HP has a printer Subscription service. It starts at $7 a month for 20 text only prints. And you don't own the printer either. This is what every company wants. Because "owning" is a one time purchase. Why sell you a fridge when they can charge a monthly fee for it. We're living in a dystopia but without the cool sci-fi stuff.
They are doing that with housing right now in the US. Huge companies buying all the homes so you never can own one. You'll always have to pay them for shelter. Disgusting
Who cares if we can't use or play garbage stuff anymore? We have more awesome stuff than you can imagine and emulation isn't going anywhere, most emulators circumvent most legal laws and downloading ROMs cannot cause legal action since it can't be enforced to not do so. Still wish employment and work ethic was better tho 😔
@@TurboSax My point is that eventuality is never going to happen unless virtually everyone stopped fighting for ownership which means it's not gonna happen anytime soon. By the time this eventuality even comes, the world probably ended already
@@IfritBoiAnd thinking like this lets these things happen sooner and it all happens before the world has ended… No one is saying ‘no’ to advancing technology. We’re just saying ‘no’ to “rent (subscription) to never own”.
Give it a year, maybe 2, we'll see a new, better 3DS emulator replace it. Look how many GBA and GBC emulators are out there, and new ones are still being made, give it time, 3DS emulation will come back stronger than ever.
Their games also suffer from a piracy problem, though. Doesn't matter how good the service is, there are people that just don't want to pay for anything. That's always what piracy has been.
@@ColorblindMonk You will always have some piracy, but it's a lot less than before Steam. Also PC gaming has never been as popular as it is now. Over 400 million steam users with over 120 million monthly active. PC gamers are a bit older than console gamers, many of them grew up with Nintendo consoles but are not willing to buy a console for a few exclusives. Nintendo will benefit greatly from releasing on Steam. Maybe even more than Sony and Microsoft since there is even less overlap.
@@SolidPython2099 No. The point is the quality of the service, and steam has proved it. Nintendo has done a terrible job on supporting old platforms and games.
@@SlyRyFryyou aren't the arbiter of what Nintendo should value their own games at and just because that makes you a pissy baby doesn't mean they're "one of the best examples of a bad company". They value their games, that's why they almost never go on sale and people buy them without waiting, its why they have a healthy and prospering gaming business with a huge variety of software available, while every other gaming company is suffering from layoffs, unsustainable ballooning budgets and free2play slop being shoved into your throat left and right.
My rule when it comes to emulation and downloading ROMS is if the game is actively sold for a current platform, I buy it and play it there. As soon as it has stopped being sold at first-party sellers, its fair game. Trying to get games secondhand after they are no longer in production can get really difficult and expensive. I am a big fan of the GBA and I like to get my own copies of games and squirrel away their ROMS for safe-keeping. But sometimes their are games that are either so coveted or so niche that you cannot find it anywhere, or if you do you must pay a warchest of money for it. I warchest of money, that Nintendo does not see a penny of mind you In that case, I think that a little adventure to the open seas is more than fair.
That’s the exact same reasoning I go by, which is why I believe the take down of yuzu was completely justified by Nintendo considering they are still actively selling switches, and games for it. But for the Wii? Dolphin all the way babyyyy
@@Schloopytoober ehhh once it's out it should be available for emu, id rather see Nintendo monetize emulation in house and have some rules with it for it to be an okay thing over the current system which is technically fully legal but everyone treats it the same as piracy full send always
@@TheEldritchVoid I mean yea that is fair but considering how hard it is to get games for your emulator legally then it is to just search up “(game name) rom (console)” online I don’t think we’ll get there any time soon
@@plague4661wow, thanks for your whole analysis and opinion on the comment. We all know it's not original. It should still be repeated so other people become aware. If it was said once, by the original guy, do you think you'd know about this? Do you even know who actually said this. It's the internet, 99% of stuff is unoriginal. Move on.
@@KangKoopa yeah, almost like the 'real' world fucks us and consumers over time and time again. Saying 'that sucks man, get over it' to what is essentially a person downloading files to their computer to play software that isn't even being sold anymore hurts no one
Many years ago, my uncle bought a PC just to use it for music. It was basically a dream come true for him, because he was really into music, and he now had a 'magic jukebox' thay could play any song he wanted. He spent a small fortune downloading music, and then one day, the company he bought it from went out of business and he lost it all. The music was still there on his machine, but he couldn't play it, because it couldn't connect to the server. I printed off a list of all the music that was on there, and spent the next few weeks pirating it all, probably from Napster or Limewire or something (edit: it was eMule!). I burned it all onto MP3 CDs and transferred it onto my uncle's machine, giving him the CDs as backup. Ever since then, I have made sure I have my own copy of media, so I'm not subject to the whims of the company I bought it from. If they don't make it available in a format I can keep, such as physical media or a DRM-free download, then I have no qualms about pirating it.
@@Fender178 even if you will buy a game from ebay for a million bucks publisher or developer will still not get a single cent from that purchise. With older games those publishers or devs might not exist anymore. I can't see the point of buying a game off of ebay unless you collect them physically. If you want somehow pay to devs or publishers the only way is from digital stores.
It's very simple to me. If I can go to the local store and buy the console I want to emulate, I'll go buy the thing. If it's not made anymore, I'll emulate it.
Exactly. Once it’s not manufactured anymore and the only option is second hand scalpers. That or I own the game already I’ll emulate the version I legally bought.
I'll buy the game second hand, rip it and play it on emulator at 60 fps+, and 4K, so Nintendo never gets my money. Nothing illegal about that and then I don't need to support their crap.
For every one company who wants to slap the emulation community with their giant rubber legal-dong, there's a hundred hackers foaming at the mouth to spite them.
just having a emulator functional on your harddrive/usb/ssd means you are contributing towards the preservation of videogames and imo makes you a better person for it@@DaWrecka
- Get an emulator for N64 games - Buy a 2nd hand copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day for $600 - Backup your copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day - Sell your physical copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day for $600 - Keep & continue to play your digital copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day Would this be ok? What's the difference between this & downloading a copy of a game off the internet?
Bruh you shouldn't be spending that much money on 1 game just download the ROM nothing bad will happen I don't understand going to these lengths just to play an old game that isn't even sold anymore just download the ROM dude
The difference is that you get to brag online about how moral your actions were even though the devs won't see any money from your second hand purchase of what is essentially abandonware.
not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure you'd cease legally having a right to that backup the second you sell it again at least in the states. However, you'd likely not get in trouble for it as long as you didn't self-snitch about it...... like you're potentially doing right now. lol
Something I noticed, the Drastic DS emulator for Android used to cost money (I think around $5), but after the whole situation that happened with Yuzu and Citra being shut down, Drastic is now completely free to download. I guess the developers of said emulator don't want to take any further risks with it costing money.
Sounds like the author wanted to distance himself from profiting from the product, also it will soon be delisted, but he promised the source would be released.
4:20 Wolfman Bob's genius marketing has made it impossible to skip his factor ads because I need the dopamine shot I get from him shouting "YAHUNGRY" at me. It always improves my day. Thank you, Wolfman.
I read Nintendo's court filing, and wow. It's absolutely filled with assertions Nintendo knows damn well aren't true. Instead, it's basically what Nintendo _wants_ to be true.
I'll never understand why the Yuzu team didn't try to find a pro-bono lawyer. One couldn't be hard to find considering the almost guaranteed millions they could make.
@@clanpsiTwo reasons: Because some of what they did might have been a little too deep in grey areas... and also because if they messed it up at all, it could set a very damaging precedent. It's probably better to wait until the courts are more progressive before fighting this fight.
7:55 - We're actually getting into the territory where you can't buy an old car and work on it. I'm sure you've heard about all the issues farmers have had with John Deer tractors.
At 6:30 it’s important to note that you can keep you save without backing it up. This requires you to insert the game without the front half on in the console, turn it on and then change the battery from there. It’s not recommended that you do that, but it is possible to do
In my opinion Emulation and Roms are perfectly fine as long as you can support any official release of that title. There are countless games that people can't play or purchase on PC or the new systems, either through not being ported, IP is lost or the original data is gone. Plus having the roms is the perfect way to preserve these titles.
I feel the same way but also it’s better (imo) to emulate and use Roms of games and consoles that are no longer officially supported as then the people who worked hard to make those games (such as small studios and indie devs and yes even the AAA studios) will have already made all the money they could’ve made by then. Also make sure to check out the home brew game scene and if you want to play modern games but can’t afford it, see if your local library lets you check out games (if possible, my library does)
When I was in university living in a small ass department someone broke in and basically stole all my retro consoles of which I was the only owner. I've been trying to rebuild my collection now buying old consoles from flea markets and online stores, but emulation has allowed me to replay all my childhood games while im still missing some consoles or game cartriges/discs, considering how hard it is to find some in good condition. P.D. I must know the model of the sony mini tv at 10:00 rrrrrrrrrr
This needs to be seen by everyone. Archival is so important and with nintendo pulling stunts like this we absolutely need more protections for property we own.
_"Video games are not software"_ I had to replay that part literally a dozen times to believe my ears in what I've just heard! What an insane statement! 🤦 But hey, that means that the paragraph about not copying their software has no bearing on us backing up our games, since "video games are not software", right? 😜 (Also, terms and conditions in an EULA that contradict actual law should not be enforceable and backing up software/copying it for private use is a consumer right granted by law.)
What about used games? While I agree with you that emulation is not piracy, the logic of "never download a game" doesn't hold water when you factor in used games. 90% of retro games have no modern digital equivalent, therefore the only way to acquire them and rip them is to buy them used. The original company isn't making a dime off that. In order to "not be a pirate" you would have to rip your own games AND have bought them when they were new. That's just not possible for a huge majority of gamers.
They expect people to buy every console in existence, you can't realisticaly buy everything as an average earning guy, you lose no matter what you chose and they expect piracy to not exist, same thing happens with streaming sites.
@@luimu uh, yes? Gaming is a luxury, not your god given right or some kind of necessity for living. You aren't owed to everything to be available on your 1 preferred device.
They dont expect people to buy every console in existence, they just like knowing that they can resell lazy ports of their games in the future without competition.
@@SolidPython2099 people shouldn't need to own every console to play everything because there's a practice called "exclusive games" and hopefully it is a dying practice. maybe only nintendo will keep doing it because it wants to sell consoles, and that one deserves to be pirated
7:10 when you steal a twix someone loses that bar, if you download a copy of a game you own on the internet, not a single person in the planet is gonna lose their copy because you downloaded it
Well, except the massive billion dollar a year corporation loses a _theoretical_ sale... oh no wait, you probably wouldn't have purchased it in the first place. But of course they don't care, if you got too play it at all, you owe them.
It's even better. Not only does downloading a copy not deprive anyone of their copy... it actually tends to increase profits for the company who made it. It's basically free advertising and increased sales. This is widely known in the software world, and it's why barely anyone ever enforces anti-piracy laws. Because they know most "piracy" actually benefits them.
I generally love Bob's takes, and I get his frustrations with companies being selective with their legacies.. But yeah, he lost me on that one. Plus it's not like if everyone bought the games at a secondhand store, that the major companies would get a dime anyways. The way I see it, if the company isn't supporting that media anymore, then it's free reign since they're not going to see a dime anyways if you try to go legit.
If I steal a friend's copy of Sonic Blast Man II for SNES they no longer have it, but if I download a copy of it from the internet after it is no longer being sold officially, the only people I'm "stealing" from are the scalpers expecting me to pay $800 for it.
@@TheRealAlpha2Maybe people _would_ purchase it if it were at all reasonable to obtain. Panzer Dragoon Saga? Pokémon Emerald? Solatorobo? Earthbound? Path of Radiance? (NSO being subscription only doesn't count.) These games should all be on a platform that doesn't have the "generations" problem that consoles have. You can still play Morrowind, FF7 1998, Daggerfall, Wizardry, Doom, Duke Nukem, etc. on PC right now.
