Story 1: OMG, this was some next-level manipulation. "Give me your dress or I'll abort my baby." Again wondering why would God give children to people like these.
I've known a few women that terminated. Each had their reasons. To young,to poor or had medical reasons (dangerous for them to carry a child or had hereditary conditions that ran in the family). None of them terminated over a dress. Well at least the fiance got to see just how psychotic his gal and MIL are.
One of my friends always has to take a genetics test every time she finds out she's pregnant because she has something in her genes that can be passed on to her baby that would make that baby die an excruciating painful death minutes or hours after birth. Another couple of my friends wanted their babies only to have something happen where they needed an abortion and they were in emotional pain over it because they wanted their babies. This woman had an abortion because of a hissy fit over not getting what she wanted? Insane...
Story 1 omg this woman is evil and heartless beyond. She literally used her unborn baby as a bargaining chip to get a dress, a fking dress, fabric to wear for ONE DAY. She even denied to her fiance just to make op look insane but fell when word got out by fiance himself. Like, wtf were you even thinking woman. You literally just ended so many relationships with not just your fiance, but your entire family and step family and in laws. Was the dress really worth being shunned and outcast? Was it worth it? Entitled Women I tell ya. Never cease to amaze me with the level of entitlement and how far they are willing to go for the most simplest or stupidest things that arent even worth it.
Wow, this is just appalling. Using an unborn baby as leverage for a dress and then denying it to make OP look crazy is beyond heartless. It’s shocking how such a trivial thing could cause so much damage to relationships. The level of entitlement and the lengths some will go for something so insignificant is truly astounding.
Story 1: NTA, Lucy thinks OP being child free makes unable to judge parenting? You know who makes an awful parent? Someone who considers abortion to fit into a dress. There are legit reasons for abortion, fitting into your clothes aint one of them.
Story 2: my response would have been “if you need an immediate answer about what we can do for your wedding the answer is: Nothing!” and then I would have hung up. Definitely do not go to that wedding
5:18 in story 1 Assuming her religious father is Christian (Though this is probably similar in other religions too), infidelity is absolutely a just cause to divorce someone.
I absolutely hate the people that try to public peer-pressure someone into doing something using the "announces other person has decided to do something despite said person never once agreeing to it but by saying no in front of others they'd look like a massive POS" thing
Story 1: That's one of the stupidest ultimatums I've ever heard; "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT OR ELSE I'LL ABORT MY BABY AND IT WILL BE ALL YOUR. FAULT", Seriously? No way in hell i would let someone emotionally blackmail me like that..I would say "Listen lady, what you do with your own body is 100% your decision, but I'm damn sure not going to feel any guilt or responsibility for it, and over a mf'ing dress??? You got some screws loose.."
Story 1: The sister is awful. She's using the termination to manipulate and get her way. OP should not give the sister her dress. It's HER dress! Sister doesn't deserve children, and BIL should RUN! Yes, it's the sister's choice, but she doesn't get to use her choice to abuse people.
Why would anyone think its okay to borrow a wedding dress? That is special to the individual who bought it. If the dress is damaged or stained, are they going to shrug and say, "Too bad so sad"?
1) I hope to heck the OP and Fiance DID elope and took her dress and got married in one of those nicer places in Las Vegas, stayed in a strip Suite atvthe Paris facing the Bellagio fountains and had a fabulous time.
Wait 136 lbs is fat? Jesus I must be a whale! If OP keeps sister and stepmother in her life be prepared for this nonsense to continue and worsen. This immaturity here is dangerous. Lucy is not ready to be anyone’s mother or wife.
If the dress wasn't even ready, how can she have it? It was very stupid to assume that you could have it before it's even ready. There are thrift stores that have dresses for those who don't have alot of money. There was no need for this .
