I just took out my 280 REM last weekend. 162s doing 2,760 fps is a great combo. Medium recoil with plenty of energy down range. The 280 REM is a fantastic hunting cartridge.
280 Remington and 284 Winchester are great cartridges. Both were poorly marketed by their respective companies plus the guns they were chambered in. Been hunting with a 284 Winchester for 30 years now. 7mm man for sure.
.41 Mag would be a great little talk. People who are actually deep down the magnum sixgunning rabbit hole love that round: flat shooting, accurate, plenty of power, not terrible recoil, beefy cylinder walls for safety in a Blackhawk or N Frame, etc
It may be a lead balloon, but it's my lead balloon. Ive had my Browning A-Bolt in 280 Remington since the mid 80's. From large Red Deer on down, it has worked wonders and still does to this day. My rifle is particular to 160 gr class bullets. Which I handload. However, several major manufacturers still produce factory ammo.
Certainly is a great cartridge, and clearly has been working for you. Personally, I'd rechamber to .280 AI for the performance and versatility as I believe that it can still fire .280 Rem ammo (I need to double check if that is correct). .280 AI is definitely on my bucket list.
My understanding is that the 280 was developed in the 1950's for the semi-auto Remington Model 740 and the pump action Model 760 that had demonstrated reliability issues with the 270 Win. These guns were designed around the 30-06, but the 270 uses a 5,000 psi higher chamber pressure (65,000psi vs 60,000psi) and that extra pressure seemed to be the problem. Apparently, these issues were discovered only after the Model 760 was chambered in 270 during 1953. Remington then created the 280, which was held to the same max pressure as the 30-06 to have something close to the 270 that would operate just fine in their pump and semi-auto actions. It was only in the 1980's that these rifles were beefed up slightly and chambered in the 270 Win. FWIW. the 280 AI gained some extra abilities since officially increased the chamber pressure to 65,000psi and increased the standard twist to 1 twist in 9 inches compared to the original's 1-in-10".
@atomicwedgie8176 Why? The AI uses less powder, less recoil and can achieve the same ballistics. If you want more case volume, go PRC or Nosler. If you want more efficient and less recoil, go AI.
.280 REM a great cartridge. I grew up shooting this in Wisconsin. You don’t see this offering very much, along with very limited factory ammo options. My dad owns two rifles chambered in .280 REM- Remington 700 Mtn with blued barrel and wood stock & Winchester Model 70 Featherweight. These guns have been over to hunt African plains game, out west for mule deer & pronghorn, and Wisconsin whitetails.
Okay. I’ve got some of your optics. Not sure I’ll buy any more…. I live in Europe. But if this podcast ever stops it will be a very sad day. Love you guys.
Great talk. I killed my first mulie buck, pronghorn buck and cow elk with my uncle’s 280 Rem. I used 140 partitions at 2950 that shot 3/4” groups from a 24” barrel. Objectively speaking, I could have killed any of these critters with a 270 Win shooting 130 Partitions. I now have the rifle and shoot 140 Accubonds or 140 Ballistic Tips using the same powder, primer, case and OAL. Either load shoots 5/8” groups at 2965. Again, great talk.
Hunted/loaded/shot .280 Remington for 30 years until 6-7 years ago switched to.280AI. Great cartridge! Great variety of bullets. Sometimes you have to quit obsessing over paper ballistics and rely on years of experience. There isn’t any new cartridge that out perform the classics in the field unless your set on shooting an animal at unethical distances to stroke your ego or paper ballistics hunting. But thankfully we live in a free country and you can do whatever you choose.
This is a good point and I think it would have been worth mentioning a major contributing factor to the cartridges lack of success was the rifles it was chambered in, in particular the slide action 7600 and the semi variant, which is why they ran lower pressures.
I remember in my youth going through junior high and high school up there in Southern Wisconsin (Near the rolling hills where the great New Glarus beers are made) at a private school where the teachers could actually talk about hunting and firearms and such….. my old history and American Government teacher was my role model. Taught me so much about bow hunting and firearms and reloading etc etc…. Anyway, he always went out in the gun deer season with a rifle I always admired. He had a first generation Browning A-Bolt stainless steel in 280 Remington. When he explained to me about ballistics and how much better it was down range than a 270 or 30-06….. I was hooked to learn more!! I was always so envious of his rifle when we went out… (yes, often times he would take the full 9 days of gun season and I would tag along and we would go way north by Crivitz) and I just had an old WWI Eddystone 30-06 with no scope. Now though I love that 30-06 more than anything knowing what I know now, but as a youth…. That “new” 280 in stainless in a sleek synthetic stock with optics… boy was I jealous 😂 Ah, the good old days when teachers could take students with them to gun ranges and out into the woods to hunt game and actually talk about guns IN SCHOOL!!! 😁
I grew up in the 80's, in the Pacific Northwest, and had an older Family member who was a Gunsmith that loved the 280 Remington. He would claim, as a handloader, the 280 Rem is everything the 270 Win dreamed of being, and would also often say, the 280 Rem will do everything the 30-06 would, without the recoil. I'm lucky enough to have one of his Mauser 98's with a 280 Remington barrel. The gun is picky but does well with the Barnes 140 grain TTSX.
