It would be great if you could give a couple of closeup shots of the cartridges during the talk. I watch pretty much all of them and would love to get a closer look at what you guys are talking about!
I can send you some pics of the 28 if interested. It's my favorite big game cartridge and I do load for it. i've taken antelope, mule deer and elk with it and have yet to recover a bullet. The elk was just beyond 300yds and it destroyed her heart and lungs and exit hole was about the same as entrance.
I love these ~10 minute talks on various cartridges - I think some of them deserve a revisit, like the 30-06 needs it's own 10 minute session, but please keep it up!
Good stuff !!! Nothing wrong with have both cartridges. I love everything I just heard of the 28 NOS picked one up a week ago and this made it more exciting to go shoot it.
I love my 257 weatherby. Its a lazer. 100 grain ttsx going almost 3600 fps. Can load it with the blackjack 131 gr. If i want a little more weight, or load it with 80 gr pills for yotes. Everything ive hit with it gets struck by lightning and is drt. Oh yea, and since you guys like to talk about it, the recoil is very low for a magnum. Feels like a 270 or less. Great series gentlemen Happy New Year!
It’s funny you say that. I have never had to track a whitetail with my .257 weatherby. Most people when they ask what I shoot and I tell them .257 have never heard of it. Meanwhile I’m like do you know guns at all? Lol
I get a similar response lol. I know its overkill/overbore/a waste of powder, but i dont care! If i wanted to shoot something economical and reasonable it would be far from a .257 roy, but what fun would that be?!
I love my 28 Nosler which is very entertaining to shoot steel, soda bottles and it can rip one hole groups in paper with the correct load. A lot of people are immediately critical of the recoil but with my four-port muzzle brake, it kicks like a 410 shotgun and anyone can handle that. The only thing that sucks about it is it is expensive to shoot. Another thing is I would not be inclined to hunt with it due to the massive tissue destruction that this gun would most likely produce. A nice ultralight 270 is my style of hunting gun. Thanks for the video!
I think a series of talks on straight-walled cartridges would be great! .350 Legend .45-70 Government .450 Bushmaster .444 Marlin .44 Magnum / .357 Magnum I'm sure there are a handful that I don't know about that could get added to that list too.
Great content, I like the 7mm RUM. The 7RUM has more case capacity than the 28 Nosler, and is more over bore. The problem with the 7RUM is that it needs a longer barrel than 26in, which every 7RUM comes with from the factory, when I replace my barrel, I will put a 30 in barrel on it. The trick with the huge case capacity of the 7RUM is that you have to stick with heavy for caliber bullets. I like using Berger 180 grain, in HSM factory loads, they are going 3093 fps, and gets 3825 foot pounds of energy, as listed from HSM. I reload but with this load, I get 5/8 in 3 shot groups, I don't think I can improve on that. If you are using 150 or even 168 grain bullets in the 7RUM with a 26 in barrel, it is a very inefficent cartridge. The velocities are only marginally more than the 7mm Remington Magnum, but you burn alot more powder to do it. When you compare the same Berger 180 grain loads in the 7RUM and the 7mm Remington Magnum, there is a significant difference. The 7RUM has 250 fps and almost 600 ft lbs of energy over the 7mm Remington Magnum, as listed by HSM, very significant. The 7RUM is a great cartridge, but it is mis understood, it should have had atleast a 28 in barrel from the factories, but as I have discovered, using 180 grain, or heavier bullets makes the 7RUM a very potent round, worthy of a mention in a 10 minute talk.
I appreciate the fact that you guys took the time to do this as a holiday special, thank you. I had an idea for a cartridge based podcast with Ryan, if he would be interested. I don't hand load but my friend was loading some 308's for me the other day and was impressed to see that some of the spent brass I gave him was stamped LC 64 and LC 15...from Lake City Ordnance Plant in Missouri from 1964...and I'm guessing 2015, since the plant opened in 1940 (wouldn't/couldn't be 1915). Its also neat to see how much more sophisticated the headstamp is on the one marked 15, as compared to the more basic markings on the 64. So a podcast on headstamps and why manufacturers use what they do could be interesting.
Really need some close ups of the bullets you’re talking about and comparing. Perhaps even a go to comparison bullet like a .308 since most everyone has seen one for comparison. Almost like explaining colors to a blind person otherwise.
Been using the 6.5 prc this year and it’s my do all gun. Shot a black bear with it at 880 yards through both front shoulders and it still exited. We used it on 4 elk and 3 deer as well this year ranging from 350 yards to 670. It’s been an awesome gun and performed very well
I love my 7mm-08 (which you guys have covered) because it’s fairly efficient, low recoil, good barrel life, and it’s great for most medium to large game in the lower 48 inside of 400 yards. If I were out west where I anticipated a longer shot or larger/more dangerous game, I’d probably step it up to a 28 Nosler to stay in the .284 family One thing I’ve noticed is you guys don’t always discuss the highest BC bullets for certain cartridges (e.g. 175 for 28 Nos instead of a 183/195/197 or 140 for 7-08 instead of a 150/162/168)
I've had outstanding results in the field with the 28 Nosler. Shots from 100 to 450 yards on deer, elk, mountain sheep and caribou, all taken with the Berger VLD. Not one critter went over 20 yards after the shot. Definitely a fan.
I do most of my hunting with a Henry .45-70. My dad doesn’t care for the recoil of the .45-70, so he uses a Henry in .44 Rem Mag. I love those old school rounds. That said, I REALLY love my 6.5 CM as well. If I get to hunt on the property I want to this year, I’ll be taking a .338 LM build because there are shooting lanes well over 1000 meters. I’m all over the place.
Thanks for the Holiday Present Podcasts gents, they were all great and the spectrum of calibers was fun. While I’m enamored by the Nosler offerings (like Ryan), and they are my “go to” rifles, I hope everyone else decides to look at other offerings as I don’t need additional ammo competition ;) Thanks again
Diversify! I love everything from my 22-250 to my Weatherby 30-378! If I could only have one gun....? Well.... I don't! I think the 28 Nosler will be fit I to my repertoire at some point for sure!
I’m a big fan of the 28 nosler, this year I purchased a seekins precision havak and am pumping 169 hammer hunter bullets at 3295 FPS plus or minus about 4 fps with hand loads. I truly believe if you’re alright developing a load and not shooting the heck out of it, there’s no better cartridge for any northern American game under 800 yards. For a handful in the comments wondering if the 28 nosler will be around in the future, I think if you’re a hand loader I think there will always be access to stuff to buy for it just cause of its success so far. There’s been cartridges like 7 STW, 7 SAUM, and many others that brass is still readily available and they’re great cartridges but the nosler is on par or ahead of in following. Wonderful cartridge and a Goldilocks of size in my OPINION. Would to have loved for you guys to kinda gave some more numbers then what you did for the listeners just to inform them more but still a great podcast.
Fit and finish is amazing and is a extremely comfortable gun at the bench and in the field. If you wanna get picky, the action isn’t as smooth as some higher end ones like defiance and big horn but it is still better than 99.9% of factory rifles. I never have shot factory ammo out of it but on my first test block of ammo I got it shooting .43” at 100 yards with 5 shot groups.