First story abortion opinion: you say you had an abortion, but still refer to SS baby as baby, not fetus. To me that shows you recognize that a child in the womb (even pre-developed enough to see gender) is in fact a child with human rights. So I say you are TA for having an abortion (unless it was medically neccessary which so few actually are now-a-days). In the ss abortion for a dress, you are not the ah. Because she’s literally putting a deadly instrument to another humans head for her gain of your property. That’s hostage taking. You don’t negotiate with hostage takers or they’ll constantly keep doing the same to get what they want. You did the right thing by letting people know and letting her face accountability. I know in this day and age people will not like my opinion that abortion is homicide, but the value of a persons life is not determined by how convenient they are to their caregivers. For the minuscule cases that are health emergencies and rope/uncest, I understand exceptions. But most abortions completed now are by women who have children already that are in their 20’s, not by early teens pregnant with their uncles baby or ectopic pregnancies/potentially fatal or non-viable pregnancies. Abortion is being used as another form of contraception, and that is not okay.
Emma almost got her brother arrested for felony theft. A gaming set worth $1500 takes it felony level. She would be prosecuted as well. It's not worth, the text on the IPAD shows conspiracy to commit the crime; the prosecutor is going to love it! Especially with the of taking his stuff and giving it to family; that's handling stolen goods; another felony. Her family could be done for receiving stolen goods. That's 2 years in prison for each family member and only be if the Prosecution was in a happy mood! Emma would have been struck off as a social worker because of a criminal record and never be allowed to work in any profession involving children or vulnerable adults. She will have an exciting career cleaning .
I feel bad for that poor baby. Its just an innocent child and that sister is crazy and a bad mother. And it's really not OPs fault it's the sisters she nearly killed that baby in the womb idk if she got the abortion or not but if she did she's crazy asf for picking a damn dress over a baby who isn't even born yet
1st story: don't women that are not against abortion stress "My body, my choice?" Where is her body her choice if she wants to get rid of her baby because she can't have a wedding dress then so be it that has nothing to do with you. That's like saying I'm going to burn my house down if my husband don't buy me a car I mean come on now how much since that makes?
"he told her that it was over and that if she did go through with the abortion, he would send the text, call log, and a copy of the abortion clinic paperwork to everyone they knew and would be fighting for full custody of the baby once it arrived." Ummm... He does know that if she goes through with it there wont be a baby for him to try and get custody of, right?
I think he was telling her what he was going to do depending on her choice. If she has an abortion, he’s going to tell everyone and give proof. If she decides to carry the baby to term and give birth, he will fight for full custody because it’s clear to see she will only use the child as a bargaining chip to get whatever she wants instead of seeing it as an actual human being with thoughts and emotions separate from her. He’s not an idiot, the OP was just missing a comma to divide the actions.
You know that the medical term for a miscarriage is a spontaneous ABORTION, right? You know that if the baby died during the pregnancy and the dead fetus needs to be removed it's called and ABORTION, right? You know that when there is an ectopic pregnancy, meaning the embryo is stuck in the fallopian tube and has to be removed, technically it is an ABORTION, even though that embryo cannot survive, right? There are many instances where the removal of a fetus is not murder because it is already dead. It is still called abortion, so do not state as fact that which you do not understand.
Abortion is not murder if the mom had a good reason like SA, medical problems etc. But stupid reasons to "kill" the baby like the sisters reason then yea that's just stupid and evil
You act like it's always a choice cause its an unwanted child. There can be dozens of reasons. I nearly needed one as I miscarriage but didn't pass. That's AN ABORTION it's traumatic and horrific. It can be the result of SA, age, health of mother, non viability of the fetus. It can be pressure to abort even if the mother WANTS to have the baby. So PERHAPS try empathy not judgement. I survived my miscarriage It killed my marriage instead.
Isn't it frustrating how some individuals who opt for abortion are fully aware of the risks associated with being careless in their relationships, yet they remain indifferent until they find themselves expecting a child? Instead of taking responsibility, they choose to act selfishly by terminating a life. Despite the emotional trauma that many women experience after undergoing an abortion, they often continue to advocate for it, overlooking the potential consequences for other women
What about the life long emotional trauma of having a child concerned under bad circumstances? And the trauma to a child that is unwanted and resented? You have to pick the most extreme cases to argue why abortion is bad. Someone threatening to end a wanted pregnancy over a dress, is absolutely not the norm.
