For many years jets didn’t have any system to help the crew if they were passed out. Many pilots have lost their lives over GLOC accidents. It wasn’t until in recent years that a system called Auto-GCAS (Automatic-Ground Collision Avoidance System) was installed and the aircraft could detect if a pilot was unconscious and essentially level the plane automatically before it hits the ground.
It does not detect if a pilot is unconscious. It simply looks at will your current flight path cause you to crash via math. If it deems yes, it auto pulls out of the dive.
btw guys, the 5th gen jets aren't beyond US's capabilities and we have jets equal to those if not better. They had to use a specific jet for the mission due to the situation of diving in and destroying the target, which are older, less mobile, and have more fire power than the 5th gen jets. Great reaction as always though!
@@area11lureworxs32 USAF CCTs and PJs are often embedded with other SOF units, whereas TACPs are usually embedded with conventional forces. The 24th STS embed with other Tier 1 units like SEAL Team 6/DEVGRU and DELTA/CAG
This movie was a labor of love and was such a big success because it knew what it was as a movie And didn't try to overstep its boundaries. It delivered exactly on what it promised.
Absolutely. There have been a few movies that I was excited about, followed through development, only to be disappointed by the final product on the screen. This one knocked it out of the park.
Top Gun Maverick is essentially the Death Star Trench Run from Star Wars A New Hope. Which is what makes this movie even cooler. Since it’s essentially what we should have gotten from Disney’s Star Wars. Lol
or the mission from Iron Eagle 2, or the canyon mission in any Ace Combat game, or the real life missions that inspired Star Wars, as featured in The Dambusters and 633 Squadron.
@@kevinking1750 much as I love Iron Eagle. Doug Masters is an annoying Whiny jerk, and I 'm glad they killed him off at the beginning of the second one.
Sean is correct. The F-18 has an automatic control system that returns the entire aircraft to 1G horizontal flight when it detects pilot GLOC. There's video out there of an F-16 returning to level flight from pilot G-LOC on TH-cam somewhere. It was designed for situations precisely like this.
As a Naval Aviator and Instructor, I can promise you that there is no one in the US Navy that resembles the "Bagman" character. Anyone with that attitude would be absolutely destroyed by an instructor in flight, and probably have his guts stomped out by his peers. For that matter, the entire cadre of pilots shown here would NEVER have the attitude depicted. "Everyone here is the best there is - who could possibly teach us?" I don't care if they are Top Gun graduates, no one would have that attitude. The INSTANT you think you have nothing to learn is when you die. That is absolutely pounded into the head of every aviator.
Having spent my entire tour on an air station, I promise you there are, I've met them (Marine AND Navy). They may have the wherewithal not to behave like that in certain groups, but my interactions were away from the flight line.
As a former Army attack helicopter pilot, thanks for the reaction! Great movie! I actually saw the original immediately after my review board for Army flight school. My parents drove me to the board…I was high school to flight school. I don’t know of any auto-eject but, I didn’t actually fly fighters, only airliners and private jets. Small teams, stealth and time on target were essential for us. I believe Coleman was a Warrant Officer, like myself…cool character! I appreciate what you did in Spec Ops! New subscriber here!
The breakdown of the aspects of what it takes to succeed in any aspect of The SF mentality, let alone life during this one is priceless! You're absolutely right Sean.. NO EXCUSES! Thanks Boys! 🤘🏼
The U.S. does have 5th gen fighters, f-22 and f-35. They aren't being used in the story because of the radar jamming on the mountain and laser guided bombs don't need radar to get on target making the f-15 or f-18 the only options. Since the f-15 is more geared to air suppression the f-18 is the better option because it does have a little edge in air to ground combat. But the real reason f-18's were used is because the f-22 and f-35 are single seat aircraft and they needed duel seats to film the way they did. The actors controlled the cameras while in flight.
@@DowntownDeuce2 True its not, but that's not why its not in the film. They needed duel seated fighters otherwise they could have wrote the f-22 as easily into to the plot as they did the su-57 into the Iranian military. I don't think the f-15 is navy either come to think of it.
@@jonathanlong4066 You're probably right. Nothing else about the plot made sense or adhered to military protocol or reality, that wouldn't have been much of a stretch for them. Few things about the movie made sense; it is unfortunate that they didn't budget more for technical advisors and screenplay. It was about as realistic and plausible as the Iron Eagle franchise. And, yes, the F15 is USAF inventory only.
the "5th gen fighter" issue was addressed in the movie; there is a scene where there was a debate between the F/A18 and the F35; the script made up a hokey reason why the F35 didn't suit the mission but that was essentially a ruse because the real reason to use the F/A18 was because they needed the backseat. The Russian plane in the movie is formidable, but the F35 is a 5th gen fighter, so we are not out-matched in the air.
Yep, though I do gripe at the detail about them not using F35s, it is easily forgivable. Ignoring that the F35's interior has probably a lot of classified stuff in there the Navy doesn't want shown, there also aren't any two seated F35s in existence from what I know thus wouldn't allow Tom to get what he wanted for the movie.
Didnt they say the reason they couldn't use the F35 was because the enemy was using GPS jammers in the area around the uranium enrichment facility. I know the F35 heavily relies on GPS technology.
@@joshuaortiz2031 yes, but the military experts i have heard from say this isn't really an issue for the F35; it worked as the excuse in the movie but wouldn't have been an issue in the real world.
We own the sky. We own the space above it. We own the world's oceans. Russia, China don't stand a chance. They have garbage compared to us. Straight garbage. They don't have real aircraft carriers, they're a joke. We have 11 nuke powered carriers. That's not even taking into account that we have nuclear submarines with our carrier groups. Unlimited range. This idea that insurgency takes down a military like ours is foolish. We weren't allowed to get the job done right and you know it. Let's point to some examples of doing it right. Germany, Japan, Korea. Have we ever left those countries? Nope. We have military bases all around their countries. Now look at our failures. Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan. What stopped us from "winning"? We could take Afghanistan back easily.