I really enjoy the show guys. I too am a big fan of the 45/70 and would like to see you discuss it with modern loading practices and pared up with your 1x6 x24 Razor on a Marlin 1895 or a Ruger #1 Thanks and keep up the good work.
For AR hunting I love my 6.8 SPC II. For bolt gun I like my 6.5 CM and when I'm hunting single shots my favorite is my 35 Whelen followed closely by my 308 win. I just finished my first AR10 build and just ordered my Vortex for it yesterday. It will be in 308 win, can't wait to try some field hunting with it, definitely won't be taking it into the mountains though.
Thank you gentlemen, I was one to request a Nosler cartridge. I do believe the Nosler 28 is the fastest 7mm factory cartridge offered today (2020) even beating the 7mm STW
@@kylemartin832 no they are too entirely different cases the seven of them STW is based off the 8 mm Magnum case like down to a seven and the 7 mm Dakota is a shortened 404 Jeffrey case and then neck down to a 7 mm
@@kylemartin832 I have been shooting a 7mm stw for about 25-ish years and I didn't really want to admit it but 7mm Dakota is ballistically superior by far. I haven't had the chance to play with it 28 nosler but from Reading ballistics on it 7mm Dakota and the 28 nosler are just about neck and neck. The other thing I would warn you about the 7mm Dakota is the brass is really hard to find and expensive when you do the last time I bought some brass it was $43 for 20 rounds of new on prime brass. The brass is still available through Dakota arms but it will cost you an arm and a leg. Then on the other hand buying any sort of nosler brass isn't much fun either
I like my 6.5 Grendel in the AR-15 MSR. I decided to buy a new rifle in the Savage Apex Hunter XP in 6.5 Creedmoor. I own two 270 Winchester's, one is a Weatherby Vanguard bolt and the second one is Ruger No.1 falling block. I also have a Savage 7mm mag. I enjoy hunting with them all and they have their places depending on the animal size and distance I may be faced with. The Grendel and Creedmoor are nice for recoil and keeping the scope on the animal. My Vanguard has a really decent recoil pad so it don't hit me really hard at all. I enjoy shooting that rifle more then the Big 7mm because of the recoil and muzzle jump. I'm a fan of lighter recoil and even Have managed recoils rounds for the 270 and HSM reduced recoil for the 7mm mag so I'm more accurate with those calibers due to less recoil in my face.
I do love the idea of these over-the-top cartridges, and I have a 6.5 Grendel and two 300 Blackouts but overall, I like the idea of the efficient rounds. Started with a 243 and a 270 Winchester was my 'big' cartridge which is really somewhat of an old school physically large but very reasonable cartridge. Got into 22-250 when I started hand loading as that becomes more versatile. Like the 25-06. Would like to get a 257 Roberts at some point. At the moment, probably shoot the most 6 Creed, 6.5 Creed and 7mm-08. Obviously 223/556 is great. I think the 350 Legend is a great choice for folks where I live in Indiana... And Ohio and Pennsylvania and surrounding areas where 400 yard shots are pretty long and most game is taken within 200. I've had two 7mm Rem Mags, one was a tactical type jobbie that I did shoot quite a bit but I think I liked the rifle more than the cartridge. Never owned a 30-06 or a 300 Win Mag. These hugely overbore cartridges... I mean, if I could borrow someone's rifle to take out west somewhere it would be different. Having said that, CVA chambers 28 Nosler in the Cascade.
I would appreciate a pod cast that went into deep detail on how to get a muzzle loader out to 1000 yards. Also maybe talk about your opinions on the recent popularity of muzzle loaders and the advancement in the specific field.
Great content in the talks. Not gonna lie... I love the college game day feel with the WSU hat always in the background. Keep up the good work. GO COUGS
I just shot a 28 nosler a few days ago. I believe it was a weatherby rifle with a carbon fiber wrapped barrel and carbon fiber stock. It had a dead air nomad 30 on it and it really shot great. I was pleasantly surprised cause I expected the worst 😂 great video
With a Ryan Pierce throat on the 28, you can push the 28 nosler to 3250fps with the 195 Berger. A lot of wasted powder capacity on noslers part to hinder the round with 3.340 length. As to my favorite guns to shoot, I like to shoot what there’s components for. US 869 is (although temp unstable) plentiful and pretty cheap. 28 noslers like US869. Dies and brass are fairly easy to find right now as well, and I already have thousands of magnum primers. Good luck trying to find powders for 223, 6.5 creed, and 308. And god help you if you need small rifle primers. So right now I want a super magnum
I remember watching this video when it came out and just the other day I found a nib CZ 550 custom chambered for 28 Nosler. It appears there weren't very many of those put together but being a big CZ fan and wanting a 550 action while they are still available here and there, and the fact that it's a more rare custom chambering I just had to get it. This video popped into my memory and now I am amped up to get it to the range and try it out.
Speaking of speed, I use a NOSLER load out of their No.3 load book. It's the max load for the 25-06 100gr Ballistic Tip, 3490 fps from 54.0 grs of IMR 4831 and that speed according to NOSLER is from a 22-inch Hart test barrel. The recoil is very light about like a 6.5x55 Swede in the low pressure range of 35 to 45,000, and it drops whitetail deer like a lightning bolt.
The 28 nosler is a amazing big and medium game animals and if your hunting in areas where you could run into any predator over 500 lbs a magnum cartridge would be nice but I’ve found everything I hit with the 6.5 prc had died just as quick as any big 300 or 28 nosler.. in my opinion any bc above .600 and with a grain above 120 and speeds of 3000fps your gonna find a similar result it hits hard as hell knocks shit down and fills the freezer
Great episode. I appreciate that you guys circle back around and talk about what is the best balance of every day shootability and effectiveness for all ranges. I would like to hear one about the best overall cartridge for anyone that wants to get into and enjoy shooting but can also go upwards and load to be able to hunt serious non-dangerous game and how heavy should the platform be. I. E. A light kicking 6mm vs. the 28 nosler and where between those do you get the most efficiency for what you get vs. what you have to put up with if factory bullets are all you are going to purchase? And possibly a discussion about a subcategory if you want a rifle that is very enjoyable with a brake vs. other type of rifle is enjoyable without a break
I learned to shoot at 18 with a 300wby magnum. Today I shoot my 6.5 Creedmoors and love the ease of shooting and barrel life and still a very flat trajectory. I have several other calibers but the 6.5PRC and Creed are my 2 favorites I would say.
The decision to use factory ammo in the .28 Nosler comes down to whether you have it in a true standard length action, like that provided by Nosler, which it was designed for, and are limited to a 3.3 or so in OAL. Or if you have it in a push feed action like the M700, which doesn't have a true standard length action but instead uses a magnum length action. The magnum length action will allow you to see bullets out to 3.6 inches or so. This allows you to free up more case space, esp with the long, heavy for caliber bullets of 175+ grains. But it makes the cartridge a handloading proposition. At Proof Research, we sell a lot of .28 Noslers. It is one of the most popular 7mm options we chamber for. The heat dissipation properties of the carbon fiber help with barrel life, but beyond that, we use mostly Defiance actions, which are a M700 footprint. This means we chamber the .28 Nosler in a long action, and our dies are designed to reflect that by seating bullets out to nearly touch the lands at 3.6 inches or so. This means that you aren't going to get very good results with factory ammo, but we are gambling that if you're spending thousands of dollars on a Proof Research rifle or hundreds of dollars on a Proof Research barrel, you already understand that you're going to be handloading to get the best results from it. The Nosler M48s are good rifles, and are a true standard length action, so if you want factory ammo to be an option, you have to buy your rifle accordingly.
