Okay, THIS TIME the Analogue Pocket just got a LOT better…
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Update 1.1 of the Pocket has opened up it's 2nd FPGA chip. Now with a little tinkering, you can play ACTUAL ROMs on your device.
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change the colors of your profile picture to something more eye catching. i think its why i miss some of your video notifications when i get like 9 new i gota check yours gets lost its not easily identified by the eye looking at 3or more at once
Great Stuff!
Hey, what's the game tittle on 10:40 time stamp?
Would be cool if the MiSTer cores would run on the pocket. It would make the pocket even better.
A few things I think the safe States you could probably rip so you probably wouldn't need to really save since the save states will probably save somewhere in the consoles you can just take it out of the console also I wonder if Pokemon and multiplayer games work on this thing haven't really seen anything on it it would be cool if they do
Spiritualized is not a stranger. He's been part of the FPGA dev community for quite some time & is just going by a different name. Back when the Pocket first came out they were in search of established FPGA developers whom they could send Pocket hardware to in hopes of having them develop cores for the system. This is the result of that work over the past several months. These are not the same official Analogue cores used in the system itself.
The fact that these have been worked on for months now is why they are so accurate. New cores that we start to see ported over from the MISTer will take some time before they are as accurate as these ones that Spiritualized gave us.
I had a dream where I had an emulation device that’s shaped like Bob’s face and now I need this desperately
im callingg the police, run bob run;
...well disturbing imagery aside, I imagine an emulation device shaped like anybodies face would not only be uncomfortable, but also very hard on the eyes. The shape of the screen alone would be an issue.
Like a spider-man popsicle?
Where does the screen...go??
@@noahdavis7406 on his fart box
"It's one step further away from that hardware emulation a lot of us bought this thing for"
I feel like Bob just doesn't understand how FPGAs work. It's working the same way as before the only difference is where it's reading the game from; the SD card slot instead of the cartridge slot. It's not suddenly using traditional software emulation just because it's reading roms. The games should play exactly the same my guy.
^ The above statement is assuming the open cores were released by Analog as Bob suggests in the video. Also I'm aware he was talking about reading carts in this particular quote but throughout the video he suggests the open cores may be using software emulation, which isn't how FPGAs work.
Are they the same cores, and are they constructed by the same people? If no, the cores could be different in accuracy, quality, and features. That's my understanding of the FPGA cores for the Mister, but I'm definitely no expert.
@@GoldenMean743 it's just like with the Super NT: there's a 99% Chance, that this jailbreak is by Analogue's engineers
I also just don't understand that statement. No, most of us DIDN'T buy the Analogue Pocket for emulation. A lot of people actually bought it to use it to play our actual cartidges. LIKE ME!!!
@@GoldenMean743 They don't have full feature parity just yet, but that's mostly because the API isn't yet fully open to the openFPGA thing.
he's not describing how it mechanically functions, he's describing its purpose. it's purpose was to play physical games, now it's purpose is going to be something different. it was sold on a different premise before than it will be in the future.
I'll almost always watch Bob's ads because they're funny/clever/creative or some combination. He does them right, he does them well, and I love him for it.
They go on too long for me that I end up skipping through. I wouldn't watch a 3 minute ad at the start of the video, so I'll be damned if I'm going to watch one during the video.
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This has finally hit the "worth it" point for me to buy! I'm so excited!
well you are fucked cause now they are gonna overprice this shit.
So for one thank you for teaching me how to do this, because I had no confidence in my ability to walk myself through it when mine arrives. Turns out it's easy.
Also that was way more entertaining than I was expecting when looking up how-to vids so thank you for that too
So pleased I ordered this years ago! Look forward to one day holding it in my hands
Thank you for posting this! Please keep creating the tutorials and updates for the Analogue Pocket
Backorders for this were insane when I tried to get one. I was able to get the Odin Pro instead. Pretty awesome that now this is available for the Pocket
Tell me about it. I finished ordering within 3 minutes of the order window opening and was placed in Q4 2022 rather than the first window earlier this year...
