You know, for a minute there I thought we had something special going on. You post the timestamp, we remind you to pin it, hilarity ensues. But that wasn't good enough for you, was it? You just had to prove you could do it without us. Well, congrats, you did it. All you had to do was give up on our special little thing. Hope it was worth it
I dunno, I always enjoyed the Map30 in this one but I suppose that's the speedrunner in me. I had the UV-Max record for like, 17 years? I personally enjoyed a good portion of the last 1/3rd of HR and appreciated Map27 Cyberpunk for doing something unique. Map29's dark secret is imo one of the worst things in the Megawad. Map23 is one of the hardest maps for sure but I *really* didn't enjoy it and the Arch-Vile ending absolutely makes me hate it. Afterlife is definitely the showstopper map. Map13 is great for the opening adrenaline rush (I rush for the SSG and center). Map16 is one that I personally think is toward the top of the wad and I find myself coming back to it more often than not. As someone who submitted to the Compet-N back in the early 2000s, Hell Revealed is, imo, one of the most important megawads that has ever come out. Sure, it isn't as detailed as things that came out around that time, such as Requiem, Memento Mori, Memento Mori 2, among others, but it's placement in Doom is pivotal. It was that rush that we needed for players that had already conquered the hardest stuff like Plutonia that had come out during the time. The concepts back then were fresh, original, vastly more challenging, and pushed things to the edge that we needed. Megawads were more focused on exploration over difficulty, for the most part, so this was sorely needed at the time of release. Despite it not holding up both aesthetically and plays like a bowl of slushed molasses, it's legacy is instrumental to future releases such as Alien Vendetta and Hell Revealed 2, which together I feel pushed slaughter style maps to strive for greater heights, harder difficulties, more clever combat, and better overall quality. I dare say without HR that there's a chance difficult slaughter *might* not be where it is today, or at least the landscape would look vastly different than it does today. One pivotal note here that I'd like to point out. Yonatan Donner and Haggay Niv were between ages 14 and 16 when they released this. That's impressive, in my opinion, given the technological differences going on when this was released in map creation compared to today. Personally, I think this is the single most important Megawad released, regardless if you think it's great, nostalgic, grindy, memetic, or not at all fun. Dean really nailed it all here and this is a perfect encapsulation of everything this wad did good and bad.
You know it’s rough when at 19:59 you see him running from an Archvile, entering a room full of enemies and after weighing his chances realizing the Archvile is probably his better option
"Don't try to beat the level until you've already played the level" is the best advice I've ever heard on beating hard Doom wads. I learned it quickly and painfully. Don't be afraid to drop a few difficulty levels, sometimes it is the only way to avoid days of rage and confusion.
ROTT itself isn't exactly a pillar of human kindness and fairness to the player, but that smooth, easy-to-listen-to jazzy soundtrack _almost_ makes me want to subject myself to maybe an episode of its utter BS.
I've been trying to get Civvie to agree to TNT:E when he hits 300k subscribers since he did a bunch of other games he dislikes at previous milestones. It's only fair.
Hell Revealed is an interesting one to discuss, because its legacy to the slaughtermap concept is definitely one that still shows in Doom wads even to this day. And part of that legacy is also a bit of a roadmap for what not to do with these kinds of maps. Everyone starts somewhere, right? A lot of things in Hell Revealed don't work, but at this point, they kinda needed not to so the way would be paved for improvements. And hey, I'd say when it works, it really works! Afterlife I think is the best example of what Hell Revealed can pull off, but I do like City in the Clouds a lot, even though it definitely could do with less sadism. The concept of having to dance around fire while hunting down each weapon, and then dealing with a challenge to preserve each weapon, is one I really like, it's just... well, as you say, Hell Revealed is just not subtle. It's like the Roman Bacchanalia in Doom form, all about the excess. I do apologize for voting to put you through this, though, but as I said in the poll, TNT Revilution is just the perfect landmark episode kind of WAD, so I stick by it. But hey, better to do it now than to dread it later right?
i just realised that main creator of this WAD is also one of the most important people to start "speedrunning" culture, Donner is one of the guys behind OG Quake Done Quick O_O
him, adds the baron counter for "no reason" people who have played the wad - 😮 Seriously though, you are really improving your content, watching this makes your alien vendetta episode a joke! I still love it tho. Don't stop making amazing content, and thank you for all the amazing content. :)
Sunlust would be great, in all possible aspects. It's hard and gets ludicrous at times, but with the sheer quality in all fronts - ESPECIALLY the game design -, you can't stay mad at it.
Yay, a new MtPain27 video, and on one of the all-time classics. That text file "storyline" for HR is hilarious by the way, can't believe I've never looked at it in all this time. EDIT: I loved the "ok Doomer" classroom bit! Also I just HAD to edit this to express my empathy for the battle at 9:27.. Brought back some old suppressed memories right there..
Either good or bad, Hell Revealed is one of the most memorable classic megawads. But I must say that the chaingunner trap from MAP23 was definitely unacceptable, during my first playthrough.
5:59 "Imagine a shooting game that says 'Hey, for this level, you're not allowed to use guns." OG Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six. I rest my case. (For those who don't know, TCR6 1, 2, and 3 each have stealth levels where killing anyone or getting spotted is instant failure.)
"Underground Base on UV is where most sane people will close the game and get on with their lives." Yup, can confirm. That's the last HR map I played. I kinda liked the first five or so maps but then it became a savescumming grindfest. I pushed on for a bit but finally gave up after completing this map. If I ever play Russian Overkill, I might try a slaughtermap again but otherwise, this kind of gameplay is just nope. My personal threshold for difficulty lies somewhere around Plutonia.
