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Sram Red VS Campagnolo Super Record Wireless | Which Is Best?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- Campagnolo released the update to its Super Record groupset just a couple of weeks ago and the new components do seem to share quite a lot in common with Sram's RED AXS eTap groupset. So the question stands, how do they really compare and which is best? Sam Gupta has been hands-on with both groupsets and has judged them both across ten categories. These include: weight, practicality, braking performance, shifting quality, aesthetics, ergonomics, features, gearing options, powermeter and price. What do you make of the results, and which would you buy?
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Weight
01:33 - Practicality
02:24 - Braking
03:06 - Shifting Quality
04:19 - Aesthetics
05:22 - Ergonomics
06:41 - Features
07:30 - Gearing Options
09:12 - Powermeter
09:58 - Price
11:56 - Verdict
12:41 - Outro
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Campagnolo - We have SRAM Red at home.
Thanks for this Video, but I don‘t agree. I ride since 2020 SRAM red AXS on three Bikes (SL7, S5, Diverge), but love my new C68 with the Campa SR Wireless, the breaks are so much better, the shifters are gorgeous with feedback feeling and great functionality, better than SRAM in my opinion, if tester on youtube would ride 1000km with this new Campa like me, they would change their mind, this groupset is not for the mainstream, better and only for connoisseurs 😊
Same than you. I have just bought a C69!with Campa, and I cannot be happier. I have sram red in other bike, and it’s absolutely worst!
Yess, I have a xr4 with camp sr
And sl7 with dura ace.
And I prefer super record over dura ace.
People shit on campagnolo but people who actually have it on their bike always love it. Says enough.
I am Italian and I would love to see Campagnolo back on the spot this pioneering company deserve but...this is not going to happen. No powermeter? Price tag? We should also consider that the comparison occurred with SRAM Red, a groupset which is 4 years old. I am afraid but Campagnolo is slowly (maybe not so slowly) loosing appeal to all cyclists.
One big point that wasn’t even mentioned are bearings. And this point goes clearly to campagnolo
Actually, not anymore. The new SR Wireless cranks don’t come with the CULT bearings like SR EPS. It’s been downgraded to the USB bearings, which were used in the previous generation Record.
It is very interesting, i ride Sram red, got it on Gravel and Ebike as well. I like Sram very much, but everyone knows about the problems with the front-derailleur and the chain drops, the levers are not optimal and the brake performance, I have already changed the brakes for Hope. Why are all these points for Sram? For me these are all facts to switch back to campa after 20 years shimano and Sram. Can understand, that many people won‘t spend so much money for this, but you have to think about different arguments like productionsites as well, China vs Europe, it is poor only to speak about one site, there is definitely another, and everBody of us wants to be payed for his skills and knowledge, can‘t believe that this will be a point that counts in china
I have always used super record and currently have super record EPS4 and love it. And I realize the first iteration is so so for any company, but Campy shot themselves in the foot on the pricing. Hopefully, the next generation of super record will be much better. I am thinking about buying a new bike thus fall but it won't have Campy on it, and that breaks my heart.
I currently ride the EPS v4 and love the thumb shifter and the brake levers. I’m building a new bike and looks like I’ll be migrating to the new DA 13, when it shows up. I’ll miss the EPs v4. This new Campag Wireless… meh.
Easy for this guy to crap on Campag. They don't spend a lot of dough on advertising so there is no loss for this magazine show that lives off the manufacturers. BTW, I absolutely cannot believe that having ridden Campag for 50 years that a Gruppo would miss 10% of the shifts.
It doesn't. I've got over 1000km on prototype WL now ... and it's not missed a shift yet.
I have - but the shifting has done exactly what I've asked it do, faultlessly.
In context - I don't work for directly Campagnolo - but we do look after their technical training in the UK so yes, there's a strong relationship there.
We also teach high end mechanics on SRAM and Shimano so I can compare directly, based on many years of experience (40 and counting) as a mechanic.