@@carmenplangger9417 1. I don't understand. I have never used the story as an example to support my argument on abortion. 2. It's true that some women may find giving birth traumatic, but it's not the experience for most women. I won't justify abortion by citing the minority who face such challenges. 3. Another argument often brought up is quite absurd. The majority of people who have children, even in difficult circumstances, do not end up resenting or disliking their kids. It's the minority who feel this way. Why do some people use extreme cases to justify their arguments?
terminating a POTENTAL life. you care more about fetuses then living people bud. and the whole "Despite the emotional trauma that many women experience after undergoing an abortion" they only get that from the harassment to comes from "Pro-lifers".
I HAD 4 LIVE BIRTHS I HAD FIVE MISCARRIAGES I NEARLY HAD TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR more correctly it would be a Medical termination of a non viable pregnancy. Most abortion are done via a couple of pills. Not a operation. Your opinion on the trauma of birth and loss means nothing to me because I KNOW what childbirth is like I know what carring a child is like I know what loosing a child is like I at 52 NEED A MOBILITY scooter because OF HAVING CHILDREN MY BODY GOT DESTROYED.
Ask yourself if you are okay telling a young female family member suffering from deadly pregnancy complications that you rather she die instead. Now look at your youngest teen female family member. Can you tell her you care more about the ticking time bomb in her uterus instead of her life? Would you force your ten year old family member to give birth, even though it will be fatal to her? If you say yes to any of these, you are a waste of oxygen and space. If you say no to these, then congrats! You understand why abortion is sometimes needed! Also, what programs do you pay into to help the new mother and baby? None? You are forced birth, not pro life.
@@QueenSunstar if you cant handle birth dont get pregnant . that easy .we have modern medicine for that now . amd who the fuck gets pregnant at 10 ? if she was raped then she shouldve acted asap instead of hiding it . and to answer your last question , my taxes as well as everyones taxes goes into funding public school / hospitals and transport . its not my fault your goverment is beyond corrupt that your taxes gets sucked into some rich billionares
threatening to abort your kid bc you can’t fit into your dress is seriously insane logic..
Makes you question how safe a mother she’d be
In essence, it's blackmail, holding the baby's life as hostage for your own selfish desires.
Don't let her blackmail you. She will hold it hostage for the rest of your life. Block them all.
That girl is beyond evil and twisted.
Story 1: Lucy burnt so many bridges over a dress she wasn't entitled to.
Story 1: OMG, this was some next-level manipulation. "Give me your dress or I'll abort my baby." Again wondering why would God give children to people like these.
The world is a crazy place.
because there is no god
Or even real stories
@@kingkongaintgotshitoneme There is a God, you just don't want to acknowledge or admit it.
lol yeah god gave her the baby😂
I've known a few women that terminated. Each had their reasons. To young,to poor or had medical reasons
(dangerous for them to carry a child or had hereditary conditions that ran in the family). None of them terminated over a dress. Well at least the fiance got to see just how psychotic his gal and MIL are.
One of my friends always has to take a genetics test every time she finds out she's pregnant because she has something in her genes that can be passed on to her baby that would make that baby die an excruciating painful death minutes or hours after birth. Another couple of my friends wanted their babies only to have something happen where they needed an abortion and they were in emotional pain over it because they wanted their babies.
This woman had an abortion because of a hissy fit over not getting what she wanted? Insane...
If that's the reason the sister wants to get an abortion, she's not fit to be a mother.
136 lbs is considered fat? Mad times, mad times.
I am 84 lbs and my family constantly calls me fat 💀
@@mycrushisapotato2741nah wtf
@@mycrushisapotato2741 Jesus Christ are they blind or smth? Unless you're like 3feet, you're definitely not fat 💀
Infact you're quite underweight
@@natashamathews6182
I am 5'11 🗣️💯⚡
Must be really short.
Story 1 omg this woman is evil and heartless beyond. She literally used her unborn baby as a bargaining chip to get a dress, a fking dress, fabric to wear for ONE DAY. She even denied to her fiance just to make op look insane but fell when word got out by fiance himself. Like, wtf were you even thinking woman. You literally just ended so many relationships with not just your fiance, but your entire family and step family and in laws. Was the dress really worth being shunned and outcast? Was it worth it?
