Very good, thoughtful review. I’m a retired machinist, so it is apparent that they either didn’t shim properly when they put the cast iron top on the magnetic grinding table, or they milled the slots after the finish grind and it warped. Also you made a good point about the extension cord, but don’t use a 40’ cord when a 8’ cord will do. Cut it down and install a new plug. Years ago, I picked up an old Craftsman saw that didn’t have any wings. I picked up a 40 inch Besmear fence and made new wings with cabinet grade pressboard and Formica laminate. I was quite satisfied with this flatness. I’m mounted the tops on an oak frame that I mounted to the fence and cast top.
I bought a used 36-725 about three years ago! I loved it too until last December when the motor fried! Good luck dealing with delta customer service! A replacement motor is more than what I could buy a new saw for! I’m now a proud owner of a delta boat anchor! Good luck with your saw, I hope you have a good one!
I've had mine goin on 3 years and it's been great. I love its mobility, power,and capacity. It cut wide and deep dados with ease,its very accurate angles. I've cut tenons,spline joints,etc with ease. I good replacement miter gauge( if you're interested) is an Osborne ec3. My only wish would be that this saw could be converted to 240 volts.
I’ve had the same saw for six months. It’s now $699 but still great value. It does seem a bit under powered to me, but my table is pretty close to dead flat. Thank you for this review I learned a couple things about the saw I didn’t know!
I own the older model of this say and is perfect for my small shop. That being said, I did a complete alignment when I first pulled it out of the box. And anyone who does not do this with every tool they purchase are asking to be disappointed. I also use an Incra miter gage fence so my miter and crosscuts are dead on. For bevel cuts I verify the blade angle with a BE-All digital tilt box so that, too, is also dead on. I highly recommend this saw if you are in the market for a saw of this size. The main thing is to perform ALL alignments when you initially set it up.
I had the same issue with the table top not being flat, however in my case I figured out the issue. I have a straight edge that reaches from side to side and I noticed that both outside edges of the table were proud, the same went for front to back. I took a fine steel file and put a piece of electrical tape on the file to act as kind of a depth gauge, I knew I had filed enough once the file started to bite into the table and not the edges, then I proceeded to use sand paper from 240-600 grit until I had removed the scratches left over from the steel file. Now the table is pretty much dead flat. It didn’t really take all that long to complete.
I found that to be the case when looking at the Ridgid in a store last year, after hearing all these overly dramatic horror stories about the table being shaped like a bowl. It definitely seemed 1) correctable if you want to start working on the new cast iron, and 2) WAY overblown. A few thousandths in wood that's going to expand and contract that much through any given day is pretty silly to worry about. $.02
@@blake102989 had to go to Lowe’s in madisonville. None in Evv, Vincennes showed one but since I am on south side of town felt more confident and shorter drive for one of the 5 that was showing in Madisonville
@@photosbyjf that's the only place I've seen them in stock as well. They seem to keep them in stock and are the only lowes anywhere near here that ever has them. How do you like it so far? I'm really wanting to sell my cheap kobalt portable one and get this one because the fence on the kobalt is horrible!
Adam, I just recently purchased the same saw as well. A huge upgrade from the old craftsman I was using. Your critique about the Rigid saw is spot on! The T fence on the delta was my ultimate decision factor! Now, what I found on my saw while assembling the fence rail on the front was a promblem at the butt connection! The butt connection is missmatched! Not a huge deal, I spent 3hrs with a flat file smoothing the high spots on the front, top and back side! I didnt notice this issue until I ran my fence along the whole length and noticed white shavings! Im glad I spent the extra time smoothing the high spots! That's my only bitch about the saw. But, again, this saw is a tremendous upgrade in my shop! BTW, my table came flat, no issues here about that! Thx for your review!
Thanks. Ive put a lot of time into the saw and its great. I have to upgrade the dust collection though. Its constantly clogging and spraying sawdust in my face.
I've been looking at some other saws and one of them has a similar dust collection shroud around the bottom of the blade. And I had never once considered the problem you addressed with the wood chunks falling into it. Thanks for that.
Just picked one up myself a few weeks ago. Biggest factors for me were the cast iron top and fence. There's nothing in the job site saw category that comes close. My last saw, the Hitachi C10RJ (now Metabo c10rjs) was loud, the table top was a weird alloy, not even close to flat and I was never able to get the fence square. They even sent me a new fence when I called and told them about the problem with the first one. The final straw was when the lift mechanism broke, luckily it was still covered by warranty and they sent me a new one. Needless to say I paid the difference and upgraded to the Delta after watching several reviews. I am impressed at what the saw is for the price point. The new Metabo runs at $570, Dewalt is $599 and neither can compare feature wise. Even just a fence upgrade for one of those saws is $200. I agree that assembly was simple but if your cast iron top is off that much I would call Delta and use the warranty. My top is almost dead flat, the biggest feeler I could manage at any point was a .005. Side wings took a little bit to level and I do agree they are not flat. The mating edge and outside edges are level but the center tends to dip a bit, not enough to affect anything in my opinion. Fence was super easy to adjust as you stated and my miter gauge was right on after testing. Far superior to others for a factory miter but not the best ever. I will be building some sleds and a new zero clearance throat plate as the factory one is slightly bent. I bolstered the dust collection a bit by using duct tape along the top edge where the canvas and metal meet as well as around the duct at the bottom. I will be experimenting with other improvements. I would recommend a dedicated plug/circuit for the saw only as it is an induction motor and will function better that way. This saw is far quieter than my old one and I look forward to putting it to work. The other thing you could consider is switching to a 7 1/4" blade. The cut will be thinner than a 10" blade resulting in less dust and waste. Many who use the smaller blade also say it will give glue edge results as the blade is less prone to deflection. Of course the cost is reduced by half as well. Again for the price point and features you can't beat this saw in my opinion. It would be a fantastic saw for anyone wanting to start woodworking as it will allow for accurate, repeatable results that will build confidence.