So I wasted some of my time by adding all the barons from the baron count into a sort of cumulative total baron count. Also I did not read all the comments before me to make sure someone didn't beat me to making the cumulative baron count. Yes I am aware that the video has a total baron count at the end; I still wanted to watch the numbers progressively go up like it's a stat in some RPG. MAP01: 0 MAP02: 0 (+0) MAP03: 0 (+0) MAP04: 1 (+1) MAP05: 4 (+3) MAP06: 12 (+8) MAP07: 12 (+0) MAP08: 15 (+3) MAP09: 19 (+4) MAP10: 25 (+6) MAP11: 46 (+21) MAP12: 57 (+11) MAP13: 76 (+19) MAP14: 86 (+10) MAP15: 118 (+32) MAP31: 133 (+15) MAP32: 150 (+16) MAP16: 194 (+45) MAP17: 232 (+38) MAP18: 292 (+60) MAP19: 296 (+4) MAP20: 324 (+28) MAP21: 336 (+12) MAP22: 379 (+43) MAP23: 423 (+44) MAP24: 464 (+41) MAP25: 470 (+6) MAP26: 489 (+19) MAP27: 505 (+16) MAP28: 560 (+55) MAP29: 586 (+26) MAP30: 592 (+6) So... Do I get extra credit for this?
Yeah-Hell Revealed II came highly recommended, and I wanted to do my homework and play the first one first. I remember this being absolute pain. Thank you for confirming my bias👍🏻
Drat, almost forgot to comment on this one. I completely agree that Hell Revealed doesn't hold up so well nowadays, but I can understand why some gravitate towards it. It's like a grindhouse film, low on substance with ugly production values, but it nonetheless manages to tap into a base instinct that brings out the bloodlust in some people. And yet Afterlife manages to stand out like The Seventh Seal nestled between The Last House on the Left and Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! You never quite know what you're going to get when exploring nineties wads. Also, at the risk of stoking fires, I'd love to hear a Dean's Digression on the subject of slaughtermaps. I'm personally not a fan of them, but I concede that they can be fun if they feel like they want you to win but earn your victory (like Floating Arena in Ancient Aliens), instead of just wanting to crush you into pulp (like the back half of HR here). They continue to be a somewhat tricky topic to analyze in the Doom field, but I'd like to know what you specifically think about them! And as always, keep up the great work, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you've picked for the season finale.
HR and other old wads are more of a rite of passage than a true worthwhile experience. It lets newcomers understand how far we've come as a community, and where certain quirks of design come from. Also it's not the master levels.
This video was a bit weird t h. With all the "Unproffessional behavior". Cameos from new characters and different bits than usual. I think it was quite a treat.
Had to work in the office on a Saturday. Thought it'd be grim until I saw this pop up! Your videos are a delight and brighten my day up. Thank you for doing what you do
Hell Revealed always felt like the root from which most of early DOOM fan mapping originated from, sort of like a grandfather, maybe this is just the (G)Zoomer Doomer in me talking. Sorry for the vote Mtpain27, we shouldnt't have put you through this
I don't think he wants us to feel remorse about it or anything. I'm sure this isn't the last megawad that will get dunked on in this show, and that's fine.
4:10 "Face Fulls of Flak to every Four-legged Freak you meet". I'm surprised the commenters let this go unnoticed. Gotta admire your writing skills, that was pretty good.
This makes me so happy ;u; Also, is not a wad really, but do you think you could review doom 64? Is my favorite classic doom game, and i think it needs more recognition!
I have a weird soft spot for Hell Revealed in general, it’s still tedious, ugly and strange but I wish Donner and Niv stuck around because I sense potential Maybe they’ll return some day, I can dream 🥲
Hell Revealed also made part of my "DOOM MegaWAD Starter Pack" like the other classics I mentioned in the Requiem video, and to me it's also another MegaWAD that left an impression on me, in special Map 26, which might be the only saving grace from this WAD. Man, what a gorgeous and strange map. I think this was the one map that made me fall in love with DOOM and keep playing it ever since. I admit that this MegaWAD is much more appropiate as a piece of DOOM history than something you keep coming back to play on an endless loop like Nostalgia 2 but it's worth at least one gameplay, even with cheats enabled and/or mods like Guncaster and Russian Overkill to even the odds.
For the most recognized wads of the 90s to be as obtuse and rectangular as they were, it really says a lot about the tools of the time. Editors like DeePSea are laughable nowadays in comparison to Ultimate Doom Builder and the like. We've gotten much better mappers, but they wouldn't have graced us anywhere near as much without the application getting better too, and I'm glad they did. I always thought this WAD was pretty ugly, and I think it mostly has to do with that sky. It's just a bunch of strange reds and pinks strewn together in a strange mold pattern. It makes the environments that are supposed to be on Earth feel like some strange Baron colored dimension. It's almost just as fun watching you tear apart horrible WADs, and it's crazy seeing this as the lowest grade on the show yet, but I would definitely hope that the season closes out with some quality.
Hell Revealed was one of the first Doom fanmade megawads I've played along with Memento Mori. I started playing Doom back in 1997 when I was only 10 and got Final Doom later in 1998. However, I didn't play other custom wads and megawads until around 2003 and 2004, so at that time, I downloaded Hell Revealed when I first heard how it's as difficult if not more than Plutonia, and I was bowled over at how tough the game is. Despite that, and some frustrating aspects like groups of barons, I find it quite an enjoyable megawad, especially after playing through Plutonia many times, which I thought was grueling and punishing first time playing until I got the hang and know how of taking on the levels. My advise to anything thinking of Hell Revealed a go, don't go straight for Ultra-Violence. Instead go for I'm Too Young To Die or Hey Not Too Rough as both difficulties feel like Doom 2 on Ultra-Violence in terms of gameplay. You can also take on Hurt Me Plenty if you feel up for it as it delivers a stiff challenging while at the same time being fair and not too overwhelming. Ultra-Violence, yeah, only take on that difficulty if you really are a Doom god, but otherwise, stick with the lower difficulties. I do the same thing with Plutonia as I find Ultra-Violence on that wad too much for me. Hell Revealed holds a special place in my heart, especially with the Rise of the Triad music played in most of the maps as I'm a huge fan of the game and Apogee, and it gets me pumped up for the carnage that awaits. In terms of gameplay, Hell Revealed is by no means a slaughtermap-based megawad as there's only like a handful of maps that would qualify as such, and while it has a higher body count than Plutonia, for the most part when you're facing huge waves of enemies, they're in wide open areas, and the terrain is accordingly designed so that you can use them as cover to your advantage, whereas in Plutonia, in spite of having not as many monsters, the gameplay is more chaotic and brutal due to facing them, including the abundance of heavyweight monsters in compact and usually cramped areas that it makes you feel as if you're facing a large wave of them, and due to the way the levels are designed, you have no other choice but to fight them with what you've got. So if anything, Hell Revealed gives you a bit more leeway on fighting the enemies in many of the levels, which makes it equally as hard as Plutonia and Scythe. With more modern wads that takes fighting heavyweight enemies to ridiculous heights, Hell Revealed is a cakewalk in comparison, and its successors Alien Vendetta, the sequel, and Kama Sutra offer much tougher challenges than it ever could.
