WHY WOULDN'T YOU BUY A USED RENAULT ZOE IN JULY 2023?
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- EV prices are at an all time low which is great news if you're looking for a second hand bargain - but is the Renault Zoe the one for you?
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00:00 Intro
01:49 The Three Models
03:09 Charging
04:20 Euro NCAP
07:06 Battery Lease - let's talk about it!
10:10 Bottom of the Market ZE22
11:00 Little more is worth it
11:20 Battery Owned for not much more
12:37 ZE40
12:42 They're all £7995!
13:48 ZE50
14:05 Auction Bargains?
14:39 Shut Up and Take My Money
15:40 Approved Used Reassurance
16:25 Outro - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Making this video spurred me on to put my money where my mouth is - check it out!
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A little bit niche, but despite its size the Zoe will transport a full-size wheelchair with all the seats in place. It does require the parcel shelf to be removed but the boot is so deep it will stand upright and leave you with all the seats usable (and still have rear vision),
Wow!
Thanks. That's actually a very good piece of insight and useful for those of us with relatives who require wheelchair
18 reg ZE40 owner. 45 mile a day commute for work on normal roads, very little urban driving. The Zoe achieves 160 in the summer and last winter about 120 miles. Now on 68k, driven 20k in two years of ownership. According to Autotrader the car is worth 5k trade, 6.5k private sale. At the start of the year it was worth about 8k. In a world of rising prices the Zoe is an absolute steal.
I bought a 6 month old Zoe ZE50 three years ago from my local Renault dealer. It's now driven almost 70k miles and has been a fantastic buy. No noticeable battery degradation and the range still compares well to the latest small EV models.
Where it is beginning to look dated is the max DC charging speed of 50kW, although the ability to charge at 22kW AC has been useful on several occasions!
Battery lease was discontinued before ZE50 was launched. So all ZE50's should be battery owned. CCS was an optional extra on 2020 models, but became standard from 2021.
Well in Sweden was battery lease possible up to the 2022 model. I have a ZE50 R135 (that actually gives 110kW on some occasions) with a battery lease.
We have a ZE50 and we love it and would encourage anyone to at least have a test drive. It's our main car which is mostly used for work commute and trips out and weekends away. It's a very deceptive car as it looks smaller than it is. Theres's plenty of head room. I generally charge it at home 90% of the time and it's charged on only an 8amp charge everyother night with a £130 charger from amazon. I'd never go back to a normal car.
I own a ZE 40 in Madeira (warm climate but very hilly) 4 years old 62,000 km a range of 250,000 km. No problems from new
When I first started driving head restraints were not available. Wearing seat belts were optional. Seatbelts were fixed. No airbags, no crumple zones. Because of my budget being unable to see the road through the floor was optional. Brakes were drum all round without assistance. No ABS. I never worried and never felt unsafe. The Zoe to me is fine. ZOE R135, 2020. 208 miles in summer, 155 in winter.
People did die a lot more in accidents though.
@@ObiePaddles Especially if they don't wear seat belts - it was precisely because Americans weren't using the fitted seat belts that airbags were first introduced.
@@ObiePaddlesYep. But driving was a lot, lot more fun in the 1960s
Got a 2020 50kWh… range really depends on so many things. But driven correctly, and economically. 200 miles is easily achievable in summer. But that’s from 100% down to about 10%. Much better to keep it above 25% to save any anxiety, then you’re talking 170 stress free miles before you need to think about recharging.
Winter you’re talking 180 and 150 respectively.
My wife has a ZE 40. Wouldn’t change it for anything. Downside , no DC charging, normal Renault quirks but upside, very reliable, just get in and go. Great for around town, local distances up to 220 Kms, but finding AC charging away from home is not so easy. Very economical at 13/14 Kwh/ 100kms. We charge on 8 or 16A supply with no probs. One hour of charge will give 15/30 Kms of range. As we have one free hour of power every day, we run the car for virtually nothing! BTW we live in New Zealand! Best Country in the world!
We've looked at moving there, but it also seems to be the wokest place in the world, bar Canada. What say you?
@@barryfoster453
@@barryfoster453 You can stay in your right wing Utopia- wherever you are. No one wants immigrants like you anyway.
Really useful review and saves lots of time if you dont understand all the different revisions. Top content. Would love to see reviews of the Corsa-E. Looks like incredible value right now and would love to get your view 👍😎
Love mine, won’t hesitate to buy it’ll at the end of the lease. Summer range on the ZE50 is 200 miles.