I've given my feedback to Vicenza.
Exactly , it’s literally marketing budget shills , who don’t want to talk about real life issues …. Campagnolo is longer lasting , doesn’t get recalled like scam , looks better , shifts better , is real life lighter , brakes better , it’s hand made in Italy .
As much as I liked mechanical Campagnolo shifting and love Campagnolo wheels, I have a feeling this groupset will be Campagnolo killer…
feeling similar and i've been solely on campy since the late 80's and have had nearly every speed iteration including Ekar recently. I'm deciding what to use on a custom build i've been waiting on for a year and might just go with sram red which i just put on a gravel/cx bike in RED XPLR form.
Shifting to SRAM? How did they keep their chain on the rings long enough to test?😂
The power button on the campa shifters are only for transport. You don’t have to switch it off and on all the time.
Sram: single block cassette, same battery, satellite shift buttons.
Campy: crank and BB, front derailleur, brake/shift levers, brakes.
Summary: Campy for road bike, Sram for tt bike.
Which is the best? Second hand di2 for electronic. Second hand Dura ace for mechanical.
Campagnolo far superior in every aspect, especially looks
Campa should never have gone into that competition. They should serve the niche market of mechanic groupsets, rim brakes and aesthetics. The new E-SR is just ugly and not competitive. And I have to say this, as an absolute Campa Fanboy. 😢
Campag was like "Hey, sram, can I copy your groupset, it seems to be a sale success! But, I'm Campag, I can charge my 'history fee'" and that's how they killed themselves in electric groupset market
I do not find it reasonable to compare the functionality of a groupset which has been ridden for approx. 2 hours with a groupset ridden for years
I don't think they only did one ride on it, but even if they did and had such a bad experience with the shifting quality, imagine how would it perform after a few years when the components wear out…
Not a bad comparison, but for three out of the 10 criteria the verdict is solely based on personal preference. That could go the either way. What is obvious though is the insane price point of the Campy groupset. I don't get the strategy behind that.
singular: criterion, plural: criteria*
@@einundsiebenziger5488 fixed.
Both group sets get a 👎
not because they are poor quality , they are not . they are very high quality but so is the price.
There is a blind acceptance of almost anything the bike industry throws at the public , the dealers / mechanics , reviewers etc.
it is an almost sheep like acceptance of these things that is contributing to price of bicycles going higher and higher . What use to be an economical and efficient form of transportation has become a luxury for many .
There is absolutely nothing wrong with cable actuated derailleurs , mechanical disc brakes , aluminum frames as opposed to carbon etc .
i'm only hoping at this point that these things won't become obsolete , not because they aren't any good but because the manufacturers discontinue them to increase profits .
Some of this is due to a massive increase in wealth at the top end of the curve over the last 50 years. Compare 'high end audio'. Nowadays spending $1,000,000 on an audio system isn't all that uncommon. What's that to a tech billionaire? Just about anyone with a job could still buy the absolute top-end bike if they really wanted. Overall, I believe, things are actually getting cheaper, relatively speaking. Sure, the rich are now vastly wealthy, but the amount of work you have to do to afford say, a TV, is actually diminishing. I think the same is generally true in many if not all sectors. The exception would be housing I think. Anyway, back to bikes: you can build a fantastic bike for bugger all money if you get either a second hand frame or a no brand chinese and throw on some second hand parts. Some of the chinese parts are also starting to get quite good. On the other hand the 'look and feel' of the bike-buying experience has definitely changed over the last 30 years. Back when I started most bike shops had a certain look, and it was basically like a garage. The people also had a definite 'alternative /greenie/ pot-smoker' sort of vibe in many cases. Now shops look like high-end boutiques and the people have become stylish and snobbish bordering on arrogant. This is just part of a general societal shift, a pretty unpleasant one if I'm honest, where-in status and wealth signaling is, if possible, imbued and injected into every good and service.