Many years ago i was fortunate and had lunch with Jim Carmichae(Outdoor Life's shooting editor) and a mutual friend. I told Jim that I would have purchased a .280 Remington if I had known about the .280 when I was a young man. Jim then told me ,"You'll never be able to see any difference between the .270 Win and the 280 Rem. They're both 7mm and the big game animals shot with the two will never know the difference". I've used the .270 over the world. No problems ever. Bullet placement is the big deal with both calibers.
I’m 26 and when Ryan said that mythbusters was a vestige of his youth, I thought : “ me too!” I audibly laughed. A testament to a show that spanned generations. Thanks for making me feel old guys!
Yes please! Also still waiting for my .222 Remington talk. The triple deuce spawned a hole bunch of interesting cartridges like .17 Rem; .204 Ruger; .221 Rem Fireball; 5,6x50 and 5,6x50R; 6x47; .300 Blackout; .350 Legend and - arguably the most shot centerfire rifle round - .223 Rem / 5,56x45.
Ive been asking for years about the 17 Rem and/or 17 Fireball. They did an episode on sub-caliber cartridges once but a deep dive into the .17 caliber would be fun.
Thank you for the great 280 Rem talk. Great comments and great fun. I hope the 280 Rem is not marked for extinction, but fear it will be relegated to the world of handloaders' only. Fortunately, Nosler offers the 140gr Expansion Tip (E-Tip) monolithic ammo for the 280 Rem. It aint cheap, but hits hard and penetrates deep into big deer. Hornady offers Precision Hunter in 150gr E-LDX in 280 Rem. Thanks again.
327 is a great cartridge. Though they are often in the same size as 38 special it comes with an extra round and it is much more powerful than the 38spl (which is a favorite of mine). You also have the option of multiple lighter loadings when desired.
Can we get a cartridge talk on 338-06? Would like to find out why it didn't stick around since everything I've seen points to it being a great cartridge.
It came along (commercially) too late. By the time it got the attention it deserves the gun media was pushing short mags and ultra mags... I love the round tho, I have a std 338/06 as well as an ackley improved version, spectacular cartridge! Incredibly reliable with the 200 gr speer hotcore...
I have a suspicion that another factor was it wasnt big enough. My classmate chambered a rifle in .35 Whelen (358-06) and his reason was "if I'm going to deviate from 30 cal and make my life harder, I'm going to really deviate". Basically 338 isnt more than 308 enough. It has the usual overbore benefits but people have their priorities.
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz i just got done doing a whelen build myself funny enough haha if I was reloading I would have probably opted for the 338-06, feels likes a happy medium between the 06 and 35.
As someone who hunts with a .280 Remington, I’m excited to listen to this episode. Also, am I the only one who, based on his voice alone, was shocked to discover Ryan isn’t a white-haired old-timer that you would find behind your local gun counter?
I must also add that the .280 Remington is still not loaded to it's full potential due to the pump action and auto's are still out there. My handload has a 160 gr at 2850 fps with no pressure signs out of my Browning A-Bolt. Nothing to sneeze at.
I love my Ruger M77 .280 Rem. It's taken too many deer to count. I'm going all copper and trying the Nosler E-tip this year with it. Best of luck to everybody going afield this season.
Dakota is now Park West. I'm sure you could get .280 built. From what I've heard, most, if not all, of the people that worked for Dakota are still there.
Was hoping someone would point this out! They have an incredible team and are producing the same incredible, custom firearms they were before, albeit under different model names. The team is mostly the same and maintain their incredible reputation. It was Remington’s loss!
@@KenRen-hw8uv Ron Spomer, of Ron Spomer Outdoors, recently had an SD10 built in 7x57 Mauser. Beautiful rifle! I'm trying to decide which cartridge I want mine chambered in. Since I'll never be able to afford one, I have plenty of time to make up my mind🤣
280 REM is a favorite of mine, shot many deer with it. I’ve always reloaded for it, will deer know the difference between 270 Win. and the 280 Rem. I don’t think so. The advantage of the 280 is you can load up to 175 gr. bullets.
I own a Ruger 77 MK/II with a Pac Nor stainless barrel chambered in 280 Remington. It is a great deer rifle! Load to appropriate chamber pressure (65K) and it does just as well as the 270 Win and 30-06.
First coyote I ever killed as a kid was with a browning bar in 280. I was deer hunting with my uncle and had never killed anything other than small game. So the old 280 will always be a special cartridge for me even though I don’t own one now.
I know y'all have said in the past that these are supposed to be 10 minutes bc people listen to them on their commute. My commute is about 35 minutes so this is perfect!
