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  • @hananas2
    @hananas2 ปีที่แล้ว +383

    Yup agree with most of this, except the no cables bit. I'd rather turn a barrel adjuster once every now and then than charge batteries which degrade over time and are expensive and proprietary to replace.

    • @beerenmusli8220
      @beerenmusli8220 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yup same, and intentionally routing cables internally rather than hiding them with a cover or within a grove is just such a dickmove.

    • @smithzk
      @smithzk ปีที่แล้ว +15

      100% and if you do any weighted touring, I think you need a front derailleur.

    • @thysonsacclaim
      @thysonsacclaim ปีที่แล้ว +26

      EXACTLY - I also hate that bikes are becoming thing you can't work on yourself. Not everyone is a pro cyclist. We don't need all this crap.

    • @prasad530
      @prasad530 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      SRAM batteries are 60 bucks and last for several years. Welcome to modernity, change isn't always bad.

    • @hananas2
      @hananas2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@prasad530 60 bucks is the price of a normal decent (nothing fancy) rear derailleur...
      "several years" isn't exactly impressive either, I prefer bike stuff to be around for several decades.

  • @akrotiri9634
    @akrotiri9634 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    " Don't fall for the marketing "
    " Ditch the front derailleur "

    • @NoBrakes23
      @NoBrakes23 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Some of us have been begging for viable 1x since the 80s. It isn't marketing when the companies FINALLY started listening to us a decade ago.

    • @Cobalt985
      @Cobalt985 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@NoBrakes23 But 1x isn't objectively superior. It is more expensive and loses gearing range. My main bike is 1x (Deore 10 speed) but I honestly wish it was a 2x because I go to gear up after that top gear more than you'd think.

    • @Urtlesquirt
      @Urtlesquirt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I recently switched from a compact Shimano 105 2x bike to a Sram Axs Xplr groupset which is 1x13. I compared and I'm not actually losing that many gears (especially the ones I care about) due to how they set up the smallest cogs to be quite incremental before bigger tooth gaps in the large cogs. It's been fine on the road - yes I spin out if I am trying to pump out power over 35MPH, but that doesn't really matter to me since I am not racing and can just tuck those descents. The gearing on climbs is actually a bit better with the extended range (despite there being a bigger jump between those cogs). Plus I just really enjoy the simplicity of a single shifter being dedicated to up or down, without worrying about shifting a front mech on more technical trails. I agree that it doesn't make sense yet for most racers as those little tooth gaps do matter in a lot of cases for keeping an ideal cadence on rolling terrain. But we did see quite a bit of 1x usage at Paris Roubaix this year! I doubt Sram would force that on riders if they didn't find it sufficient for the course.

    • @dmrfnk
      @dmrfnk ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cobalt985 It's just the geared rider mentality. I'm having fun with a chill geared single speed road bike in a moderately hilly city. You can do longer/harder peak efforts in the uphills when you at times also get rest when reaching high enough cadence that you'll rather coast.

    • @thethingwithit
      @thethingwithit ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ... just buy a mountain bike(?)

  • @donnashorten3831
    @donnashorten3831 ปีที่แล้ว +451

    I have a lefty fork bike, when you puncture you don’t have to take the wheel off at the front as it’s fully open with having an open fork, thus full access.😊

    • @johndorney7812
      @johndorney7812 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Was gonna say! It is tricky when you do want to take the wheel off though.

    • @alf3071
      @alf3071 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      why don't they make a lefty rear wheel frame

    • @danielrobertson3071
      @danielrobertson3071 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here, it's way easier to remove the tire on a lefty.

    • @chrisallen2005
      @chrisallen2005 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@alf3071 Think long and hard and the answer will come to you. Don't ask.

    • @n0b0dy07
      @n0b0dy07 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So, do you have a lefty but still uses tube tires???

  • @mrx1979ua
    @mrx1979ua ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I not only have a front mech on all my bikes, but actually a tripple. One-by has it's use but it has it's limitations as well

    • @gur262
      @gur262 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm a forgetful person. I like double because if I'm down it goes up n vice versa. No guesswork what the levers gonna do. I wish it just came with one button that switches between the 2.

    • @phililpb
      @phililpb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      the front mech is normally very reliable. gear problems are always with the rear derailleur anyway

    • @halfblood_drag0n
      @halfblood_drag0n 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      dont go for 3x drivetrains, its just a marketing gimmek. any cyclist who knows what their talking about, mountain or road, will tell you the same

    • @mrx1979ua
      @mrx1979ua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That implies, that top manufacturers making tripples really know nothing about bikes, right? LOL@@halfblood_drag0n

  • @aftengdur0
    @aftengdur0 ปีที่แล้ว +568

    Team front mech. Seems to be more versatile when you constantly switch between smooth tarmac roads, gravel roads and woods in one ride.

    • @GordonChaffin
      @GordonChaffin ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I need the gearing range on my 9-speed so I run 46/30 on the front. I could go 1x if I had space for like a 52t rear cassette sprocket

    • @Mike-de7wv
      @Mike-de7wv ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Indeed.. was totally on board until the end. Front mechs and cables; seriously - so everyone should be on 1x with electronic shifting...?
      A hearty "f*ck that" from my bar-end-shifted triple and I!

    • @ltu42
      @ltu42 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@Mike-de7wv Well, it's a mechanic's perspective! He gets to work on other people's bikes and hates when they come back for that half turn of the barrel adjuster once the cables settle in. I like maintaining my bike and I just love that feeling when everything just works perfectly after I've dialed it in.

    • @attila_the_fun
      @attila_the_fun ปีที่แล้ว +15

      2x10 is more versatile even in just urban riding IMO. My daily ride has sections where 50km/h+ is easily achievable for decent stretches. Flatish sections where it's nice to push along at 35-40km/h. But then parts where you're stuck behind foot traffic on a 10% grade for 50m.

    • @falcoperegrinus82
      @falcoperegrinus82 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup, I do all that plus hills with a bike loaded pretty heavy with my crap

  • @DoNuT_1985
    @DoNuT_1985 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I don't get the hate for front mechs. They are easy to adjust, they don't break and I don't want a 50-tooth cassette so that I can get up a steep hill. The only problem I ever had with my front mech actually was a slipping barrel adjuster - all it needs are a few twists and it is good enough. You shift 100 times more on the rear derailleur and these are a pain to adjust: with wearing cables, chains and other factors, you effectively have a window 45 kilometers per year where it really shifts flawlessly,

    • @jmanswat2457
      @jmanswat2457 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's just nice as a mechanic and shop not to have to deal with them and stock them and have the right ones that are compatible with whatever, and finding an alternative if we don't have yours, etc etc etc. There's enough on a bike that needs servicing so It's nice when there's one system deleted

    • @DoNuT_1985
      @DoNuT_1985 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jmanswat2457 Yeah but that's true for most road bike parts, isn't it? Same goes for rear derailleurs with 3 common groupset tiers from 2 manufacturers (sorry, Campy), different generations, cage length and even color options... I would argue that taking away 2x from a road bike in most regions would impact your riding on every tiny climb - a bit like saying: run your car on all-season tires so that the shop isn't bothered with changing them every season. As a rider/customer, my expectation is that drivetrain parts except from wearing components need to be ordered if I had a failure, anyway.

    • @joelv4495
      @joelv4495 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just bought a new GRX 810 2x group, and the supplier shipped the 1by left shifter by mistake. I have a spare bar-end friction shifter and I'm seriously thinking of running the FD that way. How's that for a mullet build?

    • @peterwillson1355
      @peterwillson1355 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@joelv4495Why WOULDNT you want friction on the fd, especially when it's only two chainrings?

    • @JeremyLawrence-imajez
      @JeremyLawrence-imajez 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jmanswat2457 - except the FD is the part that's about the most fit and forget item on bike. Why should customers compromise their riding, just because lazy mechanics can't be bothered to do their job.

  • @RichCabezaCalamari
    @RichCabezaCalamari 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Just converted my new Specialized Crux from 1x to a 2x. SRAM Force Etap, 46/33 front ring, 10/36 12sp cassette, love it! Using the bike as an endurance road bike, the new gearing is low enough for our 14% stingers, and I can now keep up with the fast roadies downhill. And, smaller tooth jumps between cogs.
    Night and day difference, not going back to the mullet.

