Unlike the typical "Quantum graphenated thorium battery personally blessed by Deepak Chopra" videos in the various "Undecided", "Two bits DaVinci", "I don't understand what they say it may as well be science" that within two days are exposed as scams or simple misrepresentations of a preprint, and the above youtubers never care about mentioning that. Sorry for the rant. Effing youtube keeps suggesting me that garbage and I can't stand it.
@@pomodorino1766 quite refreshing, isn't it? those channels are sponsored, sensationalized click bait garbage. seriously, how often could a revolutionary, breakthrough technology emerge, frequently enough for one to make a video on, at least once a week? it's ridiculous. I love clicking on one of their 12 minute features, focusing on a potentially world changing technology that really turns out to be a niche start-up which is struggling to even meet half the goals they set for themselves. Dave has similarly made videos focusing on emerging technologies and start-ups but the difference is that he follows up on them and doesn't present them as the silver bullets to all of mankind's issues.
@@pomodorino1766 Which of the 3 basic EV drivetrains (BEV vs PHEV vs HFCEV) offers the most benefits, applications and potential to reduce fuel/energy consumption, emissions AND insane traffic? Your answer here __ __ __ __ __. WRONG !! The correct answer is PHEV plug-in hybrid. Eventually, combustible hydrogen in the ICEngine of a PHEV+H drivetrain stores at lower pressure in smaller-safer tanks and can deliver more than twice the equivalent MPG possible in fuel cell EVs. PHEVs distribute battery resource more equitably than all-battery BEV tech. PHEV tech is especially applicable to long haul freight truck fleets. PHEV tech addresses impossibly unsustainable distances routinely driven for all needs and purposes with economic and other practical incentives to drive less and likewise transport essential commodities least distances.
Thank you for keeping us informed. We've been following solid state battery development for a few decades now, and hope we live long enough to see it (and use it) in practical use.
Regardless how good and fast battery tech and charging gets, the bottleneck is the almost hundred year old power grid infrastructure in the US. Strangely I'm not seeing any significant upgrades by the power companies, this will not end well with millions of EV's charging day and night. Let the blackouts roll! lol
Oh it's basically guaranteed at this point. Molten salt metal air batteries are a much more in the future goal, perhaps even further away from practical applications than lithium air chemistries.
@@manoo422 Do you know a channel or video that presents the WHOLE problem without unnecessary bias or agenda then? I mean, it's fairly clear that this is a cursory video that lightly touches on the topic. He even states something similar. Actually curious- not trying to ruffle feathers here.
@@Abayas. Interesting that you are so conditioned you dont even notice the propaganda controlling you any more. Maybe you should consider stepping away from the 'mind control' and wake up to reality. Will you take the red pill and get the truth or the blue pill and remain a sheep...?
The issue I have and I think many others have as well, is that while charging is great at home or in urban areas (I.e. Washington DC), the last of infrastructure and extreme cold and mountainous terrain makes travel in parts of PA and upstate NY where my family lives sometimes impossible with my EV. When my normal summer range of 250+ goes down to 130 in winter, there is no way to bridge the gap between stations. Once I arrive in the area, its 55 miles to and 55 miles back to the nearest DCFC and there is no infrastructure at the relatives houses to install a 30+ amp 220 L2. I don't have range anxiety as I know my car well, what I have is a physical limitation do to battery capacity and temp. My call for higher range is not for optimal conditions, but for being able to take it on long trips for Thanksgiving, x-mas, etc with family and gear.
Regarding the L2 charging: the Canadian electrical code was recently changed such that you no longer need an electrical service upgrade to install a L2 charger. If you don't have the the head-room in your load calculation: you can install a whole house energy monitor. The whole house energy monitor will then pause vehicle charging during periods of high electrical demand. I worry this may conflict with "virtual power plants" that "smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell to utilities. The protocol for load-sheding on the water tank is invariably proprietary. Your "whole house energy monitor" may mistakenly think it is safe to charge the car during a period of peak electrical demand (and load-shed request directed at the water heater).
Just sharing you some info but you might not be able to buy due to “US National Security threat from China” So Chinese car hesitate to sell in U.S. China is a big country so what ever limitation US has they have too even they have more than millions of charging stations country wide. China call NEV which compose of BEV (pure battery) (around 60%) , EREV around 40% fuel cell (mostly in commercial transportation and freight train). EREV = extended range EV, drive train is purely electric motors with generators (ICE) using gas. It’s different from Hybrid and PHEV. Both ICE still involve as part of drive train. Hybrid battery is 2-5 KW while PHEV is about 20KW roughly 30-40 miles range. EREV install 50+ or ++ KW which you can drive 100-150 miles which cover daily commute or using 2-3 days if you live downtown which is roughly 70% - 80% of most people routine (purely run on battery) but giving flexibility if you travel across multiple states or having urgent matter (no need to stop for charging). It also can set running ICE on command (you have to push ICE to work) or auto (ICE start at set low battery level). Price wise a bit more expensive than BEV. The Tesla fan boy always claimed that EREV is not EV (not green) which is BS. Majority of all countries still produce electricity from fossil, (China output of wind and solar is more than whole world combined still have to use fossil and plan to build 48 nuclear power plant in next 20 years). The bigger battery that serve 20-30% of your routine also create more pollution too. The EREV also supplemented range lost in very cold winter. All for all, there is no way to be 100% green so if your car can be green 70%-80% green in your daily life and serve your remaining 20% without excessive battery (more pollution) is very reasonable. That’s why it shares around 40% sales. It is a good transition during better battery development.
My state just announced another $80M of charging infrastructure planning today; perhaps some of that IRA money will flow to an area on your PA commute. Unless your relatives are in a townhouse/apartment/condo, adding a 14-50 receptacle is typically under $2k; in my case (having done this *four times*), it was well under $1k x3 and $2k once, and I paid to have one installed at a relative's carport because I visit often. It's fine and code-compliant to "over-subscribe" an electrical panel; my current 200A panel has 260A of breakers; my previous 200A panel had well over 300A. Even if the panel is "only" 100A -- which is not unusual in older US residences of 50+ years ago -- an add'l 50A breaker (for a 14-50) can be added, though certainly care should be taken to not charge at max amps at the same time as running an electric dryer AND cooking a casserole in an electric range. But, then, most charging can be scheduled at the car (or the EVSE) for the wee hours when other major electricity users are offline.
for people that need to do long trips often, specially in extremely cold places, hybrids are probably a better investment. its also probably where hydrogen EVs start to become more interesting.
I loved my manager at my last job. I was there 12 years. But after watching 4 rounds of layoffs, and zero pay increase for 2 years, I quit the company. They had new owners. So I guess I quit the owners.
Dave, thanks for the great tech reporting. Now if someone can just develop an affordable home and small business scale battery. That’ll take the electrification of the power grid to the next level.
There are many products out there that might qualify for "affordable" I built 2 DIY battery systems and had decent luck. Both are 24V 8P2S configs of ~5KW-hr and 14.3 KW-hr. The 3rd attempt was terrible as the company went out of business B4 honoring their warranty of NEW grade A cells. The cells were obviously used and most were unusable. My latest battery is an EG4 LFP 48V 280A 14.3 KW-hr wall battery for about $4000. It has a built in heater for colder weather. The newer ones are UL certified. This is more than enough for my daily needs. Charge it full and use it over night.
Do not let good be the enemy of perfect... I.e. if they truly want to revolutionize the battery market don't aim for these lofty goals. Just aim for small improvements and the market will naturally flow there, pun intended...
For batteries even a 0.01% degradation rate compounded over 3000 times is 30% loss - on par with what we currently have so the bar is actually quite high and close to perfect 99.9% perfect
This sort of thinking, being willing to accept incremental improvement rather than a quantum leap is understandable, and perhaps during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, made a lot of sense. Of course, at that stage, there was little sense of urgency about environmental, climatological and other related risks, posed by consumption of fossil fuels and mined materials. However, it is becoming increasingly clear in this day and age, that we do not have the luxury of incrementally improving things, as this will take time the habitat we rely on, simply does not have. Solid state needs to hit the consumer market, fully formed and lab matured, artificially accelerated in its maturity as a technology. As much lab work and experimentation as physically possible must be done, to ensure that the first solid state batteries to hit cars or consumer use cases, does not get binned in short order, for the newer, more advanced version down the track. The aim here ought to be to ensure that there is no need to replace ones electronic car, within the lifetime of the driver, to ensure that the first iteration of the technology solves all the problems of the old tech it replaces, from charge times to explosivity, from physical dimensions and weight reduction, to improved energy density. The "range anxiety" that was rather foolishly brushed off as a non-problem, when it is actually an issue for many motorists (causing many who can afford it, to purchase both an electric and a petrol car, rather than just an electric one, which keeps the oil train running and damages the environment) should NOT be overlooked as it has implications which are potentially grave. We can't afford to have cars or other tech, put together with newfangled gear in it, only to have that kit binned in the upgrade, trade in cycle. The aim should be permanence, reducing the number of cars or other bits of kit being sold every year, by way of those pieces of kit being as good after a lifetime of use, as they were fresh off the production line. Perfect in these times isn't the enemy of good. Anything less than perfect simply isn't any good at all.
@@peteredwards2318 Amen! Capitalism is however firmly set against the last point. Building a smaller pile of really durable products will not win the day as long as short lifecycles bring in more short term money. This is the biggest challenge overall. How to break the “only buying new stuff (=consumerism) will get us out of this problem” myth.
Thank you for this! Your videos are increasingly important. This tech moves so fast - your channel is an invaluable resource & you are a top-notch communicator. Love the sense of humor and the dry wit 😊
@@JustHaveaThink electric vehicles have a long way to go getting 5 seconds in a 1/4 mile like 4 cylinder honda k24 running 5.86 lol same goes for towing range cybertruck only gets 90 miles towing lol and ford lightning and rivian r1t.
@@mattwill63Ah yes, the engine of the Honda Element, surely the pinnacle of internal combustion engineering excellence. My electric frumpy family car can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds as well, and I didn’t have to lift its motors into a lotus Elise body to achieve it.
@@PippetWhippet you can never make any tesla beat the honda k24 lol or any lucid dont matter how many modifications you do imagine spending over 100k to get beat by grocery getter engine BILLET HONDA K24-SERIES ENGINE BLOCK HANDLE 1700 HP NOW GO BUY ONE
Range anxiety is a real problem when you live in a country with vast distances and poorly built out charging infrastructure where it might be more than 300km of highway driving between fast chargers that may or may not be broken / in use or you want to tow anything.