Remington 700 Classic in 280 Remington was my old South Dakota, East river whitetail rifle…still have it, like the rifle and the cartridge. Lead balloon.
I have a 280AI. When I needed to form fire some brass, I decided to use 280 load data with some factory seconds I have. With a max 280 load, I was shocked at how much room there was for more powder. I could not help but think they were idiots not to use the case to anywhere near its full capacity.
Myth busters most definitely made a lead balloon float, and Adam has a good story on it on his channel. Ended up having to go to a couple different rolling companies to get the spec they needed, and because it kept breaking their machines. Will leave out one of the cooler parts, but it most definitely happened
As Ryan knows from our chat at Sheep Show, I love my 280. Of 60 + animals half have fallen to 06 and over one third to the 280. Longest shots on animals are with 280. Elk, deer , sheep and antelope. Since I have the 280, I see no need for an AI. Probably different if I didn't have a 280 that shoots
Love the podcast and all the lead balloons you’ve covered. Question: if you had to choose one lead balloon cartridge to do all your hunting with from now on, what would you choose, and why?
I have been hunting with a 280 Remington for a little over 20 years. Taken many deer and hogs. Three hogs just a few weeks ago. I have tried bullets from 120 grains to 162 grains. Just recently tried the Barnes 145 LRX because of Ryan touting Barnes bullets. Everything he has said about them is true.
My first custom built on pre 64 action and kept the factory ultra light stock. The gunsmith recommended 280 instead of 264 win mag(my first choice).I had just started hand loading and he insisted it would be easier handload . Built many other customs but my “go to” is always the 280. If I had to have only one …. It’s the 280
First hunting rifle I remember in my family was a Remington 742 in .280. It is on the wall now, but just got myself another Remington 740 in .280 I will be hunting with this year!! Enjoy some .280 love!
I own a 280 Rem, I love it. Remington messed it up by loading for auto loading and pump action rifles. The name changes didn't help. I think if it had a faster twist than what most have/ had, it would still be popular.
Surprised there was no mention of the rifles the 280 was originally chambered in and how that held the cartridge back from its full potential in factory loadings.
Weatherby Mark V 6 lug in 280 - I want to like it so bad because the rifle handles so well. With factory options it just doesn’t do much that my 7mm-08’s do and you’re way more limited with factory ammo. My understanding is O’Connor’s rifle in 280 never saw the field, it was at his gunsmith for his custom stock fitting when he passed away.
For many years Shotgun News advertised Winchester Featherweight rifles in 280 Remington, at an attractive price. How I wanted one! But it was just too much $$ when shipping, tax, and gun store fees were involved. I ended up with an Interarms Mark X in 30-06, sold at half price from a sporting goods store that was going out of business (great choice, it shot 5/8-in groups at 100 yds).. I thought the 280 Rem was, on paper, an excellent choice. I'm sure I could handload it to be accurate and hard-hitting, just like my 30-06. But at that time I was on a tight budget, and couldn't justify it. I recall the words of a gun writer who has now gone to the great shooting range in the sky. When asked "Where are the all-around rifles?" his replay was "There are plenty of all-around rifles. Where are the all-around hunters?" And I would say there are plenty of excellent calibers out there, chambered in excellent rifles. The 280 Remington is one of them. Anyone who has one is, I'm sure, happy with it.
You guys (Ryan) brought up the 327 Fed magnum. A great revolver round! Before it was a couple very successful 32 caliber rounds, then the Federal magnum made the best 32 caliber. Fits 6 rounds into the size of a 5 round 38 caliber cylinder. I love the 327 Federal, as well as the 41 magnum. Though a couple of my favorite revolvers are a 357 magnum and a 44 magnum. But my two favorite revolver calibers are the 327 mag and 41 mag. Thanks for another popular lead balloon caliber talks, the alluring 280 Remington.
I have a Remington 280 game master 1953. I have never had to track anything that has been in its site. I use a 165 gr extended range Use it on Michigan deer and elk. Fantastic rifle.
You guys didn't even mention why the .280 never took off, the Remington 742 that was the first rifle released in .280. The cartridge was too powerful for the rifle, so they loaded the cartridge weaker than it was spec-ed at instead of improving the metallurgy in the semi-auto 742 receivers. That's what killed the .280.
I think it would have been successful if they'd have named it the 7mm-06. Then they'd have had the 7mm-08, 7mm-06, and 7mm Mag. Of course it'd been great if Remington had commercialized the 338-06, instead of A-square, so there'd have been rifles and ammunitionfor it.
I'd like to see a match up between 350 legend vs 360 buckhammer and also the 400 legend vs the 450 bushmaster to see what my next rifle caliber for straight walled states
I have a Remington 700 ADL in 280 and love it . I think something that didn't help the 280 was it was first offered in the Remington 740 . While a good gun in their own right but not known for being tack drivers .