One of my favorite scenes in the movie was at the end where one plane would cover the other. Communicate, move, deploy flares, cover, move, etc. Fantastic teamwork!
Regarding autopilot/altimeter stuff 37:10 I think they have buzzers, but C.W. Lemoine (F16 AF and F18 Navy pilot) mentioned that without input the F18 would probably just level out when they did a vid on this too. Cool channel if you're into fighter aircraft.
Top Gun Maverick was a very unusual sequel, in that rather than give us something entirely new or the first film over again, it gave us the first film AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. It took the deficiencies of the first film and corrected them. Excellent entertainment.
This movie had a lot of callbacks to the original & Star Wars. One callback that I got that I haven’t seen anyone else mention is the test pilot scene with Ed Harris. Ed Harris played John Glenn in The Right Stuff, one of my favorite movies, which was about Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier & the space race.
Sean, Abel, Kurt, and everyone else that works on these videos I have to say thank you to you guys for making awesome content like this. Truly look forward to it every week and it never disappoints.
My wife still has not seen the original Top Gun (somehow) So, we are watching both today. I will watch this video after, Can't wait to see Maverick but really can't wait to watch this ahahaha Enjoy the weekend FNG fam
I did the same but with my daughter. She's 11 so I had to fast forward a couple parts on the first one. She wants to be a pilot like you wouldn't believe.
@@mikebrase5161 AHHA She said to me" How was watching this as a kid?" lol I don't remember the sex scene stuff. I liked the movie it was pretty well done and nostalgic.
As someone who lives next to the NAS Fallon Top Gun base. All the desert scenes were filmed 30 minutes from my house. This was the movie of the year I have watched it two or three times and it never gets old. I w know it sounds dumb but I will always keep the ticket stub from Fox Peak Cinema, Fallon Nevada. We were told that Tom Cruise showed up at the the base. I grew up my whole life getting tours of the base and watching all the jets take off and land. Thank you all for your service. 🇺🇸
During my service in Finnish Armed Forces we were told several times by our NCO's and higher officers that if we receive a order that is a total BS order we were actually encouraged to refuse to execute such orders.
37:22 fck this scene is just CHILLS ALL THE WAY! This was the ONLY movie in my entire life that i saw more than once in the theaters! This movie is created for that, the sound is just fking amazing! This movie is amazing
We have 5th gen fighters. (F35 and F22….been out for a long time). This was just a scenario for the movie. Love the series dude, keep up the great work!
Excellent observation about character Buck! In the end, you gotta live with the man in the mirror. My son was worked on F-18 super hornets in the Navy and pointed out some technical issues, but still loved the movie. I was in the Navy learning to be a Nuke Submariner when I saw the first one. Bought the soundtrack on cassette on the way home and blasted out to it. Had my POS Ford Escort going as fast as it would go before I realized it. Awesome!
Saw this movie on a military post for the first time, before a MOB. He did a pre movie interview on how He appreciated the military and wanted to make it good for US. I don't know if they have that on other civilian movie theaters, but you guys should see that and they should add it to the civilian movie experience. It adds another demention to this great movie.
I worked as a contractor with the 920th Rescue wing USAF CSAR. Their application requirements are a physical fitness test. Green Berets, Army Rangers, Navy Seals...etc tried out for it. 36 elite soldiers tried out one day...2 people passed
Thar speech about Success hit hard, that's probably why my good friend of many years ghosted me. I don't have the mind for that stuff, and he is trying to make it in the BMX world. I do hope he makes it and accomplishes his dreams, wish you so much luck buddy. I am rooting for you.
You’re correct Abel, my mum had a tape player when my brother and I were kids and they usually had B-Side that was instrumental unless it was a full album.
Supposedly it was Ghengis Khan who explained "Force through Unity" to his sons, breaking one arrow to represent thé lone warrior, then trying to unsuccesfully break several held together.
They absolutely should've gotten Clarence Alfred Gilyard Jr, the guy who played Sundown, the only black pilot in Top Gun, to reprise his role instead of Cyclone. Gilyard passed in 2022 unfortunately. I wonder if they asked him and he turned it down.
I like how Tom Cruse at his age can still fly a fighter aircraft, pull G’s and fly special missions. From my understanding fighter pilots are old at 25.
There was one mistake that was very glaring. The rest of the movie was amazing and I've watched it a bunch of times. I'm ex-Navy and spent my whole time in the service on the flight deck of aircraft carriers. Hondo on the flight deck giving orders to the deck crew while deploying the barricade, is a big fat, jumping the shark, NO. That ain't going to happen under any circumstance in any alternate universe. NO. Raising the barricade is not just some random thing. We drill on it. There's a chain of command that runs that event with procedures. Hondo is a warrant officer. That's the lowest of all the officer ranks and he's a guest on the ship, he's not even ship's company. The carrier is the flagship of any fleet, so there's a two star watching, the CO of the boat, who is an 06 (Navy Captain), the Air Boss and Mini-Boss who run all carrier flight deck operations and they are both 06's, and they are all watching this go down... the deck division officer who's probably an 04 (LtCmdr). This wasn't a drill it was a real emergency, so no way is that deck boss is allowing some tourist to take over his division in the middle of an emergency with the entire chain of command watching. That officer's whole career was just vaporize in a microsecond. I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw that btw. :)
When a pilot ejects a ping or beep is heard by all pilots in the area signifying a their chute opened. There is a medal of honor recipient who flew in vietnam in the F105 who's wingman was shot down and he had low fuel and only a gun on his bomber, and turned around to provide CAS to keep thostile MiG's off his buddy while he parachuted down. No one else could have helped. Lots of pilots would turn back like he did in the film, and would probably be shot down with modern AAA and S400's. I saw this film in IMAX and the bass really sold the visuals in a way that is hard to describe. Loved watching to this video and your review!