I have doubts ya'll are even real people. But. Nah, even given your cases, it doesn't mean range anxiety is a "real problem". There are outliers for whom it can be a problem, but that doesn't mean it's a problem for the market or industry. Outliers just don't produce enough demand to make a business case to address it, the same way nobody bothers to build gas stations every few miles in the middle of the Yukon either. 1) AC wall charge or solar chargers taking advantage of all your rural land work just fine and can even get the job done quite quickly. How many rural Canadians who are considering buying EVs need to travel more than 500/600km every day or even every week? Even if your nearest rural Canadian charger is 60km away, you can get there 4 times and back JUST TO watch other people charge their cars lol. Even if we subtract an overexaggerated 50% for cold weather range penalty, I think we can agree that's still more than what even most rural people need any given day. 2) By definition and by logic, rural Canada and all other areas with vast distances between chargers have FEWER PEOPLE living there. Even if there are the odd outliers in a community for whom range anxiety may be a real and unmitigatable concern, they are a very small percentage. And.. they're not buying electric vehicles in any quantity in the first place! It's not a real market for manufacturers and, thus, their concerns should not impact design decisions in a major way. Obviously, things should get better. But the idea that current EVs somehow don't meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of the market is silly propaganda.
@Cyrribrae I don't know if you are real either or if you are whether you have ever left the city. I live in Australia where I work in a lot of regional areas as a contractor which is not super uncommon nor is it uncommon for people to here travel long distances. If you are following the coast sure the roads are pretty good and mostly chargers every 50-200km which is fine. But inland where the roads are not great and you can easily be 300km at highway speeds to the next 50-75kwh charger. When you add in reduced efficiency for having good ground clearance and robust tires let alone towing something you realise that current energy densities are just not enough. Fortunately CATL and other companies are doing an amazing job at addressing this but it really annoys me when people who dont live or work in rural areas claim that anyone who says that ev range is not enough is a fake propagandist. On Saturday I was at a major rural fuel stop where there were only two chargers, one was broken and one was down to 25kw charging speeds and the next charger was 86km down the road, hopefully the annoyed atto 3 had enough charge to make it to the next stop!
@@kingdomofashes hold on, you missed the point. You're trying to convince me you're a special snowflake who deserves corporate coddling because you need ground clearance lol. But you're the one who (for some reason) took offense to the video for daring to suggest that range anxiety is not a real problem. Sorry but.. Who cares what you think?? Why should your personal anecdote determine the direction of EV development? Not a personal insult. You should live how you like. But let's not get it twisted. We both agree you're not the target market for EVs. And guess what? You shouldn't be. Only 3.5m Australians live outside of a city, let alone super far from a charger. Shitty infrastructure sucks, but that's an infrastructure problem - not a car design problem. And again, JUST USE A WALL CHARGER. But yes, if you're someone who needs to drive 1000km every single day, then shoot, maybe just acknowledge you're not a reasonable market, let alone the target audience. Why can't we focus on the common use cases instead of the 0.1% of people complaining loudly in the corner? Seems really dumb to me.
The large battery capacities aren’t necessary if you can charge regularly at home or work. But for everyone else I think it will be necessary, so people can just charge once at the weekend. That unlocks Ev’s for another large chunk of the population
Larger energy densities means lighter batteries (we might start seeing EVs lighter than the fueled, or even dry, weight of the equivalent ICE car with similar range) and less material used (so more batteries made with the same amount of Lithium). With proper competition (which seems likely to happen) it should also mean cheaper batteries in the end. Pursuing those advances is worth it even if you don't intend to increase EV ranges.
IC engines allow you to do what you want, EV well you spec to your requirements which may mean you carry a tonn of weight to give you range which in the main you may not use. I think Hybrid is better as you have the option to extend range for those few times you may need it and recover energy normally lost to friction brakes. Diesel are good when run hard but not good around town. To change the planet to EV is very destructive, it is something we have to gently migrate to. The main pollution is not from vehicles it is from the developing countries making cement and nitrogen fertilisers. My Lexus is 19 years old and works a treat, emissions are practically undetectable. I don't intend to change.
Also necessary for people who live in the middle of nowhere. Parts of the Northern Territory in Australia have 800km or so between towns. Of course as a percentage this is a reasonably small percent of the population, probably less than 2 or 3 million people in Australia (of around 26 million, so 10%) would need that kind of range to get anywhere (ignoring residents of Perth, lets assume none of them plan to go anywhere east)
I don't know much about this industry but is it really that hard to build an EV with a battery pack that can be easily and quickly swapped out like swapping a propane tank for a grill? Swap out a discharged pack for a charged pack at a station and that might even ensure they get recycled properly. Wouldn't that also help with selling used EV's on the used car market? How will people sell used EV's in the future if they have to spend $4500.00 on a new battery before they can sell it? It's like having to replace the engine in every used car before they can put it on the lot. Swapping EV battery packs may not be practical, I don't know.
Petrol, LPG, Diesel emissions for those few who travel long distance is far less than the cost of infrastructure to charge EV's just to wave a green flag. I am from UK but I can't see a road train running on battery for a long time (cement Australia fires) . We have to be realistic and practical. If I was in the outback I would not be in an EV as I can get an IC home without a computer saying NO. Also I can't afford 50.000 for a vehicle to replace a Toyota Hilux or the like. LPG is a good fuel that should be used more, my old LS400 V8 loved it. As I said Hybrid is best of both worlds and reduces the need for a large battery, if you only commute a short distance and infrastructure available to charge then yes go for EV. Scrapping and replacing 800 million vehicles just to please 'Gretta Turnburg' is not going to save the planet more likely make matters worse. @@AusKipper1
In reality, this technology is not a destination but rather an evolution. More to the point, it iscacquestion as to when to pause long enough to introduce a functioning technology till the next improvement. So, ultimately, technology is just like autos and transport vehicles. Every year or so, a new model.
I wouldn't get your hopes up... I've been hearing about revolutionary new batteries since 1999. This week alone I've heard about 4 different new battery technologies. Which means I've heard from 4 start-ups trying to scam for investor money. If some company truly *was* on the verge of some new revolutionary battery tech, they'd keep their mouth shut until they've begun manufacturing them. Why? Because they'd be worried about espionage and/or stock price volatility (if they make a claim and then fail to deliver, it would tank their stock). The only reason you'd tip your hand is if you were out of money and needed investors to come dump some money into your company. Or if you have no plans to create a working battery and are just stealing from naive investors.
Range anxiety is different for different people. For my uses, the current state of EVs makes no sense for me at this time. Multiple times a month I make a 500 mile round trip to Northern Minnesota. This trip is always done in one day. The charge network is not as robust in the area I go to. I have also made this trip at -28F. Charging would more than likely add roughly 100 minutes of time for a longer range EV, in good weather. Not sure how it would fare in -20F. Now, things will change when we can have batteries that work better in lower temperatures and have longer range. Along with better charging infrastructure. But for right now, range anxiety is real for me.
It's like electric vehicle's. We spent 100+ years using gasoline powered engines. We're now utilizing solar, wind, and EV's with battery technology. I look forward to future generation's benefiting from the progress in another 100 years! Just say thank you youngsters for the future direction we have driven the world! 👍
The Model T was supposed to have an electric powertrain, but Edison could not make it work, forcing Henry Ford to go with the little-used Gasoline. Not much has changed in 100 years...
Very interesting. I read about the Chinese company that is building the plant in France the other day. Apparently they have done something vastly different called dry layering. Allowing them to cut production time by 50 percent. The article I read was from Clean Technica. I am not a scientist and my understanding of the technology is limited to the articles I read and videos like this one. It seems very promising. That being said most cars wont travel 500 miles without the driver or passengers having to stop for a break anyway.
I'm sure you have heard this before, the problem is the 500 mile range is under optimum conditions.Here in Canada winter is a serious thing and cranking the heater, which has been reported as just adequate to keep the wind screen defrosted can reduce range by a third and the cold itself can knock off another third. That doesn't leave much to actually get to your destination.
@@markbernier8434 I guess Canada will have to build up their own fossil fueled car and truck production when the whole rest of the world switches to susstainable energy. In regard to the time it takes to bild such a industry - 20-30 years - i recommend you start NOW.
@@markbernier8434 I fully agree. It is why it is important that those ranges and power densitys increase. I am not claiming EVs are perfect. However I would point out that in the 1900s the range of gas powered vehicles wasnt enough to get anywhere in Canada either whether it was cold or hot. We are at a point in time where there is a fundamental shift occuring. We are on the leading edge of the shift unlike the ICE vehicles that have been main stream for the better part of 80 years.
I really like how an EV with advertised range of 350 miles (under ideal conditions that never exist) has zero miles of range in the real world (as in the cold weather recently experienced.)
Great video! The only time my eyes glaze over is any mention of Toyota stating anything in regards to battery development as they have been liars for so long they can never be taken seriously.
Talk about lining up... I just found this (brilliant) channel a couple months ago and have went back began watching videos starting at the beginning one each day. Yesterday's video? The first one on Solid State batteries!
Just add 50% for a rough conversion from miles to kilometres. eg. 20 miles = 30km. (It's actually about 32km but it's near enough if you just want an approx conversion)
13:00 The Rivian R1T with 410 miles of range is called the max pack (probably 328 miles "usable" range). My husband owns a regular R1T which has 280 miles of "usable" range.
Sure, but for the Nio publicity stunt, I'm guessing they were willing and able to unlock the _whole_ battery capacity, not just the "usable" range enforced for battery health reasons.
Looking into FREYR batteries from Norway. They are currently in the testing and planning stage similar to Quantum Scape for semi-solid state and plan to have gigafactories in US and Norway in the near future. 🇳🇴 Hoping they can get the test batteries out there. Also publicly traded similarly to the aforementioned company.
Solid state is maybe the answer to all the issues with current lithium batteries but without long term data for large cells/packs I think we are decades away from mass adoption at least with EV. The majority won't want an EV with a solid state battery given the cost of EV batteries without knowing the longevity in a variety of conditions. I could see small affordable items being accepted and then confidence in the battery type building from there.
Many thanks for your thought provoking uploads, and presenting the information in a easy to understand way - if only my kids' teachers had your skillset. :) An ability to cope with extreme temperatures would be ideal for electric cars in my country (New Zealand) - which portrays itself as "green" but in truth, a sizable portion of the population are SUV or UTE driving petrol heads :/
Am I wrong in thinking that the areas of New Zealand with extreme cold are places where people normally have off street/road parking and can potentially plug in at home? In that situation the EV can be brought up to temperature before departure and that greatly reduces the impact of extreme cold driving.
Thankfully JAC is releasing their first Sodium-Ion powered cars this quarter if not already... Same here, I don't need/want a huge range. I want the cheapest most durable option which it would seem to be these!