Several 20th century gun magazine writers explained that Remington had throttled back slightly on the .280 Remington’s SAAMI spec pressure to make the round less challenging to the actions of their Model 740 / Model 742 / Model Four / Model 7400 auto loaders. The implication was that users of modern bolt action rifles could safely load .280 Remington a bit hotter.
Could y’all do a 10 minute talk or full podcast evaluating all the new “modernized” heavy for caliber cartridges (ARCs, Creedmoors, PRCs, 6.8 Western, etc) and pick your favorites? Say if you could only have 3? Or 2? Or 1? Which selection would y’all pick?
This was the comment I was looking for before I addressed the lead balloon in the room. Great show. If I remember right, the theory was that as the ballon got larger, the volume increased faster than the surface area, and thus you had more buoyancy from the helium to support the weight from the lead.
I remember that Adam said in a Tested video that it took them a long time to actually get lead thin enough. Think they had talked to a company in the US and after a while that fell through. So they had to go with a company based out of Germany. Either way, ultra thin, used a lot of tape because of how thin the material was. But they did in fact make a floating lead balloon.
I have liked the 280 ever since I first heard of it. With comparable bullets recoil is about the same as ought six. The downrange ballistics are much better. Compared with the 270 if you use the same weights you gain a bit of velocity. The 280 can use heavier bullets. I finally got one about 20 years ago. A Remington 725 made in 1963. Came with a Leopold 3x9x40 gold ring scope and a fancy padded sling. Shoots great. Love it.
I as well, vote this a highly under appreciated caliber. Great choice gentlemen. CAN'T WAIT to SE the upcoming episode on the .358 for us lever gun fellas. jmp
And the P13 was chambering a .276 cartridge I believe. The P14 was then chambered in .303 Brit for the same reason the Pederson was dropped for .30-06.
I just took out my 280 REM last weekend. 162s doing 2,760 fps is a great combo. Medium recoil with plenty of energy down range. The 280 REM is a fantastic hunting cartridge.
280 Remington and 284 Winchester are great cartridges. Both were poorly marketed by their respective companies plus the guns they were chambered in. Been hunting with a 284 Winchester for 30 years now. 7mm man for sure.
These #10minutetalk being 30 minutes long will never get old.
#freebaseball
Another under appreciated cartridge worth a 10 min talk is the 7-30 waters. 41 Magnum is another outstanding cartridge that doesn't get its due.
.41 Mag would be a great little talk. People who are actually deep down the magnum sixgunning rabbit hole love that round: flat shooting, accurate, plenty of power, not terrible recoil, beefy cylinder walls for safety in a Blackhawk or N Frame, etc
Second that 41 Mag talk!
17 fireball
@@FMDad-dm5qoI 100% agree. My first/only hot rod revolver is a Ruger Blackhawk in 41mag.
41 mag, 17 fireball, 9x25 dillon, 8mm rem mag, 350 rem mag
It may be a lead balloon, but it's my lead balloon. Ive had my Browning A-Bolt in 280 Remington since the mid 80's. From large Red Deer on down, it has worked wonders and still does to this day. My rifle is particular to 160 gr class bullets. Which I handload. However, several major manufacturers still produce factory ammo.
Certainly is a great cartridge, and clearly has been working for you. Personally, I'd rechamber to .280 AI for the performance and versatility as I believe that it can still fire .280 Rem ammo (I need to double check if that is correct).
.280 AI is definitely on my bucket list.
Got to love a 10 minute talk that turns into 20. These guys are great.
The 30 Super Carry is a very RECENT lead balloon. THAT would be an interesting conversation.
And it could have worked but cost twice what 9mm did. 😅
@@ThatGuy-kf7foya it’s a bit hard to train at the cost
Good concept, but missed the point and doesnt have support.
JIM FOR THE WIN!! Excellent Office Space reference slid in at the perfect moment! 👏 👏
My understanding is that the 280 was developed in the 1950's for the semi-auto Remington Model 740 and the pump action Model 760 that had demonstrated reliability issues with the 270 Win. These guns were designed around the 30-06, but the 270 uses a 5,000 psi higher chamber pressure (65,000psi vs 60,000psi) and that extra pressure seemed to be the problem. Apparently, these issues were discovered only after the Model 760 was chambered in 270 during 1953.
Remington then created the 280, which was held to the same max pressure as the 30-06 to have something close to the 270 that would operate just fine in their pump and semi-auto actions. It was only in the 1980's that these rifles were beefed up slightly and chambered in the 270 Win.
FWIW. the 280 AI gained some extra abilities since officially increased the chamber pressure to 65,000psi and increased the standard twist to 1 twist in 9 inches compared to the original's 1-in-10".
This series is so damn underrated. Beyond entertaining and a wealth of knowledge.
At least it gave birth to the 280 Ackley Improved👍
Just get a 7mm Rem Mag?
@atomicwedgie8176 Why? The AI uses less powder, less recoil and can achieve the same ballistics. If you want more case volume, go PRC or Nosler. If you want more efficient and less recoil, go AI.
