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My father was 2nd Armored, 82nd recon from Sicily to berlin. Served from North Africa. Silver star. Took him to see Saving Private Ryan in 98. After the movie ended he just sat there, my mother at his side, for quite a while. People walking out just looking. Went for ice cream after, my wife asking if the movie was real. He looked down and said, yea the most real was the sounds of rounds bouncing off steel BUT he said, when the soldier was stabbed bothered him because at that time in the war he carried 2 .45's, a carbine and at least one grenade and there's no way that he would have been in that position Plus when you had no ammo you moved, as simple as that. Even before, once your pos was discovered you moved Days later my mother said after the movie, he told her the hardest part was him hearing "earn this", "tell me I lived a good life" She said after returning home from the war he would awake screaming at her in German in his sleep for a few years My father was a good man, raised 8 kids, and never said a word about the war. Always told his sons to not enlist, not trust the government.
My grandfather hit Omaha beach.. lost most of his guys getting off the boat. Ended up getting afew promotions bcuz everyone else died. He liked the movie but said the real thing was alot worse. He didn't really speak about the war much. But he came home with alot of medals and 3 purple hearts. N he stayed until it was over.
As a current M2A1 50 gunner. He's effectively using the weapon system as an indirect weapon. He's utilizing plunging fire to put rounds down range. Your commentary and explanation was 100% correct.
I think what a lot of people miss is that where they're at in the opening scene is because they're the only tank in their platoon to survive a battle with a Tiger tank. When they're in the first camp and the tank commanders are talking, one says something like "I thought there were no more tigers left" and Brad Pit replies with "tell that to the rest of my platoon". The tiger they fight in the field later in the day is the second time they were the last tank standing in the same sort of battle... that day. The entire movie was one full 24 hour day. Sunrise to sunrise.
A scene that was overlooked was when the German soldier sees norm under the tank when he shines the flashlight on him. It was such a beautiful moment of, yes we’re enemies but we’re still both human.
It was a young soldier, i wonder if they were trying to put across that Norm wasn't an exception in this war. Both sides were throwing in young men some of which maybe didn't want to kill anyone. He did what Norm at the start would have done or that Polygot from Saving Private Ryan did with the German Soldier that came back in the end.
Doesn't fit their narrative and would clash with their appallingly dumb "I would shoot unarmed NaZIs in the back without a second thought" stance, forgetting that not every german soldier was a convinced one and out for blood. The one Norman had to shoot was a regular soldier, not a Waffen SS.
@Geoff Your comment and that scene in the film remind me of this, stick it into your search engine if you fancy a read; ‘ World War One: The British hero who did not shoot Hitler’ Basically, a British Soldier was in his trench and he could see someone approaching, when they got closer he could tell it was a German, neither shot at each other and the German turned back to find his own trench. That German soldier was Hitler. 🍻
@@GLevario12that’s probably what the film is going for, but it’s somewhat hard to believe someone like that would exist within an SS battalion. By that point in the war, the only people left in the ss battalions were some absolute diehards who fully drank the kool-aide. He was far more likely to just kill the enemy soldier than let him live.
@@MikeyRumi180 lol? saying youre a ww2 fan is such a pathetic thing to say “im a fan of the mass murder and genocide of people” get a life i could care less its a fucking MOVIE
Dude, really connected w/ the dinner scene in the same way Buck described - trying to tap into a sense of normalcy in a war zone. Case in point - saw this flick in my down time in Afghanistan while trying to chill out. The part where the young girl starts to sing with the playing of the piano actually made me close my eyes bc it sounded so beautiful, and I was instantly removed from where I was. I rewound that part 3 more times to do the same thing bc it was access to one of the only parts of the world I left behind that seemed right at my finger tips. We do what we have to to feel normal at times. Keep up the good work guys.
My grandpa was a sherman tank commander in the 32nd Armor Rgt -3rd Armor Div. Brad Pitt wasn't nearly as bad-ass as my grandpa though. They took a tiger tank round in the turret during the battle of the bulge, decimated the gunner, and with my grandpa sitting directly behind him it blew off his jaw. Made it all the way back to London for surgery,
My Grandfather was also in the Battle of the Bulge, he never really talked about it much. I assume your Grandpa didn't either, unlike these guys. This movie is spot on accurate, not taking away from Ryan, or Band of Brothers. Solders humanity was in short supply, its really amazing that these men came home and became the Greatest Generation.
@@matthewhopkins1999 Quite actually, he wasn't shy about talking about it at all. He would get choked up, but he loved talking about his buddies, his crewman and how they were heroes.
Ok, I have to say I stumbled onto this probably because I've watched other Veterans do a reaction video to movies and just sit there and do nothing poop on the movie. But what what I love and what this channel does so well is the "why" something is happening and the incredible insight and stories shared makes it so much more engaging. BTW, thank you for your service!
I did not go that deep into the egg scene in my mind I'll be honest. You guys just opened up a whole new side to something I've seen a dozen times. Holy shit.
Ya I definitely didn't see it that way. I saw it as Shia being jealous that the kid still had some innocence left and he was pissed at Brad Pitt for feeding it. Like "I can never go back to that because of the things I had to do to keep you alive, and now you're gonna sit here and exercise that civility with the kid, knowing full well that we can't anymore? Fuck you. If can't have it, no one can." Especially since right after that, the mortar round hits the house, killing her, and, metaphorically, everything she meant to him.
@@TheCoolwhipped yeah it's crazy to think that they've lost everything that makes them a normal feeling human being. They've seen so much they're just numb to it and basically going on instinct like wild animals .
The dinner scene in Fury may be the best scene ever filmed behind the “you think I’m funny how” scene from The Goodfellas. Or Vice versa. So gritty. So beautiful.
I think you guys nailed the interpretation of that scene. You can’t be normal after seeing and doing the things required of you in combat. Especially back then. This was such an underrated scene
As a tank driver I will say this movie is pretty accurate as far as how a tank crew works,fire commands.utilization of working tanks.this is by far one of my favorite movies
Here's some trivia on that execution scene... The Nazi is singled out because he's wearing a US Army overcoat, and by the Rules of Land Warfare it's a war crime for a soldier to wear the enemy's uniform, and if caught you may be executed on sight. No joke. So it's not just some soldiers being mean and looking for revenge, they actually had a legal justification.
For me, as a veteran tanker, the best scene was the battle with the Tiger. Pretty much accurate for how a mixed M4 group would have dealt with a Tiger. For reference the original squad Fury had was 2 M4A2, 1 looked like an M4A3 with an M4A2 turret and "Fury" is an M4A3E8. Only 2 of the 4 tanks had the 76mm gun while the others had the more common 75mm. None of which could reliably penetrate the front armor of a Tiger. I've had so many people say that charging the Tiger was stupid, but the fact was M4s were faster and more agile, but had shit armor compared to the Tiger. Getting to the sides or the rear was the only option.
