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"if I can't mindlessly loop a killer for 5 gens they need to be gutted" - Every Survivor Main who has not played a single game as Killer.
Lol not quite how it works
Pretty much yeah xD😅
@@Buhduh
T bag at gate
@@Buhduh i've seen a lot of people complaining about killers on reddit where it basically is just that they cant consistently loop a killer for multiple gens
"Killers aren't meant to win." People genuinely don't think killers should be getting anything. Like at all. It's an ideology I see more and more of.
The dbd community doesn’t discuss as much as they just throw out their opinions and then treat it as a fact.
Personal Bias has a lot to do with it, and I am also at fault when it comes to it as well. People are so dead set on their thoughts about anything relating to DBD most of the time that they will take something, form a hot take opinion or just an opinion that is factually incorrect, and do more than just die on the hill they built themselves.
The biggest issue is how many dbd players vastly overestimate their own skill. The game is incredibly simple, but when you hear people flexing hours, saying they have "over 8000 hours" like it's impressive when that's casual fighting game numbers. Few are actually interested in improving, instead choosing to argue and pretend they're better. When the game isn't even competitively viable in the first place.
I legit laugh at anyone who talks about comp or claims to be a pro. If you ain't playing a fighting game or an RTS game you ain't got nothing to be proud of with that label.
@@Ganksy_ if games with extreme RNG like Pokemon can be competitively viable dbd can as well.
@@hippieherotv8151 dog water take
@@Ganksy_ why even reply if you add nothing of value to a conversation?
@@hippieherotv8151 I was going to ask you the same thing, but I thought it'd be rude.
Because I have a Skill issue with talking in a coversation
This is so valid lol
DBD community has alot of skill issues lol
Do try to not push yourself to hard Kaiser and don't need to apologize, your health does come first, mental physical or what not. As for the people who comment with points that you either mention or don't bring up in videos... Sadly people pause the video or stop watching it once something they don't like or agree with is mentioned or just skim through a video because it's not 5 seconds long. Could also be stuff from one's own experiences or whatever that can let them be a bit trigger happy. Least that's how I view it or have seen. Could also be ignorance too, I do kind of fall into that with my own comments from time to time.
Regardless, do try to take it easy, can't wait for your hot take on Distortion. my own 2 cents and to the point: encourages tunneling out people who are still viewable to the killer if aura reading is in the build for lower tier players and maybe even just all forms of elo.
Distortion argument: As a survivor main (I know, dc) when I played dbd at first when jeff was first released I never used distortion as I felt it was too weak: No regen of tokens, only 3 tokens so once gone its a useless perk etc etc. But what made me start using Distortion religiously as the primary reason was I got sick and tired of being tunneled at 5 gens with no chance to even play the game by lethal blights, nurses, billys or some other high tier killer. The reason that completely soldified my usage of distortion though is the number of aura reading items and perks and the CONSTANT use of "meta". I kept seeing Nowhere to hide, Lethal pursuer, BBQ and chilli (Though I have no gripes about this perk specifically), darkness revealed (Again no gripes) just to name a few.
I kept seeing all these perks in almost every game I played, unless the killer was a literal 4 slowdown sweating like they are in an ESL tournament misery guts. The same logic applied for Calm Spirit when I kept seeing infectious and killers would 4 man slug at 5 gens and so I got no game time. Then ofc later ultimate weapon came out to be extremely oppressive which soldified that perk too. People need to understand that if they become meta and killers keep using the same perks repeatedly, I'm going to use counter-measures to prevent the perks working on me so I can actually HAVE a fun game!
I agree. They want to keep adding aura reading for killers. Three years ago this wasn't an issue. Like you said. Distortion was weak when I first started DBD. There is an increase in the use of it for a reason. I disagree with the argument as well when people try to say it encourages selfish gameplay and encourages killers to tunnel. Killers will tunnel regardless it doesn't matter what you bring. You can bring Ds and OTR. Killers don't mind eating through them to get you out of the game. I've done it myself as killer. And there will be survivors who are altruistic and survivors who want to hide. Getting rid of distortion won't change that either.
