And they were still too gutless to make an honest assessment of the situation. The Hollywood Reporter is trash just like Hollywood itself. If we want good content, we’re gonna have to watch old Hollywood films, foreign film markets, independent creators, or make our OWN entertainment.
not going to lie, I use to have a rebel symbol painted on my vehicles hood, I bought star wars toys, star wars legos, cups, shirts, games and for sure went to see or watch every single movie, I bought disney+ back in the day for star wars. I remember leaving theaters after the first new mouse movie and going "well that was just sort of like a new hope...but ok lets see where this goes" and just every project slowly building disappointment to outright anger and finally now apathy. I grew up memorizing the source books and I literally have two bookshelves full of the "EU" books, and when i overheard my wife talking to a friend about my birthday, and the topic of star wars popped up, and she went "oh yeah he doesn't really care about star wars anymore" it hit me like a brick in the chest, I don't, I don't even watch the new stuff, let alone buy anything, Hell I hardly click on these videos anymore covering it. it makes me sad to think about that in totality here but yeah its dead.
Have a very similar story to yours. While studying I was playing semi professional Rugby, so I often couldn't go out on Friday nights. I remember spending my Friday nights sitting in the university library reading Wookiepedia article after article until it was time to go to bed.
Except that in this article they refuse to acknowledge that it's failing and they refuse to acknowledges the real reasons why it's failing. This is another bullshit deflective article.
This got written now because it's finally ok to tell some truth about the state of starwars in the industry. The is the first pebble of the coming landslide of industry insiders dunking on star wars and the current KK leadership. This is good, KK is finally on an outward trajectory from lucasfilm.
Star Wars survived the 17-year content drought. It survived the prequels. It survived The Holiday Special It has been slaughtered and reduced to a zombies by DisnESG. Enough said.
"Survived the Prequels" Frankly, I think it's worth questioning how much of the Prequel hate was genuine and how much was generated by the same media that tried to prop up the Disneyverse, especially given that the Prequels as a setting kept generating projects that the fans enjoyed. If the Prequels had truly damaged Star Wars, I'm not sure Disney would have been interested in purchasing Lucasfilm in the first place.
@@SpaceJawathe prequels were good concept and all but very poorly done. The acting and directing were really bad at times and the massive amount of CG and filming in front of green screen didn’t age as good as the originals did. Lord of the rings came out the same time as them and put them to shame back then.
@@gnarlin4964 I question how bad they really were given that there's no indication that they ever actually hurt the franchise and that Lucas was even able to capitalize on the prequel era.
They're not "catching up", they are reorienting their sails, because they can't BS people anymore into making them believe the ship is moving when it's actually standing still. Also, trying to peddle lies is starting to have financial consequences, so now that it's "safe" to acknowledge the obvious, NOW they are doing so.
I'm always disgusted by this desire to pretend the EU never existed. The franchise was *dormant* for decades??? The franchise was filled with books, graphic novels, ttrpgs, and video games that all connected together. Events and characters introduced in the fps Dark Forces, a game released in the '90s, would be seen in each of it's sequels all the way up to the early 2000's. Mara Jade, who would become Luke's wife in the books, was playable in the Dark Forces 2 expansion. The EU existing and thriving is WHY Star Wars continued to grow despite the lack of theatrical releases and is the real reason the brand was ever worth the 4 billion dollar price tag.
Absolutely, and they had stories for movies for decades if they wanted. What really pisses me off is the EU, the authors had to get buy off from Lucasfilm, and the authors made sure that their stories were coherent to each other, sure you can create a new character, but just make sure that it makes sense in the larger universe. What was the point of making them "Legends", when you are basically starting up a whole new EU, when the old one was perfectly fine. I think I have most of the original EU books, after Disney butchered the new movies, I haven't bought a book since.
And yet, in retrospect, Disney ditching the EU was a blessing in disguise for the fans; Disney's too busy ruining its own stuff rather than ruining the stuff the fans actually enjoyed, and it makes it easier to separate the two versions.
Remember how J-Law thought that she was the first female action hero? Have you seen the Acolyte actor who thinks Anakin blew up the Death Star? The Acolyte actress who thought she was the first F-type "powerful leaduh, Yass, yass!" That's how much they know... correction... DON'T know. They are coming into something, trying to take over... when they know *nothing* about it... not even the most basic things.
The bigger question is: Is Disney slowly destroying everything? And I think the answer is yes, they own too many IP’s now and they only release good films occasionally, internal ideologies are most likely to blame
I think one of the problems is that the company is FAR to big for its own good and would be better off if it was broken up and sold in chunks, getting the IPs out of the bubble of stupidy that has taken over the company and shut down Disney plus and shift its good content to Netflix, while leaving the trash to be thrown in the incinerator of tax write offs and claw back lost revenune from the overpaided execs, like Iger!
Try watching the gundam series then. It has enough catalogue of series and movies to make you forget the bitterness of what Kennedy, johnson and Abrams had done. It is essentially the Japanese counterpart of America Star wars and is much more loved by its creator and caretaker than star wars had ever been.
@@gregorysaugustine5236 I seen a lot of the Gundam series, not all of them, but a large chunk, yet the most resent series, really went downhill in terms of story, it was a complete mess that made very little sense, compared to what came before, I think Gundam peek in the post original timeline, is likely Seed but its sequel was a mess as the whole series wasn't exactly thought out! For a outer space, anime, I would recomend legend of Galatic heroes, telling the story of a major intergalatic war between two factions of humans and the story of two men who are rivals as commanders of their respected sides forces, its a bit like Star Wars, minus the aliens and the force, plus all of the wierd ships, as its miltray forces plus politcal stuff, its a pretty engrossing story if you like that sort of thing
@@superomegaprimemk2 In terms of storytelling and the number of merchandise sold, I think Gundam is the more appropriate counterpart to Star Wars than LOGH. The counterparts of LOGH in terms of storytelling and mindbogglingly complex politics is the Dune series. Both have little to no aliens and the series end up killing its main character to move the story and their society forward.