I don’t know their doctrine back then, but I agree with you. You’re presenting your thickest armor to his gun, you’re moving and forcing him to move his turret and both tanks know that the Sherman is faster. Even if it was their doctrine, I know that it’s a movie and I loved it.
The take on the egg scene is enlightening. As someone who tried to serve, wasn't able to and always has a huge regret and I guess shame, hearing stuff like this that feels it comes from personal experience and being able to relate as well as friends who did serve telling me they're glad I didn't , having not to go through that change, that loss of innocence/humanity. Thanks
Let me ratchet up my pants and tell youins a story... I was a M60 tanker at first, then transitioned to the M1 in the 1980's. I agree that the M60 was a steel coffin, but not an M1. Your only real fear is from aircraft overhead, but they are now carrying stingers on the M1 in some units?. An infantry man can possibly take out a track, but you are safe inside. He'd better run for his life after firing. The WW2 M4 Sherman in Fury was a steel coffin for sure. The soldiers and marines fighting in those had some real cajones. Going up against those German Panthers, and Tigers, oh shit! Worse even still, the Jagdpanther. This was a tank destroyer. It had that wicked 88mm gun, and was really fast. They could really reach out and touch you. We, Americans enjoyed air superiority in ww2, so we did not have to face the stutka bombers like other armies had to.
Thomas Guides were AWESOME. It did take some getting used to, I'll admit, but I used them heavily from '98 to '01, all over the US. The front of the book had the high level map for the area (Mine were usually states, but some were more focused), on the high level view were squares that were labeled with pages that hold the detail. On the edge of a detail page the adjacent detail page is identified.
i have been fan of fury for so long, watching this reacting and breakdown of reel and real life events helped me understand this movie even more. like for example 15:50 i thought that gunner was eye balling the aim and shooting but then what you said made that scene understand even better.
Check out T-34, it's really an amazing film and I think better/more realistic in many ways than Fury. I prefer the Russian (undubbed) version. th-cam.com/video/_aA0dVzCvn0/w-d-xo.html
@@TB-zf7we Movies never live up to books because books are your precise personification of events happening inside your mind and a movie is someone else's ideas, another persons vision mixed with yet another's creative directive. I try not to judge movies off of books. I have not seen any other Colin Falconer adaptations
Great movie and your evaluation of the meal scene is spot on. New to your channel, but liking what I'm seeing. Keep up the good work and Happy New Year.
Yes the lieutenant was spouting orders and using hand signals that are for use in combat when your men can't hear you because of all the noise in battle when they were 3 feet from them and no shooting or artillery going off. And the captain just lays out the situation and objective to Wardaddy and says I know who you are. Meaning also that he knew he was a seasoned tank commander and said now go paste them hard and get my men out. He also tells his platoon leader of his men that he sent as support that you are working for him now. Letting him know with out a any question who was in charge of the operation.
The tank commands and vehicle movements as a team are 100% spot on. Brought a tear to my seeing how well the excuted that. Was a Bradley gunner and commander for a little also.
@@youngwildcat08 Also, it is standard doctrine to shoot the lead tank in a column, not the rear. Fury is a very entertaining, if somewhat hollywood-ized, film.
@@youngwildcat08 iirc Sherman was lighter and faster so the tactic was to get around the Tiger sacs shoot it in the ass where the arbor was thinnest. Had to do that from 800yd or whatever it was so they had to close the distance. Personally, of the trees weren't too thick I'd have drove through them using them for concealment and tried to flank the field.
@@politicallyinsensitive4200 The Fury had the 76mm high velocity gun, and so could defeat the Tiger from the front at range of 800m, even further since this was later in the war and they had HVAP rounds available...so there was not much of a need for them to close the range. On the flip side, the long barrel of the 76mm made Fury even more of a target...so the fact that the Tiger did not shoot Fury first was very unrealistic. And the thing is, they did not have to be unrealistic to be dramatic...they could have just had Fury be a Sherman with a regular 75mm gun, and it would have made multiple historical issues just disappear. In fact, had Fury been a regular gun Sherman, the movie could have been even more dramatic. IMHO Anyway, it is a great movie in many ways, but there were quite a few things they got wrong that probably would have been better if they had tried to be more accurate and...it could have been so much better. ✌
I TOTALLY remember Thomas Guides. I worked as a Paramedic in Los Angeles County and in Kern County. We memorized certain pages and coordinates to make it easier. That exchange between the guys made me smile. Nothing like trying to navigate DTLA...running code 3...in rush hour...while utilizing a Thomas Guide...good times.
Definitely gonna get me a pair of your boots. Serving in the navy made me appreciate a good quality boot and timberland is my absolute favorite. You guys using the same factory cant wait to see how they turn out
outstanding work, eye opening insights plus super cool dudes, i dig it, what'd you guys think about the movie harsh times with christian bale? its a heavy hitter for me i think its a diffinitive viewpoint of a high speed spec ops soldier acclamating or integrating into society, iam always curious what others think of it
15:00 He was doing what is called "plunging fire" or "indirect fire", which is firing a weapon at a high angle so the bullet falls in a arching trajectory. The weapon is an M2 Browning which fires a large calibre round and has a long range.Essentially he was harassing some German positions that weren't in his direct line of sight.
I don't know if you guys would every react to a 10 episode miniseries, but I highly recommend Band of Brothers. It is such a great series and touches a lot of the points you made that made this movie great. The best part is that the advisers of the series were the actual paratroopers the series follows!
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Absoluetly love this movie, and hearing your guys breakdown on this makes it even more enjoyable. I always thought the dinner scene was the worst part of the movie, but your explaination makes me want to re-watch it now. Thanks so much guys.
Great discussion, great movie. What you said about being willing to give your life for someone and that being what makes the relationship between service members and veterans different than ordinary friendships is spot on.
Little info after your chat regarding GPS, I installed first-generation Trimble units in the 10th Aviation brigade UH-60s & AH-1s. While working as a contractor at Ft. Drum prior to their deployment to Somalia, KFOR, and Haiti starting in 1993. They were big boxy units that used a separate antenna mounted on top of the aircraft.
Great show.The Tiger tank used in the movie was the last operational tank. The tank was on a straight concrete strip to protect it from getting damaged. Thats why you see it only going back and forward. Looking forward to more videos.
What's interesting is that most of the negative reactions to the tank battle state it's completely unrealistic tactically speaking (in terms of how the respective tank commanders act, who/how they choose to shoot, tactics involved, etc.). Knowing the Tiger could only move back and forward helps clear up, for me, a lot of the decisions the filmmakers made.