Another great and most informative video. Thanks. Maurice from Malvern UK.
68 plate ZE40, bought this February with 58k miles and 90% battery health. 150-180 miles range in the summer and 100-120 winter. 43kW charge model, only tried to charge on a 43kW once and it peaked at about 31.5kW and did most of the charge at 22-24kW so not really worth it.
I have ZE50, on a 21 plate. I get 220 in summer and 185 on a cold day in winter.
I will get at least 165 miles south(further into England), in the summer any day and even 165 miles north (into Scotland), too in the winter. 2 years old next week and less than 10k. Charging via three pin at overnight rate does me. 22kW is scarily slow, but then the shared CCS chargers will only do 19 anyway. The more Rapid chargers there are, the more happy I get with the range. Speed and comfort are great for me. I have had a fridge, an old carpet and a cut up bed in the back at the same time. The back seat doesn't fold up behind the front seats like in my 2006 Clio, but parking side by side with one shows size to be equivalent.
I didn't think they just left the vital airbag off in just the base version of 2019 model, I thought it was all of them. I haven't noticed where it is anyway on my Iconic. Your ZE 50 deal looks like mine. I was feeling good to get mine pre-reg for £10k less than quoted rrp back then. The important thing is never having to smell all the smells and somehow trying to be environmentally better/mentally better?
Really useful series, thanks. Currently lease a Zoe ZE50 GT and looking to buy a second hand EV to replace it. These are good guides. I've lots of experience with the Leaf and now Zoe.
The way values are going it wouldn’t surprise me if you could buy your leased Zoe at auction for an absolute bargain….
I was a 22kW 'Q' motor (43kW charging) Zoe owner until two years ago. Great little car, slightly above average efficiency, suffered no noticeable battery degradation. I could pretty much guarantee 85miles in UK summer, saw over 100 miles a few times and in the depths of winter it could be in the high sixties. Mine was a battery lease and I couldn't sell it anywhere when I came to change it. The battery cost me 2200 pounds to buy but I think I added more that that to the expected value though that is obviously difficult to judge. I can't quite work out how the used values work unless the buy out price of the batteries has dropped significantly since I bought mine. The other possibility is that battery lease is still attractive to some. I went battery lease because I couldn't get into electric motoring without doing so at the time but reconciled it by considering the other benefits. It is effectively a super duper EV specific breakdown cover too. Not so important today with the regular breakdown services offering those benefits. Why didn't I get another Zoe! I did seriously look but a couple of things drove me elsewhere. First, trying to navigate the options. Sellers weren't as clear on some of the important details as they perhaps are today so you would spend a lot of time looking into a car only to find it was battery lease or an 'R' motor, neither of which I wanted. I would have liked my next Zoe to have been an 'upgrade' on my previous one, not just in battery size (I was looking at the ZE40), but performance too. The 88 HP sounds slow at 0-60 in 13.5 seconds but it wasn't. The Electric drive train zips it away much quicker than that sounds. I would have liked the R110 though for even more pep. That isn't available in rapid charging though!!!!! Loved the Zoe. I would definitely have a ZE50. Love Renault for many things including not over hyping their battery sizes. Can see a Megane E-tec in my future for certain.
Just bought a 2020 plate Zoe ZE50 1 GT Line 22kw only, lovely car, I can even get my electric mobility scooter in the boot without removing the parcel shelf. Only do a long trip twice a year to see sister else all good EV transport, FREE to run most of the time as have solar panels else use Octopus GO rate at night to charge, my husband has a 24kw 16 plate Nissan LEAF and great for all his local running about.
Been looking at that battery owned one at 4850... need to hold off i think. Dont need one for at least a month or two. My mum has a ze50 and loves it. The first car she's had thats not a manual chuggy piece of crap. Absolute revelation for her. I was in it the other day and noticed the dash said she'd averaged 4.9m/kwh!! Admittedly she drives like a granny (because she is!) and doesnt really do any motorway miles. Still some trips from yorkshire up to the lakes though.
i have a 2015 22kW Zoe and i only got it in november, battery is at 94% health
winter was 49miles from memory i got 2.9m/kw
summer is around 80miles and getting 4.3m/kw
I have owned EVs since 2015 I bought a second hand Zoe GT line last year and I'm very happy with it and I have no problem about recommending them to anyone interested in trying out an EV.
