BTSX E1: GET OUT OF MY STATIONS - DEAN OF DOOM - S1E11

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  • Welcome to Dean of Doom, the show where we give grades to classic and contemporary Doom wads. Why? Because ranking things is fun. Today’s episode will be dedicated to Back to Saturn X Episode 1: Get Out Of My Stations. This first entry in a planned trilogy was released in 2012 to very positive community reception, and this year it was made available as an official add-on for Bethesda’s Doom Classic Unity port. The Back to Saturn X project was founded and is still led by Sarah Mancuso, also known as Esselfortium, who recruited some of the biggest names in Doom mapping to her cause. Seriously, it’s like a who’s who of the community. BTSX is known for its thoroughly overhauled texture set, distinctive palette, and by-design compatibility with vanilla Doom II, which makes some of the things they accomplish on screen even more impressive than they appear at first glance. The series also features some of the most memorable and quirky level titles you’ll see in Doom, which are all derived from songs and albums by the band Guided by Voices. I’d suggest you give them a look, but you come to me for Doom reviews, not music recommendations, so let’s get to it.
    Link to the wad:
    www.doomworld.com/idgames/lev...
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  • @esselfortium
    @esselfortium 3 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    Thanks for the review! I smiled when you picked up on the Stewboy influence on MAP31's music :)

    • @MtPain27
      @MtPain27  3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Hi esselfortium! Lovely to see you here, and thank you for all the work you do. I’m sure you hear this a lot, but I’m looking forward to BTSX Episode 3!

    • @danielja1832
      @danielja1832 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You designed a fantastic map pack. Just wanted to thank you for the amount of effort that was put into this WAD. Can't wait for episode 3

    • @barbariangamer6209
      @barbariangamer6209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you're a talented girl that's all i can say

    • @esselfortium
      @esselfortium ปีที่แล้ว +26

      ​@@kaczan3 i made all the textures, made a bunch of the maps, made a bunch of the music, organized the entire project, revised the other maps for compatibility and quality, yep, i didn't do anything. smh, women taking all the credit!

    • @rolftablet749
      @rolftablet749 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What about team fortress 3?

  • @mr.zurdwango5493
    @mr.zurdwango5493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    everyone asks when half life 3's coming out, but no one asks when btsx episode 3's coming out

    • @pannomic1818
      @pannomic1818 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      same energy

    • @eggboy9126
      @eggboy9126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Everyone on doomworld has been asking when btsx 3 is coming out

    • @audiosurfarchive
      @audiosurfarchive 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I certainly am

    • @maltsutty
      @maltsutty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eggboy9126 have they responded !?!? I’m dying for a episode 3

    • @seansullivan7928
      @seansullivan7928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ive been putting BTSX 3 LIVES!!! On every comment on Decinos channel for like the past 2.5 years

  • @pavera_
    @pavera_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Glad you liked my map! It was my first contribution to a big name project like this, and it really taught me a lot about my mapping style. Looking forward to more reviews from this channel for sure :)

    • @bazboo1284
      @bazboo1284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This comment needs more lovin' 😎

    • @georgelabauve3469
      @georgelabauve3469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry I am ignorant of your moniker, what's your author name and the map you contributed?

    • @georgelabauve3469
      @georgelabauve3469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Oh snap! You're Pavera! Total Exposure!! Haha oh ok lol sorry about that good sir

    • @expendableround6186
      @expendableround6186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Oh, hello Mr. Wright. I bet "Arrival" getting onto the Nerve Software Unity Port was music for your ears. ;)

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@georgelabauve3469
      Aw crud, Walker Wright is Pavera?! Nice!

  • @sanketower
    @sanketower 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    When even the TNT fan gets bored of tech bases, you know the WAD has some problems.
    Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the last 2 maps and the finale. Deffo a must-play.

  • @Gingy_Music
    @Gingy_Music 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    I love how whenever you say “gauntlet” you say “gantlet” like in doom 2

    • @blue17echo
      @blue17echo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      there is actually a fair amount of debate about the words gauntlet and gantlet-- though generally grammar/etymology people tend to assert that gantlet and gauntlet are mostly different terms that have slid together. a gantlet was originally a type of medieval punishment where one was forced to run back and forth between two lines of people hitting you with sticks-- which is not horribly out of place for the doom gantlet we all know and love, while a gauntlet is a type of armored glove. obvious spelling and pronunciation similarities outside, the two terms are also mixed due to the phrases "running the gantlet" and "throwing down the gauntlet" which are both used to refer to a challenge-- running the gauntlet from the perspective of the challenged, throwing from the perspective of the challenger. However it's also 2020, and no one actually runs gantlets or wears gauntlets, so it really doesn't matter all that much. Gauntlet is a generally accepted spelling for BOTH phrases. However, it is certainly incorrect to refer to an armored glove as a 'gantlet'.