I recently upgraded to a very large panel saw and was able to sell the Delta for what I paid for it. In fact, nearly every tool Ive upgraded I have been able to sell for what I paid or more. Between the Rigid and Delta I would get the delta unless the rigid was somehow cheaper.
I have the same saw and for the most part, I'm very happy. Adjustment and fine-tuning are a must. I also have the same unlevel top on the left side, which is a little disappointing and I do also work around it. I'm not sure why Delta's quality control allowed this to happen. Other than those issues, it's a very good saw. I also will be running a dedicated 20amp circuit to avoid the constant trips on the shared 15amp. Thanks for the great review.
Thanks for this review! With the fence removed for storage how many inches deep front to back is this saw? I have limited storage room in front of my cars in the garage
The problem with the motor that someone else was commenting about is really about not using the proper extension cord or plugging the saw into a 20 amp circuit. I researched this quite a bit before I purchased mine last summer. When I bought mine, I also bought a 12 gauge 15ft. extension cord which is plugged into a 20 amp circuit. This way that motor should be just fine. Good Luck
I purchased this saw 6 months ago, just a heads up there’s a flaw in the motor and the capacitors are guaranteed to blow, the honor their warranty but only at specific service centers. I’m going through the nightmare currently. Just a heads up!
I have smaller shopmaster version and one thing that surprised me was smooth powerful and quieter motor.Really impressive motor.This saw is on my bucket list.Will look out for clearance sale days.Good review thks
I appreciate the review. These just went on clearance at Lowe's for 50% off, so I'm giving it a try. I see that the fence is easy to align to the miter slot, but was aligning the saw to the miter slot difficult? Is there an adjustment for that? Thanks!
@@jordandenk563 good luck with the install. I'm struggling to get the rails aligned properly so my fence rides like absolute crap. The bottom of the fence catches on the table extension and the end of the fence catches on the rear rail. I'm about ready to throw it in the trash lol.
Any updates now that some more time has passed? I wonder if a large upside down platten w/ some sandpaper glued to it would flatten out that left side.
I never ran into an issue with the unevenness of the table top. I did replace the saw with a grizzly g0623 sliding table saw. I wanted a slider as I got tired of switching to a crosscut sled, I had the money to upgrade, and a good deal on this saw came up. For under 1k the delta is the best table saw hands down.
Just picked one up yesterday. Still in the box, hopefully I’ll have time soon to put it together. Planning to add the Wixey WR700 saw fence digital readout.
You said that you planned on getting rid of that saw later on, presumably to upgrade. I'm curious if you have done that yet, and if so, what did you go with. If not, are you still liking the Delta?
I sold it for what I paid for it and got a used grizzly g0623 sliding table saw. The delta was great for what it is. It's not a 5000 dollar saw but it's the best under 1000 by a lot.
This Delta is now $679 usd. I ponder which one is better, that Rigid or the Delta here. I have to say I like the Fence System on the Delta more... I hear/read allot bad stuff about the Rigid Fence System... and what's the point to pay $700 for a Table Saw to then run to Rockler and spend another $400 usd for a Fence System that works?
Compared to what I have right now, which is a Ridgid R4514 job site table saw, this is definitely one step up in the right direction without breaking the bank. Ridgid has one similar to this Delta, but it’s $100 more. Honestly, the cons aren’t that bad, the dust collection and throat plate are easily fixed. Perhaps your saw’s top is off by a hairline (on the left side) due to quality control. It might have received some bumps and bruises when it got delivered (or anytime during shipping). That’s sometimes inevitable. Your table top is still way better than mine. I bought mine thru marketplace because of budget. But since I can’t afford a Powermatic, Grizzly or Sawstop. This will definitely do!! 😂 Thanks for sharing! I appreciate you.
Very similar position here, I'm coming from the R4518 (which I think is possibly the same model). Besides being the second loudest tool in my shop (behind the router table which I'm about to install a new router in finally), keeping the fence parallel while the extension is out can be a bother. Always having to measure from the blade to make sure it's not a 16th off randomly The Ridgid being $100 more makes this Delta kinda attractive and anything in the realm seems like it'll be a huge step up
Thanks for the thoughtful overview. One question about the design of this saw that I don't quite understand: why does the front rail extend six inches past the back rail on the right side? THanks again....
I got one just like it 2 months ago. Really nice saw for smaller jobs. I’m used to using 60 yr old 3hp Delta cabinet table saw that I’ve used for years in building residential cabinets, but the motor went out on it. Is that a Diablo blade that you have on it?
@@carolinaworkshop7091 thanks for the reply. I asked a question in Amazon about what would be the best blade on this saw for cutting and ripping treated lumber. Somebody told me to get a 10”x40T Freud Next Generation.
I was going back and forth between the ridgid and the delta. The delta was about 50 bucks more and I would have to drive around 50 miles to pick it up. For some reason, Lowes wouldn't ship it to the store near me. So, I went with the ridgid. You say there is a difference with the rip fence, can you elaborate, I really can't see the difference.
Its the fence mechanism generally. How the fence clamps to the table, the way it slides and the way it tightens down all feel better on the delta. I also dont like the slots in the fence on the ridgid. Im sure the ridgid is a fine saw and if its cheaper than the delta at this point I would certainly take another look at it.
I dont get why people complain about a saw's flatness when the trunnions are bolted to the table. This is a product of tightening the bolts on the trunnion and distorting the cast iron. The only way to avoid it is for the manufacturer to bolt something to the underside to mimick the distortion when they mill the top. That's asking a lot for an inexpensive saw.
I didnt mention it. I have never gone off the built in stops or numbers on the front of the saw when cutting at an angle. I always use a 45 degree square or something to set the blade angle.
