Renault Zoe 2019 - a long range road test in Sardinia | Fully Charged
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- Robert was very impressed by his first long drive in the new Renault Zoe. With a 52kWh battery pack and a range well over 240 miles on a charge, this is a perfect example of how electric cars are developing. So not only greatly increased range, but the general usability of the car thanks to a vastly improved interior makes the New Renault Zoe a very attractive proposition.
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"We want car parks with hundreds of chargers in, not one in the corner, with a green leaf painted on the floor."
Couldn't agree more.
I wish I could bitch about ICEing ...if we ever get chargers where I live, I will join the chorus ...
And the bay usually has a non electric car parked in it.
I wonder if different signage that says something like "THIS IS NOT A PARKING SPOT. ELECTRIC CHARGING ONLY" would work? I've also thought a device that pops up from the ground when the space is unoccupied by an electric vehicle would be great. It would take one extra step when you arrived at the charger...you'd have to get out, scan your charging card, the mechanical barrier would lower, then you drive into the space and charge. Wouldn't even take digging a hole in the ground. The device could be self contained and it folds up and down inside of a track of some sort. Could also be tied to an app with Bluetooth on your phone to lower the barrier when you arrive. Obviously it wouldn't raise again until the vehicle moved out of the space. Thoughts?
@@jeffh5903 Your idea could work, but there numerous issues to implement it. 1st is cost and complexity is relatively high. 2nd charging cards are not required with fast charging standards anymore, so they hopefully will be phased out. 3rd some parking facilitates may not want to designate a Parking Spot as EV only. And FYI, NFC tends to more secure than using Bluetooth. Nice thought but it doesn't seem that practical.
Simpler option is to create "charging islands"(or just 1) of parking spots with a charger at its center. It will be a square with 4 sides and about 3 or 4 spaces on each side. For total of 9 to 16 spaces for each charger. And place them way from the prime parking spaces. So less ICEVs would tend to use it. And no designated EV charging spots will be needed...on all but the most crowded days there will be no ICEing issues. It is a little less space efficient. Nothing perfect but its simple and lower cost option.
Also valet parking would make let charger be used at max efficiency. Or inductive charging plus autonomous parking. Few auto companies have autonomous parking even for parking garages, so this would just add charging and re-parking.
Thoughts?
@UCi_KIhw8UAVuznsMnSnUkBw My suggestion was for new (not retro fitting) chargers.And shopping centers, stores and restaurant like McDs usually have more parking than is needed so an charging Island could work. You also ignored the other issues like "charging cards" becoming obsolete.
But whatever works. Since there are no fast chargers withing 10 miles from me. And only 3 level 2 chargers and they are at dealerships so almost useless most of the time... I would be happy with more chargers, even if they would get ICEd sometimes....
So its a little amusing when the BEV owners (ie charging Gestapo) treat PHEVs using chargers as being ICEd.... they think they should get 1st charging rights..its a 1st come 1st use world....just ask nice in an emergency instead of making demands IMHO...but to each their own...
245 mile range and a 22 kWh charger, brilliant!. With its size, this is a great urban car; but now with a great range, it’s better than many more expensive EVs. This is an elegant sensible car that will fly off the shelf. Bravo Renault!
Yup - seems like a nice compromise between a 'cheap' city car, and one with enough range for occasional days out etc. Probably not suited to hammering up and down the motorways every day as a rep-mobile (although it's more than just charging that counts against it there :p), but it's not 'confined' to the city the way some other cars are, nor it is that expensive.
Geoff Willingham It’s still expensive if you look pre-grant. No Govt incentives in Australia. It would have to be coal powered to qualify LOL
@@mondotv4216 Which is probably why it's EU only, at least for now
Geoff Willingham we have the 42kWh Zoe so I see no reason why they won’t sell the 52kWh here. Probably not until next year though.
I don't like the terms "city" and "urban" car. In fact in many places you can't drive anymore in cities.
And these car are so efficient for big daily mileage.
They are very interesting in country / suburban usage and even semi-long daily highway usage.
CONGRATULATIONS!
Between "Juice gap" and "miles per bladder" you've coined *everything* we need to know regarding EV economy!
You are indeed the Guru of efficiency!
😁
So WTF is Bobby's name? Guru Llewellyn!? xD
Loved this video, finally we are seeing reality, cars for the masses. Renault so brilliant, doing their part with plastic and battery recycling = BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still rocking the 22kwh version of the Zoe. Its just a great car.
runs out of range before you get down the street? LOL
Um no. Going to work 25km one way every day. No Problem. Charging at work is free. Never Charge at home. Ultra cheap.
