This group to me was such a bust in terms of what was released and also the price tag they launched it at, it has a price tag of a mid level road bike that comes with sram rival 12 speed group for 5400 usd.... and the look of group literally looks like a 1st generation fi2 10 speed.
Laughed so hard when this groupset dropped all over youtube. Campy has always been way behind the others with electronics, even gen1 di2 wasnt that chunky and @2500gm!!! Havent they listened to consumer feedback regarding the paddle size in cold weather especially using thick gloves?? Honestly this entire gruppo looks like something feom Shanghai trade show. They have gone backwards since hydro disc era.
Important: Shifters have no satellite buttons like Shimano di2....meaning that we can't use them to navigate gps units, or change gears when holding on aero position. That's sort of a deal breaker for many people
@Pierre C the “italian putistas” lol. I frankly have nothing against people who want to spend big bucks on flagship stuff because they can and want to. That said, I’ll take the piss at the pretentious riders who think that riding Italian stuff somehow culturally elevates them above others.
I said that about a year ago on a cycling chat group on FB and Europeans wanted to crucify me, but in Miami ppl stay await from campy and I seen mechanic refuse to work on it
Nah man, even in Europe campy is rare. Haven't seen anyone with an electric campy on their bike. But there will always be an idiot who thinks an Italian bike needs an Italian groupset for whatever reason.
The thumb pusher had its place in a mechanical groupset because it was Campagnolo's solution to integrate the brake/shifting mechanism into the levers....For the electronic group, the Sram/Shimano solution is better and more ergonomic, being able to raise and lower gear with 3-4 fingers of the hand...whether it is gripped on the levers above (where you go many times) or in the lower part from the handlebar ... as much as you like to operate from there with the thumb .
I used to use Campy. Their 10 spd ergo groupos were great, beautiful looking and more than you could ever need. If they started making those again they would return to profit. Theres a big market for simpler cheaper rim brake groups.
never have and never will. Campy is a dying old school company that hasnt moved with the times and now its too late. Who in their right mind would pay this much for this average groupset.
ALL the new groupsets and bikes from the big brands are RUBBISH!! IYKYK! Ive got over 60 high end bikes. I live to race and work on race bikes. The new stuff is just garbage. ABSOLUTE JUNK lol! Dont get me started on how much it costs or weighs either.
A lot of the innovations the bike industry is forcing on consumers and the pricing is driving people away. Eventually if this trend keeps up people will only consider comfort bikes for exercise and recreation. The cool factor of being inspired by the Pro racing scene and riding cool bikes like they ride will go out the door, also having the implications that people will no longer even be interested in the sport and spending their money towards it. I used to be Campy only fanboy until I went electronic. I was waiting for Campagnolo to come out with something electronic in line with Ultegra Di2 pricing and thought about converting back. But with this release, I will never own Campagnolo again. Cycling Weekly said they were very disappointed in the performance of this group and I would bet that is the very same reason the Pro Teams that were using Campagnolo switched to Shimano. If this is what Patents do to innovation then maybe there needs to be another way because there are such limited ways to shift gears on a bicycle.
Campy used to maintain it's loyal user base with thumb shifter, for the people who like thumb shifter Campy is the one to go. But they losing sales in newer cyclist. Almost 10/10 cyclist around me age group 20-30 think campy design is outdated and thumb shifter is ugly. Now they remove the thumb shifter trying to compete with SRAM and Shimano but at the same time putting a much higher price tag gonna be a huge problem. There is definitely nothing to justify why you should go for SR wireless instead of RED or DURA-ACE. I just don't think the name "Campagnolo" is worth that much anymore in 2023.
I can't believe that Campagnolo is doing the same mistake as SRAM with small front chainrings. $5000 groupset and you can't get "pro-level" chainrings? LOL who is this for?
Campagnolo really wanted to have the most expensive groupset no matter what. Which is kinda awkward when it's mostly just a Sram copy, just not as good. I am so fed up with ultra premium products with absurd pricetags, I'd rather have something reasonably priced and I'm glad most people think the same by now. Otherwise, I think it's pretty good, actually. Really lightweight compared to Sram. I think gear ratios are also fine, if I lived somewhere hilly I'd love the 45-29 crankset :D they need some wider range cassettes though.
