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Thank you Chase for introducing denial and cognitive dissonance into this analysis. That has been my feeling about her reaction. I think SS hinted at/ implanted the idea of helping him out with a base so she would offer it. I also think he would made make her feel paranoid about getting enough sleep and not setting off a Bipolar episode both implicitly and explicitly. I think it’s very possible that SS turned her against her own intuition. It’s possible he was drugging Jenn as well as Maddie because he was googling if certain sedative medications would show up in a blood test (medications he had access to) I also think her mother is a “told you so” type of mum and she did NOT like Stephan so while the realisation of what Stephan had been doing to Maddie and the likelihood that he had killed her was dawning on Jenn- she was in a deep denial because as well as wanting to stave off the the absolute HORROR of this reality, she is simultaneously awakening to this revelation that she had no idea who Stephan was and that she had been in a relationship with a facade rather than a person- essentially she is hiding from her own feelings of guilt and stupidity for having brought this man into their lives and trusting him. I think all the above is compounded by the fact that she anticipates and fears her mother’s reaction which will be blame. As well as from the police and the rest of the world. I don’t think her reaction is as much to do with involvement as most of the witchunters want it to be. I think she’s preserving her psychological safety on many different levels as the layers of cognitive dissonance are slowly unfolding, yielding to reality.
Also- PLEASE analyse Stephans Sterns parents interview. That skata show is RICH with -pathological- sign posts mapping out the psychological dynamic within and between each person and as a family unit that contributed to the making of this child raping murderer. Please forgive my 😡.
Please give thanks to grizzly true crime,it costs a lot of money to get access to the content you and many other channels use to get views, Would be a kind gesture to her for all the hard work she does.thankyou☺️
@@skeleton_wa_migraine1736 I'm suprized sending your daughter into bed with your boyfriend isn't enough. It's not like Maddie didn't have her own bedroom. They weren't living in a 1 bedroom apartment. Who does that? Sick people
Mom of three girls here. No mother innocently sends her daughter to bed with a grown man. No grown man innocently wants to share a bed with a young unrelated girl.
This. I raised two boys alone, the whole time I worried about them, was very careful about dating. Few years ago, my youngest married a young lady who had three children from her previous marriage, the youngest a girl of five. He's a good step-dad, very protective of all the children--and there's no way in h*ll either he, his wife or the kids' biological father would allow that little girl to "slumber party" with an adult male. I can't even....
Exactly. I would be expecting a slap into reality from my bf if I suggested he get out of my king sized bed and go sleep in a twin bed with my daughter.
What struck me is when she quotes herself, "I said "I asked her 'please, no I need a good night's sleep'". This indicates that she is pleading with Maddie to sleep upstairs with SS, which also means that Maddie did not want to, which is why JS had to beg her to. That breaks my heart, Maddie wanted her mom there to protect her.
I believe in her mind it was consensual, based on her responses. To her it was ‘sex stuff’. Now that the spot light is on her she is forced to disclaim her rationale, due to consequences.
The officer was not ok after she said “what if he did this stuff fine”. He almost cracks his neck to the left and both feet are releasing his tension and keeping his cool tapping as he can’t believe what he’s hearing This mother is not needed as a witness for a conviction. She should be charged with aggravated child endangerment for the abuse she allowed. And some culpability for her murder.
Oh, and yes, I'm super impressed with this interviewer....the restraint he is showing while being very sharp and clear in his thought processes with her...just wow.
It was a boarding house owned by Maddies grandad, he collected rent on each room. It looks as though the upstairs rooms were rented out to others while the downstairs big bedroom was theirs, she rarely slept in her wee sitting room space according to her mum they tended to share the big room.
There is no way JS ever forgot her meds. Her entire life revolved around meds. If her meds were missing, she would have been searching 24/7 in every forest, lake, and ditch to find them.
First thing JS did after she was shown the pic of SS's genitals in her daughte's mouth, confirming abuse, was to say "we need to get him a lawyer". That was her reaction. Says so much.
I agree. Jenn Soto’s reaction to that horrifying photo depicting the SA of Maddie (by Stephan) is somehow even MORE disturbing than the act itself, given that it goes against all societal and cultural norms for a mother of a young, vulnerable child to NOT have the maternal instincts to want to do everything in her power to try to protect their child and keep them safe from would-be predators. Any reaction other than, “I want that MF’er un-alived now!” In that situation, is tremendously disturbing, IMO.
@@YouSh0uldCryAboutIt some dogs are "excitable pee-ers" from puppyhood. Lack of bonding, boundries, routine (lots of potential reasons for this one), and plenty of stress. BAD "parenting" often (but look at of whom we speak) and typically neglectful; but "happy" dogs can be excitacible pee-ers also, once the stress-release behavior becomes learned.
@@SydMountaineer 😣 I hate animal abuse so much. Obviously what happened to the little girl is horrendous but these monsters have pets they treat terribly! 😥
I noticed the way the detective turned his head when Jennifer said, "He did all this stuff, fine." It was as if he was totally stunned and disturbed by that statement.
@@chrisliv8973 yep! I imagine it took a lot of strength to keep his composure from flying across that coffee table. Everyone can see her ability to immediately accept the SA without question or any negative emotion strongly suggest Ms Negligent knew. Even if she intended to refocus the police investigation to finding Maddie bc she may have been abducted, it was a strange way to phrase it. The word fine should never been used to address SA to anyone much less your daughter.
@sheilal5852 That was poignant, js saying that. Maybe it was easier in her own mind, to tell herself it was a "sleep over" as opposed to full blown SA. Whatever is wrong with js, she still knew this wad wrong and illegal. It beggers belief.
@@sheilal5852 In her interviews she admits it on national tv. She acts like it is excepted behavior for mothers to let their little girl sleep with a boyfriend. He is a piece of low life,
Her daughter was suffering for years. A bit confused as to how a parent who is neglectful gets charged with a school shooting, but this woman let her bf abuse her daughter and... No consequences?
Jen’s concern has always been for Stefan. When she saw those terrible pictures, all she could think of was not how her daughter had been abused, but that they needed to get Stefan a good lawyer good
@sandygrogg1203 one of the pics they showed to Jenn was of Stefans member in her daughters mouth. That lives rent free in my head... her non-reaction to it; her 'Stefan needs a lawyer' that came after. Stefan would need a mortician, not a lawyer!
As a survivor of CSA, I couldn't _EVER_ understand how a parent, especially a mother would allow a boyfriend to sleep with your child or even in a bed NEXT to them. That is freaking weird!
Maybe they trust the men they choose in their lives and they are trustworthy individuals.. not everyone is out to harm the sensibilities and trust of a child and if you live your life thinking every male thinks that way that just shows your paranoia
@@MattHelmSA Yeah, better to let a man literally sleep in the same bedroom as your small child because you want "a good night of sleep". Wtf are you on about.
@@iulia.bianca.b not every male is a pedophile and has unnatural or nasty thoughts about children.. if you are so scared that every male has a bullseye in the middle of their forehead and you are hyper protecting your children then that says something about you
This is such a disturbing case on so many levels. I appreciate you guys discussing this and I hope you’ll analyze the entire interview. Where is this woman’s maternal instinct?? I’m so confused that anyone could be so completely checked out when it comes to their daughter! I think this is even darker than anything I could even imagine. 😑
Panel brings up a great point. She wasn't checked-out about her daughter. A rule about 'no sleepovers,' was established. When the interrogator asks her why it was established, she says 'because of previous sleepovers.' MEANING: she knew about him previously assaulting Maddie, which is why that rule was created. As if that would stop the SA from happening. She knew about it. She chose a man over her child. We've seen MANY, many women do this, to one degree or another. Male-centered women are a Danger; to themselves, to others, and to their children. Do not let these type of women into your life. And watch out for the children in theirs. She is such a prime example of this. And this is beyond upsetting.
