Renault Zoe 2019 40kWh in depth | is there any value in 300kms?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Renault will be updating the Zoe in the coming weeks, not only a new longer-range version but a six-seat self-driving version is on the way. Is there any value on buying a Zoe with a 40kWh battery?
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Am I right to assume it still feels as cheap, as it always did?
Light and cheap as a lot of EV's seem to feel. That new Zoe can't come fast enough!
@@BobFlavinVideo what a polite way to put it :) Nothing cheap about KIA's EVs. You've seen the e-Soul.
@@BobFlavinVideo not most evs..the e golf feels every bit like a golf..brilliant quality
fitness4thought 82 well it is dead now replaced by the id3
@@MarekDrives you hate french cars every review you’ve ever done you criticise them.
Bob..... frighteningly Irish, frighteningly honest review. You're a gem. Good man. Keep it up.
Oh, ...I've liked and subscribed!
Hydrogen will never take off for private use. Battery electric and eventually battery/solar will be the way forward.
Fair play man....keep at it
Thank you Gerard!
Cant wait for the new R135 version
Lovely review. Wanted to buy some t-shirts but all White!!!
Bob, glad to see a mostly positive review on an EV, the Zoe is indeed an excellent car. But did you answer your own question? Is there value in 300kms? I’d say there very much is for 75% of motorists. Shame you didn’t join us on the EV Challenge on Sunday, next time maybe?
Basil Fawlty@3.17.Love it Bob.Thanks lad.
Real reaction to another interruption, my little road is getting busy
Regenerative braking is very useful in stop-start traffic as well as controlling speed going downhill, also saves on replacing your brake pads. If you really want no regenerative braking at all in an EV, put it into 'neutral'; unlike ICE cars, you still get power assisted steering and servo assisted braking.
My dream car 😍
Wut...
The issue I see with coasting is that going downhill you either wind up exceeding the speed limit or running into the vehicle in front.
If you drop the rear seat from the the boot (as any normal person would) then it’s not awkward at all.
03:18 Ahahaha omg,you and your natural reaction :-)
You should have heard what I cut out!
@@BobFlavinVideo Your prayers I should hope. 🙏😇⛪
Nice video brother from india 👍🇮🇳
The back doors make a better thud than the front - that sound like a beans can !
At least it has a volume knob!
#bringbackknobs
Well coasting is only the most efficient until you need to use the friction brakes. The regen is more efficient. Which is why I like the paddle system. I can coast when it works but I can also control my speed without using the friction brakes. Barely any brake wear on my 80,000K Mitsubishi PHEV. Tyres also last a lot longer which is amazing for a heavier vehicle. There’s a reason hybrids like the Prius, even with small batteries get excellent mileage - it’s called regen.
MondoTV Bob doesn’t seem to have much of a clue about the regen in the Zoe. The brake pedal is the regen all the way down to about 6mph unless you need to emergency brake. There is also regen when you lift your foot off the accelerator but it’s very mild. On my trip to work there is a long fairly steep hill and if I’m doing about 35 mph at the top then by the time I reach the speed camera about 3/4s of the way down I’m always at 29mph without braking at all. (Zoe ZE40 R90).
Glovebox and digital display with speed etc are straight from mk3 scenic.
Correct, big updates coming for the Zoe but right now it looks tired.
The big problem remains - it's just too dear .As Jim Royle might say 'More affordable me arse'.. Not to mention the other problems such as range, battery replacement costs, rapidly changing tech which will render electric cars obsolete as newer models emerge. I drive a 13 year old diesel which I bought for 1500 quid. It does 70mpg , and has a range of about 1000km on a tank , which I can fill in about 5 minutes. Getting though MOT cost me 300 including servicing. Electric cars still don't make sense...
bluegtturbo they make sense to the people that own them - I do 31000km per year for 600$nz of energy.