@@user-in1gn6fw2eab Still rocking my Renault Fluence ZE with 22kwh battery. Built in 2012 and still looking like new. Mine does 4.4 miles per kwh, so despite the battery losing 20% since new it gives 75 miles range (and thats in hilly Wales) Its bigger than the Zoe, of course. In fact its bigger than the Tesla 3 too, and better looking.
Same. Got around 150-160km per charge during the summer. Last winter was about 130km but I've changed to better tyres so interested to see how it'll be this winter.
Me too! Would much like this new one though! :)
"The driving skills of other journalists" is one of the reasons why they write so much nonsense about the range of electric vehicles. These are the same people who call a useless piece of plastic on the back "diffuser" or pay the most attention to the fart function in a Tesla.
Troll?!?
Read it more carefully. No. Just rightly angry.
There are trolls under every bed.
I tend to agree. I used to buy ‘car magazines’ when I lived in the UK and LJK Setright was always enjoyable to read...but in terms of most motoring journalists, the quality of their writing rarely matched LJK and I found myself at odds with what most of them think are the important attributes of a car. For example..Japanese cars they invariably find have inferior handling compared to VW’s, Fords etc. whereas I always found them comfortable and reliable..their ‘handling at the limit’ as the denizens of motoring journalism bang on about was never of any interest to me. Having owned the Kia e-Niro for 6 months and 12,000 km now I can only say its the best car I’ve ever had. The electric motor is inherently superior to the ICE providing better performance in all categories..the only thing they have left to cling to is their bizarre love of the noise and the smell of burnt and often unburnt hydrocarbons
Use your Brain but then again they are representative of most people’s driving skills. The vast majority doesn’t know what efficient driving is so their range will be closer to what those clueless journalists get.
I have a cold and I am stuck at home! It was a pretty miserable start of the day... but this video brought smile on my face once more. I have been in Sardinia many times and I am a proud owner of the first generation Zoe. The commentary of this marvelous car on a background of much loved beaches was a short holiday for me. Many thanks to all the @fullychargedshw team!!
I love the "fleet" of Zoes. What a beautiful place and thank you for the tour
Love the way how you breakdown every detail while reviewing. Like that range per kilowatt
Distance per kW/h really is what people should be encouraged to focus on more than just raw total range. People don't buy combustion cars based obsessively on how many litres/gallons the fuel tank can hold - I bet most people don't even know, yet they can tell you about MPG! Hopefully this shift will happen soon now that long-range EVs are steadily becoming more commonplace.
@@SmallBlogV8 *Distance per kWh.
That range is really just perfect (at least for me). Enough to do even longer journeys with quick charging.
The Zoe has 'come of age.' This is a very significant car. Superb.
i love that you youse metric units!!
Well done Renault again. As usual Fully Charged is the best with its reviews and banter. A real mix of EVs. Excellent.
The sheer quality of this show is just mind blowing.
First class explanation-best I have heard for a long time
Thank you for the wonderful review!! :)
Looks like a great, practical EV! 😊👍🏼
Red Dwarf is on Netflix ... Love this guy.
I bought my last Zoe after watching your R90 video and this might be the same. Per chance did you test something we Zoe owners are all wondering about. Can you start the pre conditioning from the remote. On the current Zoe you can turn on the heating or cooling from the remote. This is a very cool feature which we are suspicious might be missing on the new car. would be good to know. As always, love the show
Great video Rob, shame you don't get much time in the cars on these press days. You can't show everything in such a limited time, but what you do is entertaining and informative.
Keep up the good work and I hope to see a more in depth review later in the year!
Fully Charged is now so well made, it's no longer 'a video', they are programmes, shows, episodes, everything we used to watch TV for. Great work FC team! And I like the car too..
METRIC for ever. Thanks
Johnnyxp64 Quite right. Give ‘em an inch and they ‘ll take mile.
Johnnyxp64 METRIC INCH X INCH. Dump MILES, INCHES, FEET, FOOT GALLONS US and IMPERIAL. And get of FLUID OUNCE!!! ASP! HERE IN AMAZING THAILAND, South East Asia we still wait for more EVs In the meantime VOLVO XC60 T8 hybrid:* Bangkok-Johnnie CarSanook Media* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
Leasing the battery and keeping it with the same shape is just genious. If they allow swapping the battery on the same lease when a more energy-dense one comes around, that will be monumental!