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Same. I was ready to go refreshing the page, but I had a 30 second credit card issue. By the time I was able to pay, I got Q4 22.
Wonderful video! Hope to see lots of progress made on the Analogue Pocket now!
“128 save states should be enough for anyone” - Bob “Gates”
Looking at the architecture-diagram, it seems like this is running on the same chip as the other cores. The Analogue has two FPGAs, an unnamed one branded Socrates for "user core" etc, and the other branded "Aristotle" for video
Yeah, still waiting for mine. Ordered it exactly when it was available to order. It’s scheduled for Q4 2022 😂
2:50 - it's actually still hardware emulation! The ROM code is being directly read by the FPGA - no software emulation layers or anything! the literal only difference is that the code is stored on the microSD card instead of the game cart. SO, really no compromises in terms of the gameplay
Let’s see who’s real under this GitHub Mask!
*Gasp*
Old Man Analogue!
Nothing fills me with more glee than knowing somewhere out there that an Analogue employee thinks he probably got away with the heist of the century despite fooling absolutely nobody. Great vid!
if theres no proof, theirs no crime :Ok_hand:
I don't think it's a rogue Analogue employee. Analogue knew more people would buy a Pocket if it had software emulation. And they knew they could get in legal trouble if they released a patch that made it happen. This is a loophole that would make it possible for them to release a patch that unlocks software emulation.
@@J05TI No, I don’t think it’s a rogue employee either.
The joke was more that an employee was asked to make an emulator without giving away he was working for Analogue.
@@projectalpha22_va Oh, I thought you meant getting away with it, as in Analogue didn't find out. Fair enough. I agree.
@@J05TI Nah, nah, nah! But, I also see how you got there, so no worries! 😅
can't wait to see a core for this to emulate the playdate.
I thought it already does, tho? I'm pretty sure I read an article where that has happened...or maybe it was for steamdeck lol😅 idk there are sooo many handheld emulators now
LOL Definitely! The Playdate and then the Supervision or Megaduck!
Absolutely! Pre-ordering mine right now!!!
I love that you realized that analog leaked those cores.
Most youtubers just believe what they are told. Bravo
Man, this is turning out to be the perfect hardware and software emulator! Maybe one day we can have all the features we want in it and works well!
Great video as always, BaHb!
Just think in 1 year when it's unavailable and only on the scalpers market for $100,000 each no dock included. It's going to be perfect!
Incredible video/news for me! Just came across this video after I completely forgot that my Pocket is coming in Q4.
Mines coming either Q3 or Q4, I can't remember, but I'm super excited about it. There was a moment or two that I was considering killing my preorders once I got the Steam Deck, but I'm back on board and ready to get this beast.
Dang bob is such a good actor he can even make it seem like he's enjoying Magic Spoon
😂
Depends on which Bob you ask!
We all knew this was coming and I'm glad it's here. Can't wait to get my pockets and get them set up
The only channel where I am excited for the ads lol
Great video, man! Thanks for all the info
I think NES and SNES cores are definitely a must have. I definitely would like one. My Modified N3DSXL is great for GB, GBC, GBA, and NDS. NES and SNES runs fine, however, I have to adjust a handful of settings to make the games run right. I've been an avid video game preservationist since the early days of emulation, so I am pretty tired of having to deal with various settings to make games work right.
This is the best thing ever. I wanted to get one but the fact that i couldnt run ROMs on it was a deal breaker for me
Finally got mine! Arrived two days ago and I ordered it the day I saw this video
Definitely more interested in it now, but that price scares me off a bit. I think I'll wait until shipping starts to pick up.
I am more excited about getting mine in the next few months (not exactly sure on the ship date, I believe it was suppose to ship in like August/September)
I’m finding myself wanting this device more and more as time passes. I have numerous Game Boys, all in original spec and I enjoy them but the Analogue Pocket has all the benefits of a modded system but tons of other benefits like no longer needing an Everdrive cartridge.
I appreciate that stuff like this exists.
