I'm amazed the OP's husband didn't come around and beat the crap out of the creepy ex guy, in fact makes me wonder... where the hell was he and why didn't he do anything about this? There is nothing "romantic" of having an affair with a married woman that's been refusing a guy for over a decade, it just makes the creepiness worse. Almost makes me wonder if the ex-bf has some sort of blackmail on her mother and sister to get them to act this way? Whatever it is... it's downright creepy. In fact the length of time this has been over is unnatural, I'd recommend that they also get an alarm system and cameras installed around their home to make sure that they aren't stalked by that brood (this will also legally protect them in the event they try to make contact, then it won't be "she say them but where is the proof?" type of situation). In fact if I was the OP I'd file a restraining order against the sister, sister's husband, sister's mil, ex-bf, and mom go no contact on for trying their attempt to denigrate her husband (this order should be for her husband's side of the family so she protects her daughter and any other child they have in the future). She should block all of them from her social media and on top of that see if the restraining order can force it where they block themselves from her too, since they are all a threat to her marriage, and very disrespectful to her husband. OP should also have a point relayed that her sister will never be her child's "godmother" because she's too "stalker-creepy" and was trying to get her father divorced from her mom for the sister's bil after many times being told "NO!". As a further precaution I'd recommend to also draft her will so that if anything ever happened to her, that her sister and mom has no option of contact with her daughter till 18 due to the disrespect they showed to her husband and the daughter's father. The father and brother deserves props, because they sided with sister instead of the weird "force the OP back with the ex-bf" crap. They respected the OP and her husband, instead of helping to threaten the marriage.
@@Kalossupremacy3356 Or thinking seriously about getting married made her completely aware of the fact that she didn't want to commit to this particular man or to a marriage at that time. Sort of like "Yikes, he just proposed! Do I really want to marry him????? Uh, no I don't think so. Sorry, NO!" Been there, done that.
Grandparents that threaten "grandparents rights" about a child that has two living parents, and is not born yet, are mistaken about what "grandparents rights" are. Just let her make a fool of herself if she wants.
Parents shouldn’t have to hire a lawyer and spend vast sums of money to defend against frivolous lawsuits. I suspect the OP’s mom will have to spend money on a lawyer for her own divorce. She may not have thought through the financial impact of divorce. She may not have the resources to haul OP to court.
Actually as sad as this sounds ALL 50 states have grandparents rights that allow for grandparents to sue for visitation to ensure a relationship with their grandchildren. And this is a sepping stone for a grandparent to possibily see if a child is being neglected ( if they are looking to gain a more permenant guardianship). However, in a situation like this, i'm sure that the courts would deny such visitation based on her mental stability.
A restraining order against the ex and his family. The sister also needs one. He is NOT was being romantic trying to get OP back after 20 years. It's called harassment and stalking, which is a CRIME.
Sister (when OP’s ex proposes to her right out of high school): This relationship is going to last forever, or else! 😃 Sister (when OP gets engaged to someone she genuinely connects with as an adult): It’s just the honeymoon phase, now about your former flame…
I've seen something like this happen.. Well not this but is this but someone who's latched on to an idea of how a situation is going to play out perfectly and perfectly and refuse to accept any other version of it. Her sister had latched on to this fantasy of of them both being married in starting families with the 2 Brothers For a long time. If I had to guess I'm pretty sure her mother in law was also it was also in her ear by how amazing and wonderful that would be. Because I doubt it was just her Mother alone would have caused this level of psychosis.
Had an ex like that with that delusion towards a mutual friends brother who got a woman pregnant. They were both married for the baby sake, royally messed up family religious in a way that most people aren’t but not in a ‘in your face way’ praying before meals that shit. Surprise, surprise three years later they got divorced because of the shitshow their mom made. Mutual Friend is also a doormat unwilling to stand up for herself (Hakuna Matata doesn’t work in real life she’s not quite understanding of that harsh reality) her brother less so but still has his own issues, the fact ex thought they would be together forever pretty much set the tone why we don’t speak anymore. Then again I don’t even speak to mutual friend anymore because of her blatant stupidity and doormat nature. Her father should have divorced her mother too for good measure because of that shop of horrors which made me sick to my stomach…
I thought the same thing, the only part I can't understand is why he didn't take a stand for his wife and tell those others not to threaten their marriage?
@Diana V I agree. The only reason I can see a reconnection being possible is IF the NC was because of drugs or something mental and that there is a system in place to handle the drug issue and a system (therapy) in place in either situation to handle the mental issue and that the person has done a LOT of growing, learning and changing and has been handling the whatever, is taking medications needed to function and has proven over a long period they have and will be able to continue to do so!!! BUT EVEN THEN, IT WOULD BE A BIG IF AND MAYBE leaning more towards the not likely going to happen
I had people tell me "they are the only family you have" and nothing a family could do would warrant NC. Once I explain about 3 percent of what they did, I either get two responses.... I see why no contact OR buuttttt their family, it shouldn't matter what they do.
That sister did all of this because she wanted her and OP to be married to brothers and "best friends"? Why couldn't they have been best friends and not be married to brothers? Sister is Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs if you ask me.
Well we are talking about 2 screwball women. They had their hearts set on an outcome. I can only think they'd gotten away with it for years before so no one should have been surprised. :-(
She probably only dated the brother to be op's sister & sister in law. Now that dream is no longer viable, she probably regrets marrying into that family & as the old saying goes misery loves company.
Is that really surprising to you? Ever heard of baby pacts? It's when a bunch of teenage girls decide to mess around to get themselves pregnant so they can all be you know mothers together and their kids will grow up together and all that nonsense because they read too many romance stories or nonsense like that they can't tell reality from fantasy and that is their youth showing in a nasty way. The usually never wake up from this delusion until after they have the child and they discover it's not as easy as their fantasies made it out to be. Que their friendship breaking up as they try to blame everybody with only the small small few who only joined because peer pressuring actually being the mature ones waldomore immature ones and sometimes even the ones I just stated double down and believe it's everybody else's fault for not stopping them and their stupidity despite the fact they had tons of people who did and probably would have if they hadn't been secretive because a part of them knew they would be convinced out of it otherwise. Simply hearing that all I got out of that was okay got it through the narcissist who wants what she wants and damn anybody who dares to deny her! It's not that she wants her sister's happiness it's that she cares only about her own happiness her sister be damned. I'm sure if the ex-boyfriend had been abusive to the posters she would have been discouraging her from breaking up with him because then she won't be able to have her fantasy this is someone who really really really needs therapy but her and their mother showed with a final update dad know they doubled down on their insanity and believed they could still Force the poster to endure their fantasies through the court system in the mother's case! But I'm sure in the mother's case she assumed or got talked into that her husband isn't going to leave her over this. So it must have been a nasty surprise when he said they were done and he wants a divorce. Que her having a shocked Pikachu face. I'm sure that's going to look wonderful if she has any money left over after the divorce to even try for grandparent right! But who knows maybe her insane daughter's in-laws might decide to help but they wouldn't do it out of the kindness of their heart and simply despite the poster for being childish and not giving them what they want. I had the laugh and feel sorry for the poster to have to sit through that stupid intervention as her mother and sister tried so hard to look like they were the victims of her not giving them what they want with a crying and thinking oh they're making a breakthrough when no for the poster she was stuck in a room of crazy as far as the eye could see
this what they are saying is right like i said sister is delulu also that is the same saying like Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs is i,m thinking the same thing this person is thinking.