  • @steve24550
    @steve24550 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Aside from any debate regarding front mechs, this is for the most part great advice from someone who clearly has a lot of first-hand experience. Much appreciated. Many thanks.

    • @jmanswat2457
      @jmanswat2457 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As mechanics you get to understand that there are two camps for bicycle performance and maintenance- recreational and racing. They each have different goals and come with their own requirements in terms of parts, setup, and cost. Racing is so much more expensive and finicky.

    • @xAudiolith
      @xAudiolith ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jmanswat2457 I definitely agree with you but I would add to both categories a subcategory of wanting to go with trends. A lot of things out there get slapped on to new bikes that get marketed in a way that makes people think they need the newest tech to keep up when in reality the differences are marginal at best. I see this for both racing and recreational.

    • @triggamusician
      @triggamusician ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@xAudiolith yh. I learned that last year. I always rode alloy (2013, middle of the road, Cube endurance bike) until i bought a carbon Cervelo, a bike that the pros used to win the tdf, like 15 yrs ago. But i barely improved on any of my times. I tt'd my way to work probably like 40 times, not even 1 km/h of difference in speed while being 1.5kg lighter. I did my favorite lap of about 75km a few times on both bikes and it wasn't smoother nor faster nor did i feel any difference at the end of the ride. I feel scammed. It's so disheartening. It's all in your legs and all those gains are all in your head.

    • @radfordbean2164
      @radfordbean2164 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have to disagree with them on Muck-Off and Cannondale. Never had a buildup with Muck-Off, and I own a Cannondale. Great bike. Though I must say those lefty forks look ridiculous.

  • @alexguiver815
    @alexguiver815 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love front mechs, allows you to ride a 26" wheel MTB everywhere. 3 x 8 running 22/32/44 and 11/32 gives everything from 40mph downhill on road tyres during winter fitness rides to sub-walking pace climbs on the trails. I can usually make them last a year or two and they come with a sticker on the cage which you just line up with the teeth on the largest chainring during installation. Subscribed though as I agree with everything else in this vid

  • @daredemontriple6
    @daredemontriple6 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    I live in Bristol and I weigh 116kg - having a 52/36 instead of a single 46 or something has meant that I can really put the power on when I want to go fast and enjoy having a bike as nice as I do, but I can also actually slug it up the massive hills without dying half way up. I'm not exactly unfit but I am no pro - so I like having those really low ratios on hand when I need them, while still having the capability to sprint at full tilt every now and then even if only for 20 seconds :D
    Obviously it is another thing that can go wrong - but you have to ask questions about the way you take care of (or don't as the case may be) your bike if mech cables corroding is that serious of an issue. It's not exactly hard to make sure your bike is put away dry and kept dry while it is put away - at least I've never had any corrosion issues

    • @m1mbz
      @m1mbz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I live in Bristol too and love my front Mech, the only bike without a front mech I've ever enjoyed riding was a folding bike, but I would only ride that a couple of miles at most, if I wanted to go further it would stop being fun quite quickly and I'd quite like a lot more gears.

    • @mrichards55
      @mrichards55 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      52/36 and 11-34 is a great setup to put the power down on the flats and climb up almost anything.

    • @seksualusis
      @seksualusis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrichards55 I am surprised how sufficient is 36/11-34 on my Decathlon Riverside 120. With Microshift switching it is just perfect in gear department. I'd say one-by is generally great, if set is right.

    • @seksualusis
      @seksualusis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@m1mbz Obviously, you had no intimate relations with the single speed. It can blow one's mind how excellently single ratio can do. I have no big problems with gears, yet it is and feels messy on triple, simple and sufficient on _proper_ one-by, while exactly joy and sensation on single speed.

    • @robt8042
      @robt8042 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Zero issues with corroded cables, still have the same Sram RED front gear cable when I first put it on the groupset 11 years and 40,000kms later. Adjusted it once maybe twice.

  • @andyhodge9703
    @andyhodge9703 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I've been using Conti gatorskin tyres for over 5 years in all weather conditions and I have never ever had a problem with grip , and I ride twisty hilly roads in South Devon . Also on the rare occasion when I do get a puncture , again absolutely no problem getting tyre on or off , I'm a big fan of these tyres .

    • @thelonesculler
      @thelonesculler ปีที่แล้ว

      Regarding getting tyres on and off, that's because there are two versions of Gatorskins. The folding bead one is fine, goes on without much hassle, very straightforwards. The wire bead version is an absolute bastard of a tyre that is near impossible to get on and off and has led to multiple tyre levers of mine getting snapped whilst trying to get it on and off rims. Horrible to live with, should never have been created

    • @andyhodge9703
      @andyhodge9703 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thelonesculler I've used both folding and wire bead and the folding is definitely easier to live with

    • @Mengcharsway
      @Mengcharsway 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Eh they do give you a good deal of puncture protection but you are definitely giving up a good deal of grip, ride comfort, rolling resistance, and weight on Gatorskins---which is to say quite a lot. I used to use them before I knew better. Gp5000s or other top level tires will make your bike feel like new. If the roads are bad where you live I would suggest going tubeless.

    • @jazemkrzysio
      @jazemkrzysio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Since more than 20 years I'm on Conti GP 4000. Once I've tried Gatorskin on my commuter when using it on often London's wet roads. It was horrible nightmare. Sometimes it was spinning without any grip when I've tried to suddenly accelerate.

  • @dperreno
    @dperreno ปีที่แล้ว +124

    What a fun video! I really enjoyed it!
    I'm going to disagree about the gear cables for just one reason - COST. Wireless setups are great - I have SRAM AXS on my new Trek - but it was EXPENSIVE! Even the newest "entry level" wireless setups are still 2x-3x the cost of a traditional entry level cable groupset. If the cost continues to fall in the next 5-10 years and the cost difference goes away or becomes negligible, then sure, it's the way to go.
    Yeah, I'm also keeping my front mech for now because my 62 year old butt needs those super low gears on my road bike.

    • @boardmanross
      @boardmanross ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think he meant wireless, just 1 chain ring at the front and 11 or 12sp at the back.

    • @frankdatank2570
      @frankdatank2570 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I totally agree about needing a front Mech. Dude in the video is a just trendy and jumping on the 1x bandwagon. I live in a mountainous area, I use both rings equally. Not to mention if you've rode enough you know that the big ring feels different than the small ring, even if the gear inches are the same. So to say it unnecessary is foolish.

    • @dperreno
      @dperreno ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@frankdatank2570 Yep, I moved from the plains to the mountains. Need that front mech more than ever!

    • @phillybogana
      @phillybogana 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He’s in the industry so he doesn’t have to pay retail for anything. No wonder he loves wireless shifting 😂

  • @RUSSDsPhotography
    @RUSSDsPhotography ปีที่แล้ว +137

    I will stick with 2X up front, for now. I like the wider range available if I go to the hills. Good info throughout the video, I appreciate y'alls efforts.

    • @RamsayMacFarlane
      @RamsayMacFarlane ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm with you - 2x for the gravel! The differential in speed makes it almost a necessity.... 1mph climbs, 40mph descents... RANGE! and Quick jump shifting™ using the front mech!

    • @climatechangedoesntbargain9140
      @climatechangedoesntbargain9140 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I have a 3x and don't want to miss the range either.
      Tbh one tooth less on the back or one more on the front and I wouldn't make it up the hills when riding with luggage.
      I am even thinking on upgrading to a Casette with 36 instead of 32 teeth max

    • @TheSteinbitt
      @TheSteinbitt ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s just a lot of redundancy really, I’m going single up front next bike.

    • @willemrm4033
      @willemrm4033 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 As long as the rear derailleur can handle it. I can only have a 30 t on my 3X. (with 28 - 39 - 48 in front)

    • @radfordbean2164
      @radfordbean2164 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wouldn't want a single chain ring on my road bike. Have some steep hills where I live that always require me dropping to the smaller chainring.

