Good save on the CR comment Tim. Glad the guy helped point it out. I agree that this is going to be an exciting year for the midsized market. That 2.7 in the GM twins is a killer and I am optimistic that they "tuned" the transmission for better results.
Personally, I don't mind if I have to take a new Truck back to the Dealership one time for a new transmission as long as I am in love with the way the truck looks, drives, comfort, ect, ect. Its my money, my time and my life and how I choose to live and make choices is my bussiness. Being a GM retired employee also helps on knocking of 4 or 5k on the MSRP. I just ordered Canyon btw.
Interesting to look at all midsize at once and see the trends across segments. Most seem to revolve around electronic issues manifesting in mechanical symptoms (aka transmission or engine issues)
Just like the Full truck rating survey. GM and Chevy in last place again. They must be hurting? Even though Ram was 1st place. I must say Toyota has a lot more consistency with higher ratings over the years. Why can’t the others keep the same consistency as Toyota? Nice video Tim as always. 👍
Because other automakers want to reinvent the wheel every few years by doing complete redesigns on their models. Toyota on the other hand is very conservative and only does mild refreshes and incremental changes, that's why the Tundra took forever to be redesigned and it became a bulletproof model as far as reliability goes.
@@IamGroot786 been driving Toyota since 2000, have had 5 Toyotas over the years , still have two of them but they are not the new-generation 22^ 23^ nor would I want to buy one.
@@CMS069Exactly. I kept a Toyota for 16 years. In that time besides oil changes and other regular maintenance I replaced one belt and did one brake job.
Honda V6 has cylinder deactivation on the back 3 cylinders. It makes the truck stumble when it turns those cylinders back on. It also causes the plugs to foul as miles pile up. They should have a switch to turn off this feature.
I owned a 2020 Tacoma TRD Offroad for about a year and I absolutely hated it. The worst driving truck I've ever owned, by far. I always take CR rankings with a MASSIVE grain of salt because their data pool is extremely limited, so I wouldn't take it to the bank.
the only way to know if GM's 8 speed revision fixed anything is to touch 75k to 150k or dismantling one, as it has been well documented that any kind of power will make that transmission grenade in spectacular ways and since the new 2.7' has a higher power celing... im eager to see if either GM will get bit in the ass for their awful product or they finally made it decent...
Thanks Tim, I really enjoy your videos about dependability and durability. For me this is the topic I am most interested in. On and off road capabilities and fancy electronics are great but pointless if broken. I also subscribe to and follow CR, any thoughts on going out and doing an external video of their testing? Could even reach out to other sources like JD Power as well as well.
Simple - past performance. You can't wait until they are on the road. People need information to help their buying decision. I get asked about reliability on future vehicles all the damn time.
They're looking at data (Owners feedback) on the same model for last few years, especially if it hasn't been fully redesigned. When there's complete redesign, like with the Colorado now, my guess is they have to take into account the brand's overall performance in the past.
Well that sounds bogus. Past performance!!??? Yes we are rating your totally new,totally redesigned, new engine new exterior and interior Colorado but looking at a 2021 Colorado!! Whose pulling the wool over your eye's? Even my dog is laughing
@@gordmonteath6090 what “data” do you use to buy any product? What if your girlfriend cheated on you 5 times, but you married her anyway based on your predicted reliability?
It is cheap if you order from a dealer that charges msrp they are out there. You will have to wait for the build but it's worth it. I own 2 Mavericks. Ask any questions on my channel.
@Ford Maverick Maniac it's not worth it. I have a maverick xl ecoboost awd. Rust bottom. Cheap plastic. When u accelerate it sounds like a drill. The cab is so noisy. The materials they used to build it so cheap. If u get the lariat trim it's almost 40k. At that price a tacoma and ridgeline is a better buy.
I have a Maverick. Some of the parts are cheap but they work well and look good, simple. I got it at MSRP and very happy with it. No rust. I have the hybrid- drives quiet and acceleration is good. I have a loaded Lariat. With everything I wanted it was under $34k and getting 46 mpg in mixed driving. Very worth it and I could sell it for more than I paid for it.
@@pecanstamped4522 Hi Amy, I bought my Maverick Lariat for about $32 loaded with everything I wanted. I traded in a XLT Maverick that I bought for about $28 (also with the luxury package and a few other nice options. I'm very, very happy with my Maverick. The downside was I had to wait a long time after I ordered it. I think they've raised prices a little bit but they are still a better value than most other vehicles. I'm also getting in the mid 40s mpg in mixed driving.
