BEST Ergonomic Mouse of 2024 - Logitech MX Ergo vs MX Vertical - Comparison Review
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- Logitech MX Ergo Trackball vs MX Vertical Ergonomic Mouse - Comparison Review - Best Ergonomic Mice of 2019?
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wow he even did it for 2024, wouldnt have realized if it wasnt for your comment
I am a graphic designer by profession. This video and a bunch of other articles and whatnot on the web helped me with my decision in ordering the MX Ergo Trackball. Thanks, mate!
Great review. I bought the MX ergo and fell in love with it. Can't see myself going back to a sensore mouse any time soon.
Also, what I find as an advantage for trackballs in an office setting is that you can actually place it between yourself and the keyboard, giving a more natural position for your shoulder ... but again, I'm one of those crazy people using an ergonomic keyboard....
Thank you your video helped a lot to decide for a new mouse. I have tendonitis and have already the MX Ergo at work. I thought about the vertical because for private use because sometimes i play a little bit games with it but now im sure i will get the Ergo and keep my MX Master if i really need it for non-work tasks.
This is exactly what I was looking for thank you!
Thanks for reviewing these both together. Though they're both pricey, some people may need both of these (particularly pro designers). One is great for design (MX Vertical), the other is better for things that require less hand movement that can be facilitated by a trackball (the Ergo). A pro might need both if they want to prevent pain in their hand, wrist, and arm. At least I've found that to be the case for me after researching these two over the last few days. I feel they're both different experiences.
I'm a designer, so I'm at my desktop designing most of the time, moving and dragging pixels across the screen. I don't like Waycom tablets because they're not practical for much other than illustration. I prefer a mouse that allows me to move and mimic drawing when needed (icons, illustrations, photo compositing, painting, etc). But on the other hand, if Im just browsing the web and don't need to mimic drawing gestures and just need to type (cursor adjustments, highlighting text) I'm using the Ergo with the trackball so that my hand and wrist don't move (mostly use the Ergo at home). BOTH save my hand/wrist from strain.
As a UX/UI Designer, I FEEL THIS. I just bought the MX Vertical, but now I really think I need the Ergo as well after seeing this video and NOW seeing your comment. Definitely, was thinking the same when clocking out just grab the ergo.
Im Architect, i buy the ergo , but thinking in buy the vertical TOo, do you recommend for my bones pain using both switching, or try to get used only
ergo?
@@archietech89 The trackball helps you select objects more accurately, but does this make you select things more slowly?
Great and comprehensive review! You have clarified really well the differences and I feel confident the ergo will be the better option for me! Fantastic!
Love that people are reviewing ergo mice! I'm so excited to see a new trackball as I need minimal movement of my wrist to keep my carpal tunnel from flaring. Definitely putting the mx ergo plus on my to buy list
I'm still using it today, the BEST ergo mouse on the market!!
@@MikeWat One thing what could be important as well. The Logitech Ergo doesn't support 3 devices with Logitech Flow. For some people maybe not a big deal but for me its important because the main reason i use logitech products is this feature. The MX Vertical is supporting all 3 devices like any other Logitech product with "Flow" Support. Its really sad you can use the Ergo just with 2 devices.
I've been using a trackball of the same form-factor for a good few years and it doesn't help the pain, just moves it somewhere else. Notably, right at the base of the thumb where it connects to the wrist. It's not any less impact than playing with a game controller for hours straight. Tips of the fingers start to go numb too after clicking a good bit, especially clicking the mmb.
great review! just what i needed, sold both on the mouse and your k810
I got the Logitech MX Vertical mouse too, I think a better way to hold it is to let your pinky finger (and the under side of your palm) rest on the desk, use your pinky as a ground support and move your mouse with other fingers, you will have much better time controlling it this way. ( as oppose to grabbing the entire mouse with your hand at 3:15)
I found the MX Vertical mouse very comfortable, if know how to adjust your body to make the best use of this design ~
Been using the MX Ergo for the past 2 months. Really loving it. It took a good 2-3 weeks for me to personally get used to it, but boy.... it's something.
haha, I could never go back to a normal after using the ergo :)
Awesome review, thank you so much. I'm buying the MX Ergo!