Omg same! I started using Distortion more after Knight came out, I was tired if the Lethal, BBQ, Surge, Floods meta. Literally every game was the same, work on gens for a bit, killer would hook, see you, run over to your gen (if you pre-ran) kick and then proceed to chase/down you because they knew exactly where you were because of the aura read, if you didn't run to the other side of the map to avoid being seen. Then you'd have to hightail over to your now almost dead generator because it regressed so fast, especially if the killer decided to use pop instead of surge. XO
Distortion, as much as many killers like to complain about, is a godsend and allows you to play the game a little before you're found (bad luck/spawn, etc)
I can understand this 👍
I'm a killer main who uses aura reading perks because my hearing is bad. But I can definitely understand not liking getting Lethal Pursuer-ed at the start, or Nowhere to Hide-ed.
I'm okay with Distortion as long as the person using it isn't just hiding all match. I've had no choice but to go after recently unhooked people because whoever unhooked them just hid forever. And sadly that same unhooker would also happen to have Distortion.
The problem i have with distortion isnt the effect its how you regain tokens as being in the tr is really easy
My only issue is distortions requirement of being in terror radius is to easy. (Especially since unlike stake out distortion regens in chase) That low requirement while hard countering aura perks is significant and just leads to more gen slowdown perks being used. Gen regression aura reading anti heal and slug builds have always been pretty standard so for 3 not really be viable it just leaves us with gen regression again and again.
Every new killer gets called overpowered on release, even if the counterplay is laughably easy in some cases.
People will play like, 3 matches and make huge sweeping balance statements. In reality, even the PTB doesn't usually last long enough for survivors as a whole to learn the new counterplay. It generally takes 2 or 3 weeks minimum for the majority of players to adapt. It's just one of the downsides to playing the team-based role, unfortunately.
4:04 "I really fucking hate, when people try to disagree with me on something, and they bring up what role they main, or how many hours they have."
I~ and I'm sure I'm not the only one ~state what I'm a main of, to make clear my biases and perspective. Like, if someone says "I'm an (X) main, and I don't like (Y), for (Z) reasons." What they're a main of doesn't effect their argument. The reasons why they don't like the thing, the 'Z' part.
What saying what you're a main of DOES let everyone know of, is basically, "Hey, this is what I'm a main of, this is my opinion, BUT I'm probably missing information that someone who does play the other side have on the matter.", so someone else can respond with information filling them in, and just debate with the knowledge of the kind of mindset and kinds of experience the OP has.
It's not necessarily saying "I'm an (X) main so I know better than you.", it may very well be saying "I'm an (X) main, so that lets you know of my mindset and what biases I have."
Same goes for~ Although to a lesser extent ~the hours. Though more often people just bring up their hours to flex and pretend they're better than the peasants who have less hours than them. But, still, knowing if the argument is coming from the perspective of someone brand new at the game, or a veteran who's been playing since day one, can give some insight onto why they have the opinions they do, and what biases they have.
For example, a new player saying "I don't like (X), because it's hard to learn the counterplay for", one would understand that it's coming from the perspective of a new player, who's struggling to learn the mechanics of the game and the counterplay to and mechanics of all of the dozens of different killers, is finding themselves struggling with this one in particular. And not the perspective of a Veteran who's just whining about how they don't like how a new killer has four powers and they have to learn how to... crouch to avoid skeletons. Or can't just rely entirely on pre-dropping anymore.
That's not to say the role they main or the time they've spent playing is crucial to their argument. But, knowing it, and letting people know it, does help others understand where they're coming from.