We save 4500$nz in fuel cost and another 800$nz service cost (like oil changes etc.) our second hand EV pays itself in two more years -
Some run of Videos Bob 😎
It's mostly over now Paul, the car companies can't keep up with my demand for cars. So BMW gave me an M5 to stop me asking for more
Not to worry Bob, renault is giving up on in car control systems of their own and will offer an Android version with some extras added in for the specific car. So goodbye (soon) to crappy interfaces
The Zoe has been about for 7 years now without changing the shape, there must be a Mk2 version in the works somewhere? I'd have high hopes for it's successor, as it's not bad in the first place. Is Renault in Ireland insisting on the battery lease for the prices in video? Always has turned me off, I know they used to do buy outright or lease option, the lease costs seem pretty high to me if you pick the higher more average mileage ones from Renault UK anyway.
Bob. Take it to a Rapid charger, plug it in and see if it accepts any charge at all. If you drive this version like a granny, you will get about 200 miles of range in warm weather. Call Renault UK with any issue and see if you even get past the switchboard. These are some of the things potential buyers must be made aware of.
There’s no plug on this Zoe for fast charging, Nissan plug is finishing an CCS will be the normal. This is a max 22kWh charge although there is an optional fast charge version.
Bob is in Ireland the range he quoted is 300km not miles. You’ll get 120 miles in winter and maybe 180 in summer. Renault even put a realistic range on their website alongside the useless wltp range.
Bob have you heard of the new rule for electric cars? (coming soon) Speakers front and rear to let people know your coming so your not dead silent. I think its a welcoming rule.
I don't think it's necessary, we didn't see an uptick in accidents from hybrids and they can be just as silent at low speeds. Above 20km/h tire noise takes over the work....
Zoe makes a noise up to 25kph (18 mph) and you get a choice of noises.
So the new model has been announced - v different. The interior is completely updated. Unfortunately the exterior is a minor refresh. Oh and 52Kwh battery!
The exterior looks good enough.
Ok, Head restraints not headrests, design to prevent whiplash, nothing more, so I don't know what you're trying to "use" them for. And you're supposed to drop the rear seats from the boot. Also, various models have split 60/40 rear seats, which can be dropped from the rear or either side.
The bell rang and, @ the same time, your watch says 11:58. Hmmm...
Who is Justin Delaney?
Sorry about the bells, Bob. I keep telling the lads to put a muffler on the damn thing but they never listen, the bloomin' eejits. Not my cuppa but I would add that ridiculous infotainment needs updating to more modern standards. 300 kms (186 miles) is a great selling point but not enough to part my cash with. As for that stupid rear seating folding arrangement - Renault, what the hell were you thinking?! Cracking review though.
Thank you!
I do think you missed something very important about the Rekuperation because regaining battery power is only part of the deal. the thing is I am living on the continental Europe there are steep Mountains so if you go down the mountain with no brake assistance by the engine or other means you are getting real big trouble with your brakes. I drive hybrids which have very little Rekuperation going downhill and this is not enough. if I'm going down some decent mountainside I have to be on the brakes all the time which is not advisable so don't forget about Rekuperation for you have no Engine and you can't shift down to a lower gear in an electric car.
So maybe these pedals in some cars aren't that useless ;-)
Don't know if it can answer your problem, but Zoe has a multi-patented brake pedal. Even in 2019 i think it's the only fully full electric one : an hydraulic system is using 100% the regen system till it's beggining not being enough, then the pressure is used on the discs.
The switching is transparent for the User.
You can have about 50kW of breaking power wich is huge.
But many journalists ask for a B mode, and put the lack of B mode was default... so you will have a B mode in the new one.
I prefer a real freewheel AND a full regen on brake than a B mode braking each time i stop accelerate...
Good review again Bob. It's a pity this car is so basic and a bit of a let-down.
The seats are awful, no support at all
Yea, it sure is a pity. Renault were always renowned for comfortable seats. Lumber support like "a guillotine for your spine". Well said Bob.
New Zoe on the way, 54kWh pack (vs 41kWh in the old one), 50kW CCS rapid charging, minor exterior redesign, more powerful motor and a totally new interior/infotainment (a big improvement on both those).
This 41kWh pack is sticking around, will get the 50kW rapid charging and new interior and a €1-1.5k price cut from this car (~€23-24k battery owned, under €20k for the battery leased version (with a €50/month lease on the battery forevermore.....health warning is that a battery lease kills 2nd hand value, everyone wants to own the battery)).