    • @Gingy_Music
      @Gingy_Music 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@blue17echo huh. did not know that. Thanks for the info!

    • @blue17echo
      @blue17echo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Gingy_Music now the real question is-- did the id guys actually know that or was theirs an actual misspelling? i give it equal odds both ways.

    • @Mozicon
      @Mozicon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      His dedication to that joke makes me smile every time I hear it.

  • @emkajeej
    @emkajeej 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This WAD is officially part of the Doom2 2020 re-release, and this video inspired me to finally play it.
    I was so confused until I realised they changed the map titles tho!

  • @MtPain27
    @MtPain27  3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    To skip to the reviews: 1:53
    Eduardo Díaz nailed the pop quiz within the first two hours of this episode's release: congrats to him!
    Edit two years later, I don’t know why I put an accent instead of an umlaut in Bjorn Ostmann’s name. I feel very dumb.

    • @eduardodiaz9942
      @eduardodiaz9942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      1: Map 5
      2: Map 4
      3: Map 14
      4: Map 9 (I think)
      5: Map 2
      6: Map 11
      7: Map 12

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Professor... 📌

    • @victorskatnikov1639
      @victorskatnikov1639 ปีที่แล้ว

      i love the most this wad .. and by the ways btsx 2 has released a long ago and it is also very interesting, stylish and atmospheric wad :) well and i recommend you try spacestation wads ;)

    • @fecker1443
      @fecker1443 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s all good dean, no problem :D

  • @DukeOnkled
    @DukeOnkled ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If there's one thing this WAD consistently aced, it was the music. A treat for the ears.

  • @generalroasterock8114
    @generalroasterock8114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I always knew there was something about BTSX that was holding it back for me, and I think you finally painted it in the plainest way possible here: everything looks the same. While the maps are great, and the style is unique to the wad, everything bleeds together after the first half dozen maps. If you told me this was made by a singular person, I would believe you, and I don’t know if that’s the angular geometry, the muddy textures, or maybe a combination of the two. I understand how important this wad is to the development of the community, but I just can’t love it like everyone else does.
    Still, great analysis, your syntax in these videos is incredibly engaging.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You and Pain are not wrong at all, but I personally don't mind the uniform techbase look. For me, Plutonia's endless repetition of red and brown and red and brown are the real irritant.

    • @generalroasterock8114
      @generalroasterock8114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Very true, but with Plutonia you could tell where the episodes broke off through the way the architecture was, even if the colors were incredibly similar. With BTSX, not only is much of the coloring the same, but so are the buildings.
      Goddamn, this WAD has be defending Plutonia, that can’t be right.

    • @lordbiscuitthetossable5352
      @lordbiscuitthetossable5352 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The best tech bases for me usually have some identifiable function. Ep2 and episode 4 from evituturty are all example of techbases that are fairly distinct, with episodes 4’s brutalist architecture. The best, and for some the worst, monumental hydroplant/nuclear plant of Dehydration makes for memorable locations, even though the map is absolutely massive, feeling like I’m working through a mega structure is just satisfying.
      There’s more then a few maps that I struggled to connect with. Though it is hard to find variety in a 20 something wad that doesn’t have distinct episodes.

    • @korbacwystan9333
      @korbacwystan9333 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've just finished Map 12 now, and it was quite an ordeal. Other than that, I think the WAD is completely polished and sticks to its themes, and is by no means unfun to play. You're very much right about the "singular author" feel of the WAD. I'm looking forward to playing the rest of it when I get the chance. It kind of makes me think of what SLIGE would look like in 2030.

  • @doel9289
    @doel9289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    LMAO perfect description of the average BTSX map

  • @DeanmC261993
    @DeanmC261993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I love this show so much, reviewing wads from a grading system and trying to be objective is unique. I would love to see someone do this with mario world romhacks too.

  • @eggboy9126
    @eggboy9126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    This WAD manages to look better than 90% of everything posted on the doomworld forums or uploaded to idgames, and its all done in vanilla. So impressive, and a ton of fun from a gameplay perspective too. This is one of the big hitters for a reason. Its hard not to at least respect it. Can't wait for Episode 3, if the screenshots posted a while back are anything to go by, it'll have a lot more variety than e1 and e2.

