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    STEP BY STEP. How to change out your forks sliders and covers. This is also good if you are just replacing the springs or adding air ride to your front end or simply servicing your shocks. Step by step procedure will ensure a quick swap out. PLEASE HIT THAT LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE TO BE THE FIRST ONES TO KNOW ABOUT NEW UPGRADE VIDEOS! THANK YOU FOR WATCHING!
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  • @gkharing
    @gkharing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your videos. No sugar coating, no BS, you lay it out so its easy to understand. Very helpful. Thanks and keep them coming!

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you very much. New vids coming soon...recovering from a surgery now. But ill be back very soon with new stuff.

  • @jrljr66
    @jrljr66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! This will help me plenty. I'll watch it again as I replace mine. Thank you!!

  • @TacticalDannyBoy
    @TacticalDannyBoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you sir for posting this. I will be doing this this weekend and it is a lot of help. Ride safe.

  • @jerrygaona6162
    @jerrygaona6162 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just looking for a video so I can replace my leaking fork seals. For me this was short and sweet to the point of what I needed to do to remove the shocks on my 2017 Ultra Limited. There are plenty of other videos on how to rebuild the shocks. Just what I was looking for. Thank you

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Jerry glad it helped..this video was supposed to a lot better than it was but it was a very hectic day...if you ever need further fork videos check out my newest video on the fat tire build and just skip to the fork part...its much better.

  • @ridgerc5976
    @ridgerc5976 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have really helped me think about doing this upgrade myself, might have to bring in some backup.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes sir this mod will go way easier if you have a buddy to help hold everything for sure.

  • @infini1970
    @infini1970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look so much better! My next mod for sure.

  • @kenmode1
    @kenmode1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for all your great videos !

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Youre very welcome and thank you for checking them out.

  • @ceelowc1496
    @ceelowc1496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok thanks Steven Housden I'm over thinking this project

    • @larryp759
      @larryp759 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He could of just stripped them and polished them and they look like chrome when done

  • @mackdiesel6437
    @mackdiesel6437 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome channel sir, I'm new to the bagger bikes so this has a lot of good info. I'm riding a 2016 street glide special and I am loving it. Ride safe.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you man...you're gonna love that bike. Lots of good stuff on the channel to help you along the way. Thanks for checking us out.

  • @davidhelton9007
    @davidhelton9007 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just what I wanted to see. Thank you

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its an old video bro and not very well shot ...we will make a better one

  • @SmittysShop
    @SmittysShop ปีที่แล้ว

    Great reference! Thanks for your help!

  • @angelsuarez17
    @angelsuarez17 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome content

  • @kaistewart3397
    @kaistewart3397 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeaaaa I’ma have to take the bike to the shop for that.

  • @onpointdetailingbrandon6119
    @onpointdetailingbrandon6119 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    love your videos man u sound like an awesome dude I have the same bike the same year charcoal Pearl I plan on doing some upgrades just like yours much appreciated with your helpful videos

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey man thanks alot...I sent you my facebook last week on another post...hit me up over there if you need anything. facebook.com/StevenLeeHousden

  • @jeffvanark
    @jeffvanark 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like your rims. I'll be doing mine as a winter project.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Jeff...this one is from SMT Maching. Tisted Steel 21" cut, not forged, so it takes awhile to get...about 5 weeks so I did it as winter upgrade as well. Well worth the wait.

  • @71donkrider
    @71donkrider 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid bruh keep doing it fur the people wet appreciate it

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Much appreciated.

  • @donklaing
    @donklaing 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    1 1/2 " ABS nor PVC worked for my seal installation? Too tight. Measured fork leg at, 1.630 " Any other ideas?

  • @RTHD84
    @RTHD84 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned doing dirtbike forks seals, dont hesitate guys with a little mechanical knowledge its not bad, take pictures if you need for the correct order of
    things.

  • @danielsloan8426
    @danielsloan8426 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    After you replace your fork seals what about your tirple tree bearings do you need to check that while you have the front forks off for any ware ?

  • @Firelord360
    @Firelord360 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How far does that seal get driven in with the PVC pipe? I want to take mine off since it is winter to get some things powder coated.

  • @doulos77
    @doulos77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what size allen was required to remove the fork cap?

  • @sikbaggers
    @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let me know what you think guys....this project was a little over my head...haven't done a set before but it isnt all that bad. Thank goodness for good buddies willing to help out. Love the outcome.

    • @magpul222
      @magpul222 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Housden why didn't you do the chrome 21in front wheel?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha million dollar question my friend. I did the 19 chrome enforcer last year and really thats all I had in my budget was a 19...the 21 almost doubles in price. We will be doing a 21 here shortly though...its in the works as we speak. Kind of wished I would have waited but the 19 chrome enforcer is still pretty nice.