Totally agree
Great review (as ever!!!). Lovely looking scenery and a great looking car. Renault seem to have improved in all the right places over the already very good ZE40. Thanks again for one of your very entertaining reviews (juice gap - very technical).
You guys are awesome....both yourself Rob and Johnny make great videos and always look forward to the next episode
im based in Melbourne, AUS.... and its so frustrating that the government isn't doing enough to help establish electric cars down under.
Keep up the great work !!!! :)
I can't believe it. I was there and wondering about the " strange" license plate for Sardinia. It was an extraordinary sunny and hot week for mid September.
I honestly really like it. Very tempted to get one as it is actually really cheap. A used one in a year will be a real bargain
It's always been a pleasure to have your pleasant and friendly presence in the show, Mr. Lewellyn.
Thanks. Quite an interesting and fun report! I would have just like to see a little more of that beautiful location!
Robert, I can't get over how well you've improved your production values for your videos. Would it be possible on ReGen to do a "behind the scenes" video, where you show how the video sausage is made?
We will be ordering a Aconite GT Line Renault Zoe to replace our 2018 Dynamique Nav ZE40 - I was tempted by the ID3 until I saw the horrible dashboard so this will be our 3rd Zoe we still have a 2013 22kw Dynamique Zen with 82,000 miles
Lovely
Why even bother with environmental friendly cars if you are getting a new one every year ?
@@XerxesGustav the used one will be sold to somebody else, maybe it saves them having to buy a brand new one.. plus more new electric cars need to be sold to aid the switch from ICE's
Trolls think 2013 was last year .... LMAO
@@XerxesGustav true
A great video well presented and I was not jealous that much. It seems Renault have really got to grips with their car design and performance and a great range. Overall the Zoe is now really an amazing car. Looking forward to when I can upgrade.
Great video guys 👍🏻
When Renault will give Dacia old Zoe and sell it with start price 10k, the electric car sales will go boom :)
Sandero E would be great or even a hybrid
Perhaps when Zoe change to a new platform in ~2023. Before then perhaps Dacia will sell a European version of the Chinese made K-ZE.
@@rif42 call it the Dust-E
Agree - but VW's Skoda and SEAT could do that too - but VW Group only wants to sell *expensive* long-range EVs like the Audi e-tron or the Porsche Taycan.
Paul G
@@evukelectricvehicles VW also sell E-Up, 260 km WLTP for ~20K €. Same car also from Skoda and Seat.
What I love about this channel is, if this was a review for an ICE Clio or Yaris I wouldn’t be watching it. And I’m a die hard petrol head but I think the masses need to go EV and leave the nice ICE cars to the enthusiasts.
I believe that EVs will be adopted by "the masses" in the next few years. With so many big manufacturers developing exciting ranges of EVs, we are just waiting for the prices to come down.
same mate.
I want petrol cars to exist, just not for doing the school run and getting the weekly shop.
My Audi A4 gains nothing by being ICE.
A Lotus Elise or KTM X-Bow is amazing and should be able to exist for ever.
As battery density goes up there is no need for petrol other than sentimentality. Electric is much more responsive, petrol will seem very clunky and like farm machinery in comparison.
@@kentonian Exactly, like a horse is no longer a valid transport method but we still have them, just not everywhere and not for daily use.
ICE will be the horse of the next century.
You are converting me to electric car ownership, good information 👍
I like that it tells you how much regen is putting back. My egolf does it but burried in a menu on the main screen
A decent car just got better. Range is excellent. Charging capability is adequate.
Financially it remains a long term proposition in the sense that it is expensive for the segment but with long term ownership it will end up costing the same or cheaper than an ICE equivalent. It also appears that currently The Zoe does not depreciate badly.
Lovely car, I do admire an affordable EV like this far more than yet another hyper-expensive car that mere mortals can't afford (hi Porsche!). It's a lot more impressive to make an affordable EV than a "money is no object" supercar.
I've yet to use a fast charger in my electric Kona, I just top it up at home from a regular wall socket, or at friends and I've not run out of juice yet. But I will admit to being very smug when (twice now!) driving past ICE drivers with a jerrycan, trundling back from a petrol station. :)
Just be careful. A normal wall socket and cabling is not designed for long periods with high currents. Potential fire hazard.
