We made the best NFL play ever for the worst NFL team ever | Fumble Dimension
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- Fumble Dimension is a new video series from Kofie Yeboah and Jon Bois. Our mission is to use the universes within video games to conduct experiments that, in the real world, would be impossible. And, ideally, break as much stuff as possible along the way.
This episode is titled “THE QUEST FOR THE ULTIMATE NFL PLAY,” it’s a two-parter, and it’s a barn-burner. In Part 1, we used NFL Head Coach 09 to attempt to design the perfect offensive play entirely from scratch. Jon, Kofie, Banner Society football expert Richard Johnson, and Madden champion Young Kiv each designed plays of their own.
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Special thanks to:
Banner Society's Richard Johnson: / rj_writes
Young Kiv: / young_kiv and topmadden.com
You can also check out Kiv's streams on / young_kiv
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I can't believe they actually got John Madden for this
Unfortunately that was just Jon Bois doing Madden’s voice. But props to Jon for accuracy.
Aw man
Abbi Abshire lol
@@abbiabshire7823 I don't know, I didn't see Jon's lips moving.
@@abbiabshire7823 r/wooooooosh
Kofie: Let's find the optimal play for any situation using the advice of two experts
Jon: Let's just try to break the game
Well, you're playing an old madden, not a new one nor real football
@@0Clewi0 as if new Maddens are ANY less broken. Check out RyanMoody21's channel if you don't believe me.
He did literally make Breaking Madden, so I feel like he has all the qualification you could ask for here
@@doylerudolph7965 But they should probably have different breaks
Only thing missing is one Calvin Beeftank.
We now return to Jon Bois dragging his friend into the void with him.
Makes you feel bad for Calvin Johnson all over again.
It’s always hard to see a terrible team squander a generational talent. He deserved so much better.
Tom Volz the Lions did it
Multiple times
Barry Sanders
Calvin Johnson
Matthew Stafford
@@Shawn_Babcock They're doing it with Matthew Stafford again. Make it 3.
@@Shawn_Babcock Under good coaching, Stafford might have become another Brett Favre: reckless gunslinger with a ring. Instead, he plays for the Lions.
They should have just drawn up this play and run it every time
It's been 25+ years, but I finally have a place to mention the time I won the Super Bowl with the Bengals in Troy Aikman Football in SNES just by running flea-flickers every single play.
Last night I finally got my copy of All Pro Football 2k8 from eBay and I had Barry Sanders on the first game I played. I ran a flea flicker in the fourth quarter and it was just nasty how open my WR was.
You're a great American, Grant. I thank you for your sincere humility in your retelling of your moment of glory.
We are the Bob. You will be assimilated.
Well done, Grant. I am genuinely impressed.
In Madden 06, I won every single game using the Seattle Seahawks and running almost nothing but HB Blast with Shaun Alexander. As long as I could get him through an opening in the blocks, from that point he was basically untouchable.
I very nearly became a Seahawks fan simply because of that game. Even now they're still the team I'll root for second behind the Bears.
Kiv: Lawful Good
Richard: Lawful Evil
Kofie: Neutral Good
Jon: Chaotic Evil
*Jon: Beautiful 3-13
Switch Kiv and Richard
jon: chaotic lawful
@@LoverOfMuch Those two ae opposites, you can't be both...
"We put it to a poll"
Lets be honest, Jon's gonna win, as of posting this he has 75% of the vote
Honestly I think he'd win even if he had the worst play. Because we love him and the chaos he brings.
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST we just want to see how game breaking the season will get.
Honestly, as much as Kiv's play would bring the best result Jon's is just so chaotic that us not picking it could probably lead to legal trouble
Also breaking the game is funnier than thinking with logic
@@noxebop That's exactly why I voted for Jon's play. It's absolutely ridiculous and I want to see what happens running the entire season using only that play.
They shouldn’t have said that who made which play
Kofie: "I'm not making you guys watch halfback dives all video."
Jon: "I do not care at all what I make you watch. I did 50 minutes on punts and y'all loved it. The receivers line up in the backfield and block."
When chess grandmasters play computers, they often start with archaic openings they’d never play against human opponents. As computing power has increased, chess engines have more or less figured out the most common opening moves; an obsolete and fundamentally unsound move, they think, has a better chance of confusing the AI.