I am getting ready to purchase a Winchester 1886 with the color case hardened receiver and octagon barrel in 45-90. I like both the big carts and small. I'm really excited about this 28 Nosler. That will have to go on my short list.
I'm constantly stuck between "round here, a boy and his .303 was all that was needed to put a moose in the freezer." And "Man, a 7mm STW or a .358 STA would be cool to have."
I like them all, I tend to lead towards Ryan's preference. I too love the 45/70 ...And monkey around with muzzleloaders also. But if the right deal come at the right time for a 28 Nosler I would get.. .it 8mm×57 is where my gun world 🌎 started
I came across a browning x bolt hells canyon in 30 nosler. It's my first .30 magnum cartridge and I hear the 30 has a much longer barrel life compared to the 28
So my answer to the question is have two rifles to fit all needs. Mine are chambered in 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC. They do everything I could ever ask of them. If I’m stand or blind hunting the family farm I shoot my 6.5 and if I’m on a mountain or in the plains of the west I shoot my 300. Both are easy to tune on the loading bench and both can be heavy hitters if I need them to be (within their respective capabilities)
That would have to be a "6mm revolution" 90min episode. But im interested as well. Maybe group them into 2 groups....prs only and dual purpose prs/hunting.
Yes I like them all.. I also love the 45-70, like the 6.5 creeds, I love the 7mm rem mag, and I also have a super light Kimber 280 AI that I love. Now, and the reason I was watching this video actually, is I am looking into my next rifle real soon to be either a 28 Nosler, a 300 PRC, a 300 win mag, or a 300 WSM.. I just keep going back and forth and can not make my mind up.
28 Nosler is what I jumped to in 2020. Its an amazing cartridge and I'm getting avg 3150 fps out of the muzzle with the Nosler Accubond 175 gr bullet. Its been lethal on bear, antelope, deer, and elk.
Nothing special about the 28 Nos, My 7mm.rem mag throws a 175 nosler at 2975 behind 62.5 grs of IMR 4350 out of a 24 inch tube. That's only 175 fps faster with a lot more powder and recoil. Also I ain't paying 60.bucks for a box of 20 unprimed brass. 28 nos will hang around the fringes for awhile and like the 264 win mag just remain alive in a handful of shooters.
@@twolak1972 I find many 7mm rem are not twist rate set up to throw a 175 well. Good for you btw. I like all the .284. I try to keep my killing velocity at 2000 or above at impact, my 28 can do that to 800 yards or more. My ole 7mm never could and preferred 150 gr bullets
i got the 28 nosler personally but now I'm looking at a 7mm PRC. i love the 28 its very very flat shooting and at least in my rifle set up the recoils is almost nil like I was was thinking great here's a round thats gonna hurt to shoot after 3-4 trigger pulls and hell i've gone to the range and shot 40 rounds and wasn't even really red on my shoulder. Now i'm curious about the 7mm PRC and also the gunwerks muzzleloader.
I hunt in a wooded area and don’t have a shot more than 300 yards been hunting for 50 years and can still do it all with a 3006. I go on a hunt every year and the biggest thing I have shot was about a 500lb oryx at 150 yards and the 3006 cleaned his clock
I've taken a number of moose here in Newfoundland with my .270 with ease! Most shots were made within 450 yards and some were well within 40 yards with 115 gr bullet. Sometimes the animals were out of reach so I'm debating on getting a .28 Nosler to make the longer shots so that stalking can be reduced through the mountains and snow!
I'd like to see a few of these 10 min. talks were you guys take an old standbye cartridge, say a 300 WM or a 30-'06, and compare it to one of the newer cartridges of equal caliber ( or smaller), that surpasses the older's performance, or, say, equals it with much more efficiency.
Great stuff guys, have enjoyed the podcasts a lot :) In regards to cartridge I'm getting older so the less recoil the better and the eyes aren't as good as they once were so closer ranges are good as well lol Would love to take a few pigs @75 metres max with a big bullet but no or little recoil if such a thing exists? I am in Australia so the cartridge would have to be available in a bolt gun. Cheers and hope you all have a great New Year :)
Personally to the question at the end, I fall in between. I really like the goldilocks zone. I was just having this conversation with my dad this morning, so crazy timing watching this video. That may seem like the easy way out, and yeah. That's kind of the point. While we were talking pistols, it's really just all scale. Like if I'm going to go down from say .40 or 9mm, to a gun for concealed carry the size you'd typically see a .380, then just give me the .380, so I don't have the problems of the recoil and wear and capacity. I don't want the 9mm trying to be shoehorned into a fattened LCP. I'll deal with the shortcomings of the .380, and avoid all of the other issues. The same holds true with rifles. There's so much room within SAAMI specs that I'm willing to add one extra caliber to get rid of all those problems, and again, just deal with the shortcomings of the caliber, be it .223, .308, .270, .30-06, etc. I think the majority of people, even the low to mid tier hunters (meaning how often and how many types of game and individual animals) would probably do the same, unless they just love to shoot and spend money. Then getting back to that mid tier up to the extreme hunters, or the guys that just live to shoot as often as humanly possible, you are the guys where these more niche calibers really start to matter. Whereas it would be a kick to go shoot one for a range day for many of us, it would be largely inconsequential beyond that. Ok, I love my .223, but I need something more substantial, so maybe move up to that .308 or .270. For many hunters, they get one or a few big hunts in their life, so then maybe buy one for that hunt, but even then, most will probably make it a caliber that won't completely kill their barrel and wallet that they can still range day with occasionally and still have at the ready for that big hunt, like a 7mm or maybe even a .338 Lapua. Still not as crazy as a 28 Nosler. Just as the .270 is cheaper and more widely available in ammo and gun selection, and less niche that say the .280 AI. So just like Ryan is like ehh on shooting beyond 600 yards, I think most people are that way to an even bigger degree, and that being the case, I just don't need or want that hassle for something I'm going to get bare minimum use out of either for hunting or range fun. Just like the car analogy, supercars and hypercars are awesome, but the most of the fun happens below 120, most of the time, and you don't need a Koenigsegg to do it. If you want one, great, but most are going for the Corvette or the M3, or even both still without needing the hypercar.