If you're using modern wiring, you really should be absolutely fine, your circuit breakers won't allow you to pull a current larger than 13A in the UK just so long as you aren't running it through thin guage wire from said outlet via say a cheap thin extension cord
And when exactly did porsche make affordable cars? rather strange complaint :) WV is for that not Porsche.
I too admire an affordable EV. Sadly in my market, Australia, that doesn't exist. The cheapest EV is the Hyundai Ioniq EV, at about $50k AUD. This is not affordable for the masses. Your Kona is $65k AUD, over $10k more than the ICE Kona Highlander. More needs to be done to bring these cars to parity in price with their ICE counterparts, therefore the Zoe priced the same as the Clio, for example.
Hello Stuart! We like the people who keep fully charged fully charged.
Thank you for comparing your fuel efficiency compared to other drivers. It gives a much clearer idea on the true fuel efficiency of the car. I often wonder what mileage I will get compared to journalists, but consider myself a more fuel efficient driver.
That said, I live in a mountain city and have both highway and city driving to take into the equation.
I think the Zoe is a good, realistic and practical option for many.
Robert, if you haven't done so already, I think an in-depth video on fuel efficient driving would be great. Think acceleration, gears, incline, decline, braking etc. There seems to be a lot of misconception about high vs. low gears in the US especially.
6:18 At just over 4m in length, the Zoe is really a "B"-segment vehicle, like the Clio, Polo, and Fiesta. The Leaf would be a better example of a C-segment, as that's significantly larger.
Indeed the Zoe is absolutely tiny. For me at 1m86 it turns out to be a 3 person car.
@@cbflazaro No. It is just what happens when you adjust the size of the drivers seat to somebody my size. There is barely20 cm left until the back seat, which makes you can't fit anybody there really anymore. Turning the back seat in a one person affair. No way you fit 3 people sideways there anyway, unless they are under 10. Which is why the Zoe was the first scrapped of my list when I went to check it out as I need seating for 4 people.
They're getting bigger by the minute! I remember the Clio being a subcompact.
That's amazing how far this car has advanced in a relatively short time, the range of modern electric cars is not much of an issue and the cost is getting better. I suspect EVs will soon be the popular option.
Keri Ford I agree with you. So many big manufacturers are developing exciting ranges of EVs. These vehicles are inherently simpler to manufacture. Prices will soon be coming down.
@@andrewdavidson7951 They still very impractical for longer travels and pretty much useless for load. It's about twice travel time for EV because of deviations for best charging, time to recharge, delays in wait, etc. I absolutely like it how it's coming thou, but it seems it will take major breakthrough to get closer to ice car convenience
tallll70 Agree. The amount of energy onboard an electric car is much smaller than in a tank of fuel so we would need significant breakthroughs in batteries and infrastructure to get ICE convenience when travelling long distances. Heavy haulage also a problem but it works on railways!
The focal point of this camera is on point.
This trip was great with this percent of battery. I like it! 🙂
Was sat behind a Zoe today, surprised to see incandescent brake lamps!
Zoe 50 has full LED lights.
I grew up in Daventry. I defy you to find a Small town with a better selection of charity shops and estate agents!
I can also confirm that I am getting 4.7 - 4.8 m/Kw driving my Ze40 through the rolling countryside around the Daventry area, and the sun is shining, so maybe it would serve well as a place to launch the next Renault EV 😀
Bob Collins Top of Borough Hill for a decent view, or maybe The Country park?
Daventry looks lovely guys
with the music... i was expecting Robert to bust into song with a chorus line bursting in like a Busby Berkeley movie, which would have been awesome!
I actually get allways near the WLTP range of 300 km with my Zoe, sometimes even 320 :)
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love the competition
We have driven our ZE40 (in the same blue) for 2 and a half years, 25.000 km, and it‘s brilliant. We practically only charge at home with up to 22 kW, but mostly with 11 kW renewables. We generally aim to a SOC between 20 and 80%. At 100% SOC we still get 320 km of range announced in summer.
By the way: of course we still bike a lot and NEVER fly. 😁
Absolutely superb film making, I am always impressed, worthy of any TV motoring show (in the world). What I cannot understand is there are 6 people who clicked the dislike button, why? were you not loved as children?
We're 2018 Zoe 40 owners and it's almost perfect for our needs, so I'm super excited about this. Our three gripes with the current model:
1. 22kw AC charge is good for AC, but not great as the highest option. 50kw CCS and the bigger battery will be game-changing for us.
