Why are the Attorneys always seated in Iowa ? Seems different ..maybe i should watch more trials but are they not supposed to stand and address the court and witness?
@@sharonbentley8612 yeah thats what i thought ..i watched a diff trial in Iowa the farmer that stuck his wife with a pitch fork , forgot his at this second but they sit down all through that trial as well , was strange to see that .. I was born and raised in Iowa but haven't veen back in 30 years .. But im going yo check out other trials and see if they sit.i. not sure why i pick that up in Iowa trials ? Am i being picky or is it really a thing ? Im not sure yet .. But i do seem to notice it there fir some reason 😎
this is quite a small courtroom aswell, as in the area between witness and attorneys, like there isnt even that pedestal thing that you see a lot of them standing at while questioning,
@@BAFAnubis yes ..well i think they had decade's and if they had something on him they would of pounced on him years ago ! And this guys DNA was found all over that car , on her dress and inside of her ..explain that ?
This is the fifth witness in a row, Mr. Bergen, who is basically just repeating what the previous four witnesses said. The knew her from choir, she saw them at the mall and they talked to her and they left just before 9 when the mall closed. Why did they need to repeat that five times? Well, he did add that she was with a group of people instead of alone which is what the other four said.
John Allen I think the purpose is to humanize Michelle more and make her relatable and real. When that many years have gone by since the death, it’s easy to see the victim as a statistic or some ghost in the past. I think the prosecution is doing a good job by bringing up all these witnesses to her humanity.
If he is convicted, it will be interesting to hear the victim impact statements-assuming there are some, because it has been so long since Michelle’s death- .Usually we hear about short term impact. This case would provide us with long term impact statements.
It was so long ago, if they only had one or two people talking about her whereabouts that night, the jury ,isn’t think they could be mistaken. Instead, we have a number of people recalling the same details, thereby solidifying the timeline.
The story is fascinating........ this isnt evidence. These are known facts, the evidence will be the strength of the dna markers, and the way it was obtained, was it blood or just dna. ???????.
I haven’t watched this entire trial, but my question is this....Were the Police watching this Suspect, after all these years? And finally were able to get a straw for DNA?
@@ssha2612 years of dna matching and coming eventually highlights suspects. All 3 were brothers. So they reopened the case, 2 bros gave dna, jerry didnt. So they followed him for dna evidence, and now we are here.....
honestly given the accused is a "random stranger" id question whether he may have commited other murders in the area that are unsolved from that time? although i presume the police would have already checked similar cases in the area, its got a 70s serial killer feel to it, maybe ive watched too many documentarys (just finished Mindhunter aswell) but teen college student alone at night in carpark.....
Ol' "Henry" Merlin Winckler thinks he's at a party with his joking and laughing. Yeah Fonzie, this trial is just a barrel of laughs. And while you're at it, come on down and check out this beautiful picture of our wonderful mall, because why not. All the other witnesses have done the same.
It would have been better if they digitized the aerial view of the mall rather than have everyone and their pet calf gather around it. Can't see nor hear the witness. I guess the state attorney's office runs on a whopping budget of $97.52. Get up to 2020 technology Iowa!
I think we all get the point that Michelle was at the mall wearing a fancy coat, and she was looking for a coat her mom put on layaway. WHY does this have to be repeated over and over again!!!????
exactly. I think it's the only way to prove she was where she was. they have no video and the more people who say it, witness it the more weight it has compared to just one or two people. it does become monotonous though
exactly. the reason they're able to remember what she was wearing, where they were and all the details is bc they were questioned over and over about it and then refreshed on their past interviews before this court date.
John Locke not binoculars that would be just daft, they'd still need to be in the line of vision. But they could have bigger monitors like most court rooms.
She probably is wearing her hair naturally curly/wavy just the way God intended. Why should we as women fight with and straighten or curl our hair? To please people like you? She has used a styling product and has a great haircut. Shame on you for shaming someone you know nothing about.
@@Wellness-lk3he I was going to say, once again, commenting on a woman's appearance, yet none have said a word about any of the men. Let's talk about that 'stache! JK!
@@herselfLil ~Right? I love it when a woman cares for herself over the stress of meeting other people's expectations. I noticed right away that this judge has her own mind and carries herself with dignity and grace. That beautiful mane is hers, and she earned it!
The mall is crowded with Christmas shoppers. A beautiful young girl is there, walking around the mall alone, over-dressed and showing a wad of cash around. This would attract the attention of predators in the mall. Was Jerry Burns a predator? Could there have been other predators in the mall that night?
I don't think at that time she was over dressed. girls actually dressed up more back then and it was Christmas with alot of programs and events where people dressed a little nicer
this is heavily repetitive, what are they giving us that we didnt find out from the 1st witness, 5 character witnesses is totally unnecessary, i thought 1st witness did enough, id have the boyfriend to confirm the 1st witness recollection as it was so long ago, they really need to get to the forensics
This case is just for our entertainment.We know she was slain between 9pm and 4am and found in her car at the mall. Why are the prosecution asking the same questions to the witnesses. All this information must be taken as read due to the police activity at the time. What is in question is , whos DNA is on her dress and gearstick. The DNA links the defendant, wholly or partly to the crime. How can a jury convict on DNA alone.