I’m in group c for the analogue pocket so I’m waiting until whenever in 2023 I’ll receive it and I was already excited for the hardware aspect now I’m even more excited 😆
Mine is due in Q4. Was mainly planning on playing my Tetris cartridge on it, but excited to try more games. My Gameboy Pocket is starting to show its age. And a backlit screen is just what I need.
Games (cartridges) always ran on the 2nd FPGA. chip. The first was used for the OS and some advanced UI features. Users just didn't have access to add cores.
Excellent vid bruv! But, had to turn down volume due to voice….keep it up!🫡
Finally it makes some sense. I might even take it out of the display case. But honestly, I love the feel and look of my modded Gameboys.
This is great! By the time my preordered device arrives by the end of this year, the software should be quite useable indeed!
...that and your kids will have graduated from college, and we'll all be getting around in flying cars! Analogue's backorder wait time is brutal!!
Oooh, nice. That was the one thing I would have wanted from that thing. If that thing becomes available, I'd get it.
I’m thinking of getting one of these to play both physical and emulation games. I’ve never messed around with tons and mainly want to focus on GB,Color,Advance games. If I add the cores, do they have the games/roms loaded already?
Great video, interesting device, keep it up!
Really looking forward to seeing some more cores now, like the Neo Geo Pocket Color
I should be getting mine Q 4 of 2022. I got my order in Jan. 2022. Getting close!
Saves states do actually work with Everdrives on the Pocket. I’ve been using them for a while and they are one per game (Analogue Button+Up/Down for Save/Load). That is, unless they removed that functionality in the latest update.
I download most of Wikipedia onto a SD card and now my pocket can game and look stuff up about a game guide nice pro-tip.
Now, I always wanted one of these just because I wanted a great way to play my physical copies, but once you brought up save states that sold me on wanting one more so I can play crystal without a working battery. I mean emulation is also awesome but that save state feature sold me
I LOVE ANALOGUE!!!!! They have a store with nothing in stock. And everything is over priced. :P
i cant wait to get one omggg iv been waiting from the start of 2020
I'm glad I picked mine up from eBay earlier this year before things started happening (and they were way cheaper!). It's a really nice device and having these cores is a huge upgrade over the ROM carts I was using.
Still overpaid
I came for the controller vids but stayed for the ads. Thanks for the great vids, Bob!!
@WULF DEN Tennis for two was the first ever video game (1958).
I was THIS CLOSE to selling mine until this hack was released. Now I’m super happy with this device! The Neo Geo alpha is still janky, but some of the games are fantastic and look GORGEOUS on this display!
Analogue usually opens up their systems after a bit. They know it’s what people want. It’s now a handheld Mister Mini.
Thank you for clarifying the last update was a workaround and explaining it. Still not a hack man lol but yes we’re working on cores for the console.
I love how you tell yourself ‘ew’ I’ve rewatched that a few times
I have had the Pocket pre-ordered for over a year now. Supposed to get it in Q4. I honestly still can't decide if I want to keep it or not...
It's actually debatable if SpaceWar is the original video game. Tennis For Two is a demo from 1958 that often gets cited, and then there's Bertie the Brain (1950) and OXO (1952) which were both versions of Tic Tac Toe. So, like, yeah. Computers were invented by the British military to crack German codes and calculate rocket trajectories, but universities were given the first few models, and it did not take long for those nerds at universities to start experimenting with electronic games
...he says as he pushes up his glasses with one hand and adjusts his pocket protector with the other.
"Bertie the Brain (1950) and OXO (1952)"
I was critical in a comment earlier that Tennis for Two predated Space War, but I had not heard of these two before.
"Steam decks are going to start rolling out a little quicker now" is a smidge of an understatement in the context of every reserved deck being shipped by EoY
No thanks L'm good
Though that doesn’t help anyone who lives in a country that Valve refuses to sell to
And how there's no reservation needed
Hardware emulation is the same as "no emulation". FPGA's lock, or unlock transistor pathways in their cores, so their physical electronic paths are the SAME as official hardware. This is why an FPGA only has the lag of a wireless controller, or a modern screen, but no lag itself, while software emulation requires multiple computation cycles to function, because it is a computer program running in a computer program.