Tiger tank would not leave it's cover and concealment, and Fury would have been targeted first as the greatest threat with it's 76.2mm high velocity gun. It could defeat the frontal armor of a Tger I at 500yrds
@@Personwhomakedvids Michael Wittmann ambushed a British column that had stopped, crews dismounted, consulting maps, without any surveillance around them. Whittmann was in cover then moved out of cover to destroy last column tanks as they were the only dangers to his tank before shooting up the armoured cars and trucks in the column. Wittmann was killed doing another stunt only three weeks later.
I get that it's the last Tiger and needs to be preserved, but its kinda funny that the once most feared tank on the battlefield needs a special road instead of driving in a field so it doesn't get a boo-boo.
Man, you really did make me see the scene at the table very differently. I had always seen it as the crew being angry that they had gone through the whole war together and Top took the new guy to have a nice meal and get laid. Just simple envy or jealously. The way you broke it down completely changes the tone for me.
I became a cop in 1990 and the Thomas Guide was our Bible. They were super easy to use once you have an understanding of how they work (not that difficult). They were the greatest tool around for learning your area and getting knowledge of your surroundings.
I remember having to use the Thomas Brothers guide in the early 2000s. I delivered parts for a car dealership. It was very popular because it was way more update as you can be. And way better then previous maps that you had to unfold and fill up the seating area and so on.
I think another scene that caught my eye was bernthal telling young Norman that he’s a good man and to stay that way, swallowed so much pride and damage in his life that wouldn’t be caught like that in front of the crew, I thought that was strong
Fury is hands down one of the greatest War films of the modern era. I remember seeing this movie when it originally released in theaters on my B-Day since I was visiting family in L.A. Instantly became one of my favorites. Lol
@@robertsears8323 Honestly I've realized that I love these historically rather inaccurate movies like Fury, Saving Private Ryan or Top Gun Maverick. I'm way more entertained by these kind of movies than those rather dark, gritty and realistic movies. Not to be mistaken, I still enjoy the more realistic movies but watching "All quiet on the western front" made me feel like shi* and obviously thats not a kind of entertainment that you want to enjoy regularly. At the end of the day, movies are made to entertain you, give you a good time.
@@robertsears8323 they don’t stay 100% accurate but they get a lot of things right, too. The Panzerfaust was depicted accurately for a change and they did a great job of catching to feel of being cramped inside a tank with 4 other dirty people
@@williamflowers9435 I guess I tried to watch the movie once but 5 minuets into the movie they did some stupid BS that would have never happened in real life and I got very pissed and I have hated this movie ever since.
My dad drove a tank in Korea during Vietnam. Always tells a story of them crossing a river during a rain storm and the tank starts to fill with water. Said he went in reverse and floored it. Said he went half way up the hill behind them before they got him to stop
it would be great to see you guys do breakdowns over a band of brothers or the pacific. Since they are both mini-series it would give you guys the ability to review each episode. That's a lot of content for you guys.
I had to use the Thomas guide for the first 10 years of my career in construction. I'm glad I learned how to use one because when shtf I'll still be able to navigate.
Happy new year , another great episode . Fury reminds me of episode 8 of Band Of Brothers when they have to cross the river, and everyone's sick and cold and tired of war
That story you told about keep feeding nades to that cowboy😅sounds like me playing medal of honor warfighter 😂I've had to do that to end up completing on veteran difficulty ,kept asking voodoo for nades against the technicals on the level shut it down ,literally right at the end of the game ,my advice is bring your own nades to that cowboy ,its like turning up to to gunfight with a catapult and a rolling pin ,like "dude, what you planning ?"
Thank you for your service, i love watching you two break down movies from the unrealistic to the real. With this movie I felt that Brad Pitts character connecting with the younger solider at the dinner scene was my favorite part of the movie, so many emotions in that scene. The part that i most appreciated in that scene is when Jon Bernthal licks the egg from that girls plate but Brad Pitt switches plates with her and starts eating the egg not giving a shit about someone else's saliva being on it, almost like he was saying "You're my boy but fuck you! You're not ruining this moment for me!" And then of course after that everyone on the team starts to open up to each other... brilliant moment of that movie.
At 43:32, the host nails the idea laid out in the bible verse: "John 15:13 '13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.'" And I am so happy to see the Bible and it's teaching come to life in modern day, even though I haven't been a regular churchgoer in 5 years
As an EMT a few years ago, we would use a Thomas guide to route to a call. The mobile data terminal had a Thomas guide grid reference in accordance with the call. It was relatively easy once you got the hang of it. I made sure every new hire was proficient in it because it was the last resort to find the location. Abel, the Thomas guide still exists.
So happy to find this channel. Those damn glory hounds, the Navy Seals, get all the publicity. As a former Army officer, I know the Green Berets are better. I am an old lady - almost 70 - but a marathon runner. I want to do more strength training and will follow some of your links. Also, I loved “Fury”.
I've been a paramedic/ firefighter since 2002. We used an ADC map book for 911 calls regularly until 2015 maybe. We hammered the rookies with ADC map drills the same way you guys described. We were expected to memorize main answer secondary roads which made the map book easier
@15:30 Long-range indirect-fire with an MG. It's a rare technique, kinda a "lost art" these days. Firing an MG from a defilade was well-known in WW1. The Marine Infantry Officers Course teaches it briefly, but I've never seen it employed anywhere else. @31:22 You guys should check out "War On Everyone" with Alexander Skarsgaard and Daniel Pena. Hilarious dark comedy buddy cop movie.
I used those Thomas guides all the time, in my biz for pest control as well. The Plates you mentioned where a pain in the ass, expecting when those pages got used until they fell out of the guide. lol
My dad taught me about Thomas guide! I saw this movie in the theater & it has never been the same! I left with goosebumps. I loved the authenticity of both the the Americans & the Germans. Great movie & breakdown, Men!
I served in the Marine Corps infantry from 81-85. We first started using GPS in 1985, and it was the size of a laptop computer and only gave you a 10 digit grid coordinate
My father was 1-1 of Team Iowa CCC in Vietnam and I had the chance to meet his LT 1-0. I had a chance to sit down and talk to him about being an special operations team leader as an LT. I learned more about leadership in that one hour than I did in 4 years of officer training.
Thomas Guide! I remember when I was either in 8th or 9th grade, I drove back East with my uncle, from CA to NY going E on 80 and we came back via 1 S to 40 W. My uncle was a WWII USMC veteran. I had, along with clearing the septic tanks, making sure we got fresh water, breaking out all of the gear and putting it away when we stopped, etc, etc "junk jobs", the responsibility for manning the Thomas Guide. In retrospect, he provided one of my best Summer educations ever on that journey. When we would be getting close to a town, or if he decided we were going to stop at some historical site, or he might tell me to look for historical places to visit - it was my responsibility to find it and navigate to the location. God Bless!