For me it's all about the experience.i have enough good/bad experience to know what's what.. but it's the enjoyment of reliving the experience!! Going out with a 300 mag in Arkansas and knowing no limits was cool. However 90 yard one shot stops with a 30 carbine on a running deer at age 11...something to tell the kids about
Good video fellows!! I own and shot .300 Wby since 1993 and love the gun. Right after Y2K, the race hyper velocity and ultra velocity race started on who makes a laser fast cartridge and it is still going. 10 years ago I bought another crazy caliber ( The.300RUM) not much is talked about it. The only thing I can say, it has a punishing recoil and the brass is extremely expensive. This beast does get from point A to point B very fast. I want to see what you guys have to say about it? Thanks,👍
Would have thought you a 30-378 Weatherby would be in the safe over the RUM. Both great cartridges for the Late 90’s -early 2000’s velocity race. Need heavy guns with a muzzle break to make it comfortable to shoot. Neither are particularly efficient. Remington has the better machine and marketing. 30-378 Weatherby is the speed king for the factory 30 caliber rounds @ $135-160 a box. Brass from Weatherby is $90 a box. I use 120 grains of H50BMG with a 180 TTSX killed everything but a Moose in WY because I haven’t got a tag. Not a range gun shooting all day. Never shoot without ear protection. Spotter has to be directly behind not to feel the heart punch of a schlock wave out of it. 🤷🏽♂️🤣
@@wyfromewa5618 believe it or not, there is another beast of the beasts cartridge in .30 caliber that is called 7.82mm Lazzeroni Warbird and they make rifles and wildcat cartilages. Lazzeroni makes this caliber faster than 30-378 wby and yes a box of 20 will run at around $180. They are located here in my home state of Arizona. Now sure what this guy was thinking 🤔
Interesting topic. I just got a 28 Nosler, but do not consider it a "Big Boy". A 416 is. While technology has improved effectiveness of smaller calibers, I tend to lie on the side of "Use More than Enough Gun", because these days rifle hunting is limited and expensive. So I want the advantage of "Overkill". That depending on the Game hunted. In my experience 30 cal and up kill bigger game better and why I'm second guessing my recent 28 purchase. I also like the idea of 1 rifle for most NA hunting, from deer to moose. Throw in long range opportunities and 1 rifle becomes more difficult. I sure wouldn't want to pass on the bull of my dreams, because it's out of my 45-70 range! I lump the 300 Win, 338 Win into the same pile, because on a Bull elk at 650 yards, I'd prefer something flatter shooting, like a 300 Weatherby. I guess my choice would be my stainless, semi-custom Remington 700 in 300 RUM. The 28 should do, but back to believing 30 kills quicker. I know guys with custom Sniper 7 mags, who tell me, 30 cal is better out yonder. But here's the Rub... do I really want to hunt elk in black timber, with a 26 inch barrel? My 28 Nosler is light, with 24 inch barrel. My thinking it would be a better compromise as a 1 gun option? Then pair either up with a bigger gun? Like my customized Tikka T3 in 375 Ruger, which I'm thinking about cutting the barrel back to 20 inches for the timber? I'm also looking at an 18 inch 9.3X62 Mauser, either of which could be used for any big game at sane ranges. So my dilemma... 300 RUM/375 Ruger combo, or 28 Nosler/9.3X62? I like them all! With all this said, if one was satisfied with normal hunting ranges, say 400 yards max and 350 better, one would do quite well using a 30-06!
Awesome video! Thank you. With the 28 Nosler, How many rounds would you say you’d have to send down range before having issues with the barrel? How does it affect the barrel?
What grain is the ideal grain for a 28 nosler shooting past 500 yards at elk. And what grain is the ideal grain shooting up to and maybe past 500 yards at a whitetail deer. I have the federal premium terminal decent 155 grain and I’ve watched videos where they are shooting Berger VLD 180 grain bullets
I have a big heavy 300 win mag that’s becoming my bench/blind gun. 6.5 CM that is just pleasant to shoot and can kinda do anything I need it to without getting into really big animals. 28 Nosler is my next rifle. Something light weight that I can haul on a mountain and poke most any north American animal at most any range.
The 28 Nosler and the 300 RUM parent case are both based off of the 404 Jeffery. The difference is the 28 Nosler has similar/better ballistics but has a shorter OCL and can fit into a standard long action and the 300 RUM requires a magnum long action.
Esp with machined needle point and a vacuum parabola on bearing surface 1.28 G7 B.C. and 3 companies wanting to buy my patent on shape design or even see it . Bullets are still very basic sadly when there is tech available for true aerodynamical design based on parabola theory .
I know this comment is a bit late but. I am Ryan 100%. My plan for my next two guns is 1 a 1886 Win in 45/70 and 2 a Ruger Hawkeye long range hunter in 6.5prc.
Ryan, if you see this. Supposing someone is looking for a gun that is that do all at reasonable ranges, everything but griz. And he was stuck between a light 300 win mag and a light 28 nosler, which direction would you point him assuming he already shoots and reloads for win mag and likes the caliber? Does 28 really worth the expense of the change over when you get into the field? I really want to do one light weight custom or semi custom, one time
Just curious if the 300 Bee is loaded with a bullet comparable to the 28 rum 175 you guys have there in BC and SD how would the down range numbers look? Little bit of end of the year math fun for everyone.
It would be great if you could give a couple of closeup shots of the cartridges during the talk. I watch pretty much all of them and would love to get a closer look at what you guys are talking about!
Totally agree!
Agreed
I can send you some pics of the 28 if interested. It's my favorite big game cartridge and I do load for it. i've taken antelope, mule deer and elk with it and have yet to recover a bullet. The elk was just beyond 300yds and it destroyed her heart and lungs and exit hole was about the same as entrance.
@@claytonbruner1808 I appreciate it, but I was just interested in them showing any of the cartridges they talk about on the show. Thanks anyway!
@@1917jmb No worries.
Great drinking game for these 10 minute talks...every time someone says "6.5 creedmoor", take a shot.
Lol come on
Be friggen sloshed after 3 episodes
I love these ~10 minute talks on various cartridges - I think some of them deserve a revisit, like the 30-06 needs it's own 10 minute session, but please keep it up!
Right on Ryan. The more your sharing about your likes, the more I loke and enjoy what your sharing.....
When you gonna do garandad and grandma, 7x57 and 6.5x55
Good stuff !!! Nothing wrong with have both cartridges. I love everything I just heard of the 28 NOS picked one up a week ago and this made it more exciting to go shoot it.
I love my 257 weatherby. Its a lazer. 100 grain ttsx going almost 3600 fps. Can load it with the blackjack 131 gr. If i want a little more weight, or load it with 80 gr pills for yotes. Everything ive hit with it gets struck by lightning and is drt. Oh yea, and since you guys like to talk about it, the recoil is very low for a magnum. Feels like a 270 or less. Great series gentlemen Happy New Year!
It’s funny you say that. I have never had to track a whitetail with my .257 weatherby. Most people when they ask what I shoot and I tell them .257 have never heard of it. Meanwhile I’m like do you know guns at all? Lol
I get a similar response lol. I know its overkill/overbore/a waste of powder, but i dont care! If i wanted to shoot something economical and reasonable it would be far from a .257 roy, but what fun would that be?!
I love my 28 Nosler which is very entertaining to shoot steel, soda bottles and it can rip one hole groups in paper with the correct load. A lot of people are immediately critical of the recoil but with my four-port muzzle brake, it kicks like a 410 shotgun and anyone can handle that. The only thing that sucks about it is it is expensive to shoot. Another thing is I would not be inclined to hunt with it due to the massive tissue destruction that this gun would most likely produce. A nice ultralight 270 is my style of hunting gun. Thanks for the video!
Bullet selection and placement is that largest, by A long shot when it comes to tissue damage.
And that right there is all that needs to be said. Short, sweet, and true!
I think a series of talks on straight-walled cartridges would be great!