This is probably my next saw; I'm a long time fan of Delta, and the price diff between this and the 5100 is just silly for what is essentially the same saw. For the price of the 5100 you're in SawStop pricing, and frankly that's a gimmick on an otherwise average saw that I just don't need. The ridgid is essentially this same saw. As for the bad fences you find on most of the job site saws, you're not wrong, excepting the rack and pinion system on the Skil and DeWalt; they're absolutely fantastic once dialed in. I'm currently using a well modified, very keenly adjusted Skil with that fence and while the saw is otherwise fine, that fence is something I'll miss in day to day use, even with the exceptional Bismeyer fence on this one. It's very good, again, once dialed in (which shouldn't need to be repeated because anyone using any tool out of the box without checking and setting it properly is kind of dumb, but I'll say it once more - "once dialed in") :)
Sweet!! Besides the obvious things like a great fence and easy miter adjustments, the volume is a HUGE thing for me. So tired of having saws that sound like excavators. I'm planning to upgrade from a jobsite Ridgid R4518 and I think on pricepoint vs features and design this one is winning out.
@@carolinaworkshop7091 how do you feel about the whole "table not perfectly flat" thing? I forget whether you addressed that in the video but it seems to be the one major flaw in this model besides the brakes and brushes causing some people issues. Presumably you got a flat table (or maybe I have to watch your video again)
J, there is included in the box a detailed set of instructions pertaining to that issue! Also, certain you tube videos detail that adjustment as well! My saw was already adjusted from the factory and my cuts are 100%!
@@hazelbelle9499 I did not get any instructions in the box. The manual did not include directions for alignment either. I confirmed with Delta support... I followed all the different youtube videos on the subject and managed to get it to be better than out of the box. Problem is that it goes out of alignment very easily. Delta support told me to return it if alignment was a deal breaker for me. So I did....and got a sawstop.
Thanks for the video, extremely helpful. Any chance you can give us (me) the overall physical dimensions of the saw whenever you get a chance? I'm definitely going to get the saw, but I was trying to get an idea of how it will store in my 2 car garage, and the website doesn't really help. Thanks again.
Found this video while doing research on the Delta 36-725T2. I think this is the saw I want. Lots of posts and videos about the motor, capacitors and etc going out. Most people say if you use a 20Amp circuit with a 12 gauge extension cord, there is no issue. So, it's been a year since you posted this video and I was wondering if you have had any problems with the motor or other items related to this saw? Do you still like it and would you still recommend it? BTW, I am in upstate SC. Thank you. Great video!
No problems and I think you are exactly right on the wire gauge being an issue. The saw worked perfectly till the day I sold it for pretty much what I paid for it. I upgraded to a sliding table saw.
I have the same saw; am having problem with the leveling mechanism where you push down on the blue lever. Even with the 2 feet screwed all the way in it still will not move smoothly. Has anyone else had that problem?
Please do not take this post as slamming this saw, or its owners. I was an owner of this saw not 6 weeks ago. I wish I would have known more about the below issues before I made my decision on which saw to purchase. Now, this is a decent saw, but it seems that it often has some issues. Issues that are probably due to its price point. I had one for 2 months and had to get Lowes to take it back. The top was no where near level, but it was not horrible either, at least across the blade. I was going to live with that problem. However, a problem that I could not live with was the slop in the trunnions. I could literally grab the arbor and rock the entire motor assembly back and forth. It would go "klunk", klunk", "klunk". The one on display at my local Lowes did the same thing, though it was not as bad as mine. None of the jobsite saws on display had this issue. Not the Kobalt, Bosch, Dewalt. Only this Delta. So, I returned my Delta and looked elsewhere for a saw. If you have a decently level top, and not a lot of play in your trunnions (which are not adjustable) it will be a good saw for $649. Problem is these issues seem to be a to frequent occurrence. I looked at the Laguna Fusion F1 ($999) which is similar in design, but costs $350 more. If you have the money, spend the extra $350. It will be worth it. I owned a Laguna F2 for a week and was able to look it over. It is a nice saw, but it was damaged in shipping, so it had to go back. I looked at the Fusion F1 at the local Rockler, and it is for sure a better saw than the Delta and worth the extra money (if you have it in your budget). IMO, the Delta has two major flaws that I already mentioned. #1 is the thin cast iron table top which can and does sag in the middle. This is because the top is thin and the fact that the trunnions mount to the underside of table top. #2 is there is no way to adjust the trunnions on this saw and I think they were designed to have enough clearance to be easily assembled. So, you get what you get. If they have a lot of slop, your cuts will not be smooth. If you do not have these issues, or they are not too bad, then you can have a good saw. It for sure has a decent fence and rails, better than the Shop Fox / Grizzly and Laguna Fusion F1/F2, IMO. Though that flip down piece flexes way to much and should not be used IMO. Unfortunately, the fence is the only real decent thing on this saw. I was in the middle of a project and needed a saw and did not want to wait 6 weeks for a replacement Fusion F2. So, I went with one of the other saws that I had originally considered, the Shop Fox W1837. This again is $999, so $350 more than this Delta. Again, that would be $350 well spent if you went with that, or the Grizzly G0771Z (same saws, with different cabinets). There are many things that I think are better on my Shop Fox, than the more expensive Fusion F2. An example of the quality difference. The top on my Delta 36-725T2 dipped about .014" across the blade, and .019" front to back. Diagonally it was worse. In comparison, the smallest feeler gauge that I have is .0015" and I could not get that under my straight edge on either my Fusion F2, or my Shop Fox W1837. Not in any direction. These cast iron tops are thicker with more webbing underneath. Basically everything is better on these saws, but the fence. The Lagina F1 and F2 have a similar fence to Delta's but the aluminum front rail is thin and flexes too much. The Shop Fox and Grizzly used to have a fence similar to the Delta, but they have changed them and they are now aluminum extrusions that bolt on to the T section. There is too much flex in this area of the fence. Though, the Shop Fox and Grizzly front rail is thicker and much stronger (still aluminum), than the Laguna's. The Delta is the winner in the fence category (IMO).