Sodium is already here from CATL and others. It's not too great in terms of energy density, but makes a lot of sense for stationary storage. It is also being used in low-end cars that will be out soon if not already.
A $1k smart phone has a $5 battery. Solid state will be super expensive when new, so we'll see SS batteries in smart phones many years before we see them in cars. The fact that we aren't even close to getting SS batteries in smart phones shows we aren't close to having them in cars, if we ever do.
Spot on. Disappointed cost wasn't addressed in the video. SSBs wont be an "overnight gamechanger" if a 14 to 40% increase in energy density costs a lot more than ever improving and ever cheaper conventional batteries. Naturally costs will come down over time but I suspect conventional batteries will be powering most EVs for a very long time to come alongside SSBs for high-end EVs, motorcycles, planes, etc.
@@Kiev-in-3-days I think solid state batteries are most likely to turn up first in iphones and top of the range Android phones before anywhere else. The reason phones screens have got bigger is to hide the bigger battery.
Consider the different needs from a phone to a car. If SS batteries allow faster charging and range they make the car significantly easier to use. Let's say you forgot to charge your phone and it dies while you're out. That sucks, but you stuff the thing in your pocket and charge it up again as soon as you can. Now apply the same scenario to what is now a 2 ton brick on wheels. The other thing is that if SS batteries handle a wider temperature range better then that should mean an increase in reliability and performance. My current EV's Li-ion battery looses range when it's too hot or cold. Conditions I wouldn't want to be walk around in. And I'd like to imagine that if the battery can heat up more, we can potentially discharge more power to the motors quicker for higher speeds and acceleration.
Apperently, a company called Yoshino makes a solid state battery - "Portable Power Station B2000 SST - 1326Wh Backup Battery with 4x AC Outlets 2000W, Full Charge in 1 Hour", it is available on that website named after that South American river.
Of all the companies I think Toyota is just bluffing all of us. I believe they have nothing in their hand & are under pressure to keep their investors engaged. Hence they keep claiming this MIRACLE solid state battery for decades now. If something is too good to be true, then it probably is.
I just bought a used Tesla model 3 long range that is getting just under 400 kms of range with an 80% charge. I can't imagine needing more than this and I live in Ontario, Canada.
Depends on the fast charging infrastructure if one thinks about longer journeys. At least for me. 400km initial charge (in the worst case what is cold temperatures and a fully packed car) with reliable fast charging stations would be the end of my range anxiety.
Regardless of total range, fast charging remains a must for most people living in cities or apartment buildings. In a lot of european cities especially, there's just no way for everyone who needs a car, to have a dedicated parking spot with a charger. Obviously, the main solution remains increasing public transport usage, by actually making it an appropriate alternative to cars for most people.
Lots of reasons to want more. People that can't charge at home need a charging solution that that isn't a frequent inconvenience; one overnight charge every two or three weeks, perhaps. Work vans need to be able to work all day, without crippling the payload. Countries with vast distances need a range that is viable for their distances. I'd like a 1000km range just to finally shut up the Neanderthal ICE zombies once and gore all.
Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Physics in Beijing claimed a 711Wh/kg laboratory cell a few days ago. Simply it is a whole different range of energy densities that are proclaimed now by different manufacturers, compared even to a year ago.
That cell is not relevant for production. It was a showcase of what energy density can be reached, but on cost of other parameters, which makes it not relevant for Real life purpose.
@@bunsw2070 6.242 × 10^18 electrons per Ampere second> 200 Ah requires 4.49424*10^27 electrons, or 4 grammes worth of them. Electricity is extremely lightweight, let's get rid of the batteries entirely.
@@strichard111 My point what was that the cells in this video, were the lab cells 1-2 years ago. It is moving fast. The theoretical energy content in a Li-metal / silicium cell (not that we know how to make it now) is 2 KWh/kg. There is plenty room for improvement still.
can we dissolve the dendrites by hitting them with a burst of high voltage in reverse polarity? in nicd batteries if we hit the cells with a high voltage say 400 volts in reverse polarity we can blow the dendrite like whiskers that degraded the cell reviving dead cells sometimes.
Range anxiety is absolutely a problem for some. Where i live i and how much i need to drive in a day means i would be using a super charger EVERY SINGLE DAY. So no i cannot buy an ev. Plus many dont have roadside charging where they live. Theres a ton of problems with evs at the moment.
Thanks for all your research & work. It appears there are too many claims not enough trials to say what's what in this Solid State Battery progress as yet?
I would slightly disagree with you on range anxiety not being that big of a problem, but outside of that it’s great to hear some actual progress in the solid state battery sector. Also fantastic channel and very,Very educational, keep up the good work👍🏿
Have to agree that range anxiety is a very valid concern. People tend to think in terms of individual trips and come to the conclusion that trips greater than the range of a typical EV are rare so it's not really a problem. But I suggest we should be thinking more in terms of 'time between availability of a charger'. If you have no access to a home charger then you are reliant on being able to find a working, accessible charger at a mileage interval shorter than your range. The shorter your range the more often you have to find an available charger. Having to do this only (perhaps) once a month is of course far better than having to do it, say, every week, or even every couple of days.
3:24 to 3:39 , I wish to thank you from my heart for doing something not many do which is give credit to the ones who either discovered or invented what many scammers and under achievers try to claim their own. Too many times it’s happened where someone even on physics claims to have created or invented something only for everyone to find out later they just plagerize and scam unwitting investors into forking over funds and 99 times out of 100 advance not one mm or flat out run with the money and hide. Sure it wasn’t called a solid state battery back then and it may have been around the mid 1990s before the phrase was coined but you still have to move aside and give the pioneers due credit. Like battery swapping instead of stationary charging. Something that was recorded to have been implemented at the end of the 17th century but you still have those claiming they invented it. Thanks again .,
Last I heard, Toyota was planning on putting solid-state batteries into a wireless Bluetooth speaker they're offering with one of their pickup trucks. Presumably, they're using that to sort out mass production and gather data on real-world performance.
There are 2 technologies that i'm really interested in, and that i would love to have any updates on them. One is quaize drilling tech, which sounded too good to be true, and the other is the CO2 battery developed in italy for utility grid scale energy storage.
Low temperature battery performance may be just as signifucant as range increases. Of course, if charging infrastructure recieved anywhere the effort that gasoline fossil fuel nerworks have, this would all be a non-issue.
It's interesting, though faster charging is one possible way to solve the issue, however it seems unlikely it will result in a similar speed as gasoline refilling anytime soon, and results in cell degradation. It seems to me that battery pack swapping would be the fastest, most efficient and sustainable method of refueling, and could be automated, however it would require a high level of standardization.
@@newolde1 Yes, battery swaps are being done in China where companies rent the pack to customers, but customers own the vehicle. That way the battery longevity isn't an issue. However, it's a bit of a false comparison between gasoline pumps and charging. Charging could be done while people are shopping or dining or at work. The freedom from hazardous explosive fuels means charging is far more flexible, so time issues are not real issues as the cars can multi-task the charging with being parked. Still, people have that range anxiety issue... But even a low rate or quick charge could put another 20 miles / km in the pack without a full out hypercharger.
Let's talk about charging power requirements for a moment. One of these manufacturers is throwing around a claim of ten minutes to charge "a car battery". For simplicity of calculation, let's assume that said battery has a capacity of 100Kwh. 100Kwh * 60 min/hr / 10 min = 600Kw. At the 400v available from typical L3 chargers, that would draw 1,500 amps (!) I'm not sure how thick a wire that would require, but I don't think I'd be able to maneuver it to plug it into a car. OK, so let's assume that the voltage delivered to the car is increased enough to allow a manageably thin power cord. We'd still be stuck with getting 600Kw to the charging site, multiplied by however many vehicles you want to be able to charge at once. A typical modern home is set up to be able to draw a maximum of around 50Kw. So for each car you want to charge at this rate, a load will be placed on the local power grid equivalent to a dozen homes. Multiply that by the number of cars you want to charge, and you're quickly in the range of being equivalent to a whole neighborhood. The ramifications for the power grid are considerable. Somebody please find a large error in my math 🙂
Most peoples' eyes glaze over when confronted with calculations involving units. If you added error calculations and significant digits, they would go blind.They see the problem you identify as an engineering problem that will be solved and not a hard limitation imposed by physics. You may as well ask how it would be possible to supply a city with water pumped through a 1" inside diameter pipe. If you could somehow raise the pressure high enough to get the required flow volume, the walls of the pipe would have to be 3 feet thick to avoid bursting. It is not a perfect analogy, but close enough to make the problem understandable by people who have little or no scientific background. Watching TH-cam doesn't count.
You math is correct, but you are not thinking outside of the box. One option might be to have homes with electrical storage to charge one or two extra cars and network to share this energy at price. Small nuclear power plants might be an option.
@@lesp315 Who would pay the tens of thousands of dollars needed to install battery storage in every home? What effect would mining and processing the raw minerals required for hundreds of millions of extra batteries have on carbon emissions (hence, climate change?) Hundreds of small nuclear reactors might solve the electrical generation problem but would only make the electrical distribution problem more acute. There are no magical solutions to the situation mankind has put itself in.....except, perhaps, global population decimation brought on by extinction level natural disaster, virulent global pandemic, or global nuclear war.
One of the biggest hurdles we need to overcome is the crazy idea which we can't seem to get over that we need to produce vehicles capable of doing speeds that can't legally achieved on most roads in most countries, if we only made vehicles capable of doing the maximum legal speed limits not only would we save many thousands of lives on the roads each year but we also wouldn't need to pay for so many traffic officers to police the roads, plus nobody would ever get a speeding fine.
Strange idea, but could it be speed limit isn't the same on all roads? As all new cars already know exact position and speed and store those data, all that would be needed is a regulation giving access to the data(for trucks that even partly exists as extra units they have to have).
EVs have a few legacy issues - already! In order to 'prove' themselves a worthy replacement/successor to ICEs, they needed to match/exceed speed, range, 'refuelling' times etc. This is because customers can't adjust their thinking to a new product behaviour i.e. grasp the concept of topping off charge each night, at home, at low cost vs refuelling off-site for 10-minutes each week/fortnight. Ultimately, customer education may be cheaper than R&D.
I bought some Quantumscape stock in the summer. It crashed and I bought some more. Through all of this, I kept selling covered calls to lower my dollar cost average. When the VW data on the QS battery came out in late December, the price went up and I sold for a small profit. Since then VW dropped them and QS price has dropped again. I'm just glad I'm out.
06/01/2024 Electric vehicle (EV) battery start-up Quantumscape Corp (NYSE:QS) shares closed nearly 50% higher Thursday after tests from Volkswagen subsidiary PowerCo SE confirmed the endurance potential of its solid-state cell. "PowerCo SE, the battery company of the Volkswagen Group (XETRA:VOW), announced it had confirmed the results of QuantumScape's solid-state cell in an endurance test. "These are very encouraging test results and a milestone on the way to series production of the solid-state cell,” Frank Blome, CEO of PowerCo said in a statement." What are you up to lipsterman1?