Great review that highlights most of the wad’s qualities and flaws. That being said, while I appreciate HR’s contributions to the mapping scene (with map 24 in particular being a very influential level on its own, directly inspiring stuff like Alien Vendetta’s Dark Dome), it’s not really a wad I would reccomended to newcomers to the Doom community. Because even if they did not mind the high level of difficulty, I frankly doubt they would tolerate the overly simplistic and blocky level architecture, the poorly placed monster blocking lines, or the awkwardly placed walls of meat that serve absolutely no purpose besides grinding the pacing of the level to a halt (with map 23’s Archvile room and map 20’s Mancubus room being the absolute worst offenders). And while Donner and Niv never mapped again, I would argue Kama Sutra is the closest thing to a proper spiritual sucessor HR ever got. Except the former actually had the benefit of being designed at a time where most of the Doom community was far more experienced and had already figured out what worked and what didn’t in slaughtermaps (as seen in great wads such as Scythe and Alien Vendetta). Too bad most people nowadays only remember it for its memetic end boss, heh...
ah yes, Hell Revealed, the MegaWad that made 2003 me realize just how easy I considerably had it with the plutonia experiment. Also, P̶r̶o̶ Master Levels for Doom 2 when MtPain27?
Man, each episode keeps getting better and better. The writing, delivery and editing is absolutely supurb. Keep up the good work Dean, absolutely loving this show!
Hell Revealed is one of my favorite megawads. The bad parts are awful yes, but the good parts are some of my absolute favorites of everything I've played. Though in fairness, I feel like the designers were designing for continuous, not pistol start, and a lot of the maps lower in quality when you do pistol start.
I always wanted to play this WAD but I always had a feeling that it would be archaic and a pain to go through. Watching this episode only proved I was right. Great watch
Should play it again, for 1997 it’s great WAD, but when I played it I thought it’s easy, but WAD said *NO*. Could you rank please Quake and Wolfienstein maps please, it would be great.
Just wanted to say, your series is a Godsend. While I love the various discussion videos on this platform regarding Doom and its impressive missing community, I always wanted to see a video series dedicated to the extensive fan map packs that litter history's ruins, heh. Plus, your showcasing of the soundtracks available convinced me to stop listening to technical brutal death metal during my Doom playthroughs and instead listen to the wonderful MIDI songs these good people spent so long developing! I thought Eviternity's Dehydration would have dragged, but it's music made getting lost repeatedly worth it, heh. Either way, keep it up! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on so many map packs! You, Civvie, Icarus, Aquarius, decino, and all others keeping the spirit of DOOM alive -- you guys rock like hell! \m/
It's funny how after almost 30 years, Rise of the Triad's greatest contribution to gaming is still in its music, which was awesome. I remember as a kid making WADs in the mid 90s, and getting RotT as a gift. Moreso than actually playing the game, I was excited that the game's music was just in a folder on the CD, a collection of MIDI files waiting to be used for Doom WADs. RADAGIO was my favorite; I thought it made for good boss battle music.
Started playing this WAD recently despite being turned off by Slaughter wads years ago. The first 10 maps so far have been fun. As soon who has played a number of 90s WADs, Barons used to get a lot more love in the early days of Doom map making. The Memento Mori series and Requiem loved Barons. I can't imagine pistol starting this entire WAD. Shotgunning Barons brings back memories of playing Doom 1 for years and finishing them slowly with that.
Hell Revealed was created by speedrunners and needs to be approached with a speedrunning mentality: playing the levels blind with saves is pretty much the most miserable way to approach the WAD. Instead you need to learn the maps and try different routes, until you develop a strategy for systematically dismantling them. This is especially true for map14 and map24 (two of the best maps in the set).
One concrete example: in your video you go into map13's blue key room with 101 health and 0 armor. But the level has a soul sphere and blue armor. Also, you slowly chip away at the chaingunners and revenants with the SSG instead of quickly blowing them up with rockets... with better routing you can easily survive the blue key cage with no RNG needed at all.
Great video, had some laughs while watching this. HR is a mod I could never get into. Slaughter maps in general I find to be boring when you can just run around spamming the BFG. I think there's a difference between insanely difficult ones like this and something like Alien Vendetta which is well designed around skill.
Loved the review, incredibly enjoyable. I appreciate what HR has done for the Doom Community, but I'm also somewhat glad to not be the only person with the view that it was mostly just grindy.
I've considered playing Hell Revealed as I hadn't seen it and it was known for its legacy for larger-scale fights...but after watching this video I've changed my mind. XD Sunlust may be hard as balls and frustrated me all the way through, but it was almost never boring or a slog like this. The architecture and clever fights are what kept me going.