49:10 Similar to pilots, especially test pilots. They sound so calm right before they crash because they are simply evaluating their options and flying the plane accordingly. Until flying is removed from the list of options.
I never served on a tank,but I did study them in university I think the biggest difference of tank back then and now days,are the night vision which let tanks fight at night, gun stabilizer that makes firing on the move easier, all kinds of camera ,senser and computer that helps tanker fight,and all kinds of data links that helps tanker communicat with people all over the battlefield Other than those,I think the basic principle of tanks are still the same,a big track vehicle with big gun and is really hard to kill
My grandfather said, when he went to Vietnam his Sgt. told him the day he arrived in country he would walk point for the squad while they were on patrol. Their previous point man was KIA. He told him "I don't know anything about walking point." to which the Sgt. replied, "You will learn, if you live long enough."
the last scene where you were talking about the gun in hand...you have to realize this was a time when PTSD was not a recognized thing. They called it shell shock but it had no diagnosis in literature. It is only in the last few decades that PTSD has been a recognized diagnosis for soldiers and other alike. They may have let him keep his gun because they had no reason to feel they needed to take it away
Hagstrom Map. Still have one in my work truck. Bc while your cellphone GPS might still work without cell service; good luck having it load a map datum….
I remember using a Thomas Guide (similar) and the big maps at the border of every town to try and navigate to the address... When GPS came along it saved us two hours a day!
Idk if you guys have done this review yet, but All Quiet on the Western Front would be a good one for you guys to review. Great review, Fury is definitely one of my top favorite war movies. They really paid attention to some of the finer details that one can appreciate.
16:00 At the initial landings in We Were Soldiers, the men open up on the tree line for no obvious reason after they disembark the helos. I saw where some people called it "reconnoiter by fire". Basically shoot at nothing, just to see if it shoots back at you. That sounds pretty similar to what you're describing.
Thomas Guides sound like the Gazeteers that I used. They were my goto maps for backcountry travel because they had every road and trail on them, and they were accurate. They also had gps grids, so I could double check difficult resupply locations with my hiking gps. Hiking size gps units at that time only gave you the numbers, you didn’t get any terrain maps or even color screens, it was just black and white with dots and lines as a record for wherever you went and marked.
'rounds'... he wasnt target practicing, we used to do something called 'plunging fire' with the M2, hes giving plunging fire support in conjunction with the motar that was shown firing.
GOS was a thing in the 90s, but it was a real pain in the ass most of the time. The .50 gunner was making a 'beaten zone', which is basically using an MG as indirect fire to deny an area, not sure if they still train this - glad you pointed this out. My grandfather was pretty honest that they'd light-up any Germans that they captured holding any of their shit, even a pack of smokes - because it usually meant they'd looted some of their mates' bodies; there was an attitude that they didn't get to kill their guys and get to fuck off to some cushy camp while they had to keep fighting and probably dying. That's probably one of the realest parts you don't see much - they could surrender without putting up a fight, or die. It wasn't sporting, allied soldiers were far more ruthless than is often portrayed in media.
Why did the SM need a personal security detail? How many people were on it? Was this for in or outside the wire? If it was for inside the wire, why were you not always with the SM? Were you just assigned this task, or were you in a unit whose function was to provide personal security to individuals?
When Shia goes, “wait till you see.” And the new private says, “see what?” Shia: “what a man can do to another man.” Gave me chills man.
Same. Best line in the whole movie, in my opinion.
Yeah that line was powerful 🙌, because it really painted what was war about: men doing atrocious things to others men !
War brings out the worst and the best in humanity
Shia saying it with a cold hard stare.
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My father was 2nd Armored, 82nd recon from Sicily to berlin. Served from North Africa. Silver star.
Took him to see Saving Private Ryan in 98.
After the movie ended he just sat there, my mother at his side, for quite a while. People walking out just looking.
Went for ice cream after, my wife asking if the movie was real.
He looked down and said, yea the most real was the sounds of rounds bouncing off steel
BUT he said, when the soldier was stabbed bothered him because at that time in the war he carried 2 .45's, a carbine and at least one grenade
and there's no way that he would have been in that position
Plus when you had no ammo you moved, as simple as that. Even before, once your pos was discovered you moved
Days later my mother said after the movie, he told her the hardest part was him hearing "earn this", "tell me I lived a good life"
She said after returning home from the war he would awake screaming at her in German in his sleep for a few years
My father was a good man, raised 8 kids, and never said a word about the war.
Always told his sons to not enlist, not trust the government.
Respect
My grandfather hit Omaha beach.. lost most of his guys getting off the boat. Ended up getting afew promotions bcuz everyone else died. He liked the movie but said the real thing was alot worse. He didn't really speak about the war much. But he came home with alot of medals and 3 purple hearts. N he stayed until it was over.
As a current M2A1 50 gunner. He's effectively using the weapon system as an indirect weapon. He's utilizing plunging fire to put rounds down range. Your commentary and explanation was 100% correct.
Exactly. Maybe they had a target. Maybe they were putting some H.and I. in a area. That war was massive compared to what we’ve had.
I think what a lot of people miss is that where they're at in the opening scene is because they're the only tank in their platoon to survive a battle with a Tiger tank. When they're in the first camp and the tank commanders are talking, one says something like "I thought there were no more tigers left" and Brad Pit replies with "tell that to the rest of my platoon". The tiger they fight in the field later in the day is the second time they were the last tank standing in the same sort of battle... that day.
The entire movie was one full 24 hour day. Sunrise to sunrise.
As a Tanker I totally enjoyed hearing snake eaters talking about my craft. Best job I ever had🤙
A scene that was overlooked was when the German soldier sees norm under the tank when he shines the flashlight on him. It was such a beautiful moment of, yes we’re enemies but we’re still both human.
It was a young soldier, i wonder if they were trying to put across that Norm wasn't an exception in this war. Both sides were throwing in young men some of which maybe didn't want to kill anyone. He did what Norm at the start would have done or that Polygot from Saving Private Ryan did with the German Soldier that came back in the end.
Doesn't fit their narrative and would clash with their appallingly dumb "I would shoot unarmed NaZIs in the back without a second thought" stance, forgetting that not every german soldier was a convinced one and out for blood. The one Norman had to shoot was a regular soldier, not a Waffen SS.
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Your comment and that scene in the film remind me of this, stick it into your search engine if you fancy a read;
‘ World War One: The British hero who did not shoot Hitler’
Basically, a British Soldier was in his trench and he could see someone approaching, when they got closer he could tell it was a German, neither shot at each other and the German turned back to find his own trench.
That German soldier was Hitler.
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But shooting the german POW is ok, I guess?