First video I've seen of yours - subscribed immediately. Thank you for educating on this subject matter and helping to ensure people know about efforts to preserve unavailable or inaccessible media.
in the recent Capcom survey I brought up how awesome it would be if there was an official way to buy roms off of companies and if capcom were to listen to me and do it they would harbour so much good will and they'd be rolling in dough. But to be honest we need a company like GOG too be an abitrator and be the middle man for all of the companies cause noowhere near all of them would have the capacity to deal with it.
the problem with emulation, is that people assume that emulation means piracy, and that piracy means emulation. the two are not the same. you can emulate games you legally dumped. you can pirate games and play them on native hardware that you bought legally
Playing stolen games on native hardware is still illegal though. Like that new Switch emulator cartridge thing. Anything you put on that is illegal unless you previously bought the games and put their data on that thing.
The issue really is that nearly all emulation is making use of piracy. Realistically, how many people that emulate have bought and dumped their own game data for all the games they play through emulation? I suspect that's not much more than a double digit number of people that emulate game with some regularity. Most people don't even have the tools to dump their own games and modern games intentionally make it hard to do so. So in practical terms emulation DOES mean piracy.
We also have to remember that some users will always use emulation for piracy though. We can all say that we do emulation for preservation and that is true, but there will always be bad actors out there using emulation for piracy. Yes, emulation is not piracy, but emulation is and has always been one of the tools that pirates will use to pirate games. This is the tricky part here, supporting emulation while entirely disregarding its use for piracy is a naive take on the issue. We can’t acknowledge emulation without having to always mention how we are not using it for piracy.
I feel that a way to balance the Emulators are not against them it should be the piracy of the AVAILABLE GAMES. If a company fails to continue the service of a product you bought, you can back it up for your own digital play.
the major point they went after them for was the fact that they were providing tools to bypass encryption on the cartridge. IIRC they were actually linking people to places where they can get this stuff on their discord. The discord was the main reason they got nuked, because they admitted to doing so much stuff
Kid: Mr. Owl, how many blows does it take to get an NES cartridge to work? Mr. Owl: Let's find out. A-one, a-two-hoo, a-three... [Crunch] Mr. Owl: A-three.
Emulation isn’t piracy AND piracy isn’t theft. Based video for the most part but comparing downloading a game you already own to robbing a convenience store is pretty cringe ngl
I'm an aging gamer still buzzing from a fresh round of Hell Divers 2, but a memory does come to light of our beloved Valve Steam interface changing the terms and conditions many years back. The change stated that you now buy access to play the game on Steam but do not own the game. You are not allowed to sell your account as you do not own the games. They got sued in Germany but I think they got away with it. At least they don't charge a monthly rent fee.
I was able to grab all my old Gamecube saves with my wii i hacked years ago. How awesome. I actually should rip my saves again to keep the backup updated
The biggest problem with Nintendo's claim that they lost potentially millions of sales on Tears of the Kingdom, is that you literally cannot prove that the people who pirated it would have: A) bought the game if they didn't, and B) _already_ bought the game and just dumped it on an emulator because again, the switch is incredibly underpowered and people want to play their games on an actual good frame rate. Claiming emulation is crippling their business when they, along with every other game publisher and hardware developer is breaking profit after profit and announcing their most successful years in their entire company history is insane.
They are only getting sued because yuzu had a patreon pulling in 30k w month and showed people directly how to pirate the games including where to download them. I love pirating and emulation, but that's frankly stupid to think profiting off it would go unpunished
The 2nd point is (partially, people could have preordered) disclaimed by the fact the 1 million illegal download copies of Tears of The Kingdom that Nintendo alleged happened the month before the release of the game
@@tommyzazzaliAnd seriously, whose fault is it that the game was out there to be leaked, if we're 100% honest? The inane practice of placing release embargos, yet distributing copies to select individuals and organizations is ASKING for trouble, and always has been. The people who get the copies chafe at the idea of having to wait until Big Daddy says it's okay to actually talk about/play/do anything with what they have, and onto the Internet it goes. If Nintendo actually wanted that to stop, they'd either stop being so stupid about that process, they'd stop distributing copies early to the well-connected, or they'd stop being such psychotic control freaks about the release date embargo.
@@uzayonatfun fact: the bleem case was mainly about the ps1 bios being used on a pc and the fact that they used screenshots of ps1 games in their advertising. none of it was about "these people are profiting from an emulator that can be used to pirate games" hell, both bleem and cvgs (the other one sony went after) required legitimate ps1 games to be used and the emulators themselves had to be "chipped" to be able to play burned games
6:30 It's not the ONLY way to preserve a save file, it's just the easiest way. The other way to replace a save battery without losing the save file is to solder a new battery to the board in parallel with the old battery. Best to double check with a multimeter, but after that you can safely disconnect the old battery from the board.
"Nintendo only wants us to play games the way they want us to" so true as it applies to far more than just emulation, but also mario maker levels and challenge runs in games.
"Nintendo isn't obligated to provide the games you love. If you want to play the game, buy it." ~ Every armchair lawyer ever But here's the thing, I'm not paying ~$100 to play Pokémon SoulSilver. "But you're stealing." But is it stealing if they see 0% profit unless they make these games available. "Piracy is a service problem." ~Gabe Newell, Valve
@mechanicalmonk2020 stealing implies there was something for Nintendo to have lost to begin with. If I were to download from CoolRoms or buy from a used game store or Ebay, they would see 0% profit regardless of what I do. Why should I spend what is, in some cases, $100+, just to play a game, just because some collector saw that someone said this game was worth this much? Who is it stealing from? It's software.
Everyone should speak up on emulation and why it is necessary because these companies do not care about the people who purchase their digital products, they care about profits. If we lose access to our purchases, they will just resell it to us. Hope more people see this video and help create awareness of the need for more protections as we go further into an all-digital future.
Yuzu creators were idiots for monetizing their project. Its also insane seeing people being not just fine with Switch emulation taking a hit like this but outright CELEBRATING it because their precious Nintendo is totally their friend who cares about them and should be allowed to keep on being the anti consumer giant it is.
7:05 - 7:13 What? How is downloading a copy of software you own off the internet remotely the same as stealing a chocolate bar when you already own one? A chocolate bar is physical, perishable, and consumable, meaning that it is always necessarily limited in supply and cannot be enjoyed a second time once it is consumed, necessitating buying another one in the future. This means that stealing a chocolate bar is always theft from the company that constantly produces more chocolate bars to be bought. Software is digital (doesn't matter if it comes on a disc or cartridge), non-perishable (apart from the physical media it is stored on breaking), and copyable, meaning it is never limited in supply (except if a company arbitrarily decides to limit its distribution) and can be enjoyed as many times as the consumer wants. Regardless of whether you do the work to back up your own games, or you just download a copy of your game that someone else has already uploaded to the internet, you are having zero effect on a company's profit, since you have already bought the game and won't buy it again. This is especially true if the company no longer distributes that game on any platform.
Because for every copy they make physical or digital they can make money off of, so if they don't make money off of every copy of data they made originally, it's just theft now.
I imagine he's talking from the legal perspective because corporations and the law treat them both as the same even though they're fundamentally different.... but he really didn't make that distinction clear. Also all this finger-wagging about piracy isn't going to do anything, at best it'll just make people do it in the shadows like a digital prohibition...... but even then, there's probably gonna be at least a couple tools who brag about pirating very publicly.
I could talk about this subject and its nuances for hours, but this video is generally a good summation. I definitely think we should be able to use our games how we see fit. In regards to downloading ROMs, it doesn't really make sense that it's considered piracy if you already own the game, since the ROM is identical to the one on your cartridge - it's much quicker to download already-ripped ROMs, and there's no way to tell the difference between those and a ROM you've ripped yourself.
I don't see anything wrong with that. Wulff's Twix-theft analogy doesn't really fit the situation; a better comparison would be printing a photocopy of a picture you own for yourself versus accepting an identical photocopy of the picture that was printed by someone else. The difference is almost nonexistent.
Depends on the console. Wii and Gamecube games are super easy to make backups of nowadays, and most cartridge-based games have some form of backup tool available for fairly cheap. Any game on your PC can just be copy/pasted but may need to be cracked to work without DRM.
This is an important video! Game preservation is a fundamental issue which needs to be addressed as fast as possible but won't until there's a substantial movement behind it. We need to be loud about it, educate those who need to be educated and, hopefully, eventually, we'll be able to actually own the games we buy.
watching this while emulating a pokemon omega ruby rom i just ripped from the cartridge this afternoon because i didn't want to play on a tiny low res screen at my desk. there are plenty of reasons why people would want to emulate besides piracy and it's so sad seeing people use the two words interchangeably or assuming one indicates the other.
Citra straight up disappearing is terrifying. It didn’t even need to actually be involved in anything, they just found an issue they had with a different project that had the same people involved and had it shut down. Many people used Citra to play 3DS games they dumped from their consoles (that they own legally) in order to play them in a higher resolution with better textures, or even for accessibility reasons with different controllers / input devices. Even then, there are literally hundreds of 3DS games that would be lost media right now likely for eternity without piracy, after the eShop closed. Many of the other games are already pretty hard to find, and hardware is already getting expensive. Eventually, consoles will be harder and harder to find, and its unlikely Nintendo will ever create their own emulation service for the 3DS. Its scary to think that without piracy, a lot of my childhood favourite games would be impossible to play right now, as many of those games were never released on other consoles. By the way, the problem with Yuzu and Citra weren’t that there was a Patreon that allowed people to donate money to their development. It was the fact that the developers actively helped people pirate games and run them on Yuzu. Its not illegal to sell emulators for money, as there was a PS2 emulator sold for money made for the Macintosh that the court decided was legal - its not treated any different than a DVD player. It shouldn’t be illegal to sell a different product that a game can be run on (otherwise, the Analogue Pocket should be illegal).
They settled with the umbrella company that Citra and Yuzu sat under. Every single project by that umbrella company was gonna get shut down, because the terms of the settlement required them to. That's just how it works.
The reason anything happened is anyone's guess. We know the details of the suit, and whatever details were leaked from the settlement. Everything else (including why this suit on this group, exactly which of the cluster of things they did made them more liable, etc) is not in the list of facts we know. Because it's a settlement, no new legal precedent was set. So we don't know a judge's opinion on any of the things we're speculating on. It could be any one thing. It could be a combination of things. There's plenty to speculate about. But that's all it is.
Thank You so so much for voicing this. This needs to be stated! There are plenty of emulation projects we SHOULD be supporting. Like the Pocket Analouge, which has all the preservation benefits for keeping old games alive, but also supports the market in such a way companies can properly resell or even make entirely new games for older hardware. Gosh darn it I LOVE you for voicing this! Please please please KEEP voicing this!!!! Content Creators tend to understand this but fail MISERABLY communicating all these things to their audience. Just adds fuel to the fire and gives companies all the more reason to dislike content creators. Educating people on this, and calling people out is IMPORTANT for the future of emulation, and game preservation as a whole as we approach a digital future.
shitendo is the worst, most anti-consumer gaming company ever. like 95%+ of people would RATHER just pay them to have first party access to all of their old games on current gen consoles, but they refuse to provide it. gaben said it best, "piracy is a service problem".
This is a succinct, well put, and fantastically edited video. One benefit of this debacle is that many people are putting out videos on what is and isn't the case.
Thank you, Wulff Den, for clarifying the difference between emulation and piracy. So many people group them together and use it as a way to attack emulation as some morally wrong offense when in reality, It's literally the only way for us to preserve a bunch of the games we played when we were younger. The saddest part of the situation to me is that according to what products Nintendo released, it isn't accurate to say that they're actually against emulation, they're against 'illegal' ones where they can't make money off of it, because they're clearly using it to fund their own products from the Nintendo switch online service, to Super Mario 3D All-Stars. The problem is that Yuzu and all these other emulators are never proven to be privacy they're merely just a host for other ROMs and code to be entered in order to function. Suing them is like getting angry at a DVD Player for playing pirated discs, it's nonsensical and quite frankly, just a scapegoat Nintendo is going with in order to further push their agenda of forcing fans to go to their options for emulation. It just so happens that those set options at Nintendo's offering on the Switch are all shit, so fans go to other emulators to play those and older tiles that aren't on the newer system. It's so sad that the company will go this far to screw over their fans just want to play older games, especially when their own products either don't work or are incredibly lucky because of their 7 year old hardware that was already outdated the moment came out in 2017. Oh, and also because some developers simply just cannot optimize their game enough to modern day standards (cough cough GameFreak).