OP is _married_ and expecting a _child_ with another man, it's been _years_ since she was with her ex, they need to let it go, it's not "childish tactics" it's called moving tf on. Op doesn't want him and trying to shove her towards him is just making her dig her heels in further. "I'm just trying to be romantic, but you clearly don't appreciate it." Go be "romantic" to someone who ISN'T WITH SOMEONE ELSE. Someone needs to smack the god complex out of these people, I swear.
It horrifies me that her ex has probably been sitting around waiting for her to “come to her senses” instead of moving on with his own damn life. It’s creepy and worries me that he’s going to snap on OP one day and do harm.
@@hi_stranger9156 He has issues for sure. Idk if it’s because of people fueling his fantasy that they’ll get back together but he needs therapy. It’s unhealthy to have such a massive obsession with someone that spans over nearly two decades.
Hold up. Why is the stalker ex still thinking he has a shot at a MARRIED PREGNANT ex girlfriend? And he brought his mama because Mama's gonna fix things! Let it go Elsa!
Hush now, baby, baby, don't you cry Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you Mama won't let anyone dirty get through Mama's gonna wait up 'til you get in Mama will always find out where you've been Mamma's gonna keep baby healthy and clean "Mother" by Pink Floyd The Wall.
I wasn’t sure what the ex’s stance was in this whole thing (like was he just getting dragged along by the sis?) until it was brought up in the “intervention”. Holy hell, the ex is STILL hung up on OP nearly 20 years later? In that span of time he could’ve found someone who genuinely wanted to marry him, gotten married, and even had a kid or two! A lot of that was probably the sister getting his hopes up, and that’s a damn shame. Edit: He’s been with other people and has two kids, AND still hung up on OP…there really is no helping him, is there?
1. Married 2. Expecting a kid. 3. Made it very clear she was done with her ex Sister and mom: "Are we in the wrong? No, it is OP that is in the wrong." Also, I am starting to think that the sister wanted OP to have a miscarriage.
OMG YES. The ex boyfriend is such a creep. Not only has he been bothering OP for over a decade, but he also does it to his baby momma. He obviously doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing too since he claimed that he was trying to be romantic and OP just couldn't appreciate it... Yikes, I hope these ladies get a restraining order against him or something.
Our dad was a cop. He often said a restraining order is only as good as the paper it’s written on. I know of at least six people locally who had restraining orders against exs... one had to move across country, one’s ex moved on to stalk someone else, the other women were murdered by the stalker ex... one of the women’s bodies still hasn’t been found & it’s been over 10yrs
How in the world did they think their intervention was going to solve anything at this point it had been almost 10 years but the ex-boyfriend was still there and thought it was a good idea
That's what makes the story unbelievable since I've seen a more detailed update a few weeks ago. That one had the situation go international. The OP couldn't get away from the insane mom and sister. The family destroyed over their "want." 🤢
@@despinasgarden.4100 What do you mean? Here, I think they just went NC, her dad divorced the crazy wife, and both wife & daughter were committed to an institution to unscramble their brain. 😆
There was another update! Everyone moved and got new phone numbers, dad’s divorcing mom, SIL put a TRACKER on the dog and tried to approach dad when he was walking the dog while they were in a temporary hotel, all employers were notified they were no contact, they had to cut out some friends bc they were feeding mom info, ex tried to claim the baby was his because they were having an affair and no one believed him but they contacted his employer due to this sort of behavior. All the good family is in therapy, mom and sis refuse and don’t think they need it. Sis threatened to hurt herself if someone didn’t see her kids, so Dad went and saw them and said if she tries it again he’s calling the cops, but that’s the only contact he’s had. Everything else for is through lawyers for all parties.
I used to read these stories and think "I'm so thankful my family isn't as dramatic as this" but I was proven wrong. People will sacrifice anything if it means never admitting to the people they hurt that they did wrong
My life is so weird that I belive most of this stories. My dad's sisters, I refuse to call them aunts, could pull something like this. I trully belive one of them had borderline disorder and the other one just goes along with her her stupidity. One time when my parents were in a rough stop in their marriage(they resolved it) she tried to convince my mum to divorce my father so she wouldn't be the only divorcee in the family.
OP's mum turns matriarchal, then gets upset when OP doesn't bow and submit..... And then still doesn't get it, even when her own husband leaves, and at least 1 other of her children also go no contact with her...... And still tries to play a power card....... OP should go legal on her mum and sister with restraining orders and all......
I have a feeling she will. I mean mom literally threatened to take OPs child from her. Any lingering feelings of affection had to have died in that instant. She needs legal records to show how mom is bad AND not in the child’s life. I’ve heard of grandparents rights when it comes to a grandparent who say babysits the kid every day after school while the parents work (there was a Reddit where a couple wanted to move for a job but because of the grandparent who had been doing that they filed for grandparent rights to either block the move or make the child stay with them) But I don’t think you can declare it on an unborn child especially when her actions have hurt the child. I think the mom and sister were trying to make her miscarry
@@valeriew4833 I used the word Matriarchal. Which according to a quick google search means: "relating to or denoting a form of social organization in which a woman is the head." Also: denoting an older woman who is powerful within a family or organization. "an overbearing matriarchal figure" So from what I can see, my comment is spot on. Though I am happy to have a productive conversation on what makes you think that I am wrong.
To anyone still looking at this... there were two further minor updates. Sister put a tracker on the dog to stalk them, ex got fired from his job for being a stalker. Everyone is still no contact.
The fact that they brought her ex and his mother to the attempted reconciliation shows that the sister is still obsessed with getting OP and ex back together, and the OP's mother is clueless. If OP cut her sister off due to incessantly trying to force her back with her ex. why would mother think that having the ex at the attempted reconciliation would help? And he should never have agreed to that, so he is clearly a stalker himself.
Op needs to do one more thing. She needs to get a restraining order against her stalker ex boyfriend. That way he can truly know its over between him and her while he is sitting in jail.
The Ex just went along with it. He was invited to parties and family gatherings, but was too weak to see he looked as crazy as the mom and sister by doing so. 😆
Sounds like Folie à deux to me. Either the mom was crazy and convinced the sister or it's the other way around. Still, what a weird hill to die on of all things, but hopefully the OP can destress for the sake of the baby.
I also think it's the fact shes older. I cant tell you how many times people have pulled the "im older, so I know better" card. Im turning 20 in a couple of weeks, but it never ends. Probably because I look 10 at worst, 14 at best. My older sister tries to get me out of the house and thinks Im a friendless, depressed, suicidal loner who cries herself to sleep every night. One time zhe showed up unannounced when my mom was gone and tried to drag me out while I was in a towel. She told me Im an adult, but tried to drag me out like an unruly kid in the store. I cant argue with my mom because she get mad and its all "watch your tone, little girl". But she bums money off of me.