As for distortion. Im huge distortion fan. I run this Perk since GigaJeff came out and it was already strong and offered a new decision making: either spent a token to conceal urself or spent time to hide in a locker in order to save some. It also had some skill ceiling cuz u've could purposly ran into aura reading in order to hide ur scratches(nurse's calling was meta back then) and the only thing I ever wanted is to have 4 or 5 token and that is all. Now distortion is spineless Perk that can be trully countered by either massive aura build or stealth killer and It is killing me. I love this perk a LOT cuz It is perfect designed in so many aspects except token usage. And I beg, bhvr, pls return back good ol distortion. It was FINE It was HEALTHY and It was COOL AND FUN.
P. S. I dunno why I wrote my thoughts and sry for bed england. Have a good day
Sometimes I’m glad BHVR doesn’t listen to the community much because the community’s balance suggestions are godawful. I think I can best describe it with a quote from the lead dev of Ultrakill.
“It’s a good thing that none of you guys are making the game because then it would suck.”
I agree, and it's a shame because. I do believe that being able to have such discussions is very important for getting better at the game.
Hours and prestige levels mean nothing if you refuse to learn from your mistakes, or just sac urself on first hook because Wraith is definitely uncounterable guys (no seriously why do people keep giving up first hook when I play Wraith it makes no sense stop it)
As a person who plays survivor and killer and only have 300 hours…
I like cheeseburgers with mushrooms.
1: Too many people think their credentials give them weight in an discussion that isn't about personal experience.
2: I wish you couldn't gain distortion stacks while in chase.
As someone whose been in this community for 6 years now, yup.
You're talking about a community who has a 'villain' in it who advocates for hooking survivors more over outright killing them, and promotes fairer killer play but everyone hates him because it nerfs survivors in a specific way and brings up the killer role to make every killer viable at all levels.
Healthy discourse in DBD is usually reserved for debates between content creators
That’s so true never thought about how prevalent discussion content is in DBD vs other games.
I dont agree with the people calling for nerfs based off of killrates, because like you said its totally stupid to look at the killrates that way. Sadly, the devs themselves do it aswell, so how are these people supposed to get it when the devs themselves even dont get it?
I do want to know though but what do you not like about distortion? Either answer or send me the link to the video you mentioned so I can check it but I am curious as despite our views being 100% different on some topics I do still enjoy seeing your point of view and compare it. Maybe even discuss about it a little but I am genuinely curious as I never had any problem with the perk myself and maybe you had issues I am even unaware of in my experience on the game.
The problem with the community at large is they're super entitled and revel in willful ignorance. They'll just keep pushing the goal post anytime you bring up something they don't like. Some people get absolutely fanatical about what they don't like and will do whatever they can to try to gaslight/insult you for saying going against their opinions.
I get why people say “I’m a __ main” in their arguments, they are trying to add ethos, or make it seem like they know what they are talking about but in turn because they rarely ever elaborate on why they feel the way that they do about the issue, the statement ends up being the whole evidence of their argument, which actually damages their argument in the end. They want to try and appeal to the side they main like, “oh yeah guys I’m just like you!! But I think we should keep distortion” but in the end, most people who feel a certain way about an aspect of the game will almost always feel that way.
I wish more people would try and learn the game or look at their own mistakes, DBD is in such a weird line of being so easy to play once you know what to do but impossible to grasp if you don’t and I feel like a majority of the playerbase falls in the later group of just not knowing what to do in most situations, so instead of thinking about the counterplay or what they could’ve done differently they just blame the other side or BHVR because “it can’t possibly be my fault!”
i feel most people post killer / survivor main and all their hours because that is the order in which a argument is dismissed by the community. "you just say that because your a *blank* main." "you must be new to the game so your opinion is worthless". so now as a knee jerk reaction to trying to make any point, they post info first.
i swear all the Dbd community's problems can be solved by just getting better at the game.