Yuzu devs were simply too far gone and made no efforts to hide distribution of ROMs prerelease on their discord. I don't even care about the Patreon, it's not the only emudev to have such a system in place but they really fucked themselves (or rather a few of its devs). Just made themselves a prime target.
you genuinely have to be such a loser to get mad on the behalf of a multi-billion dollar corporation at people playing 20-30 year old video games which arent even legally purchasable
As the video says ToTK got pirated and got millions of downloads before the game was even out, so most of the stuff you say doesn't hold any water. Added fact, Yuzu had patreon and the team gave up really easily against the allegations, meaning Nintendo had a stronger case than that's public knowledge. If we were talking about them taking down VBA, which is literally the most downloaded GBA emulator ever, that would be different, there is a site called Abandonia that stores lots of games you can't buy anymore and that site has been up for years, what Nintendo doesn't want is people making money out of properties they own and the Yuzu team was dumb enough to put their emulator behind a paywall.
Why did Minecraft become the most sold and most played game in video game history? Notch told us to pirate the game until we could afford to buy it. What does Nintendo have that genuinely competes with Minecraft? Nothing. Nintendo has nothing that competes with Minecraft. Point and case.
Your argument is a double edged sword, aren't pirates "greedy" by hording romsets? You don't need to have access to every game on the planet, you want access to it. Piracy sucks, back in the day us PC gamers had a perfectly good model called shareware, which allowed the player to play a game 1/3 of the way complete, no time limits and it still wasn't enough, people who pirate are always going to pirate. If it were up to me there would be code in my products that purposely damages unrecognized hardware.
@@daedalus547 Forget about that but however I sometimes would still be buying games only if they're cheap and on sale sometimes. Also I may understand your opinion and sometimes I barely knew there could be obvious overpriced games. And when AAA companies tend to refused their many mistakes when they don't polish their games, then what is literally the use when they got lazy employees to make unfinished games? Also with many controversies had happened over the years, it might won't make the gaming scene concluded with any cure or solution. And today was lot worse with lots and lots of live service games and MMOs, and definitely less paid games. And in addition, some shareware or demos can barely have significant differences between those and the final product and which means it results in changes. There might be features or content not pretty identical between each other. Unless devs retaining those features and content from the earlier build and carry over to the final game, none of this would've happened. Plus Google Play and Steam sometimes had half or much crappy single player games that even made free. That might suck a lot indeed and they're part of shovelware. And to be honest with anyone, the world will collide when even paid games can be useless sometimes. And in other words, having a paid game with live service features were more crap than ever. And at least there's Epic Games Store where they gave free games sometimes on a perpetual basis...
@@NaufalHS If you don't like their practices why play their games at all? You make piracy even worse. If x company doesn't do what I want, I'll still play their game but not buy it? Seriously are you really going with that? Now I really do hope some company does employ hardware destroying DRM, you deserve it!
@@daedalus547 But it's not meant that it'll make piracy even worse but it's just seemingly complicated to talk about. For me I really had no any single other choice and I really still willingly going to play their games when in difficult situations. Plus DRMs are really a huge nightmare, and especially with some mindless morons like Denuvo and the now dead Securom with countless other DRMs exists in the first place. And also always online requirement is lot more problematic.
@@NaufalHS What do you mean you don't have a choice? Did someone hold you at gun point when you pirated something and forced you to play it? You pirates are funny! I had no choice, the big bad person made me do it! Lololololololol You are in control of what you do, 'i didn't have a choice' is hilariously bad cop out.
So a company can take away something you fully purchased and tell you it's not yours anymore well give me my money back otherwise piracy threats us all better
Fr Microsoft straight up erased my account I had so many games in there spend over 300$ in game and everything is gone...thx to piracy I got em back not finna spend so much money just got get it taken away I'm broke
Well, watched your whole video now and what I think on the subject is, if I don't have any option to get the game I want to play officially, then it's abandonware and "I think" people shouldn't feel bad downloading them. Next, if I bought a game for a console and I want to emulate it on whatever I want, I should be able to get ripped version of it digitally and officially. If not, "I think" downloading them is OK. Uploading and hosting them? Not so much. But if not for these groups or people, you would have to pay $1.299,99 for a Super Mario 64. This is the first search result that popped up on ebay. Also, buying it second hand doesn't actually earn those companies anything but for these people. So, I'm ok with it. Also, we don't have official systems from providers and/or publishers to get access to digital versions of physically purchased games. They mostly require you to purchase them again through their stores and run those older games on the console using EMULATION(!?). Why would I pay again for a game I own already? Long story short, emulation is great, piracy not so much but it can be used wisely. People can turn any good thing into a bad thing with enough force and this is happening for emulation now.
the fact we are moving towards a live service trend is terrifying. and the other fact that more and more things break at a calculated rate is already bad enough as it is. which means that the idea "you will own nothing and be happy" needs to get dealt with as soon as possible. i do NOT want fridges, cars and pretty much anything else require constant internet access. games should also not have any online drm period. i payed for a license to play. if you shut down the drm servers thats not my problem since you violated my right to access the product i payed for, without explicitly stating that this is was just a time limited rent, which inherently means that you are basically committing fraud.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182Technically you own a license to the game not the actual game. It’s crap like this that consumer protection laws need to be strengthened
I have been watching Blissys videos about Pokemon RNG manipulation for a while and when he made custom events for Pokemon emerald I really wanted to put them on my cartridge to experience them on my GBA. One of the steps to that is to rip your save file and game from the emerald cartridge so you can emulate the E-reader in dolphin to get the event into the game. At first I thought "isn't that illegal" but then I remembered I bought Pokemon emerald and own it so it would be dumb if it was illegal. Copyright laws are so weird and I feel like it's hard to find general laws that can easily apply to every type of media or creation. I don't think they will ever not be complicated since depending on what you are talking about you could need a type of copyright law that is mutually exclusive for that kind of media that allows fair use and also protects the creators rights.
I feel like people forget that Nintendo started as a toy company and still operates like one. Toy companies are very possessive over their exclusives and they want you to buy every version of a toy that they put out (ex barbie). Nintendo still thinks that they are a toy company with the consoles being their “toys” and the games being the accessories. they only want you to use their latest toy and only use the accessories on that latest version
@Echoingsunflowers981 there's a retrospective on the company hisyory here on yt but ya they were cutthroat getting around gambling restrictions in Japan and semi legal stuff. Don't let the kid focused content distract you.
Something you got incorrect throughout this video is that just because you own the physical disc with a game on it, DOES NOT mean you own the game itself. You own the license to play that game. The license you own isn’t hardware, it is software, just like the game on the disc is software as well. It’s the same as buying a PC and saying you “own” the windows OS…
Buy a digital game from the official store and pay the full price. Then downloading the ROM for that same game and playing it in the emulator is not illegal. What is illegal is when that game company decides to pull the game off the store making it impossible to play it AND not giving you a full refund plus some extra money as compensation for taking something from you that you are enjoying. We need the government to be on our side not on the company side.
@@xkrylo8002 I recently discovered time-based events no longer work in my copy of Pokemon Sapphire because the internal cartridge battery has died. Emulation would solve that. I can still play the game without emulation, but it's no longer the complete experience. My original hardware is also starting to break and is in need of repairs. Emulation would be a cheaper and better solution to that problem. For now I'm living with just not being able to effectively play a bunch of older physical games I still own, because I've got a huge catelog of modern games to play, but for someone who wants to continue playing their older games, emulation can be a practical and good solution.
@@xkrylo8002Personally, well over a hundred, probably. I've owned a lot of micros and consoles over the years, most of the hardware has either died or was landfilled*/donated to others. *not my decision.
@@xkrylo8002So you're giving me your permission to use my software how you would like? How generous! Why though, would you have authority over me? Why would would a multi-national corporation? Even accepting the authority of the Nation State under which I live, I have certain rights which you can't legally take away.
Oh my gosh. I haven't watched the video yet,. but just seeing a big internet personality FINALLY stating that important distiction in a video title MAKES ME DARN HAPPY. I really shouldn't care, but all those uneducated comments that literally use Emulation and Piracy as synonyms make my vessels pop.
Switch Online has emulators and is never considered piracy, so I don’t know why your blood vessels explodes when someone made that claim. 3rd party emulators on the other hand are mainly driven by piracy, so it’s not weird people confiscating the two terms when there’s no attempt of circumventing piracy in 3rd party emus (for decades btw)
@@livesinalazywonderland4021 [Prelude: You asked, so don't judge me for writing a paragraph xD] Just because MANY PEOPLE use knives to commit murder, that doesn't make "cutting" and "murder" the same. And just like that, just because MANY PEOPLE use emulators with pirated games, it doesn't justify acting like "emulation" and "piracy" are the same. It's just wrong, simple as that. And why does that upset me so much? BECAUSE IT LEADS PEOPLE TO FIGHT THE WRONG F*CKING ENEMY. Which sounds overdramatic, but it's true and important! There IS a power in masses saying stuff. Right now we have a huge community of people spreading hate and judgement upon EMULATION, when many of them don't even know that they really want to go against PIRACY. And on the other hand, when the general mass doesn't get the difference, then they will never get why it's a very harmful hypocrit move of Nintendo to fight "emulation". As you said, they're doing emulation themselves. And while pirates do use emulators, fighting those emulators does nothing to stop the actual piracy. Piracy, especially on Switch, relies mostly on the ACTUAL Switch consoles. Shutting down Yuzu gave pirates one less way to play their pirated games and non-pirates one less way to enjoy their own, legally bought games. It did not stop pirating. They still have two (soon three) ways left to play their pirated games. With one of them not being an emulator but Nintendo's own damn hardware. If Nintendo made their Switch more secure, Switch piracy either wouldn't be a thing, or it would be so immensely more difficult that much less people would do it. But instead they go and shut down tools. Don't get me wrong, Yuzu Team did sh*t that makes THEM deserve what they got - and I myself modded my Switch to dump my own purchased games. But I think my points still stand.
I assume your feelings changed after you watch the video, a lot of odd misinformation throughout the video which makes me wonder how much he actually knows about the topic. Like Dreamcast has multi layer discs...what?
@@nate6862I mean, I have no clue about the dreamcast, but that's not really what the video was about, was it? What misinformation was there regarding the actual topic?
I’m extremely pissed at them because I recently got into emulation and was excited how there will possibly be a way to back up my digital copies on my switch when it inevitably gets no longer supported.
@@Echoingsunflowers981You can still get the emulator and still rip games from the switch. The only issue will be any future games may not be fully compatible with Yuzu.
7:03 This is a terrible comparison. Downloading a digital copy of a game you own physically produces a bit for bit identical copy. If you extract it yourself, you'd have the exact same thing. If you copied that, you'd have the exact same thing. You can't make a copy of a Twix bar even if you do have one at home. A Twix bar gives you a completely different bar of food. It's physically a new thing. Stealing it prevents someone else from buying it. It's not a good comparison. I'm not a lawyer either, but since you're blowing smoke on this point, I'll go ahead and do the same. Downloading a digital copy of a digital thing you already own isn't piracy. That's how so much software works. You download a full version of an operating system, and then you provide a key so it works. You can download many copies, but they're useless without the key. You do the same thing with productivity software. I don't know what you use to edit your videos, but you needed a key to use that. Modern console games also have keys, although that's usually handled behind the scenes. These days even physical games work the same way. Have you ever activated a game you owned physically on a digital store? You do so with a key, usually from an insert or a sticker. Console platforms even let you purchases digital keys from other storefronts, like Amazon. Yes, emulation bypasses the need for a key, but if you already legally own a key, it's not piracy to download another copy. If you don't own a key then it is illegal. But you specifically said that downloading a copy of something you already own is illegal. I disagree. Yup, I'm still not a lawyer, and I'm not recommending that people download things just because I don't think it's illegal. I'm just showing how far off that Twix comparison was by comparing game software to, you know, software. The rest of the video was great. But this was not.