5th Gen jets are the new jets, which America has. They mentioned the 5th gen Jet, F35, but said it wasn't suitable for the mission, which isn't true, but to make the movie work, they needed a 2 seater, which a f18 has, and an f18 is a 4th Gen jet.
F-22s are much more maneuverable than the F-35s due to their independent dual thrust vectoring engines and could probably pull off this mission, but they were made to be the ultimate air to air superiority fighter and weren’t designed as multi role fighters like the F-35
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 Yeah, and to be honest, this mission would of been done with just a ship shooting a rocket or two and done...but there'll be no story for us. lol.
If you guys can do a video with “Mover ruins movie” then it’s a dream come true to me! He’s a fighter pilot that used to flew the F-16 and the F-18, and he also did videos about this film; love you guys.
36:00 there is no auto-eject in the F-18. There is an auto seat/man separation AFTER ejection at a certain altitude. That being said, if you pass out in the jet, it will automatically seek 1G flight, and won’t just tumble out of the sky, but if you’re at an unusual attitude (i.e. pointed nose down) you are kinda screwed
Our 5th gen fighters are the F-22's and F-35's. Maverick explains that they have to use F-18's to pull off the below radar maneuverability's for that specific mission. Our F-22 is the most advanced and deadly fighter in the world. :)
You guys definitely ‘fan boy’d’ this movie. As an old Navy dude, there were multiple things wrong in this movie. One which you pointed out, there wouldn’t be an armed sentry at the low ready in an Admiral’s office.
My uncle was a WIZO in an F-14 and graduated Top Gun, we visited him in SD when he was at Miramar. He said most any fighter (and this was 1992-93) have autopilot systems that can make minor corrections to avoid a crash, then there’s various auto-eject systems as well. Amazing film, I saw it IMAX twice, it’s next level.
I can’t speak for all aircraft, but the F-14, and F/A-18, do not have an auto eject function. To be honest, auto eject would probably cause more accidental fatalities than lives saved.
@@Tenebris_Sint I’ve been working on F/A-18s for 18 yrs, and my specialty is ejection seats and environmental control systems, I assure you there is no auto eject feature.
The story with the enemy planes being 5th gen while the Navy were using 4.5 gen is a bit more on the logistical side for the making of the movie. I've been told that the USN would've definitely went in with F35s which are also 5th gen had the mission been real. It's just that Tom Cruise was VERY adamant about the movie being as believable as possible and that required the actors to actually ride in real planes to help get it as real as possible. The reason I am also told why they couldn't use F35s, besides the fact that a lot about it is classified, is that there aren't any two-seater F35s in existence.
Just watched this. I love these videos! Ed Harris did do a great job in “The Rock”. However, my favorite Ed Harris performance will always be as Major Konig in “Enemy at the Gates”
Hey Buck, sounds like you are happy with your Telluride. I drove the Escalade, Navigator, QX56, Telluride, and Sequoiya. When your spending that type of cash you best make sure you’re buying the best fit for your needs. The Telluride was by far the best luxury SUV out of all of them. I love that thing. When people ride in it and are dying to know what it is and I tell them it’s a Kia, they are blown away. Ya, Kia knows what the hell they are doing.
This movie was a lot like Star Wars. A flight down a valley with guns on the edge and the shot needed to go down a small hole at the end of the valley. This is exactly like the plan to take out the Death Star!
1. They needed to drop from a low altitude because of the SAM systems that surrounded the mountain and valley. If they dropped from high altitude they would die. 2. When Mav when after Coyote to try and lock onto him, he was just trying to make him up earlier in case he didn’t wake up from the warning
I love this movie too! As a technician though, it’s hard to look past huffer starting the F14 with an air conditioner unit. That won’t stop me from binge watching these two movies for the next thirty years until the next one comes out.
I really like your spec ops take on this movie. Your story about the JTAC is awesome, I worked with one overseas and that guy always looked like he never slept either, but still was able to do their job. I had the same reaction to this movie, and wanted to know what a pilot thought of this movie. If you guys want a pilot's perspective on Top Gun: Maverick, recommend checking C.W. Lemoine's channel "Fighter Pilot's Breakdown of Top Gun Maverick" you'll surely learned some things about aviation from these guys.
Also they had mentioned during the G lock scene that it didn’t make sense to them. So there are some aircraft that will sense that the pilot is not responding and level wings before crashing, main aircraft I can think of is the Viper (F-16) mostly because that jet in particular has lost many pilots due to this exact problem. So a system was put in place, the F-18 might have this but the F-16 is used to pulling upwards of 9G’s on ACM and can become very dangerous for sure. Anyone know if the super hornet has this system in place?
The part about that green beret leaving his pistol on the pisser is crazy because as a civilian I know where my guns are at all times and if they’re loaded or not at all times.
the stick thing you was talking about was a old Native American thing where Crazy Horse or another warrior or chief took arrows and showed how one arrow broke easy but banded together the couldn't be broken. Or at least that's what I was told as a Native American kid
Took my wife to see this movie in the theater. At some point she reached over and held my hand. When they were climbing vertical up the mountain on the mission she was squeezing my hand so tight lol she was really into it. Honestly I thought it was going to be better but it will still a great movie.
Being in the military and working on the air crews equipment they have to manually eject and on there seats it has a device that knows when to release the parachute but if there knocked out ejecting and there in the mountains they could still hit the mountain
Y'all missed the fun days on Bragg. We had Blue Thunder, we had Red Dawn, we had the way superior first Top Gun, we had Sammy Hagar singing VOA, and we had Ronald Reagan as our CiC!