I agree with the fact that distortion is broken and prompts toxic play. As someone who uses the perk mainly for the event with the tricks. I personally use it for a more offensive usage like using it to go for unhooks and use it to extend chases. But I often see people who use the perk as a more stealth approach and it's absolutely making the game worse
"As a X Main" or "As someone with 8x10^10000 hours" are the same thing as "I'm not ist/phobe" it means you're about to spout uneducated bs. I see both sides of arguments, most times, but there is no valid argument for nerfing a killer/perk that hasn't had time to be community vetted for counterplay. I bet some of these people are the same ones that think Meyers is OP, or that old Background player was fine, or even that Chucky's Scamper was fair and balanced . . .
And as for the current PTB, all I ask is that if more surv gen perks are being brought in, buff more killer gen perks to compensate, gen times are INSANE these days. those "90" second gens are getting done in about 50-60 at the start of the trial ( if the survs are smart and split up).
All perks are crutches, distortion is base kit
Yeah, the DBD community doesn’t know how to take criticism because they’re so focused on their side like when vecna got his Nerf I thought it was useless and pointless because he wasn’t that strong to begin with now he’s not weak, but there’s a lot of counter play to all his spells with flight. You’re usually never going to be right on top of survivors or be able to block them so it’s mostly just for travel and utility, mage hand greed just greeted flight of the Damned easy either crouch or if you’re good enough of a distance away, you can see the skeletons fly very easily. Try to get in between because the spread is large. As a person that loves debate and having conversations, I’m always disappointed in the dead by daylight community because we’re so stuck in this faction warfare we can’t see adjective truth
dead by daylight
I remember one time I just said that I thought the streamer and the youtuber were both in the wrong and I was called a whiner hell the guy wasn't part of the community appearly and kept calling me a whiner there pfp looked like plague honestly but then other people dogged on me when I Said I wasn't whining just saying my opinion, could it hav been wrong? Maybe but I couldn't hav a talk with anyone and was just endlessly assluted
Nobody wants to improve at the game my friends think Bubba is OP but he really isn't if you stay away from basement and even if he does get a basement camp you can just crank out all the gens
Excuse me! I will NOT be discussing this with you.
Lol.
Kaiser I don't understand get why you think this community is bad at discussions about this game. I'm Zenyatta main and I've been playing on my cousin's xbox for at least an afternoon, and I think vecna deserved those nerfs because flight of the dammed was hurting my knees.
I Imagine a huge issue of this community is that they do the same shit most do on youtube. watch the vid to a point till they find somethin they dissagree with and kneejerk a response, or they read the title and just assumed what it was about. (Love to see a vid with an inflammatory title and just have it be a baking vid 2 minutes in just to see how true that is)
I think this only magnified by people who are dick deep in the trench mud of the us vs them war, that they don't bother listening. it's like a real life parody of an ancient fantasy beef between elves and dwarves or some shit.
Too many people hear and not enough people LISTEN.
People want to make they’re points and don’t want to discuss, discussion entails listening to someone and consider their point of view, not “well you’re wrong because my point and pov are correct”
I think more people should stop trying to get their point across and just LISTEN for a change.
And if you want to have a good faith discussions then let’s have that but I feel like too many people don’t want to, they just want to prove you WRONG.
If we are going by kill rates. Freddy is the strongest killer hands down. Nurse? Pfft, nah who needs to phase through walls when I can put down hehehaha blood puddles
I'm gonna be honest whole community and it's gonna be really hot take and some content creators well how to say it everyone think about one thing If I cant win a match easily without any effort That means something is unbalanced and needs to be gutted to the ground and this comes from both sides
I assume people that know how to discuss will not enter a potentially bad debate. While I don't agree with some takes, I am going with my day as usual. I will leave some notes this time though: 1. Context of a person matters for the argument (e.g. I am a victim of X therefore I have empathy with Y and still I don't agree) regards to killer/surv main and hours. 2. While nurse was and is the strongest in chases, old 3gen SM was the strongest at getting the desired results: kills with less effort. Hope you have a good day and thank you for reading my comment. Your opinion matters even it is not the absolute truth.