Oh, the wind, the wind is blowing
Through the graves the wind is blowing
Freedom soon will come
Then we'll come from the shadows
Campagnolo 10 Sram 4
I have been riding Campy for 25 years. The loss of my thumb shifters is a fatal problem. I can't see myself continuing with Campagnolo without them.
I have 11 speed pre & post 2015 Chorus, 12 speed Chorus, Athena, SR eps ,H11 eps and now SR Wireless so obviously I like the thumb shifter especially as they suit my large hands. However I have to admit that the Wireless configuration is more accessible from the drops and hoods with the paddles always at your fingertips.
I stopped at SR 12 EPS DISC, not going to wireless Campy.. The SR12 is a godly groupset TBH, the smoothest, most silent operation out of any other groupset I've tested -- and I've tested them all
My gripe with Campagnolo is how much of their stuff is no longer Made-in-Italy. At one time they claimed everything but the electronic circuitry was made in Vicenza, but not anymore. If I want to buy Asian stuff I can buy it for less from Shimano while I wouldn't ride around the block on anything with SRAM's name on it.
Campag does a great job when it comes to wheels. I have a pair of Fulcrum and love them. This groupset ? 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Maybe the lukewarm reception at launch was largely due to the insane price.
…and the fact that it was a bit crap.
I have guys with electric shifters on my group ride, and some of them shift like morons. When they change gears under full load, it makes the pinball machine "clack" sound when you get an extra ball. On sharp 20-30 meter climbs, they approach on the large chainwheel and then die midway. Maybe it has to do with driving automatic cars all their life.
So this going north of $3500 while you can get Campy Chorus for $1,100 is fine with me.
Shimano 🤘🏻
Ftw! 🤘🏽
Not interested., can’t afford either. I will wait until they bring back a triple😊
Only 90% of the time does Campagnolo shift properly?! That's a non purchase immediately.
I think that is exaggerated. 98% wouldn't be good enough for me. If I ride stop and go traffic, I shift a lot.
ALL THESE OVER PRICED ELECTRIC GROUPSETS ARE NOT FOR REAL CYCLISTS ONLY BIKE SNOBS they re never worth the money asked for them !! THERE S MORE TECH IN RC s than this stuff for a fraction of the price !! And don't tell me they're unrelated because where do you think they get all bits from in the first place ?? SO FOR ALL YOU WHO WANT TO SELL THEIR MECHANICAL GROUPOS CHEAT GIVE ME BUZZ :)
A superficial comparison which felt biased ( usual Cycling Weekly where did the launch report get deleted to ? Very strange... ) Opinion rather than engineering and ergonomic facts... Lovely little negatives dropped in... Without bias we should support European business's rather than letter Asia continue to take our jobs and profits too... And no I have no desire to let any marketing men sell me an electronic groupset... Why would I ???
Campy not made in China though is it. Didn’t (couldn’t) test for durability.
DA 9200 is not there because will destroy the others on shifting(specially front shifting), weight, ergonomics and battery duration. 😁
But’s still Shimano so who cares? Campy or SRAM all day long.
Interesting. My experience was that SRAM was really cheap feeling compared to Campagnolo.
Sram is preferred a little bit too much - my test result in ratio is just 8: 6 for sram red. By my own I prefer Campagnolo super record because of being just available in a mechanical version - a additional point for Campagnolo !!!
If campagnolo is selling handbags, i think they will be very successful. 😊
How on earth would anyone give ergonomics to SRAM with that horrible one button shifting.
And aesthetics? Insane.
Also, SRAM has the least efficient chains out of the three groupset manufacturers.
"horrible one-button shifting"
Yeah, everyone hates simplicity and ease of use.
How is it horrible? I prefer it over Shimano. It is simple, works great, and I don't hit the wrong button when my brain has shut down.
@@bobmclennan1727 Ah yea, the simplicity and ease of use to simultaneously hit two buttons instead of having a dedicated button to shift up or down.