Thanks for the review. Personally, I've been using Kensington Slimblade for over a year and sold it. A very precise trackball, but really slow in Blender or in any shooter game. Operations like dragging or holding and dragging with a middle click were a pain. I wonder if it's equally inconvenient with MX ergo?
In the vertical position with the ergomouse, do you feel the same pression con your palm that you said with the vertical mouse?
Thanks. Good review. I have the M570 trackball and was flirting with switching to a vertical. After watching this and thinking about it, I realised just how much I love my trackball and the associated ergonomics. Love the addition of the adjustable plain. So am going with Ergo. Question: I have a spare Logitech unifying receiver. Can I use both, 1 for PC 1 for laptop etc?
For the ergo, do you need to install the software? Is it also Logitech options?
looking at reviews, Im pretty sure trackball would be nicer than vertical mouse, as we won't move as much with the trackball as compared to vertical mouse. how about against MX Master 3? is the trackball much better?
In terms of wireless connection, can I connect the Ergo using bluetooth directly or do I need to use the USB? Thanks
Thank you for your advice/review! I went to BestBuy to test the feel and I went for Ergo.
Nice review out there! You tried to explain minute things such as usability with pinky finger which matter on long term use.
Oh my gosh! I won! Thanks MW! I Literally liked before watching and also planned to stop by Best Buy tomorrow to check out both of the mouse's! Thank you!
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Awesome video!! Great and thorough information on both mice. I work in the 3D software Maya and have to do a lot of middle mouse button clicks constantly all day long. Which mouse in your opinion uses the least effort to click the middle mouse button?
Both are very good in this aspect. Maybe MX Vertical is a little better. Using the Ergo, when your hand is "resting" completely on the mouse (off the desk), the scroll is located more at your finger's second phalanx (intermediate phalanx), making the repeated middle clicking a bit unconfortable.
For the scroll to be "more clicky" - under your finger's 1st phalanx (distal phalanx) - you need to pull down the hand a bit off the mouse (putting the pisiform carpal bone at the desk as mentioned at 2:47 in this video) - which is how more people tend to use the mouse anyway, but you can feel even more the benefits of this mouse by getting used to rest the hand completely over it.
Hi. Excellent review. Thanks! Question - there's conflicting info out there on whether you can use the MX Ergo through USB wired connection. Your review says the USB on it is for charging only. Other places say you can use it through the "unifying" software... Which is true? Thank you!
Yes, you can use ergo through wired USB connection as well, forgot to mention that!
It would be great hear how it compares to MX master 3.
Good Review. Thank you!
Awesome review. Really informative!
Thanks for mentioning the buttons. Very few other sources mention them.
Thanks for the help, great tutorial!
Thanks for the review. Helped me decide against trackball.
This is a great video.! Thanks for sharing.! Question: I have lenovo lap top and lenovo keyboard, do you know if Logitech Ergo Mouse is compatible with them?
Do you know how one can set the up and down scroll speed with the wheel? I am looking everywhere and can not find that as a option.
Great video.. 😊 Can you please give hands on gaming review for both these devices??
Hi; on the Ergo's 'precision scrolling button' - is that a feature of the mouse or does it just turn on precision scrolling in Windows mouse settings? Thanks
2:47 The bone at the edge of your palm is resting on while using mouse is known as pisiform carpal..
I just picked up the MX Vertical. The moment I used it I realized that this will be an issue. I will be returning it tomorrow.
Olga Pajic Get the MX Ergo instead..you might want to but the Plus version as the price is same with standard version.
If you dont like the wedge that c/w with the Plus version, you still can keep it and use later. Cant do that with the standard version.
@@olgapajic7664 Same thing! Using it right now as we speak, and I already feel the friction....
YO! I totally didn't know my completely different mouse had a side scroll button. Excel will never be the same.... Mind blown.
Hi! I have had the Logitech MX vertical for a few months and I have started to develop some pain close to the thumb! I think the grip is really big for my small hands and it is causing it. Do you think I would benefit from switching to MX ergo?
try getting a 3m mousepad with gel wrist rest!
Super review Mike! What settings are you using for accuracy and speed etc? I find it a bit to sensitive at default speed but don't want to loose on speed and movement.
Just a bit below the middle :)
i think you got convinced me with the 2 o 3 times you said you loved the MX Ergo... and the the part "it's damn comfortable"
Thanks for the super helpful review :)
your video made me decide to buy the ergo trackball. thanks!