@@sharonbentley8612 ...so why do we need to listen to all the witnesses tell a sad story. Its a farce for the trial as its all just to poke emotion at an already known set of facts. We all know what happened. If its his dma fine, but its only science that puts his dna there. Steven avery case. Planted dna. It happens.
The judge’s hair is gorgeous. So happy to see a woman proudly rocking gray hair. She reminds me of Blythe Danner.
NC beauty1001 That’s what her name is.... I couldn’t remember the actress name the judge reminded of!! Could be close family!
Amy Herrin they really do look like sisters!
NC beauty1001 I absolutely agree, she’s also very softly spoken.
I was literally coming to the comment section to say just that. Gorgeous.
I admired her hair since first I saw it so I'm glad you mentioned that!
Andy Seidel has never lost his feelings for Michelle.
her classmatesLOVED her.
Shout out to the judge and that beautiful hair! ROCK IT, GIRL!!!!
@Anne Turner oh Really???? Gee I didn’t know that! I guess women aren’t allowed to complement other women in your world.
So nobody thought, "the last place I saw her was at the mall, so maybe we should start looking at the mall"?
Why are the Attorneys always seated in Iowa ? Seems different ..maybe i should watch more trials but are they not supposed to stand and address the court and witness?
jackie oman Some sit some stand. Usually stand if talking to the Judge.
@@sharonbentley8612 yeah thats what i thought ..i watched a diff trial in Iowa the farmer that stuck his wife with a pitch fork , forgot his at this second but they sit down all through that trial as well , was strange to see that .. I was born and raised in Iowa but haven't veen back in 30 years .. But im going yo check out other trials and see if they sit.i. not sure why i pick that up in Iowa trials ? Am i being picky or is it really a thing ? Im not sure yet .. But i do seem to notice it there fir some reason 😎
@@jackieoman6695 i still think that Jerry guy she was having an affair with should have been pressed more.....
this is quite a small courtroom aswell, as in the area between witness and attorneys, like there isnt even that pedestal thing that you see a lot of them standing at while questioning,
@@BAFAnubis yes ..well i think they had decade's and if they had something on him they would of pounced on him years ago ! And this guys DNA was found all over that car , on her dress and inside of her ..explain that ?
This is the fifth witness in a row, Mr. Bergen, who is basically just repeating what the previous four witnesses said. The knew her from choir, she saw them at the mall and they talked to her and they left just before 9 when the mall closed. Why did they need to repeat that five times? Well, he did add that she was with a group of people instead of alone which is what the other four said.
John Allen I think the purpose is to humanize Michelle more and make her relatable and real. When that many years have gone by since the death, it’s easy to see the victim as a statistic or some ghost in the past. I think the prosecution is doing a good job by bringing up all these witnesses to her humanity.
@@MRR-ef3ds Good point.
If he is convicted, it will be interesting to hear the victim impact statements-assuming there are some, because it has been so long since Michelle’s death- .Usually we hear about short term impact. This case would provide us with long term impact statements.
@@MRR-ef3ds Very good point. You never forget.
It was so long ago, if they only had one or two people talking about her whereabouts that night, the jury ,isn’t think they could be mistaken. Instead, we have a number of people recalling the same details, thereby solidifying the timeline.
Evidence is fascinating
The story is fascinating........ this isnt evidence. These are known facts, the evidence will be the strength of the dna markers, and the way it was obtained, was it blood or just dna. ???????.
Thanks Malcolm
I haven’t watched this entire trial, but my question is this....Were the Police watching this Suspect, after all these years? And finally were able to get a straw for DNA?
@@ssha2612 years of dna matching and coming eventually highlights suspects. All 3 were brothers. So they reopened the case, 2 bros gave dna, jerry didnt. So they followed him for dna evidence, and now we are here.....
Malcolm Swiftfoot OH WOW! Thank you
Come on down Andy! You're the 7th witness to see our prize exhibit... the mall photo!
Medical Examination should be interesting
The judges hair looks like she was in a convertible going 80 mph down the highway.
Your comment next to the one above has just made me lose it. I guess the jury is out on her hair!
Her hair is fabulous.
I love her hair! It’s natural, thick and healthy and not sprayed down like we might have done in the late 70’s early ‘80’s
honestly given the accused is a "random stranger" id question whether he may have commited other murders in the area that are unsolved from that time? although i presume the police would have already checked similar cases in the area, its got a 70s serial killer feel to it, maybe ive watched too many documentarys (just finished Mindhunter aswell) but teen college student alone at night in carpark.....