    • @nathanbeets8229
      @nathanbeets8229 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are carrying on the legacy of amazing looking vanilla stuff with your squonker sets. Great stuff.

  • @eduardodiaz9942
    @eduardodiaz9942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    One of my all time favourites, this and ep 2. I've been waiting for ep 3 forever, let's hope it's released before we die of old age.

  • @ArshiaFarzamfar
    @ArshiaFarzamfar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Please please please please....
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    don't stop, your reviews on wads are actually really enjoyable, and I think given enough time you will get many subscribers and views.
    Job VERY well done sir. Your reviews help me select wads to play since I cannot go over the huge library of wads myself due to time limits.

  • @ashleywhite8888
    @ashleywhite8888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you're playing with the music the stages are named after, Some Drilling Implied is probably the most memorable level in the mapset.
    You start with 7 levels that, the more you progress, feel like every enemy is another sponge, another roadblock. The music reflects this, droning at you with repetition, unfitting calmness, and radio-distorted sound. ESPECIALLY in Radio Report, which defines the tone of these first few levels incredibly well for me, as you feel a sink into madness as it vaguely switches between songs in a way you have a hard time noticing and your ears get used to as it loops.
    Everything takes a stopping point at MAP08, the hub. You can take a breath, forget about the music, forget about the enemies
    With that said, the game putting you into a role of a hopeless man this station as you slip deeper and deeper into it, and giving you a breather, you'd expect it to throw you back in. You dread it.
    And then it throws you a *BANGING* rock song, and holds back on the spongy enemies letting you rip and tear through fodder and lower-health enemies that still give you a challenge.
    MAP09, to me, defines the second part of the tone of playing this mapset with this music. You are still Doomguy. And from that point onwards, it feels like it alternates between this demon-slaying and hopeless feeling, blending them together.
    And then I realized that's how Doom's meant to feel.
    BTSX, with the Guided By Voices music, nails the Doom feel in a way I haven't really seen anything else pull off.
    So with my oddly specific context, I give MAP09 an A.

  • @thestabbybrit4798
    @thestabbybrit4798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    As a console player, BTSX is a great addition. I find it a far more enjoyable experience than the Master Levels or Final Doom, but some of the ambushes are run-killers. Definitely has to be played with frequent saving the first few times.

    • @pelao8813
      @pelao8813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The master levels are crappy, but final doom is gold.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@pelao8813
      And BTSX is a barrel's worth of preserved saffron.

    • @pelao8813
      @pelao8813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DinnerForkTongue I downloaded it a week ago but haven't tried yet, I was busy with plutonia fast monsters from pistol start.

  • @theleafeon8020
    @theleafeon8020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    This... My first custom Mega wad I played a few months ago. It was such a memorable experience to the point I ... Jitter? At remembering some of the harsher fights during this video. Speaking of that, it was also my first magawad with a higher difficulty curve (haven't played plutonia before BTSX1) and after beating it I felt like I can tackle any wad if my computer can handle it. Though you were reasonably and understandably harsh on some of the levels, having more experience than me. As a "newcomer" I had a great time with most of the maps and had the feeling of satisfying fatigued after.
    But great video and hope you continue enjoying what you do.
    Favorite map being Bingo pool hall of blood and Tough skin River.

    • @AJXTHEWALL
      @AJXTHEWALL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      mine was literally mock 2

    • @samuelfreeman5483
      @samuelfreeman5483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AJXTHEWALL bruh

    • @AJXTHEWALL
      @AJXTHEWALL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@samuelfreeman5483 thats not a joke it was genuinely mock 2

    • @samuelfreeman5483
      @samuelfreeman5483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AJXTHEWALL I'm sorry to hear that lol. Mock 2 Speed of Stupid is definitely the best megawad name of all time. I have yet to play it. The Dean of Doom episode on it did make me spit out my drink a couple times though. Especially on Ejipt.

  • @darthdangermouse1453
    @darthdangermouse1453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    BTSX EP1 has to be my favourite megawad to play through, and though it can get samey, I love it regardless, I always spice it up with gameplay mods because that's really how I play classic doom nowadays, and when I find a new gameplay mod BTSX EP1 is usually my default option for trying them out.
    Can't wait to see what you think of EP2, I haven't played that one as often.