On the drop from altitude. The point was GPS was jammed, time over target would be in the sights of the SAM's which were mounted so they couldn't shoot down. The target had to be painted. An aircraft at altitude would be shot down before it could hold the laser on the target to impact. Diving down gave enough time in the valley to hold the laser on the target while the SAMs couldn't shoot them.
That free fall parachute system is called a Cypress system. It deployed around 3000 feet automatically in case the chute pilot passed out. I don't think aircraft have the same.
Who else saw this movie and thought at the end "Yup this is the trench run from star wars" minus the whole evasion/ stealing a Tomcat. Nothing wrong with that btw
39:00 ok, but if you're in a jet and someone gets shut down, what's the idea behind "going back" for someone? At best you can do a pass, maybe take out the helicopter that came to kill him (what are the odds and why would they kill a lone pilot instead of capturing and interrogating?), but it's not like you're about to land and squeeze him into a seat that you don't have
Love all your reviews. You guys are the shit in my mind. ( former F-111 crew chief which is aviation maintenance) To give you an idea of aircraft “ generation” breakdown this is how to look at it WW1 biplanes would be gen 1 WW2 propelled aircraft would be gen 2 (P-51) Early jets as in F-86 in Korean War would be gen 3 The iconic F-14,F-15 are gen 4 The F-22,F-35 are gen 5 as they possess stealth capabilities and thrust vectoring. Which is basically where the exhaust essentially move to assist in maneuvering among other Things. Hope this helps
To answer the issue at about 18:00 regarding 5th generation fighters, the US has 5th generation fighters (F-35, F-22). The issue was that they said the valley was GPS-jammed, meaning that the US 5th generation fighter navigation systems would be interfered with flying through that valley. Why this would not affect the F-18s, I don't know.
the 5th gen fighters bit is a piece that is self deprication on the US part. the f-22 and f-35 are both considered 5th gen fighters. the point is that the application and deployment for this strike didn't have allocation to deploy our own 5th gen fighters.
another teamwork analogy is: you hit someone with an open hand slap and its going to hurt, but you punch someone with a closed fist and you could knock them out. thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
I heard an interview with Eddie Hamilton, the editor of Maverick, and he said after one of the canyon runs the pilot said I hope you got that, cause I ain’t doing that again. These were some of the best USAF pilots and they were going so fast it scared the shit out of them as there was very little margin for error at that speed. Unlike cars, planes use air to adjust course so there is always a slight delay in the aircraft reaction to control changes, so at the speed they were going you could travel an extra few hundred feet before the aircraft adjusts heading and those canyon walls were very close.
For many years jets didn’t have any system to help the crew if they were passed out. Many pilots have lost their lives over GLOC accidents. It wasn’t until in recent years that a system called Auto-GCAS (Automatic-Ground Collision Avoidance System) was installed and the aircraft could detect if a pilot was unconscious and essentially level the plane automatically before it hits the ground.
Scary stuff
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So glad someone answered his question! But to be fair... it's still isn't perfect, depending on the terrain.
It does not detect if a pilot is unconscious. It simply looks at will your current flight path cause you to crash via math. If it deems yes, it auto pulls out of the dive.
Auto-GCAS saving unconscious pilot on an F-16:
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@@SirCanadianBacon it has nothing to do with whether the pilot is unconscious. The system simply looks at flying data
btw guys, the 5th gen jets aren't beyond US's capabilities and we have jets equal to those if not better. They had to use a specific jet for the mission due to the situation of diving in and destroying the target, which are older, less mobile, and have more fire power than the 5th gen jets. Great reaction as always though!
But the real reason is that F22 & F35 are single seaters, while the F18 have double seaters
@@scottbarkley496 exactly
@@scottbarkley496 I was going to say the same thing.
@@scottbarkley496 Yeah and the F-22 is Air Force and not rated for Carrier operations.
The biggest reason was the GPS jammers, the 5th gen relies heavily on GPS.
Watched this in the movie theater. Had goosebumps several times and also got teary eyed at certain moments too.
It’s so good!
It's not as good as the original, but they did a really great job on Top Gun 2. Sometimes sequels ruin the original movies.
@@loganlapointe2744 It's way better than the original. The acting is better, the story is better, the romance is actually believable in Maverick
saw it too at theatres and was like this the whole time :😐🤨😐
@@loganlapointe2744 what are you talking about its way better than the original
Dude the way you describe JTAC is crazy. I've heard about them before but didn't realize how intricate their work really is. Good stuff.
They are nuts
@@FNGACADEMY was he an embedded CCT or TACP, or another Green Beret that was JTAC certified?
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 probably not cct are airforce .
@@area11lureworxs32 USAF CCTs and PJs are often embedded with other SOF units, whereas TACPs are usually embedded with conventional forces. The 24th STS embed with other Tier 1 units like SEAL Team 6/DEVGRU and DELTA/CAG
Ol jtac i worked with reenlisted in country, 90,000 dollar signing bonus tax free while we were deployed
This movie was a labor of love and was such a big success because it knew what it was as a movie And didn't try to overstep its boundaries. It delivered exactly on what it promised.
Absolutely. There have been a few movies that I was excited about, followed through development, only to be disappointed by the final product on the screen.
This one knocked it out of the park.
Top Gun Maverick is essentially the Death Star Trench Run from Star Wars A New Hope. Which is what makes this movie even cooler. Since it’s essentially what we should have gotten from Disney’s Star Wars. Lol
or the mission from Iron Eagle 2, or the canyon mission in any Ace Combat game, or the real life missions that inspired Star Wars, as featured in The Dambusters and 633 Squadron.
@@EfftupSmith Chappie!!!!
@@kevinking1750 much as I love Iron Eagle. Doug Masters is an annoying Whiny jerk, and I 'm glad they killed him off at the beginning of the second one.
Which is essentially taken directly from “The Dambusters” (50’s movie chronicling true story of spinning bombs skipping water to break water dams!