Entitled Women I tell ya. Never cease to amaze me with the level of entitlement and how far they are willing to go for the most simplest or stupidest things that arent even worth it.
Wow, this is just appalling. Using an unborn baby as leverage for a dress and then denying it to make OP look crazy is beyond heartless. It’s shocking how such a trivial thing could cause so much damage to relationships. The level of entitlement and the lengths some will go for something so insignificant is truly astounding.
Story 1: NTA, Lucy thinks OP being child free makes unable to judge parenting?
You know who makes an awful parent? Someone who considers abortion to fit into a dress.
There are legit reasons for abortion, fitting into your clothes aint one of them.
Actually the sister tried to blackmail OP into giving up her dress or else she would get an abortion.
ANY reason for abortion is valid. If she don't want the fetus, she don't. She is not forced to go through pregnancy. Periodt
Story 2: my response would have been “if you need an immediate answer about what we can do for your wedding the answer is: Nothing!” and then I would have hung up. Definitely do not go to that wedding
Double majored in Aerospace Engineering and Theater?
I gotta say that made me laugh and i don't know why.
I know. It’s just the vast differences between the two. I have both a graphic design/theater degree and I am a private investigator.
Story three it's depressing no one called it abuse which it was.
5:18 in story 1
Assuming her religious father is Christian (Though this is probably similar in other religions too), infidelity is absolutely a just cause to divorce someone.
In the church of Reddit, infidelity is a mortal sin.
The Catholic Church does not allow the annulment of a marriage for anything other than abandonment.
Story two. My children and I will not be at your wedding and will do absolutely nothing for you
holy shit, this woman really used this child who has not even taken in her first light of the world for a damned dress!
I absolutely hate the people that try to public peer-pressure someone into doing something using the "announces other person has decided to do something despite said person never once agreeing to it but by saying no in front of others they'd look like a massive POS" thing
Story 1: That's one of the stupidest ultimatums I've ever heard; "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT OR ELSE I'LL ABORT MY BABY AND IT WILL BE ALL YOUR. FAULT", Seriously? No way in hell i would let someone emotionally blackmail me like that..I would say "Listen lady, what you do with your own body is 100% your decision, but I'm damn sure not going to feel any guilt or responsibility for it, and over a mf'ing dress??? You got some screws loose.."
Erm... She talks about a mother's love after deciding to kill a child because of a... dress?
Story 1: The sister is awful. She's using the termination to manipulate and get her way. OP should not give the sister her dress. It's HER dress! Sister doesn't deserve children, and BIL should RUN! Yes, it's the sister's choice, but she doesn't get to use her choice to abuse people.
Why would anyone think its okay to borrow a wedding dress? That is special to the individual who bought it. If the dress is damaged or stained, are they going to shrug and say, "Too bad so sad"?
1) I hope to heck the OP and Fiance DID elope and took her dress and got married in one of those nicer places in Las Vegas, stayed in a strip Suite atvthe Paris facing the Bellagio fountains and had a fabulous time.
Wait 136 lbs is fat? Jesus I must be a whale! If OP keeps sister and stepmother in her life be prepared for this nonsense to continue and worsen. This immaturity here is dangerous. Lucy is not ready to be anyone’s mother or wife.
Tell the sticky-fingered wife that you'll prosecute for theft. Wait, now the in-laws sceme suggests it's divorce time.
If you let her get away with it once, she will use the kid against you for the rest of your life. When the babie is born, contact cps.
Imaging growing up knowing that you were nearly unalived in the womb by your own mother over a freaking dress
"Give me your dress or I'll abort my baby"
"Oh that's too bad, anyway..."
If the dress wasn't even ready, how can she have it? It was very stupid to assume that you could have it before it's even ready. There are thrift stores that have dresses for those who don't have alot of money.
There was no need for this .
Some people should just really never be parents.