I've got a 65 plate 22kW Zoe and have been perfectly happy with it as a 2nd car. Its range is as dependent on speed as it is on Winter/Summer. In Summer driving minor roads up to 50mph on ECO I can easily achieve 100 miles, but in Winter at motorway speeds it reduces to about 65miles.
Great if you don't want to go anywhere.
I have a 2015 22 kilowatt and love it, how to replace the anti-roll bar which was about 400 but for a 8 year old cards probably not too bad. I could get close to 80 miles on a good day but would worry when I'm very low on percentage so would often charge halfway. The battery rental is an absolute pain the handover from the previous owner took over six months and Renault are incredibly bad at dealing with this. When I phoned instead of emailed it caused like a duplicate enquiry so at one point they were going to charge me twice the whole thing's a mass I think they're just trying to encourage everyone to buy the battery. How the previous owner messaging the every month in Sydney reading I hadn't pressured Renault enough several emails and phone calls on my end and he even threatened a solicitor to Renault in the end. I hope to buy the battery outright to sell it on so I'm not at the receiving end of paying for a battery on a car I no longer own.
I have a 2013 Black battery leased Zoe. Second owner and have had it for 6 years. Only 24k miles as it is a local runabout but for this it is ideal. Large enough but easy to park. I am getting 80 miles range in summer and virtually no battery degradation. I have not bought out the battery lease as given the age of the car the lease gives security.
Into my 4th year with my Zoe. I've driven 35500 miles. Happily driven west to east in the UK many times. No problem. No sign of battery degredation, and when the lease runs out I would definitely buy another. But I would only go for a 52kw model with rapid charging as well. But no battery lease.
I have NO home charger so rely on other places to charge, and the bonus of the type 2 charger is that it does go up to 22kw, which no other car does. Very handy.
Hi all we have had two Zoe cars 2019 & 2022 range not so good in the winter about 145 however in the summer managed just under 300 on one trip. Normaley is to get over 200. Used to commute to work about 125 miles a day
300 mile range is excellent. I thought I had done well when I managed 261 miles on one trip!
My wife bought a new 21 plate ZE50 and was told CCS Rapid was standard fit and that the price was 'adjusted' up by £1000 accordingly. Also, the button to turn off the pedestrian warning noise no longer has an 'off' option. Just 3 levels of annoying sound. Changed as of May 2021 apparently.
Originally it was not a legal requirement manufacturers were preempting the law so you were able to turn it off, as it is now a illegal requirement all electric cars now have some sort of noise below 20 mile an hour.
@@SnazzBotsad news. :(
I had a ZE40 as a commuter/local car that if you only charged at home is was excellent with 150-160 miles in summer however the 22 AC charging is too slow and not many about - usually 1 at a motorway services. if you drove until nearly empty its 1.5/2 hours to fill back up - painfully slow in 2023.i went to edinburgh in it and at 270 miles i had to stop twice each way so it added 6-8 hours driving going there and back. The ZE50 can only charge at a maximum of 43kwh DC which is not vey good but alot better and there are alot more DC chargers.
Worth a review. Thanks. The Zoe was the first mainstream french EV. I've had a 40 and a 50. The battery hire on the 40 was annoying and unnecessary as the batteries are fine. Buying out the lease is disproportionately expensive. Renault are forever tweaking the Zoe model range and specs as you say. The Encap failure/side airbag reduction is a disgrace - were they on the vino? Caveat emptor!
The Zoe is presented as a 4 seater, but you've really got to hate your rear seat passengers to subject them to the rigid seats and zero leg room. Even kids will find the rear uncomfortable. Conversely, the front seats are really comfortable. If you wish to try an EV, the nippy Zoe is a good choice. I can't recommend it for extended trips as the charging is slow, even with the CCS option, Range is significantly affected by temperature, so winter use will see a range loss of 30% in my experience. Cruising at 60mph works, but go above this and the range really suffers.
Some 50 models suffered from poorly fitted tail gates - pretty pathetic bearing in mind this has nothing to do with the vehicle being an EV. The french showed their love of the UK market, by knowingly shipping cars with this fault and leaving dealers to fix it. My 50 had 3 corrective trips to the dealership and I wasn't happy! They even had an audio file to play on their laptops so they could be sure the faulty squeaking tail gate was the problem. Merde!