“hacking a switch seems like a huge pain in the ass” It’s not. It’s incredibly easy with a launch model. I guarantee Bob has a launch model laying around in his apartment somewhere. All you need to do is get a jig or a goddamn paperclip.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 that’s exactly why I said “launch model” my friend. 2017-2018 switches can do this. It’s incredibly easy and cheap to find one and I’m positive that bob would have easy access to one. It’s so unbelievably simple to do.
First also it's weird that Nintendo is chasing down emulation but they actively use it. Even if it is just to remove competition within the sphere, it is pretty suspect.
Exactly, by their own standard of their products Nintendo shouldn't be considered against emulation, they're against 'illegal' ones where they can't make money off of it, because they're clearly using it to fund their own products from the Nintendo switch online service, to Super Mario 3D All-Stars. The problem is that Yuzu and all these other emulators are never proven to be privacy they're merely just a host for other ROMs and code to be entered in order to function. Suing them is like getting angry at a DVD Player for playing pirated discs, it's nonsensical and quite frankly, just a scapegoat Nintendo is going with in order to further push their agenda of forcing fans to go to their options for emulation. It just so happens that those set options at Nintendo's offering on the Switch are all shit, so fans go to other emulators to play those and older tiles that aren't on the newer system. It's so sad that the company will go this far to screw over their fans just want to play older games, especially when their own products either don't work or are incredibly lucky because of their 7 year old hardware that was already outdated the moment came out in 2017. Oh, and also because some developers simply just cannot optimize their game enough to modern day standards (cough cough GameFreak).
They wouldn't be going after yuzu if they weren't pulling in almost half a million a year on patreon. Open source emulators don't get sued like this, just the ones trying to make a fuckload of money from it.
@@SSJ_EWGF Again, they sued yuzu specifically because they were making hundreds of thousands a year on patreon. It's not that hard to realize why they went after yuzu. I love yuzu but trying to profit off it was a stupid move.
3:05 - One thing you notice about all this is that while we have court cases that say you can make archival copies, the DMCA made it illegal to remove copyright protection to accomplish this. IIRC that doesn't prevent you from copying the entire ROM wholesale, copy protection and all, and just using something read it with that protection there, just removing it. But it's fuzzy and they'll definitely abuse the courts and legal bodies to make it effectively illegal. Personally I just find the whole idea that a company can put a digital lock on something you own to prevent you from doing something legal with it when we would not tolerate a physical lock doing the same thing. The DMCA needs to die in a fire. It's caused so much harm and it is a chief tool in preventing users from repairing their own property and is being used to effectively eliminate property rights for the consumer and force them to rent everything from big conglomerates, often overseas. 9:10 - The DMCA bit about breaking copy protection / DRM is likely why this hasn't happened. Old cart based games really do not have DRM on them. The protection was usually physical. Some early items like Playstation had physical copy protection where there are bad areas on the disc which prevented commercial burners from reading them properly. Dreamcast didn't have any DRM. But later ones do start to include DRM code on the disk and that's the provision Nintendo used to go after Yuzu.
1:56 - It really sickens me how Nintendo has been lying about this my entire life. They seriously are going on the strategy of lie enough times and it'll become truth path. Or more specifically, sue enough people with meritless cases and eventually it'll become de facto law.
Exactly, you see the inconsistent values held by Nintendo at play here. If I paid for own something I should be able to do whatever I want with it as long as It dose not hurt anyone else.
Consoles should have disc burners or cart writers in them. Whenever you buy a game you should be able to make a backup copy. Maybe to prevent rampant copying, those backups should be keyed to your Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft account, so they'll only work on a console where you are signed in.
Except if you don't get explicit permission from the author it is??? You can't just print Stephen King's IT on your own press and claim your own edition of the novel that King has no right to
The vast majority of ROM users didn't dump/rip them because they don't own them, so downplaying it as being the same as "ripping a CD" doesn't make sense.
If the game is still being sold, I will buy it to support the developer. If the game is no longer being sold, it's abandonware and I will pirate it. Bonus: If your game has no demo, I will make my own demo. That is all.
I'd also add I'm under no obligation to repurchase a game just because a company implemented an arbitrary hardware lock. How many times could you theoretically buy Super Mario Bros?
@@affsteak3530 For sure. If you've bought a new copy of a game at full price at any point, you've done your part in supporting that game for the rest of your life imo.
I used to torrent games in the past before purchasing them. If it was good, I bought it. If it wasn't , I didn't. I have over 450 games today, so I speak with merit.
They could literally make 10 million GB, GBA, DS era Pokemon games including special consoles a year and would still sell out. Emulation is a key method to playing the game without getting ripped off. I can't even for sure buy a LEGITIMATE Pokemon Emerald copy online without wondering if it's just a fake anyways.
This is just sad, Nintendo would rather that the future generation miss out on stuff we got to play as kids and never be able to play those beloved titles for the first time and experience what we experienced. The 3D All Stars event hurt my soul, yeah some people got to try out Mario's first 3D titles great! only if they bought it before March.. (they also didn't get to play Galaxy 2..) The way Nintendo is going is that they want shut the past instead of embracing it and even if they do it'll just be a full priced remaster of maybe one or two games and that's it..
To all the people saying it’s bad to emulate current gen consoles… why is that? Emulators are completely reverse engineered, there is no stealing involved there. The fact of the matter is Nintendo current consoles are technically behind the times and therefore it is possible to brute force and reverse engineer a switch within its life span. We are probably a decade away from a working ps5 emulator but then why does Nintendo get to be special and sue people for figuring out how to replicate their console because it’s simpler? And before you come at me with the obvious, I have 3 switch’s, I’ve owned every Nintendo console except WiiU and my library is huge, all paid for.
The only way that emulating current gen consoles is bad is that people will use emulation as an excuse to pirate games An individual would go “why spend money on games that support the company that makes the games when I can just download and emulate the games for free” The mindset that should be approached to emulation should be “if I can buy it brand new then buy it before emulating it, if it can’t be bought brand new then emulate it”, of course there are exceptions such as “if you can buy it brand new but don’t want to support the company that made the game, then buy used because buying used versions of games you can buy brand new is easier than buying used versions of games you can’t buy new”
HP has a printer Subscription service. It starts at $7 a month for 20 text only prints. And you don't own the printer either. This is what every company wants. Because "owning" is a one time purchase. Why sell you a fridge when they can charge a monthly fee for it.
We're living in a dystopia but without the cool sci-fi stuff.
They are doing that with housing right now in the US. Huge companies buying all the homes so you never can own one. You'll always have to pay them for shelter. Disgusting
Who cares if we can't use or play garbage stuff anymore? We have more awesome stuff than you can imagine and emulation isn't going anywhere, most emulators circumvent most legal laws and downloading ROMs cannot cause legal action since it can't be enforced to not do so. Still wish employment and work ethic was better tho 😔
@@IfritBoi My point is that eventuality, you won't own anything, enen the necessities.
@@TurboSax My point is that eventuality is never going to happen unless virtually everyone stopped fighting for ownership which means it's not gonna happen anytime soon. By the time this eventuality even comes, the world probably ended already
@@IfritBoiAnd thinking like this lets these things happen sooner and it all happens before the world has ended…
No one is saying ‘no’ to advancing technology. We’re just saying ‘no’ to “rent (subscription) to never own”.
The fact that Citra got hit in the splash from this is the worst part.
I aggre the lost of Citra was a tragedy.
Give it a year, maybe 2, we'll see a new, better 3DS emulator replace it. Look how many GBA and GBC emulators are out there, and new ones are still being made, give it time, 3DS emulation will come back stronger than ever.
@@megaman37456 I hope we see a new one sooner.
@@emperorfaiz Like I said, be patient, Nintendo's hurt emulation less than they think.
Yup, don't give a fuck about Yuzu but I'm pissed about Citra.
Gabe Newell famously said "Piracy is a service problem". The succes of Steam proves his point. Nintendo should look into that.
Their games also suffer from a piracy problem, though. Doesn't matter how good the service is, there are people that just don't want to pay for anything. That's always what piracy has been.
@@ColorblindMonk You will always have some piracy, but it's a lot less than before Steam. Also PC gaming has never been as popular as it is now. Over 400 million steam users with over 120 million monthly active. PC gamers are a bit older than console gamers, many of them grew up with Nintendo consoles but are not willing to buy a console for a few exclusives. Nintendo will benefit greatly from releasing on Steam. Maybe even more than Sony and Microsoft since there is even less overlap.
@@NucleosyntheseNintendo would destroy their entire ecosystem if they released games on PC, such a moronic suggestion.
@@SolidPython2099 No. The point is the quality of the service, and steam has proved it. Nintendo has done a terrible job on supporting old platforms and games.
@@SlyRyFryyou aren't the arbiter of what Nintendo should value their own games at and just because that makes you a pissy baby doesn't mean they're "one of the best examples of a bad company".
They value their games, that's why they almost never go on sale and people buy them without waiting, its why they have a healthy and prospering gaming business with a huge variety of software available, while every other gaming company is suffering from layoffs, unsustainable ballooning budgets and free2play slop being shoved into your throat left and right.
Not a single one of these corporations deserves your loyalty enough to give them profits on what their predecessors created and they destroyed.
My rule when it comes to emulation and downloading ROMS is if the game is actively sold for a current platform, I buy it and play it there. As soon as it has stopped being sold at first-party sellers, its fair game. Trying to get games secondhand after they are no longer in production can get really difficult and expensive. I am a big fan of the GBA and I like to get my own copies of games and squirrel away their ROMS for safe-keeping. But sometimes their are games that are either so coveted or so niche that you cannot find it anywhere, or if you do you must pay a warchest of money for it. I warchest of money, that Nintendo does not see a penny of mind you In that case, I think that a little adventure to the open seas is more than fair.
For GBA releases I use my phone for emulation in spirit of how Nintendo meant if we had a mobile switch emu that'd be great (iirc yuzu was right?)
That’s the exact same reasoning I go by, which is why I believe the take down of yuzu was completely justified by Nintendo considering they are still actively selling switches, and games for it. But for the Wii? Dolphin all the way babyyyy
@@Schloopytoober ehhh once it's out it should be available for emu, id rather see Nintendo monetize emulation in house and have some rules with it for it to be an okay thing over the current system which is technically fully legal but everyone treats it the same as piracy full send always
@@TheEldritchVoid I mean yea that is fair but considering how hard it is to get games for your emulator legally then it is to just search up “(game name) rom (console)” online I don’t think we’ll get there any time soon
I have no rules I do what ever I want, screw the corporations!
If buying a game means I don't own it, then pirating isn't stealing
this is gonna get 1000 likes, you're not original, I don't disagree
Unfortunately the real world doesn't work like that little bro.
@@KangKoopait won't if we let it
@@plague4661wow, thanks for your whole analysis and opinion on the comment. We all know it's not original. It should still be repeated so other people become aware. If it was said once, by the original guy, do you think you'd know about this? Do you even know who actually said this. It's the internet, 99% of stuff is unoriginal. Move on.
@@KangKoopa yeah, almost like the 'real' world fucks us and consumers over time and time again.
Saying 'that sucks man, get over it' to what is essentially a person downloading files to their computer to play software that isn't even being sold anymore hurts no one
Many years ago, my uncle bought a PC just to use it for music. It was basically a dream come true for him, because he was really into music, and he now had a 'magic jukebox' thay could play any song he wanted.