I agree. This saw works for me at this point in time and I think in the price bracket its the best. I have a shop fox dust collector and love it. The shop fox hybrid saw looks great.
@@carolinaworkshop7091 or Al Smith had either of you considered the Ridgid R4520? I’m looking at either this Delta or the Ridgid and not sure which to get for the $100 difference. Can’t see myself making the price jump to the Laguna F1 or F2
I am wanting to purchase this model but have seen issues with the motor burning out. I did notice you reviewing regarding scraps getting trapped below and needing to be removed which could get caught in the blade mechanics and thus possibly burning out the motor; thus leading to the possible reason others are having with the motor and not an engineering issue with the motor itself; in theory. With that, have you or anyone else here had any motor issues whatsoever? Thank you.
You cut 50lb boards s thing? Just got mine yesterday. Arthritis in my hips and spine have me relegated to the sofa today. Can't WAIT to try it tomorrow. So today I watch videos like yours. I'm pleased to see 98% good reviews on it!
Is the top FLAT watched a review of an earlier model and the guy demonstrated with straight edge and feeler gauges that the top was not flat off 30 thousands of an inch? I want one if the top is flat. Updating this flat from front to back.
I just got this saw, its good enough but I am having trouble getting it perfectly level, it is sloping about 1/4 inch towards the back of the saw. It might just be my floor, do you guys think that is going to affect my cuts in any way.
Want to make sure I understand the question. Are you saying the table top itself is sloping or are you saying the saw is not level sitting on the floor? If it's not level with the floor it won't affect your work. If the table top is not level it will most definitely affect your work.
Terry said it right. if the blade is square to the table top, and the fence is square to the blade, you're ok... you could hang the tablesaw from your ceiling and still cut square... (if the physics of holding the material to an upside down saw weren't astronomically difficult...)
It only sells from lowes. The email me when the items available feature doesnt work. I just checked back every couple days till one became available to order online.
I hear a lot of negative comments about grizzly, but they have replacement parts, along with part diagrams, for every tool they make you can easily order from their website. Its the main reason I have so many old used grizzly/shop fox products.
Looks like the saw is blowing wood dust right back at you lol. I have the Cruzer 12 which has terrible dust collection too but am surprised at how little they cared about proper dust collection.
@carolinaworkshop7091 I also upgraded my dust collector to the Grizzly 1.5 hp wall mount which is rated at 1280 cfm. This greatly improved my tablesaw's dust collection.
Christ almighty why am I getting bombed with all these "Delta something or other" table saw reviews all the sudden in my feed! I haven't even clicked one other than this and in fact I have blocked like a dozen of them so far.
I loved everything about this table saw…. UNTIL the MOTOR died. It took a while, but it died. Delta service and Tech Support is virtually nonexistent. I could not get either on the phone after multiple tries and long, long waits. DO NOT BUY THIS SAW. Replacement motor price range from over $800 to over $1000!
Great info! I've had my T2 for almost 2 years & I agree the fence is excellent for a $600 saw, stays true and locks down solidly.
Very good, thoughtful review. I’m a retired machinist, so it is apparent that they either didn’t shim properly when they put the cast iron top on the magnetic grinding table, or they milled the slots after the finish grind and it warped. Also you made a good point about the extension cord, but don’t use a 40’ cord when a 8’ cord will do. Cut it down and install a new plug.
Years ago, I picked up an old Craftsman saw that didn’t have any wings. I picked up a 40 inch Besmear fence and made new wings with cabinet grade pressboard and Formica laminate. I was quite satisfied with this flatness. I’m mounted the tops on an oak frame that I mounted to the fence and cast top.
I bought a used 36-725 about three years ago! I loved it too until last December when the motor fried! Good luck dealing with delta customer service! A replacement motor is more than what I could buy a new saw for! I’m now a proud owner of a delta boat anchor! Good luck with your saw, I hope you have a good one!
I've had mine goin on 3 years and it's been great. I love its mobility, power,and capacity. It cut wide and deep dados with ease,its very accurate angles. I've cut tenons,spline joints,etc with ease. I good replacement miter gauge( if you're interested) is an Osborne ec3. My only wish would be that this saw could be converted to 240 volts.
I’ve had the same saw for six months. It’s now $699 but still great value. It does seem a bit under powered to me, but my table is pretty close to dead flat. Thank you for this review I learned a couple things about the saw I didn’t know!
I own the older model of this say and is perfect for my small shop. That being said, I did a complete alignment when I first pulled it out of the box. And anyone who does not do this with every tool they purchase are asking to be disappointed. I also use an Incra miter gage fence so my miter and crosscuts are dead on. For bevel cuts I verify the blade angle with a BE-All digital tilt box so that, too, is also dead on. I highly recommend this saw if you are in the market for a saw of this size. The main thing is to perform ALL alignments when you initially set it up.
Agree. Im looking at getting the incra miter 5000 next
How do you do alignments? I just purchased this saw yesterday and assembled it but want to know more about alignments.
I had the same issue with the table top not being flat, however in my case I figured out the issue. I have a straight edge that reaches from side to side and I noticed that both outside edges of the table were proud, the same went for front to back. I took a fine steel file and put a piece of electrical tape on the file to act as kind of a depth gauge, I knew I had filed enough once the file started to bite into the table and not the edges, then I proceeded to use sand paper from 240-600 grit until I had removed the scratches left over from the steel file. Now the table is pretty much dead flat. It didn’t really take all that long to complete.
I found that to be the case when looking at the Ridgid in a store last year, after hearing all these overly dramatic horror stories about the table being shaped like a bowl. It definitely seemed 1) correctable if you want to start working on the new cast iron, and 2) WAY overblown. A few thousandths in wood that's going to expand and contract that much through any given day is pretty silly to worry about. $.02
Hello from Evansville, IN. just got my delta saw assembled yesterday, working to get my Craftsman router table to fit in my saw
Let me know how you like it! I use mine at least a few times a week and I love it
I'm from Evansville too. Where did you get yours at?