  • @Boneshunter13000
    @Boneshunter13000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    7:48 Oh, so that's the reason why i got that "i did this before..." feeling, i knew i wasn't crazy :D
    (Sadly, i don't remember the maps name since i completed this megawad months ago, but i can recognize all the parts you showed :/)
    Map 12 was a pain in the ass because it has my worst enemy in doom maps: UNNECESSARY BACKTRACKING

  • @soullos555
    @soullos555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just finished this wad today and it's one of my favorites. I did ruin that crazy fight in Tough Skin River. I didn't trigger the whole fight, just the cacodemons, and was wondering where everyone is, why can't I leave, that's it?? lol. The problem was I tiptoed to pick up the red key (I knew it was a trap so I was being cautious) and guess that didn't trip the trigger to spawn the demons in waves and it also didn't start lowering the wall to the exit. Eventually I ran over to where the red key was, stomping around that space and that did it. With the cacodemons all dead, I was left watching that wall lower. I was using my phone for a bit and was completely caught off guard when wave 2 finally loaded after a minute or so lol. When it worked, that fight was crazy. ;)

  • @timsavage4941
    @timsavage4941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    this is what I live for lmao

  • @pixelperfect1729
    @pixelperfect1729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alternate title for Bingo Pool Hall of Blood: City In The Clouds II

  • @southpakrules
    @southpakrules 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Map 32 (the hard way) is like a love letter to Go for it.

  • @MRDoom12
    @MRDoom12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It was a trick pop quiz. All maps were map 9 "Please Differentiate Me" 🤣

  • @DinnerForkTongue
    @DinnerForkTongue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Once again it's very hard to disagree with you, Professor. This was a pretty fair assessment of Episode 1, which is very impressive and memorable at the start but settles and gets a bit dull before snapping out of it and sharpening its edge again. Me, I love the heck out of good techbases but same as you, repetition and lack of versatility is not my favourite.
    The lore of Navigating Flood Regions is not time travel or dimensions or anything, it's a little more dull than that: during the fight before the teleporter, stuff explodes and ruins the base sections you passed by previously.
    Bingo Pool Hall of Blood felt more like a nod to continuous play than a true freak map. When you're fully geared up it feels awesome to tackle the entire demon contingent head on, with far less frantic running around. Very creative use of the sparse infernal textures in E1 too. It's not my favourite map but it gets an honorable mention.
    My personal valedictorian is, maybe to surprise of a few, map01. It takes an extraordinary wad start to stand with the rest of the mapset as a beautiful, cool and aggressive level, and Back to Saturn X Radio Report surpasses that bar with fireworks and confetti.

    • @MtPain27
      @MtPain27  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for your thoughts, and for the factoid about MAP 17, that makes a lot of sense. I agree, Back to Saturn X Radio Report is a phenomenal. It's the best megawad-in-a-nutshell map I can think of off the top of my head.

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    2 minutes ago? I stopped playing Doom just in time to watch some Doom! 😁

  • @goddesscarrie767
    @goddesscarrie767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    map 12 was one of my favorites of the pack 🥺 red key area was more outside and lava, blue key was short and contained, and yellow key area is a sprawling monolithic cave with bases interspersed. idk. i disagree with a lot of what you said but tis a good video. i respect it.

  • @baxterbunny4403
    @baxterbunny4403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    MtPain27 is back

  • @DiddlyDiPotatoes
    @DiddlyDiPotatoes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad I found this channel. Exactly the kind of content I didn't even think I needed.

  • @SkillIncarnate
    @SkillIncarnate 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is a fantastic way to get a list of quality doom wads. The grading system is a brilliant idea too. Youve earned my sub.

  • @OV3RK1LL3R65
    @OV3RK1LL3R65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. The other day I was thinking I'd love to see your take on BTSX and BAM here it is. Keep up the excellent work!

  • @MrMeh-hj2vw
    @MrMeh-hj2vw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    YES! THANK YOU SOO much for reviewing this. Absolutely loving this series, keep up the amazing reviews!

  • @uncledeath2246
    @uncledeath2246 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back to Saturn X is my all time favourite series of wads. Your review is fair and entertaining, and it fills me with joy to see you tackle it this way. Thank you.

  • @CarlRaven91
    @CarlRaven91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh yes, a wonderful wad and I absolutely love the music! I recently bought both episodes' music from James Paddock's Bandcamp page.

  • @zenammu
    @zenammu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wanted to thank you for highlighting the soundtrack in your videos. It is an often unappreciated aspect of games and I'm glad you give it the time it deserves.