Thanks once again Dean. Would've never tried this one out if not your video. After Alien Vendetta I felt up to the challenge, and was surprised to find Hell Revealed's not THAT much harder than AV. Only a few levels gave me excessive trouble. Then again, I wasn't going for 100% kills, but I did play UV saveless. Overall I agree that a lot of the maps are dated and kinda bad, but the feeling of accomplishment was worth it, and there were a few diamonds in the rough (maps 32 and 22 especially). Many of them were fairly harmless, especially the first ten maps and the last 5 or so... except map 30 >_< Map 16 is indeed terrible, I agree.
I had my fun with HR once upon a time, and agree few of the maps aged well... BUT I think solo play was more of a joke for this set, and co-op was the intended experience (essentially anyone downloading this in the 90's was a multiplayer addict). Also the only ones who were pistol starting were compet-n participants, or sadists who already played the set to death... you really doubled down on self inflicted punishment with the pistol starts
Possibly my all time favorite, next to Hellbound. This one sees constant play for me, as the ability to quickly dive in well over one's head is rapturous in Vanilla, mods like Complex Clusterfuck or Project Brutality make this into a distinctly "modern" flavor that I honestly believe some alternative dimension John and John made. Doom as it would have been had it been now. It all culminates in an immense sense of skill and power when you can finally rush a room filled to the gills with demonic dangers, and smoothly unleash a scene of violence so complete it often gives pause in appreciation. God damn I love the Doom mapping community
5:55 Alright class, Substitute Steve is here: The word is "VERSIMILITUDE." The game does not have to be "realistic" to have certain core tenants that achieve immersion and verisimilitude. This is what you get when a good movie, story, or game, has you completely bought in.
i have been playing hell revealed in the easiest diff setting (Im too young to die) and honestly, on easier difficulties the wad becomes actually quite enjoyable, although later levels do get slaughter-ry but it never gets as devilish as it does on the higher settings. except for random cyberdemon traps
Got a few things to say. First of all great work on this episode I really enjoyed it. Second is that I'm hyped for the final episode of the season and third is that you can't escape MOCK 2:SPEED OF STUPID Mtpain
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To skip right to the reviews: 1:53. Link to the megawad is in the description.
You know, for a minute there I thought we had something special going on. You post the timestamp, we remind you to pin it, hilarity ensues. But that wasn't good enough for you, was it? You just had to prove you could do it without us. Well, congrats, you did it. All you had to do was give up on our special little thing. Hope it was worth it
@@durdleburdle3521 goddamn bro did u get dumped
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism
We all were.
Care to explain??
When a megawad is so frustrating that Dean of Doom needs to invent a new character just to rant, you know it's a tough challenge.
I wonder what would the master levels be like?
I really want more of those Delinquent bits so badly they are so fun to watch
@@Dan-bz2nh
Watch the Summer School episode then 😉
I think this is one of my favorite dean of Doom comments solely bc when I watch this episode
I always think of this comment
@@TarosTheVoid XD Thanks mate
That Civvie Reference that lead to the Map with “How’d I do?” As the background music was super clever
Where's the reference timestamp?
@@seejay9467 11:32 it starts about here
Thanks!
@@seejay9467 cj!
I smiled when I saw it. It was a silly addition to an already good video.
I dunno, I always enjoyed the Map30 in this one but I suppose that's the speedrunner in me. I had the UV-Max record for like, 17 years? I personally enjoyed a good portion of the last 1/3rd of HR and appreciated Map27 Cyberpunk for doing something unique. Map29's dark secret is imo one of the worst things in the Megawad. Map23 is one of the hardest maps for sure but I *really* didn't enjoy it and the Arch-Vile ending absolutely makes me hate it. Afterlife is definitely the showstopper map. Map13 is great for the opening adrenaline rush (I rush for the SSG and center). Map16 is one that I personally think is toward the top of the wad and I find myself coming back to it more often than not.
As someone who submitted to the Compet-N back in the early 2000s, Hell Revealed is, imo, one of the most important megawads that has ever come out. Sure, it isn't as detailed as things that came out around that time, such as Requiem, Memento Mori, Memento Mori 2, among others, but it's placement in Doom is pivotal. It was that rush that we needed for players that had already conquered the hardest stuff like Plutonia that had come out during the time. The concepts back then were fresh, original, vastly more challenging, and pushed things to the edge that we needed. Megawads were more focused on exploration over difficulty, for the most part, so this was sorely needed at the time of release. Despite it not holding up both aesthetically and plays like a bowl of slushed molasses, it's legacy is instrumental to future releases such as Alien Vendetta and Hell Revealed 2, which together I feel pushed slaughter style maps to strive for greater heights, harder difficulties, more clever combat, and better overall quality. I dare say without HR that there's a chance difficult slaughter *might* not be where it is today, or at least the landscape would look vastly different than it does today.
One pivotal note here that I'd like to point out. Yonatan Donner and Haggay Niv were between ages 14 and 16 when they released this. That's impressive, in my opinion, given the technological differences going on when this was released in map creation compared to today. Personally, I think this is the single most important Megawad released, regardless if you think it's great, nostalgic, grindy, memetic, or not at all fun.
Dean really nailed it all here and this is a perfect encapsulation of everything this wad did good and bad.
Proper history lesson there, Altima! It's always great to hear the accounts from people who were present back in a wad's heyday.
This Need to be pinned.
@@francescolombrici188
There's a more important comment pinned already.
no shit it's very important, but imo it's fucking trash. Sorry.
You know it’s rough when at 19:59 you see him running from an Archvile, entering a room full of enemies and after weighing his chances realizing the Archvile is probably his better option
"Don't try to beat the level until you've already played the level" is the best advice I've ever heard on beating hard Doom wads. I learned it quickly and painfully. Don't be afraid to drop a few difficulty levels, sometimes it is the only way to avoid days of rage and confusion.
Hell Revealed: *exists*
Russian Overkill: So you've chosen... death
"Baron Revealed"
Hahaha, the most underrated comment I've ever seen..
Brevity is the soul of wit
Hell Revealed 2 would be called "Vile Revealed" cuz it loves Archviles as much as HR1 loves Barons
The RoTT soundtrack lightens the sadism a bit
Really? Because I file its presence in this wad as a complete misuse.