Sean is correct. The F-18 has an automatic control system that returns the entire aircraft to 1G horizontal flight when it detects pilot GLOC. There's video out there of an F-16 returning to level flight from pilot G-LOC on TH-cam somewhere. It was designed for situations precisely like this.
Wish I had that in my truck for 2am Sunday morning 😂
As a Naval Aviator and Instructor, I can promise you that there is no one in the US Navy that resembles the "Bagman" character. Anyone with that attitude would be absolutely destroyed by an instructor in flight, and probably have his guts stomped out by his peers. For that matter, the entire cadre of pilots shown here would NEVER have the attitude depicted. "Everyone here is the best there is - who could possibly teach us?" I don't care if they are Top Gun graduates, no one would have that attitude. The INSTANT you think you have nothing to learn is when you die. That is absolutely pounded into the head of every aviator.
Flew F-16s for 12 years. You’re absolutely right on.
Thank you bother - same for both services. Be humble or be humiliated. That's it.@@cfzippo
Having spent my entire tour on an air station, I promise you there are, I've met them (Marine AND Navy). They may have the wherewithal not to behave like that in certain groups, but my interactions were away from the flight line.
As a former Army attack helicopter pilot, thanks for the reaction! Great movie! I actually saw the original immediately after my review board for Army flight school. My parents drove me to the board…I was high school to flight school. I don’t know of any auto-eject but, I didn’t actually fly fighters, only airliners and private jets. Small teams, stealth and time on target were essential for us. I believe Coleman was a Warrant Officer, like myself…cool character! I appreciate what you did in Spec Ops! New subscriber here!
36:31 Saw a fighter pilot review this scene. This is a real thing. Pilots have died in training in this exact situation.
This is one of those movies u either have to seen it in theatres or have a bad ass sound system , to appreciate this movie and the sound.
Fact!
@@FNGACADEMY Maybe another one for a breakdown (if its not on the list already):
Hunter Killer
Watching it in regular theaters felt like watching it on a phone compared to IMAX
The breakdown of the aspects of what it takes to succeed in any aspect of The SF mentality, let alone life during this one is priceless! You're absolutely right Sean.. NO EXCUSES! Thanks Boys! 🤘🏼
Thanks Jay!
The U.S. does have 5th gen fighters, f-22 and f-35. They aren't being used in the story because of the radar jamming on the mountain and laser guided bombs don't need radar to get on target making the f-15 or f-18 the only options. Since the f-15 is more geared to air suppression the f-18 is the better option because it does have a little edge in air to ground combat.
But the real reason f-18's were used is because the f-22 and f-35 are single seat aircraft and they needed duel seats to film the way they did. The actors controlled the cameras while in flight.
F22 is not a Navy airframe. Probably the main reason it wasn't used
@@DowntownDeuce2 True its not, but that's not why its not in the film. They needed duel seated fighters otherwise they could have wrote the f-22 as easily into to the plot as they did the su-57 into the Iranian military.
I don't think the f-15 is navy either come to think of it.
@@jonathanlong4066 You're probably right. Nothing else about the plot made sense or adhered to military protocol or reality, that wouldn't have been much of a stretch for them.
Few things about the movie made sense; it is unfortunate that they didn't budget more for technical advisors and screenplay. It was about as realistic and plausible as the Iron Eagle franchise.
And, yes, the F15 is USAF inventory only.
Obviously
Abel is great at getting buck to explain stuff. Good listener and communicator you guys work well together
Can you imagine Buck behind the stick with 5 beers? That’s gonna be the most epic thing ever
First and last flight lmao
Ejection was invented for this hahaha
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the "5th gen fighter" issue was addressed in the movie; there is a scene where there was a debate between the F/A18 and the F35; the script made up a hokey reason why the F35 didn't suit the mission but that was essentially a ruse because the real reason to use the F/A18 was because they needed the backseat. The Russian plane in the movie is formidable, but the F35 is a 5th gen fighter, so we are not out-matched in the air.
Yep, though I do gripe at the detail about them not using F35s, it is easily forgivable. Ignoring that the F35's interior has probably a lot of classified stuff in there the Navy doesn't want shown, there also aren't any two seated F35s in existence from what I know thus wouldn't allow Tom to get what he wanted for the movie.
The F35 is a hunk of junk for the DOD to waste money on. Each having to have the gucciest of gucci, especially requiring their own version designed.
Didnt they say the reason they couldn't use the F35 was because the enemy was using GPS jammers in the area around the uranium enrichment facility. I know the F35 heavily relies on GPS technology.
@@joshuaortiz2031 yes, but the military experts i have heard from say this isn't really an issue for the F35; it worked as the excuse in the movie but wouldn't have been an issue in the real world.
We own the sky. We own the space above it. We own the world's oceans.
Russia, China don't stand a chance. They have garbage compared to us. Straight garbage. They don't have real aircraft carriers, they're a joke. We have 11 nuke powered carriers. That's not even taking into account that we have nuclear submarines with our carrier groups. Unlimited range.
This idea that insurgency takes down a military like ours is foolish. We weren't allowed to get the job done right and you know it.
Let's point to some examples of doing it right.
Germany, Japan, Korea. Have we ever left those countries? Nope. We have military bases all around their countries.
Now look at our failures.
Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan.
What stopped us from "winning"?
We could take Afghanistan back easily.
One of my favorite scenes in the movie was at the end where one plane would cover the other. Communicate, move, deploy flares, cover, move, etc. Fantastic teamwork!
Regarding autopilot/altimeter stuff 37:10 I think they have buzzers, but C.W. Lemoine (F16 AF and F18 Navy pilot) mentioned that without input the F18 would probably just level out when they did a vid on this too. Cool channel if you're into fighter aircraft.
Top Gun Maverick was a very unusual sequel, in that rather than give us something entirely new or the first film over again, it gave us the first film AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. It took the deficiencies of the first film and corrected them. Excellent entertainment.