2 or more 8-12yo kids staying overnight at a friend's house is a "slumber party" or "sleepover." Letting your adult bf sleep in the same bed alone with your small child is INEXCUSABLE EVIL.
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What I can't make sense of is how JS was so fond of getting a good night's sleep, yet she makes it sound like Maddie was constantly thrashing around. So it just became a problem that Sunday night? She could have told Maddie, "You're thirteen now, so why don't you give your own bed a try tonight. If you're that bothered, come in here, but try not to wake me up." I understand it's important to sleep well when a person has mental health issues, but she had the next TWO days off! Wth!
Wait…she was willing tio “believe the sexual stuff” but “didn’t want to believe he’d done anything evil to her”. So this mom thinks anything done to her child short of murder doesn’t count as evil? Yikes.
She's entirely full of it. When she first got together with Stephan, she found an "inappropriate" picture of Maddie on Stephan's phone and Stephan said she was told not to do it again, as if a little girl took an inappropriate picture of herself. Later, it turns out she did get in trouble for it. One lunatic thing after another with this woman. She knew, she was alright with it because it tied him to her and she needs to be behind bars.
She offered her daughter as part of the package to keep the boyfriend interested. She almost certainly didn't think she would be killed, but she knew that "other stuff" would happen IMO.
Jenn “He’s a slob, very messy, lots of his toys around.” Jenn “Go to bed, my precious daughter with this slob that has no job” 😤I need to go to sleep even though I’m off the next two days!!!!
My dad abused me when I was a kid and my mum went out of her way to avoid what was happening because it made her life easier. She could never be charged with anything because she didn’t actually know. I believe Jennifer Soto did the same thing she didn’t want to lose that vile boyfriend so she never checked on them and never asked questions so she could just carry on with her life. Madeline deserved so much better
Fun fact! Hey Chase, Jenn was pulling and playing with her *drawstring aglets.* An aglet is the hard sheath-like thing usually made of metal or plastic at the end of drawstrings on sweatshirts and/or shoelaces. Aglets are usually placed there for one or both of the following reasons: 1. To prevent cord unraveling 2. To make it easier to thread the string through eyelet holes. Aglet comes from the French word aguillette, meaning "needle/pin."
Also, she never allowed Maddie to have actual slumber parties with friends her age, not at her house or her friends houses. She talked about that in another interview. I wonder if she was worried that Maddie would see what a normal family looks like, or confide with someone at a slumber party? That poor child had her entire life ruined, and it was her mother's fault.
I am starting to think that mom and ss were selling the photos. I hope they force mom to give up every single name of every single man they sold them to if they give her any deal at all. Sick sick sick
As a mom myself, all my internal alarms are just exploding. My heart aches for poor Maddie Soto. May she rest in peace that she never had here on Earth. 💔
Exactly. I get so worked up, screaming through these interviews. Jenn is not a mom. I literally get a visceral reaction from her…absolute disgust! I wish I had known Maddie. Maybe I could have helped her.
She lost me at sending her daughter to sleep in a bed with her bf. Absolutely insane. The more I listen the more frustrated I get. She's a piece of work.
@Stylishwarlock JS later said she found the money, but never said where. What really struck me is that there were three other people living with them and Maddie and JS immediately wondered if it was SS and not the others. If he was so trustworthy, why suspect him? 🚩
I've never heard her say one kind word about Maddie. It's always griping about how she sleeps, that she is not "normal", that she's difficult, etc. She speaks more positively about SS and she knows what he did!
@@sarahkelson8386 she never let her daughter have slumber parties or sleep overs. She never held a single slumber party of sleep over. She claimed she never did that because she was always afraid of her daughter getting molested. Yet here we are and thousands of photos and videos on his phone show that Maddie was a victim for many years in her own home
Who on earth calls it a "slumber party" when sending your middle school aged (or younger) child to sleep in a bedroom alone with a man?!?!? Any man?!?!? Just no!
Kids who are being sexually abused and the parent is aware, you'll often hear them making excuses for the abuser and blaming the child. It's sad and disgusting, but sadly, it isn't unusual.
She actually implies that Madaline was the one who instigated a sleepover/slumber party with a grown man. This woman is sick and depraved. You should continue with the rest of the interrogation and listen to how she coldly talks about where the body could be stashed - her words.
When she called her tween daughter sleeping with a 40+ year old man a slumber party, I had to stop the video and do some breathing exercises due to the knot in my stomach and the sheer rage that entered my soul. 😢
It looks like the panel is over Jen’s crap. We feel your frustration guys. Jen Soto is complicit. I appreciate Detective Kevin putting her feet to the fire. Jen makes me laugh when she blames Stephan for her house looking like a mess. Gurl, please. She goes to sleep in her regular clothes, she ain’t a clean person. Her room was a mess because she’s a mess. Liar liar, Jen. She should be charged with neglect.
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@Mark Bowden. You got it right brother. No competent mother would put her teenage daughter to bed with an adult male! Family or non family. This sounds absolutely senseless, illogical!
There are other roommates??? The roommates don't want to share a bathroom with a Male but send your Daughter to BED with him?!?! Wtf?!?!? Even her dog acts nervous. Dogs react from their environment and their humans. I think that speaks volumes
Let me get this straight… she wouldn’t let her daughter sleep in the bed with her, but she let the DOG sleep in the bed with her…. I can’t stand this woman
I was just thinking about that, too. It’s so annoying. Their excuse for everything in life. I’d love to know when Jenn first started taking meds & what prompted her bipolar diagnosis/treatment, etc. She just doesn’t seem like the bipolar type. From the background we’ve heard of her, she just seemed like a failure to launch/lazy selfish person. I can see the depressive side, but I don’t see Jenn having a manic side.
@@brandybiscoff9685 💥absolutely. Lack of motivation does not make you bipolar. They hand diagnoses out like candy. This woman was jealous of her baby girl. She won’t be charged. That’s the crime. The roommates are me, myself and I. Boggles the mind. Poor child was never heard or seen.
She had a child in the hope it would ensnare Tyler, her childhood sweetheart but nope, it didn’t work. Maddie is the one who suffered. Despicable creature is Jenn
@@MizzTH-G I was wondering who the dad was because I saw that it was a marine. So her daughter was conceived as a tool and used as a tool her entire life 😞
What mother lets their daughter have "sleepovers" with their boyfriend? ... It's so weird and dysfunctional. Imo, I think she knew and she's just playing dumb. She said SHE had a rule for "no sleepovers" because SHE didn't trust men, but in the next sentence she says she can count on one hand how many times it happened. She didn't care to expose Maddie to him. She saw him as a babysitter and someone to keep Maddie occupied while she took care of herself. Imo, she didn't care if Maddie got hurt by a "man", Jen just didn't want to get hurt by a man. EVERYTHING IS ALL ABOUT JEN! She didn't even go to her own daughter's 13th birthday party. IMO, Jen has a huge disconnect when it comes her relationship with Maddie...I have a feeling, I can only describe, as Jen having resentment toward Maddie. Was she jealous? If so, Jen would, probably, fight to be the center of attention, and she would see Maddie as a rival and competitor. This also means that Jen would want to please SS and give him what he wants. I think Jen knew, but didn't care as long as SS was happy, IMO. It was all about Jen's happiness, first, then Stephan's, and Maddie was always last... This makes me sick, and I want to projectile vomit now!
No mother would send their daughter to sleep with a grown man just so she could sleep. She knew everything and didn’t care. Uses her medications as an excuse. I wouldn’t be able to talk without constantly crying if it was my daughter and she never mentions Maddie’s name!!!!! If she doesn’t get charged our justice system is beyond broken!!!!