I have a 2020 ZE50 GT line CCS . Now three years old. SOH is about 96.5% . Range in summer is about 220 although have got 270 on long run based on being 100% at start and measuring miles /%drop. Winter could be about 160. Really enjoying the EV journey and untending to keep the car for another 5years hopefully.
How many miles has it covered?
@@ModernHeroes About 22,000 so far. Straight line extrapolation suggests about 87% @ 100,000 miles if plot SOH versus miles driven. There is some evidence that the rate of degradation is slowing so the curve might not be so steep now. I read the SOH every few months.
How do you read the state of health? Thanks
I have a ZE50 , i bought it with 23000 km and The Batterry is for rent. The Range is between 250 in Winter and 380 km at above 17 degree . I am realy happy about this car
What country are you in? ZE50 wasn’t offered with a rental battery option here in the UK, they’re all battery owned.
Germany
Useful vid, I’m looking at a young Zoe (21/22) instead of an i3 (42kwh with low miles at £15k max
I bought one shortly after making this video, would recommend!
I bought a low mileage ZE50 R135 2020 in Nov 2021 at 8,000km, 119,000km now, SoH is at 96%. I daily commute 250km now, and 180km last winter. Now when we reach 0 C I have to reduce it to less than 90km/h to be around 10% Soc at home, in summer (15 to 25 C) 110km/h was no issue, and still had 20% SoC at the day's end. I expect that I must go down to 70 km/h when it gets below -15 C or find a charging place during the route. I expect it to be before reaching my workplace as the battery needs to be warm enough so charging speed will make sense...
Issues then: Regarding driving, well it works just fine within its specifications with one exception. It does not handle studed tires as great as studless. It will spin the tires in curves or when going straight on wet roads at even moderate throttle levels.
But all my issues and annoyances are almost all related to software and stupid limitations. It is an issue when software engineers are located in southern France and they do not understand winter conditions... I can not preheat the battery without preheating the driving compartment, so a lot of wasted energy. Maximum preheat time is 30+10 min on the timer, then 10m from the app (needs to time out before another 10 min can be started). And the worst part is that during the preheat some power is consumed from the main battery... The battery can not be preheated during driving with extremely slow charging (less than 7kW) in the sub-zero C wintertime as a consequence.
The rear camera is about to stop working in cold weather or in warm weather, so it is a bad design. This issue is rather common on 2020 models, and Renault has "never heard any complaints" yet I have plenty of similar feedback from other users.
The front camera gets fogged up in the winter and does not clear until after 1 hour of preheating/driving which affects auto high-beam/lane assist/sign recognition, very annoying.
But overall, it is an entry-level cheap EV that does the job rather well. But I would rather happily pay 1000€ to fix the most stupid software limitations...
I wouldn't by a Zoe, because of the grid system in parts of Norway.
My secondary home, and some public chargers have a grid that's incompatible with Zoe " out of the box".
It's perfectly manageable with some special equipment that no other EV needs to charge anywhere in Norway..
If anyone plan on a trip to Norway in their Zoe:
Don't worry, but do your research, to make sure you have the equipment to handle the quirks of Norwegian grid.
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40kwh I get 185miles, 1/3 motorway and rest town. Temp around 25C
I only had my Zoe for four months 2013, Best I’ve got so far is 77 miles (mixed roads)with 55% of the battery used. 22kw/76k miles
Early Zoe’s needed a BMS update. Have a look at EV Nick (Nicholas Raimo) videos on this. We got my dads 22kwh Zoë from 70mi to 100mi after update.
I know someone who bought an almost new Renault Zoe . He was told that it had a 230 mile range in summer.
My 2015 does 85 miles in the summer and 65 in the winter.
I'd like to see an i3 review of the second hand market, there's tons appearing around West Londond.
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@@ModernHeroes Grand! Thanks :)
Renault ZOE Intens R135, I get about 280 km in wintertime and about 380 during summertime. The CCS is never standard.
Great video, quick question. I have the chance to get a Renault Zoe 2018 Q90 flex 27,000miles with battery leasing 13,000euro. Is it still a good buy or could I suffer from worse depreciation than normal? It's just for daily life no long trips. Would love to know if it's a car I will enjoy or if I will be plagued with headaches. Also I'm worried it's 2018 and maybe the battery tech is now out dated? Would love to hear your opinion thanks
I would definitely consider buying another again if I was in the market
You mentioned lane assist is rubbish. It is dangerous rubbish, I have tried in on a few cars and the first thing we do on our Kona is turn it off. Does not work.