@@blake102989 had to go to Lowe’s in madisonville. None in Evv, Vincennes showed one but since I am on south side of town felt more confident and shorter drive for one of the 5 that was showing in Madisonville
@@photosbyjf that's the only place I've seen them in stock as well. They seem to keep them in stock and are the only lowes anywhere near here that ever has them. How do you like it so far? I'm really wanting to sell my cheap kobalt portable one and get this one because the fence on the kobalt is horrible!
@@blake102989 I love mine so much more accurate. Coming from a porter cable job site saw
Adam, I just recently purchased the same saw as well. A huge upgrade from the old craftsman I was using. Your critique about the Rigid saw is spot on! The T fence on the delta was my ultimate decision factor! Now, what I found on my saw while assembling the fence rail on the front was a promblem at the butt connection! The butt connection is missmatched! Not a huge deal, I spent 3hrs with a flat file smoothing the high spots on the front, top and back side! I didnt notice this issue until I ran my fence along the whole length and noticed white shavings! Im glad I spent the extra time smoothing the high spots! That's my only bitch about the saw. But, again, this saw is a tremendous upgrade in my shop!
BTW, my table came flat, no issues here about that!
Thx for your review!
Thanks.
Ive put a lot of time into the saw and its great. I have to upgrade the dust collection though. Its constantly clogging and spraying sawdust in my face.
Now the new Rigid IS the same Delta. Rigid is partnered with them now. So same fence now.
@@romanjohnston i don't believe the rigid is either a belt drive or a 15-amp motor. that was the deciding factor for me in choosing this Delta model.
I've been looking at some other saws and one of them has a similar dust collection shroud around the bottom of the blade. And I had never once considered the problem you addressed with the wood chunks falling into it. Thanks for that.
Just picked one up myself a few weeks ago. Biggest factors for me were the cast iron top and fence. There's nothing in the job site saw category that comes close. My last saw, the Hitachi C10RJ (now Metabo c10rjs) was loud, the table top was a weird alloy, not even close to flat and I was never able to get the fence square. They even sent me a new fence when I called and told them about the problem with the first one. The final straw was when the lift mechanism broke, luckily it was still covered by warranty and they sent me a new one.
Needless to say I paid the difference and upgraded to the Delta after watching several reviews. I am impressed at what the saw is for the price point. The new Metabo runs at $570, Dewalt is $599 and neither can compare feature wise. Even just a fence upgrade for one of those saws is $200.
I agree that assembly was simple but if your cast iron top is off that much I would call Delta and use the warranty. My top is almost dead flat, the biggest feeler I could manage at any point was a .005.
Side wings took a little bit to level and I do agree they are not flat. The mating edge and outside edges are level but the center tends to dip a bit, not enough to affect anything in my opinion.
Fence was super easy to adjust as you stated and my miter gauge was right on after testing. Far superior to others for a factory miter but not the best ever. I will be building some sleds and a new zero clearance throat plate as the factory one is slightly bent.
I bolstered the dust collection a bit by using duct tape along the top edge where the canvas and metal meet as well as around the duct at the bottom. I will be experimenting with other improvements.
I would recommend a dedicated plug/circuit for the saw only as it is an induction motor and will function better that way.
This saw is far quieter than my old one and I look forward to putting it to work.
The other thing you could consider is switching to a 7 1/4" blade. The cut will be thinner than a 10" blade resulting in less dust and waste. Many who use the smaller blade also say it will give glue edge results as the blade is less prone to deflection. Of course the cost is reduced by half as well.
Again for the price point and features you can't beat this saw in my opinion. It would be a fantastic saw for anyone wanting to start woodworking as it will allow for accurate, repeatable results that will build confidence.
Thanks for the review. I keep going back and forth between this/the rigid or contemplating if I want to jump up into that next price bracket.
I recently upgraded to a very large panel saw and was able to sell the Delta for what I paid for it. In fact, nearly every tool Ive upgraded I have been able to sell for what I paid or more.
Between the Rigid and Delta I would get the delta unless the rigid was somehow cheaper.
I have the same saw and for the most part, I'm very happy. Adjustment and fine-tuning are a must. I also have the same unlevel top on the left side, which is a little disappointing and I do also work around it. I'm not sure why Delta's quality control allowed this to happen. Other than those issues, it's a very good saw. I also will be running a dedicated 20amp circuit to avoid the constant trips on the shared 15amp. Thanks for the great review.
Thanks for this review! With the fence removed for storage how many inches deep front to back is this saw? I have limited storage room in front of my cars in the garage
The problem with the motor that someone else was commenting about is really about not using the proper extension cord or plugging the saw into a 20 amp circuit. I researched this quite a bit before I purchased mine last summer. When I bought mine, I also bought a 12 gauge 15ft. extension cord which is plugged into a 20 amp circuit. This way that motor should be just fine. Good Luck
Thats the way I understood it as well. Had the saw 10 months with no issue
I purchased this saw 6 months ago, just a heads up there’s a flaw in the motor and the capacitors are guaranteed to blow, the honor their warranty but only at specific service centers. I’m going through the nightmare currently. Just a heads up!
Thanks ill keep an eye on it. It is a T2?
I have smaller shopmaster version and one thing that surprised me was smooth powerful and quieter motor.Really impressive motor.This saw is on my bucket list.Will look out for clearance sale days.Good review thks
Good luck on that clearance. I have only seen the price rise!
The one time lowes had a sale it was for a limited number.
I appreciate the review. These just went on clearance at Lowe's for 50% off, so I'm giving it a try. I see that the fence is easy to align to the miter slot, but was aligning the saw to the miter slot difficult? Is there an adjustment for that? Thanks!