@@LifeCycle1978 patents, makes sense. I also imagine, what with their history, they might throw the book out and try to do something really forward looking rather than half baked. Maybe it’s in the plan to underwhelm given the current competition. SRAM seems to be trying some new things and Shimano is trying to optimize some accounting marketing algorithm rather than address the needs of real riders.
Don't hate cuz you're not a dentist/lawyer/venture capitalist and can't afford it 😛 Joking aside, I've never liked the "bulk" of the electronic groupsets. Mechanical 11 speed Super Record is pretty much gonna be the best looking groupset from here on out. I like to see the glossy carbon weave vs the newer carbon they're using.
I think you are spot on. But I am waiting to see the feedback from riders that have actually tried it. I hope the people working in campy is not stupid enough to release a groupset with absolutely no selling point lol
Campagnolo was once the king of user friendly components---now it's like trying to work on a V12 Lamborghini engine with a starter socket wrench set LOL
I miss the old campy stuff that had the carbon sock. All clear coated and you could see the weave. If i get campy it will be used. Old school campy was beautiful. This is not beautiful. Forget the price, its ugly!
Bro it does not look like 1st Gen Di2 Rear Mech SS that doesn't even have a battery on it. Plus the battery was hidden usually under the BB. This does and looks MASSIVE on the rear and front mech.
I'm older and wiser these days. I wish someone had dropped this wisdom-bomb on me back when I was young. If you aren't getting paid to ride, you don't need the top-o-the-line equipment. The best of the best of the best equipment can only ever save you seconds on the hour (at best). So if you aren't withing 'seconds' of winning whatever you are competing in, it's wasted money. Let's look at real life example. The Rocky Mountain elements comes in several 'grades'. Let's look at the C50 vs the C90. There is a $4,000 difference in prices. Near as I can tell, you will save 2lbs with the C90. Otherwise the bike will ride virtually the same. Why spend the extra $4,000?!?!? You shouldn't. You'll have the exact same amount of fun, and get the exact same results on the less expensive bike. - I had been riding campi on my main road bike for over 20 years. Wonderful components. Was super disappointed by new road bike wasn't campi. That said, no way I'd pay $5.5k for the groupset these days...
Not aimed at ultra cyclists: 750 km battery limit, is seriously limiting. I don’t get a 10 teeth cog either as the gear jumps increase, making a practically unusable gear on the flat, only for downhill and maybe sprinting in a bunch. So, overall, it doesn’t add meaningful features not already tried & done by SRAM or Shimano, it introduces features from said groupsets, which those already back-tracked, has limited gearing & tire options and it’s not backwards compatible like most tech usually is. However wel constructed it might seem, this isn’t what innovation is about and it looses its iconic looks to boot.
While I don't like 10T cog, that gear is very usable together with the smaller front rings. With regards to battery life: if you're an ultra cyclist, just stay away from electronic anyway. And 750K is what most would consider enough to charge max. once a week, while you're pumping your tires anyway. The trap with longer lasting batteries is that you often forget to charge them as they will last close to a month, so you forget more easily to charge them.
@@l.d.t.6327 the jumps between gears are still bigger then when using more teeth, the chain has to bend less, which is more efficient, & if you forget to charge, you will need to wait half an hour before you can start your ride, while pumping up your tires is instantaneous.
@@ivarbrouwer197 It charges 90% in 45 minutes which is much better than anything Shimano and SRAM. With regards to 10T: I'm not a fan, but this isn't a Campa thing. SRAM started it.
I am confused about the swappable batteries issue, having swappable batteries are all over the home power tool market there is no way that it is simple as "it is patented whoops we can't do that" My guess is either they are lying or they don't want to do it. It would have been better to turn that into a benefit like offering different tier of battery, like one that lasts an hour for hill climbs, another that is for casuals and another for pro racing and then offer them all in the absurd price point package. But no, instead we have to settle on what is the most outrageous limitation.
First off.....Italian manufacturing and electrical reliability don't go together. On a serious note though, the front and rear derailleur batteries are different. That's ridiculous IMO. The best part of SRAM AXS is that if either the rear or front battery fail on a ride, you can simply swap them...maybe even carry just one spare. With Campy, you couldn't swap the front battery into the rear derailleur if that one fails and you'd have to carry 2 separate and distinct backup batteries. Campy missed the mark massively on this.