Cognitive dissonance plagues this community. That said I appreciate the community for what it is regardless. I love the game and I have fun playing. Win, lose or otherwise. It's just a game. If people talked face to face there would not be so many silly arguments.
Kaiser is tired. and i dont blame them.
DBD may or may not have the most toxic community, thats up for debate. but it sure feels like it has the most draining and tiring one...
You could almost call this community politics by daylight 😂
i can see the problem that your saying but you are trying to change years of entitlement of both survivors and killers players and it is not easy, hell i don't think it can be done the game is built on a "us vs them" idea us- the killers them- the survivors where you need to make each side happy and fun but doing the cool stuff means to break the norm that so many people are use to. keep trying man i hope one day your videos will make people question why some things are the way they are and strive for a better change.
I would disagree on the part of not caring about how much hours of experience a player has. It separates people who may have a good understanding of the game and the 20 hour players who think Decisive Strikes should be active every time a survivor is in the dying state
I dont personally feel like distortion is broken. Perks that make survivors scream already counter it. Plus, i dont feel like it's fair to hate distortion while liking Franklin's especially considering there both perks designed to counter a very strong part of both roles. I understand why you may not like it, but both sides essentially have perks that completely shut down the others tools.
Never seen a comment prove my point harder than this one. Thanks, I can use this as a perfect example of people not listening and addressing points never said. Its uncanny
@KaiserDaGaemer ok? Idk dude I tried to be reasonable and stuff but it kinda seems like you don't like it when people disagree with you. I can understand not agreeing with what I said. But at the same time there's no reason to be but hurt about it. My point was that alot of the people who enjoy using Franklin's don't like distortion and that they both shutdown important parts of the others kit.
@KaiserDaGaemer also no offense but I don't understand what your trying to say in the video. Yea people bring up points that are not yours that's how a discussion works. Idk maybe I just don't understand what your trying to say. Plus I don't feel like I can the video seriously when you tend to get very mad in your other videos. Sometimes to the point of screaming and shouting. I don't feel like your the best person to talk about having discussions. Especially considering your other content.
First problem with your comparison perk is that franklins may counter items however it's also one of the easiest perks to counter. You simply have to pre drop your item and return back to it later and you have countered 25% of the killer build right then and there. How does one counter distortion? Constant constant constant aura reading like scratches mirror Myers or remaining undetectable throughout an ENTIRE match. So franklins is comparatively significantly more easier to counter. To make the conditions for franklins as beneficial as distortion it would be as easy as "whenever a survivor enters a killers terror radius they drop items that automatically start depleting and are unable to pick them"
2 screams and auras in term of info are no where comparable in value. Scream can give you a general idea of where someone is however auras show are they healing on a gen, mending, using a perk, going into a locker, doing a killer item, on a gate, hiding and so much more while not blocking half your screen with a large noise notification bubble.
3. Ad hominem attacks like you just did have no place in any type of discussion.
4 . Kaiser is an extremely chill TH-camr compared to most he's dramatic for comedy and emphasis. (It's a pretty common practice on the entertainment industry) He's openly stated that multiple times in different videos.
@hippieherotv8151 I personally disagree with the Franklin's take. Simply because it implies that you already know the killer has Franklin's. In solo queue you are unlikely to know until either you get hit, you see a item on the floor, or you see a teammate get hit. I'll admit Franklin's does hurt some items far less. Medkits are probably the items that are hit the hardest. I've never had an issue with Distortion so I don't really understand the fuss.
As for the creator themselves Idk he just seems a bit rude sometimes. And the yelling and shouting doesn't help. I still don't think he should make videos saying the community is bad at discussion when he himself is also bad at discussion. He gets really worked up like way to easily. And his arguments in the video didn't make much sense.
I'm not bad at discussions, YOUR BAD AT DISCUSSIONS!! DAMN YOUR EYES AND EARS!!
jk