.350 Legend
.45-70 Government
.450 Bushmaster
.444 Marlin
.44 Magnum / .357 Magnum
I'm sure there are a handful that I don't know about that could get added to that list too.
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@@TheNickademas1 30-30 is not straight walled
Great content, I like the 7mm RUM. The 7RUM has more case capacity than the 28 Nosler, and is more over bore. The problem with the 7RUM is that it needs a longer barrel than 26in, which every 7RUM comes with from the factory, when I replace my barrel, I will put a 30 in barrel on it. The trick with the huge case capacity of the 7RUM is that you have to stick with heavy for caliber bullets. I like using Berger 180 grain, in HSM factory loads, they are going 3093 fps, and gets 3825 foot pounds of energy, as listed from HSM. I reload but with this load, I get 5/8 in 3 shot groups, I don't think I can improve on that. If you are using 150 or even 168 grain bullets in the 7RUM with a 26 in barrel, it is a very inefficent cartridge. The velocities are only marginally more than the 7mm Remington Magnum, but you burn alot more powder to do it.
When you compare the same Berger 180 grain loads in the 7RUM and the 7mm Remington Magnum, there is a significant difference. The 7RUM has 250 fps and almost 600 ft lbs of energy over the 7mm Remington Magnum, as listed by HSM, very significant. The 7RUM is a great cartridge, but it is mis understood, it should have had atleast a 28 in barrel from the factories, but as I have discovered, using 180 grain, or heavier bullets makes the 7RUM a very potent round, worthy of a mention in a 10 minute talk.
My 28” 28 nosler is doin 3275 with 180’s. I hit pressure at 3435. Long barrels help
I've been waiting/looking forward to this review. Really want to build something in a 28nos. Great video!
I appreciate the fact that you guys took the time to do this as a holiday special, thank you.
I had an idea for a cartridge based podcast with Ryan, if he would be interested. I don't hand load but my friend was loading some 308's for me the other day and was impressed to see that some of the spent brass I gave him was stamped LC 64 and LC 15...from Lake City Ordnance Plant in Missouri from 1964...and I'm guessing 2015, since the plant opened in 1940 (wouldn't/couldn't be 1915). Its also neat to see how much more sophisticated the headstamp is on the one marked 15, as compared to the more basic markings on the 64.
So a podcast on headstamps and why manufacturers use what they do could be interesting.
Definitely interesting! Will bring that up to him :) Thanks!!
Really need some close ups of the bullets you’re talking about and comparing. Perhaps even a go to comparison bullet like a .308 since most everyone has seen one for comparison. Almost like explaining colors to a blind person otherwise.
Completely agree.
This
Been using the 6.5 prc this year and it’s my do all gun. Shot a black bear with it at 880 yards through both front shoulders and it still exited. We used it on 4 elk and 3 deer as well this year ranging from 350 yards to 670. It’s been an awesome gun and performed very well
Got one on order. Probably won't see it until August.
we need that 45-70 talk please... and the 1000yd muzzle loader talk
35 whelen would be a cool cartridge to talk about. Wonderful round that may be foreign to many
A lost gem of a cartridge
Love the podcasts yall make. I've been wanting to see a podcast on 6.5x300 wby
I love my 7mm-08 (which you guys have covered) because it’s fairly efficient, low recoil, good barrel life, and it’s great for most medium to large game in the lower 48 inside of 400 yards. If I were out west where I anticipated a longer shot or larger/more dangerous game, I’d probably step it up to a 28 Nosler to stay in the .284 family
One thing I’ve noticed is you guys don’t always discuss the highest BC bullets for certain cartridges (e.g. 175 for 28 Nos instead of a 183/195/197 or 140 for 7-08 instead of a 150/162/168)
I've had outstanding results in the field with the 28 Nosler. Shots from 100 to 450 yards on deer, elk, mountain sheep and caribou, all taken with the Berger VLD. Not one critter went over 20 yards after the shot. Definitely a fan.
I do most of my hunting with a Henry .45-70. My dad doesn’t care for the recoil of the .45-70, so he uses a Henry in .44 Rem Mag. I love those old school rounds. That said, I REALLY love my 6.5 CM as well. If I get to hunt on the property I want to this year, I’ll be taking a .338 LM build because there are shooting lanes well over 1000 meters. I’m all over the place.
270 for the win 🥇
270 actually uses a. 277 diameter bullet where the 280 and 28 nos use .284 diameter bullets. Nosler actually released the 27 nosler this year
No shit
Who are you telling?
@@dylanbob3909 the guy on the show obviously. he said 270 was the same as the 7mm
Thanks for the Holiday Present Podcasts gents, they were all great and the spectrum of calibers was fun. While I’m enamored by the Nosler offerings (like Ryan), and they are my “go to” rifles, I hope everyone else decides to look at other offerings as I don’t need additional ammo competition ;) Thanks again
A 10 min talk on the 303 brit would be great. Everyone I know who is over 40 has had or still has a sporterized Enfield
That's getting into shoulder fired rocket territory. 🚀 👍
Diversify! I love everything from my 22-250 to my Weatherby 30-378! If I could only have one gun....? Well.... I don't! I think the 28 Nosler will be fit I to my repertoire at some point for sure!
I like them all. Variety is awesome
I’m a big fan of the 28 nosler, this year I purchased a seekins precision havak and am pumping 169 hammer hunter bullets at 3295 FPS plus or minus about 4 fps with hand loads. I truly believe if you’re alright developing a load and not shooting the heck out of it, there’s no better cartridge for any northern American game under 800 yards.
For a handful in the comments wondering if the 28 nosler will be around in the future, I think if you’re a hand loader I think there will always be access to stuff to buy for it just cause of its success so far. There’s been cartridges like 7 STW, 7 SAUM, and many others that brass is still readily available and they’re great cartridges but the nosler is on par or ahead of in following. Wonderful cartridge and a Goldilocks of size in my OPINION. Would to have loved for you guys to kinda gave some more numbers then what you did for the listeners just to inform them more but still a great podcast.
How do you like the Seekins rife? How did it shoot with factory ammo?
Fit and finish is amazing and is a extremely comfortable gun at the bench and in the field. If you wanna get picky, the action isn’t as smooth as some higher end ones like defiance and big horn but it is still better than 99.9% of factory rifles.
I never have shot factory ammo out of it but on my first test block of ammo I got it shooting .43” at 100 yards with 5 shot groups.
I really enjoy the show guys. I too am a big fan of the 45/70 and would like to see you discuss it with modern loading practices and pared up with your 1x6 x24 Razor on a Marlin 1895 or a Ruger #1 Thanks and keep up the good work.
For AR hunting I love my 6.8 SPC II. For bolt gun I like my 6.5 CM and when I'm hunting single shots my favorite is my 35 Whelen followed closely by my 308 win. I just finished my first AR10 build and just ordered my Vortex for it yesterday. It will be in 308 win, can't wait to try some field hunting with it, definitely won't be taking it into the mountains though.
Thank you gentlemen, I was one to request a Nosler cartridge. I do believe the Nosler 28 is the fastest 7mm factory cartridge offered today (2020) even beating the 7mm STW
The seven of them Dakota is actually the flattest and the fastest seven of them cartridge out there made in the factory in South Dakota
Damn spell check 7mm Dakota
@@travisallison2574 Is the 7mm Dakota another nam for the STW?