  • @billhulley
    @billhulley ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Gradually ramping up the outrage, I was with Nic all the way up to front mechs 🤣
    Definitely agree about Hunt wheels though. No end of problems with bearings, pulled and replaced with better quality ones but still wheel side bearing in the freehub repeatedly fell apart over winter. Looks like a preload tolerance thing.

    • @billhulley
      @billhulley ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@twillyspanksyourcakes Zero Friction Cycling recently posted a video comparing transmission losses between 1x and 2x, the data is pretty conclusive, I think I’ll stick with 2x and keep the watts.

    • @guytatler9769
      @guytatler9769 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And cables. His beef with cables just seemed to require you to buy stainless ones and just learn how an adjuster works. I'd take that any day over stupid expensive repairs on electrics

    • @guytatler9769
      @guytatler9769 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@twillyspanksyourcakes I suppose you're right, the margins are higher and so is parts/servicing costs. Personally you'll never get me to abandon a system with as much flexibility as mechanical drivetrains have. You can technically run Campag 10 speed shifters with a Suntour Vx derailleur and Shimano 8s cassette. With a bit of maths and ingenuity almost anything is possible with a mechanical setup.

    • @MarcoFiat16
      @MarcoFiat16 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wheelside bearing in the freehub on Hunt wheels only lasts about 3000kms, but that's the only downside of these (they are strong, fast, solid, reliable in all weathers and most of all exceptionally well priced).
      Suggestion: buy a replacement freehub from them, it's 40€, so that when you start hearing that horrible metallic grinding sound signalling the end of the life of your bearing, you just swap freehubs easily and replace bearings with other ones with no rush

    • @Cobalt985
      @Cobalt985 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guytatler9769 Agreed. I am not a "road cyclist", though I ride on the road quite often. Mechanical will ALWAYS be all I use. I do not want to contribute all that shit to e-waste in a few years.

  • @RelakS__
    @RelakS__ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I have a 3x9 bike. The other day I calctulated a bit and it turned out that this setup is about equivalent to a 1x14 because of the many similar/identical gear ratios.
    I think that a 2x12 is still have a place on the bikes. If you chose a cassette with less jumps between cogs, with a crankset where the small chainring is like 60% of the big chainring, you could have a "road" and a "terrain" set of speeds.

  • @suedfrucht44
    @suedfrucht44 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is golden!! Especially the bar tape insights is so valueble - since as a weekend warrior, you change it once, maybe twice a year if you even bother. And then you just get what looks good...

  • @stevetee4145
    @stevetee4145 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    I like a front mech. I tried a mates 1x gravel bike and found I was either spinning too fast or grinding. Most of the time I couldn’t find a comfortable gear ratio.

    • @niceup1177
      @niceup1177 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Your mate should try a single speed bike next. He'll love it.

    • @peterers3
      @peterers3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same

    • @tinglydingle
      @tinglydingle ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I was the same but I have actually converted fully to 1x now.

    • @johndef5075
      @johndef5075 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

    • @Rafskat
      @Rafskat ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I disagree, but that's a personal thing.
      On road bike - 2by is way to go
      I have build Turing bike for myself (cx/gravel kind of thing) and I have 48t front and 11-51 Shimano on the back.. and it's fine for me..
      But I also ride on the velodrome and on the track bike outside.. so I don't mind big steps between gears

  • @joeuser2360
    @joeuser2360 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    The best part was him providing alternatives to the products he doesn't like.

  • @lionheart1916
    @lionheart1916 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I went 1x last year on a gravel bike and has been great for me admittedly I'm a casual rider but find the range enough, so simplistic and clean looking to boot...

  • @zimboy777
    @zimboy777 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    one by on my road bike (46t) has proven perfect in undulating countryside and it does lighten and simplify the drive train - have 3 sets of Hunt wheels used on road, Cx and gravel and had zero issues - agree with his view on Sram axs and thinking of going that way after issues with di2 battery cables - on tires Conti Grand Prix/4000/5000 have served me well in all seasons

  • @charliecook6909
    @charliecook6909 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Love how nick is the bike shop version or James 🤣 I do love a one buy roadie , I have a 3t definitely had no tyre clear , but does look pretty cool

  • @bobvelting379
    @bobvelting379 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I do like the front mech. My MTB is 1x and I'm happy with it, but on the road, I like to have those couple of extra gears in the top end without giving up range. On my touring rig, I could not do without. I live in a very flat area with a lot of wind so I need a large top-end gear to get places fast, but I do ride some steep stuff when I'm out on a multi-day ride with my tent and sleeping bag so I also need the range. I guess it depends on the situation you are riding in.

    • @VirgilOvid
      @VirgilOvid ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I can't see it taking off either. The only way to get around the limited gear range is having a gigantic dinner plate sized cassette and not only does that make the jumps more extreme but it also means you're constantly cross chaining.2x has cleaner lines and smaller jumps, hard to give up that practicality.

    • @Ropetable
      @Ropetable ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i have the e*thirteen 9-50t cassette in the rear, that gives amazing range. have a 30t on a mtb, 32 on xc bike and 38 on my gravel bike. up to 50km/h and down to snail speeds on 25°+ gradient climbs it leaves nothing to be desired for. and if im going 55 or 60km/h it is still acceptable.

    • @woodywoodverchecker
      @woodywoodverchecker ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Ropetable I hope you mean 25%, not 25°.

    • @bobvelting379
      @bobvelting379 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Ropetable I did look into riding with those since they are awesome but so expensive!! I go through a chain every 9 months or so as is and tend to get 2 or 3 chains out of my cassettes before they are worn out. The whole 11-speed package (an SLX 11-42 cassette with 3 KMC chains) costs me roughly €140 for 2 years and 3 months of riding.

    • @Ropetable
      @Ropetable ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@woodywoodverchecker haha right, my mistake.

  • @mohammadfahmy7976
    @mohammadfahmy7976 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like Nick's honesty! We need more of his rants please

  • @valmorell
    @valmorell ปีที่แล้ว +20

    At 74 years of age, and having built and maintained my many many bikes thru my whole lifetime I totally concur with every word in this video.

    • @MikeSmith-qu5ew
      @MikeSmith-qu5ew ปีที่แล้ว

      What bike are you ridding now I am finding that my lighter bikes are more fun to ride as I get older but have a mike apple bike that is steel that rides like a dream… so really enjoy ridding still at 76

    • @valmorell
      @valmorell ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@MikeSmith-qu5ew Actually I just bought a Giant Contend SL2. Nice and upright riding position and takes fat tyres. Converted it to 1x of course. Semi internal cabling only. A real common sense bike.

    • @MikeSmith-qu5ew
      @MikeSmith-qu5ew ปีที่แล้ว

      David that is a good choice for sure,I am always trying to upgrade but need to more up right at 76 and need some warm weather I am in Wisconsin and the winters are long.

    • @davidadams8342
      @davidadams8342 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MikeSmith-qu5ew Hello, I met Mike Apple at a WI bike race in Madison- quick fix on my frame. Thanks for jogging my memory!

    • @MikeSmith-qu5ew
      @MikeSmith-qu5ew 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidadams8342 David I have one apple bike its a perfect frame steel and the paint is perfect its a touring bike with a fit that is fast. I have not seen a bike as nice. Do you ride a lot still its tough for me with the traffic but still get out for rides.

  • @ralphmartinez8616
    @ralphmartinez8616 ปีที่แล้ว +993

    Drug test that guy. Front mechs ain’t going nowhere son

    • @BennoSattler
      @BennoSattler ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Opinionated rant, bare of taking application of tools into consideration - but messaging "don't believe the hype", I love it 🙂
      Oh, and if drugs could explain any of it, I'd be relieved, so, I am on board with your suggestion!

    • @MrZeroNegative
      @MrZeroNegative ปีที่แล้ว +80

      Live in Norway, where everywhere is a at least a hill. Can confirm front mechs staying put

    • @davidbacon2726
      @davidbacon2726 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Nah, 100% agree with this mechanic. Front mechs will be a thing of the past soon.