@@GLevario12that’s probably what the film is going for, but it’s somewhat hard to believe someone like that would exist within an SS battalion. By that point in the war, the only people left in the ss battalions were some absolute diehards who fully drank the kool-aide. He was far more likely to just kill the enemy soldier than let him live.
Fury is the kind of movie you can watch many times.
stg i’ve watched it 15 times
@@wannamebruh on my fifth lol
not really. it's got issues for TRUE WW2 fans.
@@MikeyRumi180 lol? saying youre a ww2 fan is such a pathetic thing to say “im a fan of the mass murder and genocide of people” get a life i could care less its a fucking MOVIE
@@MikeyRumi180 the battle scenes were fucked, but the mentality and portrayal of how soldiers act and talk is one of the better portrayals.
Dude, really connected w/ the dinner scene in the same way Buck described - trying to tap into a sense of normalcy in a war zone. Case in point - saw this flick in my down time in Afghanistan while trying to chill out. The part where the young girl starts to sing with the playing of the piano actually made me close my eyes bc it sounded so beautiful, and I was instantly removed from where I was. I rewound that part 3 more times to do the same thing bc it was access to one of the only parts of the world I left behind that seemed right at my finger tips. We do what we have to to feel normal at times. Keep up the good work guys.
I went to Zumba until they mortared the gym.
Anybody else remember the hockey games in Khandahar? Small amount of normalcy in the middle of chaos.
My grandpa was a sherman tank commander in the 32nd Armor Rgt -3rd Armor Div. Brad Pitt wasn't nearly as bad-ass as my grandpa though. They took a tiger tank round in the turret during the battle of the bulge, decimated the gunner, and with my grandpa sitting directly behind him it blew off his jaw. Made it all the way back to London for surgery,
Geepers... and that's before modern medicine, modern surgery, pain management, etc
Tough as nails
My Grandfather was also in the Battle of the Bulge, he never really talked about it much. I assume your Grandpa didn't either, unlike these guys. This movie is spot on accurate, not taking away from Ryan, or Band of Brothers. Solders humanity was in short supply, its really amazing that these men came home and became the Greatest Generation.
@@matthewhopkins1999 Quite actually, he wasn't shy about talking about it at all. He would get choked up, but he loved talking about his buddies, his crewman and how they were heroes.
@@chrisburke624 They had morphine back then.
real life pimp
Ok, I have to say I stumbled onto this probably because I've watched other Veterans do a reaction video to movies and just sit there and do nothing poop on the movie. But what what I love and what this channel does so well is the "why" something is happening and the incredible insight and stories shared makes it so much more engaging.
BTW, thank you for your service!
I did not go that deep into the egg scene in my mind I'll be honest. You guys just opened up a whole new side to something I've seen a dozen times. Holy shit.
Ya I definitely didn't see it that way. I saw it as Shia being jealous that the kid still had some innocence left and he was pissed at Brad Pitt for feeding it. Like "I can never go back to that because of the things I had to do to keep you alive, and now you're gonna sit here and exercise that civility with the kid, knowing full well that we can't anymore? Fuck you. If can't have it, no one can." Especially since right after that, the mortar round hits the house, killing her, and, metaphorically, everything she meant to him.
@@TheCoolwhipped yeah it's crazy to think that they've lost everything that makes them a normal feeling human being. They've seen so much they're just numb to it and basically going on instinct like wild animals .
Yes, the egg scene now makes sense. Incredible explanation. It's now, to me, the glue that holds the whole movie together.
@@ChazFLA648 it used to upset and piss me off so badly I would fast forward. It really made me hate Jon Bernthal's character with a passion.
@@VanyaTheSlavic who pissed in your cornflakes? Or licked your eggs to be on topic.
I personally love the meal scene, the brokeness portrayed is heartbreaking.
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They were a-holes but they saw real sh so it's like you want to give them a pass.
That scene gets to me every time. Seeing Bible’s eyes shrink-wrapped in tears while Gordo tells his story, those are eyes that have seen far too much.
The crew dynamic is 100% on point for how tank crews behave around each-other.
The dinner scene in Fury may be the best scene ever filmed behind the “you think I’m funny how” scene from The Goodfellas. Or Vice versa. So gritty. So beautiful.
I think you guys nailed the interpretation of that scene. You can’t be normal after seeing and doing the things required of you in combat. Especially back then. This was such an underrated scene
As a tank driver I will say this movie is pretty accurate as far as how a tank crew works,fire commands.utilization of working tanks.this is by far one of my favorite movies
Someone asked me to describe a good tank crew in as few words as possible, my reply;
“Four dudes that think they’re one dude”
You might appreciate this reaction to Fury from an ex-PLA tank driver:
th-cam.com/video/Sd3bIjL5sU4/w-d-xo.html
Here's some trivia on that execution scene... The Nazi is singled out because he's wearing a US Army overcoat, and by the Rules of Land Warfare it's a war crime for a soldier to wear the enemy's uniform, and if caught you may be executed on sight. No joke. So it's not just some soldiers being mean and looking for revenge, they actually had a legal justification.
For me, as a veteran tanker, the best scene was the battle with the Tiger. Pretty much accurate for how a mixed M4 group would have dealt with a Tiger. For reference the original squad Fury had was 2 M4A2, 1 looked like an M4A3 with an M4A2 turret and "Fury" is an M4A3E8. Only 2 of the 4 tanks had the 76mm gun while the others had the more common 75mm. None of which could reliably penetrate the front armor of a Tiger.
I've had so many people say that charging the Tiger was stupid, but the fact was M4s were faster and more agile, but had shit armor compared to the Tiger. Getting to the sides or the rear was the only option.
I don’t know their doctrine back then, but I agree with you. You’re presenting your thickest armor to his gun, you’re moving and forcing him to move his turret and both tanks know that the Sherman is faster.
Even if it was their doctrine, I know that it’s a movie and I loved it.
How did they open the hatch? Can’t you lock it from inside?
76mm could upper front plate (and lower plate too) pen a Tiger
You might appreciate this reaction to Fury from an ex-PLA tank driver:
th-cam.com/video/Sd3bIjL5sU4/w-d-xo.html
The take on the egg scene is enlightening. As someone who tried to serve, wasn't able to and always has a huge regret and I guess shame, hearing stuff like this that feels it comes from personal experience and being able to relate as well as friends who did serve telling me they're glad I didn't , having not to go through that change, that loss of innocence/humanity. Thanks
Let me ratchet up my pants and tell youins a story... I was a M60 tanker at first, then transitioned to the M1 in the 1980's. I agree that the M60 was a steel coffin, but not an M1. Your only real fear is from aircraft overhead, but they are now carrying stingers on the M1 in some units?. An infantry man can possibly take out a track, but you are safe inside. He'd better run for his life after firing.