"Lucas took a similar I'm-making-this-up-as-I-Go approach" while this has a kernel of truth, that wrong, he changed stuff as he went along, but didn't went "I do what I want, they'll figure it out! I don't care I`m making a movie for ME" approach. Whatever choice he made, he thought of the impact and how he could follow through.
It’s also worth noting no one, not even Lucas, thought Star Wars would sell. It’s why he kept all the rights. The studio had no faith. It was a passion project for him. He went on vacation and saw a line at a theater. When he asked what they were in line for, he was excitedly told Star Wars. And the rest is history.
Lucas always had direction, so even when he changed his mind, he still had a general idea of where he wanted the story to go rather than being completely lost and flailing about. He always had a vision, something Kathleen Kennedy should’ve been providing. Another thing Lucas had was time, which also screwed over the Sequel Trilogy. Every movie in both the OT and Prequels released 3 years after each other. That’s enough time for any changes to be properly integrated into the overall narrative. The Sequels, meanwhile, only had 2 years between each release, with a spinoff in between them so there was one Star Wars movie every year. That means the creators had one less year to integrate any changes, while also being distracted by a spinoff movie in between.
KK must have a deep, deep hatred for Lucas, Spielberg, and/or Marshall to intentionally destroy their works. It wasn’t just a lack of talent, it was diabolically malicious.
"Kathleen Kennedy, who has managed to get her name attached to some of our most-loved blockbusters." fify They tried to portray it as if she somehow created those great movies, when there's no evidence she has a creative bone in her body. Her only talents are credit-grabbing and blame-avoidance. Office politics, at the root.
From what I heard, he was supposed to be quite capable originally. But China hates black people so he had to be shrunk on Chinese posters and pushed out of the limelight in the movies. Gotta get that China money!
Small but easy and significant way of improving the Disney movies would have been making Finn the lead Jedi instead of Rey. It wouldn't have saved the movies but it would have made them less bad.
@@SpaceJawa At the very least he should have had a story arc where he actually had to overcome the ideas instilled in him. Instead he was comic relief.
This is DEFINITELY an underrated narrative about Outlaws. Sure the game itself sucks, but bad games sell loads if people want them. The Star Wars brand itself can no longer be trusted to sell a product like it used to.
What fans really need is an article about the level of cope surrounding Disney and their Shills. How did these two groups coldly ignore their own customers to drive the most beloved scifi brand into the ground? You could write a book on that question.
Only now are they asking that... ONLY NOW?! This franchise has been on free fall from 2017, and it has gotten worse with each year... One will have thought that after the Hotel, they would have said that was enough.
While I despise JarJar, I think it wouldn't have been as bad as it was if they just had JarJar made one clear trilogy. Still bad but not Last Jedi bad.
It probably would have been more coherent and with an original villain instead of "somehow palpatine returned".. I know that was Jar Jar doing, but only because Rian destroyed his "OC" villains
I’m still baffled that they started out to make a trilogy without a plan. I know Lucas did with the OG, but they aren’t Lucas and he had no idea that Star Wars would take off. No one did.
I despise Jar Jar as well, he took the two most popular sci-fi franchises, and tanked them both, and completely ruining canon while he was at it. His own work didn't suck, he should have just stuck with that.
@@saltyk9869 Lucas wasn't entirely without a plan. The original trilogy is basically a heavily changed version of what he originally wanted to do with the first movie before it became clear that it was too much for a single film, so he took the first third and made a movie out of just that. That's basically why Return of the Jedi has a second Death Star - because Lucas wanted the Death Star for the finale of the original story, but since he'd already destroyed it in the first movie, he gave the Empire a second Death Star so he could still have it for the grand finale the way he wanted to from the beginning.
@@SpaceJawa Not to mention it’s common for trilogies to have an original installment that stood alone as a story, and then a coherent trilogy was built out of it after it was popular and there was clearly more demand than for a single sequel. That usually entails the original having a lot of meat to the world and characters. That’s pretty different than a planned trilogy that isn’t planned whatsoever, just leaning on mystery boxes and, “I guess we’ll see what happens next,” because the audience is loaded with good will.
Hold the fuck up…you mean to have me believe, right, that if I’m a business, and I throw two middle fingers in the air like I just don’t care at my customers…I’ll LOSE MONEY????
“A dormant franchise” … “…and obviously we have hundreds of books and comics and everything you could possibly imagine, so I kind of moved that treasure trove of stories and things to Kathy you know and I have complete confidence she is going to take them and make great movies…” George Lucas 2012 interview ‘Dormant’ indeed…🤦♂️
To The Hollywood Reporter and Kathleen Kennedy, somebody once said "Go anywhere in the world and ask someone about Star Wars and they will name you, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Darth Vader, Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, C3 Po, R2 D2 etc nobody will mention your Star Wars characters.." along with this video by ME keep this in mind, the attempt to kill off the first three films, with "The Force is female T-shirts" films has failed.
The only original Disney Scifi is The Black Hole and Tron. And I hope they don't make any more sequels until they clean house. I know a tron sequel is in the works. I hope it doesn't make it.
It's been awesome getting so many uploads from Midnight's Edge in the past week. Thank you for the hard work. I realize keeping up this pace requires a lot of work, but I hope this continues into the following weeks.