The sister is just another victim of narcissist mom's power play. The sisters were supposed to marry the boys next door and stay close and under mom's control. Only one sister was completely brainwashed, and the other (OP) wasn't and made her own choices. Sister is freaking out because she was promised something that isn't going to happen. The god complex is mother's, sister is now just a minion in her plan. While the sister's actions are not good, she is not the mastermind pulling the strings. She just knows the plan has gone off the rails, and is trying anything to get it back on track.
This was written during LG's comments to the original post: I swear on God, On Jah and on Big Smoke the sister is obsessed with the idea of her and OP being sister-wives. Or married to two siblings married to another pair of siblings. Im gonna come back to this after the updates and see if I was right. End of the Video Edit: Called it.
Why...I hear all the story and why,how and again why a mother can be like that and a sister this is just awful poor family,the mother can't see her son and her daughter and now her husband is getting divorced from her,this woman lost everything even grandsons because she can accept that she can't control her daughter future
I could understand the mom wanting her daughters to start talking again. She lost me when she had the ex and his mommy at the meeting. If she really wanted things to work out sister would need to drop the idea of OP and the ex getting back together.
I think why the ex and his mom are still close to the ops mom Is because he is the crazy sisters brother in law still so technically related. But so slimy. I have 5 older sisters and there are always some of us not talking to the others lol. Shit I'm the baby at 58 and we still act foolish upon occasion. But we all still end up together and act like normal human beings at weddings/showers birthdays etc.. but moms still alive. We still scared of her lol. (Naw I love my mom lol she did great raising a gaggle of girls without killing any of us. Feel bad for our baby brother. Poor boy never got to use the bathroom alone. Lol)
OP’s hubby, dad, and brother really said ‘we about to make a king move’ and were kings. Sister and mom need a nice long stint on a deserted island somewhere.
Mom wanted her daughters to get along sooooo badly, she blew up her entire family for it. Now her marriage is over, most of her children don't want to speak to her, she will never have a relationship with her grandchildren I sincerely hope it was worth it for mom
I'm happy for the pregnant woman having so much family support. She may have to take legal steps to keep the toxic people away from her home and her daughter.
If your "mother" cannot respect the decisions and rules you have about your own life, then what makes you think that she will respect the rules and decisions that you and your husband make about your daughter? Are you willing to risk this kind of interference with your daughter?
The entitlement of adults to tell another adult who they are supposed to be with even after she's married is ridiculous!! To try and do this for YEARS is just insane!
Intervention: “They staged an intervention because my childish tactic has gone on too long” You have interventions when someone’s life is in jeopardy. NOT because your boundaries have been violated (repeatedly).
Okay, so listening to the first portion, the main thing I don't get here: If the sister thought this guy (the ex) was so great, why didn't the sister get together with him instead of his brother and why was she so determined to try to force OP to get back together with him? It feels like two Yanderes working together and gives me chills.
Because the sister's fantasy wasn't about being with the ex. It was all about a pair of sisters being married to a pair of brothers, like something out of a storybook.
@@briarrose6442 Two of my great aunts did that- married brothers. At least with them it was willingly (at least I assume such - one was a "shotgun marriage" -lol).
Pre-Update Opinion: I can see the Ex having been fed a line about how much OP wanted them back, as well as not being informed about OP being married at all by the Sister & possibly the Mom. It's not a stretch as the whole story is about how manipulative & deceptive OP's sister & Mom are. It seems the Sister wants to play Dollhouse with REAL PEOPLE. Post-Update Opinion: Never mind Ex is a creep.
They were well past that long before the sister's wedding. Breaking up OP's marriage had to cross their sick minds. The brother should have intervened very early on. ;-(
Someone else’s mental health issues do NOT mean you have to risk your own mental health having them in your life. I say this as someone with several mental health issues.
Thing is, the ex could've had a good relationship with OP if the rejection to engagement wasn't taken as a horrible offense. It could've been taken as "we're not ready for that yet" but instead they were getting mad at OP and harassing her for it.
Look OP I know we as children always has this unconstitutional love for our parents, but when our parents are toxic we have to do what is best for our mental health, the same when your kids are toxic to their mental health. It is hard to cut them off but you have to do what is best for your now family.
I can assure you that it's very easy to NOT have "unconditional love for parents." My father was an asshole, I recognized this early in life, and the word "love" does not describe any aspect of our relationship.
@@snorgviggle5852 yes some of us are born or curse to have asshole parents, we have been condition to love them no matter what, because they gave birth to you, lolol, I believe if any of us could choose who we want as our parents, some people would never have kids,respect is earn not given being a sperm and egg donor doesn't mean you get respect , you don't own your children and children aren't obligated to do any thing for their parents, they do out of love and respect, because a loving parent taught them those traits, sorry about your childhood and I hope you learn to be a better parent to your babies if you have them
It's safe to say that OP's sister is mom's favorite child to go so far to destroy her entire family to appease that witch with a B of child. Wow the audacity smh
To anyone coming back after 2 years, there isorw to the story now. The mother and sister were stalking OP, but an airtag on her dog to stalk her, and followed her on a trip. The 2 of them, including the ex, confronted her at a hotel. The police were called. The Ex was arrasted, fined, and has a restraining order against him. He was also fired from his job and cant get a new job in his industry. The sister tried to k*ll herself after getting a restrainig ordee agaisnt her. Not a single person in the family talks to the mother, who is now divorced. All this because the sister and Ex couldn't get over OP not wanting to get married to him
1st story; reconciliation has to be something both parties want and can't be forced. Forgiveness doesn't mean trust and all those crybaby family members need to toughen their hides and take it in stride.
RE: Intervention I'm having a hard time understanding why OP stayed at the intervention the second she saw ex and ex's mother there. The reasonable thing would have been just to walk out and go. Sitting there and listening to their intervention was insane. Doning so just validated their reasoning in mother and sister's eyes.
Lokisgod, she had to wait for one of the people she texting (dad, brother, hubby, etc) for a ride to get away from the "intervention" someone else took her to the "get together "
@@stacymanning2393 Okay. Still should have walked out after calling for her ride to come back. Deigning to listen to their dreck just encourages them. Get away even if you have to hide in the bathroom to do so.
@@lokisgodhiNormally I would agree with you, but these people sound insane enough to do something like locking the door or physically restraining her to keep her from leaving. I wouldn’t wanna risk it before I had someone else there to protect me and the baby.
Already heard this post but I just realized something: why does the ex have any connection to OPs nephew? Also did the mom and sister seriously try another intervention after all this happened after their last one🙄 Also also: a comment from another video showing this story makes a good point. If OP snapped and the intervention worked what about her baby? There was no way in hell the sister was letting go of her fantasy and her ex sure as fuck wasn't going to accept her baby with another man.