ROTT itself isn't exactly a pillar of human kindness and fairness to the player, but that smooth, easy-to-listen-to jazzy soundtrack _almost_ makes me want to subject myself to maybe an episode of its utter BS.
@@justiciar1964
I hear your temptation, and counter it with three letters...
N.M.E.
The legend says that when Mtpain will review the master levels, Civvie will finally release pro tnt evilution...
We need to *feel* his boredom. I want to taste the disappointment and sadness as he's forced to go through Habitat.
Well, I’m waiting for Civvie now.
@@mr.bobcyndaquil4214 i wish civvie would at least release the script instead of just realeasing nothing.
I've been trying to get Civvie to agree to TNT:E when he hits 300k subscribers since he did a bunch of other games he dislikes at previous milestones. It's only fair.
well that got fucked
Nice touch making the Delinquent of Doom a Pain Elemental
Hell Revealed is an interesting one to discuss, because its legacy to the slaughtermap concept is definitely one that still shows in Doom wads even to this day. And part of that legacy is also a bit of a roadmap for what not to do with these kinds of maps. Everyone starts somewhere, right? A lot of things in Hell Revealed don't work, but at this point, they kinda needed not to so the way would be paved for improvements. And hey, I'd say when it works, it really works!
Afterlife I think is the best example of what Hell Revealed can pull off, but I do like City in the Clouds a lot, even though it definitely could do with less sadism. The concept of having to dance around fire while hunting down each weapon, and then dealing with a challenge to preserve each weapon, is one I really like, it's just... well, as you say, Hell Revealed is just not subtle. It's like the Roman Bacchanalia in Doom form, all about the excess.
I do apologize for voting to put you through this, though, but as I said in the poll, TNT Revilution is just the perfect landmark episode kind of WAD, so I stick by it. But hey, better to do it now than to dread it later right?
Now I love Hell Revealed, but the title screen looks like it was made Windows Movie Maker.
Considering the age of this wad, it's very likely.
i just realised that main creator of this WAD is also one of the most important people to start "speedrunning" culture, Donner is one of the guys behind OG Quake Done Quick O_O
This production value deserves a chef's kiss
I LOVE the delinquent of doom
The Delinquent of Doom is my new love/hate character.
Of course he's a Pain Elemental, too 🤭
Cousin of Gene Bird
The Civvie Reference and the dig at Cyberpunk were both fantastic, nice work.
*Cyberjank
Fix'd
him, adds the baron counter for "no reason"
people who have played the wad - 😮
Seriously though, you are really improving your content, watching this makes your alien vendetta episode a joke! I still love it tho.
Don't stop making amazing content, and thank you for all the amazing content. :)
Amazing content indeed. XD
I'm just waiting for Sunlust, my lad
Sunlust would be great, in all possible aspects. It's hard and gets ludicrous at times, but with the sheer quality in all fronts - ESPECIALLY the game design -, you can't stay mad at it.
Sunlust was the first wad where I tried out pistol starting lmao
@Bengaltiger1
Just not Italo. Italo is funny, but not very fun.
Now do Hell Revealed 2.
Totally support. I think II doesn't get the credit it's younger sibling does, despite being home to many objectively better maps
@@jonfitzpatrick9942 i agree, he’ll revealed 2 is the better megawad of the two
He thought this IoS map was bad, can’t wait for HR2.
The dean delivered
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Yay, a new MtPain27 video, and on one of the all-time classics. That text file "storyline" for HR is hilarious by the way, can't believe I've never looked at it in all this time.
EDIT: I loved the "ok Doomer" classroom bit! Also I just HAD to edit this to express my empathy for the battle at 9:27.. Brought back some old suppressed memories right there..
Hell Revealed: an infamously difficult PWAD. Me: A Doom scrub.
WELL I'VE GOTTA PLAY IT!
Also "Too Many Barons!" made me smile, though I would've gone with "Oops! All Barons"
It's weird to think that yonatan was 16 when he made this and is probably 40 now. I know it's a hot take but hell revealed is my fav megawad.,
LOVE the rise of the triad music in this wad
Either good or bad, Hell Revealed is one of the most memorable classic megawads. But I must say that the chaingunner trap from MAP23 was definitely unacceptable, during my first playthrough.
5:59 "Imagine a shooting game that says 'Hey, for this level, you're not allowed to use guns."
OG Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six. I rest my case.
(For those who don't know, TCR6 1, 2, and 3 each have stealth levels where killing anyone or getting spotted is instant failure.)
"Underground Base on UV is where most sane people will close the game and get on with their lives."
Yup, can confirm. That's the last HR map I played. I kinda liked the first five or so maps but then it became a savescumming grindfest. I pushed on for a bit but finally gave up after completing this map. If I ever play Russian Overkill, I might try a slaughtermap again but otherwise, this kind of gameplay is just nope. My personal threshold for difficulty lies somewhere around Plutonia.
I love you. This is the Doom content of my dreams.
Mock 2: The Speed of Stupid when?
So I wasted some of my time by adding all the barons from the baron count into a sort of cumulative total baron count. Also I did not read all the comments before me to make sure someone didn't beat me to making the cumulative baron count. Yes I am aware that the video has a total baron count at the end; I still wanted to watch the numbers progressively go up like it's a stat in some RPG.
MAP01: 0
MAP02: 0 (+0)
MAP03: 0 (+0)
MAP04: 1 (+1)
MAP05: 4 (+3)
MAP06: 12 (+8)
MAP07: 12 (+0)
MAP08: 15 (+3)
MAP09: 19 (+4)
MAP10: 25 (+6)
MAP11: 46 (+21)
MAP12: 57 (+11)
MAP13: 76 (+19)
MAP14: 86 (+10)
MAP15: 118 (+32)
MAP31: 133 (+15)
MAP32: 150 (+16)
MAP16: 194 (+45)
MAP17: 232 (+38)
MAP18: 292 (+60)
MAP19: 296 (+4)
MAP20: 324 (+28)
MAP21: 336 (+12)
MAP22: 379 (+43)
MAP23: 423 (+44)
MAP24: 464 (+41)
MAP25: 470 (+6)
MAP26: 489 (+19)
MAP27: 505 (+16)
MAP28: 560 (+55)
MAP29: 586 (+26)
MAP30: 592 (+6)
So... Do I get extra credit for this?