The coping and seething from the lame stream media is absolutely insane 😂😂 I any case their input is less and less important and influential as we enter the age of truth!
"Glowing reviews from critics".... critics are few and far between these days. We have people with opinions, often whose income / influence depends on supporting studios. If the studios go broke, they will jump onto another bandwagon.
a Hollywood reporter writing about what's obvious knowledge outside the Bubble, is like a little child drawing with a crayon you don´t expect a masterpiece, you´re already happy if it doesn't stab its own eye or eat that thing.
Oddly, this reminds me of how military hierarchies can form where the underlings never tell their bosses just how bad things have gotten. I can't help but wonder if the people currently in power (Iger, KK, etc.) are even aware how much they and their creations are hated.
At this point, to me, there are only 6 total star ears film, and 6 seasons of an animated clone wars show. Outside of that, there IS NO star wars, so...
"The Power of One, the Power of Two, the Power of Many." Too bad they forgot the many and instead chose to make shows for one or two, so the great majority of the many have moved on.
The Hollywood Reporter was never going to bite a studios hand, just adjust the framing. More post-modernist narrative control for their audience rather than dealing with reality.
Basically the entire article is: "Star Wars has a problem, but in this 10 years, we still don't know why..." All while they try to desperately hid Kathleen Kennedy behind a burnt curtain.
Remember, pointing out problems with modern entertainment makes you a racist, or sexist, or homophobe or similar. So they can't point out the real problems, because they'll get the same name-calling. Instead, they have to pretend that nobody can put their finger on the issue.
On the Han/Kylo sequence from TFA, I will defend that there are a couple of specific shots whose the visual and composition are exceptional (that one wide shot that I would've liked to get as a painting) - but the *sequence* not so much. It's also worth considering that we're now living in an era where the biggest indicator of success in a product is the relative success of the *previous* installment, which means that the standard metrics of sales and box office don't *really* work
So, to report, basically, for this media, is saying half truth and hide the other one for convenience. Censor the part were fans became scapegoats to divert attention from their failures at creation and their missplaced agenda.
If Disney were smart, they’d have drafted a contract with Kathleen that directly tied her salary to the performance of Disneys stock. The reason she had no problem burning Lucas Films to the ground was because there were no consequences for her, personally.
Nobody seems to understand what seems obvious to me regarding why the movie mess happened. People talk about trilogies. A normal trilogy is 3 movies (or books etc) which are one story with a beginning, a middle and an end. All wrapped up at the end of number 3. They stand alone and together as a unit. But this "trilogy" was never meant that way. They did a trilogy because (a) trilogies are popular and sound cool and (b) Star Wars "does trilogies". But The Force awakens was not, and was never intended to be, the first movie of a trilogy in terms of form. This was JJ Abrams. It was a pilot episode for a series of unlimited length. That's why he was only going to do the first one, the pilot. To deliver, for Disney, a setup which would pass the torch to a new set of heroes who would then go off and have adventures for the unspecified future in an open ended series of movies which, purely for the reasons I just stated would be arbitrarily grouped into faux "trilogies". So what Kennedy thought she was going to do was ask different directors and writers to produce future instalments about our new heroes and get some buzz by awarding these movies to bright new talents like Johnson which would provide some artistic cred to the series and hopefully make it more sustainable than if she had journeyman directors just doing "another Star Wars". (She could also impose her own Woke ideas from above, but that's another issue). But the first such movie out of the gate screwed the pooch by breaking apart Abrams's series set up, breaking his "mystery" (Rey's parents), his villain (Snoke) and his first arc (Luke found and passes the torch to Rey). Once the backlash started Abrams was called back as an emergency with the sudden need to wrap this sh*t up like it's an actual trilogy (which it never was) and the resulting 3rd movie was a sad mess. But the main point is that there were no trilogy plans because it was never supposed to be a real trilogy in the first place. TFA was just a pilot movie. And not a particularly good one either, in retrospect.
First new Star wars after a decade and also after Lucas sold the property when Prequel hate was at its height. Makes sense why it sold out so well. Ironically, the one thing the Sequels did was make people appreciate the Prequels more.
Rogue One and the first two seasons of the mandalorian were the only watchable things Disney had produced. They’re not spectacular just watchable. Everything else seems to be produced by people who either don’t understand what star wars is or don’t understand what a good story is. Shock that who ever was in-charge wasn’t fired after one or two failures. It’s unreal that anyone is employed at Lucasfilm.
The only thing that would bring ME back is if they flush the entire writing team and the production execs, and they scrub everything in the movie timeline starting with Force Awakens. From TV, scrub The Acolyte and Obi-Wan, keeping only Andor and S1-2 of Mandalorian. Replace Kathleen with Timothy Zahn. Not gonna happen, of course.
It's been over since TFA. I myself just didn't realize it until TLJ. The death blow was dismissing the E.U. Time of death was officially announced upon the release of TFA.
I sometimes wonder who actually reads those websites. Who opens their browser in the morning and goes to the Hollywood Reporter or the Mary Sue and thinks that's good entertainment?
The Mary Sue doesn't apply here, but THR and a few others are used to disseminate among actors, producers and everyone else in Hollywood the accepted talking points and narratives are.
What was the marketing point of 'The Force is female"? If you were an antagonistic High School girl, I can understand the motivation. If you are in charge of a billion dollar franchise, telling your existing audience 'all your base are belong to us', what is the purpose? If it's not motivated by making the franchise you are in charge of successful, then what are you doing? If you look at it from the point of people selling merchandise, if the franchise you are licensing is being destroyed by the people in charge of that franchise, does this decrease the value of the license?