2. The current interiors have some leather in them, which was a difficult moment as my wife is vegan - all the eco credentials of the new interior are amazing (and it looks better)
3. And this really is the killer: The automated traffic light / speed limit / camera alerts which you cannot switch off completely. Every junction in London triggers it, and interrupts any music or radio you have on in some way. The premium trim comes with a big chunky bose system in the boot, but you can't enjoy the experience you've paid for without these frequent cut-outs. It's not the rest of the screen stuff, which looks like it was conceived in 1998, because most 2018 cars are like that. But this one 'helpful feature' is the single most annoying thing in the whole car and we have considered cancelling our lease many times because of it. It's so persistently intrusive and aggravating.
If someone else is able to get a ride in one of these new ones, could you have a play with the screen and gps system to see if gripe #3 is still an issue? If they have solved it I'll be on my way to the Renault dealer before I've finished reading your comment.
If you’re talking about the beeping? Use the volume to turn the sound down within 1 second of a speed alert beep.
Amazing car. Love it..send then to Grenada for some mountain testing
I really like your video! Hope to meet you somewhere around the world!
I will have you know Mr. 65 Percent, Daventry is lovely (and hilly).
Ouch!
Re the standing start acceleration, this is something that you get plenty of in the Kona electric in sport mode, but it's often so much torque that the wheels just spin all over the place. Wheel spin is basically guaranteed if there is a drop of water on the road. I don't mind a jot but it's actually much more practical to drive in Eco and have the car measure out its acceleration more carefully, like the Zoe appears to do here at 17:50.
Or you could get a car with traction control. Why anyone is building an electric car without it, is beyond me.
CorwynGC
Agreed
The Kona says it has traction control. There is a button to turn it off and everything.
It doesn't stop the wheel spin on a quick take off :/
The tyres my Kona came with don't help with full-power standing starts, because they're so hard. But if you're not matting it, it's not a problem.
Tom De Mulder
Agreed
Like I said, it's no problem for me. I love the car to bits. It's just a thing to be aware of. A bit like how it charges off in a semi random direction if you boot it in sport mode. It has a whole "wild horses" vibe in sport mode. It's fun, but not for the feint hearted.
And there's an easy remedy. Switch down into Comfort or Eco.
Nice scenery Rob, and car, but will you be testing the new MG ZS ev very soon? Would appreciate that very much! Thanks.
Renault need to have a word with some of their dealers. My mum in law wanted to have a test drive of a Zoe. She was told she would only be able to see it and certainly wouldn't be able to do what she wanted to do, which was a 10-15 mile round trip on a stretch of motorway to see what the actual consumption will be on the sort of journey she'd be likely to do (Canterbury to Nottingham and then to the North East). She was told "we don't do that sort of thing" so she walked away and will not return.
I can’t wait to buy a Honda E in a few years when the lease on my Diesel car is up this is definitely a second choice for me now its a 20 mile round trip to work for me so I could go all week without charging basically.
People always over estimating, how fare they are driving every day.
For 99% of all trips an electric car with that range is fully ok.
On my 8 kw battery in my Prius Prime I get 35miles from 1 charge, so I almost make it to work and back(40 miles) for people's average commute or to go to the city for the day most electric cars are fine. If you go on a lengthy car trip, plan ahead! I wish we had more chargers in my area. None are in convenient areas. Most have been put up by business for employees. I do have one in my town that is free to charge from electric company
"Juice Gap" will forever onward be part of the EV lexicon.
Saftlücke - even sounds funny in German
Great vid. How about doing a vid on the various home battery storage solutions -- compare makes, features, capacities, *prices*, and prices per kWh of storage. Not just the Tesla Powerwall, but as many of the various competitors you can get to participate? Just a suggestion....
Wow! So affordable compared with all the other EV offerings out there. But those of us in America are left with the Leaf and it’s charging and battery management issues and the Bolt with it’s quality issues. I wish Renault would return to the US market. Thanks for another great video!
Nissan is Renault.
I wish Renault would come to the US market. I would love to buy one of these.
You have some Renault cars in the US. They just come with the Nissan badge.
they not the same... but both is air cooled batteries....so who cares... when there a better options....
You have Nissan Leaf made in Smyrna, Tennessee. That's your Renault.
go ask Carlos Ghosn so he explain why Nissan is not the same as Renault...