This movie had a lot of callbacks to the original & Star Wars. One callback that I got that I haven’t seen anyone else mention is the test pilot scene with Ed Harris. Ed Harris played John Glenn in The Right Stuff, one of my favorite movies, which was about Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier & the space race.
"they didn't make a mistake."
5 minutes later
"Who the fuck is this guy with the gun? Why don't you stand on the outside of the door?"
Sean, Abel, Kurt, and everyone else that works on these videos I have to say thank you to you guys for making awesome content like this. Truly look forward to it every week and it never disappoints.
Thanks so much 🙏
Aah I was SO close to suggesting this last week. Damn mind readers, keep killing the content guys!!
Thanks dude!
Iceman, Penny, Hondo, and Warlock had Maverick’s back the entire time and at the conclusion, Maverick earned everyone else’s respect!
My wife still has not seen the original Top Gun (somehow)
So, we are watching both today.
I will watch this video after, Can't wait to see Maverick but really can't wait to watch this ahahaha
Enjoy the weekend FNG fam
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I did the same but with my daughter. She's 11 so I had to fast forward a couple parts on the first one. She wants to be a pilot like you wouldn't believe.
@@mikebrase5161 AHHA She said to me" How was watching this as a kid?" lol I don't remember the sex scene stuff. I liked the movie it was pretty well done and nostalgic.
One of the greatest action films I've ever seen. I'm glad they spent all the time that they did to make it. Well worth it.
As someone who lives next to the NAS Fallon Top Gun base. All the desert scenes were filmed 30 minutes from my house. This was the movie of the year I have watched it two or three times and it never gets old. I w know it sounds dumb but I will always keep the ticket stub from Fox Peak Cinema, Fallon Nevada. We were told that Tom Cruise showed up at the the base. I grew up my whole life getting tours of the base and watching all the jets take off and land. Thank you all for your service. 🇺🇸
That story about the CCT is so cool. Calling in hate and discontent while sitting on his ass in a half-dead state. That's flow state of mind.
During my service in Finnish Armed Forces we were told several times by our NCO's and higher officers that if we receive a order that is a total BS order we were actually encouraged to refuse to execute such orders.
37:22 fck this scene is just CHILLS ALL THE WAY!
This was the ONLY movie in my entire life that i saw more than once in the theaters! This movie is created for that, the sound is just fking amazing! This movie is amazing
We have 5th gen fighters. (F35 and F22….been out for a long time). This was just a scenario for the movie. Love the series dude, keep up the great work!
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B2 & B21 bombers are also 5th gen
“If you don’t know what a cassette tape is” 😂
Excellent observation about character Buck! In the end, you gotta live with the man in the mirror.
My son was worked on F-18 super hornets in the Navy and pointed out some technical issues, but still loved the movie. I was in the Navy learning to be a Nuke Submariner when I saw the first one. Bought the soundtrack on cassette on the way home and blasted out to it. Had my POS Ford Escort going as fast as it would go before I realized it. Awesome!
Saw this movie on a military post for the first time, before a MOB. He did a pre movie interview on how He appreciated the military and wanted to make it good for US. I don't know if they have that on other civilian movie theaters, but you guys should see that and they should add it to the civilian movie experience. It adds another demention to this great movie.
"Mover ruins movies" breaks this movie down from the perspective of two fighter pilots.
I saw this one three times in the theater and then bought it as soon as I could on prime.
I worked as a contractor with the 920th Rescue wing USAF CSAR. Their application requirements are a physical fitness test. Green Berets, Army Rangers, Navy Seals...etc tried out for it. 36 elite soldiers tried out one day...2 people passed
Thar speech about Success hit hard, that's probably why my good friend of many years ghosted me. I don't have the mind for that stuff, and he is trying to make it in the BMX world. I do hope he makes it and accomplishes his dreams, wish you so much luck buddy. I am rooting for you.
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You’re correct Abel, my mum had a tape player when my brother and I were kids and they usually had B-Side that was instrumental unless it was a full album.
I definitely saw TG: Maverick twice. It's worth it.
Favorite line from my DS was “I can’t make you smarter but I can make you stronger.” I used it when I became SGT.
It’s the arrow analogy and it’s a Native American saying. That’s why the Seal of the United States has an Eagle holding a lot of arrows.
Supposedly it was Ghengis Khan who explained "Force through Unity" to his sons, breaking one arrow to represent thé lone warrior, then trying to unsuccesfully break several held together.
They absolutely should've gotten Clarence Alfred Gilyard Jr, the guy who played Sundown, the only black pilot in Top Gun, to reprise his role instead of Cyclone.
Gilyard passed in 2022 unfortunately. I wonder if they asked him and he turned it down.
I like how Tom Cruse at his age can still fly a fighter aircraft, pull G’s and fly special missions. From my understanding fighter pilots are old at 25.
There was one mistake that was very glaring. The rest of the movie was amazing and I've watched it a bunch of times. I'm ex-Navy and spent my whole time in the service on the flight deck of aircraft carriers. Hondo on the flight deck giving orders to the deck crew while deploying the barricade, is a big fat, jumping the shark, NO.
That ain't going to happen under any circumstance in any alternate universe. NO.
Raising the barricade is not just some random thing. We drill on it. There's a chain of command that runs that event with procedures. Hondo is a warrant officer. That's the lowest of all the officer ranks and he's a guest on the ship, he's not even ship's company. The carrier is the flagship of any fleet, so there's a two star watching, the CO of the boat, who is an 06 (Navy Captain), the Air Boss and Mini-Boss who run all carrier flight deck operations and they are both 06's, and they are all watching this go down... the deck division officer who's probably an 04 (LtCmdr). This wasn't a drill it was a real emergency, so no way is that deck boss is allowing some tourist to take over his division in the middle of an emergency with the entire chain of command watching. That officer's whole career was just vaporize in a microsecond.