Dei-sney is a company, a business. Iger and Fink did this to Dei-sney. Dei-sney didn't mutilate itself, it was butchered by those paid to protect and guide it
Nah, The second it becomes not good I stopped watching and buying. Not good = no money. They can't go back to Rey, she is such a terribly written character there is no path forward with her.
Y’know I had a theory that she was Luke’s daughter. That Luke withdrew because he didn’t want to kill his nephew and because he thought his daughter was dead. That Kylo was the one who left her on that planet (which is why he had a reaction to “there was a girl”). Instead.. we got hermit Luke, she’s not special, and Luke trying to kill a 12 year old even though he refused to kill Space Hitler. Clearly my ideas were bad.
Rey stating the Millennium Falcon is garbage encapsulates how Disney looked upon the IP as it was, which is what the fans came for. What followed from that situation is what made fans abandon SW. No, the garbage of Disney will definitely not do.
Isnt entertainment weekly owned by disney? This is like a corrupt police force coming out and saying "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" its a friggin joke. The answers have been staring them in the face for litteral decades and all they could do is say "those are legends now, they dont exist".
It's been all these years and all these projects and not a single one has even come close to Knights of the Old Republic 2, an unfinished game made in like a year who's biggest claim to fame is a mouthpiece character that tries to deconstruct the entire mythos and concludes that The Force has to be destroyed.
“We investigated ourselves and we’ve concluded that we’ve done nothing wrong” It’s all well and good but the bottom line is that they can’t make us watch and they can’t make us spend. Sure, they can chide and sneer and slander us like a scorned ex wife but they can’t force us to do what they actually need; but their product and talk about it.
Apathy and disinterest? By Sithis these people are years behind on the news! We know they actively avoid fan opinions, but this requires a systemic delusion to ignore such blatant facts!
Disney/Star Wars is all feminist Star Wars starting with Rogue-one. Every show and movie is female focused. Even the Mandalorian was emasculated by making a female Katie Sack off the Mandalorian instead of the guy.
It took them THAT LONG for them to finally ask it?!
You cannot safely question religious dogma.
Cause they didn't get its usual paycheck of the month
Imagine how long it will take for them to honestly answer it.
That long to be ALLOWED to ask!
And they were still too gutless to make an honest assessment of the situation. The Hollywood Reporter is trash just like Hollywood itself. If we want good content, we’re gonna have to watch old Hollywood films, foreign film markets, independent creators, or make our OWN entertainment.
not going to lie, I use to have a rebel symbol painted on my vehicles hood, I bought star wars toys, star wars legos, cups, shirts, games and for sure went to see or watch every single movie, I bought disney+ back in the day for star wars. I remember leaving theaters after the first new mouse movie and going "well that was just sort of like a new hope...but ok lets see where this goes" and just every project slowly building disappointment to outright anger and finally now apathy. I grew up memorizing the source books and I literally have two bookshelves full of the "EU" books, and when i overheard my wife talking to a friend about my birthday, and the topic of star wars popped up, and she went "oh yeah he doesn't really care about star wars anymore" it hit me like a brick in the chest, I don't, I don't even watch the new stuff, let alone buy anything, Hell I hardly click on these videos anymore covering it. it makes me sad to think about that in totality here but yeah its dead.
Same with me. Many old books, toys and memories, all in the past, now just apathy.
You’re not alone
Well it’s about time to move forward with a better franchise that is healthy! Universal and other non woke studios have good franchises
Have a very similar story to yours. While studying I was playing semi professional Rugby, so I often couldn't go out on Friday nights. I remember spending my Friday nights sitting in the university library reading Wookiepedia article after article until it was time to go to bed.
"Apathy is death" - Kreia, an actual good Star Wars character in the death of Star Wars
Well, I guess they had to write something. When it all falls apart they can point to this article and say, "See we told you so."
I wish I had something deep to say. I don't. I love Chato. Fake karate
Well yes Disney screwed up Star Wars. Just by turning it into a streaming content farm. With bonus woke agendas.
Except that in this article they refuse to acknowledge that it's failing and they refuse to acknowledges the real reasons why it's failing. This is another bullshit deflective article.
Of course. Everybody gotta be ready to catch farts for an eventual new regime.
This got written now because it's finally ok to tell some truth about the state of starwars in the industry.
The is the first pebble of the coming landslide of industry insiders dunking on star wars and the current KK leadership.
This is good, KK is finally on an outward trajectory from lucasfilm.
One still hears talk about “course correction,” when the ship has already hit the iceberg-it just takes time to sink.
Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy and basically every woke hire involved drove the titanic into the iceberg repeatedly.
@@DigiAkuma And then they chastized the fans who got into the lifeboats instead of going down with the ship.
They’ll leave the workers in the boiler room trying to get things going regardless (to their demise). I speak of the journalists.
Hell NO! Disney is bad at everything.
Its not Disney that bad at everything, its the Bob Iger company is bad at everything!!
@@superomegaprimemk2 True. Disney died some time ago.
@@superomegaprimemk2 Bingo
Star Wars survived the 17-year content drought.
It survived the prequels.
It survived The Holiday Special
It has been slaughtered and reduced to a zombies by DisnESG.
Enough said.
"Survived the Prequels"
Frankly, I think it's worth questioning how much of the Prequel hate was genuine and how much was generated by the same media that tried to prop up the Disneyverse, especially given that the Prequels as a setting kept generating projects that the fans enjoyed.
If the Prequels had truly damaged Star Wars, I'm not sure Disney would have been interested in purchasing Lucasfilm in the first place.
@@SpaceJawathe prequels were good concept and all but very poorly done. The acting and directing were really bad at times and the massive amount of CG and filming in front of green screen didn’t age as good as the originals did.