I bought a 2 year old 2016 plate 22kwh, owned battery, ( they sold owned battery cars from new they are badged with a little "i".) just out of a 2 year lease. It was excellent. After 2 years I swapped it for a 30kwh Kia Soul on an 18 plate at 2 years old which I still have.
The Kia is more efficient than the Zoe was - regularly 5 miles per kwh used against 4 on the Zoe. Both are excellent EVs.
What kia is that?
@@carlosgarcialalicata a 2018 Kia Soul EV with a 30kwh battery as said above?
there is a bagain 2017 ZE40 on speak ev.signature nav spec with leathers/heated seats and battery owned for £8500 - 67k miles (nothing to do with me i am just trying to help someone)
Love the idea of 22kw AC . That's very useful
Yeah the Megane E-Tech has it too so Renault clearly sticking with what works. I do wonder though if we’ll now see less 22kW chargers thanks to the upcoming change in legislation around payment.
@@ModernHeroes what change is comming ?
@@lookoutleo any charger over 8kW is going to need contactless payment - for new installations between 8 and 50kW and for any 50+
@@ModernHeroes even the charge place Scotland ones?
Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s a U.K.-wide thing.
EVM has just bought a 2016 battery owned Zoe for £4400. There is a video on his channel.
Just watched that. Like hens teeth, he did well, but they'll get more common
85 mile range
@@jmills1549If you can home charge then 85 miles would be adequate for lots of people. Charge overnight and 85 miles available every day. We bought our first EV, a 2016 ZE22, in 2018 for £6,000; I wish we still had it. We’ve since had 2 further ZE40 Zoes, a Honda e, a Citroën Ami, and now have a SEAT Mii electric which we bought new, then sold after 14 months, regretted the sale, so 5 months later bought it back from the dealer we sold it to. It’s now a long term keeper.
@@jmills1549 But that isn't an issue if you use it for commuting. The average UK daily commute is 20.8 miles. Are you saying you couldn't be bothered spending a few seconds plugging the car in at home every 3 days? It takes a lot less time than *having* to drive to a petrol station...... Around 1.5p per mile is a hell of a lot cheaper than public transport...... Of course if you wanted to waft up and down the M6 at star-ship speeds, then perhaps a Renault Zoe wouldn't be the wisest choice....
The AVERAGE motorist does 22 mile per day
So would only have to charge there Zoe twice a week
The link to the Ionic review wasn't in the description :(
Hmm - it’s there for me, what type of device are you watching on?
@@ModernHeroes Just with a PC browser.
I did a test drive in few of them and I just cannot make myself like them. Suspension is too harsh, but handling sucks. Seat is way too high for my liking and for some reason it feels like center of gravity is also very high. Built quality is not the best. Now looking to buy used VW e-Up. It is so much more fun to drive.
Please, how on earth do you tell from a dealer's description whether or not as Zoe has DC charging? Many are described as 'rapid' without it. It's becoming a real pain having to ring up every possibility, with dealers often not knowing what they are selling.
Stick the reg into the DVLA MOT history tool. If it says “Rapid Charge” in the model name you’re good (obviously double check before buying but it should narrow your search). Try it with mine - WR71 YFC
Some dealers have the 50hwh GT as CCS by default but they are not all CCS. Ask the dealer if they open the charge flap does the bottom bit of plastic flip down to reveal another charge holes.
I had this 2 days ago at a dealer in Glasgow. One advertised as CCS didn’t have it so we bought
One that did have CCS
I had bought a used Renault mk1 with 74564 miles in the beginning of winter. At first we had noticed that it had 96 km max charge which in my opinion is a little low, little did we know that was just the beginning with the first drive until we had to charge it went from 96 km on full charge to 45 km!!. We went to the dealership and they told us that it’s because of the cold weather how can a battery go from 96km full charge to 45km makes no sense I would understand if it went down to 80km but over half is crazy. Anyways after multiple complaints we gave Up and decided to just accept it now it’s max charging to 65km and we’re hoping when the weather gets better it goes back to normal.
This video should start by mentioning NCAP rating. All others are very good secondary points
It’s not that big a deal though 🤷♂️ if you’re the kind of person that stresses about leaving the house then you’ll buy something else.