    • @5amba
      @5amba ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Classified 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @5amba
      @5amba ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @Ryan Terence have you read the title of the video?
      Since most of the people watching this video actually build and repair their bikes, they will appreciate that.

  • @marekkozub8957
    @marekkozub8957 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    I have been riding road bikes for 24 years and I never had any problems with front mechs. I even didn't know such problems existed. Also, I have been using Gatorskin tires for few years and I really like them. I never had a puncture.

    • @barrycorney3665
      @barrycorney3665 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I think most of the FD "problems" he stated are just "neglect" issues!

    • @Exgrmbl
      @Exgrmbl ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@barrycorney3665
      I find it funny how a quarter turn on a barrel adjuster is supposed to be a big technical problem somehow.

    • @bikeindustryshill
      @bikeindustryshill ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Gatorskins suck. Have you actually tried a good tyre?

    • @markxkovacic
      @markxkovacic ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Gatorskins suck.

    • @marekkozub8957
      @marekkozub8957 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bikeindustryshill Yes, but I've got tired of fixing punctures on the side of the road.

  • @paulmiddlemass6465
    @paulmiddlemass6465 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just bought some Bbb Gravel Ribbon, and it's great, seems to be stretchy without looking like it's stretched and is comfy, easy to wrap and grippy. Looks good too imo

  • @LarsJackson
    @LarsJackson ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Would love a video of some different bikes/brands you guys like both from a mechanics- and a bike fitters perspective. I feel too many brands are difficult to bikefit for a lot of people, and/or is hard to upgrade across different component-brands.

  • @arifazhari7598
    @arifazhari7598 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Yo, the last one is the last straw.
    I agree with the most part but, front mech is where i personally drew the line. It's cheaper and easier to get wide range of gear for gravel using 2x10 groupset than using 1x12.
    Especially when Tiagra hydraulic/ grx 10 speed is pretty much basic* standard for gravel .

    • @docmccoy9813
      @docmccoy9813 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      He sounded like a professional mechanic until the last bit. It's funny he says "don't fall just for the marketing".

    • @kornenator
      @kornenator ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But can you actually get better gearing with 2x? For speed probably, but for climbing, you can get a 46-30 up front and an 11-34 in the back (or maybe a 11-36 tops, but that is not officially supported for Tiagra). At the same time it's not very hard to have a 10-46 or even 10-50 for 1x, combine that with a 40t or 42t up front, and it's very similar, but with better climbing gears. I switched from a Tiagra set to Apex1, and so far haven't found anything to complain about.

    • @arifazhari7598
      @arifazhari7598 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kornenator i run tiagra using 48-32t combo with 11-36 without derailleur extender. No issues so far.
      I still got top speed and some climbing gear. Since it's hard to get GRX crank comes with 165mm length.
      Besides the jump on wide range 1x11 is too much for me. And oncd again the 10 speed components is far cheaper to replace and maintain.

    • @jonathangapay1724
      @jonathangapay1724 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I run a 46/30 up front with an 11-42 cassette. I just needed a longer chain, around 120 links to get it to work.

    • @willoughbyliley9273
      @willoughbyliley9273 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and it will last longer and be cheaper to buy a new chain for

  • @rcggijzen
    @rcggijzen ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Hands off my front mech! No 1x for me. It means less gear changes in terrain with many short hills and keeps my chain better aligned on the rear sprocket. I even think 1x12 speed is a step back from 2x9 speed. 11s and 12s have crazy expensive chains and casettes and are more critical in set-up . My front mechs have given 0 issues over the past 25 years with 10-15k/year through summer and winter. Just regular maintenance.

    • @ueberraschungstuete
      @ueberraschungstuete ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like front mechs, too. Especially if you are driving with luggage. In this case even smaller hills will be hard to cycle. Especially if you only do it a fey times in a year. I really liked to switch to the lowest gear possible then.
      Maybe 2x front mech would be sufficient when having a 12x casette. But still I'd like to be able to switch.

  • @roubaix3843
    @roubaix3843 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been riding a Specialized Roubaix for the last 4 years, previously despite having a professional bike fit still had some issues with shoulder/hands on rougher road surfaces - no more. Works for me, and so far no issues whatsoever with the Future Shock.

  • @robertchandler587
    @robertchandler587 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    GREAT VIDEO!! Especially helpful for us consumers wanting to avoid hassle and extra costs associated with some ‘duff’ products. I blame the marketing…

  • @jaygreen2648
    @jaygreen2648 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now it all makes sense.... 😂
    Does Nic want an apprentice for a week, love to learn more of his wisdom. Loving the channel Francis and Jimmy great job guys...

  • @patrickzimmerly3737
    @patrickzimmerly3737 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is great content!! No fuff'n about! The more I see and read- I do think my next road/gravel bike will be a frame set- and build it up with Sram 1x with some 12 speed mountain bike gearing ... seems so simple at this point. Would still need tools for bleeding brakes and misc. bottom bracket type stuff.
    (*can we get a list of Nick's prefered products? - sponsorships be damned! ha)
    Oh...and it was nice to see Justin again, how's he doin?

    • @nicvieri2627
      @nicvieri2627 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bleeding those SRAM brakes are mega easy as well. I can teach someone to do it in about 10min 🙌🏽

  • @tedshred6581
    @tedshred6581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Appreciate the tips, especially on Cannondale. I have a Cannondale MTB (Jekyll) and noticed that they've hopefully given up on the Ai dishing. It;s been a great bike, but ended up buying a new wheeleet, so I'd have the OEM's as a backup in case of a crash that bricked a wheel. If I go on a road trip have to make sure I have the backup b/c no LBS is likely to have a compatible wheel in stock. Replacing chainrings or BB's is an adventure in trying to find who has the right offset. Cannondale's proprietary setups were a case of sound engineering overcoming common sense! I like having no front mech, but wish the 12-sped cassette didn't cost 3x-4x the cost of the 9spd cassette on my commuter bike that's a 3x9.

  • @josh33172
    @josh33172 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think front mechs are still a thing especially w/ road and gravel.
    I do see the point of 1X, and I've been 1X since around 2006 or 2007, so when SRAM brought out the 1X group, I jumped on it! The narrow-wide and clutch derailleurs were a revolution!
    Supacaz tape can be stubborn, and I can see from a full-time mechanic's perspective, but even not working in a shop, I've probably wrapped over 150 bikes with that tape, and don't much mind wrapping it. However, the finish is well worth it, amazing tape that actually improves over time! I have some new Ergon Gravel on order so we'll see. I really like Ergon's products so I'm exited about their tape.
    I can't much disagree/critique any of the other stuff...the Press to threaded Wheel Mfg. BB is fantastic! Definitely an upgrade for compatible press-fits!

  • @ellon118
    @ellon118 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nic is a legend. Keep him on the channel. Not quite as grump as James, but I'm sure with some training you will get him up there. Brilliant, keep the videos coming.

  • @PaulLangmead
    @PaulLangmead ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I fit my derailleurs 2 years ago and haven't touched them since other than trim. Haven't even changed the housings. Not sure what cables and housings he's using...
    2x also makes it considerably easier to get your bike on the trainer.

  • @eddygortex
    @eddygortex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love front mechs . Quickest shift when racing when suddenly onto a hill ,shift from front big ring to small front ring when most are crunching up the rear sprockets.

  • @7R1LL10N
    @7R1LL10N ปีที่แล้ว

    i like front mechs for the smoother cassette ranges while still having a wide ratio. but i do agree its a valid point. good watch thanks!

  • @OllyKilo
    @OllyKilo ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm guessing the front mech comment was there to stimulate social engagement. Much prefer quick access to a larger ratio when pulling away, rather than firing through the cassette. My Hunt wheels seem OK in the 8 months I've had them so far. The LBS did recommend Fulcrum but they didn't do a QR version.