Who has to make a rule that their boyfriend can't sleep with their daughter!? It should be just KNOWN by all that daughters don't sleep with their mother's boyfriends! She is very odd at the very least.
@justrelaxing1550 Tragically, no one was protecting Maddie. I'm glad she has peace BUT it should not take what happened to her, for a child to find peace when they are being wronged. I absolutely believe JS will be arrested at some stage. The police/forensics and D.A are very apt at what they do. I think they're just getting thier ducks in a row.
And SS should have known the dog's habits. I never heard of any plan that he would walk the dog in the morning. He was in there for a reason; maybe he was looking for the missing crock. Or maybe he wanted to put the dog up so it didn't bark. JS got out of bed to help and didn't ask the time???
Poor Madeline ended up on her mom’s side of the bed because the weirdo bf of moms was all over her. Poor little girl was never a priority in her lazy, loser mom’s life. RIP Madeline.
Also a nurse and I agree. Especially if she’s stable on the medication. Missing medication once and taking it the very next time one is supposed to take it is not going to render her unstable.
She’s not only bipolar, but also PTSD, ADHD, and anxiety, and past SA, loneliness, emotional detachment from her mother. Mental illness is individualistic. Experiences and symptoms are very different for each person, even though the diagnoses are the same. That’s is a very isolating experience. Feel intense loneliness, can be traumatic, painful and crippling. What they fear the most is being left alone. Sexual predators sense that in weak women, use it to work on to fully control them, gain access to their children, hampering self defense mechanisms to save themselves and children. How they groom the single moms into their control, in order to get full access to the children. Often they are masters of psychological manipulation and control, hide their predators side so well, can fool many people. Behavioral Panel left out the key factor of GROOMING. Sterns groomed her and Maddie. Explain odd behavior, strange choices…she was born with a weak psychology….SS was not like normal adult man - he had TBI arrested his development - he was a man-child, liked toys, games, immature child like, non threatening. He groomed Maddie to like him, and be quiet. He got Maddie to ask Jen she wanted to be with him. After once, twice - nothing bad,…then maybe just this one night when I really needed to recuperate my mind, it would be ok. Unfortunately it was not. It’s all because of one monster - he is responsible, and now he’s in jail. Justice is served. Let Maddie rest in peace. Jen to grieve alone in peace. Everyone be at peace.
@@nicolina4050 Thank for your reply as well. May I ask if you have dealt with or treated victims of groomers, in particular single mothers whose child was SA by the groomer? Also I wanted to paste information about grooming here to give you some basic knowledge. The classic stages of grooming can roughly be summarised as: Groomers target/profile the victim(s) Groomers deliberately use words, promises and actions to gain the victim’s trust They identify a need in their victims and fill it - or pretend/seem to do so They desensitise the victim, often slowly, so that their normal guards/filters fail Groomers often then isolate victims (if they're not already isolated) and/or make them complicit in wrongdoing or in their own demise. They then often, but not always, sexualise the relationship. This is sometimes the end game for adult sexual groomers, who later disappear/'ghost' their targets Groomers establish/maintain control over the situation and/or the victim's behaviours, often using 'gaslighting' techniques to make them doubt their own instincts
@@patchlindy Jenn is a victim, too. I feel for her and believe her emotions are most likely subdued due to routine, helpful medications. However, some boundaries should exist. It was not OK for her to send Madeline to sleep with a grown man alone (and in her interview, she seemed to know this). Grooming is real and terrible. However, someone that is groomed should still possess some limits; maybe not "enough" limits, but some, yes. Is it Jenn's fault Stephan and Madeline spent time together outside of the bedroom? No- not if she did not know about the abuse. However, diagnoses (even many) do not make it "OK" or even understandable to send one's daughter to sleep alone with a man. If Jenn were my friend, what would I do? I would hug her and support her, of course; however, if I knew she sent her daughter to sleep with Stephan, I would immediately intervene and speak with her. Grooming can cause one to be less vigilant and too trusting- but to the point of sending your child to sleep with a grown adult?
@@patchlindy I am very aware that mental illness is individualistic - due to personal and professional experience. I need not expound. Notably, using the word "illness" is not helpful or positive. Having various mental disorders does not make sending your child to sleep with an adult understandable. Madeline and Jenn are both victims. However, at a minimum, Jenn should have refrained from sending her daughter to sleep with an adult man.
My thoughts exactly! I have never in my life ever heard anyone ever say something so absolutely ridiculous as to a grown man having a “sleepover” with a young minor female child or with any child. I have no words!
She’s says she’s paranoid , doesn’t trust anyone yet , yet lets her young daughter sleep in the same bed as her boyfriend. That’s not paranoia that’s pimping her daughter out. Poor little Maddie. She had an awful young life then was murdered just when her life as a teenager was beginning. He didn’t like that Maddie had a crush. Maybe she was going to tell what was going on. This is a tragic story. Jenn Soto is in no way a protective mother. Jenn Soto knew exactly what what was happening. Geez this is so sad.
Non-paternal adult in bed with unrelated female child is the furthest thing from a "slumber party". Agreed, she's using softening and justifying language. She knows it is wrong, trying to convince the detective and all of us it is just an innocent slumber party.
Maddi Soto was unalived and reported missing on a Monday. This interview with her mother, Jennifer, took place on Friday that week. I don’t see how her voice is not incoherent, how she doesn’t break down and lose it. She is not the absolute mess that an innocent, unsuspecting mother would be.
E eryone always says, She's medicated. OK and?? I'm medicated but if my teenage daughter was missing I would need SO much medication to make me as calm as she is. I would be out in the streets screaming for my child. But here she is, all calm and relaxed like nothing happened to HER child.
Yes when the kids are babies and toddlers. There should be no reason to get your sleep interrupted when the kid is 13 (obviously different sicknesses and emergencies excluded). It's such a bad excuse for her (them) to call it sleepovers etc 🤢🤬. Jenn's mental health had affected Maddie long before SS came into the picture.
She allowed her boyfriend to sleep with her daughter. I can't imagine being the kind of parent who would do that and then defend the boyfriend's behavior. She IS guilty of offering her daughter up to this despicable man.
"i believed the sexual stuff, but i didnt want to believe that he had done anything evil to her"...im pretty sure assaulting a child for years is pretty evil but ok jen, continue.
I believe in her mind it was consensual, based on her responses. To her it was ‘sex stuff’. Now that the spot light is on her she is forced to disclaim her rationale, due to consequences.
Maybe she's kicking because shes trying to wake you up because your bf won't stop touching her. Maybe you wake up with her on the other side because she's trying to get away from your bf. Maybe she suggested for all 3 of you to sleep in the same bed because she's not safe otherwise! But you sent her off to sleep upstairs with the monster!
As a mother she knew what going on but didn’t want to lose her lover and was willing to sacrifice her child. I hope the law will investigate and put both in jail. And the people in jail punish both.
I don’t care what her diagnosis is or what her mental state was, she absolutely knew the dangers of sending a female child to sleep in the same bed as a man! I have nothing but disgust and anger for this woman. I hope she goes to prison for the rest of her miserable life. RIP Maddie ❤️ you deserved so much better.
Period. She CLEARLY prioritized SS and clearly was trying to protect him over her own daughter. After being shown the photos of him SA'ing Maddie she called his Dad to get him a lawyer NOW. Then when meeting in person (as he picked her up from the police station), she not only acted totally normal but she went on to explain that SS was sexually frustrated and they hadn't slept together in a long time! As if she was defending his behavior. There is NO excuse. Everything points to her knowing more was going on between them or that she was highly suspicious, but she didn't care because she was selfish and liked SS more than she did Maddie.