What I would do is lend it, gather evidence and then fight for custody with all the evidence in hand.
First story abortion opinion: you say you had an abortion, but still refer to SS baby as baby, not fetus. To me that shows you recognize that a child in the womb (even pre-developed enough to see gender) is in fact a child with human rights. So I say you are TA for having an abortion (unless it was medically neccessary which so few actually are now-a-days).
In the ss abortion for a dress, you are not the ah. Because she’s literally putting a deadly instrument to another humans head for her gain of your property. That’s hostage taking. You don’t negotiate with hostage takers or they’ll constantly keep doing the same to get what they want. You did the right thing by letting people know and letting her face accountability.
I know in this day and age people will not like my opinion that abortion is homicide, but the value of a persons life is not determined by how convenient they are to their caregivers. For the minuscule cases that are health emergencies and rope/uncest, I understand exceptions. But most abortions completed now are by women who have children already that are in their 20’s, not by early teens pregnant with their uncles baby or ectopic pregnancies/potentially fatal or non-viable pregnancies.
Abortion is being used as another form of contraception, and that is not okay.
Emma almost got her brother arrested for felony theft. A gaming set worth $1500 takes it felony level. She would be prosecuted as well. It's not worth, the text on the IPAD shows conspiracy to commit the crime; the prosecutor is going to love it! Especially with the of taking his stuff and giving it to family; that's handling stolen goods; another felony. Her family could be done for receiving stolen goods. That's 2 years in prison for each family member and only be if the Prosecution was in a happy mood!
Emma would have been struck off as a social worker because of a criminal record and never be allowed to work in any profession involving children or vulnerable adults.
She will have an exciting career cleaning .
I feel bad for that poor baby. Its just an innocent child and that sister is crazy and a bad mother. And it's really not OPs fault it's the sisters she nearly killed that baby in the womb idk if she got the abortion or not but if she did she's crazy asf for picking a damn dress over a baby who isn't even born yet
"You don't know the sacrifices a parent has to make" as she plans to kill her own child. Fucking GROSS
#2. NTA!!!
Don't attend and sever ties with her!!!
1st story: don't women that are not against abortion stress "My body, my choice?"
Where is her body her choice if she wants to get rid of her baby because she can't have a wedding dress then so be it that has nothing to do with you.
That's like saying I'm going to burn my house down if my husband don't buy me a car I mean come on now how much since that makes?
I hope so much this is just a creative writing exercise.
May be maybe not
Story one: who is going to tell the child when she’s older that her very life was put in danger over something that would only be used for one day?
I hope OP loses sister contact because who does that? Sister will just constantly up the anti if OP gives on on this
What is sad, if this is actually true, is that someday the child( if she has it) will find out how little her mother really wanted/love her.
Block them now! NTA sister is sick as hell
See i am petty I would send her flowers every year with a card happy almost baby day
Those are some college degrees, I'm seriously impressed.
to all of these that don't believe in divorce just don't get married
finally minecraft in the back
What is CF?
"he told her that it was over and that if she did go through with the abortion, he would send the text, call log, and a copy of the abortion clinic paperwork to everyone they knew and would be fighting for full custody of the baby once it arrived."
Ummm... He does know that if she goes through with it there wont be a baby for him to try and get custody of, right?
I think he was telling her what he was going to do depending on her choice.
If she has an abortion, he’s going to tell everyone and give proof. If she decides to carry the baby to term and give birth, he will fight for full custody because it’s clear to see she will only use the child as a bargaining chip to get whatever she wants instead of seeing it as an actual human being with thoughts and emotions separate from her.
He’s not an idiot, the OP was just missing a comma to divide the actions.
@@honeybee3019 Where would that comma be? It would take a few words of explanation to make that clear.
This is like an even more psychologically effed up version of "I'm going to SH/end myself because of you" emotional manipulation
She blocked them first
Stepmother can do one.
Shes THE PROBLEM and her Lucy is an issue because her SM encouraged it.
Abortion is murder no matter what.