Are you ever going you ever going to review the MG ZS EV?
This is a very nice looking car, good improvement on the battery as well as the range, i think Renault is getting it right and they are making their way to the great future in the electric market, for me the range is everything.
Zoe is a great little car. The problem is that they have no EV in Segment C or D. They used to have the Fluence ZE but no replacement for this car has appeared.
Nice review.
The issue with battery rental was and is it puts buyers off going electric as people assume the car maker is ripping them off in some way ( I believe they are but that is not as important as what they assume). The other question that needs answering in the first minute of the review is what's the thermal management system is because if its not active liquid cooling it needs to go on the advise to avoid list.
It's the same active air cooled system linked to the air con they've always used which works very well and is certainly not a reason to avoid.
The battery lease is a choice, if you think its a rip off you buy the battery...how is this so hard to grasp?
@@tooneychris if it was choice at the start but the must rent option they started with damaged there image for a very long time. I still get people telling me you have to rent the batteries most times the Zoe is mentioned and air cooling is a reason not to by the car, Nissan and co need to understand this and make the change
@@alanrickett2537 Nissan is passively cooled though, Renault use an actively cooled forced air system. Remember the cells are pouches too not cylinders like Tesla use so act like a heat sink. There have been no cases of throttling due to heat that I am aware of so "if it ain't broke..."
@@tooneychris thanks for the information, backs up the need for them to address it with in the review :-)
If people know what's good for them, Renault will sell massive numbers of these cars.
They want to produce 150.000/year and they are manufactured in France :)
...and not screw over people on servicing, warranty and repairs. In Australia that seems unlikely
Just about to buy one in France. Will lease batteries because of good Assistance cover included. For second hand Zoe’s at moment Renault France is offering promo of 1euro a month for 12 months for leasing batteries, but I want the new one! Another great video, thanks.
Great vid, thanks! Recently took delivery of a Kia Optima PHEV company car. Amazed at the amount of time I travel just on pure electric and how sublime the powertrain is. Am sorely tempted to trade in my old petrol city runabout for this new Zoe.....And to get an electric motorcycle!!!
What about heating when driving electric? Does the Kia Optima have a heat pump?
@@rif42 No, it uses an Intelligent Heating System, according to Kia...
@@simonthomas5367 So can you confirm, that it does have electric heating and it does NOT require to start the gasoline engine to heat the cabin (sadly earlier that was the case).
@@rif42So far I've managed about 70-80km using just electric, including the aircon (up to 110kmh which is impressive). Sometimes the petrol engine kicks in first thing in the morning if I've left the aircon on and the battery is around a quarter but its not systematic. I don't have a long drive to work so one charge a week has been enough, and I'm lucky to have a charge point at work. I filled up 3 weeks ago and still have half a tank. Pretty impressive. And seamless to drive.
They won't sell this in the US but it's interesting to see what's going on in Europe. Kind of disappointed that the efficiency seems a bit lower than the Kona given that it looks smaller, although it's still decent efficiency. But it's also cheaper. It definitely raises the bar on the entry-level for sure.
I'm really pleased to see this segment starting to warm up. The Zoe is going to be up against competition price wise, the new VW should be competitive and the MG ZS is at about £21,000 ($25,700) including tax incentives.
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The Kona's engineers must be wizards.
@@stefans4562 There is no doubt that Hyundai makes incredibly efficient cars, but I doubt it is because they are wizards.
According to them the magic comes from Hyundai being the only car manufacturer with their own steel works, which gives them access to low weight ultra-high strength steel, that allows them to make designs that are lighter than similar cars without sacrificing safety.
By the way the Kona is not the most efficient EV from Hyundai, as that honour currently goes to the Hyundai IONIQ electric, which has been reported going 3.9 miles(6.28 km) per kWh, on its 28 kWh battery, by independent reviewers.
Great a car we can ....nearly afford!
What is the sound track to this episode ?
Great episode ...Many Thanks
Thanks for the great review Robert. I love the progress of the batteries over the years, and in the same footprint - amazing. 22kW AC is excellent. My 2018 Leaf only does 7kW on AC. Our local Aldi has 22kW chargers and it's annoying to only be able to use 7kW of that 22. On the other hand, as others have said, the 50kW on DC seems paltry at this point. I guess we can never have it all, can we?
Tom Raftery I’d be interested to know why you would need to use a local charger since your battery would always be full when you left home each morning?