A SINGLE bed at that, while she got her "needed" sleep in a king by herself, with the dog. Maddie actually needed sleep to get up the next morning for school; Jenn didn't work for the next 2-3 days. She had an entire day of naps ahead of her-- how exhausting! 🙄 She didn't care. She said she didn't trust men at all. Ever. Not even her dad. She was taught to never trust men. But what does she do? She sends her CHILD to sleep in a SINGLE bed with her bf in a room with a door that locks x3. She said she was "being selfish". Understatement of the century. She was being selfish & disgusting bc she knew exactly what was going on. Why else would a "Woody Allen situation" be her "biggest fear"? Anyone who buys this woman's BS anymore is a walking 🚩🚩🚩 to me. And I hope to God they don't have kids!
@@LilyPedals 1:19:37 and Jen says she wanted SS to have a lawyer because Maddie could have been abducted and still missing, how disgusting for her to act worried about Maddie being missing and being mistreated when it had been going on in her house for years! She said in one interview that she had only been working for about a week, before that she lived on disability. So she was home ALL the time. How would it be possible for SS to abuse Maddie and have all the pictures from a span of at least 5 years, yet Jen had no idea? This case is just so heartbreaking. As much as I loathe SS, I hope he tells all and exposes Jen for her involvement so she can face life in prison.
@pinkgorilla99 according to Jenn, the reason she is so messed up and needs meds in the first place is bi-polar, yes, but also, PTSD because Jenn herself was R*PED! How you gonna let your daughter have a slumber party with your boyfriend and try to call yourself protecting her?! I can't believe how much I hate that woman.
The way she says "no no no, no no no" is a red flag for me. And immediately follows with, then they really wanted to watch a movie and i was really tired "or something" so she said okay go ahead but "this can't happen often". I don't know why, but that whole diatribe strikes me as odd.
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Please do a video on Jay Slaters' mom and dad! (The teenager who went missing in Tenerife) It would be so interesting to know your opinions!
Thank you Chase for introducing denial and cognitive dissonance into this analysis. That has been my feeling about her reaction.
I think SS hinted at/ implanted the idea of helping him out with a base so she would offer it.
I also think he would made make her feel paranoid about getting enough sleep and not setting off a Bipolar episode both implicitly and explicitly.
I think it’s very possible that SS turned her against her own intuition.
It’s possible he was drugging Jenn as well as Maddie because he was googling if certain sedative medications would show up in a blood test (medications he had access to)
I also think her mother is a “told you so” type of mum and she did NOT like Stephan so while the realisation of what Stephan had been doing to Maddie and the likelihood that he had killed her was dawning on Jenn- she was in a deep denial because as well as wanting to stave off the the absolute HORROR of this reality,
she is simultaneously awakening to this revelation that she had no idea who Stephan was and that she had been in a relationship with a facade rather than a person- essentially she is hiding from her own feelings of guilt and stupidity for having brought this man into their lives and trusting him.
I think all the above is compounded by the fact that she anticipates and fears her mother’s reaction which will be blame. As well as from the police and the rest of the world.
I don’t think her reaction is as much to do with involvement as most of the witchunters want it to be. I think she’s preserving her psychological safety on many different levels as the layers of cognitive dissonance are slowly unfolding, yielding to reality.
Also- PLEASE analyse Stephans Sterns parents interview.
That skata show is RICH with -pathological- sign posts mapping out the psychological dynamic within and between each person and as a family unit that contributed to the making of this child raping murderer.
Please forgive my 😡.
Please give thanks to grizzly true crime,it costs a lot of money to get access to the content you and many other channels use to get views,
Would be a kind gesture to her for all the hard work she does.thankyou☺️
Is there any chance you could do a video on Michael Barrymore.
If Jenn isn’t arrested for AT LEAST child neglect, this will be the biggest travesty of justice next to Casey Anthony.
🙏🏼 I'm not following the case it's too dark but I hope she is punished. This was disturbing
We have to pray that enough evidence surfaces for her to be charged
@@skeleton_wa_migraine1736 I'm suprized sending your daughter into bed with your boyfriend isn't enough. It's not like Maddie didn't have her own bedroom. They weren't living in a 1 bedroom apartment. Who does that? Sick people
Jennifer has not once shown any emotion over Maddie’s disappearance in these interviews. No freak out crying over her daughter, not one tear shed.
The first video TBP did on her was interesting
Mom of three girls here. No mother innocently sends her daughter to bed with a grown man. No grown man innocently wants to share a bed with a young unrelated girl.
This. I raised two boys alone, the whole time I worried about them, was very careful about dating. Few years ago, my youngest married a young lady who had three children from her previous marriage, the youngest a girl of five. He's a good step-dad, very protective of all the children--and there's no way in h*ll either he, his wife or the kids' biological father would allow that little girl to "slumber party" with an adult male. I can't even....
@@Doxymeister Sounds like you raised your boys well. ❤❤
Exactly. I would be expecting a slap into reality from my bf if I suggested he get out of my king sized bed and go sleep in a twin bed with my daughter.
What struck me is when she quotes herself, "I said "I asked her 'please, no I need a good night's sleep'". This indicates that she is pleading with Maddie to sleep upstairs with SS, which also means that Maddie did not want to, which is why JS had to beg her to. That breaks my heart, Maddie wanted her mom there to protect her.
Oh my meds, my meds, my meds… she says that more than her daughter’s name!!!
If there was a drinking game and had to take a shot each time she says meds, we'd all be on the floor.
Maybe that's her middle name.
Drug addict
Chase - thank you for stressing the inappropriate closeness in relationships as a red flag!! You’re 100% correct! There is NEVER any exception.
"What if he did 'these things'? Fine. I understand he did the 'sex stuff', but not anything evil." Most disgusting thing I have heard in a long time.
@@SaffronHammer my actual face when I heard that 😮
Exactly! Disgusting! I noticed the main interviewer had a reaction to that. He kind of had to re-adjust himself and you see both his feet tap.
I believe in her mind it was consensual, based on her responses. To her it was ‘sex stuff’. Now that the spot light is on her she is forced to disclaim her rationale, due to consequences.
@SaffronHammer
I was also stunned when she first said she didn't recognise SS "appendage" in the photo they showed her.
It made me feel nauseous.
It is beyond disturbing to hear Jen refer to her daughter sharing a bed and sleeping with a grown man as “a sleepover”. OMG
The officer was not ok after she said “what if he did this stuff fine”. He almost cracks his neck to the left and both feet are releasing his tension and keeping his cool tapping as he can’t believe what he’s hearing
This mother is not needed as a witness for a conviction. She should be charged with aggravated child endangerment for the abuse she allowed. And some culpability for her murder.
For sure!!
When she says the sec stuff was fine the detective twists his neck to release the rage he felt when she said that.
I noticed that too. He did so well to keep relatively cool during this interview
@@momlife1024 yes he did!
Oh, and yes, I'm super impressed with this interviewer....the restraint he is showing while being very sharp and clear in his thought processes with her...just wow.
The way this woman refers to her daughter sleeping with a grown man as a slumber party or sleep over is disturbing in itself 🥴
@@KeepSmyelin321 Right?! That man would be out on his behind for even thinking it was ok
True❤
The first red flag was they had a guest room but Maddie only had a corner of living room - WHICH she could have slept in.
It was a boarding house owned by Maddies grandad, he collected rent on each room. It looks as though the upstairs rooms were rented out to others while the downstairs big bedroom was theirs, she rarely slept in her wee sitting room space according to her mum they tended to share the big room.
@@kayemm1973 that doesn’t excuse sending her daughter to sleep with the man instead of to her own bed. Not even close.