@@jonathonvandenberg2535Yes, yes and yes.
@@atomicwedgie8176 Les recoil, similar ballistics
Just bought a 280 AI
.280 REM a great cartridge. I grew up shooting this in Wisconsin. You don’t see this offering very much, along with very limited factory ammo options. My dad owns two rifles chambered in .280 REM- Remington 700 Mtn with blued barrel and wood stock & Winchester Model 70 Featherweight. These guns have been over to hunt African plains game, out west for mule deer & pronghorn, and Wisconsin whitetails.
10 minute talk on the 6.5 B.C.? I love those episodes of your wildcatting adventures.
Yes!!
Okay. I’ve got some of your optics. Not sure I’ll buy any more…. I live in Europe. But if this podcast ever stops it will be a very sad day. Love you guys.
I absolutely love my 280 Rem. Especially as a reloader. I’ve had mine since the late 1990’s
Great talk. I killed my first mulie buck, pronghorn buck and cow elk with my uncle’s 280 Rem. I used 140 partitions at 2950 that shot 3/4” groups from a 24” barrel. Objectively speaking, I could have killed any of these critters with a 270 Win shooting 130 Partitions. I now have the rifle and shoot 140 Accubonds or 140 Ballistic Tips using the same powder, primer, case and OAL. Either load shoots 5/8” groups at 2965. Again, great talk.
7X64 Brenneke is close but developed in Europe totally independently. Great cartridge. I have a CZ 557 Lux in 7X64. 1/4 MOA rifle.
Y'all should really do a podcast about the Thompson center contender and all the odd cartridges it is chambered in.
I second this idea.
Yes! I love my contender
Hunted/loaded/shot .280 Remington for 30 years until 6-7 years ago switched to.280AI. Great cartridge! Great variety of bullets. Sometimes you have to quit obsessing over paper ballistics and rely on years of experience. There isn’t any new cartridge that out perform the classics in the field unless your set on shooting an animal at unethical distances to stroke your ego or paper ballistics hunting. But thankfully we live in a free country and you can do whatever you choose.
One thing to note on the 280 Rem the SAAMI pressure is 60,000 PSI compared to the 65,000 PSI on the 270 win and 280 AI.
This is a good point and I think it would have been worth mentioning a major contributing factor to the cartridges lack of success was the rifles it was chambered in, in particular the slide action 7600 and the semi variant, which is why they ran lower pressures.
Yup, completely bogus pressure limit on the 28O Rem
I remember in my youth going through junior high and high school up there in Southern Wisconsin (Near the rolling hills where the great New Glarus beers are made) at a private school where the teachers could actually talk about hunting and firearms and such….. my old history and American Government teacher was my role model. Taught me so much about bow hunting and firearms and reloading etc etc…. Anyway, he always went out in the gun deer season with a rifle I always admired. He had a first generation Browning A-Bolt stainless steel in 280 Remington. When he explained to me about ballistics and how much better it was down range than a 270 or 30-06….. I was hooked to learn more!! I was always so envious of his rifle when we went out… (yes, often times he would take the full 9 days of gun season and I would tag along and we would go way north by Crivitz) and I just had an old WWI Eddystone 30-06 with no scope. Now though I love that 30-06 more than anything knowing what I know now, but as a youth…. That “new” 280 in stainless in a sleek synthetic stock with optics… boy was I jealous 😂 Ah, the good old days when teachers could take students with them to gun ranges and out into the woods to hunt game and actually talk about guns IN SCHOOL!!! 😁
The 280 is a wonderful cartridge, one of my favorites...
Great conversation; thanks! Enjoyable and educational, as always.
I grew up in the 80's, in the Pacific Northwest, and had an older Family member who was a Gunsmith that loved the 280 Remington. He would claim, as a handloader, the 280 Rem is everything the 270 Win dreamed of being, and would also often say, the 280 Rem will do everything the 30-06 would, without the recoil. I'm lucky enough to have one of his Mauser 98's with a 280 Remington barrel. The gun is picky but does well with the Barnes 140 grain TTSX.
Many years ago i was fortunate and had lunch with Jim Carmichae(Outdoor Life's shooting editor) and a mutual friend. I told Jim that I would have purchased a .280 Remington if I had known about the .280 when I was a young man. Jim then told me ,"You'll never be able to see any difference between the .270 Win and the 280 Rem. They're both 7mm and the big game animals shot with the two will never know the difference". I've used the .270 over the world. No problems ever. Bullet placement is the big deal with both calibers.
I’m 26 and when Ryan said that mythbusters was a vestige of his youth, I thought : “ me too!” I audibly laughed. A testament to a show that spanned generations. Thanks for making me feel old guys!
Great video as always! Any chance for an episode on 9.3x62/9.3x74r?