@@ModernHeroes it's not about that, i just think that companies are careless. For example, in premium cars, I know that the automatic breaking cost less than $10, since most sensors are already there. Companies were anyway including this in there premium packages in the past. I feel we need to ask Renault (and all others) to standardise on a high level of security, or they will not do it (even if they can)
The only one a i would consider is if it had a bidirectional battery .cheap charge rate and run the house from battery, boss only needs to pop to shops and friends, most of the time its sat outside doing nothing. so saving money on electric by running the house could make it viable.Cheaper than fitting a battery pack to the house.
Sounds like you need a Leaf and an Indra V2H charger then
I would prefer a car that has an LFP battery if I was going to increase the charge cycles by using it via V2L as my "house" battery. Entry level M^4 fits the bill in that regard.
I'm looking at either a used Renault Zoe or used VW e-Up. Which would you go for?
Zoe if practicality is important, e-Up if you’d prefer something smaller. Neither a bad choice.
Unfortunately ALL Renault ZOE ZE50 2020 on models had this Reduced Side Airbag and hence reduced side head protection
Ah, my bad. Not good - though it still wouldn’t put me off.
2021 on. My 2020 model has the full height airbag.
@@paulprosser1289 if it is a ZE50 unfortunately it does not have the full size side head airbag
@@ModernHeroesJohnny (used to be Car Pervert - forgotten his new channel) had a Zoe 50 and he said he wasn't bothered by the lack of a head airbag.
And yes, the Ami is probably okay without any safety tech, but then you're only going 28mph.
In the Zoe, you could happily be going 85mph then someone side swipes you and you end up going sideways into a tree at 40mph or something!
Then with your last thought, think about how much the 2 grand saving you had, made you happy!
I do have to say though, that I've seriously considered the likely hood of buying a 22kwh Zoe for super cheap, buying out the battery, then using it for 90% of my driving and hiring a car for the long trips!
The human body has crap side impact protection too. I'd imagine there are considerably more people involved in pedestrian collisions with cars, than are injured in Renault Zoe accidents. Lets be realistic here. Most Zoe's will be bought as transport for the daily commute. I'd imagine that statistically at least, there are far fewer life threatening collisions at commuting speeds, particularly in towns and cities. If you wanted to increase your chances of survival during and after an impact at motorway speeds, then no, the Zoe may not shine. But there is no such thing as a completely safe accident. If you're *really* so concerned about the chances of being injured in a car accident, then don't travel in cars. There is risk in almost everything we do. Climbing or descending the stairs at home can even be fatal under certain circumstances.
The reduction in the Euro NCAP score was not due to the airbag change. NCAP have specifically stated that even without that change the Zoe would have scored at most 1 star, probably still 0 under the new modified test. What has changed is the test, not the Zoe. If they re-tested the original 5-star Zoe under the new test it too would score 0/1 star.
The ZE50 is in most ways significantly safer than its 5-star predecessor - but it's fundamentally a 10-year old design being tested against a new set of criteria. When it was first tested the tests were all about impact protection but that's now sort of taken for granted and you need lots of collision avoidance stuff to get a decent score. The base model of the Zoe doesn't have that and thus the misleadingly low score.
The business about CCS charging is more to do with availability of chargers than charging speed. Although called 50 kW it tops out at little more than 40 kW and then only for quite a short window. Overall it's only a tiny bit faster than a 22 kW AC charger, but whilst there are a lot of AC chargers available, sometimes you find a site which has DC only and then you're stuffed if you don't have the CCS option.
Renault had 10 years to improve safety and they didn't. Missing to add couple of sensors and removing an airbag is not the way companies should go. Saying a car is old design should not be an excuse to keep selling a car that is not up to today's standards in my opinion
Wish I could afford one but still well out of my league
Hey, went past the local Renualt dealer and found 6 abandoned Zoe's all fairly new. Looks to me like people are "Returning" faulty cars. Any news on reliability?
Nope. You sure they’re not just some ex Onto cars that are still kicking around the dealer network? A number of them were returned very early as the financiers tried to recover some of their cash.
I mean there where 6 cars within 3 years old covered in moss with flat tyres. Seemed like nobody wanted to accept responibilty of them@@ModernHeroes
If you do a low mileage the rental on the battery would cost more than I spend on petrol.