I think the reason why Elon is not as enthusiastic about solid state batteries at present is because he would need to be convinced of their scalability first. I think Tesla will move towards them once they can be mass produced at equal or lower cost than the current solution
@@snowstrobe Comon dude noone says hes solely responsible for everything but he brought all the parts together to become one of the most successful human beings in history. Yet your here just being a hater. You know what they say you will never find a hater doing better than you. Guess you havent done much with your life hope it improves.
@@mamboa1986 anyone with shit loads of money can buy ideas that were already successful and claim that they were smart, he's an egomaniac who refuses to accept he's not personally responsibly for anything good attached to his name
I once switched on a torch, whilst camping no less, so I can confirm that everything presented here is true. Another great video, with no ads no less, from which I learned a lot, including that no bike makers were featured, which I think is a shame. I wonder were we'd be in terms of manufacturing, use and attitudes towards electric vehicles if solid state had been the first generation, rather than a later development. Thank you.
The reception would probably be more positive, but as usual, the goverments push unwanted, unrefined, under-developed crap upon the masses, who react accordingly. Let the market decide, and stop giving incentives. I do not want my tax money to help someone get a 7500$ rebate when buying a tesla that I can't afford to begin with. Just because of that, I'll never have an EV.
I think that solid state batteries are key to making EVs truly better than ICE vehicles in every single way. I don't blame Toyota for not diving in head first on EV development because current battery tech is still in its relative infancy and still poses a lot of challenges to mass adoption. Once solid state batteries become available in vehicles, ICE vehicles will truly not have a leg to stand on. Range, charging times, and extreme temperature performance issues aside, ICE will truly look like a foolish choice. That's when EVs will start to dominate the market.
Depends on charging speed and safety, but yes, energy storage is the weakest link. Toyota wasn’t smart, they just can’t innovate. They’ve invested who knows how many billions of dollars and research money pushing hydrogen over the last four decades.
@@aaronhunyady Hydrogen works and is a perfectly valid path. It's simply not well suited to powering cars because it's more suited to supplying energy at a larger scale, e.g. trains of which there are a number now.
Range anxiety is very real. I had an EV in Orlando. I had to charge 2 resorts away. I was hoping to get my family to and back from dinner and went to the charger after dinner. It was taken. I limped home and back again at midnight and was able to plug in. Afraid of being towed, I went back at 5 am to find someone had taken the charger overnight. I used the bit of charge I had to get back to the airport to get an ICE car. Range anxiety is horrible.
Exactly what I posted. When he whispered range anxiety isn’t a real issue he immediately lost credibility with me. I won’t even look at an EV until they can do 500 miles and the charging infrastructure radically improves.
We must be getting close to EVs being just "better" with no "ifs and buts" than fossil fuel vehicles. We are running out of time for this not to become true.
The vehicles will probably get there soon. Where I am the issue is the charging network necessary to get away from ICEVs completely. I can cover about 90% of my miles with my EV. That last 10% is the issue. But if we can cut down transportation fossil fuel use by 80-90%, in combo with other energy initiatives that might be enough.
@@andrewlucas6214 True, The safest car on the worl, 0-100 in 5 seconds can not be better than a 70 HP Golf II with defective clutch. Oh what tales we can tell our grand kids on the artificial campfire of our shenanigans with those old rusty child sarcophaguses.
10 years ago there was already videos stating that " solid state batterie are finally here " and that every years since. I was wandering when in 2024 someone is going to make a video about it. Here we go.
Range anxiety not really a real problem? Mate it’s 100k for a van that does 80 miles with a load. Trust me that’s a big problem, whether you drive one or rely on someone who does (hint: every does).
Elon has said that making the thing is the easy part. Bringing it into scaled production is another. Maybe that is why Elon hasn’t been vocal yet. I reckon that he is fully aware of all developments. And he is already putting his mind to scaled up production into different technologies when it becomes necessary.
Elon hasnt been vocal because all of the ' future tech next year' promises he has made over the last 8+ years have 90%+ of the time been shown to be BS. He's in an increasingly precarious position after his disastrous and idiotic purchase of twitter, the increasing doubt over whether space x can deliver what it has been contracted to do by nasa(i.e the american taxpayer), and tesla's 'self driving cars' ( musk said tesla would become worthless if it couldnt do this) have been shown to be not possible in any kind of a near future timeframe, and their tech has now become nothing but a glorified cruise control. Elon's real gift (and source of his hugely over-inflated worth) is in stock market manipulation.
After my boss died, I attended his wake, he had an open casket, and I got in line to pay my respects. When it was finally my turn, I knelt down beside the body, and said softly: "Who's thinking outside the box now, Gary?"
@@JustHaveaThink- so much promised with this material, (graphene) production of it in large quantities was the first hurdle then applications start to emerge! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Technologies No doubt you know about skeleton technokogies, some great progress using graphene and ultra capacitors - thought Tesla might have partnered here but I don't think Elon sees ultra capacitors useful - I'm sure I read that somewhere?
My guess is Tesla is one of the few manufacturers that is currently producing a cars at scale. They can't afford to spend too much time in researching the pipedream of solid state batteries. They aren't promising to deliver cars in 2027 hoping battery tech will make that deadline. They are producing cars now and need batteries that work now.
SSB seems to be that amazing battery future we all have been waiting for. And of course it doesn't end up there which is even better! Excellent report, thx for making it!👍
don't forget Super Conductivity, those "baby young to world" will not be aware of how we went through this same exact HYPE MACHINE with SC back in the early 90's or over 30 years ago. it was reported in all the Journals and the papers like the New York Times, yeah just go back and search the archives of these publications and you'll see the information still sitting there. ref: "Those who don't know History are DOOMED to repeat it..." - George Santayana (1863-1952)
people should stop giving Elon credit for using LiON batteries in BEV. other people came up with the idea and worked their butts off to make it happen. Elon didn't do the actual work and isn't actually an expert at chemistry.
If I had a boss that wanted a timetable I would always add in some extra time for unexpected delays. That way when a project was delayed I would have it figured in. If I got done early I would find something else to do until the time was up and then turn it in on time.
Your voice reminds me of the tv presenter Gareth Jones who was on “How2” amongst other things. Informative video - thanks. I bought shares in quantumscape a while ago, hoping they get their ducks in order soon and make me some money 😂
These 'follow up' videos are great. They are so rare in news and so useful
Unlike the typical "Quantum graphenated thorium battery personally blessed by Deepak Chopra" videos in the various "Undecided", "Two bits DaVinci", "I don't understand what they say it may as well be science" that within two days are exposed as scams or simple misrepresentations of a preprint, and the above youtubers never care about mentioning that.
Sorry for the rant. Effing youtube keeps suggesting me that garbage and I can't stand it.
@@pomodorino1766 quite refreshing, isn't it? those channels are sponsored, sensationalized click bait garbage. seriously, how often could a revolutionary, breakthrough technology emerge, frequently enough for one to make a video on, at least once a week? it's ridiculous. I love clicking on one of their 12 minute features, focusing on a potentially world changing technology that really turns out to be a niche start-up which is struggling to even meet half the goals they set for themselves.
Dave has similarly made videos focusing on emerging technologies and start-ups but the difference is that he follows up on them and doesn't present them as the silver bullets to all of mankind's issues.
@@critiqueofthegothgf Yes, we have a game changer technology every two days, but the changes are nowhere to be seen 😂
@@pomodorino1766 Which of the 3 basic EV drivetrains (BEV vs PHEV vs HFCEV) offers the most benefits, applications and potential to reduce fuel/energy consumption, emissions AND insane traffic? Your answer here __ __ __ __ __.
WRONG !!
The correct answer is PHEV plug-in hybrid. Eventually, combustible hydrogen in the ICEngine of a PHEV+H drivetrain stores at lower pressure in smaller-safer tanks and can deliver more than twice the equivalent MPG possible in fuel cell EVs. PHEVs distribute battery resource more equitably than all-battery BEV tech.
PHEV tech is especially applicable to long haul freight truck fleets.
PHEV tech addresses impossibly unsustainable distances routinely driven
for all needs and purposes with economic and other practical incentives to drive
less and likewise transport essential commodities least distances.
I love deadlines... I love the whoooshing noise they make as they go past. 🙂
as Douglas Adams was once heard to say.
I kept hearing that sound while working on my own projects - now I know what it was 😊
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Thanks. I was unfamiliar with Douglas Adams so Googled him. Now on my reading list.@@fuccasound3897
Thank you for keeping us informed. We've been following solid state battery development for a few decades now, and hope we live long enough to see it (and use it) in practical use.
You just need to work out how you will be charging them...
Regardless how good and fast battery tech and charging gets, the bottleneck is the almost hundred year old power grid infrastructure in the US. Strangely I'm not seeing any significant upgrades by the power companies, this will not end well with millions of EV's charging day and night. Let the blackouts roll! lol
Your pacemaker will have one.
Closer to market is a moving target. Promises, promises. I tend to agree with your former employer.
Oh it's basically guaranteed at this point.
Molten salt metal air batteries are a much more in the future goal, perhaps even further away from practical applications than lithium air chemistries.
I am not a scientist, nor even a college graduate but I sure do feel smart listening to you!😊 Thanks for all you do!
Its easy to sound clever when you only present half the problem.
Wow, thank you!
@@manoo422 I looked for your channel with 546K subscribers and 35K views in 5 hours but I couldn't find it
@@manoo422
Do you know a channel or video that presents the WHOLE problem without unnecessary bias or agenda then? I mean, it's fairly clear that this is a cursory video that lightly touches on the topic. He even states something similar. Actually curious- not trying to ruffle feathers here.
@@Abayas. Interesting that you are so conditioned you dont even notice the propaganda controlling you any more. Maybe you should consider stepping away from the 'mind control' and wake up to reality. Will you take the red pill and get the truth or the blue pill and remain a sheep...?
The issue I have and I think many others have as well, is that while charging is great at home or in urban areas (I.e. Washington DC), the last of infrastructure and extreme cold and mountainous terrain makes travel in parts of PA and upstate NY where my family lives sometimes impossible with my EV. When my normal summer range of 250+ goes down to 130 in winter, there is no way to bridge the gap between stations. Once I arrive in the area, its 55 miles to and 55 miles back to the nearest DCFC and there is no infrastructure at the relatives houses to install a 30+ amp 220 L2. I don't have range anxiety as I know my car well, what I have is a physical limitation do to battery capacity and temp. My call for higher range is not for optimal conditions, but for being able to take it on long trips for Thanksgiving, x-mas, etc with family and gear.