    • @1bagger29
      @1bagger29 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Housden front end looks good now can you exchange the 19in Enforcer for the 21 in with Willie shy

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks man! Nah..I dont think willy has the 21. I wish he did. That 21 re-enforcer was made by mad wheels at one point and only chromed by sport chrome. I have one picked out from another dealer now...Ill have to sell this one in the forums or something to re coop some of my funds for the 21.

    • @1bagger29
      @1bagger29 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Housden okay gotcha thanks

  • @fariqazim
    @fariqazim 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it same way to remove for 2013 below?'

  • @cliffordperanio9929
    @cliffordperanio9929 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job

  • @drumsnbass
    @drumsnbass 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Approximately how long did one fork/shock take?

  • @GabeSuarezCreative
    @GabeSuarezCreative 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey Steven. Thanks for the video. If I buy the legends front suspension can I just use these new fork legs to build the front end and just swap that with the stock ones? Instead of taking everything apart.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you should be fine with dropping those in to these fork legs.

  • @Concreteguy94
    @Concreteguy94 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i appreciate the video. Being as there are not really any videos showing the disassembly and reassembly of the fork legs on '14 and up streetglides. BUT it would be a much more useful video to someone like me that has used a number of them to tackle my own bike successfully if you would have ditched the useless background music and a little more close-up video and explanation of the parts you are removing and how to re-install them. Thankfully though it because of guys like you posting such vids that it has saved me from handing ridiculous amounts of money to Harley to install parts that a mechanically inclined person such as myself could install on my own.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah man ...sorry. During the shooting of the video we didnt realize the mic was left off when we were pulling these . I made the best video I could with what I had. Also adding the images straight from the service manual to help with the parts. If you like doing your own work but need some guidance as I do sometimes....the best thing I got when I got this sled was this service manual from ebay. www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Harley-Touring-Service-Manual-Repair-with-Electrical-Diag-and-Parts-CD/142054589944?epid=536111011&hash=item21131d05f8:g:2RsAAOSw1DtXHomq this guy will send you an instant email with a PDF file you can download and will also send you a disk in the mail. The PDF is useful as you can search parts and not have to scroll through 900 pages to find what you need. And Its a lot cheaper than buying the actual book. Thanks for checking out the video.

    • @philburke1902
      @philburke1902 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Guys like Concreteguy94 should just go to Harley and pay up. Instead of critiquing a guy who takes his personal time to put a video together for FREE. The video helped me get mine done with no issues (being I actually am mechanically inclined).

  • @ryantrammell4639
    @ryantrammell4639 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very helpful video with rebuilding forks and using chrome sliders. Going to do the same to my 14 limited. Have you had any interest in the American suspension front air for these bikes? They’re saying just add air piston and cap and hook it in with rear air ride. Seems like there would be more to it. Curious if you have looked into this at all.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Ryan..I have looked into the air for the front and that is what I read as well. However I dont agree with just adding it to the air tank that is there. I think I would convert my crash bar to a tank as the rear shocks already use quite a bit of air to raise the bike...I would like the front to have its own air supply. Wish there was room for another tank on my bike but im not sure I would add it at this point.

    • @ryantrammell4639
      @ryantrammell4639 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Housden thanks for the quick reply and your opinion. Never heard of converting crash bar to air tank. I’ll have to look into that!

  • @chashollings81
    @chashollings81 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to do this to my 2014 Road king so I have a few questions. Is it the same for a 2014 Road King, without the fairing? Is it just the 3 pinch bolts still that I need to worry about to take off the forks? Also Do I need to disassemble my whole headlight/passing lamp assembly? or can I get away with doing this without taking my headlights apart? Thanks in advance.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes the RK is the same as the SG or the RG with a lot less work involved on getting the forks out. I wouldnt think you would need to remove your headlight for the forks. Its pretty straight forward.

  • @prolife8079
    @prolife8079 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, i do have a 2015 Street glide special, what is the oil measurement does each fork take?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      thanks! The 49mm front legs on the 2014 up models take slightly more than 24 oz (710 cc) in each shock.

  • @boblafountaine9560
    @boblafountaine9560 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know if the upper fork slider covers can be removed without removing the wheel, forks and brakes? I cant find a single video that shows how this is done on a 17 Road King. Thanks if anyone reads this.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      unfortunately there is not. Your RK should be pretty easy to do though without the hassle of a fairing.

  • @antwoinescars266
    @antwoinescars266 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This might be a long shot but I’m doing fork covers on a 2015 street glide and pulling out the dampener 2 little springs came out instead of 1 like I’m seeing in these how to videos. Anyone know where the other small spring goes?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you buy this bike used or have a progressive lowering kit installed in the past? the 2 small springs are usually included on a lowering kit..see this eBay listing and look at the picture of the side cut drawing. ebay.to/3LvcSK5 ..the middle pics show the 2 springs stacked on one another. If there are 2 equal size springs just stack them at the bottom if they came out of the bottom or one on top and one on the bottom depending on how they came out. I hope this helps you.