The WW2 M4 Sherman in Fury was a steel coffin for sure. The soldiers and marines fighting in those had some real cajones. Going up against those German Panthers, and Tigers, oh shit! Worse even still, the Jagdpanther. This was a tank destroyer. It had that wicked 88mm gun, and was really fast. They could really reach out and touch you. We, Americans enjoyed air superiority in ww2, so we did not have to face the stutka bombers like other armies had to.
Thomas Guides were AWESOME. It did take some getting used to, I'll admit, but I used them heavily from '98 to '01, all over the US. The front of the book had the high level map for the area (Mine were usually states, but some were more focused), on the high level view were squares that were labeled with pages that hold the detail. On the edge of a detail page the adjacent detail page is identified.
Thomas Guide sounds like the Mapsco we used all over Central TX (78-82)
i have been fan of fury for so long, watching this reacting and breakdown of reel and real life events helped me understand this movie even more. like for example 15:50 i thought that gunner was eye balling the aim and shooting but then what you said made that scene understand even better.
You might appreciate this reaction to Fury from an ex-PLA tank driver:
th-cam.com/video/Sd3bIjL5sU4/w-d-xo.html
Happy New Year FNG crew. Fury is a great movie just re-watched it last week
Check out T-34, it's really an amazing film and I think better/more realistic in many ways than Fury. I prefer the Russian (undubbed) version. th-cam.com/video/_aA0dVzCvn0/w-d-xo.html
I thought this latest version was the weakest of all the films of the book, despite the capabilities of modern film production.
@@TB-zf7we Movies never live up to books because books are your precise personification of events happening inside your mind and a movie is someone else's ideas, another persons vision mixed with yet another's creative directive. I try not to judge movies off of books. I have not seen any other Colin Falconer adaptations
Great movie and your evaluation of the meal scene is spot on. New to your channel, but liking what I'm seeing. Keep up the good work and Happy New Year.
Happy new year buck, Abel, Kurt and team. Here's to another year of bigger and better things for the fng academy!!!
The scene with the captain also shows how an experienced officer interacts with an NCO, as opposed to the new lieutenant.
Yes the lieutenant was spouting orders and using hand signals that are for use in combat when your men can't hear you because of all the noise in battle when they were 3 feet from them and no shooting or artillery going off. And the captain just lays out the situation and objective to Wardaddy and says I know who you are. Meaning also that he knew he was a seasoned tank commander and said now go paste them hard and get my men out. He also tells his platoon leader of his men that he sent as support that you are working for him now. Letting him know with out a any question who was in charge of the operation.
The tank commands and vehicle movements as a team are 100% spot on. Brought a tear to my seeing how well the excuted that. Was a Bradley gunner and commander for a little also.
Really? I was under the impression that taking a Tiger head on was pretty contrary to the actual tactics. Maybe I’m wrong though…
@@youngwildcat08 Also, it is standard doctrine to shoot the lead tank in a column, not the rear. Fury is a very entertaining, if somewhat hollywood-ized, film.
@@zoch9797 I think it was Rommel who developed the tactic of liking the lead and trail vehicles to cut off escape
@@youngwildcat08 iirc Sherman was lighter and faster so the tactic was to get around the Tiger sacs shoot it in the ass where the arbor was thinnest.
Had to do that from 800yd or whatever it was so they had to close the distance. Personally, of the trees weren't too thick I'd have drove through them using them for concealment and tried to flank the field.
@@politicallyinsensitive4200 The Fury had the 76mm high velocity gun, and so could defeat the Tiger from the front at range of 800m, even further since this was later in the war and they had HVAP rounds available...so there was not much of a need for them to close the range. On the flip side, the long barrel of the 76mm made Fury even more of a target...so the fact that the Tiger did not shoot Fury first was very unrealistic. And the thing is, they did not have to be unrealistic to be dramatic...they could have just had Fury be a Sherman with a regular 75mm gun, and it would have made multiple historical issues just disappear. In fact, had Fury been a regular gun Sherman, the movie could have been even more dramatic. IMHO
Anyway, it is a great movie in many ways, but there were quite a few things they got wrong that probably would have been better if they had tried to be more accurate and...it could have been so much better. ✌
I TOTALLY remember Thomas Guides. I worked as a Paramedic in Los Angeles County and in Kern County. We memorized certain pages and coordinates to make it easier. That exchange between the guys made me smile. Nothing like trying to navigate DTLA...running code 3...in rush hour...while utilizing a Thomas Guide...good times.
We had Mapsco's. a big spiral bound book of maps with grids.
Definitely gonna get me a pair of your boots. Serving in the navy made me appreciate a good quality boot and timberland is my absolute favorite. You guys using the same factory cant wait to see how they turn out
outstanding work, eye opening insights plus super cool dudes, i dig it, what'd you guys think about the movie harsh times with christian bale? its a heavy hitter for me i think its a diffinitive viewpoint of a high speed spec ops soldier acclamating or integrating into society, iam always curious what others think of it
Fury is one of my favorite movies of all time! Great one to review to start the new years off right! Happy New Year Boys! 🤘🏼🇺🇸
Only a good movie if you don't care about them being historically accurate.
@@robertsears8323 it's a movie .. it's entertainment. Nothing more than that....
@Robert Sears How many times you going to comment that same thing?
15:00 He was doing what is called "plunging fire" or "indirect fire", which is firing a weapon at a high angle so the bullet falls in a arching trajectory. The weapon is an M2 Browning which fires a large calibre round and has a long range.Essentially he was harassing some German positions that weren't in his direct line of sight.
I don't know if you guys would every react to a 10 episode miniseries, but I highly recommend Band of Brothers. It is such a great series and touches a lot of the points you made that made this movie great. The best part is that the advisers of the series were the actual paratroopers the series follows!
Agreed
Make that a mini series of reactions
Band of Brothers and The Pacific were the two best ever.
Absolutely agree. One of the best miniseries ever made. Will give you a new appreciation for the ww2 GI.
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I agree with you on the dinner scene 100% and you are correct that a lot of people don't understand it fully.
Hello guys, I'm a fan from Thailand. Thank you for make great video for us to watch.👊🏻🇹🇭🙏🏻
Absoluetly love this movie, and hearing your guys breakdown on this makes it even more enjoyable. I always thought the dinner scene was the worst part of the movie, but your explaination makes me want to re-watch it now. Thanks so much guys.
Great discussion, great movie. What you said about being willing to give your life for someone and that being what makes the relationship between service members and veterans different than ordinary friendships is spot on.
Little info after your chat regarding GPS, I installed first-generation Trimble units in the 10th Aviation brigade UH-60s & AH-1s. While working as a contractor at Ft. Drum prior to their deployment to Somalia, KFOR, and Haiti starting in 1993. They were big boxy units that used a separate antenna mounted on top of the aircraft.