@SandyKnauerMorgan it's not about excuses, it's an explanation of why she didn't have one of the upstairs rooms for herself.
There is no way JS ever forgot her meds. Her entire life revolved around meds. If her meds were missing, she would have been searching 24/7 in every forest, lake, and ditch to find them.
😂 So true lol
When she cried and said “this is my worst birthday ever “ repeatedly!!! She never shows any care for Maddie.
It’s ALWAYS all about Jenn. She and that monster are both disgusting narcissists.
First thing JS did after she was shown the pic of SS's genitals in her daughte's mouth, confirming abuse, was to say "we need to get him a lawyer". That was her reaction. Says so much.
I agree. Jenn Soto’s reaction to that horrifying photo depicting the SA of Maddie (by Stephan) is somehow even MORE disturbing than the act itself, given that it goes against all societal and cultural norms for a mother of a young, vulnerable child to NOT have the maternal instincts to want to do everything in her power to try to protect their child and keep them safe from would-be predators. Any reaction other than, “I want that MF’er un-alived now!” In that situation, is tremendously disturbing, IMO.
@@RickyBrenner Your opinion is 100% facts!👏👏 Perfectly expressed👌
....I wanted to vomit when I heard what she said. 🤮🤢
Dude if your dog pisses itself when someone comes near it, that person is probably hurting your dog.
Facts!!!!
@@YouSh0uldCryAboutIt some dogs are "excitable pee-ers" from puppyhood. Lack of bonding, boundries, routine (lots of potential reasons for this one), and plenty of stress. BAD "parenting" often (but look at of whom we speak) and typically neglectful; but "happy" dogs can be excitacible pee-ers also, once the stress-release behavior becomes learned.
😮 Good point.
@@YouSh0uldCryAboutIt wonder if he was into that too? Wasn’t JS into Furries or whatever? Alternate lifestyle communities???
@@SydMountaineer 😣 I hate animal abuse so much. Obviously what happened to the little girl is horrendous but these monsters have pets they treat terribly! 😥
I noticed the way the detective turned his head when Jennifer said, "He did all this stuff, fine."
It was as if he was totally stunned and disturbed by that statement.
@@chrisliv8973 yep! I imagine it took a lot of strength to keep his composure from flying across that coffee table. Everyone can see her ability to immediately accept the SA without question or any negative emotion strongly suggest Ms Negligent knew. Even if she intended to refocus the police investigation to finding Maddie bc she may have been abducted, it was a strange way to phrase it. The word fine should never been used to address SA to anyone much less your daughter.
As if “slumber parties” sounds better than “I handed my child over to the devil on a silver platter.” 😡
@@sheilal5852 or cuddling
@sheilal5852
That was poignant, js saying that. Maybe it was easier in her own mind, to tell herself it was a "sleep over" as opposed to full blown SA.
Whatever is wrong with js, she still knew this wad wrong and illegal. It beggers belief.
Yes!! Softening/distancing language from what this really was - - allowing this man to SA her child!!
Exactly! Wth 🤢🤮
@@sheilal5852 In her interviews she admits it on national tv. She acts like it is excepted behavior for mothers to let their little girl sleep with a boyfriend. He is a piece of low life,
Her daughter was suffering for years. A bit confused as to how a parent who is neglectful gets charged with a school shooting, but this woman let her bf abuse her daughter and... No consequences?
Jen’s concern has always been for Stefan. When she saw those terrible pictures, all she could think of was not how her daughter had been abused, but that they needed to get Stefan a good lawyer good
@sandygrogg1203 one of the pics they showed to Jenn was of Stefans member in her daughters mouth. That lives rent free in my head... her non-reaction to it; her 'Stefan needs a lawyer' that came after. Stefan would need a mortician, not a lawyer!
As a survivor of CSA, I couldn't _EVER_ understand how a parent, especially a mother would allow a boyfriend to sleep with your child or even in a bed NEXT to them. That is freaking weird!
@@goose7574 YESSS!!!
Maybe they trust the men they choose in their lives and they are trustworthy individuals.. not everyone is out to harm the sensibilities and trust of a child and if you live your life thinking every male thinks that way that just shows your paranoia
@@MattHelmSA Yeah, better to let a man literally sleep in the same bedroom as your small child because you want "a good night of sleep". Wtf are you on about.
@@iulia.bianca.b not every male is a pedophile and has unnatural or nasty thoughts about children.. if you are so scared that every male has a bullseye in the middle of their forehead and you are hyper protecting your children then that says something about you
This is such a disturbing case on so many levels. I appreciate you guys discussing this and I hope you’ll analyze the entire interview. Where is this woman’s maternal instinct??
I’m so confused that anyone could be so completely checked out when it comes to their daughter! I think this is even darker than anything I could even imagine. 😑
Panel brings up a great point. She wasn't checked-out about her daughter. A rule about 'no sleepovers,' was established. When the interrogator asks her why it was established, she says 'because of previous sleepovers.'
MEANING: she knew about him previously assaulting Maddie, which is why that rule was created. As if that would stop the SA from happening. She knew about it. She chose a man over her child. We've seen MANY, many women do this, to one degree or another. Male-centered women are a Danger; to themselves, to others, and to their children. Do not let these type of women into your life. And watch out for the children in theirs. She is such a prime example of this. And this is beyond upsetting.
2 or more 8-12yo kids staying overnight at a friend's house is a "slumber party" or "sleepover." Letting your adult bf sleep in the same bed alone with your small child is INEXCUSABLE EVIL.
Scott- I'm saying prayers for Peter like you asked. My little boy had bone cancer in his limbs at 7. He had 1% chance survival. His school, our church, friends and coworkers all prayed for him and wouldn't ya know it.. a miracle happened and he survived with all his limbs and body parts. Cancer free 11 years now. So I'll say some prayers for your friend Peter because it works and i owe a debt of gratitude to those who prayed for us.❤
AMEN. Glory to God for he does answer prayer and loves us greatly and always leads us to all Truth.❤
If your teenage daughter is kicking you in her sleep then give her her own room and bed to sleep in like normal people do for their growing children.
What I can't make sense of is how JS was so fond of getting a good night's sleep, yet she makes it sound like Maddie was constantly thrashing around. So it just became a problem that Sunday night? She could have told Maddie, "You're thirteen now, so why don't you give your own bed a try tonight. If you're that bothered, come in here, but try not to wake me up." I understand it's important to sleep well when a person has mental health issues, but she had the next TWO days off! Wth!
Or get twin beds if there is not more space- people find a designated space for their pets, this is her daughter!
Wait…she was willing tio “believe the sexual stuff” but “didn’t want to believe he’d done anything evil to her”. So this mom thinks anything done to her child short of murder doesn’t count as evil? Yikes.
She's entirely full of it. When she first got together with Stephan, she found an "inappropriate" picture of Maddie on Stephan's phone and Stephan said she was told not to do it again, as if a little girl took an inappropriate picture of herself. Later, it turns out she did get in trouble for it.
One lunatic thing after another with this woman. She knew, she was alright with it because it tied him to her and she needs to be behind bars.
She offered her daughter as part of the package to keep the boyfriend interested. She almost certainly didn't think she would be killed, but she knew that "other stuff" would happen IMO.
Exactly!!!! She definitely knew and she didn’t think anything was wrong with it
I CANNOT believe she uses the word "sleepover" or "slumber party" in relation to a grown man sleeping with her young daughter! 🤮😡
Can it be tomorrow already 😭 I have been waiting for y'all to help us understand what the heck is happening in her brain!! So excited, love you guys❣️
Jenn “He’s a slob, very messy, lots of his toys around.” Jenn “Go to bed, my precious daughter with this slob that has no job” 😤I need to go to sleep even though I’m off the next two days!!!!