This is why software emulation has at least a frame of input lag. Analogue should describe hardware emulation in these terms, because people are getting hung up on the term "emulation", and not realizing emulation in the physical space is superior to emulation in computational cycles. It is not a "trap".
Tennis for Two predated Space War.
mines coming in Q4 of this year hopefully there will be custom theme/UI by then.
3:28 this whole ad is how I react and act when any of my co workers try to talk to me…
My Q4 pocket arrival is gonna be lit
1:55 it worked, because now I want one!!!
I shall be purchasing one now when it is available. I suddenly have a mighty need! I don't want to take my totally real physical carts with me when I go anywhere.
Just wish I could get mine before 2023!
Is the pocket able to connect to the original hardware of the gameboy advance or SP via link cable? I've been working with a special needs kid lending out an old copy of pokemon silver and a spare SP I found at a garage sale, but I figure the better screen could help him quite a bit. The thing is the $220 price tag is a bit steep for my blood and getting two of them would have me eating instant ramen for a while; nevermind the price of additional accessories.
The dichotomy of the ad haha
Do you know if it has RTC support for games like Pokemon?
Thinking of buying one myself, it just seems like a really nice console to have. Especially if u are a game developer :o
Cool! Where I buy some ROM games?
Will link cable work with the emulation?
Made some sense when it was hardware emulation allowing you to slot in your cartridges, but with software animation via sd card isn't it just better to buy a separate android phone and a telescopic controller like the Gamersir X2 or Kishi V2 for pure emulation?
Now to knock the price down a bit and make it more available then I’ll add one to my collection :) I don’t need one but it would be nice to have. Software emulation is more than enough for me.
Well, technically it was not "hacked". Analogue gave away the "keys" and told the community to do whatever they want
Any recommendation regarding SD-Card Size?
So i can use roms and the link cable should work right?
Does the sleep function work when using the GBA core?
Does the Link cable work on games when running them from a ROM file?
10:10 If you want to rip a GBA save, all you need is a DS Phat or Lite and an R4 flash card! I've done it a few times, it's great.
Eating bars is for hardcore astronauts in a survival situation
It would be great it could also rip my cartridges onto an SD card along with the saves. I hope it gets implemented at some point.
Hey man you can move your saves from your cart to the emulator, its very easy to do as well.
I definitely need an Analogue now wow
It’s still not been hacked though, it’s just that Analogue opened up the FPGA chips for use with custom cores. This is working as Analogue intended. Also, this is still hardware emulation, as it was before, the difference is that the ROM is loaded into memory off the SD card instead of a cartridge. It’s still hardware emulation, that’s all the FPGA cores are really capable of.
Man, Bob’s hair is looking good here, different . No joke or shade.
I've played an actual space war cabinet in an arcade it's a cool looking red cabinet super futuristic looking
Are you maybe talking about computer space rather than space war? Because I don't think they made a cabinet for space for but I might be wrong the computer space cabinet looked all sparkly and they made him in red green and yellow maybe blue and they looked really modern for the day with a bunch of buttons just checking
@@retropug oo I think you're right
cant wait to see you at liretro!
I ordered this so long ago I'm beginning to think they forgot about me. They said Q4, but I've heard nothing since.
I have about 7 cartridges I want to play, plus about 7 other non-GB games I want to play from other consoles (TECMO Super Bowl, WWF WrestleFest)...I could get this and between hardware and software end up playing fewer than 15 games total. But, I love those games a lot, and I love *contraptions*, and I've been wanting the Pocket also as a *contraption*.
im waiting for someone to drop a turbografx 16 core for it, considering how expensive and hard to find those games and systems in working order is now
Hi. Did you have any trouble connecting the SD card into the Pocket? I just got my Pocket and it's taken numerous tries to get the card to connect inside. I'm just wondering if mine is faulty.