I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw that btw. :)
The Air force has the system you’re describing. If it detects G lock; it will send warnings, if no inputs are detected it will level off the jet.
When a pilot ejects a ping or beep is heard by all pilots in the area signifying a their chute opened. There is a medal of honor recipient who flew in vietnam in the F105 who's wingman was shot down and he had low fuel and only a gun on his bomber, and turned around to provide CAS to keep thostile MiG's off his buddy while he parachuted down. No one else could have helped. Lots of pilots would turn back like he did in the film, and would probably be shot down with modern AAA and S400's. I saw this film in IMAX and the bass really sold the visuals in a way that is hard to describe. Loved watching to this video and your review!
5th Gen jets are the new jets, which America has. They mentioned the 5th gen Jet, F35, but said it wasn't suitable for the mission, which isn't true, but to make the movie work, they needed a 2 seater, which a f18 has, and an f18 is a 4th Gen jet.
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F-22s are much more maneuverable than the F-35s due to their independent dual thrust vectoring engines and could probably pull off this mission, but they were made to be the ultimate air to air superiority fighter and weren’t designed as multi role fighters like the F-35
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 Yeah, and to be honest, this mission would of been done with just a ship shooting a rocket or two and done...but there'll be no story for us. lol.
If you guys can do a video with “Mover ruins movie” then it’s a dream come true to me! He’s a fighter pilot that used to flew the F-16 and the F-18, and he also did videos about this film; love you guys.
36:00 there is no auto-eject in the F-18. There is an auto seat/man separation AFTER ejection at a certain altitude. That being said, if you pass out in the jet, it will automatically seek 1G flight, and won’t just tumble out of the sky, but if you’re at an unusual attitude (i.e. pointed nose down) you are kinda screwed
There's a great Ken Burns documentary series on the Vietnam War. Would be cool to get your watch and reactions to it.
Our 5th gen fighters are the F-22's and F-35's. Maverick explains that they have to use F-18's to pull off the below radar maneuverability's for that specific mission. Our F-22 is the most advanced and deadly fighter in the world. :)
31:00 was an awesome story about the JTAC.
You guys definitely ‘fan boy’d’ this movie. As an old Navy dude, there were multiple things wrong in this movie. One which you pointed out, there wouldn’t be an armed sentry at the low ready in an Admiral’s office.
CW Lemoine and his buddy Gonky(F-18 pilots) talked about how the new hornets have fail safes for that.
My uncle was a WIZO in an F-14 and graduated Top Gun, we visited him in SD when he was at Miramar.
He said most any fighter (and this was 1992-93) have autopilot systems that can make minor corrections to avoid a crash, then there’s various auto-eject systems as well.
Amazing film, I saw it IMAX twice, it’s next level.
Pretty sure any auto-eject function would’ve been disengaged because they’re only flying a few hundred feet from the ground most of the mission.
I can’t speak for all aircraft, but the F-14, and F/A-18, do not have an auto eject function. To be honest, auto eject would probably cause more accidental fatalities than lives saved.
@@vectorsolus F-14 and F-18 pilots state otherwise
@@Tenebris_Sint I’ve been working on F/A-18s for 18 yrs, and my specialty is ejection seats and environmental control systems, I assure you there is no auto eject feature.
@@vectorsolus What MOS?
The story with the enemy planes being 5th gen while the Navy were using 4.5 gen is a bit more on the logistical side for the making of the movie. I've been told that the USN would've definitely went in with F35s which are also 5th gen had the mission been real. It's just that Tom Cruise was VERY adamant about the movie being as believable as possible and that required the actors to actually ride in real planes to help get it as real as possible. The reason I am also told why they couldn't use F35s, besides the fact that a lot about it is classified, is that there aren't any two-seater F35s in existence.
From what I heard the actors actually went up in the two seater variants of the hornet with real navy pilots.
@@joshuaortiz2031 yes they did.
I relate so much to the left guy. Kenny Loggins got me into rock when I was like 9. I would listen to Danger Zone non stop, it was the juice back then
Best movie 🎥 I ever seen personally. Whole movie was spot on, but Darkstar scene really did something to me. It really inspired me to the 💯 power.
Just watched this. I love these videos! Ed Harris did do a great job in “The Rock”. However, my favorite Ed Harris performance will always be as Major Konig in “Enemy at the Gates”
Hey Buck, sounds like you are happy with your Telluride. I drove the Escalade, Navigator, QX56, Telluride, and Sequoiya. When your spending that type of cash you best make sure you’re buying the best fit for your needs. The Telluride was by far the best luxury SUV out of all of them. I love that thing. When people ride in it and are dying to know what it is and I tell them it’s a Kia, they are blown away. Ya, Kia knows what the hell they are doing.
Loved the movie and I'm happy you guys did too. I would be really interested in seeing FNGs breakdown of Gurkha selection into British Military.
This movie was a lot like Star Wars. A flight down a valley with guns on the edge and the shot needed to go down a small hole at the end of the valley. This is exactly like the plan to take out the Death Star!
1. They needed to drop from a low altitude because of the SAM systems that surrounded the mountain and valley. If they dropped from high altitude they would die. 2. When Mav when after Coyote to try and lock onto him, he was just trying to make him up earlier in case he didn’t wake up from the warning
Please do a beer and breakdown review of "the way of the gun"! Tons of great scenes in that movie!
We’ll check it out
I love this movie too! As a technician though, it’s hard to look past huffer starting the F14 with an air conditioner unit. That won’t stop me from binge watching these two movies for the next thirty years until the next one comes out.
I really like your spec ops take on this movie. Your story about the JTAC is awesome, I worked with one overseas and that guy always looked like he never slept either, but still was able to do their job. I had the same reaction to this movie, and wanted to know what a pilot thought of this movie. If you guys want a pilot's perspective on Top Gun: Maverick, recommend checking C.W. Lemoine's channel "Fighter Pilot's Breakdown of Top Gun Maverick" you'll surely learned some things about aviation from these guys.