Lord of the rings came out the same time as them and put them to shame back then.
@@SpaceJawa No, the prequels were pretty bad. They're still Schindler's list compared with most of what Disney has shat out.
@@gnarlin4964 I question how bad they really were given that there's no indication that they ever actually hurt the franchise and that Lucas was even able to capitalize on the prequel era.
@@SpaceJawa They weren't franchise ruingly bad like what Disney has done, but they were bad.
The trades are only a decade behind the time, but at least even they are catching up.
They're not "catching up", they are reorienting their sails, because they can't BS people anymore into making them believe the ship is moving when it's actually standing still. Also, trying to peddle lies is starting to have financial consequences, so now that it's "safe" to acknowledge the obvious, NOW they are doing so.
In five more years they may actually figure out why Star Wars has floundered. Or at least that it has floundered in the first place. Baby steps.
@@saltyk9869 Five years, they'll get the rude awakening during that time, when the next movie fails to break even!
I'm always disgusted by this desire to pretend the EU never existed. The franchise was *dormant* for decades??? The franchise was filled with books, graphic novels, ttrpgs, and video games that all connected together. Events and characters introduced in the fps Dark Forces, a game released in the '90s, would be seen in each of it's sequels all the way up to the early 2000's. Mara Jade, who would become Luke's wife in the books, was playable in the Dark Forces 2 expansion. The EU existing and thriving is WHY Star Wars continued to grow despite the lack of theatrical releases and is the real reason the brand was ever worth the 4 billion dollar price tag.
Absolutely, and they had stories for movies for decades if they wanted. What really pisses me off is the EU, the authors had to get buy off from Lucasfilm, and the authors made sure that their stories were coherent to each other, sure you can create a new character, but just make sure that it makes sense in the larger universe. What was the point of making them "Legends", when you are basically starting up a whole new EU, when the old one was perfectly fine. I think I have most of the original EU books, after Disney butchered the new movies, I haven't bought a book since.
And yet, in retrospect, Disney ditching the EU was a blessing in disguise for the fans; Disney's too busy ruining its own stuff rather than ruining the stuff the fans actually enjoyed, and it makes it easier to separate the two versions.
Exactly. The EU was my fandom.
Remember how J-Law thought that she was the first female action hero?
Have you seen the Acolyte actor who thinks Anakin blew up the Death Star?
The Acolyte actress who thought she was the first F-type "powerful leaduh, Yass, yass!"
That's how much they know... correction... DON'T know.
They are coming into something, trying to take over... when they know *nothing* about it... not even the most basic things.
@@SpaceJawayeah that’s true.
The bigger question is: Is Disney slowly destroying everything? And I think the answer is yes, they own too many IP’s now and they only release good films occasionally, internal ideologies are most likely to blame
I think one of the problems is that the company is FAR to big for its own good and would be better off if it was broken up and sold in chunks, getting the IPs out of the bubble of stupidy that has taken over the company and shut down Disney plus and shift its good content to Netflix, while leaving the trash to be thrown in the incinerator of tax write offs and claw back lost revenune from the overpaided execs, like Iger!
Wait...... Now they ask?!!
We've known this since 2015!!
I wish i could forget what i have seen from Kennedy, Johnson and Abraham! 😱
Then go and watch something good that kicks out the junk and fills it with good stuff, good example, One piece or some other animes!
Try watching the gundam series then. It has enough catalogue of series and movies to make you forget the bitterness of what Kennedy, johnson and Abrams had done. It is essentially the Japanese counterpart of America Star wars and is much more loved by its creator and caretaker than star wars had ever been.
@@gregorysaugustine5236 I seen a lot of the Gundam series, not all of them, but a large chunk, yet the most resent series, really went downhill in terms of story, it was a complete mess that made very little sense, compared to what came before, I think Gundam peek in the post original timeline, is likely Seed but its sequel was a mess as the whole series wasn't exactly thought out!
For a outer space, anime, I would recomend legend of Galatic heroes, telling the story of a major intergalatic war between two factions of humans and the story of two men who are rivals as commanders of their respected sides forces, its a bit like Star Wars, minus the aliens and the force, plus all of the wierd ships, as its miltray forces plus politcal stuff, its a pretty engrossing story if you like that sort of thing
@@superomegaprimemk2 In terms of storytelling and the number of merchandise sold, I think Gundam is the more appropriate counterpart to Star Wars than LOGH.
The counterparts of LOGH in terms of storytelling and mindbogglingly complex politics is the Dune series. Both have little to no aliens and the series end up killing its main character to move the story and their society forward.
@@gregorysaugustine5236 I wasn't even considering mech and stuff, it was purely on the story merits
"If"...
They should instead ask "how" and "why".
*_There's_* the news Hollywood needs to hear, in autistic detail.
Step 1: Acknowledge "Yes and..."
Step 2: proceed to write a whole article on "No, actually..."
"Lucas took a similar I'm-making-this-up-as-I-Go approach" while this has a kernel of truth, that wrong, he changed stuff as he went along, but didn't went "I do what I want, they'll figure it out! I don't care I`m making a movie for ME" approach. Whatever choice he made, he thought of the impact and how he could follow through.
It’s also worth noting no one, not even Lucas, thought Star Wars would sell. It’s why he kept all the rights. The studio had no faith. It was a passion project for him. He went on vacation and saw a line at a theater. When he asked what they were in line for, he was excitedly told Star Wars. And the rest is history.
Lucas always had direction, so even when he changed his mind, he still had a general idea of where he wanted the story to go rather than being completely lost and flailing about. He always had a vision, something Kathleen Kennedy should’ve been providing.