He spent a small fortune downloading music, and then one day, the company he bought it from went out of business and he lost it all.
The music was still there on his machine, but he couldn't play it, because it couldn't connect to the server.
I printed off a list of all the music that was on there, and spent the next few weeks pirating it all, probably from Napster or Limewire or something (edit: it was eMule!).
I burned it all onto MP3 CDs and transferred it onto my uncle's machine, giving him the CDs as backup.
Ever since then, I have made sure I have my own copy of media, so I'm not subject to the whims of the company I bought it from.
If they don't make it available in a format I can keep, such as physical media or a DRM-free download, then I have no qualms about pirating it.
Yea. If I paid for it, I'll have it, one way or the other
Agreed 100%. The only time I pirate games if they are games that you cannot get anymore or they are too expensive to purchase off of ebay.
@@Fender178 Buying them off ebay doesn't help support the original developers anyway, it just supports the individual who is selling it on ebay.
@@thepenultimateninja5797 True.
@@Fender178 even if you will buy a game from ebay for a million bucks publisher or developer will still not get a single cent from that purchise.
With older games those publishers or devs might not exist anymore.
I can't see the point of buying a game off of ebay unless you collect them physically.
If you want somehow pay to devs or publishers the only way is from digital stores.
It's very simple to me. If I can go to the local store and buy the console I want to emulate, I'll go buy the thing. If it's not made anymore, I'll emulate it.
Exactly. Once it’s not manufactured anymore and the only option is second hand scalpers. That or I own the game already I’ll emulate the version I legally bought.
Bad take IMO. Emulation should be kosher always and legal so long as you own the game.
Yup. I feel iffy about making rips of my switch games and playing them on my PC, but I have nowhere near the same feelings about Wii or Wii U
@@sporadiceel6246why. You're doing literally nothing wrong. Nintendo is warping people's minds
I'll buy the game second hand, rip it and play it on emulator at 60 fps+, and 4K, so Nintendo never gets my money. Nothing illegal about that and then I don't need to support their crap.
Yuzu isn't dead. It is open source. People will just re-release it but under a different name. Popular open source projects never die.
For every one company who wants to slap the emulation community with their giant rubber legal-dong, there's a hundred hackers foaming at the mouth to spite them.
Yes. This is so true.
It was recently revived as Suyu
just having a emulator functional on your harddrive/usb/ssd means you are contributing towards the preservation of videogames and imo makes you a better person for it@@DaWrecka
Don't forget archives have apks too
- Get an emulator for N64 games
- Buy a 2nd hand copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day for $600
- Backup your copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day
- Sell your physical copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day for $600
- Keep & continue to play your digital copy of Conkers Bad Fur Day
Would this be ok?
What's the difference between this & downloading a copy of a game off the internet?
I mean it would legally be fine but why tf would you sell your physical copy of Conkers lol
Bruh you shouldn't be spending that much money on 1 game just download the ROM nothing bad will happen I don't understand going to these lengths just to play an old game that isn't even sold anymore just download the ROM dude
The difference is that you get to brag online about how moral your actions were even though the devs won't see any money from your second hand purchase of what is essentially abandonware.
Fuck that get emulator download game play game happy feels i am not spending more money on a game then a ps5 the math is not mathing
not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure you'd cease legally having a right to that backup the second you sell it again at least in the states. However, you'd likely not get in trouble for it as long as you didn't self-snitch about it...... like you're potentially doing right now. lol
Oh snap, great video Bob.
Hi
Oh shit its the guy from the video
The Bob and Russ crossover; something I did not expect 😎
aw shit it’s wayne brady son
Why are there 212 likes but 4 replies?
Something I noticed, the Drastic DS emulator for Android used to cost money (I think around $5), but after the whole situation that happened with Yuzu and Citra being shut down, Drastic is now completely free to download. I guess the developers of said emulator don't want to take any further risks with it costing money.
Sounds like the author wanted to distance himself from profiting from the product, also it will soon be delisted, but he promised the source would be released.
eh, it is already free last year
The author has been talking about doing this for the better part of a decade, but I guess these past few weeks lit a candle under him.
bleem wasn't free and they still won in court
@@AltPlus30bleem happened during a time when corpopigs didn't own the courts. stop with the copium. Nintendo won, you lost.
4:20 Wolfman Bob's genius marketing has made it impossible to skip his factor ads because I need the dopamine shot I get from him shouting "YAHUNGRY" at me. It always improves my day. Thank you, Wolfman.
They’re done in such a creative way that I don’t skip them. It’s not jaring and fits in the video. It’s wild I’ve not see this tecnique elsewhere.
YAHUNGRY?!?!?
@@AeyGeeFifty.
I say it every time I feed my cats 😂😂
I read Nintendo's court filing, and wow. It's absolutely filled with assertions Nintendo knows damn well aren't true. Instead, it's basically what Nintendo _wants_ to be true.
Yeah, Wasted minutes I'm never getting back
such a dirty company
I'll never understand why the Yuzu team didn't try to find a pro-bono lawyer. One couldn't be hard to find considering the almost guaranteed millions they could make.
@@clanpsiTwo reasons: Because some of what they did might have been a little too deep in grey areas... and also because if they messed it up at all, it could set a very damaging precedent. It's probably better to wait until the courts are more progressive before fighting this fight.
@@ToyKeeper they need to fight it not in the US
7:55 - We're actually getting into the territory where you can't buy an old car and work on it. I'm sure you've heard about all the issues farmers have had with John Deer tractors.
He mentions John Deer in the beginning of the video. The combination of planned obsolescence and the denial of right to repair is so disgusting.
You can do whatever you want. They just try to control ppl but real mfs have always just done whatever they wanted.
You mean a new old car? I maintain my own '08 Corolla and '84 F-150. Yes you can maintain old cars. Just not new old cars.
At 6:30 it’s important to note that you can keep you save without backing it up. This requires you to insert the game without the front half on in the console, turn it on and then change the battery from there. It’s not recommended that you do that, but it is possible to do
"not recommended" = scary and far more exciting way to do it.
In my opinion Emulation and Roms are perfectly fine as long as you can support any official release of that title.
There are countless games that people can't play or purchase on PC or the new systems, either through not being ported, IP is lost or the original data is gone. Plus having the roms is the perfect way to preserve these titles.
I couldn't agree more
it should be fine either way
Emulation also lets people play games that were not and will never get released in other regions that have gotten fan translations.
That's part of the reason I avoid abandonware. I don't want to be morally obligated to pay for a DRM-infested re-release if one materializes later on.
I feel the same way but also it’s better (imo) to emulate and use Roms of games and consoles that are no longer officially supported as then the people who worked hard to make those games (such as small studios and indie devs and yes even the AAA studios) will have already made all the money they could’ve made by then.
Also make sure to check out the home brew game scene and if you want to play modern games but can’t afford it, see if your local library lets you check out games (if possible, my library does)
The reason no one has released a drive designed specifically for ripping games is probably because they don't want to be sued... lol
Yep. Or threatened to be sued. Imagine how quickly that would happen and you’d be instantly bankrupted.
@@og87 LLC, baby!
But there are several cardridge dumbtools from GBA to Switch
@@KowzorzNo one wants to be the next Bleem.
if you are ripping for other people you are going in to legal issues when you are ripping for yourself its legal
you know what i been doing lately, ripping my music cds and my blu rays and just watching/listening to em like that. gotta keep em alive.
When I was in university living in a small ass department someone broke in and basically stole all my retro consoles of which I was the only owner.
I've been trying to rebuild my collection now buying old consoles from flea markets and online stores, but emulation has allowed me to replay all my childhood games while im still missing some consoles or game cartriges/discs, considering how hard it is to find some in good condition.
P.D. I must know the model of the sony mini tv at 10:00 rrrrrrrrrr
Nintendo has heard you and will add 2 more GBC games next year
And they're gonna be everybody's favorites, Car Battler Joe and Elmo's Adventures in Grouchland. These are real games.
Thanks for the laugh. That really gave me a good chuckle.
LOL
Ah forget about it
Or maybe next century? 😂
This needs to be seen by everyone. Archival is so important and with nintendo pulling stunts like this we absolutely need more protections for property we own.
The cut into the ad read was so clean I sat through the whole thing. Also I agree with everything you said. 11/10 content as always.
_"Video games are not software"_
I had to replay that part literally a dozen times to believe my ears in what I've just heard! What an insane statement! 🤦
But hey, that means that the paragraph about not copying their software has no bearing on us backing up our games, since "video games are not software", right? 😜
(Also, terms and conditions in an EULA that contradict actual law should not be enforceable and backing up software/copying it for private use is a consumer right granted by law.)
What about used games? While I agree with you that emulation is not piracy, the logic of "never download a game" doesn't hold water when you factor in used games. 90% of retro games have no modern digital equivalent, therefore the only way to acquire them and rip them is to buy them used. The original company isn't making a dime off that.
In order to "not be a pirate" you would have to rip your own games AND have bought them when they were new. That's just not possible for a huge majority of gamers.
They expect people to buy every console in existence, you can't realisticaly buy everything as an average earning guy, you lose no matter what you chose and they expect piracy to not exist, same thing happens with streaming sites.
if you can't afford it then you don't deserve to play them
- nintendo probably
@@luimu uh, yes? Gaming is a luxury, not your god given right or some kind of necessity for living. You aren't owed to everything to be available on your 1 preferred device.
@@SolidPython2099then why does Nintendo care?
They dont expect people to buy every console in existence, they just like knowing that they can resell lazy ports of their games in the future without competition.
@@SolidPython2099 people shouldn't need to own every console to play everything because there's a practice called "exclusive games" and hopefully it is a dying practice. maybe only nintendo will keep doing it because it wants to sell consoles, and that one deserves to be pirated
7:10 when you steal a twix someone loses that bar, if you download a copy of a game you own on the internet, not a single person in the planet is gonna lose their copy because you downloaded it
Well, except the massive billion dollar a year corporation loses a _theoretical_ sale... oh no wait, you probably wouldn't have purchased it in the first place. But of course they don't care, if you got too play it at all, you owe them.
It's even better. Not only does downloading a copy not deprive anyone of their copy... it actually tends to increase profits for the company who made it. It's basically free advertising and increased sales. This is widely known in the software world, and it's why barely anyone ever enforces anti-piracy laws. Because they know most "piracy" actually benefits them.
I generally love Bob's takes, and I get his frustrations with companies being selective with their legacies.. But yeah, he lost me on that one. Plus it's not like if everyone bought the games at a secondhand store, that the major companies would get a dime anyways.
The way I see it, if the company isn't supporting that media anymore, then it's free reign since they're not going to see a dime anyways if you try to go legit.
If I steal a friend's copy of Sonic Blast Man II for SNES they no longer have it, but if I download a copy of it from the internet after it is no longer being sold officially, the only people I'm "stealing" from are the scalpers expecting me to pay $800 for it.
@@TheRealAlpha2Maybe people _would_ purchase it if it were at all reasonable to obtain. Panzer Dragoon Saga? Pokémon Emerald? Solatorobo? Earthbound? Path of Radiance? (NSO being subscription only doesn't count.) These games should all be on a platform that doesn't have the "generations" problem that consoles have. You can still play Morrowind, FF7 1998, Daggerfall, Wizardry, Doom, Duke Nukem, etc. on PC right now.
A big YT personality makes an actually educated video on this touchy subject. Love it
First video I've seen of yours - subscribed immediately. Thank you for educating on this subject matter and helping to ensure people know about efforts to preserve unavailable or inaccessible media.
in the recent Capcom survey I brought up how awesome it would be if there was an official way to buy roms off of companies and if capcom were to listen to me and do it they would harbour so much good will and they'd be rolling in dough.
But to be honest we need a company like GOG too be an abitrator and be the middle man for all of the companies cause noowhere near all of them would have the capacity to deal with it.
the problem with emulation, is that people assume that emulation means piracy, and that piracy means emulation. the two are not the same. you can emulate games you legally dumped. you can pirate games and play them on native hardware that you bought legally
Playing stolen games on native hardware is still illegal though. Like that new Switch emulator cartridge thing. Anything you put on that is illegal unless you previously bought the games and put their data on that thing.