Probably best to go for a battery owned one then
Ah, but it depends on the price you paid initially! Our 2015 Zoe bought 3 years ago cost us £7000 (during the covid pandemic when dealers couldn't shift cars,) + ongoing battery lease at £49/month, (which includes the battery insurance and breakdown cover). That means we've paid a total of £8800 so far, and with minimal cost for home charging on cheap rate, the only maintenance costs being four new tyres from new and annual MoTs, means it's been the cheapest motoring we've ever done! We're retired, do less than 5000 annual mileage and will no doubt run it into the ground over the next ten years, with no "your battery won't be any good after five years" worries as it's leased! Simply a no-brainer for us. Spent three months during covid to do my BEV research on the internet before we purchased, - so many people just read the FUD in the likes of the Daily Flail and Torygraph instead of educating themselves.
Crap heating, stupidly pointed door edges, sills collecting dirt, cramped inside, and a range that halves in winter are the bad points.
Great acceleration and a decent sound system are the good ones.
Range halving in winter is a bit overly pessimistic - I use mine for a 220 mile round trip commute on motorways and A roads and it’s still doing 3.3mi/kWh - was barely above freezing on this week’s journey too.
Up to the 40 - yes. But when Renault downgraded the safety systems on the 52 - then no. If I’m going to be in a car in an accident, it would be good to think, that myself and passengers could possibly survive, rather than turning into runny jam.
Bit over dramatic - there’s plenty of cars on the road that are far less safe.
Am I right in thinking that a Zoe can't use the air conditioning while charging? I hope not
I don’t know and maybe a Zoe owner can help answer but I did see this when googling it - sounds like there’s a software update that allows it to do so when it previously couldn’t www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/qnwtih/the_zoe_can_now_run_hvac_while_charging/
That's excellent news. I've done long trips in winter in my Leaf and couldn't imagine doing them without heating while charging, it'd be thoroughly miserable!
Is it almost worth privately selling the kangoo, Ami and Audi and getting a ZE50 that can do everything?
There’s no doubt the Zoe could handle my commute in terms of range but I’m not convinced it’d provide the comfort I’m used to - would definitely be up for trying one though.
@@ModernHeroes how long will you have to wait for Audi etron to depreciate to the right price?
@@neillgatley8770 quite a while 😂 they’re still around £30k atm. Saw a £25k Polestar 2 earlier 👀 but it didn’t hang around long.
@@ModernHeroes Re comfort. My initial niggles with the Zoe were the lack of an armrest, and the seat didn't provide as much side support as I was used to. But within a few days everything just felt normal and I was fine. It's not as if the Zoe is a hot hatch 🤣
@@malcolmfowler8972 yeah I’m sure it’s fine for what it is but we’re talking about it replacing an Audi A8 here - albeit a leggy old one.
safety reasons lol basically get into a crash where you are hit at the side or you roll chances are your head, hands or all of you is going out the side window since they removed the airbags
Don’t crash. HTH.
My wife’s got one and would not part with it.
Looks too much like something my mum would drive. Much prefer Corsa or 208 but theyre all too small for me.
Heh, Jonny Smith’s wife said something similar about it during his long term test - guess the styling’s not for everyone 😆
Is this a good deal from my local Renault dealer?
71 plate 50Kwh GT Line Zoe
10k miles on the clock
£13k with 0% PCP available.
£495 deposit, 24 payments of £164 = £4431
£8579 optional final payment
I've been looking at 10 year old 22Kwh Zoes, but this feels like a better deal? something like 2.5x the range, much newer car, better spec, in warranty, zero hassle?
actually I lied, £13400 for the GT line. Lower spec one is £13k. So more like £180 a month I think
Doesn’t sound bad at all tbh.
@@ModernHeroes Thanks, I really appreciate the reply. It seemed reasonable to me, but I'm not an expert. My Dad thinks he is, but he always finds a way to dampen my enthusiasm. 😅 At 40 years old it's time I stopped asking him and get what I want
There’s a brace of Iconic (lower spec) at main dealers for £12,500ish, so you could maybe shave a couple of hundred off but it doesn’t sound bad at all. I do wonder if it’ll be worth less than the GFV at the end but then that’s the benefit of the PCP is that you can just hand it back if it’s upside down.
@ModernHeroes thanks, yeah makes sense. I guess the slightly higher price probably offsets the 0%. I've politely declined their offer of paint protection, alloy insurance and service package for a total of £900.