Regarding the L2 charging: the Canadian electrical code was recently changed such that you no longer need an electrical service upgrade to install a L2 charger.
If you don't have the the head-room in your load calculation: you can install a whole house energy monitor. The whole house energy monitor will then pause vehicle charging during periods of high electrical demand.
I worry this may conflict with "virtual power plants" that "smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell to utilities. The protocol for load-sheding on the water tank is invariably proprietary. Your "whole house energy monitor" may mistakenly think it is safe to charge the car during a period of peak electrical demand (and load-shed request directed at the water heater).
Just sharing you some info but you might not be able to buy due to “US National Security threat from China” So Chinese car hesitate to sell in U.S.
China is a big country so what ever limitation US has they have too even they have more than millions of charging stations country wide.
China call NEV which compose of BEV (pure battery) (around 60%) , EREV around 40% fuel cell (mostly in commercial transportation and freight train).
EREV = extended range EV, drive train is purely electric motors with generators (ICE) using gas. It’s different from Hybrid and PHEV. Both ICE still involve as part of drive train. Hybrid battery is 2-5 KW while PHEV is about 20KW roughly 30-40 miles range.
EREV install 50+ or ++ KW which you can drive 100-150 miles which cover daily commute or using 2-3 days if you live downtown which is roughly 70% - 80% of most people routine (purely run on battery) but giving flexibility if you travel across multiple states or having urgent matter (no need to stop for charging). It also can set running ICE on command (you have to push ICE to work) or auto (ICE start at set low battery level). Price wise a bit more expensive than BEV.
The Tesla fan boy always claimed that EREV is not EV (not green) which is BS. Majority of all countries still produce electricity from fossil, (China output of wind and solar is more than whole world combined still have to use fossil and plan to build 48 nuclear power plant in next 20 years). The bigger battery that serve 20-30% of your routine also create more pollution too.
The EREV also supplemented range lost in very cold winter.
All for all, there is no way to be 100% green so if your car can be green 70%-80% green in your daily life and serve your remaining 20% without excessive battery (more pollution) is very reasonable. That’s why it shares around 40% sales. It is a good transition during better battery development.
My state just announced another $80M of charging infrastructure planning today; perhaps some of that IRA money will flow to an area on your PA commute.
Unless your relatives are in a townhouse/apartment/condo, adding a 14-50 receptacle is typically under $2k; in my case (having done this *four times*), it was well under $1k x3 and $2k once, and I paid to have one installed at a relative's carport because I visit often.
It's fine and code-compliant to "over-subscribe" an electrical panel; my current 200A panel has 260A of breakers; my previous 200A panel had well over 300A. Even if the panel is "only" 100A -- which is not unusual in older US residences of 50+ years ago -- an add'l 50A breaker (for a 14-50) can be added, though certainly care should be taken to not charge at max amps at the same time as running an electric dryer AND cooking a casserole in an electric range. But, then, most charging can be scheduled at the car (or the EVSE) for the wee hours when other major electricity users are offline.
for people that need to do long trips often, specially in extremely cold places, hybrids are probably a better investment. its also probably where hydrogen EVs start to become more interesting.
Should've bought a reasonably-priced car that doesn't have such limitations.
People don't quit a company,
they quit a manager.
Holy shit this is why I quit MacDonalds lol
100iq take
I loved my manager at my last job. I was there 12 years. But after watching 4 rounds of layoffs, and zero pay increase for 2 years, I quit the company. They had new owners. So I guess I quit the owners.
what bullshit!
No they quit a company.
Quitting the manager is just a perk of leaving.
35,788 views in 5 hours. I think that says it all. Another really informative presentation. Thanks Dave
109%
Due to the mid-leading title
"I laster there about 3 months." Love that. We're lucky your manager was a jerk. I'm enjoying the updates, carry on!
Dave, thanks for the great tech reporting. Now if someone can just develop an affordable home and small business scale battery. That’ll take the electrification of the power grid to the next level.
There are many products out there that might qualify for "affordable"
I built 2 DIY battery systems and had decent luck. Both are 24V 8P2S configs of ~5KW-hr and 14.3 KW-hr.
The 3rd attempt was terrible as the company went out of business B4 honoring their warranty of NEW grade A cells.
The cells were obviously used and most were unusable.
My latest battery is an EG4 LFP 48V 280A 14.3 KW-hr wall battery for about $4000.
It has a built in heater for colder weather. The newer ones are UL certified.
This is more than enough for my daily needs. Charge it full and use it over night.
@@lunatik9696 $4,000.00 for that capacity is NOT affordable.
@@lunatik9696 DIY is not the way to go as it will never reach volume.
Sodium-ion
Small business and home are not the same market.
Do not let good be the enemy of perfect... I.e. if they truly want to revolutionize the battery market don't aim for these lofty goals. Just aim for small improvements and the market will naturally flow there, pun intended...
Isn't it "don't let perfect be the enemy of good"? But then, none of us is prefect... 😄
It’s the other way around. “Perfect is the enemy of good” - Voltaire
For batteries even a 0.01% degradation rate compounded over 3000 times is 30% loss - on par with what we currently have so the bar is actually quite high and close to perfect 99.9% perfect
This sort of thinking, being willing to accept incremental improvement rather than a quantum leap is understandable, and perhaps during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, made a lot of sense. Of course, at that stage, there was little sense of urgency about environmental, climatological and other related risks, posed by consumption of fossil fuels and mined materials.
However, it is becoming increasingly clear in this day and age, that we do not have the luxury of incrementally improving things, as this will take time the habitat we rely on, simply does not have. Solid state needs to hit the consumer market, fully formed and lab matured, artificially accelerated in its maturity as a technology. As much lab work and experimentation as physically possible must be done, to ensure that the first solid state batteries to hit cars or consumer use cases, does not get binned in short order, for the newer, more advanced version down the track. The aim here ought to be to ensure that there is no need to replace ones electronic car, within the lifetime of the driver, to ensure that the first iteration of the technology solves all the problems of the old tech it replaces, from charge times to explosivity, from physical dimensions and weight reduction, to improved energy density. The "range anxiety" that was rather foolishly brushed off as a non-problem, when it is actually an issue for many motorists (causing many who can afford it, to purchase both an electric and a petrol car, rather than just an electric one, which keeps the oil train running and damages the environment) should NOT be overlooked as it has implications which are potentially grave. We can't afford to have cars or other tech, put together with newfangled gear in it, only to have that kit binned in the upgrade, trade in cycle. The aim should be permanence, reducing the number of cars or other bits of kit being sold every year, by way of those pieces of kit being as good after a lifetime of use, as they were fresh off the production line. Perfect in these times isn't the enemy of good. Anything less than perfect simply isn't any good at all.
@@peteredwards2318 Amen! Capitalism is however firmly set against the last point. Building a smaller pile of really durable products will not win the day as long as short lifecycles bring in more short term money. This is the biggest challenge overall. How to break the “only buying new stuff (=consumerism) will get us out of this problem” myth.
Title is “Finally here in 2024!”. The whole video says “we’re getting there”.
Perhaps you want to re-listen from @14:15
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Thank you for this! Your videos are increasingly important. This tech moves so fast - your channel is an invaluable resource & you are a top-notch communicator. Love the sense of humor and the dry wit 😊
Wow, thanks!
@@JustHaveaThink electric vehicles have a long way to go getting 5 seconds in a 1/4 mile like 4 cylinder honda k24 running 5.86 lol same goes for towing range cybertruck only gets 90 miles towing lol and ford lightning and rivian r1t.
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@@mattwill63Ah yes, the engine of the Honda Element, surely the pinnacle of internal combustion engineering excellence. My electric frumpy family car can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds as well, and I didn’t have to lift its motors into a lotus Elise body to achieve it.
@@PippetWhippet you can never make any tesla beat the honda k24 lol or any lucid dont matter how many modifications you do imagine spending over 100k to get beat by grocery getter engine BILLET HONDA K24-SERIES ENGINE BLOCK HANDLE 1700 HP NOW GO BUY ONE
Very informative, thanks for your hard work/research. One of my fav channel.
Range anxiety is a real problem when you live in a country with vast distances and poorly built out charging infrastructure where it might be more than 300km of highway driving between fast chargers that may or may not be broken / in use or you want to tow anything.
yup yup yup, came here to say this exact thing, hi from rural Canada where a charger is 60km away and it's 8hrs travel to anywhere with another one...
I have doubts ya'll are even real people. But. Nah, even given your cases, it doesn't mean range anxiety is a "real problem". There are outliers for whom it can be a problem, but that doesn't mean it's a problem for the market or industry. Outliers just don't produce enough demand to make a business case to address it, the same way nobody bothers to build gas stations every few miles in the middle of the Yukon either.
1) AC wall charge or solar chargers taking advantage of all your rural land work just fine and can even get the job done quite quickly. How many rural Canadians who are considering buying EVs need to travel more than 500/600km every day or even every week? Even if your nearest rural Canadian charger is 60km away, you can get there 4 times and back JUST TO watch other people charge their cars lol. Even if we subtract an overexaggerated 50% for cold weather range penalty, I think we can agree that's still more than what even most rural people need any given day.
2) By definition and by logic, rural Canada and all other areas with vast distances between chargers have FEWER PEOPLE living there. Even if there are the odd outliers in a community for whom range anxiety may be a real and unmitigatable concern, they are a very small percentage. And.. they're not buying electric vehicles in any quantity in the first place! It's not a real market for manufacturers and, thus, their concerns should not impact design decisions in a major way.
Obviously, things should get better. But the idea that current EVs somehow don't meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of the market is silly propaganda.
@Cyrribrae I don't know if you are real either or if you are whether you have ever left the city. I live in Australia where I work in a lot of regional areas as a contractor which is not super uncommon nor is it uncommon for people to here travel long distances. If you are following the coast sure the roads are pretty good and mostly chargers every 50-200km which is fine. But inland where the roads are not great and you can easily be 300km at highway speeds to the next 50-75kwh charger. When you add in reduced efficiency for having good ground clearance and robust tires let alone towing something you realise that current energy densities are just not enough. Fortunately CATL and other companies are doing an amazing job at addressing this but it really annoys me when people who dont live or work in rural areas claim that anyone who says that ev range is not enough is a fake propagandist. On Saturday I was at a major rural fuel stop where there were only two chargers, one was broken and one was down to 25kw charging speeds and the next charger was 86km down the road, hopefully the annoyed atto 3 had enough charge to make it to the next stop!