You know that the medical term for a miscarriage is a spontaneous ABORTION, right? You know that if the baby died during the pregnancy and the dead fetus needs to be removed it's called and ABORTION, right? You know that when there is an ectopic pregnancy, meaning the embryo is stuck in the fallopian tube and has to be removed, technically it is an ABORTION, even though that embryo cannot survive, right?
There are many instances where the removal of a fetus is not murder because it is already dead. It is still called abortion, so do not state as fact that which you do not understand.
Abortion is not murder if the mom had a good reason like SA, medical problems etc. But stupid reasons to "kill" the baby like the sisters reason then yea that's just stupid and evil
What's CF, guys?
It means child free
Child Free
Anyone find it interesting how women will say its okay but need years of therapy after one?
You act like it's always a choice cause its an unwanted child.
There can be dozens of reasons.
I nearly needed one as I miscarriage but didn't pass.
That's AN ABORTION it's traumatic and horrific.
It can be the result of SA, age, health of mother, non viability of the fetus.
It can be pressure to abort even if the mother WANTS to have the baby.
So PERHAPS try empathy not judgement.
I survived my miscarriage It killed my marriage instead.
@@toriladybird511 sounds like you are still going thru it.
Isn't it frustrating how some individuals who opt for abortion are fully aware of the risks associated with being careless in their relationships, yet they remain indifferent until they find themselves expecting a child? Instead of taking responsibility, they choose to act selfishly by terminating a life. Despite the emotional trauma that many women experience after undergoing an abortion, they often continue to advocate for it, overlooking the potential consequences for other women
What about the life long emotional trauma of having a child concerned under bad circumstances? And the trauma to a child that is unwanted and resented?
You have to pick the most extreme cases to argue why abortion is bad. Someone threatening to end a wanted pregnancy over a dress, is absolutely not the norm.
Conceived, not concerned
@@carmenplangger9417
1. I don't understand. I have never used the story as an example to support my argument on abortion.
2. It's true that some women may find giving birth traumatic, but it's not the experience for most women. I won't justify abortion by citing the minority who face such challenges.
3. Another argument often brought up is quite absurd. The majority of people who have children, even in difficult circumstances, do not end up resenting or disliking their kids. It's the minority who feel this way. Why do some people use extreme cases to justify their arguments?
terminating a POTENTAL life. you care more about fetuses then living people bud. and the whole "Despite the emotional trauma that many women experience after undergoing an abortion" they only get that from the harassment to comes from "Pro-lifers".
I HAD 4 LIVE BIRTHS
I HAD FIVE MISCARRIAGES
I NEARLY HAD TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR more correctly it would be a Medical termination of a non viable pregnancy.
Most abortion are done via a couple of pills.
Not a operation.
Your opinion on the trauma of birth and loss means nothing to me because I KNOW what childbirth is like I know what carring a child is like I know what loosing a child is like
I at 52 NEED A MOBILITY scooter because OF HAVING CHILDREN MY BODY GOT DESTROYED.
Abortion is a kin to murder and no one can deny that .
Fetuses are not babies. 🤦🏼♀️
Ask yourself if you are okay telling a young female family member suffering from deadly pregnancy complications that you rather she die instead.
Now look at your youngest teen female family member. Can you tell her you care more about the ticking time bomb in her uterus instead of her life?
Would you force your ten year old family member to give birth, even though it will be fatal to her?
If you say yes to any of these, you are a waste of oxygen and space.
If you say no to these, then congrats! You understand why abortion is sometimes needed!
Also, what programs do you pay into to help the new mother and baby?
None? You are forced birth, not pro life.
@@QueenSunstar if you cant handle birth dont get pregnant . that easy .we have modern medicine for that now . amd who the fuck gets pregnant at 10 ? if she was raped then she shouldve acted asap instead of hiding it . and to answer your last question , my taxes as well as everyones taxes goes into funding public school / hospitals and transport . its not my fault your goverment is beyond corrupt that your taxes gets sucked into some rich billionares
@@harleyquinn5774if that's the case, why are some states trying to get child support for women that have just gotten pregnant?
@@harleyquinn5774 Dehumanizing a developing human being to justify your argument won't help you win your case.