." People don't really know how to think anymore.
That is more like Christianity because the bible says the earth is flat in it.
@@trolljones4386 actually it has many references to it being round
@@bleachissweet1 you mean like it being a round flat dome with the firmament above it? Or claiming the earth is on pillars?
Hell even if you are right the Bible claims demons cause disease and that you don’t need to believe in germs so it’s not a science book in any way
@@trolljones4386 Alot of it isn't specifically a science book. And some of it is poetry. But even if you did or didn't believe in demons, I dont see how that would affect what you think of germs. Why wouldn't supernatural beings use natural means to accomplish their purposes? Medicine doesn't always work anyways. There are still mysteries.
Scott is probably addicted to social media and since he wasn’t in his echo chamber he left
Running from the argument is like a child running away and putting because he doesnt get his way.
Tj White - Well if that's the case, that guy sure wastes a whole lot of his time watching all of Frank's debates and memorizing portions of them and even going in person to listen to a presentation of his, which he surely has heard before based upon his comments. What's an extra minute or two after he finally gets the chance to speak with him? Sure, sounds like a logical excuse... 🤔
@@lsubslimed Mr. Turek just dances around and avoiding the question.
@Tj White wow, talk about your straw man and ad hominems. You sure assume a lot about me based upon a reply about my observed actions a person in the video. If you can't handle being called out for making radon illogical points, then just don't make them. I listen clearly to every side, though from your comment though it sounds like you sure didn't. Frank was correcting the claim of that guy about the topic and basis of his debates, which he was actually in, so I'd think he might know that topic a little better than that guy who didn't want to hear his answers, which absolutely made sense, if you would just drop your biases and listen to what Frank is actually saying.
@@rtbnb3201 No, the atheists often (not always) just dances around the answers to their questions because they aren't open to the answers or simply don't like them. See, I can do the same thing, although my point actually has basis to it. Every answer he gave was perfectly clear to myself and many others here, so I'm not sure what you missed.
@Tj White Nothing on the topic at hand? I responded to the rest of your comment above and didn't miss anything. And your comment about "you Christians" etc. was a direct reply to me, so I took it in context. Are you saying your entire entire reply was irrelevant to any part of my comment then and just a general claim?
Heart breaking to see him leave like that and missing the Truth. Hopefully he will find Jesus and salvation.
Yes. Lord, please reveal yourself to Scott and give him assurance of Your reality.
Why christians very often use term "the Truth"? Maybe because it is not "the truth", but "the dogma"?
Jan Makovec If you truly want to know, then watch Frank's full video from this event. He addresses the importance of truth right up front.
@@johnmakovec5698 The main reason is because Jesus called himself the truth. John 14:6.
@@johnmakovec5698 because outside of God there is no truth and no matter what you think it does not matter because there is no truth. The fact that you responded to the "truth" while presenting your truth is also a dogma.
How did Turek's answers refute any of the guy's points? Also, that analogy at the end makes no sense. Turek is essentially saying "You can't find another suspect, so that means suspect X is guilty"
Yeah I don't like the analogy, I get the point, but.... it's very possible for evidence to exist that clears one person's name, but doesn't point to another person.
Like say I'm accused of killing someone because they have a motive linking me, and witness testimony that claims they saw me (or at least someone who looks like me) in that area, BUT, there is documentation proving that I was in another state at the time of the killing, so I couldn't have done it, so even though we have motive, the motive isn't sufficient prove by itself, and even though we have a witness, the witness does not have evidence that outweighs my own claim WITH DOCUMENTATION, that I wasn't at the crime scene during the killing....
That doesn't really tell us who the murderer is (Let's assume the witness has a reasonable alibi as well), but we can safely and without error claim that anyone who still thinks I did it, is being irrational.
It's okay not to know something, as long as you are willing to admit that you don't know.
Did you miss the part where he mentioned evidence?
That guy laughing in the background lmao, man it turned into a meme to me!!
While I think this guy is an amazing guy and incredibly patient I feel like the thumbnail paints this guy as a little crazy. Idk who designed the thumbnail but me personally I don’t think as Christians we should be putting this guy down. I understand that he pastor was being respectful in the video I just think that the thumbnail is disrespectful to the guy with the argument. Just an opinion. :)
I thought so too. He wasnt unreasonable or angry.
Yeah I can agree with that
I agree but also the bible sais "When a mocker is punished, the fool gains wisdom; but when the wise is instructed, he receives knowledge"
"I don't think as christians"
They wouldn't refrain from mocking you, we all know that. This is why atheists tend to always argue in bad faith, become argumentative and have such a smug sense of superiority. They think of you as a lame carpet they can keep on punching as much as they want and when you bite back they say in a smug smile "why thats not very christian of you"
Meek doesn't mean weak, it means someone who can fight till death but prefers his sword in his sheath. Altruism is weakness if its not done without a sense of justicr behind it.
Dugon man you just made me realize I used the phrase “as Christians”. Personally I don’t like it when people say it to me, so I try not to say it to others. Looks like it happened. :)
Whoever is reading this dont lose faith and hope in Jesus. No matter how bad things are in your life. Stay on track and your will overcome
" Stand fast "
(Scripture)
🙏🦁🐑🕊🙏
I would like to believe if what you say is true. How can I tell the difference in a story that is true and a story that is false that many people believe is true? There are many stories from all over the world, all throughout time that claim divinity, how can I tell which one, if any, are true?