Hi guys! Nice video and I like the fact it is an opinion. My take: capagnalo has been around for a long time and the craftsmanship is by far top notch. Keep in mind campy is one of the leading companies when it comes adding carbon to the drive train system. I do believe change is sometimes scary for us and for those who has seem campy for a long time! Keep in mind that campy is hand made in Italy and the craftsmanship is from serious engineering. I do agree the derailleur might be big but let’s see the performance. As you all know if you have own campy ( I have for 18+years) and shimano campy has to my opinion outperform shimano. Note; I have own super record and record. In regard to not been compatible, you can say the same for SRAM between AXS XX1 and the new sram t-type. To end, if you are a competitive cyclist, you will never run a tire larger than a 30mm rear tire. Also, I know it is hard to drop 5k but this is for the few! The select. I would buy 3 sets but now I am retired from cycling 😊. Only time will tell but sometimes change is good (or bad) 😊.
45/29 crank but can’t run a 35mm tire. Makes no sense, gravel is the only hope for that gearing. Shame because even record and chorus versions of this will break the bank. I think to have any chance on the market they should of done 13 speed.
So sad. My Campy Centaur 10 sp from 2008 still works perfectly on my older steel Bianchi and the whole group cost me $800 at the time. How far we have fallen.
I predict Campy will be announcing they are going out of business. This garbage is not going to sell enough to pay for the R&D expenses let alone the marketing and all the other costs bringing this thing to market. As the heritage goes Campy will always be remembered for great products but if they can't bring something to the table that people want then they need to go.
yea I mean it was kind of a crap show for them at the tour as well, they have this new product launch and they only have one team on there..... the product looks horrible
Man I can run 50/34 cranks with 11-36 10 speed cassette using a 9 speed derailleur. Buttery smooth shifting with shimano 105 shifters. I keep seeing these price tags from Shimano, SRAM, campag and it is sad the direction the bike industry is heading. And I know you have to sell bikes but you must notice that your clientele is starting to shrink due to the rising costs. They are making cycling a niche for the well off and forgetting your regular consumer.
This rant is so hilarious i can't. I mean there must have been at least ONE person over at Campa who must've tried to intervent in the developing process of this groupset and tell everyone that it's absolutely retarded lmao
Come on don’t mince your words, do you like the aesthetics or not 🤭. I’ve been using Campagnolo, record or super record, on my bikes since 1987. Last groupset Record 12 mechanical. I will absolutely not be buying this iteration, that’s for sure!
Campy could have licensed the interchangeable batteries from SRAM. But it looks like they don’t want to pay. Shimano licensed the Look Keo cleat design when they released their SPD-SL pedal. So it’s not like this never happened before.
I'm definitely a Campagnolo fan, but I have to agree with you, that's one ugly group set. Definitely wouldn't shell out that kinda money for a group set period, let alone when it isn't even aesthetically pleasing, and as you said, Campy is essentially jewelry for your bicycle.
You are spot on GC! What in the HELL is that monstrosity?? It is absolutely HUGE! So so very ugly, expensive, stupid new hoods and expensive as HELL. NO NO NO NO. Never in a million years would I buy this group. Never.
Seems like campy have totally misread the market and come out with a product that only the biggest fans are gonna maybe want. casette sizes and chainrings seem od fashioned and totally behind the latest trends in 12 speed
I hate Italian goods because they are always more expensive. Expensive doesn't make it good or better. I'm going to quit eating anything with spaghetti sauce now too. That shit gives me bad heartburn.
the reason they sell that groupset at that price is to make up for the salary they wasted on the engineers that designed it. they already fired them though.
I’m sorry, to call Campy “jewelry” is laughable. Come on man! Black on black on grey on more black and black black black BLACK is not even remotely interesting to look at. I’ll bet it’s fantastic. But it is not art.
Diehard Campy guy. Glad I got a mechanical Record 12 groupo last year for reasonable money. Why no 13 or 14 speed? Why no 53/39? I ride AXS on my mtb’s but a road bike has an beauty about it that can’t be described. Give me mechanical rim brakes and no batteries on my road bike all day long. Disc brakes are ugly, batteries on a road bike are ugly, and this Super Record is just gross looking. No thumb shifting…why? Hey Campy you will never get Shimano or SRAM guys to switch so why ditch the thumb shifter?????????
you compare in aesthetics to the DA of 14 years ago that this SR 2023.....the DA is not uglier...even the DA does not look worse than the last version EPS 11
Sure Campy knows there are loads of people who are willing to spend more than $10K - 15K for a bike nowadays. Everyone has truck load of money, what else?