Great show.The Tiger tank used in the movie was the last operational tank. The tank was on a straight concrete strip to protect it from getting damaged. Thats why you see it only going back and forward. Looking forward to more videos.
What's interesting is that most of the negative reactions to the tank battle state it's completely unrealistic tactically speaking (in terms of how the respective tank commanders act, who/how they choose to shoot, tactics involved, etc.). Knowing the Tiger could only move back and forward helps clear up, for me, a lot of the decisions the filmmakers made.
Tiger tank would not leave it's cover and concealment, and Fury would have been targeted first as the greatest threat with it's 76.2mm high velocity gun. It could defeat the frontal armor of a Tger I at 500yrds
@@conamer6738 Michael Wittmann want to talk to you
@@Personwhomakedvids Michael Wittmann ambushed a British column that had stopped, crews dismounted, consulting maps, without any surveillance around them. Whittmann was in cover then moved out of cover to destroy last column tanks as they were the only dangers to his tank before shooting up the armoured cars and trucks in the column.
Wittmann was killed doing another stunt only three weeks later.
I get that it's the last Tiger and needs to be preserved, but its kinda funny that the once most feared tank on the battlefield needs a special road instead of driving in a field so it doesn't get a boo-boo.
One of the best reviews you've done lads, very thoughtful insight into the psyche of battle hardened troops versus the "rookie".
The deleted scenes on this movie were also amazing. It's like 50 mins of cut scenes
Love watching you comments you bring a different point of view to life and death. Those that fought before you did the same.
"Fury" has to be THE best war movie next to "Saving Private Ryan."
I can see. You've never heard of "Come and See."
Black hawk down is awesome to
12:57 That LT was also probably the Nth butter bar that they’d gone through.
Fury for me was the Saving Private Ryan of the Armor. I love this movie. There are no slouch performances. No one mailed it in.
I feel the same, sure there were inaccuracies but no movie is perfect. The cast was perfect, you could feel the bond they shared.
The very last scene of this movie when he is in the ambulance driving away looking back on the tanks.....a beautiful scene. BEST JOB I EVER HAD!
Man, you really did make me see the scene at the table very differently. I had always seen it as the crew being angry that they had gone through the whole war together and Top took the new guy to have a nice meal and get laid. Just simple envy or jealously. The way you broke it down completely changes the tone for me.
Time frame please ?
Fury is a movie that, when it the showing finished, everyone was silent as they left the theater. It is fantastic. Imperfect, but so well done.
Nothing to add. This movie was incredible.
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I became a cop in 1990 and the Thomas Guide was our Bible. They were super easy to use once you have an understanding of how they work (not that difficult). They were the greatest tool around for learning your area and getting knowledge of your surroundings.
I remember having to use the Thomas Brothers guide in the early 2000s. I delivered parts for a car dealership. It was very popular because it was way more update as you can be. And way better then previous maps that you had to unfold and fill up the seating area and so on.
That’s a great assessment of officer asking NCO,s for advice 👍👍
I think another scene that caught my eye was bernthal telling young Norman that he’s a good man and to stay that way, swallowed so much pride and damage in his life that wouldn’t be caught like that in front of the crew, I thought that was strong
been waitin for this one
You guys should do a breakdown of some combat scenes of Clear and Present Danger.
21:00 Lol Yeah I remember Thomas Guides back in the 80s getting around Los Angeles.
Fury is hands down one of the greatest War films of the modern era. I remember seeing this movie when it originally released in theaters on my B-Day since I was visiting family in L.A. Instantly became one of my favorites. Lol
Only a good movie if you don't care about them being historically accurate.
@@robertsears8323 Honestly I've realized that I love these historically rather inaccurate movies like Fury, Saving Private Ryan or Top Gun Maverick. I'm way more entertained by these kind of movies than those rather dark, gritty and realistic movies. Not to be mistaken, I still enjoy the more realistic movies but watching "All quiet on the western front" made me feel like shi* and obviously thats not a kind of entertainment that you want to enjoy regularly. At the end of the day, movies are made to entertain you, give you a good time.
@@robertsears8323 can’t have everything right 🤷🏻♂️ better he likes this than Hurt Locker.
@@robertsears8323 they don’t stay 100% accurate but they get a lot of things right, too. The Panzerfaust was depicted accurately for a change and they did a great job of catching to feel of being cramped inside a tank with 4 other dirty people
@@williamflowers9435 I guess I tried to watch the movie once but 5 minuets into the movie they did some stupid BS that would have never happened in real life and I got very pissed and I have hated this movie ever since.
My dad drove a tank in Korea during Vietnam. Always tells a story of them crossing a river during a rain storm and the tank starts to fill with water. Said he went in reverse and floored it. Said he went half way up the hill behind them before they got him to stop
I love this movie. Legendary cast, instant classic. Brutal and beautiful.
Thomas guides were amazing! Once you knew how to navigate the book you were never lost.
it would be great to see you guys do breakdowns over a band of brothers or the pacific. Since they are both mini-series it would give you guys the ability to review each episode. That's a lot of content for you guys.
The Pacific wes awesome!
I had to use the Thomas guide for the first 10 years of my career in construction. I'm glad I learned how to use one because when shtf I'll still be able to navigate.
Happy new year , another great episode . Fury reminds me of episode 8 of Band Of Brothers when they have to cross the river, and everyone's sick and cold and tired of war
That story you told about keep feeding nades to that cowboy😅sounds like me playing medal of honor warfighter 😂I've had to do that to end up completing on veteran difficulty ,kept asking voodoo for nades against the technicals on the level shut it down ,literally right at the end of the game ,my advice is bring your own nades to that cowboy ,its like turning up to to gunfight with a catapult and a rolling pin ,like "dude, what you planning ?"
Thank you for your service, i love watching you two break down movies from the unrealistic to the real. With this movie I felt that Brad Pitts character connecting with the younger solider at the dinner scene was my favorite part of the movie, so many emotions in that scene. The part that i most appreciated in that scene is when Jon Bernthal licks the egg from that girls plate but Brad Pitt switches plates with her and starts eating the egg not giving a shit about someone else's saliva being on it, almost like he was saying "You're my boy but fuck you! You're not ruining this moment for me!" And then of course after that everyone on the team starts to open up to each other... brilliant moment of that movie.
Its Michael Pena. Try wild turkey rare. If you like the woodford reserve, youll really like this. Thank you , both of you, for your service
At 43:32, the host nails the idea laid out in the bible verse: "John 15:13 '13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.'" And I am so happy to see the Bible and it's teaching come to life in modern day, even though I haven't been a regular churchgoer in 5 years
As an EMT a few years ago, we would use a Thomas guide to route to a call. The mobile data terminal had a Thomas guide grid reference in accordance with the call. It was relatively easy once you got the hang of it. I made sure every new hire was proficient in it because it was the last resort to find the location. Abel, the Thomas guide still exists.