@@shindoushuichi0287did I ever say that it wasnt? I said it was piracy... piracy is illegal
@@shindoushuichi0287 they were making a comparison
The issue really is that nearly all emulation is making use of piracy. Realistically, how many people that emulate have bought and dumped their own game data for all the games they play through emulation? I suspect that's not much more than a double digit number of people that emulate game with some regularity. Most people don't even have the tools to dump their own games and modern games intentionally make it hard to do so.
So in practical terms emulation DOES mean piracy.
We also have to remember that some users will always use emulation for piracy though. We can all say that we do emulation for preservation and that is true, but there will always be bad actors out there using emulation for piracy. Yes, emulation is not piracy, but emulation is and has always been one of the tools that pirates will use to pirate games.
This is the tricky part here, supporting emulation while entirely disregarding its use for piracy is a naive take on the issue. We can’t acknowledge emulation without having to always mention how we are not using it for piracy.
I feel that a way to balance the Emulators are not against them it should be the piracy of the AVAILABLE GAMES. If a company fails to continue the service of a product you bought, you can back it up for your own digital play.
Great video, Bob. People need to understand that emulation is necessary and not just theft, I'm glad you talked about this
Side note: I always enjoy your ad bits. Really well made and entertaining while not being too commercially :)
the major point they went after them for was the fact that they were providing tools to bypass encryption on the cartridge.
IIRC they were actually linking people to places where they can get this stuff on their discord.
The discord was the main reason they got nuked, because they admitted to doing so much stuff
Considering they also went about Ryuzinx, nintendo was really just sperging out and knows no sane person who isn't rich is going to fight them.
Kid: Mr. Owl, how many blows does it take to get an NES cartridge to work?
Mr. Owl: Let's find out. A-one, a-two-hoo, a-three... [Crunch]
Mr. Owl: A-three.
Don't forget the *crunch*
@@KswiftRob fixed
🏴☠️ A pirates life for me 🏴☠️
They say all the best things in life are free so give all your beer and your ROMs to me!
Ong, just put like 300 games on my r4 card. Shit I wish I knew how to do this as a kid I’m having so much fun gang.
Nah dogo.
That ship is full of (c);
- not DMCA As *(you)* suggests.
Yargggggh
@@vinnyandlin8510 You can have the roms but you will never have my BEER!
Bob yelling at his "employees" in the ad read, yet the employee is himself. Loving the self loathing
Emulation isn’t piracy AND piracy isn’t theft. Based video for the most part but comparing downloading a game you already own to robbing a convenience store is pretty cringe ngl
Thank you for great video Bob san!
I'm an aging gamer still buzzing from a fresh round of Hell Divers 2, but a memory does come to light of our beloved Valve Steam interface changing the terms and conditions many years back. The change stated that you now buy access to play the game on Steam but do not own the game. You are not allowed to sell your account as you do not own the games. They got sued in Germany but I think they got away with it. At least they don't charge a monthly rent fee.
I was able to grab all my old Gamecube saves with my wii i hacked years ago. How awesome. I actually should rip my saves again to keep the backup updated
The biggest problem with Nintendo's claim that they lost potentially millions of sales on Tears of the Kingdom, is that you literally cannot prove that the people who pirated it would have:
A) bought the game if they didn't, and
B) _already_ bought the game and just dumped it on an emulator because again, the switch is incredibly underpowered and people want to play their games on an actual good frame rate.
Claiming emulation is crippling their business when they, along with every other game publisher and hardware developer is breaking profit after profit and announcing their most successful years in their entire company history is insane.
They are only getting sued because yuzu had a patreon pulling in 30k w month and showed people directly how to pirate the games including where to download them.
I love pirating and emulation, but that's frankly stupid to think profiting off it would go unpunished
@@leftovernoise Selling emulators and putting early release builds behind a paywall is not illegal, Sony vs. Bleem established this years ago.
The 2nd point is (partially, people could have preordered) disclaimed by the fact the 1 million illegal download copies of Tears of The Kingdom that Nintendo alleged happened the month before the release of the game
@@tommyzazzaliAnd seriously, whose fault is it that the game was out there to be leaked, if we're 100% honest? The inane practice of placing release embargos, yet distributing copies to select individuals and organizations is ASKING for trouble, and always has been. The people who get the copies chafe at the idea of having to wait until Big Daddy says it's okay to actually talk about/play/do anything with what they have, and onto the Internet it goes. If Nintendo actually wanted that to stop, they'd either stop being so stupid about that process, they'd stop distributing copies early to the well-connected, or they'd stop being such psychotic control freaks about the release date embargo.
@@uzayonatfun fact: the bleem case was mainly about the ps1 bios being used on a pc and the fact that they used screenshots of ps1 games in their advertising. none of it was about "these people are profiting from an emulator that can be used to pirate games" hell, both bleem and cvgs (the other one sony went after) required legitimate ps1 games to be used and the emulators themselves had to be "chipped" to be able to play burned games
6:30 It's not the ONLY way to preserve a save file, it's just the easiest way. The other way to replace a save battery without losing the save file is to solder a new battery to the board in parallel with the old battery. Best to double check with a multimeter, but after that you can safely disconnect the old battery from the board.
"Nintendo only wants us to play games the way they want us to" so true as it applies to far more than just emulation, but also mario maker levels and challenge runs in games.
"Nintendo isn't obligated to provide the games you love. If you want to play the game, buy it."
~ Every armchair lawyer ever
But here's the thing, I'm not paying ~$100 to play Pokémon SoulSilver.
"But you're stealing."
But is it stealing if they see 0% profit unless they make these games available.
"Piracy is a service problem."
~Gabe Newell, Valve
Yes it's stealing. If it's available then buy it, and emulate it.
Yes its still stealing.
@mechanicalmonk2020 stealing implies there was something for Nintendo to have lost to begin with. If I were to download from CoolRoms or buy from a used game store or Ebay, they would see 0% profit regardless of what I do. Why should I spend what is, in some cases, $100+, just to play a game, just because some collector saw that someone said this game was worth this much? Who is it stealing from? It's software.
@@BKDDY who is it stealing from? It certainly isn't Nintendo or Gamefreak
@@mechanicalmonk2020 but it is not available.
Emulation isn't piracy
Everyone should speak up on emulation and why it is necessary because these companies do not care about the people who purchase their digital products, they care about profits. If we lose access to our purchases, they will just resell it to us. Hope more people see this video and help create awareness of the need for more protections as we go further into an all-digital future.
Yuzu creators were idiots for monetizing their project. Its also insane seeing people being not just fine with Switch emulation taking a hit like this but outright CELEBRATING it because their precious Nintendo is totally their friend who cares about them and should be allowed to keep on being the anti consumer giant it is.
Yes docile sheep 🐑 who open up their wallets to Nintendo's shameful online rom services, smh
It really is a shame that these companies hate their customers.
7:05 - 7:13 What? How is downloading a copy of software you own off the internet remotely the same as stealing a chocolate bar when you already own one?
A chocolate bar is physical, perishable, and consumable, meaning that it is always necessarily limited in supply and cannot be enjoyed a second time once it is consumed, necessitating buying another one in the future. This means that stealing a chocolate bar is always theft from the company that constantly produces more chocolate bars to be bought.
Software is digital (doesn't matter if it comes on a disc or cartridge), non-perishable (apart from the physical media it is stored on breaking), and copyable, meaning it is never limited in supply (except if a company arbitrarily decides to limit its distribution) and can be enjoyed as many times as the consumer wants. Regardless of whether you do the work to back up your own games, or you just download a copy of your game that someone else has already uploaded to the internet, you are having zero effect on a company's profit, since you have already bought the game and won't buy it again. This is especially true if the company no longer distributes that game on any platform.
Jokes on you I continuously vomit and re eat my chocolate bars
@@Bruh_Moment.. Nice, lol
Because for every copy they make physical or digital they can make money off of, so if they don't make money off of every copy of data they made originally, it's just theft now.
I imagine he's talking from the legal perspective because corporations and the law treat them both as the same even though they're fundamentally different.... but he really didn't make that distinction clear.
Also all this finger-wagging about piracy isn't going to do anything, at best it'll just make people do it in the shadows like a digital prohibition...... but even then, there's probably gonna be at least a couple tools who brag about pirating very publicly.
I could talk about this subject and its nuances for hours, but this video is generally a good summation. I definitely think we should be able to use our games how we see fit.
In regards to downloading ROMs, it doesn't really make sense that it's considered piracy if you already own the game, since the ROM is identical to the one on your cartridge - it's much quicker to download already-ripped ROMs, and there's no way to tell the difference between those and a ROM you've ripped yourself.
we need a Louis Rossmann for media preservation
Ross on Accursed Farms channel is championing the cause for Video Game preservation. Give him some love.
Ross over Accursed Farms channel is championing the cause of Video game preservation. Give him some love.
Nintendo ninjas will arrest you for saying emulating is not piracy. Emulation = piracy.
And ppl still think *Emulation* are Thugs??
This needs More Views.
Piracy is a service problem
And Nintendo service is a problem
Penguinz0???
Poopenfarten piracy situation is crazy
Backing up games it's not easy, I'd prefer download them
I don't see anything wrong with that. Wulff's Twix-theft analogy doesn't really fit the situation; a better comparison would be printing a photocopy of a picture you own for yourself versus accepting an identical photocopy of the picture that was printed by someone else. The difference is almost nonexistent.
Depends on the console. Wii and Gamecube games are super easy to make backups of nowadays, and most cartridge-based games have some form of backup tool available for fairly cheap. Any game on your PC can just be copy/pasted but may need to be cracked to work without DRM.
One thing I've learned from the internet, is that a lot of people are bad with analogies. @@army103
This is an important video! Game preservation is a fundamental issue which needs to be addressed as fast as possible but won't until there's a substantial movement behind it. We need to be loud about it, educate those who need to be educated and, hopefully, eventually, we'll be able to actually own the games we buy.
CALL TO ARMS! MARRY-O! MARRY-O! *checks earpiece* EMULATION! EMULATION!
watching this while emulating a pokemon omega ruby rom i just ripped from the cartridge this afternoon because i didn't want to play on a tiny low res screen at my desk. there are plenty of reasons why people would want to emulate besides piracy and it's so sad seeing people use the two words interchangeably or assuming one indicates the other.
Citra straight up disappearing is terrifying. It didn’t even need to actually be involved in anything, they just found an issue they had with a different project that had the same people involved and had it shut down. Many people used Citra to play 3DS games they dumped from their consoles (that they own legally) in order to play them in a higher resolution with better textures, or even for accessibility reasons with different controllers / input devices.
Even then, there are literally hundreds of 3DS games that would be lost media right now likely for eternity without piracy, after the eShop closed. Many of the other games are already pretty hard to find, and hardware is already getting expensive. Eventually, consoles will be harder and harder to find, and its unlikely Nintendo will ever create their own emulation service for the 3DS.
Its scary to think that without piracy, a lot of my childhood favourite games would be impossible to play right now, as many of those games were never released on other consoles.
By the way, the problem with Yuzu and Citra weren’t that there was a Patreon that allowed people to donate money to their development. It was the fact that the developers actively helped people pirate games and run them on Yuzu. Its not illegal to sell emulators for money, as there was a PS2 emulator sold for money made for the Macintosh that the court decided was legal - its not treated any different than a DVD player. It shouldn’t be illegal to sell a different product that a game can be run on (otherwise, the Analogue Pocket should be illegal).
They settled with the umbrella company that Citra and Yuzu sat under. Every single project by that umbrella company was gonna get shut down, because the terms of the settlement required them to. That's just how it works.