  • @rhodiumvaledict3313
    @rhodiumvaledict3313 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video as always! I always watch these as soon as I get a notification regarding the channel!

  • @mokomothman5713
    @mokomothman5713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    BTSX was pretty much summarized after your review of Bingo Pool Hall of Blood: It doesn't take risks (With the exception being the aforementioned); On the whole, it does feel like a relatively 'safe' venture with level design and mechanics, atmospheric at times, maybe, but it indeed drags. That being said, it's a pretty good WAD.

  • @carlosflores4179
    @carlosflores4179 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude i am forever in love with this series! Keep it up!

  • @SleepingCocoon
    @SleepingCocoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Get Out Of My Stations is what finally got me to start working on my first Doom project. it showed me a melancholy that I hadn't seen portrayed in Doom which I tend to tap into in all my of other endeavours. really beautful stuff.

  • @adanraymond2100
    @adanraymond2100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really digging your reviews man. Keep up the good work!

  • @PS-cf9lc
    @PS-cf9lc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hell yeah. A new dean video!

  • @andersdenkend
    @andersdenkend 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    An amazing experience from start to finish. Awesome soundtrack, too!

  • @necrosteel5013
    @necrosteel5013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first megawad I actually pistol started fully. Its one of those all time classic. Map 12 is actually one of my favourites weirdly.

  • @sujithnair2784
    @sujithnair2784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:51 Ah yes.. the banger that made a certain other doomtuber dance mid-playthru. I'm so glad i found this awesome channel.

  • @peteyrose9666
    @peteyrose9666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So i commented on one of your other vids about console plebs not having access to mods being somewhat highly infuriating. Lo and behold i learned a few days ago i sounded like a flaming idiot cuz there are a few wads included with gamepass doom including BTSX 1/2, Plutonia (filled with dread about that one lol), and a few others including Doom Zero which i never heard of.
    Im currently getting my ass handed to me by hell beneath lol so i havent gotten that far. Great vids man much love!!!

  • @MasterDrew117
    @MasterDrew117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My fellow Doom Dude, that Hub Level music has got to be the most unique ever and quite ASMR inducing. Yes, I actually do often have that track precede guided ASMR meditations involving train travels. Love watching these videos from you too, amazing stuff and can’t wait to see you review Thy Flesh Consumed

  • @basspon3_official
    @basspon3_official 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think aside from Eviternity and TNT:Revilution, BTSX 1 was one of the first community WADs I played all the way through and I bloody love it!

  • @bazboo1284
    @bazboo1284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sweet, been waiting for this one 😎

  • @seansullivan7928
    @seansullivan7928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tough Skin River: I actually came to tears after these damn wad it has a emotional attachment to me that I live more than any damn wad ever made

  • @Bozzyshy
    @Bozzyshy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favourite WAD of all time, dont know if i'll ever find anything i enjoy more, Eviternity comes close but this is the map set i go back to time and time again.

  • @songokulul
    @songokulul 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first time I got to Map 08 I kicked back and relaxed for awhile. Probably sat there for an hour.

  • @GameGalaxyshow
    @GameGalaxyshow 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude I'm loving this show your doing. I was thinking to do something similar but didn't commit. Keep going. Love it!

  • @nessiewqt5445
    @nessiewqt5445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always
    Also I think that Strange Aeons would make a nice halloween episode

  • @seansullivan7928
    @seansullivan7928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    BTSX 1 AND 2 ARE THE GREATEST WADS EVER. hard as nails and gives an extreme gratification of achievement when finished

  • @seansullivan7928
    @seansullivan7928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DooM BTSX is the best DooM wad ever made, Tough as nails but very fair, music is absolutely fantastic, the sense of isolation with impending death around every corner is so spot on. I started getting teary eyed when I got on that ship and the game ended.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The ending is extremely memorable, I agree, but nah, BTSX has so far not been able to beat Sunlust. The sheer acuity of Sunlust's design is practically unmatched even today.

    • @seansullivan7928
      @seansullivan7928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DinnerForkTongue I haven't played sunlust yet, it's on my list. Right now I've been playing project brutality PLUTONIA.
      I like it man it's fun, you got to put that on hard as nails mode cause it's easier with all the different guns. I'll tell you what I hate that God damn DooM Eternal not just cause it's new it's just not a very good game

  • @Tom-jc3yi
    @Tom-jc3yi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love btsx 1 a 2. I play for 3 years on zandronum with my friend. the levels the midis is amazing. Esselfortium did good on btsx 1 a 2 with the btsx team I hope to see btsx 3

  • @theopenrift
    @theopenrift 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Map06 will always stand out to me as my absolute favorite map. Especially with that MUSIC. It's honestly the best track in the WAD imo

  • @1984gama
    @1984gama 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me, It has been one of the best Doom old school WADs ever played... It gets even better with an enemies wad mod...