Yes. Top marks, this is pleasing to look at
@@MtPain27 Sweet! Sensei noticed!
I still can’t quite believe Donner and Niv looked at Post Mortem using Doom II’s In The Dark midi and didn’t change it
I changed it to "You Really Suck" from the Alien Vendetta MIDI Pack. Really fits the crushing difficulty of it.
Sounds like it works
Other than the April Fools episode, this is the most entertaining episode of Dean of DOOM.
Doom 64: Whoops! all Hell Knights!
Hell Revealed: Whoops! all Barons!
I love the merging of the Looney Tunes theme and Too Many Barons! Please do something like that again!
I like the idea that Dean of Doom is just some teacher and Delinquent of Doom is that one student
Oh, you know exactly what kinda student he is
Yeah-Hell Revealed II came highly recommended, and I wanted to do my homework and play the first one first. I remember this being absolute pain. Thank you for confirming my bias👍🏻
Drat, almost forgot to comment on this one. I completely agree that Hell Revealed doesn't hold up so well nowadays, but I can understand why some gravitate towards it. It's like a grindhouse film, low on substance with ugly production values, but it nonetheless manages to tap into a base instinct that brings out the bloodlust in some people. And yet Afterlife manages to stand out like The Seventh Seal nestled between The Last House on the Left and Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! You never quite know what you're going to get when exploring nineties wads.
Also, at the risk of stoking fires, I'd love to hear a Dean's Digression on the subject of slaughtermaps. I'm personally not a fan of them, but I concede that they can be fun if they feel like they want you to win but earn your victory (like Floating Arena in Ancient Aliens), instead of just wanting to crush you into pulp (like the back half of HR here). They continue to be a somewhat tricky topic to analyze in the Doom field, but I'd like to know what you specifically think about them! And as always, keep up the great work, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you've picked for the season finale.
HR and other old wads are more of a rite of passage than a true worthwhile experience. It lets newcomers understand how far we've come as a community, and where certain quirks of design come from.
Also it's not the master levels.
14:40 - whenever looney tunes plays in doom, love it! Like those videos with the song whilst Slayer bobs zombie head into chest. ;)
This video was a bit weird t h. With all the "Unproffessional behavior". Cameos from new characters and different bits than usual. I think it was quite a treat.
Never expected a Civvie-11 reference. Our baby prisoner boi has come along way.
Barons, Barons, everywhere, and no ammunition to spare.
Had to work in the office on a Saturday. Thought it'd be grim until I saw this pop up! Your videos are a delight and brighten my day up. Thank you for doing what you do
The looney tunes bit had me crying with laughter, this is perfection. Thank you for that
I SEE MR (in) PAIN AND I CLICK
ok real talk, that was a great civvie refrence, ngl.
Hell Revealed always felt like the root from which most of early DOOM fan mapping originated from, sort of like a grandfather, maybe this is just the (G)Zoomer Doomer in me talking.
Sorry for the vote Mtpain27, we shouldnt't have put you through this
I don't think he wants us to feel remorse about it or anything. I'm sure this isn't the last megawad that will get dunked on in this show, and that's fine.
When it comes to slaugtherwads, sure. But for mapping in general, I wouldn't say so.
"becuase im an airhead and forgot where the bfg was"
best quote ever
The BFG in the Garden level is unobtainable without cheating. It's there for decoration I assume and as you say it's certainly not needed.
It's there to tease you
**Giggles in jump button.*
The Rambling Range of Exertion has returned with the Grandfather of SlaughterWADs.
Before I took a nap, I watched one of your videos, and after waking up, you posted another video, truly, a great day!
Imagine the next HR game these two would create : Killing 10 Cyberdemons, with a Chaingun..
Give me Valiant's Super Chaingun, plenty of bullet boxes and a vast field to run around in, and I'll brrt them all into tiny little pieces.
Nice reference to Civvie, MtPain! Great content as always!
4:10 "Face Fulls of Flak to every Four-legged Freak you meet". I'm surprised the commenters let this go unnoticed. Gotta admire your writing skills, that was pretty good.
This makes me so happy ;u;
Also, is not a wad really, but do you think you could review doom 64? Is my favorite classic doom game, and i think it needs more recognition!
Doom 64 would be a solid mouthwash after this.
@@DinnerForkTongue with the sheer number of barons and HKs? Hell nah
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism
Except in 95% of those situations you can get them to infight.
The civvie reference made me smile.. also the Merry Go Round Broke Down for too many barons had me chuckling and smiling . Good job man
other people have said this, but Too Many Barons! just kills me every time
I have a weird soft spot for Hell Revealed in general, it’s still tedious, ugly and strange but I wish Donner and Niv stuck around because I sense potential
Maybe they’ll return some day, I can dream 🥲
I like the Pain Elemental :D
No really, I call them "funnies" because they look funny and they're my favorite DOOM monster :O
Hell Revealed also made part of my "DOOM MegaWAD Starter Pack" like the other classics I mentioned in the Requiem video, and to me it's also another MegaWAD that left an impression on me, in special Map 26, which might be the only saving grace from this WAD. Man, what a gorgeous and strange map. I think this was the one map that made me fall in love with DOOM and keep playing it ever since.
I admit that this MegaWAD is much more appropiate as a piece of DOOM history than something you keep coming back to play on an endless loop like Nostalgia 2 but it's worth at least one gameplay, even with cheats enabled and/or mods like Guncaster and Russian Overkill to even the odds.