This group to me was such a bust in terms of what was released and also the price tag they launched it at, it has a price tag of a mid level road bike that comes with sram rival 12 speed group for 5400 usd.... and the look of group literally looks like a 1st generation fi2 10 speed.
Laughed so hard when this groupset dropped all over youtube. Campy has always been way behind the others with electronics, even gen1 di2 wasnt that chunky and @2500gm!!! Havent they listened to consumer feedback regarding the paddle size in cold weather especially using thick gloves?? Honestly this entire gruppo looks like something feom Shanghai trade show. They have gone backwards since hydro disc era.
Important: Shifters have no satellite buttons like Shimano di2....meaning that we can't use them to navigate gps units, or change gears when holding on aero position. That's sort of a deal breaker for many people
and their classic protruding upshift button (harder gear) is gone, even if I can afford it I wouldn't buy it
@Pierre C the “italian putistas” lol.
I frankly have nothing against people who want to spend big bucks on flagship stuff because they can and want to. That said, I’ll take the piss at the pretentious riders who think that riding Italian stuff somehow culturally elevates them above others.
Shimano Durace 7800 groupset 2073grams.
Looks like they are trying to give L-Twoo a run for their money. 😐
that would definitely prove Campy has hit bottom low, competing with L-Twoon?
Lol
The End of Campagnolo 💩
To be fair, you could buy like 10 L-Twoo groupsets for this kind of money
😂😂😂 it does look similar AND L-T came out first
It is sad to see Campy in such decline. The rear derailleur looks like it was cobbled from of a bar of soap.
Dura ace istn 4k anymore, you can get it for 2.8k
So its even more outrageous campy puts on such a price tag
Strange, especially since Italian bikes tend to have the most beautiful designs and color schemes.
And they tend not to have some of the best mechanical designs.
😂😂😂monster derailer
This is the beginning of the end for Campy groupsets.
I said that about a year ago on a cycling chat group on FB and Europeans wanted to crucify me, but in Miami ppl stay await from campy and I seen mechanic refuse to work on it
They started to go down with their hydro disc group
Nah man, even in Europe campy is rare. Haven't seen anyone with an electric campy on their bike. But there will always be an idiot who thinks an Italian bike needs an Italian groupset for whatever reason.
Campy dropped the Thumbs; I raise the middle finger!
The thumb pusher had its place in a mechanical groupset because it was Campagnolo's solution to integrate the brake/shifting mechanism into the levers....For the electronic group, the Sram/Shimano solution is better and more ergonomic, being able to raise and lower gear with 3-4 fingers of the hand...whether it is gripped on the levers above (where you go many times) or in the lower part from the handlebar ... as much as you like to operate from there with the thumb
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I used to use Campy. Their 10 spd ergo groupos were great, beautiful looking and more than you could ever need. If they started making those again they would return to profit. Theres a big market for simpler cheaper rim brake groups.
Sexiest groupset that came out, their chain was its downfall. I replaced it with a Wipperman 10 speed that had the quick release link.
KMC makes quick links that work with Campy 10 speed chains
I see Cannondale is not the only bike company still living under lockdown.
never have and never will. Campy is a dying old school company that hasnt moved with the times and now its too late. Who in their right mind would pay this much for this average groupset.
GCN gave that such excellent reviews. Not surprised. They will eat shyte for the money!
That’s their job
@@stanislavkindiakov6334 lying?
@@savagepro9060 it’s not a lie in literal meaning. It is advertisement
@@stanislavkindiakov6334 advertisement are usually lies
@@savagepro9060 there is a super thin line, till some one can sue you
ALL the new groupsets and bikes from the big brands are RUBBISH!! IYKYK!
Ive got over 60 high end bikes. I live to race and work on race bikes. The new stuff is just garbage. ABSOLUTE JUNK lol!
Dont get me started on how much it costs or weighs either.