Good review. Too bad Renault doesn't sell cars in the US.
See you in Austin!
Only Citroen had a shot success in the US during the 60s... other French car manufacturer never suceeded. And then, I find the US car market to be quite close, with mostly american made car, when in Europe, at the exception of Ford, there is not many American cars (not counting non US companies possessed by GM)
You are lucky you don't have Renault in the U.S.
@@maxant4285 Renault is a great car maker making affrodable cars for everyday people, while still giving out the possibility to have premium luxury cars like the Talisman
@@arthemis1039 Renault is a mediocre car maker.
@@maxant4285 that's why mercedes and volvo uses their engines ?
Zoe is a B segment car not a C segment car. Clio/Zoe is B segment, Megane is C segment
Great Video, again! Thank you guys . One suggestion. I am missing more and more a word or two on seating position. I know it is a very individual theme but on the other hand simple: am I sitting "on" or more integrated "in" the car? I know the answer is "find out by yourselves" , but it would be nice to give a hint. Thanks for listening again: I would love to support your work by using my brave browser and giving bat tokens. Maybe you find the time/interest to look into this. Thanks.
oh lucky you, sardinia ,, i would love to holiday their :)
The car companies always showcase their cars in hot twisty mountainous areas for battery and lifestyle purposes. I’d be more impressed if they promoted then on a motorway on cold rainy Scottish day.
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TeslaBjorn has made that review. :-)
I think on the motorway on a cold rainy Scottish day then 200 miles would be about tops for the 52Kwh Zoe.....Which is still pretty damn good.
Agreed, and the Zoe was still nice and clean at the end of the trip! I did a 90 mile round trip on UK roads in the rain yesterday and now my car looks like a cow pood all over it 😁. By the way, I got 4.1mpkWh, not 3.25
The Zoe isn't really designed for long range motorway driving, and in my experience, it doesn't handle it too well. The range really drops quite significantly under those conditions. You can probably cut the range by a third on a long motorway trip. Half if you drive at 70mph.
@@bujin1977 Hmm, not really. At 70 mph the range will be cut by a third, not half.
"For global prices and battery lease options please see the link in the description" - I don't think any of the links in the description covers this?
The day when the recycling of packs has been sorted and then availability to swap out or upgrade packs to preserve the longevity of the car separate to and in conjunction with a swappable pack 👍👍👍
I have had a ZE40 for over two years and bought the battery. To do the mileage I do leasing the battery would have been £79 per month. My main problem with battery lease is that I have been told by dealers that selling a used car with a standing charge is more difficult even if it doesn't cost much to fill up. If you buy the battery there is an eight year warranty too. You are correct about chargers as always. If destination chargers were ubiquitous then range would be far less important, the Zoe's can do nearly all the return trips I do without charging though.
Nice to here owners first hand experience. How many miles
Do you do, is it a daily commute. Although people think this is a city car, to me it would make a great commuter car.
@@kentonian I don't commute but it is my only car. I bought it March 2017 and it is now nudging 18k miles. If I drive economically summer range is 190 miles. The furthest journey I have done in a day is 370 miles, that involved two one hour stops to charge but at least the chargers were free so the whole journey only cost £5. I bought a three pin plug charger earlier this year and that means if I visit a relative about 100 miles away I don't have to stop anywhere else to charge. The ZE50 will be even more practical. I really like driving the Zoe, never going back to petrol.
A pity how electric cars are not affordable outside of First World countries. I'd love to have a Zoe as a daily driver but it costs a bomb here in Malaysia.
Same with Australia. It's only now I do see a 'Eco car' in Australia. They are very expensive.
I was expecting you to say "I'm just going to engage smug mode" after phone started charging inductively
He did enter smug mode but failed to say so this time ;)
I love this new new gen Zoe`s looks, it looks so much better than the previous model, not that the old one looks bad, this just looks better.
The exterior looks the same. Interior in the new one is MUCH better.
Great review Robert! The charging properly explained too. Will suffice for 80% users.
Just hoped it would top 100DC just cause it secures the coming years with competition.
No doubt the DC charging speed will let it down when compared to some of the competition, like the Hyundai Kona Electric, Peugeot e-208 and Opel e-Corsa, even if the reality will be that most trips taken in the four cars will be done without the need to visit a quick charger.
What will sell it is the significantly lower price point, especially with battery lease, for a car of its size. Compared to the VW e-Up, Seat Mii electric and Skoda Citigo iV this will be a nice upgrade costing not to much more, but delivering a better range and more space.