What an unusual thing to say in a murder trial : " you had some time to kill" 😂 I heard it 3 times already
Same here Love it
This is just me being particular, but I really wish they would use a different phrase than "killing time."
totally
Ol' "Henry" Merlin Winckler thinks he's at a party with his joking and laughing. Yeah Fonzie, this trial is just a barrel of laughs. And while you're at it, come on down and check out this beautiful picture of our wonderful mall, because why not. All the other witnesses have done the same.
❤ with all due respect Hollywood could one day esplain this timely story r.i.p. Beautiful girl Michelle Martin co
It would have been better if they digitized the aerial view of the mall rather than have everyone and their pet calf gather around it. Can't see nor hear the witness. I guess the state attorney's office runs on a whopping budget of $97.52. Get up to 2020 technology Iowa!
I think we all get the point that Michelle was at the mall wearing a fancy coat, and she was looking for a coat her mom put on layaway. WHY does this have to be repeated over and over again!!!????
u took the words out of my mouth....ridiculous
exactly. I think it's the only way to prove she was where she was. they have no video and the more people who say it, witness it the more weight it has compared to just one or two people. it does become monotonous though
That display is as bad as the one at the Donald Hartung trial. It is 2020 couldn’t tthe prosecution have used a computer.
My heart breaks for her mum, she would have felt so guilty for sending her daughter to get the coat 😢
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo awful . this poor girl!
Boutique is a rare store items are unique and price is Right
Exactly what will happen to this Iowa state crime story not x
how do the remember 40 years ago ?
exactly. the reason they're able to remember what she was wearing, where they were and all the details is bc they were questioned over and over about it and then refreshed on their past interviews before this court date.
Well and the night when somebody got killed you had just talked to or even were friends with is also kinda something to remember....
The tiger mom knows her line even 😯 s after fur
Wish they wouldn't crowd round the exhibits..
What else do you want them to do? Use binoculars? Besides, it's the same exhibit we've seen 5 times already.
John Locke not binoculars that would be just daft, they'd still need to be in the line of vision. But they could have bigger monitors like most court rooms.
The trial is for the judge, jury, attorneys, defendant and witnesses. Not for your entertainment.
I came to USA 1979 summer what to wear oh my gosh❤
Fashion forward vintage 📚 boutique not haha
👠 callouses
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First witness doxxed himself
CnA SCRUBS 😺
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Does the Judge just get out of bed and come to work. Her hair is a mess but love the color.
She probably is wearing her hair naturally curly/wavy just the way God intended. Why should we as women fight with and straighten or curl our hair? To please people like you? She has used a styling product and has a great haircut. Shame on you for shaming someone you know nothing about.
@@KELLSEY444 Thank you!! Besides, it is gorgeous!
@@Wellness-lk3he I was going to say, once again, commenting on a woman's appearance, yet none have said a word about any of the men. Let's talk about that 'stache! JK!
@@herselfLil ~Right? I love it when a woman cares for herself over the stress of meeting other people's expectations. I noticed right away that this judge has her own mind and carries herself with dignity and grace. That beautiful mane is hers, and she earned it!
@@Wellness-lk3he That hasn't been my experience, at least when the lawyers and/or judges are overweight males.
The mall is crowded with Christmas shoppers. A beautiful young girl is there, walking around the mall alone, over-dressed and showing a wad of cash around. This would attract the attention of predators in the mall. Was Jerry Burns a predator? Could there have been other predators in the mall that night?
David Gaugamela not over dressed for that year
other predators didnt leave their DNA on her though
I don't think at that time she was over dressed. girls actually dressed up more back then and it was Christmas with alot of programs and events where people dressed a little nicer
Over dressed? Wearing warm coat is over dressed?
this is heavily repetitive, what are they giving us that we didnt find out from the 1st witness, 5 character witnesses is totally unnecessary, i thought 1st witness did enough, id have the boyfriend to confirm the 1st witness recollection as it was so long ago, they really need to get to the forensics
This case is just for our entertainment.We know she was slain between 9pm and 4am and found in her car at the mall. Why are the prosecution asking the same questions to the witnesses. All this information must be taken as read due to the police activity at the time. What is in question is , whos DNA is on her dress and gearstick. The DNA links the defendant, wholly or partly to the crime. How can a jury convict on DNA alone.
Malcolm Swiftfoot You must not have watched many trials. Yes they can convict on DNA alone. It’s the defendant’s DNA. No one else has that DNA.
@@sharonbentley8612 ...so why do we need to listen to all the witnesses tell a sad story. Its a farce for the trial as its all just to poke emotion at an already known set of facts. We all know what happened. If its his dma fine, but its only science that puts his dna there. Steven avery case. Planted dna. It happens.
@@malcolmswiftfoot9881 It's called building your case and being thorough. Real life isn't like a TV show or movie. Moron.
@@malcolmswiftfoot9881 Steven avery is guilty.
Theres building a case. And over kill. Dont forget, youre paying for these cases, alot of your taxes.