@@kylemartin832 no they are too entirely different cases the seven of them STW is based off the 8 mm Magnum case like down to a seven and the 7 mm Dakota is a shortened 404 Jeffrey case and then neck down to a 7 mm
@@kylemartin832 I have been shooting a 7mm stw for about 25-ish years and I didn't really want to admit it but 7mm Dakota is ballistically superior by far. I haven't had the chance to play with it 28 nosler but from Reading ballistics on it 7mm Dakota and the 28 nosler are just about neck and neck. The other thing I would warn you about the 7mm Dakota is the brass is really hard to find and expensive when you do the last time I bought some brass it was $43 for 20 rounds of new on prime brass. The brass is still available through Dakota arms but it will cost you an arm and a leg. Then on the other hand buying any sort of nosler brass isn't much fun either
I like my 6.5 Grendel in the AR-15 MSR. I decided to buy a new rifle in the Savage Apex Hunter XP in 6.5 Creedmoor. I own two 270 Winchester's, one is a Weatherby Vanguard bolt and the second one is Ruger No.1 falling block. I also have a Savage 7mm mag. I enjoy hunting with them all and they have their places depending on the animal size and distance I may be faced with. The Grendel and Creedmoor are nice for recoil and keeping the scope on the animal. My Vanguard has a really decent recoil pad so it don't hit me really hard at all. I enjoy shooting that rifle more then the Big 7mm because of the recoil and muzzle jump. I'm a fan of lighter recoil and even Have managed recoils rounds for the 270 and HSM reduced recoil for the 7mm mag so I'm more accurate with those calibers due to less recoil in my face.
I do love the idea of these over-the-top cartridges, and I have a 6.5 Grendel and two 300 Blackouts but overall, I like the idea of the efficient rounds. Started with a 243 and a 270 Winchester was my 'big' cartridge which is really somewhat of an old school physically large but very reasonable cartridge. Got into 22-250 when I started hand loading as that becomes more versatile. Like the 25-06. Would like to get a 257 Roberts at some point. At the moment, probably shoot the most 6 Creed, 6.5 Creed and 7mm-08. Obviously 223/556 is great. I think the 350 Legend is a great choice for folks where I live in Indiana... And Ohio and Pennsylvania and surrounding areas where 400 yard shots are pretty long and most game is taken within 200. I've had two 7mm Rem Mags, one was a tactical type jobbie that I did shoot quite a bit but I think I liked the rifle more than the cartridge. Never owned a 30-06 or a 300 Win Mag. These hugely overbore cartridges... I mean, if I could borrow someone's rifle to take out west somewhere it would be different. Having said that, CVA chambers 28 Nosler in the Cascade.
I would appreciate a pod cast that went into deep detail on how to get a muzzle loader out to 1000 yards. Also maybe talk about your opinions on the recent popularity of muzzle loaders and the advancement in the specific field.
Great content in the talks. Not gonna lie... I love the college game day feel with the WSU hat always in the background. Keep up the good work. GO COUGS
Thank you for doing this! I was the one beating your doors down!
I just shot a 28 nosler a few days ago. I believe it was a weatherby rifle with a carbon fiber wrapped barrel and carbon fiber stock. It had a dead air nomad 30 on it and it really shot great. I was pleasantly surprised cause I expected the worst 😂 great video
With a Ryan Pierce throat on the 28, you can push the 28 nosler to 3250fps with the 195 Berger. A lot of wasted powder capacity on noslers part to hinder the round with 3.340 length.
As to my favorite guns to shoot, I like to shoot what there’s components for. US 869 is (although temp unstable) plentiful and pretty cheap. 28 noslers like US869. Dies and brass are fairly easy to find right now as well, and I already have thousands of magnum primers.
Good luck trying to find powders for 223, 6.5 creed, and 308. And god help you if you need small rifle primers.
So right now I want a super magnum
I remember watching this video when it came out and just the other day I found a nib CZ 550 custom chambered for 28 Nosler. It appears there weren't very many of those put together but being a big CZ fan and wanting a 550 action while they are still available here and there, and the fact that it's a more rare custom chambering I just had to get it. This video popped into my memory and now I am amped up to get it to the range and try it out.
Speaking of speed, I use a NOSLER load out of their No.3 load book. It's the max load for the 25-06 100gr Ballistic Tip, 3490 fps from 54.0 grs of IMR 4831 and that speed according to NOSLER is from a 22-inch Hart test barrel. The recoil is very light about like a 6.5x55 Swede in the low pressure range of 35 to 45,000, and it drops whitetail deer like a lightning bolt.
Good video as always, I'd love to see a talk about the 22 hornet my favorite cartridge
Do the .378 Weatherby, please!
We'll add it to the idea board - we appreciate it!
The 28 nosler is a amazing big and medium game animals and if your hunting in areas where you could run into any predator over 500 lbs a magnum cartridge would be nice but I’ve found everything I hit with the 6.5 prc had died just as quick as any big 300 or 28 nosler.. in my opinion any bc above .600 and with a grain above 120 and speeds of 3000fps your gonna find a similar result it hits hard as hell knocks shit down and fills the freezer
Great episode. I appreciate that you guys circle back around and talk about what is the best balance of every day shootability and effectiveness for all ranges. I would like to hear one about the best overall cartridge for anyone that wants to get into and enjoy shooting but can also go upwards and load to be able to hunt serious non-dangerous game and how heavy should the platform be. I. E. A light kicking 6mm vs. the 28 nosler and where between those do you get the most efficiency for what you get vs. what you have to put up with if factory bullets are all you are going to purchase? And possibly a discussion about a subcategory if you want a rifle that is very enjoyable with a brake vs. other type of rifle is enjoyable without a break
I learned to shoot at 18 with a 300wby magnum. Today I shoot my 6.5 Creedmoors and love the ease of shooting and barrel life and still a very flat trajectory. I have several other calibers but the 6.5PRC and Creed are my 2 favorites I would say.
The decision to use factory ammo in the .28 Nosler comes down to whether you have it in a true standard length action, like that provided by Nosler, which it was designed for, and are limited to a 3.3 or so in OAL. Or if you have it in a push feed action like the M700, which doesn't have a true standard length action but instead uses a magnum length action. The magnum length action will allow you to see bullets out to 3.6 inches or so. This allows you to free up more case space, esp with the long, heavy for caliber bullets of 175+ grains. But it makes the cartridge a handloading proposition. At Proof Research, we sell a lot of .28 Noslers. It is one of the most popular 7mm options we chamber for. The heat dissipation properties of the carbon fiber help with barrel life, but beyond that, we use mostly Defiance actions, which are a M700 footprint. This means we chamber the .28 Nosler in a long action, and our dies are designed to reflect that by seating bullets out to nearly touch the lands at 3.6 inches or so. This means that you aren't going to get very good results with factory ammo, but we are gambling that if you're spending thousands of dollars on a Proof Research rifle or hundreds of dollars on a Proof Research barrel, you already understand that you're going to be handloading to get the best results from it. The Nosler M48s are good rifles, and are a true standard length action, so if you want factory ammo to be an option, you have to buy your rifle accordingly.