I know I know, your stance on the situation mr. durianrider....... trust me
Think they can outprice their bad sales numbers by becoming even more niche?
A lot of the innovations the bike industry is forcing on consumers and the pricing is driving people away. Eventually if this trend keeps up people will only consider comfort bikes for exercise and recreation. The cool factor of being inspired by the Pro racing scene and riding cool bikes like they ride will go out the door, also having the implications that people will no longer even be interested in the sport and spending their money towards it. I used to be Campy only fanboy until I went electronic. I was waiting for Campagnolo to come out with something electronic in line with Ultegra Di2 pricing and thought about converting back. But with this release, I will never own Campagnolo again. Cycling Weekly said they were very disappointed in the performance of this group and I would bet that is the very same reason the Pro Teams that were using Campagnolo switched to Shimano. If this is what Patents do to innovation then maybe there needs to be another way because there are such limited ways to shift gears on a bicycle.
China manufacturers will take over just wait n see :)
Campy used to maintain it's loyal user base with thumb shifter, for the people who like thumb shifter Campy is the one to go. But they losing sales in newer cyclist. Almost 10/10 cyclist around me age group 20-30 think campy design is outdated and thumb shifter is ugly. Now they remove the thumb shifter trying to compete with SRAM and Shimano but at the same time putting a much higher price tag gonna be a huge problem. There is definitely nothing to justify why you should go for SR wireless instead of RED or DURA-ACE. I just don't think the name "Campagnolo" is worth that much anymore in 2023.
This is a nail in their coffin, what an epic fumble
It is:
-big and fugly
-overpriced
-overcomplicated
-doesn’t make any sense
kinda like 99.9% of deluded women on TINDER...just with a mountain of debt.
I can't believe that Campagnolo is doing the same mistake as SRAM with small front chainrings. $5000 groupset and you can't get "pro-level" chainrings? LOL who is this for?
They should have just stuck to mechanical and they could have supported the rim brake... A way to keep cycling traditional.
Campagnolo really wanted to have the most expensive groupset no matter what. Which is kinda awkward when it's mostly just a Sram copy, just not as good. I am so fed up with ultra premium products with absurd pricetags, I'd rather have something reasonably priced and I'm glad most people think the same by now. Otherwise, I think it's pretty good, actually. Really lightweight compared to Sram. I think gear ratios are also fine, if I lived somewhere hilly I'd love the 45-29 crankset :D they need some wider range cassettes though.
It's miles ahead SRAM in shifting speed, but how would you know as you've never tried one, let alone seen one in the wild.
Seems like they are doing this reluctantly and half assed which accounts for the weird design choices. It’s almost like a protest groupset.
A lot of is patent restrictions. Don’t get me wrong, it looks like garbage but there was only so much they could do.
@@LifeCycle1978 patents, makes sense. I also imagine, what with their history, they might throw the book out and try to do something really forward looking rather than half baked. Maybe it’s in the plan to underwhelm given the current competition. SRAM seems to be trying some new things and Shimano is trying to optimize some accounting marketing algorithm rather than address the needs of real riders.
Don't hate cuz you're not a dentist/lawyer/venture capitalist and can't afford it 😛
Joking aside, I've never liked the "bulk" of the electronic groupsets. Mechanical 11 speed Super Record is pretty much gonna be the best looking groupset from here on out. I like to see the glossy carbon weave vs the newer carbon they're using.
I been riding Shimano for over a decade and still see it as the best.
Thats not a rear derailleur. Its a box for tools, tubes, and snacks!
l have a whole carbon superbike elves falath pro disc, elitewheels, 11s ultegra Di2 for that money
Totally agree with you GC. The Group set is way too ugly and way too expensive. You can buy a motor cycle for the price of some of these bike builds.
That's insane. They should've found a way to make it competitive. SRAM will release new wireless for the road, and this will be left in the dust.
Wireless is ridiculous trash
Imagine, in a group ride, you crash because of the turbulence created by the massive shifters of the "super record" driving in front of you. 🤣
I think you are spot on. But I am waiting to see the feedback from riders that have actually tried it. I hope the people working in campy is not stupid enough to release a groupset with absolutely no selling point lol
They say the wireless tech will trickle down to Record and Chorus soon but yeah that rear mech is not a looker.