Another thing Lucas had was time, which also screwed over the Sequel Trilogy. Every movie in both the OT and Prequels released 3 years after each other. That’s enough time for any changes to be properly integrated into the overall narrative. The Sequels, meanwhile, only had 2 years between each release, with a spinoff in between them so there was one Star Wars movie every year. That means the creators had one less year to integrate any changes, while also being distracted by a spinoff movie in between.
Disney Star Wars is going to go down in history as the epitome of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Star Wars and New Coke
@@theevermind They at least admitted that they messed up with New Coke and fixed it.
Don't let a whamenist have any creative control over a male-oriented franchise.
KK must have a deep, deep hatred for Lucas, Spielberg, and/or Marshall to intentionally destroy their works. It wasn’t just a lack of talent, it was diabolically malicious.
"Kathleen Kennedy, who has managed to get her name attached to some of our most-loved blockbusters."
fify
They tried to portray it as if she somehow created those great movies, when there's no evidence she has a creative bone in her body. Her only talents are credit-grabbing and blame-avoidance. Office politics, at the root.
I cringe so hard everytime i read her name in an old movie like "Back to the future" .
They made Finn into a blubbering idiot and then blamed the reactions on the public +++++ much more
From what I heard, he was supposed to be quite capable originally. But China hates black people so he had to be shrunk on Chinese posters and pushed out of the limelight in the movies. Gotta get that China money!
Small but easy and significant way of improving the Disney movies would have been making Finn the lead Jedi instead of Rey.
It wouldn't have saved the movies but it would have made them less bad.
Finn SHOULD have been like Kurt Russell in Soldier. Lacking in social skills, but KNOWS something is wrong in the Empire
@@SpaceJawa At the very least he should have had a story arc where he actually had to overcome the ideas instilled in him. Instead he was comic relief.
This is DEFINITELY an underrated narrative about Outlaws. Sure the game itself sucks, but bad games sell loads if people want them. The Star Wars brand itself can no longer be trusted to sell a product like it used to.
Ironic that the article itself does the same thing they open with.
"Disney is trash, and that trash will do." - Hollywood reporter.
What fans really need is an article about the level of cope surrounding Disney and their Shills. How did these two groups coldly ignore their own customers to drive the most beloved scifi brand into the ground? You could write a book on that question.
This. People still wonder how much of that was intentional, because how much Disney is out of touch with reality.
And this is why reading mainstream media is a waste of time.. 😐
You can't be good at something you hate. Disney hates Star Wars. Enough Said.
The BS is strong in The Hollywood Reporter
Hey, can you smell it, yet it smells like 💩💩💩
Only now are they asking that... ONLY NOW?! This franchise has been on free fall from 2017, and it has gotten worse with each year... One will have thought that after the Hotel, they would have said that was enough.
While I despise JarJar, I think it wouldn't have been as bad as it was if they just had JarJar made one clear trilogy. Still bad but not Last Jedi bad.
It probably would have been more coherent and with an original villain instead of "somehow palpatine returned".. I know that was Jar Jar doing, but only because Rian destroyed his "OC" villains
I’m still baffled that they started out to make a trilogy without a plan. I know Lucas did with the OG, but they aren’t Lucas and he had no idea that Star Wars would take off. No one did.
I despise Jar Jar as well, he took the two most popular sci-fi franchises, and tanked them both, and completely ruining canon while he was at it. His own work didn't suck, he should have just stuck with that.
@@saltyk9869 Lucas wasn't entirely without a plan. The original trilogy is basically a heavily changed version of what he originally wanted to do with the first movie before it became clear that it was too much for a single film, so he took the first third and made a movie out of just that.
That's basically why Return of the Jedi has a second Death Star - because Lucas wanted the Death Star for the finale of the original story, but since he'd already destroyed it in the first movie, he gave the Empire a second Death Star so he could still have it for the grand finale the way he wanted to from the beginning.
@@SpaceJawa Not to mention it’s common for trilogies to have an original installment that stood alone as a story, and then a coherent trilogy was built out of it after it was popular and there was clearly more demand than for a single sequel. That usually entails the original having a lot of meat to the world and characters. That’s pretty different than a planned trilogy that isn’t planned whatsoever, just leaning on mystery boxes and, “I guess we’ll see what happens next,” because the audience is loaded with good will.
Hold the fuck up…you mean to have me believe, right, that if I’m a business, and I throw two middle fingers in the air like I just don’t care at my customers…I’ll LOSE MONEY????
“A dormant franchise” …
“…and obviously we have
hundreds of books and comics and everything you could possibly imagine, so I kind of moved that treasure trove of stories and things to Kathy you know and I have complete confidence she is going to take them and make great movies…” George Lucas 2012 interview
‘Dormant’ indeed…🤦♂️
H R: Star Wars doesn't suck, it's the fans who are wrong.
If Kennedy had been put in charge of Spielberg's legacy she would have had Schindler's List colorized.
In Schindler 2, Schindler would be upstaged by a slim, young brunette woman with a British accent, because that happens in every KK movie.
To The Hollywood Reporter and Kathleen Kennedy, somebody once said "Go anywhere in the world and ask someone about Star Wars and they will name you, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Darth Vader, Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, C3 Po, R2 D2 etc nobody will mention your Star Wars characters.." along with this video by ME keep this in mind, the attempt to kill off the first three films, with "The Force is female T-shirts" films has failed.
Everything Disney touch turns to shit.
The only original Disney Scifi is The Black Hole and Tron. And I hope they don't make any more sequels until they clean house.
I know a tron sequel is in the works. I hope it doesn't make it.