The reason anything happened is anyone's guess. We know the details of the suit, and whatever details were leaked from the settlement. Everything else (including why this suit on this group, exactly which of the cluster of things they did made them more liable, etc) is not in the list of facts we know. Because it's a settlement, no new legal precedent was set. So we don't know a judge's opinion on any of the things we're speculating on. It could be any one thing. It could be a combination of things. There's plenty to speculate about. But that's all it is.
@@blarghblarghthe judge did have comments somewhere in there
Its not completely gone you can find it still, reddit were the ones that helped me
Welcome to the Internet Archives. Search anything you want on there, and chances are you'll find the files for it.
Thank You so so much for voicing this. This needs to be stated! There are plenty of emulation projects we SHOULD be supporting. Like the Pocket Analouge, which has all the preservation benefits for keeping old games alive, but also supports the market in such a way companies can properly resell or even make entirely new games for older hardware.
Gosh darn it I LOVE you for voicing this! Please please please KEEP voicing this!!!! Content Creators tend to understand this but fail MISERABLY communicating all these things to their audience. Just adds fuel to the fire and gives companies all the more reason to dislike content creators. Educating people on this, and calling people out is IMPORTANT for the future of emulation, and game preservation as a whole as we approach a digital future.
shitendo is the worst, most anti-consumer gaming company ever.
like 95%+ of people would RATHER just pay them to have first party access to all of their old games on current gen consoles, but they refuse to provide it.
gaben said it best, "piracy is a service problem".
This is a succinct, well put, and fantastically edited video. One benefit of this debacle is that many people are putting out videos on what is and isn't the case.
Thank you, Wulff Den, for clarifying the difference between emulation and piracy. So many people group them together and use it as a way to attack emulation as some morally wrong offense when in reality, It's literally the only way for us to preserve a bunch of the games we played when we were younger.
The saddest part of the situation to me is that according to what products Nintendo released, it isn't accurate to say that they're actually against emulation, they're against 'illegal' ones where they can't make money off of it, because they're clearly using it to fund their own products from the Nintendo switch online service, to Super Mario 3D All-Stars. The problem is that Yuzu and all these other emulators are never proven to be privacy they're merely just a host for other ROMs and code to be entered in order to function.
Suing them is like getting angry at a DVD Player for playing pirated discs, it's nonsensical and quite frankly, just a scapegoat Nintendo is going with in order to further push their agenda of forcing fans to go to their options for emulation.
It just so happens that those set options at Nintendo's offering on the Switch are all shit, so fans go to other emulators to play those and older tiles that aren't on the newer system.
It's so sad that the company will go this far to screw over their fans just want to play older games, especially when their own products either don't work or are incredibly lucky because of their 7 year old hardware that was already outdated the moment came out in 2017.
Oh, and also because some developers simply just cannot optimize their game enough to modern day standards (cough cough GameFreak).
Yuzu devs were simply too far gone and made no efforts to hide distribution of ROMs prerelease on their discord. I don't even care about the Patreon, it's not the only emudev to have such a system in place but they really fucked themselves (or rather a few of its devs). Just made themselves a prime target.
@@Chardan001The situation really sucks but I 100% agree. They did this to themselves unfortunately.
you genuinely have to be such a loser to get mad on the behalf of a multi-billion dollar corporation at people playing 20-30 year old video games which arent even legally purchasable
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
As the video says ToTK got pirated and got millions of downloads before the game was even out, so most of the stuff you say doesn't hold any water.
Added fact, Yuzu had patreon and the team gave up really easily against the allegations, meaning Nintendo had a stronger case than that's public knowledge.
If we were talking about them taking down VBA, which is literally the most downloaded GBA emulator ever, that would be different, there is a site called Abandonia that stores lots of games you can't buy anymore and that site has been up for years, what Nintendo doesn't want is people making money out of properties they own and the Yuzu team was dumb enough to put their emulator behind a paywall.
Gabe said it best, "Piracy is because of a service issue"
I love our lord Gaben.
Money issues
Why did Minecraft become the most sold and most played game in video game history?
Notch told us to pirate the game until we could afford to buy it.
What does Nintendo have that genuinely competes with Minecraft?
Nothing. Nintendo has nothing that competes with Minecraft.
Point and case.
Copyright sucks, anti-piracy sucks, DMCA sucks and most especially importantly, greed, live service, loot boxes and microtransactions sucks too!!
Your argument is a double edged sword, aren't pirates "greedy" by hording romsets? You don't need to have access to every game on the planet, you want access to it. Piracy sucks, back in the day us PC gamers had a perfectly good model called shareware, which allowed the player to play a game 1/3 of the way complete, no time limits and it still wasn't enough, people who pirate are always going to pirate. If it were up to me there would be code in my products that purposely damages unrecognized hardware.
@@daedalus547 Forget about that but however I sometimes would still be buying games only if they're cheap and on sale sometimes. Also I may understand your opinion and sometimes I barely knew there could be obvious overpriced games.
And when AAA companies tend to refused their many mistakes when they don't polish their games, then what is literally the use when they got lazy employees to make unfinished games? Also with many controversies had happened over the years, it might won't make the gaming scene concluded with any cure or solution. And today was lot worse with lots and lots of live service games and MMOs, and definitely less paid games.
And in addition, some shareware or demos can barely have significant differences between those and the final product and which means it results in changes. There might be features or content not pretty identical between each other. Unless devs retaining those features and content from the earlier build and carry over to the final game, none of this would've happened.
Plus Google Play and Steam sometimes had half or much crappy single player games that even made free. That might suck a lot indeed and they're part of shovelware.
And to be honest with anyone, the world will collide when even paid games can be useless sometimes. And in other words, having a paid game with live service features were more crap than ever. And at least there's Epic Games Store where they gave free games sometimes on a perpetual basis...
@@NaufalHS If you don't like their practices why play their games at all? You make piracy even worse. If x company doesn't do what I want, I'll still play their game but not buy it? Seriously are you really going with that? Now I really do hope some company does employ hardware destroying DRM, you deserve it!
@@daedalus547 But it's not meant that it'll make piracy even worse but it's just seemingly complicated to talk about. For me I really had no any single other choice and I really still willingly going to play their games when in difficult situations. Plus DRMs are really a huge nightmare, and especially with some mindless morons like Denuvo and the now dead Securom with countless other DRMs exists in the first place. And also always online requirement is lot more problematic.
@@NaufalHS What do you mean you don't have a choice? Did someone hold you at gun point when you pirated something and forced you to play it? You pirates are funny! I had no choice, the big bad person made me do it! Lololololololol You are in control of what you do, 'i didn't have a choice' is hilariously bad cop out.
So a company can take away something you fully purchased and tell you it's not yours anymore well give me my money back otherwise piracy threats us all better
Fr Microsoft straight up erased my account I had so many games in there spend over 300$ in game and everything is gone...thx to piracy I got em back not finna spend so much money just got get it taken away I'm broke
Im impressed you got this video sponsored
Well, watched your whole video now and what I think on the subject is, if I don't have any option to get the game I want to play officially, then it's abandonware and "I think" people shouldn't feel bad downloading them.
Next, if I bought a game for a console and I want to emulate it on whatever I want, I should be able to get ripped version of it digitally and officially. If not, "I think" downloading them is OK.
Uploading and hosting them? Not so much. But if not for these groups or people, you would have to pay $1.299,99 for a Super Mario 64. This is the first search result that popped up on ebay. Also, buying it second hand doesn't actually earn those companies anything but for these people. So, I'm ok with it.
Also, we don't have official systems from providers and/or publishers to get access to digital versions of physically purchased games. They mostly require you to purchase them again through their stores and run those older games on the console using EMULATION(!?). Why would I pay again for a game I own already?
Long story short, emulation is great, piracy not so much but it can be used wisely. People can turn any good thing into a bad thing with enough force and this is happening for emulation now.
the fact we are moving towards a live service trend is terrifying.
and the other fact that more and more things break at a calculated rate is already bad enough as it is.
which means that the idea "you will own nothing and be happy" needs to get dealt with as soon as possible.
i do NOT want fridges, cars and pretty much anything else require constant internet access.
games should also not have any online drm period.
i payed for a license to play. if you shut down the drm servers thats not my problem since you violated my right to access the product i payed for, without explicitly stating that this is was just a time limited rent, which inherently means that you are basically committing fraud.
"Well if I own a game"
Well there's your first mistake...
?
What do you mean by this?
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182Technically you own a license to the game not the actual game. It’s crap like this that consumer protection laws need to be strengthened
@@XxZannexXthat’s exactly why I don’t buy modern
@@XxZannexX Thats more for digital games, but yes that is correct.
I have been watching Blissys videos about Pokemon RNG manipulation for a while and when he made custom events for Pokemon emerald I really wanted to put them on my cartridge to experience them on my GBA. One of the steps to that is to rip your save file and game from the emerald cartridge so you can emulate the E-reader in dolphin to get the event into the game. At first I thought "isn't that illegal" but then I remembered I bought Pokemon emerald and own it so it would be dumb if it was illegal. Copyright laws are so weird and I feel like it's hard to find general laws that can easily apply to every type of media or creation. I don't think they will ever not be complicated since depending on what you are talking about you could need a type of copyright law that is mutually exclusive for that kind of media that allows fair use and also protects the creators rights.
I feel like people forget that Nintendo started as a toy company and still operates like one. Toy companies are very possessive over their exclusives and they want you to buy every version of a toy that they put out (ex barbie). Nintendo still thinks that they are a toy company with the consoles being their “toys” and the games being the accessories. they only want you to use their latest toy and only use the accessories on that latest version
Gambling company actually
@@Nostalgiaforinfireally?! I thought they started as a toy company whose first product was trading cards but this kind of makes it worse 😅
@Echoingsunflowers981 there's a retrospective on the company hisyory here on yt but ya they were cutthroat getting around gambling restrictions in Japan and semi legal stuff. Don't let the kid focused content distract you.
And ran love hotels in there past
@@Echoingsunflowers981the cards had adult themes on them
Something you got incorrect throughout this video is that just because you own the physical disc with a game on it, DOES NOT mean you own the game itself. You own the license to play that game. The license you own isn’t hardware, it is software, just like the game on the disc is software as well. It’s the same as buying a PC and saying you “own” the windows OS…
Buy a digital game from the official store and pay the full price. Then downloading the ROM for that same game and playing it in the emulator is not illegal. What is illegal is when that game company decides to pull the game off the store making it impossible to play it AND not giving you a full refund plus some extra money as compensation for taking something from you that you are enjoying.
We need the government to be on our side not on the company side.
I stay by my mantra: if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.
Honestly how many games have people bought are they now unable to play? That seems like a made-up problem.
@@xkrylo8002 I recently discovered time-based events no longer work in my copy of Pokemon Sapphire because the internal cartridge battery has died. Emulation would solve that. I can still play the game without emulation, but it's no longer the complete experience. My original hardware is also starting to break and is in need of repairs. Emulation would be a cheaper and better solution to that problem.
For now I'm living with just not being able to effectively play a bunch of older physical games I still own, because I've got a huge catelog of modern games to play, but for someone who wants to continue playing their older games, emulation can be a practical and good solution.
@@xkrylo8002Personally, well over a hundred, probably. I've owned a lot of micros and consoles over the years, most of the hardware has either died or was landfilled*/donated to others. *not my decision.
@@TheUAoB If you buy a proprietary game, obviously you're aware you'll need that console to play it. And as long as you keep it, you can play it.
@@xkrylo8002So you're giving me your permission to use my software how you would like? How generous! Why though, would you have authority over me? Why would would a multi-national corporation? Even accepting the authority of the Nation State under which I live, I have certain rights which you can't legally take away.
Oh my gosh. I haven't watched the video yet,. but just seeing a big internet personality FINALLY stating that important distiction in a video title MAKES ME DARN HAPPY. I really shouldn't care, but all those uneducated comments that literally use Emulation and Piracy as synonyms make my vessels pop.