They're still using the eight speed even though they say it's a second gin that has been too indifferently. From what I understand the transmission has to be totally redesigned to fix the issues
There is also the psychology that is not accounted for in CRs surveys and rankings. It’s about the type of people that purchase various brands and models, and that they are willing to fill out a survey, etc. In addition to that the age of those that rely on CR and complete these surveys trend to the older demographic.
Nothing Personal my friend, But when you Google what you're talking about There Are So Many reports saying something different, they All have their own opinions who's the best ,worst and who last the longest 🤔
Tim hates the fact that foreign automakers are always on top of reliability lists. Lol it’s so easy to see he’s partial to domestic, especially Ford products. Which is fine. But we just want facts. Not him trying to sprinkle his biases to try to change views 🤷🏻♂️
I don't see that. He reports it as he see"s it, unbiased. What i disagree with, is him using CR as his "data base". CR is not on the up and up like they used to be.
I completely disagree with this. Tim knows that the Tacoma, Tundra, Ridgeline, Frontier, and Titan are all made in the United States thus making them Domestics. He has videos defending the quirks of the latest Tundra. His viewpoints on the Frontier have been similar on reviews like Sarah-N-Tuned and others.
I like Tim, I grew up in Michigan, he's got that dry delivery..just the facts lol. Like a warm blanket
Good save on the CR comment Tim. Glad the guy helped point it out.
I agree that this is going to be an exciting year for the midsized market. That 2.7 in the GM twins is a killer and I am optimistic that they "tuned" the transmission for better results.
Personally, I don't mind if I have to take a new Truck back to the Dealership one time for a new transmission as long as I am in love with the way the truck looks, drives, comfort, ect, ect. Its my money, my time and my life and how I choose to live and make choices is my bussiness. Being a GM retired employee also helps on knocking of 4 or 5k on the MSRP. I just ordered Canyon btw.
I bought a 2021 ridgeline and have no issues, they extended the warranty on start stop ignition for 10 years
Interesting to look at all midsize at once and see the trends across segments.
Most seem to revolve around electronic issues manifesting in mechanical symptoms (aka transmission or engine issues)
I now have a gas powered 2017 F-250 and and thinking I may get the 2025 Honda Ridgeline.
Stay away from Ford, gmc , Chevy. I would go with the Frontier 👍
Just like the Full truck rating survey. GM and Chevy in last place again. They must be hurting? Even though Ram was 1st place. I must say Toyota has a lot more consistency with higher ratings over the years. Why can’t the others keep the same consistency as Toyota? Nice video Tim as always. 👍
Because other automakers want to reinvent the wheel every few years by doing complete redesigns on their models. Toyota on the other hand is very conservative and only does mild refreshes and incremental changes, that's why the Tundra took forever to be redesigned and it became a bulletproof model as far as reliability goes.
@@IamGroot786 been driving Toyota since 2000, have had 5 Toyotas over the years , still have two of them but they are not the new-generation 22^ 23^ nor would I want to buy one.
@@IamGroot786 I was a Toyota tech for just about 23 years and the process Toyota has works great. I can go into details as in how but it’s very long.
@@CMS069Exactly. I kept a Toyota for 16 years. In that time besides oil changes and other regular maintenance I replaced one belt and did one brake job.
@@Aaron-or6ovThey’re rock solid. We still have a Sienna and the damn thing just runs.
Honda V6 has cylinder deactivation on the back 3 cylinders. It makes the truck stumble when it turns those cylinders back on. It also causes the plugs to foul as miles pile up. They should have a switch to turn off this feature.
Bro check out used Ridgelines on Edmunds. There are Ridgelines with over 300k miles all over the place. Don’t be a clown 🤡
Cool video & thank you for the info
What about the diesel canyon/colorado with the 6 speed auto? Is that in the data?
Yes, it is in the data, but the data isn’t broken out by engines. I’ve never found that broken out in 14 years of doing this.
I owned a 2020 Tacoma TRD Offroad for about a year and I absolutely hated it. The worst driving truck I've ever owned, by far. I always take CR rankings with a MASSIVE grain of salt because their data pool is extremely limited, so I wouldn't take it to the bank.
the only way to know if GM's 8 speed revision fixed anything is to touch 75k to 150k or dismantling one, as it has been well documented that any kind of power will make that transmission grenade in spectacular ways and since the new 2.7' has a higher power celing... im eager to see if either GM will get bit in the ass for their awful product or they finally made it decent...
Thanks Tim, I really enjoy your videos about dependability and durability. For me this is the topic I am most interested in. On and off road capabilities and fancy electronics are great but pointless if broken. I also subscribe to and follow CR, any thoughts on going out and doing an external video of their testing? Could even reach out to other sources like JD Power as well as well.
I’ve been invited just can’t seem to make it out that way.