Yes please! Also still waiting for my .222 Remington talk. The triple deuce spawned a hole bunch of interesting cartridges like .17 Rem; .204 Ruger; .221 Rem Fireball; 5,6x50 and 5,6x50R; 6x47; .300 Blackout; .350 Legend and - arguably the most shot centerfire rifle round - .223 Rem / 5,56x45.
I love 280 rem!!! It’s an amazing cartridge
Could you guys do a 10 minute talk on the 17 hornet or 17 Remington? They would be great episodes I think
Ive been asking for years about the 17 Rem and/or 17 Fireball. They did an episode on sub-caliber cartridges once but a deep dive into the .17 caliber would be fun.
I can’t believe I just listened to 30 minutes of 280 REM without hearing 7x64 mentioned, it’s European twin. Great talks, love it 👍🏼
Also no mention of the first gun it was chambered in, the Remington 742, which was the reason the cartridge had problems in the first place.
25-06 used to be popular
Thank you for the great 280 Rem talk. Great comments and great fun. I hope the 280 Rem is not marked for extinction, but fear it will be relegated to the world of handloaders' only. Fortunately, Nosler offers the 140gr Expansion Tip (E-Tip) monolithic ammo for the 280 Rem. It aint cheap, but hits hard and penetrates deep into big deer. Hornady offers Precision Hunter in 150gr E-LDX in 280 Rem. Thanks again.
Honestly: I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.
327 is a great cartridge. Though they are often in the same size as 38 special it comes with an extra round and it is much more powerful than the 38spl (which is a favorite of mine). You also have the option of multiple lighter loadings when desired.
Awesome you guys are back on the cartridge talks!
Any chance of a 30-40 Krag episode?
Thanks for the awesome content!
Lead ballon topic wssm cartridges specifically 25 wssm
Can we get a cartridge talk on 338-06? Would like to find out why it didn't stick around since everything I've seen points to it being a great cartridge.
It came along (commercially) too late. By the time it got the attention it deserves the gun media was pushing short mags and ultra mags... I love the round tho, I have a std 338/06 as well as an ackley improved version, spectacular cartridge! Incredibly reliable with the 200 gr speer hotcore...
I have a suspicion that another factor was it wasnt big enough. My classmate chambered a rifle in .35 Whelen (358-06) and his reason was "if I'm going to deviate from 30 cal and make my life harder, I'm going to really deviate". Basically 338 isnt more than 308 enough. It has the usual overbore benefits but people have their priorities.
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz i just got done doing a whelen build myself funny enough haha if I was reloading I would have probably opted for the 338-06, feels likes a happy medium between the 06 and 35.
As someone who hunts with a .280 Remington, I’m excited to listen to this episode. Also, am I the only one who, based on his voice alone, was shocked to discover Ryan isn’t a white-haired old-timer that you would find behind your local gun counter?
Where do you get bullets from ?
H&R was still making .280 Remington barrels until they discontinued the barrel program. A lot of friends with them that really appreciate them.
I must also add that the .280 Remington is still not loaded to it's full potential due to the pump action and auto's are still out there. My handload has a 160 gr at 2850 fps with no pressure signs out of my Browning A-Bolt. Nothing to sneeze at.
I've been shooting 160s at 2825 out of my 280 for hunting. Bear claws, partitions, accubonds....great load.
I love my Ruger M77 .280 Rem. It's taken too many deer to count. I'm going all copper and trying the Nosler E-tip this year with it. Best of luck to everybody going afield this season.
Dakota is now Park West. I'm sure you could get .280 built. From what I've heard, most, if not all, of the people that worked for Dakota are still there.
Was hoping someone would point this out! They have an incredible team and are producing the same incredible, custom firearms they were before, albeit under different model names. The team is mostly the same and maintain their incredible reputation. It was Remington’s loss!
@@KenRen-hw8uv Ron Spomer, of Ron Spomer Outdoors, recently had an SD10 built in 7x57 Mauser. Beautiful rifle! I'm trying to decide which cartridge I want mine chambered in. Since I'll never be able to afford one, I have plenty of time to make up my mind🤣
280 REM is a favorite of mine, shot many deer with it. I’ve always reloaded for it, will deer know the difference between 270 Win. and the 280 Rem. I don’t think so. The advantage of the 280 is you can load up to 175 gr. bullets.
I own a Ruger 77 MK/II with a Pac Nor stainless barrel chambered in 280 Remington. It is a great deer rifle! Load to appropriate chamber pressure (65K) and it does just as well as the 270 Win and 30-06.
First coyote I ever killed as a kid was with a browning bar in 280. I was deer hunting with my uncle and had never killed anything other than small game. So the old 280 will always be a special cartridge for me even though I don’t own one now.
I also have a Browning bar in .280 they're rare, hardly ever seen
I guess I'll show my age. My favorite rifle cartridges are .243 Win, 300 H&H mag, and the .280 Rem
Nailed it on this one I got a 280 rem A-bolt best gun ever so underrated
My personal favorite deer hunting cartridge and I’ve used a lot. Way underrated.