But if you do fall and stop believing in Jesus, remember that he will send you to hell for all eternity. Amen
Scott seemed like he actually has done a bit of research and stuff. I hope he keeps studying
Nicely put, but Scott is probably in Logic 101 and thinks he can argue anything. Like so many students he'll stop learning because he thinks he now knows everything.
I had to intervene with a student that was harassing his female teacher over whether square roots can be negative. He firmly believed they are always positive. I showed him again how square roots are derived and he still wouldn't accept it. In frustration, in order to not remove him from the program, I suggested he look at an Abstract Algebra book. To this he exclaimed "yes, because I have a more abstract understanding of Algebra than any of you". Needless to say he was expelled and his tuition was not refunded.
Odd how much similar he was to Scott.
@@toomanyhobbies2011 so, you think telling a professor you know more about their subject than them, is the same as telling someone you lack a belief in God, and they reply that is a belief, therefore you have to explain how the universe was created without their god, before they will demonstrate that gods existence?
I hope he does too, but unfortunately he's probably going to get back on Reddit with his grandiose intellectual snobbery and tell Christians how dumb they are to ingratiate his massive and fragile ego.
I'd definitely use that detective analogy.
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
@nasser d Not sure I'd call it pearls. He addressed a strawman and the big guy correctly recognized he wasn't interested in answering the actual questions.
Well I don't worry about none of that, I just ride my unicorn all the time. It's really great, no pearls to throw, just good times.
What an arrogant, condescending and dehumanizing imaginary friend you have.
@@TheHigherVoltage why did you comment?
What kind of monster pigs are you raising?!
Real Man vs Child
Turek is rather childish.
And that detracts from my point how???
@@fdjt4132 How is Turek childish? LMAO Accusing someone to be childish without coming up without an explanation is in fact childish, CHILD!
The big guy walked out because he knew he was losing 🤔
My biggest question is what worldview says whether they like cake or they like pie? Pretty sure none do that…
It's the real life comic book guy.
I love the answer to “Why do you have to say it’s about KNOWledge?”
Frank: Because said you didn’t KNOW!
The equivocation about what the knowledge was about was interesting. It went from knowledge about God, to knowledge of opinions about God (in other words, beliefs) simply so Frank could maintain that atheism is still about knowledge when it isn't. Its what SJW's have been doing for years: can't find enough racism? Just broaden the term racism until it encompasses something in the room.
The detective analogy at the end is really awful. The burden of proof is 100% on the detective who is making a POSITIVE claim about someone's guilt. If one person says Johnny is guilty, and the other person says he is innocent, the judge is going to look to the person claiming Johnny is GUILTY to present evidence. This is literally baked into our judicial system and British common law. Complete L take... I'd be embarrassed to be seen making such a weak argument.
Correct!!
This won't be the first time that atheists / agnostics use semantics to play around simple phrases like "I do not believe in God" (atheism) or "I am not sure that there's a God" (agnosticism).
Frank’s approach to this topic gave me goosebumps on my heart. I don’t know if it’s excitement or a health concern but I like it. 😅
You should probably get that checked by a doctor 👀
I’m sorry but he definitely lost this argument
@@jaypettius8661 that’s your perspective.
@@jaypettius8661 what argument? It didn’t even go anywhere. But if atheism is simply a rejection of theism then why do all atheists rely on scientific claims to make sense of the world? You can’t not make claims about reality because determining meaning is necessary to be alive. It’s a default setting.
@@brishawnsanders5873 nope, it's not just his perspective, frank turek actually did lose the argument. Just because an atheist says they don't believe god is real, does not mean it's their burden to prove that there is no god or their burden to prove how the universe works without a god, etc, if that atheist is an agnostic atheist. So basically if a Christian claims they have proof there's a god and an atheist says"prove it" and the Christian brings up the proof and the atheist debunks that proof, the atheist doesn't have to prove God isn't real or provide a better argument that explains how the universe works, which is what Frank turek was saying you had to do if you were an atheist
I respect Dr Turek for defending the Gospel with love and so much knowledge.
Says an atheist! Lol thats the most ironic thing I heard all day, what a joke.
Christians is the reason y people like this exist ok because you want to make Jesus god and he not so you all are confusing people I am sorry for these people in that room who is this doc I hope he is not a medical doctor because people will died because he will give people wrong mediation like how he not giving good knowledge
thats what you call knowledge? -.-
Turek is a goon lol a loud goon
@@arthurgladden9378
Jesus claimed to be equal with God which is why the Jews were trying to stone him. Either accept His message which He proved when He resurrected and His miracles or deny Him without cause for what He said about Himself. Up to you man.
I am atheist for the same reason Frank doesn't believe in unicorns.
With the gullibility of Frank, are you sure he don't believe in unicorns?
@@freddan6fly fair point
I have met a few people with similar personalities. They get angry and offensive when they are logically defeated. It has the appearance of a deeply concealed narcissism.