Jon has managed something similar, perhaps by accident. For all his remarks of chaotic randomness, I noticed something familiar in his formation: it’s essentially the single wing, which was the predominant offense in the early days of professional football. The backs are offset to one side, and the tailback takes the snap; he rolls out, and either keeps the ball himself, or passes to the end who runs downfield. The T formation and it’s balanced attack exposed the single wing’s limitations in the early 1940s, and it was mostly extinct in big-time football by the end of the decade.
A “real” football team, such as a Group of Five FCS school, could adopt an Air Raid philosophy or a clock-eating Leroy Hoard rushing attack to great success, and many have. No one’s bringing back the single wing. But, the Madden engine is simulating “real” football; it doesn’t know what to do with the single wing.
fishflake1209 I love this logic, even if it isn't correct (which I doubt). Nice comment!
Man this even reads like something Jon would write. Bravo
True about chess but outdated. GMs don’t play engines anymore it’s futile and we are pathetic. They are better than us at all but the most specialized situations
@@anguishingquark the only time engines are bad is against a hippo
Jon bois releases a video
And it's a part one of a series
God, today is a good day
Starring someone else, and it's about a video game. Lame
Yup. Gonna need to clear my schedule.
@@1smallball shut up nerd
part two*
Yeah, Pretty Good, one might say
No wonder Calvin retired, they made him run the same route for a whole year.
I love how everyone was thinking soundly about, hmm what play would actually work here, and Jon is like...How do I break this game to make it let me win.
To be fair, that's all the Madden pro said too.
Tyler he did couch it as, real teams use this play.
That was more a criticism of how Madden pros play the game than anything specific he said. He literally said "we don't use slants," one of the most common routes in real football. Madden pros play a video game, and as such, there are game breaking mechanics in the programming, which are exploited by the high-level players.
Tyler Which is even more ridiculous since even defenses that are specifically meant to cover the slant don’t actually stop slant routes if you’re not usering over the middle.
I think out of respect the Madden pro wouldn't have given them a silly play like that. He probably assumed they wanted a somewhat reasonable play that was guaranteed to crush the AI. I'm sure he knows plenty of broken plays with the level of game knowledge he must have.
“They missed a lot of blocks”
As a lifetime Lions fan, I can say the game got that right
They still struggle with it (I’m also a lions fan)
Im also a lions fan. I tried to upvote but i missed the block so the downvote got through. sorry
“Pick the greatest play”
S L A N T S intensifies
"Uh actually slants iz bad call drags" - kiv
Slants were good in the older games
pInCh BuCk ZeRo
Slants still useful it's just everyone online picks MLB and can easily read the play
The stretch runs the game now fam
"I tried to make the funniest formation I could"
Wins
"We don't wanna introduce bias into this so we'll let the viewers decide who wins. The same viewers that absolutely worship Jon Bois lol...."
They really should have done all of them
I like how the guy who’s play was absolutely the best in real football was the only lost and the Play who would absolutely never work in real football won by the most.
I dont know if Richard's play would have worked. I would have been fine to use in a normal playbook, but it relies on the defense making mistakes. And overall he just doesn't seem to understand how Madden works. Maybe he just never played it but he seems to think of it as "the game" and is going into it with a human mindset.
I’m so early that this video only has 41 views, is currently unlisted, and only accessible through the Jon Bois playlist on the SB Nation page.
Jerry Kurinsky God damn, that IS early!
Wooo that was an accident... but maybe we'll start doing that in the future 🤔 - Kofie
@@SecretBaseSBN nice video
@@SecretBaseSBN Yess that would be cool
I love how all of Jon’s videos never lose the feeling of being a bad 80s-90s educational video
"Hi Jon? Hi it's Arthur in Atlanta. So we have Julio Jones and Matt Ryan and... an opening at head coach. So we were wondering"
This is still very relevant
It’s time
Aww they don’t have Julio anymore lol
@@Wolf813921 F
Jon sort of came to Atlanta in his new series
Pro: multi-part fumble dimension means more jon and kofie
Con: multi-part fumble dimension means I have to wait
15:12 "Now all that's left is to see what play Jon drew up. I wonder what he's up to..." [seatbelt click]
He...re-discovered the single wing?
more like shotgun
Dear Jon and Kofie,
This is a great series don’t stop it!
Signed, everyone
“This is real” on the arena football cutscene killed me lmfao
I'm voting Jon's play because I want Calvin Johnson to go off for like 6000 yards in a season and like 40 TD's
Me too.
???? Kivs play resulted in Calvin having more yards though idg why you wouldn't vote for his play
@@AtH1338 Yeah. 2 more yards. And it was one game. Over 16 games with Kiv's play, the other routes might get targeted more. With Jon's play, it's all Calvin.