@@kingdomofashes hold on, you missed the point. You're trying to convince me you're a special snowflake who deserves corporate coddling because you need ground clearance lol. But you're the one who (for some reason) took offense to the video for daring to suggest that range anxiety is not a real problem. Sorry but.. Who cares what you think??
Why should your personal anecdote determine the direction of EV development? Not a personal insult. You should live how you like. But let's not get it twisted.
We both agree you're not the target market for EVs. And guess what? You shouldn't be. Only 3.5m Australians live outside of a city, let alone super far from a charger. Shitty infrastructure sucks, but that's an infrastructure problem - not a car design problem. And again, JUST USE A WALL CHARGER.
But yes, if you're someone who needs to drive 1000km every single day, then shoot, maybe just acknowledge you're not a reasonable market, let alone the target audience. Why can't we focus on the common use cases instead of the 0.1% of people complaining loudly in the corner?
Seems really dumb to me.
Range anxiety is a real thing quite a lot, i find. Electric scooter rider here. I even took to building batteries myself to worry less about range
The large battery capacities aren’t necessary if you can charge regularly at home or work. But for everyone else I think it will be necessary, so people can just charge once at the weekend. That unlocks Ev’s for another large chunk of the population
Larger energy densities means lighter batteries (we might start seeing EVs lighter than the fueled, or even dry, weight of the equivalent ICE car with similar range) and less material used (so more batteries made with the same amount of Lithium). With proper competition (which seems likely to happen) it should also mean cheaper batteries in the end. Pursuing those advances is worth it even if you don't intend to increase EV ranges.
IC engines allow you to do what you want, EV well you spec to your requirements which may mean you carry a tonn of weight to give you range which in the main you may not use. I think Hybrid is better as you have the option to extend range for those few times you may need it and recover energy normally lost to friction brakes. Diesel are good when run hard but not good around town. To change the planet to EV is very destructive, it is something we have to gently migrate to. The main pollution is not from vehicles it is from the developing countries making cement and nitrogen fertilisers. My Lexus is 19 years old and works a treat, emissions are practically undetectable. I don't intend to change.
Also necessary for people who live in the middle of nowhere. Parts of the Northern Territory in Australia have 800km or so between towns. Of course as a percentage this is a reasonably small percent of the population, probably less than 2 or 3 million people in Australia (of around 26 million, so 10%) would need that kind of range to get anywhere (ignoring residents of Perth, lets assume none of them plan to go anywhere east)
I don't know much about this industry but is it really that hard to build an EV with a battery pack that can be easily and quickly swapped out like swapping a propane tank for a grill? Swap out a discharged pack for a charged pack at a station and that might even ensure they get recycled properly. Wouldn't that also help with selling used EV's on the used car market? How will people sell used EV's in the future if they have to spend $4500.00 on a new battery before they can sell it? It's like having to replace the engine in every used car before they can put it on the lot. Swapping EV battery packs may not be practical, I don't know.
Petrol, LPG, Diesel emissions for those few who travel long distance is far less than the cost of infrastructure to charge EV's just to wave a green flag. I am from UK but I can't see a road train running on battery for a long time (cement Australia fires) . We have to be realistic and practical. If I was in the outback I would not be in an EV as I can get an IC home without a computer saying NO. Also I can't afford 50.000 for a vehicle to replace a Toyota Hilux or the like. LPG is a good fuel that should be used more, my old LS400 V8 loved it. As I said Hybrid is best of both worlds and reduces the need for a large battery, if you only commute a short distance and infrastructure available to charge then yes go for EV. Scrapping and replacing 800 million vehicles just to please 'Gretta Turnburg' is not going to save the planet more likely make matters worse. @@AusKipper1
In reality, this technology is not a destination but rather an evolution. More to the point, it iscacquestion as to when to pause long enough to introduce a functioning technology till the next improvement. So, ultimately, technology is just like autos and transport vehicles. Every year or so, a new model.
Nice discussion. You were very unbiased by reviewing companies all around the world and i appreciate that!
I want these in my smartphone and laptop. I want a battery that last 3 or 4 times longer on those gadgets
This.
carry a 99whr batterypack
Its essentially what you want, but you need a cable
Great video, Dave, glad to solid state is getting there, sooner the better!
Cheers Martin :-)
Not my takeaway from the video tbh
Similar to how fusion power has been just around the corner for the last 3 decades.
Nice to know we’re getting there
I wouldn't get your hopes up... I've been hearing about revolutionary new batteries since 1999. This week alone I've heard about 4 different new battery technologies. Which means I've heard from 4 start-ups trying to scam for investor money. If some company truly *was* on the verge of some new revolutionary battery tech, they'd keep their mouth shut until they've begun manufacturing them. Why? Because they'd be worried about espionage and/or stock price volatility (if they make a claim and then fail to deliver, it would tank their stock). The only reason you'd tip your hand is if you were out of money and needed investors to come dump some money into your company. Or if you have no plans to create a working battery and are just stealing from naive investors.
I will stick to my petrol car thanks
Range anxiety is different for different people. For my uses, the current state of EVs makes no sense for me at this time. Multiple times a month I make a 500 mile round trip to Northern Minnesota. This trip is always done in one day. The charge network is not as robust in the area I go to. I have also made this trip at -28F. Charging would more than likely add roughly 100 minutes of time for a longer range EV, in good weather. Not sure how it would fare in -20F. Now, things will change when we can have batteries that work better in lower temperatures and have longer range. Along with better charging infrastructure. But for right now, range anxiety is real for me.
It's like electric vehicle's. We spent 100+ years using gasoline powered engines. We're now utilizing solar, wind, and EV's with battery technology. I look forward to future generation's benefiting from the progress in another 100 years! Just say thank you youngsters for the future direction we have driven the world! 👍
The Model T was supposed to have an electric powertrain, but Edison could not make it work, forcing Henry Ford to go with the little-used Gasoline. Not much has changed in 100 years...
I'd love to keep updated on progress of mass manufacturing of ssb
Make sure you subscribe and hit ALL notifications then ;-)
Your visuals on battery cathode-anode-electrolyte are the best I have seen. I have followed battery technology for years now so thanks. Subscribed.
"We are getting there" is British Rail motto. Did you use to work at British Rail?
"This is the age... of the solid state battery" 🙂
Very interesting.
I read about the Chinese company that is building the plant in France the other day.
Apparently they have done something vastly different called dry layering.
Allowing them to cut production time by 50 percent.
The article I read was from Clean Technica.
I am not a scientist and my understanding of the technology is limited to the articles I read and videos like this one.
It seems very promising.
That being said most cars wont travel 500 miles without the driver or passengers having to stop for a break anyway.
Prologium.
Another Chinese company Ganfeng has already test solid state batteries in production cars .
I'm sure you have heard this before, the problem is the 500 mile range is under optimum conditions.Here in Canada winter is a serious thing and cranking the heater, which has been reported as just adequate to keep the wind screen defrosted can reduce range by a third and the cold itself can knock off another third. That doesn't leave much to actually get to your destination.
@@markbernier8434 I guess Canada will have to build up their own fossil fueled car and truck production when the whole rest of the world switches to susstainable energy. In regard to the time it takes to bild such a industry - 20-30 years - i recommend you start NOW.
@@markbernier8434 I fully agree. It is why it is important that those ranges and power densitys increase.
I am not claiming EVs are perfect.
However I would point out that in the 1900s the range of gas powered vehicles wasnt enough to get anywhere in Canada either whether it was cold or hot.
We are at a point in time where there is a fundamental shift occuring.
We are on the leading edge of the shift unlike the ICE vehicles that have been main stream for the better part of 80 years.
@@najibyarzerachic very cool.
The biggest point of the article I read was the reduction in production time was significant.
I really like how an EV with advertised range of 350 miles (under ideal conditions that never exist) has zero miles of range in the real world (as in the cold weather recently experienced.)
I like the follow ups very much 👍
Informative and brilliantly presented.
Thank you, Dave! Another smashingly excellent video! Premier League stuff, mate! 🎉😊
Great video! The only time my eyes glaze over is any mention of Toyota stating anything in regards to battery development as they have been liars for so long they can never be taken seriously.
The laws of physics will apply no matter what the green nutjobs say
Even Toyota doesn't take Toyota seriously 😂
Vow.... I am impressed the way this man explains everything. Add me to your eternal fanbase list....
Talk about lining up... I just found this (brilliant) channel a couple months ago and have went back began watching videos starting at the beginning one each day. Yesterday's video? The first one on Solid State batteries!
Awesome, thank you!
Awesome video. Please also mention the distance in kilometres for us slow thinking metric persons.
Just add 50% for a rough conversion from miles to kilometres. eg. 20 miles = 30km. (It's actually about 32km but it's near enough if you just want an approx conversion)
Ok next time
Divide by five. Multiply by eight.
Quick conversion: Divide by 5, then multiply by 8.
Or, using the simplest maths: Divide by 10, then double four times.
X 1.6 it's not that hard.
13:00 The Rivian R1T with 410 miles of range is called the max pack (probably 328 miles "usable" range). My husband owns a regular R1T which has 280 miles of "usable" range.
Sure, but for the Nio publicity stunt, I'm guessing they were willing and able to unlock the _whole_ battery capacity, not just the "usable" range enforced for battery health reasons.
Looking into FREYR batteries from Norway. They are currently in the testing and planning stage similar to Quantum Scape for semi-solid state and plan to have gigafactories in US and Norway in the near future. 🇳🇴 Hoping they can get the test batteries out there. Also publicly traded similarly to the aforementioned company.
I love your vids, and this was a great one. I appreciate the pride that undergirds your efforts. Blessings to you!
Solid state is maybe the answer to all the issues with current lithium batteries but without long term data for large cells/packs I think we are decades away from mass adoption at least with EV. The majority won't want an EV with a solid state battery given the cost of EV batteries without knowing the longevity in a variety of conditions. I could see small affordable items being accepted and then confidence in the battery type building from there.
How are those Nuclear Fusion, Cold fusion, Quantum computing and room temperature superconductors coming along?
Many thanks for your thought provoking uploads, and presenting the information in a easy to understand way - if only my kids' teachers had your skillset. :)
An ability to cope with extreme temperatures would be ideal for electric cars in my country (New Zealand) - which portrays itself as "green" but in truth, a sizable portion of the population are SUV or UTE driving petrol heads :/
Thanks Angela. I appreciate your feedback :-)
Am I wrong in thinking that the areas of New Zealand with extreme cold are places where people normally have off street/road parking and can potentially plug in at home? In that situation the EV can be brought up to temperature before departure and that greatly reduces the impact of extreme cold driving.
Thanks again for a clear and concise account of the current state of batteries (solid or not). Much appreciated.
I am still waiting for the sodium technology.