  • @FuriousFilipino
    @FuriousFilipino 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I started work as a professional bike mechanic as soon as I was legally able to work back in 1996 as a fresh high school graduate, and worked in the industry until 2010. I agree on most counts, but front derailleurs are not going away, for the fact that any other option that is not using a chain is just so much more inefficient, and the range of gears offered by huge jumps in chainring size is simply currently unmatched. Also as a former Fit Kit certified fitter, Speedplay pedals are easier to set up and use than any other road pedal, for both the consumer and bike fitter. No guessing on float as you dictate where you want it, set the fore/aft and lateral to compensate for wider narrower need for q-factor. With the other delta style cleats, the lateral adjustment will ultimately affect how much you can toe the cleat in/out.

    • @chriseidam7319
      @chriseidam7319 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I worked on and off for 13 years in the bicycle business. I was the top manager in a shop chain that was in the top 100 of shops in the country according to BDS. I trained a lot of people to become mechanics. The president of the largest bicycle club in the United States was going around telling everybody that I was the best in the state. I had no personal relationship and I'd only see him come into my shop once.
      My point is I've seen a lot of silly opinions in the bicycle business in a lot of silly products. It seems like the products are more silly than ever. That's what burned me out on the business. I kept seeing new products launched that were garbage. Only to have enthusiasts with too much money and too few brains come rushing into the bike shop with a magazine in their hand saying, "Do you have this yet? do you have this yet?"
      Speedplay pedals are not one of those products. I am one of the original purchasers of speed play pedals and I love them. Especially since I suffered knee damage courtesy of a drunk driver in 1990. Speed play pedals are much more comfortable than SPD and egg beater pedals because they have completely free range of pivot where the others have spring loaded pivot. It's a huge difference if you have knee problems. And like you stated, installation is the easiest you can have. As far as the weight of the cleats, they're not particularly heavy so I don't understand that comment In the video.
      Additionally, speed play have by far the most corner clearance of any pedal made. When I was an avid cyclist doing 300 miles a week I practice taking corners while pedaling all the way through the corners. I could do a much deeper lean with Speedplay pedals once I got them.
      And as far as he's comments about triple cranks and double cranks and also about cables, I think he's dead wrong. I think those are ridiculous opinions. He's not going to enjoy using a single chainring with a limited rear gear range in the White mountains of New Hampshire. He's not going to want them in Fitchburg, Massachusetts. He's not going to want them and Aspen, Colorado.
      If he's having a problem with cables rusting up it means he's not building the bicycles improperly.
      On every bicycle that I assembled - and I have assembled thousands of bicycles - I always trimmed the housing and then put the lightest coating of white lithium grease on the cables and would take the cables out and pump the housing full of Teflon lubricant. I know from my own bicycles that the cables just won't rust if you do that. And they'll smoothly shift.
      From a business point of view, he should want his customers to come back to have their cables readjusted during the break-in. That's an opportunity for the shop to show its new customers the accessories that they should now realize would make their experience more enjoyable. Instead of them buying the bare minimum of accessories such as a water bottle and cage for perhaps $20 or $30 or $40, they'll eventually set themselves up with about $500-to-$1,000 worth of accessories that fit their needs and actually make their cycling experience much more pleasurable. That all really starts with the tune-up after a break-in of a new bicycle. And it's the skipping shifting because of stretch cables that will drive those new enthusiasts back to the shop to get the adjustment. If they don't see a problem and don't feel a problem they won't bring the bike back in for those adjustments. You know what I mean.

    • @jazemkrzysio
      @jazemkrzysio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I 100% agree with you regarding Speedplays. Best pedals, longest lasting cleats, no hassle adjustment to ANY personal requirements, double side benefits - easy engadgement and double life.

  • @houstonlundy5888
    @houstonlundy5888 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been no front mech on my road bike for 2 years and I like it. When I go to the mountains I just use a smaller front chainring. There are times I wish I had a smaller chainring but only during an endurance ride where I’m trying to keep the power low.

  • @iskindersam7834
    @iskindersam7834 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have "Time" pedals for about 10 years and they still as strong as the day I got them and comfortable amount of float. Great pedals! 👍🏼

    • @bchearne
      @bchearne ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve broken a couple sets, but it’s an mtb, so they get some abuse

  • @C5FlyingSquad
    @C5FlyingSquad ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I second the Gatorskins. I prefer fixing a puncture every now and then over waiting for skin abrasions to heal.

  • @jcsrst
    @jcsrst ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As the owner of a Lefty fork on my gravel bike I can say with absolute certainty that you CAN take the brake caliper off to fix a flat. Also as a user of speedplay I disagree with the durability statement. I have ridden with them for 30 years and find that they've operated flawlessly; all iterations. I had to switch my last pair after 20K miles only because they changed the cleat set up. 1X on the gravel but my other bikes have front mechs and I love all the gear choice for the road.

    • @anotheryoutuber2463
      @anotheryoutuber2463 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      you also dont have to take off the wheel to change a flat on a lefty, they say he is a professional bike mechanic but...

    • @jcsrst
      @jcsrst ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anotheryoutuber2463 Its easier for me to take the wheel off😁

  • @MikeSmith-qu5ew
    @MikeSmith-qu5ew ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I agree for I am 76 years old and have used all these products and agree from personal experience, I am shocked that a person would speak out for I also had the problem with headset .. as you said! yet I do not like my charging stations and having to take backup batteries for the shifters. I do use wax for inside ridding due to not wanting spray on the floor or mat…. 😊

  • @michaelb9664
    @michaelb9664 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve never had a problem with Muc Off dry lube. It leaves no residue 🤷‍♂️
    It does need applying very often though.

  • @paulawright6868
    @paulawright6868 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I scored 3/10, gator skins, muc off and front mech. Hope it’s not a competition ❤️

    • @jelle7224
      @jelle7224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gatorskins, Supacaz bar tape and front mech for me.

    • @BrianMcDonald
      @BrianMcDonald ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I use muc off lubes and have had no problems cleaning extremely neglected winter chains and cassettes in an ultrasonic cleaner, so it may be down to what is used to degrease.

    • @bikeindustryshill
      @bikeindustryshill ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BrianMcDonald The chain lubes have a poor reputation with people who test these things

    • @djbayr9516
      @djbayr9516 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ultegra, infinity elites and all sorted

  • @johndef5075
    @johndef5075 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I never had much problem with front derailleurs. 2x10 is the best mtb setup. Just that nobody wants to admit it. I have same range with a $30 11-36 cassette as those stupid pizza pie $400 cassettes. And no 10 tooth jumps. Nice and tight😅

  • @DomRorke
    @DomRorke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Feel the need to come to Hunt's defence here. I'm 77Kg and have multiple alloy and carbon Hunt wheels which I've ridden the hell out of both on the MTB (Trail Wides), racing CX (Carbon 30 tubulars), on gravel (4-Seasons), and on the road (Aerodynamasist Alloy), and apart from the V1 trailwide rims being a bit too easy to dent (nolonger an issue with the v2's), all these wheels have been faultless, and customer support and all communications with Hunt have been really positive. Love em!

  • @jeffkolodny
    @jeffkolodny ปีที่แล้ว

    This might be the most helpful video I’ve ever seen! Please keep doing them

  • @Skooteh
    @Skooteh ปีที่แล้ว +13

    lefty is legit cool. Looks strange, performs well and honestly it's not meaningfully harder to replace a wheel than it is on bolted or standard thru-axle wheel (at least with the removeable disk mount, older ones are harder). Also, you can repair a flat without taking the wheel off.

    • @sash2k2
      @sash2k2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly! New Leftys use a quick release system to remove the brake caliper with a single flip of a lever. Can't get easier than that.

    • @n22pdf
      @n22pdf ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree love my lefty Oliver excellent

  • @paulsymons562
    @paulsymons562 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Agreed on the Skaterskins, a slid on one of those buggers a few years back cost me a broken wheel and very nearly a broken hip.

  • @robertmisiuk7137
    @robertmisiuk7137 ปีที่แล้ว

    Riding my road bike on roads, it is nice to be able to drop the front ring to the small ring at a light, and then once going again, shift back to the big ring. No need to shift multiple times trying to find the gear I was in. Also great on the mtn bike. When you don't have the momentum to get up a hill, drop the front ring and you are good to go.