The favorite daughter’s delusions were deemed more important than anything else, and the result was the family splitting apart. This story is just sad.
i just don't get why the mom and sister are willing to throw away their relationship with OP, over someone OP rejected over *20* years ago? Yeah, OP doesn't need her daughter exposed to anyone who resorts to temper tantrums and ambushes to control a relationship. The ex, OP's mom and sister have been beating this dead horse for so long, there's nothing left. OP needs a restraining order for the three of them. This is straight up stalking.
What is so funny about the first story. The fact that sister, BIL, and the ex are being dragged on FB about it, while OP didn't 100% intend it. Kind of sounds like it actually might have been 99.9% intended to happen. I mean she said it wasn't 100% her intention. 😐
OP's mother should not be part of the pregnancy as she obviously doesn't care about OP's mental health and caused major stress on a pregnant woman FOR NOTHING! Reconciliation between OP and her sister could have waited until OP gave birth and the baby was healthy and safe. The mother sounds selfish and it obvious that OP's sister has the same kind of selfishness. This "intervention" was uncalled for and the ex and his mother should never have even been part of the convo as OP rejected her ex's proposal. Once that is over, the relationship is over. OP's family enabled her ex to stalk her for YEARS and only the brother and father have realized how wrong they were.
The mother (and sister) shouldn't be in any part of OP's life going forward. The sister may have been the one visibly obsessed for years but it looks like the mother was just better at hiding her intentions until the pregnancy. I imagine that every daycare, camp, or school that OP's child attends will need to be warned about those two and the stalker boyfriend and HIS mother.
i love how op has proven that when she gives an ultimatun she is going to fulfill it and apparently people that have seen it firsthand still dont take them seriously afterwards
I don't really get why the sister was so obsessed with having her and OP marry brothers. They still could've been close without that connection. Instead the sister pretty much dropped a nuke on hers and OP's relationship and there's no turning back. Same with the mom, if she just would've accepted that things were the way they were, she still could've had her marriage and grand kids. Now they both have nothing but each other.
Holy crap... so OPs mother and sister are not only enabling her stalker, but they are encouraging him to the point it nuked their family. It is best OP went no contact, especially with the baby, she doesn't need that toxicity in her life. OPs husband sounds like an incredible man for her.
Same here. And I also feel bad for OP's baby.🤦♀️ I'm telling you, if that %£?@ing craziness persists, then, OP's mother and sister will, either have to be incarcerated for stalking (, which cops don't play around with ), or remanded to a psychiatric hospital.⚠️
I wouldn't be shocked to find sister with your crazy ex. There's a reason she's pulling so hard for him. Maybe she enjoys the plotting her and ex do. Match made in heaven right there.
Unbelievable. Carrying a torch for 20 years? OP's sister, mother, and ex are absolute lunatics! Bravo to OP's father for taking a firm stand and divorcing his psycho wife. I hope OP changes her number and moves far away. Whatever pain she's feeling now is nothing, compared to what she'll feel if she keeps these monsters in her life.
If Sister is so desperate to have Ex in the family, why doesn't she just divorce her own husband and marry _him?_ That's the only way it's ever going to happen.
Definitely should have said her Brother & Father are pretty Damn awesome for standing by her. You can't blame them for the past when they thought it wasn't a huge deal, & they understood when OP said the X made her uncomfortable. They stepped up after the sisters Wedding & that flirty Bridesmaid situation & seems like every time after
That’s the weird part. Her ex was her brothers best friend so him still being around after the break up would be normal. Also people tend to lean on their friends after a breakup they didn’t want. This is prime example of why you shouldn’t date your siblings friends. All the extra behaviors after the fact and years down the line are just woow.
@@bautistalover Well that's the big issue, its been a couple years, the Brother gets it's not gonna happen & everyone trying to do an "intervention" is off their rocker
@@luv2bevl1 oh I agree. OPs lucky it seems the crazy affects the women in the family and it apparently skipped OP but her mom and sister got it badly. And as for her ex he needs to get over OP and find someone new to love or one of his baby mommas.
@@luv2bevl1 patterns of problems sounds about right. Though with these people makes me wonder if they are all laboring under the same delusions which is a scary thought.
Early in our marriage I taught my husband life skills. He'd lived at home until we got married when he was 28. He caught on quickly then started messing up. I quickly realized he did it on purpose because he didn't want to do the jobs around the house. I started omitting his clothes and towels when I did the laundry. He had to do the laundry or have no clean clothes. I quit cooking because he'd keep piling dishes in the sink. I told him there was no place to work. He started helping again and 54 years later we still do housework together. Natalie should have realized her husband was having an affair. Jessica being the other woman was reprehensible of both her husband and sister.
Wtf about this obsession with the ex? OP should have gotten a restraining order against her mother, her sister and her ex a long time ago. They are creepy as hell
This is a really easy fix! A, change your name. B, take out restraining orders against your sister, mother, and ex. Lastly, proceed to have a good life without them. It's obvious they don't respect boundaries and never will You may feel some lost from never speaking to them again but you'll have a much less stressful life for having cut them out of it.
You can't choose your relatives but you can choose not to have anything to do with them when they are toxic. I know this rule very well. Initially it's hard when you break off contact but it gets much easier as time passes. I like to say just remember the one year rule. It's in the first year that it's the hardest. First Christmas without them is different, the second Christmas without them is much easier. Even if whatever caused the separation gets resolved however it'll never be like it never happened. You can't un-ring the bell.
One could argue that OP ignoring her sister at first was childish, but when we get to the intervention etc We can see that they still were invalidating OP. Instead of just the mum and sister being there, and them apologizing profusely....... They decided to have numerous people there, and even people who no longer mean anything to OP (including her EX who was still in denial) and then try to play a "power card"..... Which is always trumped by the "leaving card", and "blocking card"
more and more of these "interventions" seem to me to be nothing but ambushes. i wonder when folks will start using them to kidnap their target and send him/her to a brainwashing camp.
Imagine Sister as a warehouse foreman. "Okay, X goes in front, Y goes in the back, and Z gets stacked on top." *time passes* "Boss, X has been marked fragile, Y is under heavy demand, and Z is being delivered in fifty pound boxes. Can we change things around?" "No! It was this way at the beginning, and forever more it shall be! I'll devote my life to the status quo, no matter what the cost!"
OP's mom in the first story sounds like she fantasized about having a dream family where everyone is close and help take care of each other. Plus the sister seems ou of reality if she thinks OP who is 1) *ALREADY MARRIED* and 2) **EXPECTING A KID** to just go, "Oh GoSh, I mAdE aN ErRoR wITh ChOoSIng My HuSbAnD!" and go back to the ex. If I were in OP's with the "intervention" I'd walk out and if they try and block me I'd call the authorities for false imprisonment, contact any other *sane* family member for assistance. If they try and take my phone, let's just say it won't be peaceful. And after all that, disown them immediately and file restaining orders.