Nailed it!
My dad abused me when I was a kid and my mum went out of her way to avoid what was happening because it made her life easier. She could never be charged with anything because she didn’t actually know. I believe Jennifer Soto did the same thing she didn’t want to lose that vile boyfriend so she never checked on them and never asked questions so she could just carry on with her life. Madeline deserved so much better
I am sorry that happened to you. I hope you've learned to give yourself the love and protection you deserved as a child.❤
Fun fact! Hey Chase, Jenn was pulling and playing with her *drawstring aglets.* An aglet is the hard sheath-like thing usually made of metal or plastic at the end of drawstrings on sweatshirts and/or shoelaces.
Aglets are usually placed there for one or both of the following reasons:
1. To prevent cord unraveling
2. To make it easier to thread the string through eyelet holes.
Aglet comes from the French word aguillette, meaning "needle/pin."
Jenn talks about "sleepovers" and "slumber parties," with Maddie and Stephan, as if it was with Maddie and her school friends!
Also, she never allowed Maddie to have actual slumber parties with friends her age, not at her house or her friends houses. She talked about that in another interview. I wonder if she was worried that Maddie would see what a normal family looks like, or confide with someone at a slumber party? That poor child had her entire life ruined, and it was her mother's fault.
She would never allow Maddie to sleep at a friend’s house. “What if something bad happens”
I love what Chase said about inappropriate closeness with children being a red flag EVERY TIME! Love you Chase ❤👏👏👏
100%!!
No one seems to ask an important question from her: why was a camera set up in the upstairs room
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I am starting to think that mom and ss were selling the photos. I hope they force mom to give up every single name of every single man they sold them to if they give her any deal at all. Sick sick sick
Jenn describes her child sleeping with her boyfriend as a slumber party. Another way she plays down the inappropriateness of her own evil actions.
As a mom myself, all my internal alarms are just exploding. My heart aches for poor Maddie Soto. May she rest in peace that she never had here on Earth. 💔
Exactly. I get so worked up, screaming through these interviews. Jenn is not a mom. I literally get a visceral reaction from her…absolute disgust! I wish I had known Maddie. Maybe I could have helped her.
She lost me at sending her daughter to sleep in a bed with her bf. Absolutely insane. The more I listen the more frustrated I get. She's a piece of work.
Her ex boyfriend! Who she knew was a thief because he stole her daughter’s Christmas money. That poor kid
@Stylishwarlock JS later said she found the money, but never said where. What really struck me is that there were three other people living with them and Maddie and JS immediately wondered if it was SS and not the others. If he was so trustworthy, why suspect him? 🚩
I've never heard her say one kind word about Maddie. It's always griping about how she sleeps, that she is not "normal", that she's difficult, etc. She speaks more positively about SS and she knows what he did!
Yep, distracted, forgetful, spacey, messy, disorganized..
Yes so excited for this! Please do Stephan’s interrogation too!
No need, we KNOW he's lying already.
@@madisonmaya94 don't wanna hear that whiney sick voice; D P for him.
How can a grown man and an adolecent girl have a slumber party. Little girls have slumber parties--no males allowed.
@@sarahkelson8386
P R E C I S E L Y !!!!
@@sarahkelson8386 she never let her daughter have slumber parties or sleep overs. She never held a single slumber party of sleep over. She claimed she never did that because she was always afraid of her daughter getting molested. Yet here we are and thousands of photos and videos on his phone show that Maddie was a victim for many years in her own home
@@ThriveCollective1188 I know that, but she called sending M to sleep with S a "slumber party". That is not a slumber party by any definition.
@@sarahkelson8386 so cringe
@@sarahkelson8386 slober party
🎉 The Grizzlies are here!! Glad you are covering this
Grizzlies loud and proud,so glad G sent this to t.b.p can't wait to hear their analysis ☺️
I can’t believe she acts so normal about her teenage daughter sleeping alone with her boyfriend. It’s not ok anyway you look at it.
Who on earth calls it a "slumber party" when sending your middle school aged (or younger) child to sleep in a bedroom alone with a man?!?!? Any man?!?!? Just no!
She's way too "happy" for someone whose daughter is missing.
Kids who are being sexually abused and the parent is aware, you'll often hear them making excuses for the abuser and blaming the child. It's sad and disgusting, but sadly, it isn't unusual.
She actually implies that Madaline was the one who instigated a sleepover/slumber party with a grown man. This woman is sick and depraved. You should continue with the rest of the interrogation and listen to how she coldly talks about where the body could be stashed - her words.
When she called her tween daughter sleeping with a 40+ year old man a slumber party, I had to stop the video and do some breathing exercises due to the knot in my stomach and the sheer rage that entered my soul. 😢
SS is 37 but I get what you are saying
@@TR-ii3xu I hear you... 😡🤮
My son, my only child is 35 and I'd be hysterical if he was missing.
Same. End of.
Oh my God same!!!! I wouldn't even be able to have a conversation... I honestly don't think she cares that her child is gone!
@jenndob3865 I agree. I'd be a total mess. There is no indication that she has any feelings for her whatsoever.
What mother talks about their child having a sleepover with a grown man like it's normal
Did she just say,”I believed the sexual stuff but not that he did something evil” that’s bizarre!
Gross Negligence on her part. Child abuse and endangerment.
I follow Grizzly and she mentioned that she was hoping you guys would do a behavior video on JS. Thank you so much. Many agree with your analysis.
Just want to clarify an observation. Her female roommates didn’t want to share the restroom with a male.
The chemistry between you guys is once again a joy to watch.
It looks like the panel is over Jen’s crap. We feel your frustration guys. Jen Soto is complicit. I appreciate Detective Kevin putting her feet to the fire. Jen makes me laugh when she blames Stephan for her house looking like a mess. Gurl, please. She goes to sleep in her regular clothes, she ain’t a clean person. Her room was a mess because she’s a mess. Liar liar, Jen. She should be charged with neglect.
You know this man violated your daughter, and you have the nerve to still say WE missed him.
Weirdo Jenn
Scott's voice brings me comfort and makes me feel not alone. Weird, but I turn these on often just to feel some company.
I wracked my brains out for a long time trying to figure out why I watch these and other videos so much. And then it hit me one day. It's kinda like socialization for those of us who have nobody else (or very few others) to talk to. It's sort of like having a debate, conversation, bouncing ideas off someone else, etc. I like getting different perspectives on issues, as well as confirmation of what I think is going on. I've learned a lot via these videos, while getting confirmation on my opinions, as in "so I'm not the only one who thinks this." So you're not alone. I'm basically in the same boat.
Dr Phil, is that you?
@@BeRightBack131I talk to them, out loud, so I feel like I’m having a conversation with them, too. It’s oddly comforting.
Right?
You are not alone.
@Mark Bowden. You got it right brother. No competent mother would put her teenage daughter to bed with an adult male! Family or non family. This sounds absolutely senseless, illogical!
So sad to hear about Peter! All my prayers are going to him and his family. I know sadly too well about cancer
There are other roommates??? The roommates don't want to share a bathroom with a Male but send your Daughter to BED with him?!?! Wtf?!?!? Even her dog acts nervous. Dogs react from their environment and their humans. I think that speaks volumes
What kind of mother is able to speak this way when her child is gone. She is just worried about herself. Narcissist.
If she worried about her daughter as much as she does her meds/sleep she would be alive.
Let me get this straight… she wouldn’t let her daughter sleep in the bed with her, but she let the DOG sleep in the bed with her…. I can’t stand this woman
Me too. My dog is crazier than my baby ever was! Always getting up and circling and kicking me. Kid never did that 😅
Everyone surrounding this invisible child gets a rush every time they discuss their ‘meds’. It’s bizarre. What is going on? That poor child.