I had my eye on that 2013 zoe at 4850 you showed, so it was great to see it pop up in your video. I'd be putting similar money into this PCP over 2 years. I might have to walk away with nothing at the end, but as I'm not mechanically minded, it's probably a safer bet for me than a 10 year old car. Plus it's an awful lot more usable with 50kwh vs 22.
If (used) Battery vehicles are 'becoming very very affordable', then surely they lose 'so much money'.
What’s your point? 🤷♂️
I bought a 1 plate ZE50 135 with 6k on the clock two months ago for £15k. A no brainer for me moving from a petrol Peugeot 208. Very happy to have gone electric this way with 200+ miles of range. Niggles - no drivers seat height adjust, the radio coming on every time you start up. IMHO those bleating about NCAP make it sound like Renault have taken out the seat belts!
I’ll be sticking with my 2010 Accord 2.4 for many years yet !
£30k + brand new, after a couple of years and 6600 miles... £12k.
Solid investment.
A car isn’t and has never been an investment so unless you are a shareholder in a finance company I’m not sure why you’d be worried about it. Buy used, save a fortune.
@@ModernHeroes Ford focus RS - 59 plate £25k - £27k new
Today with 15k miles £35k
Seems like a good investment
@@ru55ells 15k miles in 14 years, yeah that’s definitely comparable to cars people buy to actually use.
@@ModernHeroes 87k miles and you'll be looking at £21k.
So you can buy a brand new car, benefit from the warranty keep it over ten years and still have nearly as much as you started with after 87k miles.
You really see nothing odd in burning 18 grand in two years over 6 thousand miles on a small Zoe car?
MG ZS EV and MG5 please.
Reasonable car but the battery rental is a no-brainer. MG4 & BYD Dolphin look far better options.
The ZE50 (the only model that would compete with those) doesn't have a battery lease, as I said in this video...
Can I buy a
Renault did themselves no favours with the rental battery - it blurs the price being quoted in the 2nd hand market.
Agreed. Sooner they all go away the better.
ZOE ZE40 2018 68 reg , Summer Urban 175 miles range, Summer 60mph motorway 140 miles, Winter Urban 120 miles.
Very roomy car, comfortable and good size boot
Maybe a high end car like an etron which has plummeted in part I think due to the NHS scheme ending for this car (I could be wrong), either way still expensive but more of a bargain second hand now
Just bought a Zoe GT LINE CCS RAPID FOR UNDER £15K 9K MILES ON 71 PLATE FROM A DEALER WITH 2.5 %APR WITH RENAULT FINANCE.
BUT AN EVEN BETTER TRADE IN PRICE FOR MY CURRENT CAR. I'M HAPPY.
all ev batteries degrade after use , not just Renault
Didn’t say otherwise 🤷♂️
Over the years we’ve had one of each, the 40Kw DC only about 80 in summer, 60 in winter. The 41 Kw DC only (Q for quick charging) did about 160 in summer, 130 in winter and the 50Kw AC and DC did well over 230 miles in summer for us. We dropped the Zoe ZE50 when our grandchild arrived, happy to risk my own life but not the babies so the car with its Zero NCAP had to go
Would the missing side airbags have improved protection for rear seat kiddies ?
I’ll stick to walking
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Because you like your house....
Wtf are you dribbling on about?
I would not buy one. Death trap. Would not feel safe it it at all. I hadboth models
Kept the newer one a week.
What a mistake to make. Could have biught a good diesel and they are cleaner and safer than EVs.
😂
How much are Cazoo paying you for this blatent advert? A normal person will buy a Fiesta Ecoboost, I've had one and it's done nothing wrong in 75k Miles.
Can you fill it up in 2 minutes?
Those cars are so good that their manufacturer doesn't want to make them any more. Maybe "normal people" haven't been buying them?
@@stulop Can you plug in at home (10 seconds) and unplug (another 10 seconds) and drive round alll day for 4p a mile? I can.
@@gregayres2776 4p a mile? You're being had. Octopus Intelligent is down to 7.5p per kwh now. It has put me back on 2p per mile motoring....
@@stulop No, but I can charge up through the night while I sleep, for a 7th of the cost of using petrol. Works for me, I've never needed my car while I've slept......
I wouldn’t look at anything without DC charging unless it was the 22KW at £3k. So saying stay well away from Facebook marketplace most are scams I recently checked out a few Zoe’s on there every single one was a scam !. Average price for a ZE50 with DC charging seems to be falling to around the £10k mark for a decent one
Because its a French product
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