We can improve that even further by making a simultaneously left hand, right hand, left big toe and right pinkie toe switch action and slap a SRAM patent on that.
I didn't have a chance to get my hands on the new Super-Record, but from the shots it looks to me as the buttons on them are pretty much unrecognisable by feel. So you have dedicated buttons for upshifting and downshifting for each derailleur, but you won't recognize whether you're going to shift up or down. I'm not a big fan of Sram, but I am going to install the Rival AXS 1x on my CX bike for its ergonomics with the single button, my next road bike is surely gonna have a front mech and with that I'm sold on Shimano Di2.
@@jeskli11 I'm not a fan of the new SR Wireless shifters myself. SR EPS had the best shifter setup with thumb and index finger shifting.
I've been riding DA Di2 as well and it's okay with bare hands but I'm not sure how it would work out with gloves in winter time.
Campagnolo all the way, all the time. Campy's crank looks like a crank, Sram's crank looks like a cheap angle grinder with abuilt-in swastika.
So, what I want to know is what happened to the CULT bearings that came with SR EPS? This new SR Wireless only comes with the USB bearings, which were on the Record group from the last generation. Why the downgrade?
As someone had Super Record EPS & still has Record, Ekar, Chorus & Ultegra ... Super Record Wireless sounds like a miss opportunity
... a missed* opportunity
Well sram got one right. I have both, i still love campy.
And in the next video...Mavic Zap vs FSA wii 😁
Well I have both 🤷🏾♂️ but I’ve always been a campy man since 84
Great video. I love Campag but what are they doing. Super expensive and horrible looking compared to even Srams generally industrial look. Those tiny shifters don’t look easy to operate with winter gloves on. The braking sounds great on campy but to justify the cost is prohibitive. If I upgrade to wireless later for my all around bike I think it’s going to be sram force/rival 1 x. Just for its robust design. Come on campag. And the battery design surely sram have a copyright case.
Yes, the gloves issue or very cold hands at the end of a hard ride that went wet and cold. The sram button you could hit with your hand only functioning like a paw. Someone above noted how well the EPS "one control, one movement" worked and that's what I've liked about campy since the 90's ergopower.
I have sram red 1x xplr on a cx/gravel bike but it's the best of it without whatever supposed front mech issues or dual button shifting. For any 1x bike, you probably can't beat sram axs etap. I have axs on my mtn bikes too and it's been flawless for 1000's of hours.
I have Sram Force with the new chain ring but, I did switch the cassette to the Red 10/33, it's lighter and shifts better then the Force cassette 10/33. I don't race I only ride for pleasure and Sram Force is a pleasure to use, still trying to decide where to locate the Blip buttons I'm thinkin near the shifter hood ends.
New Force or old one pls?
@@userdjee834 New crank set, chain rings and crank arms shifts like Red now and 100 grams lighter.
@@KenSmith-bv4si Thanks, but did you swap the new Force cassette with Red, or the old Force cassette please? In other words, is the new Force cassette now on par with Red?
@@userdjee834 I switched cassettes for the lighter one(Red). I have an S-Works Aethos so lighter is always better, just like the chain ring & cranks.
@@KenSmith-bv4si Thanks, but I still don't know whether you had the old Force cassette, or the new Force cassette. A fascinating exchange..
im using Campa groups since the 80s and current amongst others the 2021 SR EPS. it will not be my choice for a next bike. I am disappointed from the shifting accuracy and from the very cumbersome connection to the campy app. The Di2 i use as well has got only one adjustment of the shifter in ten years whereas the Campy SR needs this almost every month. Campa is obviously losing the market here.