I know y'all have said in the past that these are supposed to be 10 minutes bc people listen to them on their commute. My commute is about 35 minutes so this is perfect!
Yes lead balloon did float iirc. 280 is one of my favorite, handloader favorite over 270 imo. But some folk don't even know the 280 exists.
Remington 700 Classic in 280 Remington was my old South Dakota, East river whitetail rifle…still have it, like the rifle and the cartridge. Lead balloon.
I have a 280AI. When I needed to form fire some brass, I decided to use 280 load data with some factory seconds I have. With a max 280 load, I was shocked at how much room there was for more powder. I could not help but think they were idiots not to use the case to anywhere near its full capacity.
Myth busters most definitely made a lead balloon float, and Adam has a good story on it on his channel. Ended up having to go to a couple different rolling companies to get the spec they needed, and because it kept breaking their machines. Will leave out one of the cooler parts, but it most definitely happened
My Remington 700 mountain rifle .280 is the best deer rifle that I’ve ever owned. Bought it in the mid 90’s and still haven’t found bullets for it!
As Ryan knows from our chat at Sheep Show, I love my 280. Of 60 + animals half have fallen to 06 and over one third to the 280. Longest shots on animals are with 280. Elk, deer , sheep and antelope. Since I have the 280, I see no need for an AI. Probably different if I didn't have a 280 that shoots
Love the podcast and all the lead balloons you’ve covered. Question: if you had to choose one lead balloon cartridge to do all your hunting with from now on, what would you choose, and why?
I have been hunting with a 280 Remington for a little over 20 years. Taken many deer and hogs. Three hogs just a few weeks ago. I have tried bullets from 120 grains to 162 grains. Just recently tried the Barnes 145 LRX because of Ryan touting Barnes bullets. Everything he has said about them is true.
My first custom built on pre 64 action and kept the factory ultra light stock. The gunsmith recommended 280 instead of 264 win mag(my first choice).I had just started hand loading and he insisted it would be easier handload . Built many other customs but my “go to” is always the 280. If I had to have only one …. It’s the 280
First hunting rifle I remember in my family was a Remington 742 in .280. It is on the wall now, but just got myself another Remington 740 in .280 I will be hunting with this year!! Enjoy some .280 love!
Where do you find bullets ?
@ locally in my area of WI, Fleet Farm has had a small stock lately.
Had a TC Encore in .280 rem. Awesome rifle that I regret letting go.
Great one guys. I really need to give the 280AI a try.
Jim and Mark digging on one another is really quite entertaining
I own a 280 Rem, I love it. Remington messed it up by loading for auto loading and pump action rifles. The name changes didn't help. I think if it had a faster twist than what most have/ had, it would still be popular.
Surprised there was no mention of the rifles the 280 was originally chambered in and how that held the cartridge back from its full potential in factory loadings.
Rem 740/742/760.
Weatherby Mark V 6 lug in 280 - I want to like it so bad because the rifle handles so well. With factory options it just doesn’t do much that my 7mm-08’s do and you’re way more limited with factory ammo. My understanding is O’Connor’s rifle in 280 never saw the field, it was at his gunsmith for his custom stock fitting when he passed away.
For many years Shotgun News advertised Winchester Featherweight rifles in 280 Remington, at an attractive price. How I wanted one! But it was just too much $$ when shipping, tax, and gun store fees were involved. I ended up with an Interarms Mark X in 30-06, sold at half price from a sporting goods store that was going out of business (great choice, it shot 5/8-in groups at 100 yds)..
I thought the 280 Rem was, on paper, an excellent choice. I'm sure I could handload it to be accurate and hard-hitting, just like my 30-06. But at that time I was on a tight budget, and couldn't justify it.
I recall the words of a gun writer who has now gone to the great shooting range in the sky. When asked "Where are the all-around rifles?" his replay was "There are plenty of all-around rifles. Where are the all-around hunters?"
And I would say there are plenty of excellent calibers out there, chambered in excellent rifles. The 280 Remington is one of them. Anyone who has one is, I'm sure, happy with it.
The episode of Mythbusters did happen, just about as Ryan describes. Season 6, episode 2.
I still like my 280 Remington 700 mountain rifle. Never lost an animal. 140 gr Sierra SBT. WB
You guys (Ryan) brought up the 327 Fed magnum. A great revolver round! Before it was a couple very successful 32 caliber rounds, then the Federal magnum made the best 32 caliber. Fits 6 rounds into the size of a 5 round 38 caliber cylinder. I love the 327 Federal, as well as the 41 magnum. Though a couple of my favorite revolvers are a 357 magnum and a 44 magnum. But my two favorite revolver calibers are the 327 mag and 41 mag. Thanks for another popular lead balloon caliber talks, the alluring 280 Remington.
Compare the 280 AI and 280 Remington at the same chamber pressure and there is a smaller difference between the two.
This is very true.