Question: So if a friend has one too can we trade or battle in pokemon games such as Crystal or Emerald?
Anybody know the name of the Lake remix in the opening card?
These are looking more appealing as time goes by As I would love to play some of my more expensive games on them and not have to take it around with me and chance messing it up somehow.
And this is what I was waiting for! Unfortunately have to wait until 2023 :/ || But this does open the door to having something docked into the back of the console now aside from the catridge. Some customizeable third party option..
To use a not-quite-accurate analogy, when it comes to simulating the real thing, software emulation is to painting as FPGA simulation is to sculpture. Basically, a software emulator running on a CPU is dividing up its time between tasks. These days, it does that so fast you don't need to make sacrifices like give up sound to get decent speeds (the 2000s were a savage time), but there's still latency introduced as the software emulator plays a bit of sound, then updates the graphics, then checks the input handler, then goes back to sound, and so on. FPGA simulation starts with a big lump of unallocated logic. The hardware description file tells all that logic how it relates to eachother, to synthesize the actual hardware that ran the software. So there's a small processor that loads the hardware description, but after that, the software is running directly on the hardware being simulated.
We're at a point where software emulation is really good enough, so the difference is kind of minimal these days, but there is still a difference. Software emulation is generally results-focused, not process-focused, so often, to make things work acceptably, shortcuts and hacks are implemented which might not accurately replicate the original behavior. See, for example, N64 emulation, which is still surprisingly inaccurate today. Things like the video screens in Mario Kart 64 tracks that pull information from the framebuffer usually don't work. Nintendo's own N64 emulation in Nintendo Switch Online didn't do fog correctly in Ocarina or Majora. These come from shortcuts taken to keep the gameplay acceptable. FPGA on the other hand is entirely process-focused. It is blind to the results, and just focuses on replicating the WAY something is done, which should produce an identical result to the original hardware.
A lot of people don't see the point in FPGA consoles right now, or if they do they're the same kind of twats who think vinyl is higher quality (it's objectively not, it was a cheap, mass market alternative to open-reel players of the time, you can PREFER the sound of vinyl all you want, but it's absolutely one of the lowest quality audio formats ever produced, don't say it's better). When we see an FPGA N64 or Saturn console, then the choir of angels will sing, and the most hard-headed "why not just use a Raspberry Pi?" guy will understand the difference.
Just an aside to the vinyl thing, yes vinyl is worse when it comes to technical audio quality if you are simply playing a track at regular speed. But as a DJ, the magic of the vinyl comes from the analogue part while mixing and manipulating the disc on the fly. When you're changing the pitch (the speed the vinyl is played) and seeking through the record, the kind of direct feedback you get from manipulating a physically turning disk on the turntable is unmatched by any digital player out there that manipulates the audio digitally. It just *feels* different. That's one of the main things why I love playing vinyl still to this day, and I can vouch for a large community of vinyl playing DJs that feel the same way.
And when it comes to the audio quality, vinyl is just simply good enough. If the conditions are ok (there's not too much dust on the record, the vinyl and the needle are not deteriorated too much and there's no major vibrations coming to the turntable) and the DJ is adjusting the EQ correctly it still sounds excellent. And a bit of crackling is arguably kind of charming.
Digital players have been of course getting much better in recent years and obviously it gives more options and tools available to the DJ that simply aren't doable with vinyl players (looping, autosync etc.), but I think there will always be a place for physical media in music.
hello investor-scalpers,
"i paid for its authenticity, because FPGA is NOT emulation, it NEVER aimed to be like those dirty chaynese crap emulators, premium price because it plays ORIGINAL CARTRIDGE ONLY"
investors then: "buy this, fpga iS nOt aN eMuLat1OOOON"
investors now:"buy this, fpga is 100%accurate hardware emulation and it has other CLONE cores to play "
Save states using memories does work for the ez flash
Save states on the SD-Card loaded games, that’s huge! I wish my NT Mini Noir had that feature on the jailbreak!…
Bob I’m starting to watch your videos just to watch the ad, the ads are way too good!