  • @bevo335
    @bevo335 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've ridden Gatorskins for a while, but I don't ride much in the wet, I'll keep that in mind.
    I've used Muc-Off Dry Lube on my road bike for several years and I haven't had any issues with it caking on. One drop per roller and let it soak in, then wipe off any excess. The chain and cassette comes clean easily with a little de-greaser.
    I'll not switch to a 1x on my road bike, too many hills in my area and I wish I had more gears both high and low.

  • @viktorlenart1125
    @viktorlenart1125 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I swear by my Hunt wheels, have done over 10k miles on the road on them, still on original bearings/axles. Not much riding in the wet though. Got another pair for my mountain bike, looking forward to how they'll bear.

    • @RikHelsen
      @RikHelsen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had the nipple holes tearing after 1 year on my alu HUNTS

    • @nathierfakier6380
      @nathierfakier6380 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here, purely love my Hunts, also the envy of my mates as they just continues to roll compared to other bigger and expensive brands

    • @RikHelsen
      @RikHelsen ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nathierfakier6380 there is little magical about them, they need the same maintenance as any other brand. Mine broke after a year.

    • @ianthomas3155
      @ianthomas3155 ปีที่แล้ว

      Destroyed the hub on my Hunt rear wheel twice. They sent replacements without question but it shouldn’t happen.

  • @cycling2005
    @cycling2005 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Have no problem with lizard skin bar tape. Never had any issues with Dura Ace front mech. Plenty of dropped chains with sram front mechs.

  • @nancyprier416
    @nancyprier416 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome video! now I have so much more info to make choices about what to consider when buying my n+1! I do use speedplay pedals 😉

  • @paul_rider
    @paul_rider 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Definitely need a front mech if you live somewhere hilly but also like riding fast. 11-32 50/34 is my sweet spot.

  • @pigeonkillblah5373
    @pigeonkillblah5373 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I use 3*9 on my winter/gravel/dirt bike and looking at prices online I can buy a front mech, chain, cassette and middle and 'big' (44T), all Shimano, ring for a price of a 12speed chain.

    • @michaelhayward7572
      @michaelhayward7572 ปีที่แล้ว

      3 x is superb especially if using a friction shifter

    • @rangersmith4652
      @rangersmith4652 ปีที่แล้ว

      I converted a 3x9, V-brake hybrid to drop bars with long-pull drop bar brake levers and indexed bar-end shifters. That might seem weird to some people, but it works really well, and a set of 3x9 brifters would have cost about twice the price of all four separate levers.

    • @vaughanbbrean71
      @vaughanbbrean71 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rangersmith4652 done exactly the same with a Giant Escape, works great and seems to give me everything a fancy expensive gravel bike offers at a fraction of the price....oh and it has carrier mounts too 🙂

    • @rangersmith4652
      @rangersmith4652 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vaughanbbrean71 That's awesome. Mine is a 2001 Sirrus Comp. Barely handles 33mm tires, that's enough.

  • @Trancefreakeh
    @Trancefreakeh ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like front mechs, means you can get less gears at the back. Less gears at the back: wider and thus stronger chain. 8-9 speeds is fine, but yes, with front mech :).
    Also, I don't care about weight much ^^

    • @a1white
      @a1white ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Smaller cassette on the back = less weight also, than a massive SRAM 48-10 (or whatever they do 😅)

  • @kazzz6666
    @kazzz6666 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great great video! would love to see more of him! Went 1x and very happy.

  • @n01928
    @n01928 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've used mucoff since I got my bike without issue. I did think about going 1x when I got it but space on the rear hub is more limited with the hub motor and ill take a 3x7 +1000watts over a 1x12 any day of week. At least until I save a few grand for a mid-drive. Never had issues with cable stretch but I did have issues with misshifts on the original lever shifters. After switching to deore trigger shifters the difference is night and day. I'll go entire rides without touching the rear shifter. Being able to just hit the trigger and be in the right gear every time without fail makes it be useable and the front groupset is space enough apart where adjacent gears actually feel like a change. Often I'll only have to change gear once vs having to go through 2-3 to find the right rear one.

  • @chriscalifano8842
    @chriscalifano8842 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    LOVE this video. As a bike mechanic of almost 20 years myself I agree with so much of this.
    Especially the Muc off chain lube. I can’t stand cleaning that stuff off people bikes.

    • @maybeonlysometimes
      @maybeonlysometimes ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is it a specific lube that does it or is it a certain type of terrain that it's so bad with? I was highly recommended muc off by the two mechanics at the shop when I was going to get something else and have personally never had a problem with it being bad to clean

    • @alistairbuckle3450
      @alistairbuckle3450 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In my experience, it’s Muc-Off Wet Lube, the blue one, which is particularly awful. Even correctly applied, the first ride in wet conditions on roads and it retains all the grime and grit splashed up from the surface and dries into a black gunk, almost like a glue or sealant, coating chain and gears. You won’t have the same problem with Muc-Off Dry Lube, the yellow one, because it washes off in even the lightest of rain, leaving your chain to rust. I agree with the video: +1 for Fenwicks All Conditions.

    • @pokiblue5870
      @pokiblue5870 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is awkward…i switched from wd40 lube for bike to muc off dry or wet lube and tho i did a good choice lol i felt the lube was way better than the messy wd40

  • @edpilling4955
    @edpilling4955 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I have numerous sets of Hunt wheels, on gravel and road. Been really good, odd freehub, but no worse than Mavic or others

    • @ipodgolfer13
      @ipodgolfer13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m looking at picking up hunt wheels for gravel and my FIL uses them.

  • @cecilecorpuz5735
    @cecilecorpuz5735 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been a bicycle mechanic for well over 40 years, and I totally agree with you on everything less the stuff about the front mech I've ridden thousands of miles with out having any sort of a problem once it's dialed in I'm good to go, of course I was living in California where the weather is nicer than what you'll have to deal with in the U.K. My new rig will be a a resto mod 80's Steel TRACK bike which will be converted into a road bike and it will be old school 2 X 6 or 2 X 7 - 41/52 or 53 up front and it will be a screamer and the looks of the bike will be well balanced, the 1 X 10 to 1 X 12 gear systems the thinner cogs and matching chains tends to wear out faster, so to say I gunning for durability, in the old days when comparing the older SUNTOUR to SHIMANO, SUNTOUR is just Breaking in just when SHIMANO is wearing out. I've ridden 2 of these type of bicycles for roughly 30 years, some would say I was nuts, not really I've logged many 100 plus mile rides on one of these animals. I now live in Holland and for the life of me I don't understand why the cyclist here are using all this alpine type of gearing. They will get pissed off at me when I will ask why all this gearing when it's so flat over here. Just my 2 cents.

  • @crawdaddy270
    @crawdaddy270 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muc-off lube: I use it without any issues of getting it off, however there’s a trick, if it’s one of the ceramic series lubes, just use soap and water. Degreaser doesn’t do a thing but dawn dish soap and warm water and it comes right off.

  • @fleurdelispens
    @fleurdelispens ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's really hilly where I live, so I need a front mech to give me the range to go zoom zoom on the downhill and keep a comfy cadence on the uphill. Over the summer, I regularly climb a 2mi hill with an average gradient of 5%

    • @meibing4912
      @meibing4912 ปีที่แล้ว

      1x - and my Sunday ride is 100km 1.460 height meters (new Shimano Ultegra 12sp). Yes, more gears would be nice on the steepest sections (>8%), but it’s funny how quickly you adjust.

  • @sepg5084
    @sepg5084 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I guess 1X users love cross-chaining 😂
    Went from 1X to a 2X on my hybrid gravel bike, never going back to 1X. Big ring makes me fast on roads, small ring gives me all the granny gearing that i need on steep technical climbs.
    Only reason for me to go 1X is if i go full mountain biking. Ain't doing that soon so nah.

  • @josephruby2981
    @josephruby2981 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had terrible knee pain after long rides - couldn't resolve it until I put speedplays on. They were expensive but they've lasted for years w/ minimal care. No more knee pain. Easy in and out.