If they only made it for rim brake bike
I own DA so don't have a vested interest, but the aesthetics/styling was pure BS... You as a reviewer like a bold design language, but that's personal preference. Campag has a storied history of Italian styling and finesse, which continue in SR EPS. Saying it feels like a lower tier group because it's not bold when it's dripping with sculpted carbon and titanium is like saying a Ferrari feels like it's cheap because it doesn't have brash styling. You can say the styling doesn't appeal to you, but the rest is just spurious.
campa is made in italy what's with sram? is it made in usa? may be you want to support italian labor "manpower"
I shouldn't be this shocked with how expensive Super Record is.
How much did sram pay for this review,?
So, what we’re saying is, buy Shimano Di2. It’s better than both of them.
It is a terrible shame. I use Campy mechanical and always have done so, in the past the hood ergonomics and ultra shift made the groupset in my opinion a cut above the competition and worth the extra cost. If they decided to compete in the electric world then it has to be on that innovation that was the Campy trade mark. It feels like it has rushed out a groupset without the innovation that no one needs because they probably can't afford the innovation and then even that rush job has made the groupset overpriced. I think they should have saved their money and just refined what they had ...... an electric Ekar would have been a better option. Really sad and now with no presence in the pro-tour I think we are seeing the end to Campy as credible top end option. If I built a new dream bike I'd still put Campy on it, but definitely not this groupset. Oh dear.
No mamsss Bro Campagnolo por mucho mejor que esa cosa horrible de Sram , no cambio Campagnolo por Sram
Except the teams in the pro tour using Campag WRL were still using Shimano gearing ratios. So 🤷♂️
🤣🤣🤣Super Record price is a JOKE! 🤣🤣🤣 It's not even a game changer 💯
and the winner is Dura Ace
Compagnolo all the way
Now choose again without being an obsessed fanboy. 🤡
One would ask why Campagnolo doesn't innovate ... look at the fanbase I would answer.
When a fanboy doesn't watch the video and don't care about price vs. quality = Marketing works....on some.
Campagnolo*
F..k that. I prefer Campagnolo. Let's be honest EPS and mechanical shifting will take you further than SRAM. I am tired of watching cyclist with death batteries in a race or switching batteries in the middle of one.
campagnolo typical Italian strategy you should pay more cause they old Ahhah god luck
Campagnolo meglio perché c la fatto ci
You are highly irritating to watch and I actively avoid your videos as a result. And no disrespect, but your bias is palpable and likely sponsor funded. We all know the best of the best is and always has been Campagnolo. It is not even close. Those that disagree are those that comment on the price and likely cannot afford it.
Campagnolo crankset, identical to Dura Ace.
Campy. Not Campag.
Campag 👍
And a new Red is out in a few weeks 😬 I’m surprised Campag won any points at all. It would win best at being shit while costing more than the group set its copied 🤔 the Campag looks like a early prototype of a crap product. At this rate Campag will be going bankrupt 🤦🏻♂️
Is this even a question lol? Campy wireless is simply crap with almost doubled price compare to Red.
Based on ... what?
Have you ridden it? Until you have, you are trusting reviewers who generally have an agenda, stated or otherwise.
SR no more than ten percent more expensive than Red.
Ultegra 12s di2 > Red AXS > Campy SR wless
Wow, the Campagnolo Super Record is really dull looking. Not Italian at all.
This guy is a joke, how many miles does he have on his super record groupset?
Not true... Ofcourse a few personal points are specific to one person but a lot of things are factually true, for example: batterys, shifting, powermeter and simplicity... You cant argue with that
SRAM Red is clearly a Campag killer - it's way better. If they ditched the stupid 10t cassette and oddball chainrings (like they've had to do for the pro peleton) then Red would be a Dura Ace killer as well.
In addition to going back to a 16-teeth difference between chainrings, Srams also need to go back to making beautiful cranks. The first Red cranks (five-arm carbon) were a thing of beauty, its latest two iterations are just horrendous.
I don’t care I usé shimano
none of them. ultra expensive both . so , will stick to mechanical groupsets. electronic group sets are for sponsored athletes, most likely. not for the everyday rider ...