There were people who worked out with the 30 second skip proof discmans attached to their shoulders just 25 years ago
My brother was involved in a small team special operation. His appendix broke and he had a special operation soon as he got to the hospital!
Also they had mentioned during the G lock scene that it didn’t make sense to them. So there are some aircraft that will sense that the pilot is not responding and level wings before crashing, main aircraft I can think of is the Viper (F-16) mostly because that jet in particular has lost many pilots due to this exact problem. So a system was put in place, the F-18 might have this but the F-16 is used to pulling upwards of 9G’s on ACM and can become very dangerous for sure. Anyone know if the super hornet has this system in place?
Saw it in IMAX and it was amazing. I mean I lost my hearing for a few days, but it was worth it.
Love beers and breakdowns, can you guys do Heat and collateral please?
2:37 love the man’s performance.
where can I score that black hat with flag/skull patch hat?
The part about that green beret leaving his pistol on the pisser is crazy because as a civilian I know where my guns are at all times and if they’re loaded or not at all times.
As a former Ranger I can say with confidence that half of the officer class wanted to be pilot but couldn't.
They explain in the beginning that there was a counter gps system preventing the use of cruise missiles and the sam units prevented bombers.
the stick thing you was talking about was a old Native American thing where Crazy Horse or another warrior or chief took arrows and showed how one arrow broke easy but banded together the couldn't be broken. Or at least that's what I was told as a Native American kid
Took my wife to see this movie in the theater. At some point she reached over and held my hand. When they were climbing vertical up the mountain on the mission she was squeezing my hand so tight lol she was really into it. Honestly I thought it was going to be better but it will still a great movie.
Being in the military and working on the air crews equipment they have to manually eject and on there seats it has a device that knows when to release the parachute but if there knocked out ejecting and there in the mountains they could still hit the mountain
Can you guys do a break down of the movie “Behind Enemy Lines” starring Owen Wilson?
Easily goes up there as one of my all time favorite movies of the year so far. I’ve seen this film way too many times to count atm. Lol
Yeah sure scam bot.
Y'all missed the fun days on Bragg. We had Blue Thunder, we had Red Dawn, we had the way superior first Top Gun, we had Sammy Hagar singing VOA, and we had Ronald Reagan as our CiC!
There is a system called auto-GCAS that does exactly what you were referring to during g-LOC but I'm not sure if the superhornets have them or not
On the drop from altitude. The point was GPS was jammed, time over target would be in the sights of the SAM's which were mounted so they couldn't shoot down. The target had to be painted. An aircraft at altitude would be shot down before it could hold the laser on the target to impact. Diving down gave enough time in the valley to hold the laser on the target while the SAMs couldn't shoot them.
That free fall parachute system is called a Cypress system. It deployed around 3000 feet automatically in case the chute pilot passed out. I don't think aircraft have the same.
A movie that you should check out: Taps. Stars a young Tom Cruise, Sean Penn, Giancarlo Esposito, and Timothy Hutton. One of my favorite films.
Can you do the Abyss
Who else saw this movie and thought at the end "Yup this is the trench run from star wars" minus the whole evasion/ stealing a Tomcat. Nothing wrong with that btw
39:00 ok, but if you're in a jet and someone gets shut down, what's the idea behind "going back" for someone? At best you can do a pass, maybe take out the helicopter that came to kill him (what are the odds and why would they kill a lone pilot instead of capturing and interrogating?), but it's not like you're about to land and squeeze him into a seat that you don't have
You should do a discussion of this with C.W Lemoine who did fighter pilots reacts to it. It would be a hilarious video for sure.
Love all your reviews. You guys are the shit in my mind.
( former F-111 crew chief which is aviation maintenance)
To give you an idea of aircraft “ generation” breakdown this is how to look at it
WW1 biplanes would be gen 1
WW2 propelled aircraft would be gen 2 (P-51)
Early jets as in F-86 in Korean War would be gen 3
The iconic F-14,F-15 are gen 4
The F-22,F-35 are gen 5 as they possess stealth capabilities and thrust vectoring. Which is basically where the exhaust essentially move to assist in maneuvering among other
Things.
Hope this helps
I still reckon you should do a beer and breakdowns on the UK series Strike Back.
To answer the issue at about 18:00 regarding 5th generation fighters, the US has 5th generation fighters (F-35, F-22). The issue was that they said the valley was GPS-jammed, meaning that the US 5th generation fighter navigation systems would be interfered with flying through that valley. Why this would not affect the F-18s, I don't know.
I remember learning to play that “top gun anthem “ when it came out. I wonder if I can still do it…? Thanks for the video!
the 5th gen fighters bit is a piece that is self deprication on the US part. the f-22 and f-35 are both considered 5th gen fighters. the point is that the application and deployment for this strike didn't have allocation to deploy our own 5th gen fighters.
"Sir: is this even achievable?" "It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters."
another teamwork analogy is: you hit someone with an open hand slap and its going to hurt, but you punch someone with a closed fist and you could knock them out.
thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
4:50 I believe the guard was there to protect Maverick from Admiral Cain, rather than the other way around. 😁 Seriously, though, loved the insights.
I heard an interview with Eddie Hamilton, the editor of Maverick, and he said after one of the canyon runs the pilot said I hope you got that, cause I ain’t doing that again. These were some of the best USAF pilots and they were going so fast it scared the shit out of them as there was very little margin for error at that speed. Unlike cars, planes use air to adjust course so there is always a slight delay in the aircraft reaction to control changes, so at the speed they were going you could travel an extra few hundred feet before the aircraft adjusts heading and those canyon walls were very close.
Navy pilots, the USAF had nothing to do with the filming of Top Gun Maverick.