@@AtH1338 because I like chaos
He might get hurt
R.I.P. legendary John Madden, so glad he got to work on Fumble Dimension before passing.
NEW FUMBLE DIMENSION HELL YEAH!
shut up
Mode7 no u
@@ToasterBrain51702 Boooooo
@@ToasterBrain51702 splish splash ur opinion is trash
@DaPoke what are you on about
Glad to see the Jon's ridiculous play is winning the vote so far. XD
Everyone else’s play calling: wow! Really smart
Jon’s play calling: DAMN IT JON WHY CANT YOU JUST BE HUMAN FOR ONCE
Y'all laugh at Jon's play till you realize the Green Bay Packers ran that exact play with Don Hutson for like 9 years
John and Kofie are such a good combo of weirdness to create the oddest sports videos imaginable. Keep up the good work boys
I’m 2 minutes into the video, and I’m telling you the ultimate play is slants
7 minutes in: yes
7 minutes 30 seconds in: no
7:12 WE'LL
BE
RIGHT
BACK
Really enjoyed Kofie as the host in this one. Fun dyanamic between him and Jon as the Mad Scientist
I literally laughed out loud when Jon unveiled his play. It's so silly. It has to be the one.
17 minutes in and they spoil the results for the whole test with the first bar graph. LOL.
I’m liking Not Jon Bois, almost enough to give him a name
He's definitely the best Not Jon Bois.
He's Pretty Good
Every other writer at sb nation must be so sick of seeing comments like this
Danny Dolan and I’m sick of them not being Jon Bois
KeiFresh Don't you mean being not Jon Bois?
This man's John Madden impression sounds like Lindsey Graham playing Colonel Sanders
reaching out to a pro gamer for a video? We're coming close to the Summoning Salt + Jon Bois singularity
As if anyone had a chance against Jon's play.
I would still like it see Kiv's season
Kiv's idea might actually win the Lions the Super Bowl
Slant routes are OP in real life too especially the RPO slant
The crazy thing is, all of the insane passing stats makes sense when you put into account that they’re all running plays that beat Cover 2, the defense the Vikings were running.
Honestly would love to see this sim run against a more balanced defense.
Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"
Thank you for watching this video. Again if you want to vote on the play we run, you can go to our story link here: www.sbnation.com/2019/10/31/20938325/the-fumble-dimension-needs-your-vote-to-save-the-2008-detroit-lions As for the 50 points/8 Touchdowns questions. We had to use this play *every down*. No punting. No Field Goals. Always Going for 2 etc
Thanks y'all
- Kofie and Jon
Honestly, I'd love to see 5 sperate simulations. One for each play and one with all four plays installed in the offense. I think that it would be interesting to see the season long stats for each individual play and then how they might work together.
I voted for Jon's, not just because Jon is an absolute legend (he is), but it also seemed to be the most successful.
I honestly liked Kofie's original logic. The formation is great. Until Richard butted in he had his best receiver isolated on the left, making him hard to double cover and probably matched with the #2 corner. With the void created on that side, the TE drag was perfect, and the slant would've worked too with the right timing. Keep the long corner but change the second corner to a flat! The routes would complement each other and the flat gets open easily and quickly from that formation, giving you a much needed quick outside option. I'd say just have the RB block too. If you have to run the same play all game, you definitely need a way to get the ball out fast, an extra blocker against the pass rush, Megatron threatening deep (He's 6'5" with 96 speed, and anyone can get open underneath), nobody just treated as a decoy, and obviously it would be a pass, not a run.
...yeah so ignore Richard and try this, Kofie.
Haha how did I know the "Welcome to Eternity!"/"Every day's a sale!" voice was coming the second he said he had a Madden impression? XD
with a Kroger plus card, it’s like every days a sale
Jon's play made me laugh uncomfortably loud at my desk. Then I saw the results, and laughed even louder.
that madden impression was mina kimes-sean connery level. impeccable
"I just bumble around until I trip over success. I recommend it"
I love that it always feels like Jon is just banishing the athletes to the fumble dimension when everyone else wants to escape.
Kofie is really the goat but he quiet about it
I really need part 2. It's been 2 weeks. I'm starting to shake like a junkie.