The 54kWh (which will be called the ZE50) will get a slight price bump. Unconfirmed rumors of a 30kWh model for 2020 which will be under €20k battery owned... but of course only just over 220km real world range.
First of the 54kWh Zoe will in Ireland August/September btw. Renault factory in Flins is about to spin up the production line for the first run of LHD cars in the next week or two.
Does anyone know if the ZE50 will have adjustable driver seat? I'm 6'2" and my eyeline is in the sun visor(closed). Current Zoe, you can't lower the driver seat, due to the batteries packed underneath.
@@jimwhook Doubtful. It's the same platform with the same physical battery layout, so the physical constraints are the same.
Ahhhh that's a shame, it's a lovely car and I would buy it if I could just lower the seat a bit....
jimwhook I’m 6’ 1” and I’ve been driving a Zoe for 3 years. The only time I feel it’s a problem is if I’m at the front of the queue at the traffic lights and have to crane my neck to see the lights.
"Its the whole seat or nathing" I'm dead lol
Lit Costello All Zoes produced after January/ February this year have 60/40 split folding rear seats.
@@keithwillis5662 that's a relief
Shown my wife the front shot of Zoe dash in video bearing this in mind we have leased fiesta st.(stolen) and currently leasing Corsa l.4 ...she does not like at all ...got to make people feel good when in these cars not just bang out cars for tree huggers who'll drive tin can on wheels if they think good for environment
Do the batteries lose power and by how much seen top gear and they had a second hand leaf 2011 model it had a 35km range on it lol....
m don don’t believe everything you see on top gear, we’ve sold several 2011-12 Nissan Leaf that will still do 100kms. Top Gear stopped being a factual show about 15 years ago, great entertainment but often biased and inaccurate
Ive never even been in a car with height adjustable seats
You shoud do some research on regenerative breaking.
"breaking" 😆
Good honest review giving pause for thought on EVs in general. I can tell, you really don’t like this car...
Yellow vest in the boot. Ha Ha!
That made me laugh!
Des Byrne It’s a requirement in most European countries. And there really is one in there.
Not bad looking for an EV
Who on earth tries to take the back seats down while being on the back seat 🙄🙈 just do it from the boot as with every other car I’ve owned in the last 20 years! Not sure why that model doesn’t have split seats though as the 40kw models I’ve seen have split seats. The 22kw ones don’t.
Zoe is a great car for what it's designed to do. You were completely off the mark when it comes to regen. And when you drop the back seat you do.it from the boot. Not whilst still sitting in the back. What I do.like though is as you said you.just get in and drive.
Most people are beginning to relise cars stink terrible in cities and put out harmful toxic fumes. It's easy to overlook when the smell is out the back of the car aimed at other people behind.
Some years have past since introduction and some efforts from others, yet the Zoe is still the best looking production electric car.
I like the way my Tesla Model 3 looks...and drives, and range, but it was a couple of pennies more. I have the long range AWD.
Bob, all I want to know is which EV car YOU are are going to buy, then I'll buy the same.
If I'm honest, for a primary car, I'd go Model 3 or a Kia E-Soul. I love the long-range ones but I'm not convinced that they save the planet or are actually low Co2
@@BobFlavinVideo Maybe not save the planet as they still require material and Lithium for the battery's which is causing a massive problem. But how aint you convinced that their low on Co2?
@@BobFlavinVideo I think I'd be looking at the E-Soul too. Somehow they've made the 2019 body slipperier, without it looking much different. I'm all for form following function. It would be easy to get, say, a Christmas Tree in that big back end no problem.
@@jasonjuggler3457 At least the lithium is recyclable. Try to recycle all that burned petrol.
@@dlittlester Re-read my comment
I absolutely love it..but it is just so awkward in many ways. Too frustrating, sadly.
"It's cute but" is never a good start to a sentence
@@BobFlavinVideo Hey, those are your words-not mine hahahaha (it is stylish though!)
On my list for my wife . I've got a leaf 40 kWh. Looks like fossil fuel has had its day in our household. Loved the review.
Do you have to rent the battery?
No you don’t. I went for the battery rental version because it was cheaper upfront. When my dad bought his he didn’t like that idea so bought the battery owned version. It was no problem either way and no pressure from the dealer for any particular one.