Makes me want to know what the dynamic was on the ex's family side? Was his obsession the driver that got his mother, his brother, SIL (OP's sister) and eventually OP's mother onto his idea or was it this idea pushed onto him too buy OP's sister, maybe his mother (Really what the hell was she doing at the intervention? What is her part in this story?). If the former how the hell did he manipulate all these people into the idea of that relationship? If the later was he pushed to keep up the pressure when she and him were just broken up via those in their orbit and did it lead to him learning really poor relationship ideas but his was just not as strong as OP and so still held to it 17 years later? And damn between his best friend, his little bro, his future SIL, OP's parents and maybe his mother all were setting up times for him to be around the women who had spurned him...if he had a chance of being a good partner he was TAUGHT to be damn creeper and not taught how to move on. Was he being manipulated to think this is what he wanted or was he doing the manipulation? Seems like there is another story here.
After watching this, I was amazingly horrified. What kind people do that and to their own child (who is an adult, mind you)? Also, who in the WORLD gets MARRIED at 18!?!??!?! Can I point out that OP is a GROWN WOMAN! FOR PETE’S SAKE! SHE CAN MAKE HER OWN DECISIONS!!!!! Side note: What TF! IS up with OP’S ex? He’s hoping to “be romantic” to an ex, who’s married, moved on and now is expecting her first child? It’s been YEARS since Op and her ex dated, he’s still THAT fixated on her? Jeez, man, move on! And can SOMEONE PLEASE PLACE OP’S MOM, SISTER, BIL, AND EX IN A LOONEY BIN!?!?!?!?
I had a very bad family situation a number of years ago and basically went NC for over five years. I mean totally ghosted every possible contact. Things improved and changed for the better but alas another seriously major issue arose with different family member and I’ll never speak to that person again. Best decision I ever made as certain people deserve this treatment.
The irony is if anyone should be upset that Op dump her ex it her brother since she started to date his friend (never a good idea) and he got over it quickly
I agree - that poor poor nephew is going to have an awful life if this is mom and grandma. Honestly I wish there was a way to get the child out of that situation bc he will be losing such a huge portion of his support system and family.
The sister and parents are so out of control. This daughter is a very independent woman, her family trying to control her is in many ways , stalking , non parental rights. I am simple astounded that this family thinks they can control this young lady. Ugggg
I want to make things right, by pointing out how you were wrong.... and I will prove that you are still in the wrong by invalidating you..... Instead of simply saying sorry, and allowing you to see that you can start to trust me again.
Anyone who would facilitate an ex trying to "romance" me away from my husband would never hear from me again.
I'm amazed the OP's husband didn't come around and beat the crap out of the creepy ex guy, in fact makes me wonder... where the hell was he and why didn't he do anything about this? There is nothing "romantic" of having an affair with a married woman that's been refusing a guy for over a decade, it just makes the creepiness worse. Almost makes me wonder if the ex-bf has some sort of blackmail on her mother and sister to get them to act this way? Whatever it is... it's downright creepy. In fact the length of time this has been over is unnatural, I'd recommend that they also get an alarm system and cameras installed around their home to make sure that they aren't stalked by that brood (this will also legally protect them in the event they try to make contact, then it won't be "she say them but where is the proof?" type of situation).
In fact if I was the OP I'd file a restraining order against the sister, sister's husband, sister's mil, ex-bf, and mom go no contact on for trying their attempt to denigrate her husband (this order should be for her husband's side of the family so she protects her daughter and any other child they have in the future). She should block all of them from her social media and on top of that see if the restraining order can force it where they block themselves from her too, since they are all a threat to her marriage, and very disrespectful to her husband.
OP should also have a point relayed that her sister will never be her child's "godmother" because she's too "stalker-creepy" and was trying to get her father divorced from her mom for the sister's bil after many times being told "NO!". As a further precaution I'd recommend to also draft her will so that if anything ever happened to her, that her sister and mom has no option of contact with her daughter till 18 due to the disrespect they showed to her husband and the daughter's father.
The father and brother deserves props, because they sided with sister instead of the weird "force the OP back with the ex-bf" crap. They respected the OP and her husband, instead of helping to threaten the marriage.
Like there obviously more issues going on if she broke it off after proposal
And she tried to set the husband up with someone else at the wedding lmao
@@Kalossupremacy3356 Or thinking seriously about getting married made her completely aware of the fact that she didn't want to commit to this particular man or to a marriage at that time. Sort of like "Yikes, he just proposed! Do I really want to marry him????? Uh, no I don't think so. Sorry, NO!" Been there, done that.
The Stalker EX bf is one of weirdest people in all the Reedit stories I have heard of.
Grandparents that threaten "grandparents rights" about a child that has two living parents, and is not born yet, are mistaken about what "grandparents rights" are. Just let her make a fool of herself if she wants.
All the parents need to do is go to the police and say they fear for the safety of the unborn child and get a restraining order.
I always wanna hear how these cases turn out in court lol
Parents shouldn’t have to hire a lawyer and spend vast sums of money to defend against frivolous lawsuits. I suspect the OP’s mom will have to spend money on a lawyer for her own divorce. She may not have thought through the financial impact of divorce. She may not have the resources to haul OP to court.
I often just listen to videos while doing other things. I legit stopped and looked at my laptop confused and said 'that's not how that works'.
Actually as sad as this sounds ALL 50 states have grandparents rights that allow for grandparents to sue for visitation to ensure a relationship with their grandchildren. And this is a sepping stone for a grandparent to possibily see if a child is being neglected ( if they are looking to gain a more permenant guardianship). However, in a situation like this, i'm sure that the courts would deny such visitation based on her mental stability.
"I was just trying to be romantic" ...to a married woman who's expecting a kid???? Sir, god no please go to therapy
This .... that you dated decades ago!
After 11 years since high school break up?
And this guy has two kids already
A restraining order against the ex and his family. The sister also needs one.
He is NOT was being romantic trying to get OP back after 20 years. It's called harassment and stalking, which is a CRIME.
@@kervinsantos5808 The stalker's ex took his own children and he didn't care, he just wants OP
Sister (when OP’s ex proposes to her right out of high school): This relationship is going to last forever, or else! 😃
Sister (when OP gets engaged to someone she genuinely connects with as an adult): It’s just the honeymoon phase, now about your former flame…
I've seen something like this happen.. Well not this but is this but someone who's latched on to an idea of how a situation is going to play out perfectly and perfectly and refuse to accept any other version of it. Her sister had latched on to this fantasy of of them both being married in starting families with the 2 Brothers For a long time. If I had to guess I'm pretty sure her mother in law was also it was also in her ear by how amazing and wonderful that would be. Because I doubt it was just her Mother alone would have caused this level of psychosis.
Had an ex like that with that delusion towards a mutual friends brother who got a woman pregnant. They were both married for the baby sake, royally messed up family religious in a way that most people aren’t but not in a ‘in your face way’ praying before meals that shit. Surprise, surprise three years later they got divorced because of the shitshow their mom made. Mutual Friend is also a doormat unwilling to stand up for herself (Hakuna Matata doesn’t work in real life she’s not quite understanding of that harsh reality) her brother less so but still has his own issues, the fact ex thought they would be together forever pretty much set the tone why we don’t speak anymore. Then again I don’t even speak to mutual friend anymore because of her blatant stupidity and doormat nature. Her father should have divorced her mother too for good measure because of that shop of horrors which made me sick to my stomach…
Good God, the amount of disrespect to OP’s husband is unreal!