Most reliable 2023 midsize trucks??????? How could they be rated when most of these trucks are not even on the road yet? What is CR talking about?
Simple - past performance. You can't wait until they are on the road. People need information to help their buying decision. I get asked about reliability on future vehicles all the damn time.
They're looking at data (Owners feedback) on the same model for last few years, especially if it hasn't been fully redesigned. When there's complete redesign, like with the Colorado now, my guess is they have to take into account the brand's overall performance in the past.
Well that sounds bogus. Past performance!!??? Yes we are rating your totally new,totally redesigned, new engine new exterior and interior Colorado but looking at a 2021 Colorado!! Whose pulling the wool over your eye's? Even my dog is laughing
@@gordmonteath6090 what “data” do you use to buy any product? What if your girlfriend cheated on you 5 times, but you married her anyway based on your predicted reliability?
@@ScoobyFermentation 😂😂😂😂😂
What is the GM 8 speed trans brand? ZF 8hp trans is great
GM makes their own transmission.
We are not buying nothing this year. The recession in banks is real
Lol he said the maverick is cheap. When it 5k to 10k over msrp.
It is cheap if you order from a dealer that charges msrp they are out there. You will have to wait for the build but it's worth it. I own 2 Mavericks. Ask any questions on my channel.
@Ford Maverick Maniac it's not worth it. I have a maverick xl ecoboost awd. Rust bottom. Cheap plastic. When u accelerate it sounds like a drill. The cab is so noisy. The materials they used to build it so cheap. If u get the lariat trim it's almost 40k. At that price a tacoma and ridgeline is a better buy.
I have a Maverick. Some of the parts are cheap but they work well and look good, simple. I got it at MSRP and very happy with it. No rust. I have the hybrid- drives quiet and acceleration is good. I have a loaded Lariat. With everything I wanted it was under $34k and getting 46 mpg in mixed driving. Very worth it and I could sell it for more than I paid for it.
@@timjohnson1199 what is the msrp? I am looking to get a smaller truck.
@@pecanstamped4522 Hi Amy, I bought my Maverick Lariat for about $32 loaded with everything I wanted. I traded in a XLT Maverick that I bought for about $28 (also with the luxury package and a few other nice options. I'm very, very happy with my Maverick. The downside was I had to wait a long time after I ordered it. I think they've raised prices a little bit but they are still a better value than most other vehicles. I'm also getting in the mid 40s mpg in mixed driving.
Never trust consumer reports they are one sided
CR hates American products. I bought a GMC Sierra Elevation , brand new in 2019 and have had zero problems with it but CR says its a piece of crap.
They're still using the eight speed even though they say it's a second gin that has been too indifferently. From what I understand the transmission has to be totally redesigned to fix the issues
Have a friend with the 8 speed at 107K miles. The tranny just gave up the ghost. Ridiculous.
They are all pretty much reliable.
The last Chevi I owned was pure junk.
@@ramiroescamilla7263It was Chevy that finally pushed me towards the Japanese brands.
@@ramiroescamilla7263 I have been lucky with all brands except for an AMC. It sucks when you get a lemon.
Toyota, Honda, Nissan are reliable. Ford is ok, but feel cheap. With Ram & GM you’re just rolling the dice if it’ll have problems.
I've filled out those CR surveys. The questions are pretty much worthless. Not sure how they get quality data from those owner surveys.
Consumer Reports ratings are based on subjective surveys and are worth much.
There is also the psychology that is not accounted for in CRs surveys and rankings. It’s about the type of people that purchase various brands and models, and that they are willing to fill out a survey, etc. In addition to that the age of those that rely on CR and complete these surveys trend to the older demographic.
Nothing Personal my friend, But when you Google what you're talking about There Are So Many reports saying something different, they All have their own opinions who's the best ,worst and who last the longest 🤔
I'm guessing the compacts score high based on how fuel economy is weighted.
You would only be guessing and likely wrong.
Consumer Reports…😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tim hates the fact that foreign automakers are always on top of reliability lists. Lol it’s so easy to see he’s partial to domestic, especially Ford products. Which is fine. But we just want facts. Not him trying to sprinkle his biases to try to change views 🤷🏻♂️
I don't see that. He reports it as he see"s it, unbiased. What i disagree with, is him using CR as his "data base". CR is not on the up and up like they used to be.
I completely disagree with this. Tim knows that the Tacoma, Tundra, Ridgeline, Frontier, and Titan are all made in the United States thus making them Domestics. He has videos defending the quirks of the latest Tundra. His viewpoints on the Frontier have been similar on reviews like Sarah-N-Tuned and others.
@@Gene1969 I could have sworn tacoma was made in Mexico
@@Garlander so is the Maverick
@@Boobtube. Source?