  • @tychoMX
    @tychoMX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Agreed with most of these - but Lefty for, you got a puncture, you can fix it without taking the wheel off. Fringe benefit!
    Love front mechs except for super messy situations. 'Cross and MTB bikes? 1X. Other bikes, thank you very much, I like the extra flexibility, range and better gear spread. Again, for a 'cross bike or MTB, I'll consider the replacement cost for an electronic group part since these things get banged up and rarely survive the same amount as the rest of the groupset. I do love electronic sets for things that are less likely to get wrecked - have an old TT bike with 11 speed eTap, best idea ever. No cabling around idiotic bends!
    And love my Speedplay pedals... double side engagement, ease to set up mid-shoe (or at least further back on the shoe), very good float and adjustability- marginally more clearance if you ever strike a pedal in a crit. More fiddly than other pedals to setup sure, but in general I've had no durability issues. This is pre-Wahoo vintage so YMMV. I will buy old stock if I can get my hands on them..

  • @SpicyTrifongo
    @SpicyTrifongo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like to pedal while doing 35-40mph and I like to climb 10% gradients.
    Pretty much need a front mech to do both, even with an 11 speed.
    What I'd rather have is a premium 2x8 or 2x10 option for a mechanical set.
    All the fine tuning to avoid chain rub and excess noise would be made much simpler with fewer gears.

    • @hansschotterradler3772
      @hansschotterradler3772 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't pedal downhills; 1x with 34t chain ring works well for me.

    • @JCW86
      @JCW86 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure you don't mean 35-40 kph? lol we both know you aren't going 35-40 mph...

  • @editdroid99
    @editdroid99 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    speedplay defense. Super eays to clip into. Also, I've had no pain issuses due to poor fitment. Just lucky I guess. I have had to take one appart to add more grease, other wise, love'em.

    • @themeatpopsicle
      @themeatpopsicle ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You either love them or hate them. No in-between :D

    • @WeirdNumber1
      @WeirdNumber1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +1 for speedplays. Been using them for 15 years. Never had a problem and the new cleats with the rubber cover are certainly expensive but they last forever.

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WeirdNumber1 I always glue the rubber bottoms on or they tend to fall off when pushing off from a dead stop. I have found numerous ones out on the road so I know I am not the only one with the problem............

  • @SR77SR
    @SR77SR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly can't remember the last time I had issues with my front mech. Still perfectly fine for gravel and road bikes. I have 1x on my mtb but it's mostly because of simplicity of cleaning

  • @yveslaingui457
    @yveslaingui457 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You forgot integrated head tube cabling. Those are lovely to work on especially specialised venge type models

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just switched from 1x to 2x, after a year of use. I was missing those grany-gears when doing 10% grades with a well loaded bike on a tour. I was running 38x12-42, and it was barely enough, and somewhat hard and/or expensive to source parts for. Now i run 2x8 36-22x11-34. Gives me equal high gear with a nice low one. I would prefer a crank with replaceable chainrings and a 38-22 setup, and those rings would also be easy to source. I use square taper BB, and road rim-brakes for the same reasons. Low-tech, easy to maintain :)

    • @viliuskaminskas8946
      @viliuskaminskas8946 ปีที่แล้ว

      22x36 FTW most people dont need x3 if they pop this cheap bad boy

  • @joshhiggins4723
    @joshhiggins4723 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    In regards to speedplay pedals, he showed the older version but I absolutely love wahoos new version, never had an issue once setup and the cleats are fantastic when both walking or clipping in even after walking over dirt or mudddy roads.

    • @razeemali2322
      @razeemali2322 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agree. Not sure why Speedplay was even part of a video on mechanic issues. I can (maybe) see the topic in a bike fit video but why for a mechanic?

    • @ScottCervelo
      @ScottCervelo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@razeemali2322 My own experience is that you have to keep pumping greasein them prevent bearing to axle play and then the grease will leak out during a ride all over your white dmt knit kicks.
      The cleats wear out really fast while being expensive and when worn out have a lot of lateral play in them which then can destroy you kneecaps over a longer period of use.

    • @eckdavid2472
      @eckdavid2472 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I had them for years and loved them.

    • @jaycahow4667
      @jaycahow4667 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have the older Speedplay Zero pedals on seven bikes and have no issues other than the price of replacement cleats. At least in the Zeros unlike the even older X/2 models the cleat springs are the same on both pedals so I older need to buy cleats half as often.

    • @magnusmalmborn8665
      @magnusmalmborn8665 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Speedplays are easy to operate and feel nice. I'm not giving them up!
      The downside is that emergency release is by stripping the thread off the cleat bolts... (When I crashed the cleats pulled halfway of the shoes, so that the pedal body could rotate and slip between the locking lugs.)

  • @kadooosh
    @kadooosh ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a mechanic myself and use Muc-Off C3 Dry lube on my road bike... chains last a long time and stay clean(with proper care). I kinda like them...
    When you do climbing a front mech is needed...
    And gear cables, yes if you have the money go for electronic shifting. My di2 bike is great. But my 10s campy works fine as well.

  • @daleearnhardtsr.6704
    @daleearnhardtsr.6704 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lefty fork is easier than most for flat. Only need access to one side, only a fork stanchion on one side. Speaking as a bike shop mechanic it’s actually refreshing to work on lefty. Plus they have a quick detach brake caliper now.
    Specialized best brand still tho.

  • @sventice
    @sventice ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've always instinctively gone with bikes with a front derailleur, but now that I think about it, they are in fact a total pain, and may not actually be necessary. Especially if those two-speed hubs actually work as advertised.

  • @Jacob_Dwyer
    @Jacob_Dwyer ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Have been running gatorskins and their iterations in Seattle for years and years and one of the things I really like about them is that they are quite sticky in cold (not icy) and wet conditions. Let go of your brakes in the corners, watch out for wet leaves and steel.

  • @mrmotomoto
    @mrmotomoto ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Front mechs make it easier/faster to jump/drop a larger gearing with a single shift. They’re great. Plus better chainline !

  • @deepwoodtickles
    @deepwoodtickles ปีที่แล้ว

    Front mech every time, love cables, no worries about interference,battery fails or just huge expense if you have a prang and damage stuff ,they work and are easy to keep working,definite diva there wanting electronic shifts, got a full range of gears on my 3/8 speed that cope with flat to steep climbing,also can drop the center if you run into a steep climb in too high a gear,try that on a 12 rear cassette!

  • @mattbarlow4995
    @mattbarlow4995 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Hunt wheels are amazing, great quality and value. I have the trail wheels on my Enduro bike and they have taken a battering. The fact they send you out replacements no questions asked is just good customer service. I ordered the wrong freehub body and they sent me out a new one. Completely my mistake but means I wouldn’t hesitate to buy from them again.

    • @erickaracsonyi4415
      @erickaracsonyi4415 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have 3 sets of hunts. They have been nothing but bomb-proof. I'd always recommend them.

    • @mattbarlow4995
      @mattbarlow4995 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@erickaracsonyi4415 since this I’ve crashed and damaged the rim (still running with a tube but won’t seal tubeless). They have offered a discounted replacement or repair under their crash warranty scheme. Can’t fault them!

  • @clivestonebridge3859
    @clivestonebridge3859 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been put off by Vittorias tyres as the Randonneurs always feel sketchy in the rain to me, I'll stick with my marathon plus😂 and Nick makes valid points about front mechs, but its hard to give up that safety blanket of easier granny gears to get up hills.

  • @l.d.t.6327
    @l.d.t.6327 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:40 I don't have to go to a bike shop to re-do my cables every 6 weeks... I install them, ride them for a season and replace them. During the season, they shift crisply and reliable. Never had one braking, never had problems whatsoever.

  • @Shykovart
    @Shykovart ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting. After Smoove and Squirt I've tried Muc-Off chain lube and for me it worked best. Cleans easily with Muc-Off drivetrain cleaner. Will leave it for couple of weeks to test if it turns into glue)

  • @teunluijbregts2533
    @teunluijbregts2533 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Found myself agreeing with every-single-gripe Nick had 😢😮
    …except for cables on the rear derailleur. Preferably Campagnolo. And if it’s a road bike then 2x with cables would be acceptable provided the bike is custom steel 😂
    👍👍👍

    • @guytatler9769
      @guytatler9769 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm in complete agreement, recently swapped a mechanical Campag 11 speed on the lower end for Chorus EPS. Rear derailleur issues within 2 months and back to mechanical. Bike stayed steel throughout

    • @ericsaari2901
      @ericsaari2901 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guytatler9769 What didn't you like about EPS? I have always loved the feel of mechanical Campagnolo. Nothing matches it. I'm so tempted to try electronic, but I suspect I'd miss the really tactile feel of a shift.