  • @ryansullivan6950
    @ryansullivan6950 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What size hex was needed to remove the top cover from the forks to get into the springs? Is it a 3/4”?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey man im sorry i missed this comment, youtube sucks sometimes with alerts. But yes...its 3/4 inch...Im sure you have figured that out since 2 weeks ago....sorry again man. 😬

  • @andrewgalloway1304
    @andrewgalloway1304 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    did you even set your "sag" didn't see that in your video. And if you loosen the dampener tube bolt first spring pressure will stop the dampener from spinning in the tube. I have Ricochrome as well, good stuff

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks man! Where in the service manual does it discuss setting the front sag? I didnt anything or anywhere to adjust the dampening on the front forks. Let me know! thank you!

  • @teddybearbiker
    @teddybearbiker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    how much residue from the chroming process was left inside those lowers to clean out when you got those? or was there any?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Jeff..there wasnt any...the place that chromed these did a great job of chasing the holes before I got them.

  • @ridgerc5976
    @ridgerc5976 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let me know when to drop off my bike. Lol
    I bought the chrome sliders and have been putting off installing until I can get someone with some experience to lend a hand.

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL man ill tell you this...its a lot easier with 2 people for sure but not a terrible job to do..just make sure you put it all back together the same way

  • @ceelowc1496
    @ceelowc1496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    One more question fork oil how much did you put in each fork and how did you check oil level

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Each leg will take 24oz of type E fork oil for the 2014 up...they are 49mm forks...the 13 downs take way less..I use a fork oil level tool...you wille be good with 24 oz though,..its not a "science" amount...it will work the same with a little too much or not enough....The tool I use is this one from amazon....its cheap and you can rent it out to your buddies haha www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GZPCYI

  • @leesg3
    @leesg3 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m thinking of doing this next month. Does your bike have anti lock breaks? The dealer made it sound like there was some sort of extra work involved in order to accomplish this task...

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      no my bike doesnt have ABS....the only difference I would see is the abs sensor when taking the wheel off. Its like a wheel spacer. Not sure there would be much difference other than that.

    • @leesg3
      @leesg3 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Housden thanks for the input.

  • @onpointdetailingbrandon6119
    @onpointdetailingbrandon6119 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bouth sides of the fork identical when replacing the forks ?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The insides are..the outsides are not due to the brake caliper location

  • @markpaz6836
    @markpaz6836 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. what is the measurement for putting the forks back on? there is no stop at the top of the fork tube. Where do i get that measurement please?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the top of the fork is sightly beveled. Push the fork through and a nickles width past the bevel. So when you're looking at it from the top you will see a nickels thickness of fork tube and the bevel.

  • @ahmadamin89
    @ahmadamin89 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much shall I torque the fork cap after pouring in the oil?

    • @ryansullivan6950
      @ryansullivan6950 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahmad Amin 25-59 ft lbs, honestly just go to either 40-50

  • @gucci4871
    @gucci4871 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do cans need to be replaced? Aren't they chrome already.thanks like ur videos. Doug

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are correct sir the ones that came on the bike were chrome but the ones that I purchased seemed to be way more shiny. Not sure why..I dont know the chroming process for the stock cans but the ones I got from them were noticeably shinier

  • @epowell01
    @epowell01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Same procedure for 2015 Ultra Limited? I am looking to just change oil at my 27000 miles. Recommended to go to a little thicker viscosity oil?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes same size forks on the 15....and no need ot go thicker unless you are lowering the bike...then you can use Screamin' Eagle Performance Fork Oil

    • @epowell01
      @epowell01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sikbaggers Was looking at changing oil for lesser of a dive when needing to nail brakes and not as harsh on bumps. Same for rear air shocks. Any recommendations on that?

  • @douglasbutler7046
    @douglasbutler7046 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm looking to take my slider tins off and up different ones on. Cant find any videos off doing just this. Can I with out taking the wheel off? Can I just loosen the triple tree and slide them up? Thanks

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats not really a good idea...If you do that the entire thing comes out...both legs, wheel and all. You really should remove your front wheel...slide out one leg at a time and replace the slider can with the 2 bolts and then put the leg back on and do the other side. put your front wheel back on. The front wheel is really easy to pull.. Watch my video on the Fat tire kit, its on a road glide but its newer than this video and shows you step by step. Its way easier than fighting to get both legs and wheel all together back on your bike all at once. th-cam.com/video/qTqp6nneq4Q/w-d-xo.html

    • @douglasbutler7046
      @douglasbutler7046 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the advice I will do that. Love the videos.