  • @J0000OOOO
    @J0000OOOO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still haven't played Back to Saturn X, so I had no idea that it used Guided By Voices titles as its map names (although I guess I should have put two and two together on the inspiration since Back to Saturn X Radio Report is one of their songs). I adore that, GBV are an amazing band.

  • @kakhome1
    @kakhome1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:24 It's not BTSX related but I'd highly recommend giving Pavera's more recent wad 'Arrival' a spin; there's more explosive action to be had here a la that ending fight.

  • @Skronkidonk
    @Skronkidonk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will always remember decinos little dance to map03s song. =) love the vid

  • @led_spirals6748
    @led_spirals6748 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope they release episode 3 soon, a perfect trilogy for a perfect wad. BTSX is one of my favorite wads

  • @RMD00
    @RMD00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One thing I crossed off on my bucket list, make sure my children keep asking "When's Back to Saturn X Episode: 3, Sarah!?"

  • @nathansyoutubeaccount
    @nathansyoutubeaccount 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn A-, after listening to you shred the middle section I was expecting something in the B range, maybe even lower.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's consistently good, is his point. Perhaps a little too consistent.

  • @Makedounia1
    @Makedounia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this wad a lot but a lot of it just blends together just like you said. Map 32 is my favorite as well

  • @aaronberger9377
    @aaronberger9377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review! Yeah, I’ve definitely felt the techbase fatigue playing through this, too. Thankfully, E2 has a nice mix of landscapes throughout, though I’d hold off on playing that one until they push out a new version past 1.0.1 (there are some bugs where monsters don’t teleport in).
    One thing I noticed in your video which I’ve also seen playing in GZDoom: the default inverted color map is used for the invulnerability filter, but there is a custom one they included which is seen playing in PrBoom+ which uses the same powder blue used for the plasma gun when it’s fired. Not sure why that got overlooked.

  • @kingdomkey2397
    @kingdomkey2397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love your reviews. Saturn X is one of my faves.
    My only gripe is the music is a bit too loud. There are moments when I can't even hear you cuz of music is blasting, and I'm always eager to hear what you say next.
    Great review! Keep it up!

  • @enderjora
    @enderjora 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am currently playing through this map with the Embers of Armegedonn: Eternal mod, and it is a blast.

  • @jasonmarcus6940
    @jasonmarcus6940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah yes the legendary BTSX... it was this mapset as well as Ancient Aliens that got me back into playing Doom several years ago after a long absence. And you may not do partial wad reviews however I would LOVE to see you tackle Sunder and give your thoughts even though it is still a work in progress...it’s the first mapset that really forced me to “git gud” and rethink how I played Doom and I hope that Mr. Gazebo eventually finishes it.

  • @SinCity2100
    @SinCity2100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well I stopped mapping in Doom to watch someone reviewing Doom

  • @Rymante
    @Rymante 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strange, I thought I would've left a comment on the BTSX E1 video already but I guess not!
    I played through this over a year ago at this point, it was one of the first wads I downloaded, I was very impressed with what I had seen in decino's playthrough & discovering that this beautifully designed mapset can be played with the original v1.9 DOS executable kinda blew my mind.
    Overall, I did greatly enjoy BTSX E1, enough to mark it as a personal favourite. But like you, I did come down with cases of "Tech Base Fatigue" through out & ended up taking several breaks before I eventually finished it.
    I do LOVE the soundtrack though, absolutely incredible work there. If I had to pick a personal favourite piece it would have to be "Womp" by esselfortium, the track that plays on Map 22 "Gonna Never Have to Die"
    I've also played through Episode 2 (which I hope gets a look from the Dean of Doom one day) and am very excited for Episode 3 whenever it arrives.

  • @wishiwascooler
    @wishiwascooler ปีที่แล้ว

    Just watching this video again after a couple years and I saw Brett Harrell's name and thought the level seemed kind of familiar in a way.... and then I just realized that he is also apart of the Supplice team (Mekworx) along with Sarah and Jimmy. That game is so much fun so far and I can't wait to see more of it in the near future.