20:47... that’s how a lot of teams with weaker QBs play in general like that’s how the 2000 Ravens ran their Offense, Jamal Lewis controlled games and Dilfer did just enough to keep the clock running
Kofie is the only guy to do research on this and he has 2% of the vote i kinda feel bad 😂
Glad to see ya back making more videos Jon. Your content is what I look forward to on youtube.
Hmmmm a poll with one option being made by Jon Bois.
I feel like his play could be "they all just stand around and try to talk the enemy team into taking the ball to the touchdown for us" and he would still win.
And if Jon was actually on the field with the offense, I think that play would score a TD often enough to be successful.
@@deanjo57790 please, he'd be undefeated
So let me get this straight: You have a series called "Fumble Dimension", and you DON'T draw up a fumblerooski play? What is this, amateur hour?
Dan Thomson It'll probably come later, when they start playing with /defense/
Was a light sports fan as a kid, haven't touched the stuff in all the years since, so glad I found your stuff. Amazing content.
I'm a Lions fan. The saddest part of the 0-16 season was Megatron. You'd think one of the greatest receivers of all time could never possibly be on a winless team.
when u think of how many missed extra points there was to only have 50 points on 8 touchdowns
Maybe no extra point attempts allowed only 2pt conversions with their plays?
They have to run that play whenever possible, so they have to go for 2. 1/8 is a reasonable success rate for a team that bad
I just want to see Calvin’s numbers by the end of the season.
I love Kofie’s video style, it’s basically John Bois but with a hint of Eric Andre’s aesthetic
I love how well these videos are made, keep it up!
I love Kofie's zoned out face when he's chatting with Kiv
The last time I was this early, the Golden State Warriors were a Finals contender
Buzz your girlfriend. Woof
This video is everything I ever wanted. Glad the algorithm led me to you. The graphics and the presentation is on point.
I love this content haha. Please please keep it up. That NBA 2k 40 overall video was awesome.
How’d you guys manage to get John Madden for this video?
Stop copying comments
Mr. Awesome I commented this when it came out settle down bud
Madden's AI has changed very little over the last 20 years, for what it's worth. It wouldn't be surprising if Kiv's knowledge of modern Madden games would help him develop that play.
Love you Kofi keep making fire vids. Should do them all
As someone who still plays this game on occasion... I truly appreciate the fact that you guys are using it for a video
Aw, don't make me pick, I wanna see all 4 of these plays be used for an entire season =
Part 2! Now! The fans demand it!
I absolutely love these videos! Great job!
The fact that all of these videos are becoming one large world is flippin amazing
This series is gonna be the life of me
Same bro
Kofie is underrated
14:11 - Somewhere, Vince Lombardi smiles a smile and wipes a tear from his eye.
You have so many great series on this channel. This might be my favorite
Bless’d be thy day that Jon Bois gives us a video
Is part 2 in production?
I did not expect this. Omg. This is fantastic. The impression was flawless.
biscuit shy of 200 there kofie? but srsly i love these vids. im sorry for your suffering while making it. but keep up the good work. a fun escape to weird places i never thought id go. its fantastic really. all the best to fumble dimension, Nick
Sim the season with each of them.
Jon's play.
I mean, come on, it's The Internet's Jon Bois. His play could be "the Lions give up and go sit in the stands to eat peanut butter sandwiches with their fans" and I'd still vote for it.
Jon and Kofie is a match made in sports heaven.
Laughed my ass off at Jon's madden money play after the incredibly elaborate play right before it
Haven’t seen the video yet, but based on the introduction, but it’s
*_Four Verticals._*
I am very satisfied with myself, but really, if you’ve ever played madden with crappy friends, or a brother, you know already knew too.
I wish I could live in the fumble dimension sounds like a good time
LOVE the series lol. Keep it going guys!
I’m with you dude, quick slants always gives me success
Gonna binge Jon Bois to fill the void Deadspin left
RIP Foodspin
I voted for making Calvin Johnson do 100 yard sprints while being showered with footballs
i haven't even begun watching this, but it is already my favorite video on youtube
I’d love to see Kiv’s play only and see how many TDs could be thrown
I liked your Madden impression.
It was terrible but I liked it.
Internet: "JON BOIS IS A DEMIGOD"
Jon Bois: *Does Madden Impression*
Internet: "..."
Internet: "I..."
Internet: "JON BOIS IS FULL GOD STATUS"
This is such a fun idea for a series. I mean Jon Bois could talk about oatmeal for 45 minutes and I'd be captivated, but this topic is a lot of fun in its own right as well.
14:00 man that LG and LT are gonna be exhausted after the first offensive drive