I jumped on that deal as well. Had to for that price. Still in the box though.. until I sell my old table saw
@@jordandenk563 good luck with the install. I'm struggling to get the rails aligned properly so my fence rides like absolute crap. The bottom of the fence catches on the table extension and the end of the fence catches on the rear rail. I'm about ready to throw it in the trash lol.
I believe this is the video I watched to align the blade th-cam.com/video/AK5MLWRHIa8/w-d-xo.html
One of the best reviews. Very well explained. Thanks a lot.
Any updates now that some more time has passed? I wonder if a large upside down platten w/ some sandpaper glued to it would flatten out that left side.
I never ran into an issue with the unevenness of the table top. I did replace the saw with a grizzly g0623 sliding table saw. I wanted a slider as I got tired of switching to a crosscut sled, I had the money to upgrade, and a good deal on this saw came up. For under 1k the delta is the best table saw hands down.
Just picked one up yesterday. Still in the box, hopefully I’ll have time soon to put it together.
Planning to add the Wixey WR700 saw fence digital readout.
let me know how it works for you
You said that you planned on getting rid of that saw later on, presumably to upgrade. I'm curious if you have done that yet, and if so, what did you go with. If not, are you still liking the Delta?
I sold it for what I paid for it and got a used grizzly g0623 sliding table saw.
The delta was great for what it is. It's not a 5000 dollar saw but it's the best under 1000 by a lot.
Just ran across your video on this saw, had to laugh at the nickel test I did the same thing when I got mine about 4 years ago,good vid
Can you tell me what the total width is for this saw? I'm having trouble finding that spec online. Thanks for a great review!
Also looking for this info as well for my small shop.
i can't find this info anywhere either, they just tell you box dimensions, i'm not setting up a box in my garage...
Just bought one ,waiting to pick it up this Wednesday. Can't wait to get my mits on this blue steel beauty 😁
You're going to be happy with it
This Delta is now $679 usd. I ponder which one is better, that Rigid or the Delta here. I have to say I like the Fence System on the Delta more... I hear/read allot bad stuff about the Rigid Fence System... and what's the point to pay $700 for a Table Saw to then run to Rockler and spend another $400 usd for a Fence System that works?
Compared to what I have right now, which is a Ridgid R4514 job site table saw, this is definitely one step up in the right direction without breaking the bank. Ridgid has one similar to this Delta, but it’s $100 more. Honestly, the cons aren’t that bad, the dust collection and throat plate are easily fixed. Perhaps your saw’s top is off by a hairline (on the left side) due to quality control. It might have received some bumps and bruises when it got delivered (or anytime during shipping). That’s sometimes inevitable. Your table top is still way better than mine. I bought mine thru marketplace because of budget. But since I can’t afford a Powermatic, Grizzly or Sawstop. This will definitely do!! 😂 Thanks for sharing! I appreciate you.
Very similar position here, I'm coming from the R4518 (which I think is possibly the same model). Besides being the second loudest tool in my shop (behind the router table which I'm about to install a new router in finally), keeping the fence parallel while the extension is out can be a bother. Always having to measure from the blade to make sure it's not a 16th off randomly
The Ridgid being $100 more makes this Delta kinda attractive and anything in the realm seems like it'll be a huge step up
Thanks for the thoughtful overview. One question about the design of this saw that I don't quite understand: why does the front rail extend six inches past the back rail on the right side? THanks again....
On the fence theres a measurement marker that sticks out a few inches to the right.
I got one just like it 2 months ago. Really nice saw for smaller jobs. I’m used to using 60 yr old 3hp Delta cabinet table saw that I’ve used for years in building residential cabinets, but the motor went out on it. Is that a Diablo blade that you have on it?
Freud 10" x 50T Thin Kerf Combination Blade
@@carolinaworkshop7091 thanks for the reply. I asked a question in Amazon about what would be the best blade on this saw for cutting and ripping treated lumber. Somebody told me to get a 10”x40T Freud Next Generation.
I was going back and forth between the ridgid and the delta. The delta was about 50 bucks more and I would have to drive around 50 miles to pick it up. For some reason, Lowes wouldn't ship it to the store near me. So, I went with the ridgid. You say there is a difference with the rip fence, can you elaborate, I really can't see the difference.
Its the fence mechanism generally. How the fence clamps to the table, the way it slides and the way it tightens down all feel better on the delta. I also dont like the slots in the fence on the ridgid.
Im sure the ridgid is a fine saw and if its cheaper than the delta at this point I would certainly take another look at it.
Sorry for the simple question. But what do you mean by 25 mils? When talking about the flatness of the table?
Mils are 1/1000 of an inch. Its a common measurement for small things and feeler guages, what I use to measure flatness, come in mils.
I dont get why people complain about a saw's flatness when the trunnions are bolted to the table. This is a product of tightening the bolts on the trunnion and distorting the cast iron. The only way to avoid it is for the manufacturer to bolt something to the underside to mimick the distortion when they mill the top. That's asking a lot for an inexpensive saw.
What's the width (left to right) of the saw. I can't find that spec anywhere and I have limited space.
Did you discuss the accuracy of the blade tilt for mitering or did I miss it? Thank you.
I didnt mention it. I have never gone off the built in stops or numbers on the front of the saw when cutting at an angle. I always use a 45 degree square or something to set the blade angle.
This is probably my next saw; I'm a long time fan of Delta, and the price diff between this and the 5100 is just silly for what is essentially the same saw. For the price of the 5100 you're in SawStop pricing, and frankly that's a gimmick on an otherwise average saw that I just don't need. The ridgid is essentially this same saw. As for the bad fences you find on most of the job site saws, you're not wrong, excepting the rack and pinion system on the Skil and DeWalt; they're absolutely fantastic once dialed in. I'm currently using a well modified, very keenly adjusted Skil with that fence and while the saw is otherwise fine, that fence is something I'll miss in day to day use, even with the exceptional Bismeyer fence on this one. It's very good, again, once dialed in (which shouldn't need to be repeated because anyone using any tool out of the box without checking and setting it properly is kind of dumb, but I'll say it once more - "once dialed in") :)
Sweet!! Besides the obvious things like a great fence and easy miter adjustments, the volume is a HUGE thing for me. So tired of having saws that sound like excavators. I'm planning to upgrade from a jobsite Ridgid R4518 and I think on pricepoint vs features and design this one is winning out.