Why are they "asking"? It's an obvious case: Star Wars has been losing money FOR YEARS.
They could bring Carrie Fisher back from the dead, do the scene everyone wanted, with Han, Luke, Leia . . . and still no one would care, anymore.
It's been awesome getting so many uploads from Midnight's Edge in the past week. Thank you for the hard work. I realize keeping up this pace requires a lot of work, but I hope this continues into the following weeks.
It doesn't matter. Disney has an agenda they don't care how much they lose in money. The agenda is a priority .
woke culture inside disney led to failure
As I've been saying and doing for years: there's been so much bad Star Wars put out there that I only rewatch Star Wars (1977).
The coping and seething from the lame stream media is absolutely insane 😂😂 I any case their input is less and less important and influential as we enter the age of truth!
How is it even a question at this point?
"Glowing reviews from critics".... critics are few and far between these days. We have people with opinions, often whose income / influence depends on supporting studios. If the studios go broke, they will jump onto another bandwagon.
The hotel, the sequel travesty, The Acolyte....
... the list goes on! 😏👌
It was all over for KK when she made the hacker kid in Jurassic Park the girl character instead of the boy like in the book.
Hollywood Reporter kudos. My take away is wondering whether or not Ughyur slaves would have made better star wars products.
a Hollywood reporter writing about what's obvious knowledge outside the Bubble,
is like a little child drawing with a crayon
you don´t expect a masterpiece, you´re already happy if it doesn't stab its own eye or eat that thing.
Oddly, this reminds me of how military hierarchies can form where the underlings never tell their bosses just how bad things have gotten. I can't help but wonder if the people currently in power (Iger, KK, etc.) are even aware how much they and their creations are hated.
Disney has the modern audience. They are doing just fine. :)
At this point, to me, there are only 6 total star ears film, and 6 seasons of an animated clone wars show. Outside of that, there IS NO star wars, so...
Fans saw this coming years ago. Right after The Last Jedi.
They are only about 8 years late in asking this question, as they were too busy blaming toxic fans fir the poor quality of their programing.
Thank you for speaking the truth Midnights Edge. I am always excited to see a new video!
"The Power of One, the Power of Two, the Power of Many." Too bad they forgot the many and instead chose to make shows for one or two, so the great majority of the many have moved on.
The Hollywood Reporter was never going to bite a studios hand, just adjust the framing.
More post-modernist narrative control for their audience rather than dealing with reality.
Basically the entire article is: "Star Wars has a problem, but in this 10 years, we still don't know why..." All while they try to desperately hid Kathleen Kennedy behind a burnt curtain.
“Holding women to standards makes you an incel or something”- journos
Remember, pointing out problems with modern entertainment makes you a racist, or sexist, or homophobe or similar. So they can't point out the real problems, because they'll get the same name-calling. Instead, they have to pretend that nobody can put their finger on the issue.
On the Han/Kylo sequence from TFA, I will defend that there are a couple of specific shots whose the visual and composition are exceptional (that one wide shot that I would've liked to get as a painting) - but the *sequence* not so much. It's also worth considering that we're now living in an era where the biggest indicator of success in a product is the relative success of the *previous* installment, which means that the standard metrics of sales and box office don't *really* work
The Real Question is - "Is the Hollywood reporter bad at understanding entertainment?"
Yes....yes they are.
So, to report, basically, for this media, is saying half truth and hide the other one for convenience. Censor the part were fans became scapegoats to divert attention from their failures at creation and their missplaced agenda.
as long as blackrock (et. al.)has anything to do with Disney content, it will continue to suck out loud. DEI and the message is killing Disney.
Disney can do good Star Wars. 99.9% has been pure shit BUT the Dart Vader scene in Rogue One is probably the best ever.
Star Wars has failed so consistently lately that continuing to promote Star Wars makes the promoters (namely, The Hollywood Reporter) look like fools
If Disney were smart, they’d have drafted a contract with Kathleen that directly tied her salary to the performance of Disneys stock. The reason she had no problem burning Lucas Films to the ground was because there were no consequences for her, personally.
Who owns the Hollywood reporter?
Joint operation between Penske and some holding company.
@@Deridus it’s all financed by same shadowy international bankers
❤100 percent, Andre!🎉
How can Disney give fans Star Wars content for “decades” when they have only been releasing content for 12 years?
I take offense at the idea that I could have done what Kennedy did producing movies with Lucas and Spielberg. I could have made better coffee.
7:48 There is no such thing as toxic fans. There are only unsatisfied customers.
Anyone else think he sounds like Anton Chigurh? Love the vids!
Nobody seems to understand what seems obvious to me regarding why the movie mess happened. People talk about trilogies. A normal trilogy is 3 movies (or books etc) which are one story with a beginning, a middle and an end. All wrapped up at the end of number 3. They stand alone and together as a unit. But this "trilogy" was never meant that way. They did a trilogy because (a) trilogies are popular and sound cool and (b) Star Wars "does trilogies". But The Force awakens was not, and was never intended to be, the first movie of a trilogy in terms of form. This was JJ Abrams. It was a pilot episode for a series of unlimited length. That's why he was only going to do the first one, the pilot. To deliver, for Disney, a setup which would pass the torch to a new set of heroes who would then go off and have adventures for the unspecified future in an open ended series of movies which, purely for the reasons I just stated would be arbitrarily grouped into faux "trilogies".