That’s what I thought. He has endured his wife’s family behaving like he doesn’t even exist!
I thought the same thing, the only part I can't understand is why he didn't take a stand for his wife and tell those others not to threaten their marriage?
To say nothing of the disrespect to OP.
I haven't heard the whole story yet but I absolutely hate when people try to get you to reconnect to family. There usually is no-contact for a reason.
@Diana V
I agree. The only reason I can see a reconnection being possible is IF the NC was because of drugs or something mental and that there is a system in place to handle the drug issue and a system (therapy) in place in either situation to handle the mental issue and that the person has done a LOT of growing, learning and changing and has been handling the whatever, is taking medications needed to function and has proven over a long period they have and will be able to continue to do so!!! BUT EVEN THEN, IT WOULD BE A BIG IF AND MAYBE leaning more towards the not likely going to happen
Seriously makes me wonder how they feel about abusive or controlling families.
I had people tell me "they are the only family you have" and nothing a family could do would warrant NC. Once I explain about 3 percent of what they did, I either get two responses.... I see why no contact OR buuttttt their family, it shouldn't matter what they do.
@@sarahloveless1726 something tells me they are controlling themselves.
@@theducklinghomesteadandgar6639 not always, you can also go NC if your family is toxic
That sister did all of this because she wanted her and OP to be married to brothers and "best friends"? Why couldn't they have been best friends and not be married to brothers? Sister is Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs if you ask me.
Well we are talking about 2 screwball women. They had their hearts set on an outcome. I can only think they'd gotten away with it for years before so no one should have been surprised. :-(
She probably only dated the brother to be op's sister & sister in law. Now that dream is no longer viable, she probably regrets marrying into that family & as the old saying goes misery loves company.
Is that really surprising to you? Ever heard of baby pacts? It's when a bunch of teenage girls decide to mess around to get themselves pregnant so they can all be you know mothers together and their kids will grow up together and all that nonsense because they read too many romance stories or nonsense like that they can't tell reality from fantasy and that is their youth showing in a nasty way. The usually never wake up from this delusion until after they have the child and they discover it's not as easy as their fantasies made it out to be. Que their friendship breaking up as they try to blame everybody with only the small small few who only joined because peer pressuring actually being the mature ones waldomore immature ones and sometimes even the ones I just stated double down and believe it's everybody else's fault for not stopping them and their stupidity despite the fact they had tons of people who did and probably would have if they hadn't been secretive because a part of them knew they would be convinced out of it otherwise. Simply hearing that all I got out of that was okay got it through the narcissist who wants what she wants and damn anybody who dares to deny her! It's not that she wants her sister's happiness it's that she cares only about her own happiness her sister be damned. I'm sure if the ex-boyfriend had been abusive to the posters she would have been discouraging her from breaking up with him because then she won't be able to have her fantasy this is someone who really really really needs therapy but her and their mother showed with a final update dad know they doubled down on their insanity and believed they could still Force the poster to endure their fantasies through the court system in the mother's case! But I'm sure in the mother's case she assumed or got talked into that her husband isn't going to leave her over this. So it must have been a nasty surprise when he said they were done and he wants a divorce. Que her having a shocked Pikachu face. I'm sure that's going to look wonderful if she has any money left over after the divorce to even try for grandparent right! But who knows maybe her insane daughter's in-laws might decide to help but they wouldn't do it out of the kindness of their heart and simply despite the poster for being childish and not giving them what they want. I had the laugh and feel sorry for the poster to have to sit through that stupid intervention as her mother and sister tried so hard to look like they were the victims of her not giving them what they want with a crying and thinking oh they're making a breakthrough when no for the poster she was stuck in a room of crazy as far as the eye could see
this what they are saying is right like i said sister is delulu also that is the same saying like Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs is i,m thinking the same thing this person is thinking.
OP is _married_ and expecting a _child_ with another man, it's been _years_ since she was with her ex, they need to let it go, it's not "childish tactics" it's called moving tf on. Op doesn't want him and trying to shove her towards him is just making her dig her heels in further. "I'm just trying to be romantic, but you clearly don't appreciate it." Go be "romantic" to someone who ISN'T WITH SOMEONE ELSE. Someone needs to smack the god complex out of these people, I swear.
Yeah like wtf,did they think like romcom movies it is real life.
It horrifies me that her ex has probably been sitting around waiting for her to “come to her senses” instead of moving on with his own damn life. It’s creepy and worries me that he’s going to snap on OP one day and do harm.
right? and they broke up when she was 18!!! still kids!crazy story
@@lotuslady9821 yeah that baffling to me,the ex should just move on too. OP clearly is no interested.
@@hi_stranger9156 He has issues for sure. Idk if it’s because of people fueling his fantasy that they’ll get back together but he needs therapy. It’s unhealthy to have such a massive obsession with someone that spans over nearly two decades.
Hold up. Why is the stalker ex still thinking he has a shot at a MARRIED PREGNANT ex girlfriend? And he brought his mama because Mama's gonna fix things! Let it go Elsa!
Exactly what I was thinking
Hush now, baby, baby, don't you cry
Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you
Mama won't let anyone dirty get through
Mama's gonna wait up 'til you get in
Mama will always find out where you've been
Mamma's gonna keep baby healthy and clean
"Mother" by Pink Floyd The Wall.
Let it go Elsa!!! 😂 😂😂😂😂
Yeah… and he’s a serial stalker too, targeting his baby mama as well.
Good thing she ain’t with hin
20 years that stalker ex has been hung up on op, like, there is no helping the dude become a not terrible person
Right?!? They broke up 17 years ago... WTF?
Idiot couldn’t take rejection.
I wasn’t sure what the ex’s stance was in this whole thing (like was he just getting dragged along by the sis?) until it was brought up in the “intervention”.
Holy hell, the ex is STILL hung up on OP nearly 20 years later? In that span of time he could’ve found someone who genuinely wanted to marry him, gotten married, and even had a kid or two!
A lot of that was probably the sister getting his hopes up, and that’s a damn shame.
Edit: He’s been with other people and has two kids, AND still hung up on OP…there really is no helping him, is there?
And there must be something wrong with that dude. According to OP, he has done the some thing with mother of his kids.
He’s an alpha widower.
"In that span of time he could’ve found someone who genuinely wanted to marry him..." That is very optimistic of you.
@@CharlesGriswold Yeah, that was before I learned about the other girlfriends and him being obsessive about the mother of his kids 😬
Maybe they were sharing the same drugs. 🤣😂🤣😂
1. Married
2. Expecting a kid.
3. Made it very clear she was done with her ex
Sister and mom: "Are we in the wrong? No, it is OP that is in the wrong."
Also, I am starting to think that the sister wanted OP to have a miscarriage.
Nice Principle Skinner meme reference and yes they are that level of unhinged.
I’m starting to think that the sister may have a legitimate mental health issue. This is way beyond entitled behavior.