Super ugly, super expensive, super un-Campy. Super hard pass.
Campagnolo was once the king of user friendly components---now it's like trying to work on a V12 Lamborghini engine with a starter socket wrench set LOL
Ouch. Campy just face planted. Full scorpion.
Do not insult Shimano. Di2 first edition was never ugly. It's even cuter than Campy Record Crap!
gc you got me laughing the whole video hahaha, i agree with u it made me mad
:))
I miss the old campy stuff that had the carbon sock. All clear coated and you could see the weave. If i get campy it will be used. Old school campy was beautiful. This is not beautiful. Forget the price, its ugly!
10 and 11 are almost useless I personally made my on personal cassette from 12 up to 30 and add the 16 and I run 53 39
These big names are going in the wrong direction for price point.
yeah, price point is up the rectum
I just bougt the groupset for €3600 so the price you call is the max price. Its a legend brand and have more charisma than shitmano
Market is open for an alternative groupset manufacturer. Does anyone know potential candidates?
The name that started and lead it all, is now following! Tullio Campagnolo is SHIFTING in his grave!
I will not even buy that group set at all to overpriced big time..and it does not even have a 39-53 chainring on it..
am i the only one that just wants affordable 12x2 mechanical shifting?
Bro it does not look like 1st Gen Di2 Rear Mech SS that doesn't even have a battery on it. Plus the battery was hidden usually under the BB. This does and looks MASSIVE on the rear and front mech.
Then don't buy it? They can release a million dollar groupset, does not matter.
I'm older and wiser these days. I wish someone had dropped this wisdom-bomb on me back when I was young. If you aren't getting paid to ride, you don't need the top-o-the-line equipment. The best of the best of the best equipment can only ever save you seconds on the hour (at best). So if you aren't withing 'seconds' of winning whatever you are competing in, it's wasted money. Let's look at real life example. The Rocky Mountain elements comes in several 'grades'. Let's look at the C50 vs the C90. There is a $4,000 difference in prices. Near as I can tell, you will save 2lbs with the C90. Otherwise the bike will ride virtually the same. Why spend the extra $4,000?!?!? You shouldn't. You'll have the exact same amount of fun, and get the exact same results on the less expensive bike.
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I had been riding campi on my main road bike for over 20 years. Wonderful components. Was super disappointed by new road bike wasn't campi. That said, no way I'd pay $5.5k for the groupset these days...
Do not apologize for bashing a shitty overpriced product.
Not aimed at ultra cyclists: 750 km battery limit, is seriously limiting. I don’t get a 10 teeth cog either as the gear jumps increase, making a practically unusable gear on the flat, only for downhill and maybe sprinting in a bunch. So, overall, it doesn’t add meaningful features not already tried & done by SRAM or Shimano, it introduces features from said groupsets, which those already back-tracked, has limited gearing & tire options and it’s not backwards compatible like most tech usually is.
However wel constructed it might seem, this isn’t what innovation is about and it looses its iconic looks to boot.
750km battery life ? This thing seems like a loss on every front. That seems pretty damn low, I swear I rarely charge my DA 9230
Di2 is 1000
While I don't like 10T cog, that gear is very usable together with the smaller front rings. With regards to battery life: if you're an ultra cyclist, just stay away from electronic anyway. And 750K is what most would consider enough to charge max. once a week, while you're pumping your tires anyway. The trap with longer lasting batteries is that you often forget to charge them as they will last close to a month, so you forget more easily to charge them.
@@l.d.t.6327 the jumps between gears are still bigger then when using more teeth, the chain has to bend less, which is more efficient, & if you forget to charge, you will need to wait half an hour before you can start your ride, while pumping up your tires is instantaneous.
@@ivarbrouwer197 It charges 90% in 45 minutes which is much better than anything Shimano and SRAM. With regards to 10T: I'm not a fan, but this isn't a Campa thing. SRAM started it.
it's so expensive I can't even imagine wanting it even if i could afford it. I would just feel silly riding it
I am confused about the swappable batteries issue, having swappable batteries are all over the home power tool market there is no way that it is simple as "it is patented whoops we can't do that" My guess is either they are lying or they don't want to do it.
It would have been better to turn that into a benefit like offering different tier of battery, like one that lasts an hour for hill climbs, another that is for casuals and another for pro racing and then offer them all in the absurd price point package. But no, instead we have to settle on what is the most outrageous limitation.