  • @basiloregano
    @basiloregano 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are one of my favorite reviewers of all time! Keep up the good work! I'm curious if you'll do like a qna at some point.

    • @MtPain27
      @MtPain27  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If there’s enough public interest then sure, but I wouldn’t presume to think I’m interesting :)

  • @pixelperfect1729
    @pixelperfect1729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honor Roll:
    Map 01: Back to Saturn X Radio Report
    Map 03: The Room Taking Shape
    Map 05: Total Exposure
    Map 07: Metal Mothers
    Map 08: Get Out of My Stations I
    Map 31: Optical Hopscotch
    Map 16: Get Out of My Stations II
    Map 17: Navigating Flood Regions
    Map 18: Cyclone Utilities (Remember Your Birthday)
    Map 20: U.S. Mustard Company
    Map 22: Gonna Never Have to Die
    Map 23: Get Out of My Stations III

    • @MtPain27
      @MtPain27  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you want to call it that, sure

  • @nangsanbhalangblah333
    @nangsanbhalangblah333 ปีที่แล้ว

    thx for verbalizing the lull I felt in the middle third of the wad, it just felt so meh. Like eating cold pizza, still tastes good but it could be better. I also played it with the btsx weapon set from final doomer and I realised how fast doomguy normally is. The speed choke really made some fights harder than they should be. great review overall

  • @johnarmstrong5533
    @johnarmstrong5533 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't finish BTSX Episode 1. It was undeniably beautiful and polished, but I wasn't having any fun. However, when I returned to it later and pistol started a few levels, I did come to appreciate the epic, sprawling adventure of MAP12 and the quick, vicious city battle of MAP19. Finally nailing saveless runs on those two maps - that remains the highlight of the WAD for me even if I could take or leave the rest.
    Looking forward to the eventual Dean of Doom video on Episode 2 - it's probably my favorite megawad, and it deserves just as much attention (or more) as the project's debut.

  • @NiGHTS108_
    @NiGHTS108_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly that A- final grade cut like a knife even though I completely agree with you

  • @t3hPoundcake
    @t3hPoundcake 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh I also gotta say, anyone who hasn't seen Decino do the BTSX E.1 playthrough on UV+ you gotta watch him do Tough Skin River. It's a crazy fight.

  • @xxxvertigoxxx
    @xxxvertigoxxx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video as always! Feels like it's time for episode 2, no?

  • @lhfirex
    @lhfirex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not gonna lie, I missed the intro so you mighta said this already, but IIRC Back to Saturn X is an album by some band, and all the level names are songs by the same band. edit: yeah I should just expand the description next time, lol. Ah well, another great review of the WAD as a whole and I feel similarly about how repetitive it can get, which is why I burn out on it kinda early.

  • @DiamantisGR
    @DiamantisGR 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I think of BTSX ep 1 I always think of map 15. For me it represents a very high standard in techbase level design.

  • @sw97058
    @sw97058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You did BTSX!

    • @briannettles6202
      @briannettles6202 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes he did😊💝

    • @briannettles6202
      @briannettles6202 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes he did😊💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝

  • @SentyPurr
    @SentyPurr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel Episode 2 has a lot more variety than Episode 1, and in exchange for that, E2 is made to bust my balls.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm still sour at Cibulas for map22.

  • @falsefive7352
    @falsefive7352 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good day MtPain,
    Okay, so I'm trying this wad out. I'm not good when it comes to playing non-commercial releases (I don't do like, one off levels and stuff like that, for whatever reason), and I'm trying to play with your lenses of understanding difficulty, complexity, and overall enjoyment of each level. I'm not pistol starting, because I am more of an 'experience it in my comfort' over challenge, but I really like these maps.
    So far I'm only on Map06, but I really loved 04 and 05, kudos to those map makers.
    With all of this thinking, I've now got a Doom Builder tutorial on screen 2, and with any luck, my ADHD will let me make a map!
    Thanks yo!

  • @renemc8902
    @renemc8902 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best doom wad reviews channel ever. Would love to see a Community chest (2, 3 & 4) review and a Z pack review, of course

    • @expendableround6186
      @expendableround6186 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's wrong with CC1?

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@expendableround6186
      It is like Community Chest 2 as reviewed in Dean of Doom, except worse. The quality bar is lower, levels are more primitive, some have INSANELY annoying gimmicks, and there is absolutely no standout like The Mucus Flow or Elixir. Hell, you start the megawad on a cramped techbase where you only have the pistol and berserk-less fists.
      Seriously, if you wanna play a community project actually worth the time, iust play Nova.