I'm really hoping to see Lost Civization in this serie :)
I just finished Lost Civilization. I loved it. It will definitely be on Dean of Doom someday.
Surprise! Looks like you got your wish.
For the most recognized wads of the 90s to be as obtuse and rectangular as they were, it really says a lot about the tools of the time. Editors like DeePSea are laughable nowadays in comparison to Ultimate Doom Builder and the like. We've gotten much better mappers, but they wouldn't have graced us anywhere near as much without the application getting better too, and I'm glad they did.
I always thought this WAD was pretty ugly, and I think it mostly has to do with that sky. It's just a bunch of strange reds and pinks strewn together in a strange mold pattern. It makes the environments that are supposed to be on Earth feel like some strange Baron colored dimension.
It's almost just as fun watching you tear apart horrible WADs, and it's crazy seeing this as the lowest grade on the show yet, but I would definitely hope that the season closes out with some quality.
Damn, I love discovering quality Doom related channels. Instant sub.
God the looney Toons music is so GOOD
Best part of the review right there, made me laugh for ages 😂
Loved the Too many Barons bit.
Hell Revealed was one of the first Doom fanmade megawads I've played along with Memento Mori. I started playing Doom back in 1997 when I was only 10 and got Final Doom later in 1998. However, I didn't play other custom wads and megawads until around 2003 and 2004, so at that time, I downloaded Hell Revealed when I first heard how it's as difficult if not more than Plutonia, and I was bowled over at how tough the game is. Despite that, and some frustrating aspects like groups of barons, I find it quite an enjoyable megawad, especially after playing through Plutonia many times, which I thought was grueling and punishing first time playing until I got the hang and know how of taking on the levels. My advise to anything thinking of Hell Revealed a go, don't go straight for Ultra-Violence. Instead go for I'm Too Young To Die or Hey Not Too Rough as both difficulties feel like Doom 2 on Ultra-Violence in terms of gameplay. You can also take on Hurt Me Plenty if you feel up for it as it delivers a stiff challenging while at the same time being fair and not too overwhelming. Ultra-Violence, yeah, only take on that difficulty if you really are a Doom god, but otherwise, stick with the lower difficulties. I do the same thing with Plutonia as I find Ultra-Violence on that wad too much for me. Hell Revealed holds a special place in my heart, especially with the Rise of the Triad music played in most of the maps as I'm a huge fan of the game and Apogee, and it gets me pumped up for the carnage that awaits. In terms of gameplay, Hell Revealed is by no means a slaughtermap-based megawad as there's only like a handful of maps that would qualify as such, and while it has a higher body count than Plutonia, for the most part when you're facing huge waves of enemies, they're in wide open areas, and the terrain is accordingly designed so that you can use them as cover to your advantage, whereas in Plutonia, in spite of having not as many monsters, the gameplay is more chaotic and brutal due to facing them, including the abundance of heavyweight monsters in compact and usually cramped areas that it makes you feel as if you're facing a large wave of them, and due to the way the levels are designed, you have no other choice but to fight them with what you've got. So if anything, Hell Revealed gives you a bit more leeway on fighting the enemies in many of the levels, which makes it equally as hard as Plutonia and Scythe. With more modern wads that takes fighting heavyweight enemies to ridiculous heights, Hell Revealed is a cakewalk in comparison, and its successors Alien Vendetta, the sequel, and Kama Sutra offer much tougher challenges than it ever could.
This one is an absolute riot! And the sequel is even more nuts! Still a classic in my eyes, and those two really love Rise of the Triad music!
And Alice in Chains.
Great review that highlights most of the wad’s qualities and flaws. That being said, while I appreciate HR’s contributions to the mapping scene (with map 24 in particular being a very influential level on its own, directly inspiring stuff like Alien Vendetta’s Dark Dome), it’s not really a wad I would reccomended to newcomers to the Doom community. Because even if they did not mind the high level of difficulty, I frankly doubt they would tolerate the overly simplistic and blocky level architecture, the poorly placed monster blocking lines, or the awkwardly placed walls of meat that serve absolutely no purpose besides grinding the pacing of the level to a halt (with map 23’s Archvile room and map 20’s Mancubus room being the absolute worst offenders).
And while Donner and Niv never mapped again, I would argue Kama Sutra is the closest thing to a proper spiritual sucessor HR ever got. Except the former actually had the benefit of being designed at a time where most of the Doom community was far more experienced and had already figured out what worked and what didn’t in slaughtermaps (as seen in great wads such as Scythe and Alien Vendetta). Too bad most people nowadays only remember it for its memetic end boss, heh...
(Barons of) Hell Revealed
ah yes, Hell Revealed, the MegaWad that made 2003 me realize just how easy I considerably had it with the plutonia experiment.
Also, P̶r̶o̶ Master Levels for Doom 2 when MtPain27?
Man, each episode keeps getting better and better. The writing, delivery and editing is absolutely supurb. Keep up the good work Dean, absolutely loving this show!
Hell Revealed is one of my favorite megawads. The bad parts are awful yes, but the good parts are some of my absolute favorites of everything I've played. Though in fairness, I feel like the designers were designing for continuous, not pistol start, and a lot of the maps lower in quality when you do pistol start.
This wad is what decino started his doom playthrough glory on :)
The Hell Revealed splash screen is SOOOO 90s. Every time I see it, it makes me smile.
I always wanted to play this WAD but I always had a feeling that it would be archaic and a pain to go through.
Watching this episode only proved I was right.
Great watch
Aye. If you want an old wad that doesn't feel severely outdated, play Alien Vendetta.
@@DinnerForkTongue already on my list
MtPain27: "And why don't we add a Baron counter, just for the fun of it?"
Me: "...Dis gun be gud." *Grabs popcorn*
Should play it again, for 1997 it’s great WAD, but when I played it I thought it’s easy, but WAD said *NO*.
Could you rank please Quake and Wolfienstein maps please, it would be great.