Theres not a better value. The next model up is at least 1000
@@carolinaworkshop7091 how do you feel about the whole "table not perfectly flat" thing? I forget whether you addressed that in the video but it seems to be the one major flaw in this model besides the brakes and brushes causing some people issues. Presumably you got a flat table (or maybe I have to watch your video again)
@@TracksWithDax No the table is not flat and I address it in this video. So far it has not been an issue for me and I use the saw a few times a week.
How did you adjust and align the blade relative to the miter slot? I just got one and the manual skips telling you how to get a parallel blade...
th-cam.com/video/oDtbQKlYCYs/w-d-xo.html
Theres an allen screw underneath you have to loosen.
@@carolinaworkshop7091 Thx and subscribed.
J, there is included in the box a detailed set of instructions pertaining to that issue! Also, certain you tube videos detail that adjustment as well! My saw was already adjusted from the factory and my cuts are 100%!
@@hazelbelle9499 I did not get any instructions in the box. The manual did not include directions for alignment either. I confirmed with Delta support... I followed all the different youtube videos on the subject and managed to get it to be better than out of the box. Problem is that it goes out of alignment very easily. Delta support told me to return it if alignment was a deal breaker for me. So I did....and got a sawstop.
Thanks for the video, extremely helpful. Any chance you can give us (me) the overall physical dimensions of the saw whenever you get a chance? I'm definitely going to get the saw, but I was trying to get an idea of how it will store in my 2 car garage, and the website doesn't really help. Thanks again.
Any idea on how to align the blade so it's square to the fence. Mine is off about 1/8
There are some allen screw under the table. Lots of videos on it.
Found this video while doing research on the Delta 36-725T2. I think this is the saw I want. Lots of posts and videos about the motor, capacitors and etc going out. Most people say if you use a 20Amp circuit with a 12 gauge extension cord, there is no issue. So, it's been a year since you posted this video and I was wondering if you have had any problems with the motor or other items related to this saw? Do you still like it and would you still recommend it? BTW, I am in upstate SC. Thank you. Great video!
No problems and I think you are exactly right on the wire gauge being an issue. The saw worked perfectly till the day I sold it for pretty much what I paid for it. I upgraded to a sliding table saw.
Yep, this is a good saw. I find it holds its adjustments very well. Make great cuts, I use a 40T combo CMT full kerf blade.
the left side ramp up would be a problem for me, I'm lefthanded, I might run the fence on the other side
Price went up from $599 to $649 at lowes.
When I got mine 6 months ago I paid $650 for it and am very happy with it.
I have the same saw; am having problem with the leveling mechanism where you push down on the blue lever. Even with the 2 feet screwed all the way in it still will not move smoothly. Has anyone else had that problem?
How big is the dimensions of this so I can measure it out in my shop
Please do not take this post as slamming this saw, or its owners. I was an owner of this saw not 6 weeks ago. I wish I would have known more about the below issues before I made my decision on which saw to purchase.
Now, this is a decent saw, but it seems that it often has some issues. Issues that are probably due to its price point. I had one for 2 months and had to get Lowes to take it back. The top was no where near level, but it was not horrible either, at least across the blade. I was going to live with that problem. However, a problem that I could not live with was the slop in the trunnions. I could literally grab the arbor and rock the entire motor assembly back and forth. It would go "klunk", klunk", "klunk". The one on display at my local Lowes did the same thing, though it was not as bad as mine. None of the jobsite saws on display had this issue. Not the Kobalt, Bosch, Dewalt. Only this Delta.
So, I returned my Delta and looked elsewhere for a saw. If you have a decently level top, and not a lot of play in your trunnions (which are not adjustable) it will be a good saw for $649. Problem is these issues seem to be a to frequent occurrence.
I looked at the Laguna Fusion F1 ($999) which is similar in design, but costs $350 more. If you have the money, spend the extra $350. It will be worth it. I owned a Laguna F2 for a week and was able to look it over. It is a nice saw, but it was damaged in shipping, so it had to go back. I looked at the Fusion F1 at the local Rockler, and it is for sure a better saw than the Delta and worth the extra money (if you have it in your budget). IMO, the Delta has two major flaws that I already mentioned. #1 is the thin cast iron table top which can and does sag in the middle. This is because the top is thin and the fact that the trunnions mount to the underside of table top. #2 is there is no way to adjust the trunnions on this saw and I think they were designed to have enough clearance to be easily assembled. So, you get what you get. If they have a lot of slop, your cuts will not be smooth. If you do not have these issues, or they are not too bad, then you can have a good saw. It for sure has a decent fence and rails, better than the Shop Fox / Grizzly and Laguna Fusion F1/F2, IMO. Though that flip down piece flexes way to much and should not be used IMO. Unfortunately, the fence is the only real decent thing on this saw.
I was in the middle of a project and needed a saw and did not want to wait 6 weeks for a replacement Fusion F2. So, I went with one of the other saws that I had originally considered, the Shop Fox W1837. This again is $999, so $350 more than this Delta. Again, that would be $350 well spent if you went with that, or the Grizzly G0771Z (same saws, with different cabinets). There are many things that I think are better on my Shop Fox, than the more expensive Fusion F2.