  • @blue17echo
    @blue17echo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never really "got" BTSX. It's a really fun wad, but I think you nailed it on the head with the gorgeous custom palette resulting in levels blurring together. There's just so much techbase fatigue in this wad, and I tend to find techbases boring to begin with. It's still an incredible set of levels, but I just can't rank it with Eviternity or Ancient Aliens or even Valiant really.
    I do adore the map names though. And I love the intermission maps, they do an incredible job of conveying a place.
    I'm not even going to try your challenge though good grief.
    I should probably give BTSX a replay again, but I always fall off on the middle maps. Maybe I'll skip MAP09-15 this time, since I've finally converted from being a continuous play heathen to a pistol start devotee!
    Incidentally, I wonder if it might be fun to give us the next wad you're planning to cover at the end of your videos-- I'd love to see these videos with the maps more fresh in my mind-- it's been probably 2 years since I last mashed through BTSX, and especially here the wad's very tight theming means that there are just not a ton of moments that jump out in my memory (the last setpiece is basically the only one that really really pops out at me.)
    I think I agree with your assessment at an A-. It's a pretty prototypically A-, technically excellent in nearly every respect, but missing the joy and spark to earn a proper A. There are few wads that are as consistent as BTSX, but many that reach higher highs.

  • @seejay9467
    @seejay9467 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make more of these more often plez? Yeah i know editing and playing consume alot of time but wish you could do it a little bit more once a week, also btsx is hands down one of the best wads I've ever seen and played (I'm crazy about music as u r, i just open the ost to listen while doing my things ;) )

  • @Mason1729
    @Mason1729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do wish there were a couple more City-like maps like E1M19, to vary things up a bit. But considering it wasnt until a later 2013 version of the beta that it was added in, it was probably too late to have more than the one.

  • @lanereynolds4567
    @lanereynolds4567 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wanted to play along with that pop quiz, but I don't know the original map names, as I played it on the switch, as it's part of the free "expansions" on there, but btsx's names were all changed... not that they make any more sense, but still, I feel it would be cheating to go and wiki those level names. Still, glad to see someone doing BTSX, and I hope you keep doing good work.

  • @barbariangamer6209
    @barbariangamer6209 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i like this wad just for the music

  • @dungbass3345
    @dungbass3345 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    22:05 "With the help of Jimmy Paddock's incredible MIDI, victory is *within reach*."
    Song Name : Within Reach
    Pun intended?

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is Mount Pun 27, why do you even ask?

  • @kingkuma4112
    @kingkuma4112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Still hoping for that review of The Japanese Community Project! Its probably my favorite all time custom WAD, mainly due to every map feeling unique due to every map having a different author.

    • @MtPain27
      @MtPain27  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm playing through that one right now, and I love it. Can't wait to review it.

    • @kingkuma4112
      @kingkuma4112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MtPain27 Glad you like it!

    • @tjg121389
      @tjg121389 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's one of my favs as well. Map 29 is so cool, looking like there's a dimensional rift in it with all the different styles of level design thrown in together.

  • @UnicornstalkRGaming
    @UnicornstalkRGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saturn, my 6th favorite planet.

  • @sunvieightmaster88
    @sunvieightmaster88 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me it's awesome so it gets
    A+

  • @ruludos1977
    @ruludos1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the james paddock midi mentioned at 11:10 is Liquid Luck for anyone looking for it themselves

  • @saanon9334
    @saanon9334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's the first WAD I downloaded. It will remain my favourite. I think Eviturinty is better but I really love the train stations and the music fats was also a really great ending.

  • @MarcusTheBonedusterWarnes
    @MarcusTheBonedusterWarnes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im playing the ps4 version of the unity port where the map names are changed. I stopped playing this wad at map 19 which for some stupid reason mentions Christmas in it's map name. I used up most of my ammo killing the first group of monsters that start in the level. Then rage quit after dying to the 2nd wave of monsters after pressing a switch up a lift to the side. That was such bullshit having loads more Archviles spawn in resurrecting everything but not giving me more ammo.

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    17:38 - I heard what you did there 😉

  • @lastplayer5684
    @lastplayer5684 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video 💙💙🌿
    I just subscribed ☺
    I have seen it :D
    When you upload the EPISODE 2 i will wach it 😄🌿

  • @pixelperfect1729
    @pixelperfect1729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m surprised you didn’t spotlight the MIDI in the first level.