I am getting ready to purchase a Winchester 1886 with the color case hardened receiver and octagon barrel in 45-90. I like both the big carts and small. I'm really excited about this 28 Nosler. That will have to go on my short list.
I'm constantly stuck between "round here, a boy and his .303 was all that was needed to put a moose in the freezer." And "Man, a 7mm STW or a .358 STA would be cool to have."
I usually end up getting both. You only live once
I own three 7 mm stws and to 7mm Dakota's . And I've been threatening to build a 358 sta for about 10 years
Can’t go wrong with the STW. 30 inch barrel and a 150 pill going 3350
The 3006 with proper powder and bullets will handle any game on the North American continent, it's very versatile.
I like them all, I tend to lead towards Ryan's preference. I too love the 45/70 ...And monkey around with muzzleloaders also. But if the right deal come at the right time for a 28 Nosler I would get.. .it 8mm×57 is where my gun world 🌎 started
I came across a browning x bolt hells canyon in 30 nosler. It's my first .30 magnum cartridge and I hear the 30 has a much longer barrel life compared to the 28
So my answer to the question is have two rifles to fit all needs. Mine are chambered in 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC. They do everything I could ever ask of them. If I’m stand or blind hunting the family farm I shoot my 6.5 and if I’m on a mountain or in the plains of the west I shoot my 300. Both are easy to tune on the loading bench and both can be heavy hitters if I need them to be (within their respective capabilities)
thankyou for this video not a whole lot of information on .280 ai or 28 nosler, and you covered both. thumbs up
Nosler reloading Manos have the 280cc improved in them
Love the show! any possibly for 45-70 making the cut?
I have a built 28. Love it. Bus they are right. 1000 round barrels
I was the one beating your doors. THANK YOU
.338 Win Mag please
I like them all!
Good stuff !!
Please cover the PRS/NRL class of cartridges combined in one episode: 6 GT, 6 BR, 6 Dasher, 6 Creedmoor, 6 PPC, 6x47 Lapua, etc...
That would have to be a "6mm revolution" 90min episode. But im interested as well. Maybe group them into 2 groups....prs only and dual purpose prs/hunting.
Yes I like them all.. I also love the 45-70, like the 6.5 creeds, I love the 7mm rem mag, and I also have a super light Kimber 280 AI that I love. Now, and the reason I was watching this video actually, is I am looking into my next rifle real soon to be either a 28 Nosler, a 300 PRC, a 300 win mag, or a 300 WSM.. I just keep going back and forth and can not make my mind up.
Please do a vid on 204 ruger!
"shoots like a laser"
28 Nosler is what I jumped to in 2020. Its an amazing cartridge and I'm getting avg 3150 fps out of the muzzle with the Nosler Accubond 175 gr bullet. Its been lethal on bear, antelope, deer, and elk.
Nothing special about the 28 Nos, My 7mm.rem mag throws a 175 nosler at 2975 behind 62.5 grs of IMR 4350 out of a 24 inch tube. That's only 175 fps faster with a lot more powder and recoil. Also I ain't paying 60.bucks for a box of 20 unprimed brass. 28 nos will hang around the fringes for awhile and like the 264 win mag just remain alive in a handful of shooters.
@@twolak1972 I find many 7mm rem are not twist rate set up to throw a 175 well. Good for you btw. I like all the .284. I try to keep my killing velocity at 2000 or above at impact, my 28 can do that to 800 yards or more. My ole 7mm never could and preferred 150 gr bullets
Will you guys review one of the new 6.5 Weatherby cartridges? 6.5 RPM, 6.5-300. Thanks for Ontario!
Can u guys do the 35 Remington? These are awesome!!
35 Whelen /A.I. : Power , reach , efficiency , cheap components. The best hammer in the tool box and the most underrated.
i got the 28 nosler personally but now I'm looking at a 7mm PRC. i love the 28 its very very flat shooting and at least in my rifle set up the recoils is almost nil like I was was thinking great here's a round thats gonna hurt to shoot after 3-4 trigger pulls and hell i've gone to the range and shot 40 rounds and wasn't even really red on my shoulder. Now i'm curious about the 7mm PRC and also the gunwerks muzzleloader.
It would be interesting to get more info on 300PRC and how it compares to 30 nosler, 300 win mag and 300 weatherby
Oh no no no.... you gotta bring the big dog from Wby..... u need the 30-378 wby.... put that up wit 30 Nosler. 😃
Can you please talk about 25-45 Sharps, Please !?
I hunt in a wooded area and don’t have a shot more than 300 yards been hunting for 50 years and can still do it all with a 3006. I go on a hunt every year and the biggest thing I have shot was about a 500lb oryx at 150 yards and the 3006 cleaned his clock
Professor ryan is the man!
I've taken a number of moose here in Newfoundland with my .270 with ease! Most shots were made within 450 yards and some were well within 40 yards with 115 gr bullet. Sometimes the animals were out of reach so I'm debating on getting a .28 Nosler to make the longer shots so that stalking can be reduced through the mountains and snow!
I love all guns, I have a problem 😂. Every time I have some extra money I buy one.
I'd like to see a few of these 10 min. talks were you guys take an old standbye cartridge, say a 300 WM or a 30-'06, and compare it to one of the newer cartridges of equal caliber ( or smaller), that surpasses the older's performance, or, say, equals it with much more efficiency.
Great stuff guys, have enjoyed the podcasts a lot :) In regards to cartridge I'm getting older so the less recoil the better and the eyes aren't as good as they once were so closer ranges are good as well lol
Would love to take a few pigs @75 metres max with a big bullet but no or little recoil if such a thing exists? I am in Australia so the cartridge would have to be available in a bolt gun.
Cheers and hope you all have a great New Year :)
Look at the 350 legend. My dad loves his for those distances and for the reasons you listed.
Do a talk on the 300 savage
Whats your opinion on 26 Nosler vs 6.5-300 Weatherby?
To put in prospective a 28 nosler is more powerful and out performing a 300 win mag
I would really love it if you guys could do a talk on the 7.62x 38 Nagant. Its a really strange little round i would love to learn more on!
Love to see a video on the .303 British
Personally to the question at the end, I fall in between. I really like the goldilocks zone. I was just having this conversation with my dad this morning, so crazy timing watching this video.
That may seem like the easy way out, and yeah. That's kind of the point. While we were talking pistols, it's really just all scale. Like if I'm going to go down from say .40 or 9mm, to a gun for concealed carry the size you'd typically see a .380, then just give me the .380, so I don't have the problems of the recoil and wear and capacity. I don't want the 9mm trying to be shoehorned into a fattened LCP. I'll deal with the shortcomings of the .380, and avoid all of the other issues.
The same holds true with rifles. There's so much room within SAAMI specs that I'm willing to add one extra caliber to get rid of all those problems, and again, just deal with the shortcomings of the caliber, be it .223, .308, .270, .30-06, etc. I think the majority of people, even the low to mid tier hunters (meaning how often and how many types of game and individual animals) would probably do the same, unless they just love to shoot and spend money.
Then getting back to that mid tier up to the extreme hunters, or the guys that just live to shoot as often as humanly possible, you are the guys where these more niche calibers really start to matter. Whereas it would be a kick to go shoot one for a range day for many of us, it would be largely inconsequential beyond that.