This is my favorite cartridge. Been shooting and reloading it for a very long time. Also the the 280ai.
I have a Remington 280 game master 1953. I have never had to track anything that has been in its site. I use a 165 gr extended range Use it on Michigan deer and elk. Fantastic rifle.
Love Ryan knowing about the Muthbusters flying a lead balloon!!! Was about to "akshully" you guys when he brought it up.
My dad has an H&R/NEF handi rifle in 280 Rem. Both him and I have taken several deer with it, and he recently passed it down for my son to grow into
I want a cartridge talk/lead balloon on the 7 SAUM. Maybe the greatest cartridge that never got off the ground commercially
You guys didn't even mention why the .280 never took off, the Remington 742 that was the first rifle released in .280. The cartridge was too powerful for the rifle, so they loaded the cartridge weaker than it was spec-ed at instead of improving the metallurgy in the semi-auto 742 receivers. That's what killed the .280.
Thank you! I was wondering when they would bring this up and it never happened.
Still hunt with a 280 Rem...great round. Easy to shoot, easy to load for. Mine is a M77 tang saftey.
My first 280rem is a 742 Remington i bought in 1988 and in 1998 i had a custom 280 built on a Ruger 77 action.
I think it would have been successful if they'd have named it the 7mm-06. Then they'd have had the 7mm-08, 7mm-06, and 7mm Mag.
Of course it'd been great if Remington had commercialized the 338-06, instead of A-square, so there'd have been rifles and ammunitionfor it.
Should have named it 28-06,
I'd like to see a match up between 350 legend vs 360 buckhammer and also the 400 legend vs the 450 bushmaster to see what my next rifle caliber for straight walled states
Would love to hear a 10 minute conversation on the 300 savage ! Love all the content you guys cover
I really want to hear an episode of Ryan just absolutely nerding out over the Sherman wildcat cartridges.
I have a Remington 700 ADL in 280 and love it . I think something that didn't help the 280 was it was first offered in the Remington 740 . While a good gun in their own right but not known for being tack drivers .
Several 20th century gun magazine writers explained that Remington had throttled back slightly on the .280 Remington’s SAAMI spec pressure to make the round less challenging to the actions of their Model 740 / Model 742 / Model Four / Model 7400 auto loaders. The implication was that users of modern bolt action rifles could safely load .280 Remington a bit hotter.
My dad had a .280 pump he used for white tail hunting in New Hampshire. I remember him saying it had a good kick to it.
280 in Remington 7600. Great deer and black bear combination.
Could y’all do a 10 minute talk or full podcast evaluating all the new “modernized” heavy for caliber cartridges (ARCs, Creedmoors, PRCs, 6.8 Western, etc) and pick your favorites? Say if you could only have 3? Or 2? Or 1? Which selection would y’all pick?
I've got a Fuller custom 98 Mauser in .280 Rem. Fuller was a well known gun smith in Cooper Landing, Alaska. It's a fine shooting rifle.
We are getting spoiled, so many cartridge talks in such little time!
Please do the 35 rem. Or for that matter the Remington autoloading rifle and its cartridges.
My go to cartridge for everything! Have it in bolt, semi and pump guns.
They did make a lead balloon and float it in the air. It was huge.
This was the comment I was looking for before I addressed the lead balloon in the room. Great show. If I remember right, the theory was that as the ballon got larger, the volume increased faster than the surface area, and thus you had more buoyancy from the helium to support the weight from the lead.
I remember that Adam said in a Tested video that it took them a long time to actually get lead thin enough. Think they had talked to a company in the US and after a while that fell through. So they had to go with a company based out of Germany. Either way, ultra thin, used a lot of tape because of how thin the material was. But they did in fact make a floating lead balloon.
A family friend let me borrow an h and r single shot in .280 years ago. Very accurate rifle. Took a few deer with it, very good results.
I put 324,500 miles on a 1976 Datsun 280z, drove to California and back, loved that car. Actually it's a 27-03.
I'd love to hear what Ryan thinks of the 8mm Rem Mag.
I have liked the 280 ever since I first heard of it. With comparable bullets recoil is about the same as ought six. The downrange ballistics are much better. Compared with the 270 if you use the same weights you gain a bit of velocity. The 280 can use heavier bullets.
I finally got one about 20 years ago. A Remington 725 made in 1963. Came with a Leopold 3x9x40 gold ring scope and a fancy padded sling. Shoots great. Love it.
I as well, vote this a highly under appreciated caliber. Great choice gentlemen.
CAN'T WAIT to SE the upcoming episode on the .358 for us lever gun fellas.
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17:43 SAAMI - Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute
The military was strongly considering the 276 Pedersen when designing the M1 Garand. It was a 7mm cartridge. 7mmx51mm.
And the P13 was chambering a .276 cartridge I believe. The P14 was then chambered in .303 Brit for the same reason the Pederson was dropped for .30-06.
Would love to hear your take on the .35 Rem!