Thankfully JAC is releasing their first Sodium-Ion powered cars this quarter if not already... Same here, I don't need/want a huge range. I want the cheapest most durable option which it would seem to be these!
I am waiting for sulfur. It is promissed double the energy with halfbthe price. Or something like that
Sodium is already here from CATL and others. It's not too great in terms of energy density, but makes a lot of sense for stationary storage. It is also being used in low-end cars that will be out soon if not already.
My doctor told me to reduce my sodium intake
@@PaulG.x "Paul, we need to talk about your diet. Eating batteries is not healthy."
I think all these potential opportunities from future tec, is very encouraging.
A $1k smart phone has a $5 battery. Solid state will be super expensive when new, so we'll see SS batteries in smart phones many years before we see them in cars.
The fact that we aren't even close to getting SS batteries in smart phones shows we aren't close to having them in cars, if we ever do.
Spot on. Disappointed cost wasn't addressed in the video. SSBs wont be an "overnight gamechanger" if a 14 to 40% increase in energy density costs a lot more than ever improving and ever cheaper conventional batteries. Naturally costs will come down over time but I suspect conventional batteries will be powering most EVs for a very long time to come alongside SSBs for high-end EVs, motorcycles, planes, etc.
Perhaps, but I suspect people are more willing to add an additional $2000-$5000 to a car than they are to add an additional $50-$100 to a phone.
@@SireJoeI strongly disagree with that. We are talking 100$ versus 5000$ here.
@@Kiev-in-3-days I think solid state batteries are most likely to turn up first in iphones and top of the range Android phones before anywhere else. The reason phones screens have got bigger is to hide the bigger battery.
Consider the different needs from a phone to a car. If SS batteries allow faster charging and range they make the car significantly easier to use.
Let's say you forgot to charge your phone and it dies while you're out. That sucks, but you stuff the thing in your pocket and charge it up again as soon as you can. Now apply the same scenario to what is now a 2 ton brick on wheels.
The other thing is that if SS batteries handle a wider temperature range better then that should mean an increase in reliability and performance. My current EV's Li-ion battery looses range when it's too hot or cold. Conditions I wouldn't want to be walk around in. And I'd like to imagine that if the battery can heat up more, we can potentially discharge more power to the motors quicker for higher speeds and acceleration.
Apperently, a company called Yoshino makes a solid state battery - "Portable Power Station B2000 SST - 1326Wh Backup Battery with 4x AC Outlets 2000W, Full Charge in 1 Hour", it is available on that website named after that South American river.
Of all the companies I think Toyota is just bluffing all of us. I believe they have nothing in their hand & are under pressure to keep their investors engaged. Hence they keep claiming this MIRACLE solid state battery for decades now.
If something is too good to be true, then it probably is.
6:56 what about a metallic sodium anode?
What about a gaseous Kryptonite Electrode?
I just bought a used Tesla model 3 long range that is getting just under 400 kms of range with an 80% charge. I can't imagine needing more than this and I live in Ontario, Canada.
You must be ill. Everybody knows Canadians need 20.000 kilometers of range @ -350 degreees celsius.
I would agree
Depends on the fast charging infrastructure if one thinks about longer journeys. At least for me. 400km initial charge (in the worst case what is cold temperatures and a fully packed car) with reliable fast charging stations would be the end of my range anxiety.
Regardless of total range, fast charging remains a must for most people living in cities or apartment buildings. In a lot of european cities especially, there's just no way for everyone who needs a car, to have a dedicated parking spot with a charger. Obviously, the main solution remains increasing public transport usage, by actually making it an appropriate alternative to cars for most people.
Lots of reasons to want more. People that can't charge at home need a charging solution that that isn't a frequent inconvenience; one overnight charge every two or three weeks, perhaps. Work vans need to be able to work all day, without crippling the payload. Countries with vast distances need a range that is viable for their distances.
I'd like a 1000km range just to finally shut up the Neanderthal ICE zombies once and gore all.
TLDR (watch). I read the title and quickly realized that I need to check back in 3-5 years. Thank you for the heads up. You RoCk!
Thanks Dave, things are moving faster than I expected.
Maybe it will become obvious that we can enjoy life without destroying it.
As usual excellent delivery of quality info.
Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Physics in Beijing claimed a 711Wh/kg laboratory cell a few days ago. Simply it is a whole different range of energy densities that are proclaimed now by different manufacturers, compared even to a year ago.
Now we just need infinite free electricity.
That cell is not relevant for production. It was a showcase of what energy density can be reached, but on cost of other parameters, which makes it not relevant for Real life purpose.
@@bunsw2070 6.242 × 10^18 electrons per Ampere second> 200 Ah requires 4.49424*10^27 electrons, or 4 grammes worth of them. Electricity is extremely lightweight, let's get rid of the batteries entirely.
Not yet, but they will work on bringing it to market, improve its qualities when it comes to longevity and rechargability
@@strichard111 My point what was that the cells in this video, were the lab cells 1-2 years ago. It is moving fast. The theoretical energy content in a Li-metal / silicium cell (not that we know how to make it now) is 2 KWh/kg. There is plenty room for improvement still.
can we dissolve the dendrites by hitting them with a burst of high voltage in reverse polarity?
in nicd batteries if we hit the cells with a high voltage say 400 volts in reverse polarity we can blow the dendrite like whiskers that degraded the cell reviving dead cells sometimes.
Range anxiety is absolutely a problem for some. Where i live i and how much i need to drive in a day means i would be using a super charger EVERY SINGLE DAY. So no i cannot buy an ev. Plus many dont have roadside charging where they live. Theres a ton of problems with evs at the moment.
I own a 2020 Chevy Bolt. I get 500km per charge if I don't need the heat or AC. I live in Canada. It works for me.
What about January range?
Thanks for all your research & work. It appears there are too many claims not enough trials to say what's what in this Solid State Battery progress as yet?
Except NIO stock is $6, nobody wants it.
this channel and Dave are really great
I would slightly disagree with you on range anxiety not being that big of a problem, but outside of that it’s great to hear some actual progress in the solid state battery sector. Also fantastic channel and very,Very educational, keep up the good work👍🏿
Thank you :-)
Sure, we can technically buy 350 miles of EV range, but can most people afford it? No.
Have to agree that range anxiety is a very valid concern. People tend to think in terms of individual trips and come to the conclusion that trips greater than the range of a typical EV are rare so it's not really a problem. But I suggest we should be thinking more in terms of 'time between availability of a charger'. If you have no access to a home charger then you are reliant on being able to find a working, accessible charger at a mileage interval shorter than your range. The shorter your range the more often you have to find an available charger. Having to do this only (perhaps) once a month is of course far better than having to do it, say, every week, or even every couple of days.
For sure, it is, rather, charging anxiety,* agreed
Just commenting for the algorithm because I think more people should follow this channel.
3:24 to 3:39 , I wish to thank you from my heart for doing something not many do which is give credit to the ones who either discovered or invented what many scammers and under achievers try to claim their own. Too many times it’s happened where someone even on physics claims to have created or invented something only for everyone to find out later they just plagerize and scam unwitting investors into forking over funds and 99 times out of 100 advance not one mm or flat out run with the money and hide. Sure it wasn’t called a solid state battery back then and it may have been around the mid 1990s before the phrase was coined but you still have to move aside and give the pioneers due credit. Like battery swapping instead of stationary charging. Something that was recorded to have been implemented at the end of the 17th century but you still have those claiming they invented it. Thanks again .,
Last I heard, Toyota was planning on putting solid-state batteries into a wireless Bluetooth speaker they're offering with one of their pickup trucks. Presumably, they're using that to sort out mass production and gather data on real-world performance.
There are 2 technologies that i'm really interested in, and that i would love to have any updates on them. One is quaize drilling tech, which sounded too good to be true, and the other is the CO2 battery developed in italy for utility grid scale energy storage.
Would you mind doing a talk about the to be built VW battery factory in Canada? I would like to know if their in a focus on solid state production.
I’m interested in QuantumScape manufacturing leap. Surely they need the backing of a multi billion dollar company like VW group and Mexican labour.
Low temperature battery performance may be just as signifucant as range increases. Of course, if charging infrastructure recieved anywhere the effort that gasoline fossil fuel nerworks have, this would all be a non-issue.
It's interesting, though faster charging is one possible way to solve the issue, however it seems unlikely it will result in a similar speed as gasoline refilling anytime soon, and results in cell degradation. It seems to me that battery pack swapping would be the fastest, most efficient and sustainable method of refueling, and could be automated, however it would require a high level of standardization.
@@newolde1 Yes, battery swaps are being done in China where companies rent the pack to customers, but customers own the vehicle. That way the battery longevity isn't an issue.
However, it's a bit of a false comparison between gasoline pumps and charging. Charging could be done while people are shopping or dining or at work. The freedom from hazardous explosive fuels means charging is far more flexible, so time issues are not real issues as the cars can multi-task the charging with being parked. Still, people have that range anxiety issue... But even a low rate or quick charge could put another 20 miles / km in the pack without a full out hypercharger.
Thank you; great summary update on solid state batteries!
Let's talk about charging power requirements for a moment. One of these manufacturers is throwing around a claim of ten minutes to charge "a car battery". For simplicity of calculation, let's assume that said battery has a capacity of 100Kwh.
100Kwh * 60 min/hr / 10 min = 600Kw. At the 400v available from typical L3 chargers, that would draw 1,500 amps (!) I'm not sure how thick a wire that would require, but I don't think I'd be able to maneuver it to plug it into a car.
OK, so let's assume that the voltage delivered to the car is increased enough to allow a manageably thin power cord. We'd still be stuck with getting 600Kw to the charging site, multiplied by however many vehicles you want to be able to charge at once.
A typical modern home is set up to be able to draw a maximum of around 50Kw. So for each car you want to charge at this rate, a load will be placed on the local power grid equivalent to a dozen homes. Multiply that by the number of cars you want to charge, and you're quickly in the range of being equivalent to a whole neighborhood.
The ramifications for the power grid are considerable.
Somebody please find a large error in my math 🙂
Most peoples' eyes glaze over when confronted with calculations involving units. If you added error calculations and significant digits, they would go blind.They see the problem you identify as an engineering problem that will be solved and not a hard limitation imposed by physics. You may as well ask how it would be possible to supply a city with water pumped through a 1" inside diameter pipe. If you could somehow raise the pressure high enough to get the required flow volume, the walls of the pipe would have to be 3 feet thick to avoid bursting. It is not a perfect analogy, but close enough to make the problem understandable by people who have little or no scientific background. Watching TH-cam doesn't count.
@@donthompson7889 Sigh, true.
You math is correct, but you are not thinking outside of the box. One option might be to have homes with electrical storage to charge one or two extra cars and network to share this energy at price. Small nuclear power plants might be an option.