    • @guytatler9769
      @guytatler9769 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericsaari2901 I initially liked the Chorus EPS and didn't particularly miss the feel of the mechanical shift as it was rather similar. It's a really lovely groupset to use. However you don't want to own it, the experience of dealing with and owning EPS is the most, nerve racking anxiety inducing experiences I've ever had with bike parts, and I've owned several bikes infamous for catastrophic failure. Wires don't disconnect at the battery and components so if you damage one, it's a whole new component. Information on repairs from Campagnolo is scarce and unhelpful, often just advising replacing whole units at exorbitant cost. Frankly the fear of these huge bills isn't justified by significantly improved performance, it was nice and better than the mechanical stuff, don't get me wrong. But it wasn't a massive, game changing leap forward from the mechanical shifting and definitely not worth the insane running costs.

    • @ericsaari2901
      @ericsaari2901 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guytatler9769 Thanks for sharing your experience with it! Sorry for the troubles.

  • @irsever
    @irsever 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I first get heavy into cycling singlespeed mountain biking and 1x9 conversions were very popular. Without horizontal dropouts to tension the chain, they relied on a series of kludges, from a cable-less front mech to chain tensioners that mounted at the rear. Short of a noisy and power-robbing downhill chain guide they could never retain the chain as well as a pair of derailers. I understand that new rear derailers have some sort trick for tensioning the chain, but am baffled with how they could have solved the chain wrap problem.

  • @CanyonWanderer
    @CanyonWanderer ปีที่แล้ว

    I stored this video in "Watch again" just to remember to avoid these products, great info!
    Front-tech wise: I live in the Netherlands and I hardly ever get out of the big ring. On my "bad weather bike" I even cannot get out of the big ring because the front mech is stuck (and I mean really stuck, zero movement, even after WD-40 / GT-85). Originally a 3x9, I removed the small ring (had not been used ever as far as I know), so theoretically a 2x9, but practically a 1x9.
    My "good weather bike" has a 52x36 - 11-30 setup so there I do switch to the inner ring occasionally, for me as a hobby rider (not using 53-11 ever I think) a compact would have sufficed, but when I got it, (end 2020) there was not much choice

    • @tfj100
      @tfj100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Must be tough going up all those hills in the Netherlands ;-)

    • @CanyonWanderer
      @CanyonWanderer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tfj100 Well ... , 2 years ago I had an easiest gear of 36/27 and some climbs in Limburg (the south) had parts of 9-16% and at least for my level (haha and weight!) that was tough indeed 😊

  • @alefone2
    @alefone2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well put together. Agree with everything he said, especially advantage of Sram electronic shifting. I was a Shimano guy for ever.....till I tried Sram. Simple does it for me.... Great job boys:)

  • @neilrobinson7965
    @neilrobinson7965 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Never really had any problems with front mechs or mechanical shifting/cable issues.

    • @BrianMcDonald
      @BrianMcDonald ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think I've had any major problems aside from the initial effort to get things right at the start. When you have new cables and everything is installed properly it feels like a dream, so the only real downside is that it just doesn't feel as nice when the cables stretch and if you are sensitive to feel you'll be constantly tweaking them or potentially servicing more which isn't always fun.

    • @AnvilAirsoftTV
      @AnvilAirsoftTV ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BrianMcDonald last time I adjusted my front mech cable was 2020. 10,000km a year. Sorted.

    • @BrianMcDonald
      @BrianMcDonald ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnvilAirsoftTV are your cables external or partially/fully through the frame?

  • @supergreg72
    @supergreg72 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I agree 100% about the front mech : With over 12,000km of road riding on a “one-by”, I’m never installing a front mech again! As it turns out this guy is right and life really is better without a FD. But if you like yours, by all means keep it! 😄

  • @swites
    @swites ปีที่แล้ว

    Pro link gold chain lube is great. Used it for yrs. Then went squirt which is good but doesn't live up to the hype imo as goes black and sticks everywhere. So now have gone full circle to wax. Did use muc off for awhile. Yellow dry lube stuff worked well. But the pink wet weather lube goes like black glue. Weird. 2x is great imo if you have steep hills and flats. I have an 11x32 compact. It just works. Gear cables are fine, easy to use as long as not routed completely internally through the headset. Fit and forget if buy the good stuff. Just a few turns of the barrel adjuster after a few days to account for "stretch". Although is annoying when cable frays and gears can't be adjusted right. But at least you know that means it's time to replace before it snaps.

  • @larrykaatz5446
    @larrykaatz5446 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've ridden and worked on bikes for decades. Got no problem with gear cables (or brake cables, for road riding). I love Muc-Off lubes. The gunk that forms on my cogs and pulleys is no harder to clean than when I use other lubes. I love 1x drive trains but front mechs still have a reason to exist. Thanks for the fun video!

  • @rangersmith4652
    @rangersmith4652 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Having a front mech means I can be on the big ring and if I suddenly need to go into a much easier gear, I can drop onto the small ring in a heartbeat and away I go. You cannot do that with a 1X because to get an easier gear you have to go bigger, not smaller, and that's always more of a challenge for any shifting system. Besides that, 2X or even 3X allows for much smaller jumps between ratios while still allowing for a wide range overall. I'm sure 1X has its place -- like on my e-bike -- but to say the front mech no longer has a place? Nonsense. And cable shifting? It's worked just fine for decades and still does as long as it's properly adjusted, and keeping it adjusted is only tricky until a new cable fully "beds in" or whatever term you like. No charging of batteries, no fiddling with an app to achieve some supposed state of gear changing nirvana, just smooth, fast, reliable shifting _at a reasonable price_ to boot. Again, electronically-controlled shifting has its place, but to say nobody should still be using it? Nonsense.

    • @robertmisiuk7137
      @robertmisiuk7137 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Use quality cables, and not a lot of adjusting is needed, unless you have a cheap group set.

    • @radiocontrolled9181
      @radiocontrolled9181 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly. I very rarely need to adjust my shifting with a click or two of the adjusting barrel - oh my what a workout !!! 😂😂 I love my 3x7

    • @NoBrakes23
      @NoBrakes23 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dropping the front ring is about the same as dropping three rings in the back. I don't know what ancient groupset you are using that doesn't allow you to do that.

    • @rangersmith4652
      @rangersmith4652 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NoBrakes23 Read my post.

    • @itisallinyourhead1709
      @itisallinyourhead1709 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@NoBrakes23 Sure you can do it. Do it under load, and keep doing it, and I'll crack a beer, pull an arm chair, and keep watching you do that the whole day 😂.

  • @danharvey3096
    @danharvey3096 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a MTBer who also roadbikes, & got particularly into roadbiking while rehabbing a MTB induced PCL injury lol.. I can agree with the front mech thing.. Having just a rear mech means being able to have a narrow-wide chainring which means no slipped chains.. I've had slipped chains on my roadbike, since I got a narrow-wide chainring on my Downhill MTB I never get slipped chains..
    While I bike on both flat & a 400m climb regularly, a front chainring in a size in between my 2 chainrings would be sufficient for both my riding environments, even with a 10 speed cassette that I'm currently running. A 12 speed would be luxury..

  • @MB-ek1ub
    @MB-ek1ub ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic non-sugar coated opinions based upon experience. 👍🏻. May not agree with each and every one, but nice to see unsponsored content.

  • @JackSmith-os8nm
    @JackSmith-os8nm ปีที่แล้ว +71

    this is actually a great video. Get this guy in front of a camera more often!

    • @joep6644
      @joep6644 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please don’t tell him that 😂😂

    • @steve24550
      @steve24550 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes please.