Very glad the vid helped :)
Thank you for this review!!
You don't need a keyboard to map the button on top of the mx vertical to scrolling. Just select "Gesture button" and either "pan" or custom and map the directions to the scroll actions depending on what you need.
Thanks, very clear !!
Great video! I just got an MX Vertical today and noticed that when I am gripping the mouse, it causes more strain for carpal tunnel because you almost have to squeeze the mouse by bringing the thumb in to a handshake grip. Did you feel the same way? After watching this video, I think I will exchange for an MX Ergo so it is more of an "open palm" grip. My main concern is eliminating wrist pain.
Or even the MX Master?
I think you're either using the mouse wrong, or your hand is not big enough then. Your meant to just slide yoir hand ind and move it around. I never grip mine and feel so much less strain, than if I'm using any other mouse. I also don't use my wrist to move the mouse, but more so my whole arm. That way, I relaxe more, and feel more confident in my precision with it. Hope it helps you a little.
totally agree, what I did was glue a ball of Styrofoam (previously cut and adapted). I did it to have more grip and I glued it with double-sided tape, this does not affect or damage the mouse and it feels like you are holding a ball with your hand at rest on the table.
I've been using the MX Vertical Mouse for almost 4 months now and definitely agree with:
1. Battery life great - this is nice for anyone who is a graphic designer or does architecture works like me for a long period of hours in a day AND who don't pay attention too much on charging it
2. Wrist Issue - it helped me a lot to reduce the pain I had on my wrist but I'd say it's not just about the mouse that you use. If you're like me who sits in front of a computer for a long period of time it's the proper exercise that will help you.
3. It feels cheap and hollow on my hand but it is very comfortable and it made me more productive with my work.
Other than that, Great review Mike Wat!
Care to elaborate on what the proper exercise is?
Fantastic review!
This is titled Best of 2022 but you uploaded this in 2019. Who do you think you are huh? Nostradamus??
You can scroll side-ways by pressing Shift+scroll wheel. Try it in a spreadsheet or web page.
Yeah. The bigger issue with me for the Vertical would be missing the infinite scroll. Now that I've been using that for a while, I'm not looking forward to missing it if I get the vertical. It might be worth it, though.
Hi MIke! Worried about the click issues with the vertical, and thinking the trackball will be hard to get used to. Do you think the max 3 is a good ergonomic mouse? I've had wrist pain....and am completely redoing my desk set-up with a stand.sit desk and keyboard tray to get a better position. Question...will the max 3 be a decent ergonomic mouse for me?
I recently bought the mx Ergo trackball just last week. Took a a day to get used to since i am used to using a mouse. After that, it is became natural to use. My wrist pain is gone and using the trackball is actually fun!
the new mx master 3 will be a good choice for you! :)
I needed this!! My wrist always hurts with my current mouse!
did it work for you?
What if you use the Logitech Vertical together with a mousepad with a gel wrist-pad? Then your wrist will rest comfortably while gripping the mouse. At least that’s what I hope for, as I already have that kind of mouse pad, and wait for the logitech vertical that I just ordered, also together with a logitech ergonomic keyboard as well.
Smart and concise analysis. Thanks.
Your video convinced me to give MX Ergo a try 🙌 For me the selling point was that you can adjust its angle
5:10 I always looked for a new mouse with tilt-scroll wheel... But in the end it is also ok to scroll normally with pressed Shift key. Works in spreadsheets, graphic editors, web, everywhere. Of course program tilt move for some action in Logi Options is different story.
Thanks, Mike.
When you select part of the screen for capture on a Mac, holding the space bar will let you adjust the upper left corner of the selection.
Thx for the review. I've just canceled the order of the MX Vertical and ordered MX Ergo )
Awesome review! I bought both and ended up returning the ergo one because the thumb usage felt like more pain to me. One of the few times I will disagree with you but amazing how this was the video I was exactly looking for
Dang I guess it ain't for everyone - I'm still using the ergo today! I guess there's some stress in learning the thumb movement in the first few days :P Check out the MX Masters though!
@@MikeWat You did a very good job providing a review. Persons with CMC joint arthritis (may not be able to tolerate the track ball. (CMC-carpometacarpal joint or thumb basal joint) Many people using a mouse all day irritate and inflame from age and could be over use. Predominant in women. Yet many men are affected as well with this type of thumb pain. The wonderful triangular bone at base of thumb becomes inflamed. So in essence, those folks may not be able to use the lovely trackball.