@@lesp315 Who would pay the tens of thousands of dollars needed to install battery storage in every home? What effect would mining and processing the raw minerals required for hundreds of millions of extra batteries have on carbon emissions (hence, climate change?) Hundreds of small nuclear reactors might solve the electrical generation problem but would only make the electrical distribution problem more acute. There are no magical solutions to the situation mankind has put itself in.....except, perhaps, global population decimation brought on by extinction level natural disaster, virulent global pandemic, or global nuclear war.
Excellent update! 🙂
One of the biggest hurdles we need to overcome is the crazy idea which we can't seem to get over that we need to produce vehicles capable of doing speeds that can't legally achieved on most roads in most countries, if we only made vehicles capable of doing the maximum legal speed limits not only would we save many thousands of lives on the roads each year but we also wouldn't need to pay for so many traffic officers to police the roads, plus nobody would ever get a speeding fine.
The bigger hurdle is getting over the idea of needing cars for everyone in the first place.
Strange idea, but could it be speed limit isn't the same on all roads? As all new cars already know exact position and speed and store those data, all that would be needed is a regulation giving access to the data(for trucks that even partly exists as extra units they have to have).
The biggest hurdle is putting people behind the wheel in the first place
Sounds like idiots who speed up while being overtaken will grow their body count.
EVs have a few legacy issues - already! In order to 'prove' themselves a worthy replacement/successor to ICEs, they needed to match/exceed speed, range, 'refuelling' times etc. This is because customers can't adjust their thinking to a new product behaviour i.e. grasp the concept of topping off charge each night, at home, at low cost vs refuelling off-site for 10-minutes each week/fortnight.
Ultimately, customer education may be cheaper than R&D.
I've never seen such straightforward explanations about battery chemistries 🤯🤯🤯
I bought some Quantumscape stock in the summer. It crashed and I bought some more. Through all of this, I kept selling covered calls to lower my dollar cost average. When the VW data on the QS battery came out in late December, the price went up and I sold for a small profit. Since then VW dropped them and QS price has dropped again. I'm just glad I'm out.
Where are you getting information about VW dropping them?
06/01/2024
Electric vehicle (EV) battery start-up Quantumscape Corp (NYSE:QS) shares closed nearly 50% higher Thursday after tests from Volkswagen subsidiary PowerCo SE confirmed the endurance potential of its solid-state cell.
"PowerCo SE, the battery company of the Volkswagen Group (XETRA:VOW), announced it had confirmed the results of QuantumScape's solid-state cell in an endurance test. "These are very encouraging test results and a milestone on the way to series production of the solid-state cell,” Frank Blome, CEO of PowerCo said in a statement."
What are you up to lipsterman1?
If that happens, it will be a game changer in the automotive industry.
Energy density keeps increasing
I love your presentations!
I think the reason why Elon is not as enthusiastic about solid state batteries at present is because he would need to be convinced of their scalability first. I think Tesla will move towards them once they can be mass produced at equal or lower cost than the current solution
That would be on brand with Elon, borrowing other people's tech and calling it his own...
@@snowstrobe
Poor baby, did Musk sink your rubber duckie?😂
@@snowstrobe Comon dude noone says hes solely responsible for everything but he brought all the parts together to become one of the most successful human beings in history. Yet your here just being a hater. You know what they say you will never find a hater doing better than you. Guess you havent done much with your life hope it improves.
@@mamboa1986 anyone with shit loads of money can buy ideas that were already successful and claim that they were smart, he's an egomaniac who refuses to accept he's not personally responsibly for anything good attached to his name
@@mamboa1986 no most people do in fact claim he invented and created all these things.
I once switched on a torch, whilst camping no less, so I can confirm that everything presented here is true.
Another great video, with no ads no less, from which I learned a lot, including that no bike makers were featured, which I think is a shame.
I wonder were we'd be in terms of manufacturing, use and attitudes towards electric vehicles if solid state had been the first generation, rather than a later development.
Thank you.
The reception would probably be more positive, but as usual, the goverments push unwanted, unrefined, under-developed crap upon the masses, who react accordingly. Let the market decide, and stop giving incentives. I do not want my tax money to help someone get a 7500$ rebate when buying a tesla that I can't afford to begin with. Just because of that, I'll never have an EV.
I think that solid state batteries are key to making EVs truly better than ICE vehicles in every single way. I don't blame Toyota for not diving in head first on EV development because current battery tech is still in its relative infancy and still poses a lot of challenges to mass adoption. Once solid state batteries become available in vehicles, ICE vehicles will truly not have a leg to stand on. Range, charging times, and extreme temperature performance issues aside, ICE will truly look like a foolish choice. That's when EVs will start to dominate the market.
Depends on charging speed and safety, but yes, energy storage is the weakest link. Toyota wasn’t smart, they just can’t innovate. They’ve invested who knows how many billions of dollars and research money pushing hydrogen over the last four decades.
@@aaronhunyady Hydrogen works and is a perfectly valid path. It's simply not well suited to powering cars because it's more suited to supplying energy at a larger scale, e.g. trains of which there are a number now.
Do you actually understand what solid state actually means in this context or are you just falling for the hype ?
Great episode thank you.
Range anxiety is very real. I had an EV in Orlando. I had to charge 2 resorts away. I was hoping to get my family to and back from dinner and went to the charger after dinner. It was taken. I limped home and back again at midnight and was able to plug in. Afraid of being towed, I went back at 5 am to find someone had taken the charger overnight. I used the bit of charge I had to get back to the airport to get an ICE car. Range anxiety is horrible.
Exactly what I posted. When he whispered range anxiety isn’t a real issue he immediately lost credibility with me. I won’t even look at an EV until they can do 500 miles and the charging infrastructure radically improves.
I like this very much. Please continue.
We must be getting close to EVs being just "better" with no "ifs and buts" than fossil fuel vehicles. We are running out of time for this not to become true.
The vehicles will probably get there soon. Where I am the issue is the charging network necessary to get away from ICEVs completely. I can cover about 90% of my miles with my EV. That last 10% is the issue. But if we can cut down transportation fossil fuel use by 80-90%, in combo with other energy initiatives that might be enough.
They are absolutely no where near being as good and waaaaay less viable.
Let's put it this way. My Model Y's Long Range cost me about as much as a well specced VW Golf TSI. Is that good enough?
@@wolfgangpreier9160no..never will be even against the humble golf
@@andrewlucas6214 True, The safest car on the worl, 0-100 in 5 seconds can not be better than a 70 HP Golf II with defective clutch.
Oh what tales we can tell our grand kids on the artificial campfire of our shenanigans with those old rusty child sarcophaguses.
10 years ago there was already videos stating that " solid state batterie are finally here " and that every years since. I was wandering when in 2024 someone is going to make a video about it.
Here we go.
Range anxiety not really a real problem? Mate it’s 100k for a van that does 80 miles with a load. Trust me that’s a big problem, whether you drive one or rely on someone who does (hint: every does).
Great video....very informative....looking for a follow up as this technology develops. Thx.
Elon has said that making the thing is the easy part. Bringing it into scaled production is another. Maybe that is why Elon hasn’t been vocal yet. I reckon that he is fully aware of all developments. And he is already putting his mind to scaled up production into different technologies when it becomes necessary.
Elon hasnt been vocal because all of the ' future tech next year' promises he has made over the last 8+ years have 90%+ of the time been shown to be BS.
He's in an increasingly precarious position after his disastrous and idiotic purchase of twitter, the increasing doubt over whether space x can deliver what it has been contracted to do by nasa(i.e the american taxpayer), and tesla's 'self driving cars' ( musk said tesla would become worthless if it couldnt do this) have been shown to be not possible in any kind of a near future timeframe, and their tech has now become nothing but a glorified cruise control.
Elon's real gift (and source of his hugely over-inflated worth) is in stock market manipulation.
Musky is a pathological liar.
The best Video !
Very compliment for the Journalist. 😷👍
After my boss died, I attended his wake, he had an open casket, and I got in line to pay my respects.
When it was finally my turn, I knelt down beside the body, and said softly: "Who's thinking outside the box now, Gary?"
🤣😂🤣😂
Brilliant Dave! No mention of the magical graphene then? Skeleton technokogies are working well with ultra capacitors.
Hehe. 3D Graphene scaffolds are coming in next week's video, all about lithium-sulphur technology :-)
@@JustHaveaThink- so much promised with this material, (graphene) production of it in large quantities was the first hurdle then applications start to emerge!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Technologies
No doubt you know about skeleton technokogies, some great progress using graphene and ultra capacitors - thought Tesla might have partnered here but I don't think Elon sees ultra capacitors useful - I'm sure I read that somewhere?
Solid-state batteries are like nuclear fusion - which is only 30 years away and has been for the past 50 or 60 years
glad to see you finally arrived at your location.
My guess is Tesla is one of the few manufacturers that is currently producing a cars at scale. They can't afford to spend too much time in researching the pipedream of solid state batteries. They aren't promising to deliver cars in 2027 hoping battery tech will make that deadline. They are producing cars now and need batteries that work now.
That seems like a reasonable synopsis.
Excellent video
This is a DON’T hold your breath situation.
Seems like almost exponential improvement to me
I'm blue
SSB seems to be that amazing battery future we all have been waiting for. And of course it doesn't end up there which is even better!
Excellent report, thx for making it!👍
In other news: Nuclear Fusion in 10 years. 👍
Pessimist!
don't forget Super Conductivity, those "baby young to world" will not be aware of how we went through this same exact HYPE MACHINE with SC back in the early 90's or over 30 years ago. it was reported in all the Journals and the papers like the New York Times, yeah just go back and search the archives of these publications and you'll see the information still sitting there. ref: "Those who don't know History are DOOMED to repeat it..." - George Santayana (1863-1952)
Great stuff, keep them coming
I'm skeptical of any chinese claims on solid state batteries
Lovely talk with excellent and Lucid explanations for battery chemistry.
people should stop giving Elon credit for using LiON batteries in BEV. other people came up with the idea and worked their butts off to make it happen. Elon didn't do the actual work and isn't actually an expert at chemistry.
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Who needs to cares about that, he and his company has bought mass produced EVs to market like no one before him. Why the personal focus!
If I had a boss that wanted a timetable I would always add in some extra time for unexpected delays. That way when a project was delayed I would have it figured in. If I got done early I would find something else to do until the time was up and then turn it in on time.
I would assume this is done with most projects, but the delays just go even past that extra incalculated time meant to account for delays.
Your voice reminds me of the tv presenter Gareth Jones who was on “How2” amongst other things.
Informative video - thanks.
I bought shares in quantumscape a while ago, hoping they get their ducks in order soon and make me some money 😂