I was just thinking about that, too. It’s so annoying. Their excuse for everything in life.
I’d love to know when Jenn first started taking meds & what prompted her bipolar diagnosis/treatment, etc. She just doesn’t seem like the bipolar type. From the background we’ve heard of her, she just seemed like a failure to launch/lazy selfish person. I can see the depressive side, but I don’t see Jenn having a manic side.
@@brandybiscoff9685 💥absolutely. Lack of motivation does not make you bipolar. They hand diagnoses out like candy. This woman was jealous of her baby girl. She won’t be charged. That’s the crime. The roommates are me, myself and I. Boggles the mind. Poor child was never heard or seen.
She calls it a slumber party?!! My head is going to explode!!
ain’t no grown man sleeping “upstairs” with my daughter idc idc
Hell yeah 😮.
You've gotta be frigging kidding me with that shyt 😮
Her exaggerated sighs are ridiculous
She’s a terrible, selfish, lazy mother. She didn’t deserve to have a child.
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She had a child in the hope it would ensnare Tyler, her childhood sweetheart but nope, it didn’t work. Maddie is the one who suffered. Despicable creature is Jenn
Let’s all hope and pray she has no more children to NOT protect or even at the least keep alive.
@@MizzTH-G I was wondering who the dad was because I saw that it was a marine. So her daughter was conceived as a tool and used as a tool her entire life 😞
What mother lets their daughter have "sleepovers" with their boyfriend? ... It's so weird and dysfunctional. Imo, I think she knew and she's just playing dumb. She said SHE had a rule for "no sleepovers" because SHE didn't trust men, but in the next sentence she says she can count on one hand how many times it happened. She didn't care to expose Maddie to him. She saw him as a babysitter and someone to keep Maddie occupied while she took care of herself. Imo, she didn't care if Maddie got hurt by a "man", Jen just didn't want to get hurt by a man.
EVERYTHING IS ALL ABOUT JEN! She didn't even go to her own daughter's 13th birthday party.
IMO, Jen has a huge disconnect when it comes her relationship with Maddie...I have a feeling, I can only describe, as Jen having resentment toward Maddie. Was she jealous? If so, Jen would, probably, fight to be the center of attention, and she would see Maddie as a rival and competitor. This also means that Jen would want to please SS and give him what he wants. I think Jen knew, but didn't care as long as SS was happy, IMO. It was all about Jen's happiness, first, then Stephan's, and Maddie was always last...
This makes me sick, and I want to projectile vomit now!
Well said!
No mother would send their daughter to sleep with a grown man just so she could sleep. She knew everything and didn’t care. Uses her medications as an excuse. I wouldn’t be able to talk without constantly crying if it was my daughter and she never mentions Maddie’s name!!!!! If she doesn’t get charged our justice system is beyond broken!!!!
@@pattidavid-1955m I think she was getting a cut of the CSAM he was selling of her on the dark web
Jenn didn't say she didn't want to share a bathroom with a male. It was her roommates that said that.
Yes, I caught that too that he thought she said it
Who has to make a rule that their boyfriend can't sleep with their daughter!? It should be just KNOWN by all that daughters don't sleep with their mother's boyfriends! She is very odd at the very least.
An adult male and a child do not have ‘slumber parties’ The inappropriate interaction between family that is scary. Who was protecting Maddie…
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@justrelaxing1550
Tragically, no one was protecting Maddie. I'm glad she has peace BUT it should not take what happened to her, for a child to find peace when they are being wronged.
I absolutely believe JS will be arrested at some stage. The police/forensics and D.A are very apt at what they do. I think they're just getting thier ducks in a row.
For her to call it a "slumber party" is just beyond bizarre and im surprised the guys didnt mention it
It makes me feel sick to my mother
The dog pees if you put the leash on, you have to talk to him first...
Even the pets have issues.
And SS should have known the dog's habits. I never heard of any plan that he would walk the dog in the morning. He was in there for a reason; maybe he was looking for the missing crock. Or maybe he wanted to put the dog up so it didn't bark. JS got out of bed to help and didn't ask the time???
The dog was being abused...
@@annabelleroma2336He used the leash to keep Maddie upright in the car. Never took the dog out.
@@leegalen8383 Was or wasn't, still had issues...
@@leegalen8383without a doubt. Poor thing
Poor Madeline ended up on her mom’s side of the bed because the weirdo bf of moms was all over her. Poor little girl was never a priority in her lazy, loser mom’s life. RIP Madeline.
Adults do not have slumber parties with children.
Exactly!
The way she glanced over the possible sexual assault is NUTS.
As a registered nurse- in my opinion, Bipolar Disorder has nothing to do with these strange and dangerous choices.
Also a nurse and I agree. Especially if she’s stable on the medication. Missing medication once and taking it the very next time one is supposed to take it is not going to render her unstable.
She’s not only bipolar, but also PTSD, ADHD, and anxiety, and past SA, loneliness, emotional detachment from her mother. Mental illness is individualistic. Experiences and symptoms are very different for each person, even though the diagnoses are the same. That’s is a very isolating experience. Feel intense loneliness, can be traumatic, painful and crippling. What they fear the most is being left alone. Sexual predators sense that in weak women, use it to work on to fully control them, gain access to their children, hampering self defense mechanisms to save themselves and children. How they groom the single moms into their control, in order to get full access to the children. Often they are masters of psychological manipulation and control, hide their predators side so well, can fool many people.
Behavioral Panel left out the key factor of GROOMING. Sterns groomed her and Maddie. Explain odd behavior, strange choices…she was born with a weak psychology….SS was not like normal adult man - he had TBI arrested his development - he was a man-child, liked toys, games, immature child like, non threatening. He groomed Maddie to like him, and be quiet. He got Maddie to ask Jen she wanted to be with him. After once, twice - nothing bad,…then maybe just this one night when I really needed to recuperate my mind, it would be ok. Unfortunately it was not. It’s all because of one monster - he is responsible, and now he’s in jail. Justice is served. Let Maddie rest in peace. Jen to grieve alone in peace. Everyone be at peace.
@@nicolina4050 Thank for your reply as well. May I ask if you have dealt with or treated victims of groomers, in particular single mothers whose child was SA by the groomer? Also I wanted to paste information about grooming here to give you some basic knowledge.
The classic stages of grooming can roughly be summarised as:
Groomers target/profile the victim(s)
Groomers deliberately use words, promises and actions to gain the victim’s trust
They identify a need in their victims and fill it - or pretend/seem to do so
They desensitise the victim, often slowly, so that their normal guards/filters fail
Groomers often then isolate victims (if they're not already isolated) and/or make them complicit in wrongdoing or in their own demise.
They then often, but not always, sexualise the relationship. This is sometimes the end game for adult sexual groomers, who later disappear/'ghost' their targets
Groomers establish/maintain control over the situation and/or the victim's behaviours, often using 'gaslighting' techniques to make them doubt their own instincts
@@patchlindy Jenn is a victim, too. I feel for her and believe her emotions are most likely subdued due to routine, helpful medications. However, some boundaries should exist. It was not OK for her to send Madeline to sleep with a grown man alone (and in her interview, she seemed to know this). Grooming is real and terrible. However, someone that is groomed should still possess some limits; maybe not "enough" limits, but some, yes. Is it Jenn's fault Stephan and Madeline spent time together outside of the bedroom? No- not if she did not know about the abuse. However, diagnoses (even many) do not make it "OK" or even understandable to send one's daughter to sleep alone with a man. If Jenn were my friend, what would I do? I would hug her and support her, of course; however, if I knew she sent her daughter to sleep with Stephan, I would immediately intervene and speak with her. Grooming can cause one to be less vigilant and too trusting- but to the point of sending your child to sleep with a grown adult?