Is the best place for a charging port right up front? The most common impact point? Even in a light collision could make it unchrgable 🤔
I keep thinking that. I am assuming that car manufacturers keep going down that route because of the amount of incompetent drivers who can't reverse into a space or up to a charger. Still don't see why they just don't adapt the fuel filler cap.
Putting my cynical hat on, maybe this is their 'solution' to the low service costs for EVs: design the cars so that even 'minor' incidents need expensive repairs at their service centres?
Geoff Willingham could be. I’d expect it to be written off and burst into flames thou if crashed hard enough 😂
Martin Davidson yer maybe. I exclusively reverse park. It just seems the logical choice 😄
@@UNITGJ It certainly is the logical choice, Better maneuverability when parking and much clearer visibility when leaving the parking spot.
Why forward for reverse and reverse for forward? Somewhat counterintuitive no?
That’s normal for any automatic (strangely)
@@V96GLF Huh. I'd never thought of that!
The Leaf is the same, it is strange!
It make sense when compared to sequential transmission manuals, as I am more familiar with. To change up a gear as you accelerate, you pull back, to change down as you decelerate, you push forward, and eventually into neutral, then reverse. Those automatics that let you optionally shift gears yourself always peeved me because they are backwards. Forward for up, backward for down.
Because when you go forward, you get pushed back. In reverse, your arm goes forward. That's how I memorized sequential transmissions, and it makes sense because it uses the Gs of the car.
I wish we had that 1 green leaf painted parking spot in the parking lots to charge in my area....the only public chargers here are at car dealerships and they are just level 2 chargers..
What many people don't understand about driving a car efficiently is that it is NOT about driving slowly and in a dull way, it about understanding the physics and engineering of the technology. It is about driving in a predictive way and positively - ie accelerate at about 20-30% power in a diesel or 15-20% power in a petrol car which you will find is actually quite rapid. You will feel this point on the accelerator when you get used to the car. A predictive way mean reading the road, understand the road marking which means you don't need the brakes except at junctions. I generally get the manufactures mpg on cars once I get used to them, and I drive in a positive way - not slowly, I am never at the front of a queue of traffic.
I am still learning the most efficient way to drive my (new to me) plug in hybrid as electric motors have a different characteristics, but for me it so much nicer driving on electric and just the driving experience alone is way better.
would be great if all petrol stations had fast chargers
don king much rather coffee shops or supermarkets. Big oil has had enough of my money thank you very much. 👍
I would like to have charging stations at natural walks that would be cool. Orjust reststops
@@blackmore_s would still be really convenient. If I'm going for a big shit and a coffee, I'm still topping up my range.
I couldn't give a toss if theres a petrol pump a few yards away.
@@blackmore_s Some of the oil companies own companies that provide charging points/stations. BP own Polar in the UK one of the major suppliers of charging points around.
I’ve charged at the odd shell garage. It’s boring AF.
Renault: pick a car
Journalist: guess I’ll take the blue one
I like that they put the charging port in the front.
I'd prefer the charging port at a corner, to give you more flexibility in parking near a charger, particularly if it's been ICEd
I don't - I'd prefer on a wing or similar (front or rear) - less likely to get damaged in a minor shunt (the type that might crack the bumper but not otherwise impact its ability to drive) - if the charger is damaged, then the car is useless - and a big repair / insurance claim, for what otherwise might have been just a replacement bumper.
Thank you for putting the figures into the reviews :)
If my current finance agreement was closer to its renewal, I'd be putting my name down for one now. My current consideration would be between this or the VW I.D3. Love the review!
3:33 Dude, you are in Sardinia, not England. Drive on the right! ;)
Must say I really prefer Robert's drive reviews over Jonny's (love Jonny's too but they remind me a bit too much of fossil car reviews). Keep sharing the task between the two of you please.
I like them both for different reasons, I enjoy the humor from both of them, but Jonny's car reviews are more fun but nowhere as informative, Robert's are the ones to base buying decisions on.
I haven’t owned a car for over ten years now, but I may be in a position to need one soon. This or the Kona have most of my attention at the moment.
The comparison in terms of kWh for petroleum cars and electric cars is the biggest advantage for the electric cars
If we burned the petroleum for electricity it would still be more efficient to drive an electric one versus a petroleum one.
Thank you, superb video.
Proud to be french :)