So what Kennedy thought she was going to do was ask different directors and writers to produce future instalments about our new heroes and get some buzz by awarding these movies to bright new talents like Johnson which would provide some artistic cred to the series and hopefully make it more sustainable than if she had journeyman directors just doing "another Star Wars". (She could also impose her own Woke ideas from above, but that's another issue). But the first such movie out of the gate screwed the pooch by breaking apart Abrams's series set up, breaking his "mystery" (Rey's parents), his villain (Snoke) and his first arc (Luke found and passes the torch to Rey). Once the backlash started Abrams was called back as an emergency with the sudden need to wrap this sh*t up like it's an actual trilogy (which it never was) and the resulting 3rd movie was a sad mess.
But the main point is that there were no trilogy plans because it was never supposed to be a real trilogy in the first place. TFA was just a pilot movie. And not a particularly good one either, in retrospect.
I've still not watched the rise of Skywalker
And never will and I will take this to my grave
Nor have I.
Still don’t know how the force awakens was successful. I left pissed that I had wasted my money and time. It’s laughingly bad.
First new Star wars after a decade and also after Lucas sold the property when Prequel hate was at its height. Makes sense why it sold out so well.
Ironically, the one thing the Sequels did was make people appreciate the Prequels more.
3:13. To quote Toya from Mha “ the past never dies”.
Bad? Did they finally removed that rock, they hid under...
Yes...yes they have.
Rogue One and the first two seasons of the mandalorian were the only watchable things Disney had produced. They’re not spectacular just watchable. Everything else seems to be produced by people who either don’t understand what star wars is or don’t understand what a good story is. Shock that who ever was in-charge wasn’t fired after one or two failures. It’s unreal that anyone is employed at Lucasfilm.
The only thing that would bring ME back is if they flush the entire writing team and the production execs, and they scrub everything in the movie timeline starting with Force Awakens. From TV, scrub The Acolyte and Obi-Wan, keeping only Andor and S1-2 of Mandalorian.
Replace Kathleen with Timothy Zahn.
Not gonna happen, of course.
Apathy is good audience reviews on RT but very low viewing figures. Frankly, SW is no longer even worth typing up an angry review.
It's been over since TFA. I myself just didn't realize it until TLJ.
The death blow was dismissing the E.U. Time of death was officially announced upon the release of TFA.
They were going to replace Mando with a female Mando? You don't say...
I sometimes wonder who actually reads those websites. Who opens their browser in the morning and goes to the Hollywood Reporter or the Mary Sue and thinks that's good entertainment?
The Mary Sue doesn't apply here, but THR and a few others are used to disseminate among actors, producers and everyone else in Hollywood the accepted talking points and narratives are.
@@MidnightsEdge Ah, I guess that makes sense. Thank you!
What was the marketing point of 'The Force is female"? If you were an antagonistic High School girl, I can understand the motivation. If you are in charge of a billion dollar franchise, telling your existing audience 'all your base are belong to us', what is the purpose? If it's not motivated by making the franchise you are in charge of successful, then what are you doing? If you look at it from the point of people selling merchandise, if the franchise you are licensing is being destroyed by the people in charge of that franchise, does this decrease the value of the license?
In The Force Awakens , Luke doesn't appear until the end and we had to wait 2 years to hear him speak in the Last Jedi
Dei-sney is a company, a business. Iger and Fink did this to Dei-sney. Dei-sney didn't mutilate itself, it was butchered by those paid to protect and guide it
Seems the money is running out!
Nah, The second it becomes not good I stopped watching and buying. Not good = no money. They can't go back to Rey, she is such a terribly written character there is no path forward with her.
Y’know I had a theory that she was Luke’s daughter. That Luke withdrew because he didn’t want to kill his nephew and because he thought his daughter was dead. That Kylo was the one who left her on that planet (which is why he had a reaction to “there was a girl”). Instead.. we got hermit Luke, she’s not special, and Luke trying to kill a 12 year old even though he refused to kill Space Hitler. Clearly my ideas were bad.
Yes, yes they did.
I have saved you 14 minutes of time
Essentially they’re saying ‘let’s just set our sights lower’ then.
Rey stating the Millennium Falcon is garbage encapsulates how Disney looked upon the IP as it was, which is what the fans came for. What followed from that situation is what made fans abandon SW. No, the garbage of Disney will definitely not do.
Isnt entertainment weekly owned by disney? This is like a corrupt police force coming out and saying "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" its a friggin joke. The answers have been staring them in the face for litteral decades and all they could do is say "those are legends now, they dont exist".
They suck at it. The did what the Empire couldnt do and that was Kill the force.
Great video, Andre
It's been all these years and all these projects and not a single one has even come close to Knights of the Old Republic 2, an unfinished game made in like a year who's biggest claim to fame is a mouthpiece character that tries to deconstruct the entire mythos and concludes that The Force has to be destroyed.
I love Disneys Titanic course correction...
I was completely after discovering Finn was not going to be a Jedi, just the token black comic relief.
KK chose to diversify the Star Wars we knew and transitioned it into something worse. She chose... poorly.
I once thought “How can you not like Star Wars?” Now I know.
“We investigated ourselves and we’ve concluded that we’ve done nothing wrong”
It’s all well and good but the bottom line is that they can’t make us watch and they can’t make us spend. Sure, they can chide and sneer and slander us like a scorned ex wife but they can’t force us to do what they actually need; but their product and talk about it.
Apathy and disinterest? By Sithis these people are years behind on the news! We know they actively avoid fan opinions, but this requires a systemic delusion to ignore such blatant facts!
Disney/Star Wars is all feminist Star Wars starting with Rogue-one.
Every show and movie is female focused.
Even the Mandalorian was emasculated by making a female Katie Sack off the Mandalorian instead of the guy.
Alot more stars wars? last I looked. People wanted good star wars, not alot more star wars. For most have quality standards.