@@hattieharrigermason2592 yes thats what is wrong with my thumb!
@@stapp89 Thanjs for your comment. I feel your pain! I prefer a trackball. But, it’s now starting to cause irritation. Thinking of trying the very flat apple type mouse. Argh. Much prefer track ball.
I got the ergo because of horrible arthritis in my pointer and middle fingers. It was fine for a while but now my thumb is starting to hurt, a lot. Looking for an alternative if anyone has any.
Great review, one of the best I’ve seen on the MX Argo. My advice for future reviews is to drop the annoying music in the background. Why is it needed in a tech review?
your video is great and it took me out of the fix to decide which one to go,,,,After watching your video its clear that i should go Trackball mouse due to my wrist pain else i was about to order the vertical one,,,thanks for saving my time and few bucks...
You are welcome, glad to have helped! :) I'm still using the MX ergo today
I am going to give the track ball a go... I don't think I would have without this video
Glad I helped!
I am architect I still can't choose between two. Which one you suggest?
do they both support horizontal scrolling?
Hey Mike, What keyboard is that? :D
I'm still torn, but I really really liked your review
Excellent commentary, sir.
Thanks for the review. I can't see the plastic base in any of the product descriptions for the MX Ergo, which I find strange. I hope it still comes with it?
There is two versions. The plus come with the plastic base. You can make it with 3d printer. www.thingiverse.com/thing:2841421
One thing I love about the ergo is that I have a glass desk and I don't need any type of mousepad or anything to be able to use the mouse. I also love the trackball rather than just a standard mouse.
I've had an MX Vertical for just under two years. The left button is failing, effectively making it impossible to click and drag. The buttons feel pretty cheep and so whilst it's really disappointing, it's not really a surprise it failed so early.
Great review
I may give the trackball a go. Good review!
Thanks! The trackball is defs worth trying out :)
how do u know that it's already fully charged?
When I use my mouse side ways or hold it like that my wrist hurts when I use it normal it doesn't hurt.
Great comparison. Thanks.
Been using the M570 for years at work! Might be making a home office. If so, I'll be upgrading! I hate using a normal mouse these days. So used to the ball.
first of all: should i buy a vertical mouse? where is the video that can explain that to me?
My thumb joint (mcp) is already screwed from iPhone and iPad, so I don’t think if the trackball would be for me. I wish the vertical mouse had a side scroll similar to MX 3s.
I've used trackballs since around 1990 (granps talking). They used to be pretty horrible. The MX Ergo is by far, far, the best trackball I've EVER used. Its predecessor (M570) wasn't bad (and more hackable) but the programmability adds a new layer of functionality that makes my life much easier. And the comfort is just awesome.
I agree. I started using a trackman about 1990 and later switched to the M570. The M570 is super comfortable for long gaming sessions (12 hours per day). The big problem is the switches go bad quickly.
@@Stevenbellisle Yeah, mine have all died, went through four or five. The Ergo is still going strong after a year and a half, though, as tight as the day I bought it.
Another banger! Keep it up :p
Thanks Nick!! Remember to email me for the gift card! :)
Ordered the ergo for the office today.. i have a smaller laptop mouse now which is annoying as hell. Only need to order keyboard wrist gel for my keyboard as well
What's the keyboard that showed up in the video?
Mike, I feel your pain on the precision required for screen captures. Pro tip: SnagIt's zoom might change your life.
Thanks! been having some tennis elbow and was deciding to get the vertical mouse, but didn't consider mx ergo. So i went and bought the ergo.
Im having a tennis elbow myself. How did it work out for you?
@@vandersteentim I worked slower with it and stopped using the track ball. I went back to a normal mouse and it and my tennis elbow hasn't returned, but my work has changed where I don't use a mouse as much as I use to. However, if it starts to bother me again, or I feel it possibly coming back (by feelings of lateral tendon tightness), I'll use it.
I believe the big issue that causes lateral elbow pain is small reptivie radial deviation and ulnar deviation
I'm getting a trackball to try. I have developed super bad habits in keeping my entire right arm tensed up while mousing around. It's causing huge shoulder and neck problems, so much so I started mousing with my left hand (and I am not very good at using the left hand). @Choo choo mentions below my one concern with the trackball - the thumb joint.