An example of the quality difference. The top on my Delta 36-725T2 dipped about .014" across the blade, and .019" front to back. Diagonally it was worse. In comparison, the smallest feeler gauge that I have is .0015" and I could not get that under my straight edge on either my Fusion F2, or my Shop Fox W1837. Not in any direction. These cast iron tops are thicker with more webbing underneath. Basically everything is better on these saws, but the fence. The Lagina F1 and F2 have a similar fence to Delta's but the aluminum front rail is thin and flexes too much. The Shop Fox and Grizzly used to have a fence similar to the Delta, but they have changed them and they are now aluminum extrusions that bolt on to the T section. There is too much flex in this area of the fence. Though, the Shop Fox and Grizzly front rail is thicker and much stronger (still aluminum), than the Laguna's. The Delta is the winner in the fence category (IMO).
I agree. This saw works for me at this point in time and I think in the price bracket its the best. I have a shop fox dust collector and love it. The shop fox hybrid saw looks great.
@@carolinaworkshop7091 or Al Smith had either of you considered the Ridgid R4520? I’m looking at either this Delta or the Ridgid and not sure which to get for the $100 difference. Can’t see myself making the price jump to the Laguna F1 or F2
@@mrmyblessednest1722 it came down to the fence for me.
@@carolinaworkshop7091 but you had considered the Ridgid?
I am wanting to purchase this model but have seen issues with the motor burning out. I did notice you reviewing regarding scraps getting trapped below and needing to be removed which could get caught in the blade mechanics and thus possibly burning out the motor; thus leading to the possible reason others are having with the motor and not an engineering issue with the motor itself; in theory. With that, have you or anyone else here had any motor issues whatsoever? Thank you.
I have had no issues. I could not make any sense of the supposed issue with this motor and I think it probably is user error.
@@carolinaworkshop7091 Great to hear. I'm planning to pick one up this weekend. Thanks again.
You cut 50lb boards s thing? Just got mine yesterday. Arthritis in my hips and spine have me relegated to the sofa today. Can't WAIT to try it tomorrow. So today I watch videos like yours. I'm pleased to see 98% good reviews on it!
Is the top FLAT watched a review of an earlier model and the guy demonstrated with straight edge and feeler gauges that the top was not flat off 30 thousands of an inch? I want one if the top is flat. Updating this flat from front to back.
Its not that flat from left to right but is good front to back. Its mostly off to the left of the blade past the left miter slot.
thanks for making this video carolina workshop - big ups
great video review! that fence ! it looked like excalibur in your hand
Thanks. Its a great saw
I just got this saw, its good enough but I am having trouble getting it perfectly level, it is sloping about 1/4 inch towards the back of the saw. It might just be my floor, do you guys think that is going to affect my cuts in any way.
Want to make sure I understand the question. Are you saying the table top itself is sloping or are you saying the saw is not level sitting on the floor? If it's not level with the floor it won't affect your work. If the table top is not level it will most definitely affect your work.
Terry said it right. if the blade is square to the table top, and the fence is square to the blade, you're ok... you could hang the tablesaw from your ceiling and still cut square... (if the physics of holding the material to an upside down saw weren't astronomically difficult...)
Great for household projects
Where did you buy this Saw? I cannot find them anywhere
It only sells from lowes. The email me when the items available feature doesnt work. I just checked back every couple days till one became available to order online.
Delta products are typically decent quality, depending on the item, of course, but finding parts for Delta tools is a serious PITA!
I hear a lot of negative comments about grizzly, but they have replacement parts, along with part diagrams, for every tool they make you can easily order from their website. Its the main reason I have so many old used grizzly/shop fox products.
Just picked this up for 339 today at lowes.
Wow thats a great deal
Got mine at Lowes today for 339. I'm psyched.
Can it take a dado stack
Yes, up to 13/16”
I feel like a zero clearance through plate and a little work on the dust collector will make that a non-issue.
Looks like the saw is blowing wood dust right back at you lol. I have the Cruzer 12 which has terrible dust collection too but am surprised at how little they cared about proper dust collection.
I think that's pretty typical.
I have over blade dust collection now and it helps but it's still not great.
@carolinaworkshop7091 what overhead system did you go with or did you build your own?
@carolinaworkshop7091 I also upgraded my dust collector to the Grizzly 1.5 hp wall mount which is rated at 1280 cfm. This greatly improved my tablesaw's dust collection.
Excellent,what motor does operate on? Three phase or single phase?
All small table saws are single phase
@@carolinaworkshop7091 hi, can this saw be rewired for 240 volts?
What size dado can you use
The manual says the max width is 13/16".
I got one buddy it’s still I. The box I’m ready to Test her out
let me know how it goes
I just put it together and the marking system makes no sense to me.
Which markings? On the fence?
@@carolinaworkshop7091 figured it. I'm so used to working on a grossly reading numbers to the left versus the right
based on the unlevelness and the horrible dust collection, I won't be getting this saw. Just going to save up and get a sawstop.
Not a bad idea. I never found the table flatness to be an issue but it's always good to buy the best tools you can.
Thanks
Mils. ??? Do you mean thousandths ? 25 mils. = 1 in.
mils as in 1/1000th of an inch
I'm getting one !
let me know how you like it
Wow
true
@@carolinaworkshop7091 wow for review as well as the saw! Great job buddy!!!
Christ almighty why am I getting bombed with all these "Delta something or other" table saw reviews all the sudden in my feed! I haven't even clicked one other than this and in fact I have blocked like a dozen of them so far.
When this saw comes in stock online there seems to be an increase in video popularity. Maybe you need a new saw?
I loved everything about this table saw…. UNTIL the MOTOR died. It took a while, but it died. Delta service and Tech Support is virtually nonexistent. I could not get either on the phone after multiple tries and long, long waits.
DO NOT BUY THIS SAW. Replacement motor price range from over $800 to over $1000!
How long did the saw last?
And I'll bet that grizzly miter gauge was expensive! If purchased separately, that is.
Embarrassingly enough, I have to ask, where do you line up the zero mark on the right hand measure tape?
I think I used the fence against the blade to find the zero mark