Just wanted to say, your series is a Godsend. While I love the various discussion videos on this platform regarding Doom and its impressive missing community, I always wanted to see a video series dedicated to the extensive fan map packs that litter history's ruins, heh. Plus, your showcasing of the soundtracks available convinced me to stop listening to technical brutal death metal during my Doom playthroughs and instead listen to the wonderful MIDI songs these good people spent so long developing! I thought Eviternity's Dehydration would have dragged, but it's music made getting lost repeatedly worth it, heh.
Either way, keep it up! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on so many map packs! You, Civvie, Icarus, Aquarius, decino, and all others keeping the spirit of DOOM alive -- you guys rock like hell! \m/
It's funny how after almost 30 years, Rise of the Triad's greatest contribution to gaming is still in its music, which was awesome. I remember as a kid making WADs in the mid 90s, and getting RotT as a gift. Moreso than actually playing the game, I was excited that the game's music was just in a folder on the CD, a collection of MIDI files waiting to be used for Doom WADs. RADAGIO was my favorite; I thought it made for good boss battle music.
Do sunlust, the best wad ever
Started playing this WAD recently despite being turned off by Slaughter wads years ago. The first 10 maps so far have been fun. As soon who has played a number of 90s WADs, Barons used to get a lot more love in the early days of Doom map making. The Memento Mori series and Requiem loved Barons. I can't imagine pistol starting this entire WAD. Shotgunning Barons brings back memories of playing Doom 1 for years and finishing them slowly with that.
Hell Revealed was created by speedrunners and needs to be approached with a speedrunning mentality: playing the levels blind with saves is pretty much the most miserable way to approach the WAD. Instead you need to learn the maps and try different routes, until you develop a strategy for systematically dismantling them. This is especially true for map14 and map24 (two of the best maps in the set).
One concrete example: in your video you go into map13's blue key room with 101 health and 0 armor. But the level has a soul sphere and blue armor. Also, you slowly chip away at the chaingunners and revenants with the SSG instead of quickly blowing them up with rockets... with better routing you can easily survive the blue key cage with no RNG needed at all.
No, it's better not approached at all. Let it be in the past where it belongs like the crude primitive tools of archaeological exhibits.
Hell Revealed is perfect and u know it. Jk back in the 90s they could shotgun barons for hours :D
Great video, had some laughs while watching this. HR is a mod I could never get into. Slaughter maps in general I find to be boring when you can just run around spamming the BFG. I think there's a difference between insanely difficult ones like this and something like Alien Vendetta which is well designed around skill.
Great videos. Keep up the great work. Sad to hear Dean Of Doom is ending :( I am interested to seeing what you have planned next though
Season 1 is ending: there will be more after a break period
@@MtPain27
How long will is the break planned for? 3 months? 4?
Just be sure to rest up and not make this show as a chore.
@@DinnerForkTongue I'll let everyone know soon
D- for The Path is incredibly generous lol
Editing is really top notch in this one, laughed more than a few times :D Keep it up MtPain!
Oh goodie, a Baron count. I hope we get to Super Shotgun all of them. 😬
Loved the review, incredibly enjoyable. I appreciate what HR has done for the Doom Community, but I'm also somewhat glad to not be the only person with the view that it was mostly just grindy.
I've considered playing Hell Revealed as I hadn't seen it and it was known for its legacy for larger-scale fights...but after watching this video I've changed my mind. XD
Sunlust may be hard as balls and frustrated me all the way through, but it was almost never boring or a slog like this. The architecture and clever fights are what kept me going.
Thanks once again Dean. Would've never tried this one out if not your video. After Alien Vendetta I felt up to the challenge, and was surprised to find Hell Revealed's not THAT much harder than AV. Only a few levels gave me excessive trouble. Then again, I wasn't going for 100% kills, but I did play UV saveless. Overall I agree that a lot of the maps are dated and kinda bad, but the feeling of accomplishment was worth it, and there were a few diamonds in the rough (maps 32 and 22 especially). Many of them were fairly harmless, especially the first ten maps and the last 5 or so... except map 30 >_<
Map 16 is indeed terrible, I agree.
I had my fun with HR once upon a time, and agree few of the maps aged well... BUT
I think solo play was more of a joke for this set, and co-op was the intended experience (essentially anyone downloading this in the 90's was a multiplayer addict). Also the only ones who were pistol starting were compet-n participants, or sadists who already played the set to death... you really doubled down on self inflicted punishment with the pistol starts
I absolutely love his wad not only for the difficulty but for the music. I'm a sucker for some ROTT. Great review
The moment you added the Baron Counter, I knew something was gonna go down
Seriously bro, you deserve thousands more subs. May you get them this year!
Sees Hell Revealed as the topic. Rejoices!
Possibly my all time favorite, next to Hellbound. This one sees constant play for me, as the ability to quickly dive in well over one's head is rapturous in Vanilla, mods like Complex Clusterfuck or Project Brutality make this into a distinctly "modern" flavor that I honestly believe some alternative dimension John and John made. Doom as it would have been had it been now.
It all culminates in an immense sense of skill and power when you can finally rush a room filled to the gills with demonic dangers, and smoothly unleash a scene of violence so complete it often gives pause in appreciation. God damn I love the Doom mapping community
That ok doomer line is just perfect.
5:55 Alright class, Substitute Steve is here: The word is "VERSIMILITUDE."
The game does not have to be "realistic" to have certain core tenants that achieve immersion and verisimilitude. This is what you get when a good movie, story, or game, has you completely bought in.
i have been playing hell revealed in the easiest diff setting (Im too young to die) and honestly, on easier difficulties the wad becomes actually quite enjoyable, although later levels do get slaughter-ry but it never gets as devilish as it does on the higher settings.
except for random cyberdemon traps
Got a few things to say. First of all great work on this episode I really enjoyed it. Second is that I'm hyped for the final episode of the season and third is that you can't escape MOCK 2:SPEED OF STUPID Mtpain