@@patchlindy I am very aware that mental illness is individualistic - due to personal and professional experience. I need not expound. Notably, using the word "illness" is not helpful or positive. Having various mental disorders does not make sending your child to sleep with an adult understandable. Madeline and Jenn are both victims. However, at a minimum, Jenn should have refrained from sending her daughter to sleep with an adult man.
Who tf calls a grown man and child sleeping in the same bed a sleep over. Weirdo
Right?! A "" slumber party '' 🤮😢
My thoughts exactly! I have never in my life ever heard anyone ever say something so absolutely ridiculous as to a grown man having a “sleepover” with a young minor female child or with any child. I have no words!
King of Pop, for one.
@@stevepeterson5943 good point
She’s says she’s paranoid , doesn’t trust anyone yet , yet lets her young daughter sleep in the same bed as her boyfriend. That’s not paranoia that’s pimping her daughter out. Poor little Maddie. She had an awful young life then was murdered just when her life as a teenager was beginning. He didn’t like that Maddie had a crush. Maybe she was going to tell what was going on. This is a tragic story. Jenn Soto is in no way a protective mother. Jenn Soto knew exactly what what was happening. Geez this is so sad.
“Slumber Party “ that to me is softening language, cuz no sane mom would call that a slumber party.
Yeah, it’s sleepover, or staying at a friends house
Non-paternal adult in bed with unrelated female child is the furthest thing from a "slumber party". Agreed, she's using softening and justifying language. She knows it is wrong, trying to convince the detective and all of us it is just an innocent slumber party.
Maddi Soto was unalived and reported missing on a Monday. This interview with her mother, Jennifer, took place on Friday that week. I don’t see how her voice is not incoherent, how she doesn’t break down and lose it. She is not the absolute mess that an innocent, unsuspecting mother would be.
E eryone always says, She's medicated. OK and?? I'm medicated but if my teenage daughter was missing I would need SO much medication to make me as calm as she is. I would be out in the streets screaming for my child. But here she is, all calm and relaxed like nothing happened to HER child.
@@Ladywithglasses76yep! She’d be more like Sharon Rocha. Laci Petersons mom.
Prayers for Peter Hyatt 🙏🏼 Thanks for pointing it out, Scott. That will send many more prayers his way.
What parent doesn’t want a good night sleep but sleep is a sacrifice when you have children
Yes when the kids are babies and toddlers. There should be no reason to get your sleep interrupted when the kid is 13 (obviously different sicknesses and emergencies excluded).
It's such a bad excuse for her (them) to call it sleepovers etc 🤢🤬. Jenn's mental health had affected Maddie long before SS came into the picture.
And why couldn't Maddie sleep in her own room? There was a guest room, Maddie's room and the mother's room, sounds like.
But the dog was ok to sleep in the bed with Jen
True and a predator always tries to be helpful almost like you can't make it without them. It's a weakness as a parent
She allowed her boyfriend to sleep with her daughter. I can't imagine being the kind of parent who would do that and then defend the boyfriend's behavior. She IS guilty of offering her daughter up to this despicable man.
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"i believed the sexual stuff, but i didnt want to believe that he had done anything evil to her"...im pretty sure assaulting a child for years is pretty evil but ok jen, continue.
There is no good or evil objectively speaking
@@ITZCHELSEA2244 that's a discussion for another day...
I believe in her mind it was consensual, based on her responses. To her it was ‘sex stuff’. Now that the spot light is on her she is forced to disclaim her rationale, due to consequences.
It is horrific but pales next to murder.
Thank you for another great episode, with excellent points raised. ❤
@@GrizzlyTrueCrime so happy to see you here! Worlds colliding 🥰
I'm subbed to you!😊
Maybe she's kicking because shes trying to wake you up because your bf won't stop touching her. Maybe you wake up with her on the other side because she's trying to get away from your bf. Maybe she suggested for all 3 of you to sleep in the same bed because she's not safe otherwise! But you sent her off to sleep upstairs with the monster!
Exactly! Well put!
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What a horrible mother. To let her daughter sleep with a grown man, she deserves prison time for that. No decent mother would ever allow that.
She doesn’t think the molestation was evil .
IMO She is obsessed with her meds, she didn't forget to take them. She uses it as an excuse because she sent them upstairs, she condoned it.
THANK YOU for noticing this. No way in he11 she forgot her meds. Her "mental illnesses" and meds are her entire identity.
The mother needs to go to prison. Rest softly in the Lords arms Maddie
As a mother she knew what going on but didn’t want to lose her lover and was willing to sacrifice her child.
I hope the law will investigate and put both in jail.
And the people in jail punish both.
Sorry to hear about Peter Hyatt . 🙏
NO MAN SHOULD SLEEP OVER WITH A 13 YR OLD. WHERE IS THE COMMON SENSE!?
Jennifer Soto doesn't have a shred of common sense
I don’t care what her diagnosis is or what her mental state was, she absolutely knew the dangers of sending a female child to sleep in the same bed as a man!
I have nothing but disgust and anger for this woman. I hope she goes to prison for the rest of her miserable life.
RIP Maddie ❤️ you deserved so much better.
Period. She CLEARLY prioritized SS and clearly was trying to protect him over her own daughter. After being shown the photos of him SA'ing Maddie she called his Dad to get him a lawyer NOW. Then when meeting in person (as he picked her up from the police station), she not only acted totally normal but she went on to explain that SS was sexually frustrated and they hadn't slept together in a long time! As if she was defending his behavior.
There is NO excuse. Everything points to her knowing more was going on between them or that she was highly suspicious, but she didn't care because she was selfish and liked SS more than she did Maddie.
A SINGLE bed at that, while she got her "needed" sleep in a king by herself, with the dog. Maddie actually needed sleep to get up the next morning for school; Jenn didn't work for the next 2-3 days. She had an entire day of naps ahead of her-- how exhausting! 🙄
She didn't care. She said she didn't trust men at all. Ever. Not even her dad. She was taught to never trust men. But what does she do? She sends her CHILD to sleep in a SINGLE bed with her bf in a room with a door that locks x3. She said she was "being selfish". Understatement of the century.
She was being selfish & disgusting bc she knew exactly what was going on. Why else would a "Woody Allen situation" be her "biggest fear"? Anyone who buys this woman's BS anymore is a walking 🚩🚩🚩 to me. And I hope to God they don't have kids!
@@LilyPedals 1:19:37 and Jen says she wanted SS to have a lawyer because Maddie could have been abducted and still missing, how disgusting for her to act worried about Maddie being missing and being mistreated when it had been going on in her house for years!
She said in one interview that she had only been working for about a week, before that she lived on disability. So she was home ALL the time. How would it be possible for SS to abuse Maddie and have all the pictures from a span of at least 5 years, yet Jen had no idea?
This case is just so heartbreaking. As much as I loathe SS, I hope he tells all and exposes Jen for her involvement so she can face life in prison.
@@pinkgorilla99exactly. Agree on all points.
@pinkgorilla99 according to Jenn, the reason she is so messed up and needs meds in the first place is bi-polar, yes, but also, PTSD because Jenn herself was R*PED! How you gonna let your daughter have a slumber party with your boyfriend and try to call yourself protecting her?! I can't believe how much I hate that woman.
The way she says "no no no, no no no" is a red flag for me. And immediately follows with, then they really wanted to watch a movie and i was really tired "or something" so she said okay go ahead but "this can't happen often". I don't know why, but that whole diatribe strikes me as odd.