  • @danielsaudi9121
    @danielsaudi9121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video.. any idea the Allen socket size at the bottom of the forks?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      12mm also watch this section of my fat tire build..its a better version of the fork swap video here. This link will start at the fork disassembly and then the fork rebuild th-cam.com/video/qTqp6nneq4Q/w-d-xo.html its on a road glide buts its the exact same thing. Aso here is the bit you'll need amzn.to/3pcEwmv

  • @dvanhoeven1112
    @dvanhoeven1112 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello how much oil must i put in the 2 forks my street Glide is from 2020 thanks Gr

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  ปีที่แล้ว

      slightly less than 24 oz.....if you have fully let them drain and pump out all of the old stuff.

  • @ceelowc1496
    @ceelowc1496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Steve how did you line the fork up straight for your wheel and the fork height

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      hey Chris...fork height can be measured from the top...where the fork sticks through the triple tree...before you pull them you can mark them or mark them with tape...marks sometimes get wiped off while doing everything else. About a 1/4 is sticking out of the top off mine...I have seen guys drop them all the way in to the handle bars just to lower the front end some. the fork lowers turn inside the fork top freely...so they will line themselves out when you install the front fender or wheel. Get the height right and then get them "eyeball" straight by turning the lower inside the upper. Put the wheel or fenderr on and itll line itself out...let me know if that makes sense...easier to show them type it out but im trying lol

    • @ceelowc1496
      @ceelowc1496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Steven Housden that really helped

  • @ceelowc1496
    @ceelowc1496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Steve what's the price for chrome fork leg kit

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chris Mims it was around 230. I think... The link to the ebay store is in the description.... Plus the fork oil new rings and copper washer. That was another 40 or so from harley.

  • @leonardwashington1617
    @leonardwashington1617 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man did you use one pint per shock?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      14 and up call for 24 oz in each leg...if you used a lowering it or something like tat follow what that manufacture calls for.

  • @clowe1243
    @clowe1243 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Put 24oz in each...forks are very stiff! I poured at full extension...is that my issue?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      is your bike a 14 and up year? the 13 downs take less...should be full extension when you fill up. not sure what is causing that...did you use a stiffer oil or the standard oil?

    • @clowe1243
      @clowe1243 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sikbaggers 14 and up, standard oil from harley. Not the CVO stuffer version.

    • @williambartsch4744
      @williambartsch4744 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sikbaggers in the manual for rushmore models tube is down when adding and checking fluid level

  • @garyhuggett7209
    @garyhuggett7209 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Any chance of doing this slower and better camera angles so it will be easier to follow?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you yeah it didnt turn out the way I wanted it to. Half of the day we forgot to turn the mic on....I was actually talking in most of that and imagine my dismay when I got it in post production and had no sound. I will try to do another one when we get a bike in here for lowers. Sorry about that.

    • @garyhuggett7209
      @garyhuggett7209 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Housden thanks for the reply. Defiantly like it videos

  • @carlosb3926
    @carlosb3926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What floor jack do you used?

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well this is an old Craftsman floor jack built like a tank..not quite made this good anymore but the other one I have is this one. amzn.to/343EtBl its decent but Id don't leave it up in the air for long p[eriods of time...its bled off before..slowly but still..other than that you will need to get one from Titan or another large company like that.

  • @charlie-dv7mi
    @charlie-dv7mi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Much easier to just use the 49mm tool to set the seal

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah it sure is...obvioously we didnt have one....this was shot in 2017... check my newer videos...we invested.

  • @TheScoonDogg
    @TheScoonDogg 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steven I install a 21 on my buddies bike and the progressive mono tube shocks it came out pretty niceth-cam.com/video/aavmtsinLvk/w-d-xo.html can you link where on eBay you bought the chrome sliders please

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SCOON DAWG hey man.. Yeah hopefully getting the 21 soon. Here is the seller on ebay I got the shocks from ebay.com/usr/ricochrome think they were around 280 no exchange.

    • @TheScoonDogg
      @TheScoonDogg 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just as a note.......when we received everything from sporth chrome the washers for the chrome rotors were missing and they gave us used rotor bolts. So far that was the only flaw

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I purchased all new chrome hardware from boardtracker Harley online last year when I got the polished rotors and wheel from Willy. It was the Front Brake Rotor Hardware Kit-41500095 ...one set for each side total was about 65 bucks. Pretty pricey for bolts but its the small details that count. Coudnt find it cheaper anywhere else.

  • @dogboyendicott5211
    @dogboyendicott5211 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dang I’m lucky to get $2.58 on eBay bucks🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @sikbaggers
      @sikbaggers  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gotta wait on that 10% bucks coupon...also I head ebay is ditching the ebay bucks system too...kinda sucks