40kWh, funny, that's about the same capacity as the ID.R that VW sent to Pike's Peak.
I can't understand why the 'infotainment system' commands so much of the time in this (and similar) vehicle reviews... Are there not other aspects of the vehicle that are far more important?
All the other aspects are covered in this video, was there something I left out?
Bob Flavin agreed. Info systems a vital part of modren car and don’t get me started on the frustration when an Apple Car Play connection is buggy. Hateful when u have to risk points by having to grab your phone to disconnect & reconnect. Grrrr
@@BobFlavinVideo No, you didn't leave anything out. But then, that's not what I said. It's about balance and the amount of time spent in reviews on these systems relative to the other aspects. Just my opinion, clearly there will be others.
Cannot understand why there Renault has not launched more EV models. The Zoe is akin to the i3 in size. Its not going to help users who want an EV SUV, estate, Saloon or anything with offroad ability. Its akin to the Fiesta or Golf plus. Whats underneath is a good EV but its time renault offered more EV choices. Kia are expanding theirs so will the VW group.
I don’t think I want to buy a car then pay rental on the batteries
You can buy the batteries too. Problem solved. This is just a thing Renault did to make things cheaper up front.
It all started to go downhill at “Let me show you around the inside of the car”, looks like a whirlwind in the disused parts bin of Renault/ Nissan and a flower pot factory.
Maybe Ghosen designed it in jail!
Having said that, with a few options added it could almost be the answer for those that can’t go for the more expensive alternatives; it needs seat height adjustment and despite what this reviewer says, it ought to have variable regenerative/one pedal braking. It’s nonsense to state that with these more energy is used, that’s why it’s called Regen, it is not “Resistance”! energy is recovered from braking or lifting off.
If I were in a position to have a second car for town use, it would fit the bill, I am not so the ancient fossil burner stays! I am nowhere near convinced of the lPlanet Friendly” and lFossil Fuels are killing the Planet” mantras as the climate change green movement has now become a tub tbumping fad based on ancient data taken from woefully politically motivated computer simulations that are completely inaccurate and CO2 levels are well within the median levels this planet has had for thousands of years.
EVs are great to drive and easier to maintain so once battery technology catches up there’s no reason to not drop ICE power. As it the batteries weigh half as much as the gross weight of these vehicles which means their range is pitiful compared to the power to weight ratio of hydrocarbon.
Considering that despite this, they are capable of impressive performance and a (mostly) usable range, imagine how superb EVs could be with batteries a quarter the current weight.
Hydrogen though, no way, have you seen what happens when that stuff comes into contact with air?
Maybe that's where Ghosen is hiding his shares in the plastics company
In fairness, this interior hasn't changed since the car launched in 2011. The new 54kWh has a redesigned interior
I made that comment at the start of the video, man it's worse than I thought!
in my country this car costs the same like a loaded Skoda Kodiaq...
A Skoda mmm.. would that have one of those nice clean Volkswagen diesel engines. No wait not that clean.....
The subscribe button should be grey once subscribed lol
Bob, despite your best efforts. This is a hateful car, I'm not especially fit but I'd really rather walk.
I'll keep you company
I like straight talking!
This is an ideal car for the old lady down the road that goes to mass and the shop 2 or 3 times per week.
MrSinn I drive mine to work 5 days a week and at weekends. I’m not a high mileage driver, never have been but I’ve driven my Zoe ZE40 more miles in the last year than any other in the last 15 years. It’s more fun to drive than any other basic low spec car like a Clio, Fiesta, Corsa.
You guys keep walking, but keep your ears open there might be an EV behind you!
Forget Hydrogen until someone can make it without massive amounts of power and using fossil fuel to make hydrogen. Nobody has cracked making H from water in economic ways just yet no matter what the hype. No H refueling station in Ireland I know of (few in the UK). More than 70% diesel here and less than 5500 EV cars on the road not mentioning 230K car purchases this year (new and used) and 2.1M cars on Irish roads. So the EV share of Irish cars is 0.002% and preuming just under 4K Evs sold in 2019, thats .017% of cars sold. Average Irish car lifespan is 11 yrs so all in all unless the Gov gives us free cash then 100K EV cars on Irish roads in just over 10yrs is a joke just like H cars. Look how many LPG vehicles there are after yrs of cheaper fuel......