Genuinely won't surpise me
It wouldn't surprise me one bit. Though if I was OP consider taking defensive courses because it's only a matter of time before the nuts strike again
@@timmybrasher8730
& a concealed carry permit
OMG YES. The ex boyfriend is such a creep. Not only has he been bothering OP for over a decade, but he also does it to his baby momma. He obviously doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing too since he claimed that he was trying to be romantic and OP just couldn't appreciate it... Yikes, I hope these ladies get a restraining order against him or something.
Our dad was a cop. He often said a restraining order is only as good as the paper it’s written on.
I know of at least six people locally who had restraining orders against exs... one had to move across country, one’s ex moved on to stalk someone else, the other women were murdered by the stalker ex... one of the women’s bodies still hasn’t been found & it’s been over 10yrs
How in the world did they think their intervention was going to solve anything at this point it had been almost 10 years but the ex-boyfriend was still there and thought it was a good idea
It's actually been almost 20 years. They were 18 at the time. He's now 37.
Ikr. I mean, it'd be different if the ex was only there to play along and was just as disgusted as OP. But he's a nutcase
That's what makes the story unbelievable since I've seen a more detailed update a few weeks ago. That one had the situation go international. The OP couldn't get away from the insane mom and sister. The family destroyed over their "want." 🤢
@@jamiesatyr1309 what happened in the last update?
@@despinasgarden.4100 What do you mean? Here, I think they just went NC, her dad divorced the crazy wife, and both wife & daughter were committed to an institution to unscramble their brain. 😆
There was another update!
Everyone moved and got new phone numbers, dad’s divorcing mom, SIL put a TRACKER on the dog and tried to approach dad when he was walking the dog while they were in a temporary hotel, all employers were notified they were no contact, they had to cut out some friends bc they were feeding mom info, ex tried to claim the baby was his because they were having an affair and no one believed him but they contacted his employer due to this sort of behavior. All the good family is in therapy, mom and sis refuse and don’t think they need it. Sis threatened to hurt herself if someone didn’t see her kids, so Dad went and saw them and said if she tries it again he’s calling the cops, but that’s the only contact he’s had. Everything else for is through lawyers for all parties.
I used to read these stories and think "I'm so thankful my family isn't as dramatic as this" but I was proven wrong. People will sacrifice anything if it means never admitting to the people they hurt that they did wrong
My life is so weird that I belive most of this stories. My dad's sisters, I refuse to call them aunts, could pull something like this. I trully belive one of them had borderline disorder and the other one just goes along with her her stupidity. One time when my parents were in a rough stop in their marriage(they resolved it) she tried to convince my mum to divorce my father so she wouldn't be the only divorcee in the family.
@@LadyNikitaShark Wow, that's effed. Glad ur mother didn't listen to her.
@@LadyNikitaShark man, i hope that nothing like that happens again! And also I hope that it gets better or do what’s best for you when the time comes!
@@LadyNikitaShark Not every lunatic has to look like it. Some function normally until there's a psychological break over something. 🤔
@@LadyNikitaShark
Wow
OP's mum turns matriarchal, then gets upset when OP doesn't bow and submit.....
And then still doesn't get it, even when her own husband leaves, and at least 1 other of her children also go no contact with her......
And still tries to play a power card.......
OP should go legal on her mum and sister with restraining orders and all......
I have a feeling she will. I mean mom literally threatened to take OPs child from her. Any lingering feelings of affection had to have died in that instant. She needs legal records to show how mom is bad AND not in the child’s life. I’ve heard of grandparents rights when it comes to a grandparent who say babysits the kid every day after school while the parents work (there was a Reddit where a couple wanted to move for a job but because of the grandparent who had been doing that they filed for grandparent rights to either block the move or make the child stay with them) But I don’t think you can declare it on an unborn child especially when her actions have hurt the child. I think the mom and sister were trying to make her miscarry
You don't know what matriarchy is
@@valeriew4833 I used the word Matriarchal.
Which according to a quick google search means:
"relating to or denoting a form of social organization in which a woman is the head."
Also:
denoting an older woman who is powerful within a family or organization.
"an overbearing matriarchal figure"
So from what I can see, my comment is spot on.
Though I am happy to have a productive conversation on what makes you think that I am wrong.
To anyone still looking at this... there were two further minor updates. Sister put a tracker on the dog to stalk them, ex got fired from his job for being a stalker. Everyone is still no contact.
If Sis and Mom want the serial creepster that much, they can marry him.
The fact that they brought her ex and his mother to the attempted reconciliation shows that the sister is still obsessed with getting OP and ex back together, and the OP's mother is clueless. If OP cut her sister off due to incessantly trying to force her back with her ex. why would mother think that having the ex at the attempted reconciliation would help? And he should never have agreed to that, so he is clearly a stalker himself.
Op needs to do one more thing. She needs to get a restraining order against her stalker ex boyfriend. That way he can truly know its over between him and her while he is sitting in jail.
The Ex just went along with it. He was invited to parties and family gatherings, but was too weak to see he looked as crazy as the mom and sister by doing so. 😆
@@jamiesatyr1309
He didn’t “just go along with it” he’s a willing all in participant. He’s as psychotic as the sister, the mon & his own mom
No. This guy would see an RO as a love letter.
Read a description of a Native American “severing” ceremony. Seems called for here.
Sounds like Folie à deux to me. Either the mom was crazy and convinced the sister or it's the other way around.
Still, what a weird hill to die on of all things, but hopefully the OP can destress for the sake of the baby.
God, that intervention. The audacity of people who think they can gang up on a person and tell them how to feel and what to do.
I heard this story. The has god complex thinking she can control op and the mom encouraging her only made it worse.
She wanted a big happy family...
Now the only person the incibator has is her just a crazy daughter.
I also think it's the fact shes older. I cant tell you how many times people have pulled the "im older, so I know better" card. Im turning 20 in a couple of weeks, but it never ends. Probably because I look 10 at worst, 14 at best. My older sister tries to get me out of the house and thinks Im a friendless, depressed, suicidal loner who cries herself to sleep every night. One time zhe showed up unannounced when my mom was gone and tried to drag me out while I was in a towel. She told me Im an adult, but tried to drag me out like an unruly kid in the store. I cant argue with my mom because she get mad and its all "watch your tone, little girl". But she bums money off of me.
The sister is just another victim of narcissist mom's power play. The sisters were supposed to marry the boys next door and stay close and under mom's control. Only one sister was completely brainwashed, and the other (OP) wasn't and made her own choices. Sister is freaking out because she was promised something that isn't going to happen. The god complex is mother's, sister is now just a minion in her plan. While the sister's actions are not good, she is not the mastermind pulling the strings. She just knows the plan has gone off the rails, and is trying anything to get it back on track.
Yup, sis is an egomaniac
@@lonelyronin2428
I hope you move out & far away ASAP & go no contact
This was written during LG's comments to the original post:
I swear on God, On Jah and on Big Smoke the sister is obsessed with the idea of her and OP being sister-wives. Or married to two siblings married to another pair of siblings. Im gonna come back to this after the updates and see if I was right.