I purchased the MX Vertical after buying a lot of chinese and perixx vertical mouses, and now i know what is really a true vertical mouse with the MX Vertical, I simply love it! For me, MX Vertical is the best vertical mouse ever made.
I think you are wrong with what you say about the pinky finger, is not supported because you need it as every other mouse to raise up the whole mouse when you reach the limits of your mat. I hate all the other vertical mouse that have a thing to rest your pinky finger, you cant raise up the mouse without doing extreme force, and even sometimes the mouse falls to the mat as a rock.
I'm buying one. I'm not a fan of the ball movement but in music and video editing they say its a must :P
Don’t you think that relying on a thumb movement on Mx ergo could hurt your tendon after a long time using?
Yes for sure. Plus you move the mouse more as its not as accurate. That's why i recommend Vertical with Right hand RSI splint.
Ace what is an rsi splint?
Can you configure the side buttons with copy paste ... ??
Just bought the MX Ergo because of this video. Looking forwards to see how it can improve my current wrist pain
Would you recommend it?
Ergo MX Plus trackball saved my career. I feel like I should stockpile extras. It works really well with the beater Chromebook I use for travel even though it's not specifically listed as ChromeOS compatible.
Very thoughtful and thorough! Thank you!!
You are so welcome!
@@MikeWat I've got my hands on both of them, just to try out. Mike, you were absolutely right about the MX Vertical being such a DRAG on the lower part of the hand and the slippery pinky!
quiero saber si uso mal el mouse debido a que ya llevo 2 años con el y hace 3 meses he venido desarrollando un dolor en la muñeca, nose si el mouse es muy pesado o yo lo agarro mal de modo q levanto la muñeca, pero siento que debido al alce de muñeca desarrolle el tendonitis que tengo :(
How is the scroll wheel of the MX Ergo? Is it sharp and scratchy? Or smooth feeling like rubbery or lubricated? I saw the new MX Master which is very smooth. Need to make a decision between MX Ergo and MX Master version 3.
After some time, you'll be so quick and precise with the trackball you'll be gaming and graphic designing with it like a pro. It's definitely a thing.
Man, I REALLY wanted the trackball to the the solution or me (CAD work / 3D design)- but I just couldn't get used to it. If it were just normal computer work, it would definitely be suitable, for me at least.
better than a regular mouse?
@@hmmm4989 better in what? Comfort? Definitely. Speed? On par. Precise control? Requires some training but definitely possible. I have all sorts of peripherals (Wacom, trackball, good mouse and trackpad) and a wireless Logitech trackball is my weapon of choice most of the time.
@@kloakovalimonada Nice. When I got my trackball mouse I did pretty good with it. But I kept asking myself, "Would I do better with a regular mouse?". Also one more thing, the trackball good for quick-turning? Like 180 degrees? If so, what's the best way?
@@kloakovalimonada _erm, you haven't replied for a day. But hey that's normal_
Haha you made me buy an ergo! 😆and I am going for mx! Great review!
Glad it helped!! :)
The review was rich enough. Thanks!
You're very welcome :)
Thank you for nice comparison review. I almost bought the ergo, now I don't buy either.
The Ergo Plus (with extra tilt pad) is unavailable in my country and Vertical has too little features for the price.
Didn’t we get rid of the trackball like 20 years ago?
So I want to tell you guys a couple of things about this fabulous ergo mx thing.
I think I've been using it for like maybe 16 hours ( not in a row, ofc. It was 3 or 4 sessions, I believe) and I'm ready with my second inmpression.
First of all, it's big and for me, personally, it turns each and every scroll wheel spin into a little painful wrist bending. Not good. I also have to stretch my thumb a bit to control the ball.
Buttons are hard to reach and pretty tight (more that enough for sure, especially if you want that hold an additional button and get a free scroll functionality. Had to use 3rd paty software to get toggle an additional button to vector scroll, as holding it was tight)
Rubber body makes hand sweaty and sticky a bit, affects position swiching.
My conclusion would be that this device is good, but nothing that big there. Not satisfied. Thinking abaout retutrning it.
And yes, that logi software to me was buggy af.
Hope you'll be more lucky than I with this one.
Will be getting the MX vertical