Wow... now that's a lot of sums before the morning tea break on a Tuesday....
Bob in your opinion, which is highly valued, is the electric bubble thankfully about to burst. Tesla's shares are nose diving and WM in China has also taken a huge hit.. Even the Chinese government has slashed its Grant's for these things and are trying to stop altogether.
Hydrogen breakthrough maybe??
Darren
It is true that subsidies for EVs are coming to an end in China, but on the other hand Chinese motorists in Beijing can now only get license plates for EVs. They have to wait 12 months to get a license plate for an ICE. EV sales in China are continuing to boom. As for Tesla. Regardless of what Wall St is doing to the share price, sales are going through the roof. The Tesla Model 3 is the 3rd best selling car in California by volume, and first by revenue. Have you driven an EV yourself? Even a low end EV like this Zoe is a joy to drive.
@@delboy4711
Del boy I have driven EV'S and yes the initial burst of speed and adrenaline rush is fun BUT the novelty soon wears off.....
Hybrids I do like. Best of both worlds but unfortunately no electric thing will ever beat the sound of an engine
i drink coffee so i skip this one
30k for car that looks like a Clio with 50cc scooter range 🤔
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Buy a larger Clio and save £14.000
Just saved you 14k😁😁😁 you welcome
£21k battery owned or £15k battery rental. More room inside than a Clio.
I was given a Clio as a courtesy car when my Zoe went in for it’s first service, it was pathetic.
Maybe the bigger motor versions are better but the 0.9l was a waste of space.
I don’t know how far a 50cc scooter would go but I can drive from Plymouth to Southampton in mine, just charge while having a coffee and a comfort break and you’re good to go, all the way.
@@keithwillis5662 I m referring to the 2019 Clio which the interior looks like a model S interior
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Clio is more spacious than the Zoe
Clio Boot Size 390 Litters
Zoe Boot Size 330 Litters
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If you don't like Renault Clio 2019 Materials you wouldn't like Zoe Materials, it's the same Car Make using exactly the same materials
The sounds the Zoe makes is annoying. If Zoe has the same infotainment as the Nissan I rented an a Nissan, then it is junk. Good for young family because the rear seat is useless for tall people.
The video would be so much better if you investigated everything first, planned the video then recorded it. Just discovering everything is fun at first, then it gets boring.
Watch something else then?
Oh no it would definitely lose its charm and it wouldn't be better because it is Bobs opinion and if he put it in other words it would still be his opinion and therefore it is good the way it is
I was wrong. Apologies
This video shows you just how far ahead Tesla is in the EV world. What is Renault thinking?
Selling a car getting on for half the price of the cheapest Tesla?
It. Looks. Awful. Interior is just like fisher price my first e-car
You should get back to TH-cam, near 6k subs!
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@@BobFlavinVideo thanks Bob. I've had other things on my plate the last 18 months, and struggling over the direction to go in. I'm working more on my music side now, which I will be sharing more of! Best wishes!
Junk
3.30 minutes in and no guide price...sorry unsubcribing
Prices are discussed in the video. Bye now, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
@@BobFlavinVideo it's constructive criticism...on Carwow they open with prices starting from, but that's sterling....it's a major issue. I don't want to watch the video if it's an everyday car but could be from early €20k to mid €35k's. Irish guide price is your USP. I'll ignore the insult
mashfour I don’t quote sterling, I quote Euro. If you are looking for a carbon copy of Matt then watch Matt 😀
Thanks
@@BobFlavinVideo I know you quote Euro....that's the whole point..Irish prices is your USP. Your arrogance is misplaced
@@mashfour Not arrogant at all, the prices are quoted in the video and you aren't happy with where they are in the video, you would rather I was the Irish version of CarWow. Did I miss something?
CarWow have a big team of people and are well funded, I work alone and have done so for a long time, I've heard your criticism and I'm choosing not to use it, my videos will be the way I want them and I'm happy with that.
Prices are quoted on car makers web sites, they are almost the first thing you see, find them there.
If you've come here to watch videos then join in the craic like everyone else, I'm not going to be a copy of anyone in fact, there's many are trying to be a copy of me.