Switch Online has emulators and is never considered piracy, so I don’t know why your blood vessels explodes when someone made that claim. 3rd party emulators on the other hand are mainly driven by piracy, so it’s not weird people confiscating the two terms when there’s no attempt of circumventing piracy in 3rd party emus (for decades btw)
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Just because MANY PEOPLE use knives to commit murder, that doesn't make "cutting" and "murder" the same. And just like that, just because MANY PEOPLE use emulators with pirated games, it doesn't justify acting like "emulation" and "piracy" are the same. It's just wrong, simple as that. And why does that upset me so much? BECAUSE IT LEADS PEOPLE TO FIGHT THE WRONG F*CKING ENEMY. Which sounds overdramatic, but it's true and important! There IS a power in masses saying stuff. Right now we have a huge community of people spreading hate and judgement upon EMULATION, when many of them don't even know that they really want to go against PIRACY. And on the other hand, when the general mass doesn't get the difference, then they will never get why it's a very harmful hypocrit move of Nintendo to fight "emulation". As you said, they're doing emulation themselves. And while pirates do use emulators, fighting those emulators does nothing to stop the actual piracy. Piracy, especially on Switch, relies mostly on the ACTUAL Switch consoles. Shutting down Yuzu gave pirates one less way to play their pirated games and non-pirates one less way to enjoy their own, legally bought games. It did not stop pirating. They still have two (soon three) ways left to play their pirated games. With one of them not being an emulator but Nintendo's own damn hardware. If Nintendo made their Switch more secure, Switch piracy either wouldn't be a thing, or it would be so immensely more difficult that much less people would do it. But instead they go and shut down tools. Don't get me wrong, Yuzu Team did sh*t that makes THEM deserve what they got - and I myself modded my Switch to dump my own purchased games. But I think my points still stand.
I assume your feelings changed after you watch the video, a lot of odd misinformation throughout the video which makes me wonder how much he actually knows about the topic. Like Dreamcast has multi layer discs...what?
@@nate6862I mean, I have no clue about the dreamcast, but that's not really what the video was about, was it? What misinformation was there regarding the actual topic?
@@nate6862 I look it up and it seems that SOME dreamcast disks did have layers.
The Yuzu guys did a lot of damage to the "Emulation is not Piracy" talking point. Anyone who likes emulation should hate them
They took all the millions of dollars from the suckers who paid them and ran away.
Anyone who takes money for their emulation works is a moron and is bad for the emulation scene. Everyone should have known this
I’m extremely pissed at them because I recently got into emulation and was excited how there will possibly be a way to back up my digital copies on my switch when it inevitably gets no longer supported.
@@Echoingsunflowers981You can still get the emulator and still rip games from the switch. The only issue will be any future games may not be fully compatible with Yuzu.
@@xdragoonzero0 I doubt that, I tried to download citra and it wouldn’t run. Luckily I found retroarch
7:03 This is a terrible comparison. Downloading a digital copy of a game you own physically produces a bit for bit identical copy. If you extract it yourself, you'd have the exact same thing. If you copied that, you'd have the exact same thing. You can't make a copy of a Twix bar even if you do have one at home. A Twix bar gives you a completely different bar of food. It's physically a new thing. Stealing it prevents someone else from buying it. It's not a good comparison.
I'm not a lawyer either, but since you're blowing smoke on this point, I'll go ahead and do the same. Downloading a digital copy of a digital thing you already own isn't piracy. That's how so much software works. You download a full version of an operating system, and then you provide a key so it works. You can download many copies, but they're useless without the key. You do the same thing with productivity software. I don't know what you use to edit your videos, but you needed a key to use that. Modern console games also have keys, although that's usually handled behind the scenes. These days even physical games work the same way. Have you ever activated a game you owned physically on a digital store? You do so with a key, usually from an insert or a sticker. Console platforms even let you purchases digital keys from other storefronts, like Amazon. Yes, emulation bypasses the need for a key, but if you already legally own a key, it's not piracy to download another copy. If you don't own a key then it is illegal. But you specifically said that downloading a copy of something you already own is illegal. I disagree.
Yup, I'm still not a lawyer, and I'm not recommending that people download things just because I don't think it's illegal. I'm just showing how far off that Twix comparison was by comparing game software to, you know, software. The rest of the video was great. But this was not.
Piracy is nesecary for preservation
not really. ROM dumping is necessary. Piracy is the illegal distribution of those ROM's
“hacking a switch seems like a huge pain in the ass” It’s not. It’s incredibly easy with a launch model. I guarantee Bob has a launch model laying around in his apartment somewhere. All you need to do is get a jig or a goddamn paperclip.
hell you can do it with some tinfoil and tape if you want (don't recommend but it's how i got started).
Oh shit, maybe Nintendo can sue companies that sell paperclips for infringement since you have to buy paperclips.
Yes but not all switch models can be hacked with a paper clip though.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 that’s exactly why I said “launch model” my friend. 2017-2018 switches can do this. It’s incredibly easy and cheap to find one and I’m positive that bob would have easy access to one. It’s so unbelievably simple to do.
@@ZagTheWag Oh sorry must have miss read. My bad.
First also it's weird that Nintendo is chasing down emulation but they actively use it. Even if it is just to remove competition within the sphere, it is pretty suspect.
Exactly, by their own standard of their products Nintendo shouldn't be considered against emulation, they're against 'illegal' ones where they can't make money off of it, because they're clearly using it to fund their own products from the Nintendo switch online service, to Super Mario 3D All-Stars. The problem is that Yuzu and all these other emulators are never proven to be privacy they're merely just a host for other ROMs and code to be entered in order to function.
Suing them is like getting angry at a DVD Player for playing pirated discs, it's nonsensical and quite frankly, just a scapegoat Nintendo is going with in order to further push their agenda of forcing fans to go to their options for emulation.
It just so happens that those set options at Nintendo's offering on the Switch are all shit, so fans go to other emulators to play those and older tiles that aren't on the newer system.
It's so sad that the company will go this far to screw over their fans just want to play older games, especially when their own products either don't work or are incredibly lucky because of their 7 year old hardware that was already outdated the moment came out in 2017.
Oh, and also because some developers simply just cannot optimize their game enough to modern day standards (cough cough GameFreak).
They wouldn't be going after yuzu if they weren't pulling in almost half a million a year on patreon. Open source emulators don't get sued like this, just the ones trying to make a fuckload of money from it.
@@SSJ_EWGF Again, they sued yuzu specifically because they were making hundreds of thousands a year on patreon. It's not that hard to realize why they went after yuzu. I love yuzu but trying to profit off it was a stupid move.
They've also been caught red handed selling the ripped ROMs back to you for money.
@@Deexehthat was proven false already.
3:05 - One thing you notice about all this is that while we have court cases that say you can make archival copies, the DMCA made it illegal to remove copyright protection to accomplish this. IIRC that doesn't prevent you from copying the entire ROM wholesale, copy protection and all, and just using something read it with that protection there, just removing it. But it's fuzzy and they'll definitely abuse the courts and legal bodies to make it effectively illegal.
Personally I just find the whole idea that a company can put a digital lock on something you own to prevent you from doing something legal with it when we would not tolerate a physical lock doing the same thing. The DMCA needs to die in a fire. It's caused so much harm and it is a chief tool in preventing users from repairing their own property and is being used to effectively eliminate property rights for the consumer and force them to rent everything from big conglomerates, often overseas.
9:10 - The DMCA bit about breaking copy protection / DRM is likely why this hasn't happened. Old cart based games really do not have DRM on them. The protection was usually physical. Some early items like Playstation had physical copy protection where there are bad areas on the disc which prevented commercial burners from reading them properly. Dreamcast didn't have any DRM. But later ones do start to include DRM code on the disk and that's the provision Nintendo used to go after Yuzu.
1:56 - It really sickens me how Nintendo has been lying about this my entire life. They seriously are going on the strategy of lie enough times and it'll become truth path. Or more specifically, sue enough people with meritless cases and eventually it'll become de facto law.
if games arent software, what are they? if i digitally download a game, is it not software?
Of course Nintendo can tell you what you can do with the games you buy, the same way I can tell them what to do with the money I gave them
Oh wait
Nintendo: Yoink!
Exactly, you see the inconsistent values held by Nintendo at play here.
If I paid for own something I should be able to do whatever I want with it as long as It dose not hurt anyone else.
Fuck nintendos policy
They committed irregularities regarding emulation. It’s not Nintendos policy. It’s the law.
@@coolergabeNintendo said they don't like emulation. That is not the law
@@coolergabe "Unlawful" and "illegal" do not mean the same thing.
Bob, I look forward to everyone of your videos. Each one seems to get better and better, at this point each one feels like a TV episode. Great job!
Consoles should have disc burners or cart writers in them. Whenever you buy a game you should be able to make a backup copy.
Maybe to prevent rampant copying, those backups should be keyed to your Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft account, so they'll only work on a console where you are signed in.
Using the printing press isn't stealing from book publishers, so why would emulation
Emulation isn't illegal, and isn't theft; neither is printing a book. but redistributing that reprint/ dumped rom is illegal
Except if you don't get explicit permission from the author it is??? You can't just print Stephen King's IT on your own press and claim your own edition of the novel that King has no right to
I love how nobody has a problem with ripping a music CD to a computer but if somebody backs up their game cartridge, it's the heist of the century
The vast majority of ROM users didn't dump/rip them because they don't own them, so downplaying it as being the same as "ripping a CD" doesn't make sense.
Greedy mfs
@@OMA2k What about the ones that did though? Thats the group that OP is referring to.
If the game is still being sold, I will buy it to support the developer.
If the game is no longer being sold, it's abandonware and I will pirate it.
Bonus: If your game has no demo, I will make my own demo. That is all.
I'd also add I'm under no obligation to repurchase a game just because a company implemented an arbitrary hardware lock.
How many times could you theoretically buy Super Mario Bros?
@@affsteak3530 For sure. If you've bought a new copy of a game at full price at any point, you've done your part in supporting that game for the rest of your life imo.
I used to torrent games in the past before purchasing them. If it was good, I bought it. If it wasn't , I didn't. I have over 450 games today, so I speak with merit.
Exactly the reason I yoinked a copy of Mario and Luigi Partners in Time from the internet.
Its so easy to say that when youre a big collector with every game you coule possibly own.
They could literally make 10 million GB, GBA, DS era Pokemon games including special consoles a year and would still sell out.
Emulation is a key method to playing the game without getting ripped off.
I can't even for sure buy a LEGITIMATE Pokemon Emerald copy online without wondering if it's just a fake anyways.
This is just sad, Nintendo would rather that the future generation miss out on stuff we got to play as kids and never be able to play those beloved titles for the first time and experience what we experienced. The 3D All Stars event hurt my soul, yeah some people got to try out Mario's first 3D titles great! only if they bought it before March.. (they also didn't get to play Galaxy 2..)
The way Nintendo is going is that they want shut the past instead of embracing it and even if they do it'll just be a full priced remaster of maybe one or two games and that's it..
Nintendo: remember our past games, no play, only remember
E m u l a t e
To all the people saying it’s bad to emulate current gen consoles… why is that? Emulators are completely reverse engineered, there is no stealing involved there. The fact of the matter is Nintendo current consoles are technically behind the times and therefore it is possible to brute force and reverse engineer a switch within its life span. We are probably a decade away from a working ps5 emulator but then why does Nintendo get to be special and sue people for figuring out how to replicate their console because it’s simpler?
And before you come at me with the obvious, I have 3 switch’s, I’ve owned every Nintendo console except WiiU and my library is huge, all paid for.
The only way that emulating current gen consoles is bad is that people will use emulation as an excuse to pirate games
An individual would go “why spend money on games that support the company that makes the games when I can just download and emulate the games for free”
The mindset that should be approached to emulation should be “if I can buy it brand new then buy it before emulating it, if it can’t be bought brand new then emulate it”, of course there are exceptions such as “if you can buy it brand new but don’t want to support the company that made the game, then buy used because buying used versions of games you can buy brand new is easier than buying used versions of games you can’t buy new”