"Let's make it ugly AF and price it so that we never have to make this sh*t."
First off.....Italian manufacturing and electrical reliability don't go together. On a serious note though, the front and rear derailleur batteries are different. That's ridiculous IMO. The best part of SRAM AXS is that if either the rear or front battery fail on a ride, you can simply swap them...maybe even carry just one spare. With Campy, you couldn't swap the front battery into the rear derailleur if that one fails and you'd have to carry 2 separate and distinct backup batteries. Campy missed the mark massively on this.
They had to make unique batteries to get around the SRAM patent of using common batteries between the two.
Forget this group, I'll stick with Shimano.
Hi guys! Nice video and I like the fact it is an opinion. My take: capagnalo has been around for a long time and the craftsmanship is by far top notch. Keep in mind campy is one of the leading companies when it comes adding carbon to the drive train system. I do believe change is sometimes scary for us and for those who has seem campy for a long time! Keep in mind that campy is hand made in Italy and the craftsmanship is from serious engineering. I do agree the derailleur might be big but let’s see the performance. As you all know if you have own campy ( I have for 18+years) and shimano campy has to my opinion outperform shimano. Note; I have own super record and record. In regard to not been compatible, you can say the same for SRAM between AXS XX1 and the new sram t-type. To end, if you are a competitive cyclist, you will never run a tire larger than a 30mm rear tire. Also, I know it is hard to drop 5k but this is for the few! The select. I would buy 3 sets but now I am retired from cycling 😊. Only time will tell but sometimes change is good (or bad) 😊.
Campy "We now do a 45/29 for the gravel riders"!
Also Campy "Tyre size limit on your gravel bike is now reduced to 34c"
Love campy but this is just kinda sad
45/29 crank but can’t run a 35mm tire. Makes no sense, gravel is the only hope for that gearing.
Shame because even record and chorus versions of this will break the bank.
I think to have any chance on the market they should of done 13 speed.
I knwo this is crazy regulations for these geearings
So sad. My Campy Centaur 10 sp from 2008 still works perfectly on my older steel Bianchi and the whole group cost me $800 at the time. How far we have fallen.
Changing to chinese groupsets after current mechanical 105's- DA's no longer available.
I have one coming
Wow that very cheap for whole group-set , very nice
Campy won't exist in 5 years if this is their top tier Bloopset.
I predict Campy will be announcing they are going out of business. This garbage is not going to sell enough to pay for the R&D expenses let alone the marketing and all the other costs bringing this thing to market. As the heritage goes Campy will always be remembered for great products but if they can't bring something to the table that people want then they need to go.
yea I mean it was kind of a crap show for them at the tour as well, they have this new product launch and they only have one team on there..... the product looks horrible
I think it's beautiful but price is ugly for me
Man I can run 50/34 cranks with 11-36 10 speed cassette using a 9 speed derailleur. Buttery smooth shifting with shimano 105 shifters. I keep seeing these price tags from Shimano, SRAM, campag and it is sad the direction the bike industry is heading. And I know you have to sell bikes but you must notice that your clientele is starting to shrink due to the rising costs. They are making cycling a niche for the well off and forgetting your regular consumer.
These patents are going out of hand. It forced such a great company to fuck its rear derailleur.
Yea it really is shit to be honest
This rant is so hilarious i can't. I mean there must have been at least ONE person over at Campa who must've tried to intervent in the developing process of this groupset and tell everyone that it's absolutely retarded lmao
this monstrosity of a groupset makes Shimano 11sp electronic groupset look like a dream....
This is insane. I can order a DA 9270 for $2400 and have it here in 3 days.
yea I have been seeing shimano groups for mad cheap everywhere
Truth...thanks for the realistic reaction instead of all the coo'ing and hand clapping from the major media.
Come on don’t mince your words, do you like the aesthetics or not 🤭. I’ve been using Campagnolo, record or super record, on my bikes since 1987. Last groupset Record 12 mechanical. I will absolutely not be buying this iteration, that’s for sure!
Campy could have licensed the interchangeable batteries from SRAM. But it looks like they don’t want to pay.
Shimano licensed the Look Keo cleat design when they released their SPD-SL pedal. So it’s not like this never happened before.