So happy to find this channel. Those damn glory hounds, the Navy Seals, get all the publicity. As a former Army officer, I know the Green Berets are better. I am an old lady - almost 70 - but a marathon runner. I want to do more strength training and will follow some of your links. Also, I loved “Fury”.
That came all the way from left field! “I’ll come into your max effective range”. I expect that from Buck. 😂😂😂
I've been a paramedic/ firefighter since 2002. We used an ADC map book for 911 calls regularly until 2015 maybe. We hammered the rookies with ADC map drills the same way you guys described. We were expected to memorize main answer secondary roads which made the map book easier
@15:30 Long-range indirect-fire with an MG. It's a rare technique, kinda a "lost art" these days. Firing an MG from a defilade was well-known in WW1. The Marine Infantry Officers Course teaches it briefly, but I've never seen it employed anywhere else.
@31:22 You guys should check out "War On Everyone" with Alexander Skarsgaard and Daniel Pena. Hilarious dark comedy buddy cop movie.
I used those Thomas guides all the time, in my biz for pest control as well. The Plates you mentioned where a pain in the ass, expecting when those pages got used until they fell out of the guide. lol
My dad taught me about Thomas guide! I saw this movie in the theater & it has never been the same! I left with goosebumps. I loved the authenticity of both the the Americans & the Germans. Great movie & breakdown, Men!
I served in the Marine Corps infantry from 81-85. We first started using GPS in 1985, and it was the size of a laptop computer and only gave you a 10 digit grid coordinate
My father was 1-1 of Team Iowa CCC in Vietnam and I had the chance to meet his LT 1-0. I had a chance to sit down and talk to him about being an special operations team leader as an LT. I learned more about leadership in that one hour than I did in 4 years of officer training.
Thomas Guide! I remember when I was either in 8th or 9th grade, I drove back East with my uncle, from CA to NY going E on 80 and we came back via 1 S to 40 W. My uncle was a WWII USMC veteran. I had, along with clearing the septic tanks, making sure we got fresh water, breaking out all of the gear and putting it away when we stopped, etc, etc "junk jobs", the responsibility for manning the Thomas Guide. In retrospect, he provided one of my best Summer educations ever on that journey. When we would be getting close to a town, or if he decided we were going to stop at some historical site, or he might tell me to look for historical places to visit - it was my responsibility to find it and navigate to the location.
God Bless!
49:10 Similar to pilots, especially test pilots. They sound so calm right before they crash because they are simply evaluating their options and flying the plane accordingly. Until flying is removed from the list of options.
I did a gig as a taxi driver in the late 1980s using the Thomas guides for getting around in LA. Now with GPS its easy , then it was a pain.
Army vet here 25U it was great watching this reaction. You dropped many gems throughout. New sub 🫡
Been looking forward to this one for a while, Happy New Years yall
I never served on a tank,but I did study them in university
I think the biggest difference of tank back then and now days,are the night vision which let tanks fight at night, gun stabilizer that makes firing on the move easier, all kinds of camera ,senser and computer that helps tanker fight,and all kinds of data links that helps tanker communicat with people all over the battlefield
Other than those,I think the basic principle of tanks are still the same,a big track vehicle with big gun and is really hard to kill
The first two minutes had me smiling ear to ear man i love this channel
My grandfather said, when he went to Vietnam his Sgt. told him the day he arrived in country he would walk point for the squad while they were on patrol. Their previous point man was KIA. He told him "I don't know anything about walking point." to which the Sgt. replied, "You will learn, if you live long enough."
Here we go again. Every German soldier was a Nazi. How many times have I heard this? Greetings from a proud German.
the last scene where you were talking about the gun in hand...you have to realize this was a time when PTSD was not a recognized thing. They called it shell shock but it had no diagnosis in literature. It is only in the last few decades that PTSD has been a recognized diagnosis for soldiers and other alike. They may have let him keep his gun because they had no reason to feel they needed to take it away
15:35 there's two .50 cals going, and they're talking, so there's always rounds going down range.
Hagstrom Map. Still have one in my work truck. Bc while your cellphone GPS might still work without cell service; good luck having it load a map datum….
I always had a Thomas Guide in my truck! Used the grids! Great review!
I remember using a Thomas Guide (similar) and the big maps at the border of every town to try and navigate to the address... When GPS came along it saved us two hours a day!
Idk if you guys have done this review yet, but All Quiet on the Western Front would be a good one for you guys to review. Great review, Fury is definitely one of my top favorite war movies. They really paid attention to some of the finer details that one can appreciate.
LETSSS GOOOOOOO, I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
Much love to my fellow 19-Ks (Tank Driver/Operators). Death Before Dismount!
16:00 At the initial landings in We Were Soldiers, the men open up on the tree line for no obvious reason after they disembark the helos. I saw where some people called it "reconnoiter by fire". Basically shoot at nothing, just to see if it shoots back at you. That sounds pretty similar to what you're describing.
Thomas Guides sound like the Gazeteers that I used. They were my goto maps for backcountry travel because they had every road and trail on them, and they were accurate. They also had gps grids, so I could double check difficult resupply locations with my hiking gps. Hiking size gps units at that time only gave you the numbers, you didn’t get any terrain maps or even color screens, it was just black and white with dots and lines as a record for wherever you went and marked.
Y’all discussed some things I missed. Thanks for the review.
'rounds'...
he wasnt target practicing, we used to do something called 'plunging fire' with the M2,
hes giving plunging fire support in conjunction with the motar that was shown firing.
GOS was a thing in the 90s, but it was a real pain in the ass most of the time.
The .50 gunner was making a 'beaten zone', which is basically using an MG as indirect fire to deny an area, not sure if they still train this - glad you pointed this out.
My grandfather was pretty honest that they'd light-up any Germans that they captured holding any of their shit, even a pack of smokes - because it usually meant they'd looted some of their mates' bodies; there was an attitude that they didn't get to kill their guys and get to fuck off to some cushy camp while they had to keep fighting and probably dying. That's probably one of the realest parts you don't see much - they could surrender without putting up a fight, or die. It wasn't sporting, allied soldiers were far more ruthless than is often portrayed in media.
Heck yeah I used a Thomas Guide! Like all the time! They were REALLY detailed! I still have an old one laying around here.
Why did the SM need a personal security detail? How many people were on it? Was this for in or outside the wire? If it was for inside the wire, why were you not always with the SM? Were you just assigned this task, or were you in a unit whose function was to provide personal security to individuals?