Ok, I love my .223, but I need something more substantial, so maybe move up to that .308 or .270. For many hunters, they get one or a few big hunts in their life, so then maybe buy one for that hunt, but even then, most will probably make it a caliber that won't completely kill their barrel and wallet that they can still range day with occasionally and still have at the ready for that big hunt, like a 7mm or maybe even a .338 Lapua. Still not as crazy as a 28 Nosler. Just as the .270 is cheaper and more widely available in ammo and gun selection, and less niche that say the .280 AI.
So just like Ryan is like ehh on shooting beyond 600 yards, I think most people are that way to an even bigger degree, and that being the case, I just don't need or want that hassle for something I'm going to get bare minimum use out of either for hunting or range fun. Just like the car analogy, supercars and hypercars are awesome, but the most of the fun happens below 120, most of the time, and you don't need a Koenigsegg to do it. If you want one, great, but most are going for the Corvette or the M3, or even both still without needing the hypercar.
For me it's all about the experience.i have enough good/bad experience to know what's what.. but it's the enjoyment of reliving the experience!! Going out with a 300 mag in Arkansas and knowing no limits was cool. However 90 yard one shot stops with a 30 carbine on a running deer at age 11...something to tell the kids about
Good video fellows!! I own and shot .300 Wby since 1993 and love the gun. Right after Y2K, the race hyper velocity and ultra velocity race started on who makes a laser fast cartridge and it is still going. 10 years ago I bought another crazy caliber ( The.300RUM) not much is talked about it. The only thing I can say, it has a punishing recoil and the brass is extremely expensive. This beast does get from point A to point B very fast. I want to see what you guys have to say about it? Thanks,👍
Would have thought you a 30-378 Weatherby would be in the safe over the RUM. Both great cartridges for the Late 90’s -early 2000’s velocity race. Need heavy guns with a muzzle break to make it comfortable to shoot. Neither are particularly efficient. Remington has the better machine and marketing. 30-378 Weatherby is the speed king for the factory 30 caliber rounds @ $135-160 a box. Brass from Weatherby is $90 a box. I use 120 grains of H50BMG with a 180 TTSX killed everything but a Moose in WY because I haven’t got a tag. Not a range gun shooting all day. Never shoot without ear protection. Spotter has to be directly behind not to feel the heart punch of a schlock wave out of it. 🤷🏽♂️🤣
@@wyfromewa5618 believe it or not, there is another beast of the beasts cartridge in .30 caliber that is called 7.82mm Lazzeroni Warbird and they make rifles and wildcat cartilages. Lazzeroni makes this caliber faster than 30-378 wby and yes a box of 20 will run at around $180. They are located here in my home state of Arizona. Now sure what this guy was thinking 🤔
Interesting topic. I just got a 28 Nosler, but do not consider it a "Big Boy". A 416 is. While technology has improved effectiveness of smaller calibers, I tend to lie on the side of "Use More than Enough Gun", because these days rifle hunting is limited and expensive. So I want the advantage of "Overkill". That depending on the Game hunted. In my experience 30 cal and up kill bigger game better and why I'm second guessing my recent 28 purchase. I also like the idea of 1 rifle for most NA hunting, from deer to moose. Throw in long range opportunities and 1 rifle becomes more difficult. I sure wouldn't want to pass on the bull of my dreams, because it's out of my 45-70 range! I lump the 300 Win, 338 Win into the same pile, because on a Bull elk at 650 yards, I'd prefer something flatter shooting, like a 300 Weatherby. I guess my choice would be my stainless, semi-custom Remington 700 in 300 RUM. The 28 should do, but back to believing 30 kills quicker. I know guys with custom Sniper 7 mags, who tell me, 30 cal is better out yonder. But here's the Rub... do I really want to hunt elk in black timber, with a 26 inch barrel? My 28 Nosler is light, with 24 inch barrel. My thinking it would be a better compromise as a 1 gun option? Then pair either up with a bigger gun? Like my customized Tikka T3 in 375 Ruger, which I'm thinking about cutting the barrel back to 20 inches for the timber? I'm also looking at an 18 inch 9.3X62 Mauser, either of which could be used for any big game at sane ranges. So my dilemma... 300 RUM/375 Ruger combo, or 28 Nosler/9.3X62? I like them all! With all this said, if one was satisfied with normal hunting ranges, say 400 yards max and 350 better, one would do quite well using a 30-06!
We still need that 7mm wsm
10min on the 7mm rem mag would be great
I'd love to hear about the 10.3x68
Awesome video! Thank you. With the 28 Nosler, How many rounds would you say you’d have to send down range before having issues with the barrel? How does it affect the barrel?
I read 800 rounds
I prefer the cartridge best suited for the game I’m hunting. Whitetail in the southeast? 7mm-08. Deer in Wisconsin 30-06. Cape Buffalo a 416 rigby
I too would like to hear about the 260 remington. Many of the long range precision guys prefer it to the 6.5CM.
What grain is the ideal grain for a 28 nosler shooting past 500 yards at elk. And what grain is the ideal grain shooting up to and maybe past 500 yards at a whitetail deer. I have the federal premium terminal decent 155 grain and I’ve watched videos where they are shooting Berger VLD 180 grain bullets
I have a big heavy 300 win mag that’s becoming my bench/blind gun. 6.5 CM that is just pleasant to shoot and can kinda do anything I need it to without getting into really big animals. 28 Nosler is my next rifle. Something light weight that I can haul on a mountain and poke most any north American animal at most any range.
Love my .308 ruger american hunter. She favors black hills 168 gr hpbt. Can easily hit 3 inch targets at 500 yrds. She's my go to...for now lol
The 28 Nosler and the 300 RUM parent case are both based off of the 404 Jeffery. The difference is the 28 Nosler has similar/better ballistics but has a shorter OCL and can fit into a standard long action and the 300 RUM requires a magnum long action.
6 mils? Put a 190-195 Berger in there and drop it below 6.
Been wondering when you were gonna do the 28.
Great job guys
Esp with machined needle point and a vacuum parabola on bearing surface 1.28 G7 B.C. and 3 companies wanting to buy my patent on shape design or even see it . Bullets are still very basic sadly when there is tech available for true aerodynamical design based on parabola theory .
I know this comment is a bit late but. I am Ryan 100%. My plan for my next two guns is 1 a 1886 Win in 45/70 and 2 a Ruger Hawkeye long range hunter in 6.5prc.
Love to see a pod cast for 6.5 x 55 swede
We'll add it to the idea bucket. We appreciate it!
Can you do one on the 6.8 Western? Advantages over 270 WSM? Disadvantages?
Ryan, if you see this.
Supposing someone is looking for a gun that is that do all at reasonable ranges, everything but griz. And he was stuck between a light 300 win mag and a light 28 nosler, which direction would you point him assuming he already shoots and reloads for win mag and likes the caliber? Does 28 really worth the expense of the change over when you get into the field? I really want to do one light weight custom or semi custom, one time
27 Nosler please!
Just curious if the 300 Bee is loaded with a bullet comparable to the 28 rum 175 you guys have there in BC and SD how would the down range numbers look? Little bit of end of the year math fun for everyone.