Hey Grant, I wonder, would you be willing to try and order an L-twoo groupset again, now that it's available on Panda Podium?
I got a surprise, I ordered one soon coming I.
@@GCPerformance18 Awesome, thank you! I really look forward to that!
Sooooo, I guess he is not impressed….😂🎉😅
lmoa
So after going through all the reviews today. This is not well accepted across the board
lol what?
@GC Performance The new Campi group set. David Author kinda likes it but no one else
Lmaoooooo I thought sram front derailleur was ugly 😂
I know right? This groupset makes SRAM eTap AXS derailleurs look less chunky. The battery size is a joke.
I'm definitely a Campagnolo fan, but I have to agree with you, that's one ugly group set. Definitely wouldn't shell out that kinda money for a group set period, let alone when it isn't even aesthetically pleasing, and as you said, Campy is essentially jewelry for your bicycle.
You are spot on GC! What in the HELL is that monstrosity?? It is absolutely HUGE! So so very ugly, expensive, stupid new hoods and expensive as HELL. NO NO NO NO. Never in a million years would I buy this group. Never.
Seems like campy have totally misread the market and come out with a product that only the biggest fans are gonna maybe want. casette sizes and chainrings seem od fashioned and totally behind the latest trends in 12 speed
I think patents need to be capped at some point. When it gets to this level it just hurts industry development
Campy doubling down on cost while eliminating the things their core customers used to like about them.
The only thing I like is the levers, I think they should have gone semi-wireless and with regular gearing
Dose derailleurs looks like machines from 1987 ROBO-COP movie 🤖🤖
its made in litaly like what do you expect,
I hate Italian goods because they are always more expensive. Expensive doesn't make it good or better. I'm going to quit eating anything with spaghetti sauce now too. That shit gives me bad heartburn.
It’s seriously $5400? Holy F’n Moly, that’s ridiculous! The bike industry has officially lost its mind!
Waiting for the shill 'review' on this monster from @GCN.
It’s like watching the delta brake or Euclid groupset scenario all over again.
Delta brakes going for ridiculous prices, 30 years later.
@@l.d.t.6327 C-Record components for the win! Even 40 years later.
the reason they sell that groupset at that price is to make up for the salary they wasted on the engineers that designed it. they already fired them though.
If you're going to change any product make it better not worst. That's a Fast Track to Bankruptcy
I am a Campy fan never run anything else but but WTF this is so butt ugly.. I am Calling It Campy OS (Orthopedic Shoe)
Looks unfinished to me , like some prototype. Can’t switch the batteries from front to back. No thanks
Funny video Grant👌
My 3x9 hodgepodge of Shimano alivio, Altus, and acera looks better than this. Ekar looks it’s gonna be the last good campy group set.
I’m sorry, to call Campy “jewelry” is laughable. Come on man! Black on black on grey on more black and black black black BLACK is not even remotely interesting to look at. I’ll bet it’s fantastic. But it is not art.
Diehard Campy guy. Glad I got a mechanical Record 12 groupo last year for reasonable money. Why no 13 or 14 speed? Why no 53/39? I ride AXS on my mtb’s but a road bike has an beauty about it that can’t be described. Give me mechanical rim brakes and no batteries on my road bike all day long. Disc brakes are ugly, batteries on a road bike are ugly, and this Super Record is just gross looking. No thumb shifting…why? Hey Campy you will never get Shimano or SRAM guys to switch so why ditch the thumb shifter?????????
Totally agree, i noticed the fugly derailleurs, unacceptable for 5K
Alls Im sayin is... if its that expensive and that fuggo... it better shift like chocolate sexy whiskey.
you compare in aesthetics to the DA of 14 years ago that this SR 2023.....the DA is not uglier...even the DA does not look worse than the last version EPS 11
Psycho pricing!!! Especially from a company that is losing popularity and market share compared to the other big companies. And it’s ugly lol
Ridiculous. You can buy Shimano 105 Di2 in China for 725 USD… Is it 7.5 times better?
Sure Campy knows there are loads of people who are willing to spend more than $10K - 15K for a bike nowadays. Everyone has truck load of money, what else?
Totally ridiculous. They have taken 10 steps in the wrong direction. The regular rider should be the target market for any new component design.