End of the Video Edit:
Called it.
I thought sister wives were for the men that had multiple wives, Idk that was a thing too
@@drkatbun8566 if that's the case then I've not heard that definition before. Apologies
Why...I hear all the story and why,how and again why a mother can be like that and a sister this is just awful poor family,the mother can't see her son and her daughter and now her husband is getting divorced from her,this woman lost everything even grandsons because she can accept that she can't control her daughter future
I could understand the mom wanting her daughters to start talking again. She lost me when she had the ex and his mommy at the meeting. If she really wanted things to work out sister would need to drop the idea of OP and the ex getting back together.
I think why the ex and his mom are still close to the ops mom Is because he is the crazy sisters brother in law still so technically related. But so slimy. I have 5 older sisters and there are always some of us not talking to the others lol. Shit I'm the baby at 58 and we still act foolish upon occasion. But we all still end up together and act like normal human beings at weddings/showers birthdays etc.. but moms still alive. We still scared of her lol. (Naw I love my mom lol she did great raising a gaggle of girls without killing any of us. Feel bad for our baby brother. Poor boy never got to use the bathroom alone. Lol)
OP’s hubby, dad, and brother really said ‘we about to make a king move’ and were kings. Sister and mom need a nice long stint on a deserted island somewhere.
"I would miss my mom, she was a great mom until my sister went over the edge" - yeah and then you saw mom was all in for team golden child.
Mom wanted her daughters to get along sooooo badly, she blew up her entire family for it. Now her marriage is over, most of her children don't want to speak to her, she will never have a relationship with her grandchildren
I sincerely hope it was worth it for mom
Yep. She can move in with the creepy ex and his mom. 👋 😀
I'm happy for the pregnant woman having so much family support. She may have to take legal steps to keep the toxic people away from her home and her daughter.
If your "mother" cannot respect the decisions and rules you have about your own life, then what makes you think that she will respect the rules and decisions that you and your husband make about your daughter? Are you willing to risk this kind of interference with your daughter?
If the sister thought the ex was so great why didn't she date and marry him herself?
The entitlement of adults to tell another adult who they are supposed to be with even after she's married is ridiculous!! To try and do this for YEARS is just insane!
OP and her family need cameras everywhere because this could end up on a true crime podcast.
Clearly, the sister has a real thing for OP's ex. Maybe she should have married him? Instead of his second best choice brother?
Better yet, ignore the laws forbidding bigamy and tell sis to marry ex as a second-at-the-same-time husband.
maybe sis was hoping for a little menage - a - quatre??
Intervention: “They staged an intervention because my childish tactic has gone on too long”
You have interventions when someone’s life is in jeopardy. NOT because your boundaries have been violated (repeatedly).
Okay, so listening to the first portion, the main thing I don't get here:
If the sister thought this guy (the ex) was so great, why didn't the sister get together with him instead of his brother and why was she so determined to try to force OP to get back together with him? It feels like two Yanderes working together and gives me chills.
she wanted it to be sisters married to brothers kind of thing
Yeah, that is very creepy.
Because the sister's fantasy wasn't about being with the ex. It was all about a pair of sisters being married to a pair of brothers, like something out of a storybook.
It's still creepy.
@@briarrose6442 Two of my great aunts did that- married brothers. At least with them it was willingly (at least I assume such - one was a "shotgun marriage" -lol).
Twitter dweller: "There's no such thing as toxic-shipping!"
Me: "Uh-huh... want me put bells on my other leg?"
Or "Yeah right and I'm selling the Mackinac Bridge."
Pre-Update Opinion: I can see the Ex having been fed a line about how much OP wanted them back, as well as not being informed about OP being married at all by the Sister & possibly the Mom. It's not a stretch as the whole story is about how manipulative & deceptive OP's sister & Mom are. It seems the Sister wants to play Dollhouse with REAL PEOPLE.
Post-Update Opinion: Never mind Ex is a creep.
They were well past that long before the sister's wedding. Breaking up OP's marriage had to cross their sick minds. The brother should have intervened very early on. ;-(
Someone else’s mental health issues do NOT mean you have to risk your own mental health having them in your life. I say this as someone with several mental health issues.
Thing is, the ex could've had a good relationship with OP if the rejection to engagement wasn't taken as a horrible offense. It could've been taken as "we're not ready for that yet" but instead they were getting mad at OP and harassing her for it.
Look OP I know we as children always has this unconstitutional love for our parents, but when our parents are toxic we have to do what is best for our mental health, the same when your kids are toxic to their mental health. It is hard to cut them off but you have to do what is best for your now family.
I can assure you that it's very easy to NOT have "unconditional love for parents." My father was an asshole, I recognized this early in life, and the word "love" does not describe any aspect of our relationship.
@@snorgviggle5852 yes some of us are born or curse to have asshole parents, we have been condition to love them no matter what, because they gave birth to you, lolol, I believe if any of us could choose who we want as our parents, some people would never have kids,respect is earn not given being a sperm and egg donor doesn't mean you get respect , you don't own your children and children aren't obligated to do any thing for their parents, they do out of love and respect, because a loving parent taught them those traits, sorry about your childhood and I hope you learn to be a better parent to your babies if you have them
It's safe to say that OP's sister is mom's favorite child to go so far to destroy her entire family to appease that witch with a B of child. Wow the audacity smh
To anyone coming back after 2 years, there isorw to the story now.
The mother and sister were stalking OP, but an airtag on her dog to stalk her, and followed her on a trip. The 2 of them, including the ex, confronted her at a hotel. The police were called. The Ex was arrasted, fined, and has a restraining order against him. He was also fired from his job and cant get a new job in his industry. The sister tried to k*ll herself after getting a restrainig ordee agaisnt her. Not a single person in the family talks to the mother, who is now divorced.
All this because the sister and Ex couldn't get over OP not wanting to get married to him
Jeez. I have heard of mass phychosis but never believed it until now. Mom, sister and ex are all in a feedback loop of delusions.
It's ironic that the sister was so focused on the married to brothers part, that she forgot about the being best friends part.
1st story; reconciliation has to be something both parties want and can't be forced. Forgiveness doesn't mean trust and all those crybaby family members need to toughen their hides and take it in stride.
All this for breaking up with an 18yr old a million years ago?
Back when the 1st HALO came out😯
RE: Intervention I'm having a hard time understanding why OP stayed at the intervention the second she saw ex and ex's mother there. The reasonable thing would have been just to walk out and go. Sitting there and listening to their intervention was insane. Doning so just validated their reasoning in mother and sister's eyes.
Lokisgod, she had to wait for one of the people she texting (dad, brother, hubby, etc) for a ride to get away from the "intervention" someone else took her to the "get together "
@@stacymanning2393 Okay. Still should have walked out after calling for her ride to come back. Deigning to listen to their dreck just encourages them. Get away even if you have to hide in the bathroom to do so.
@@lokisgodhiNormally I would agree with you, but these people sound insane enough to do something like locking the door or physically restraining her to keep her from leaving. I wouldn’t wanna risk it before I had someone else there to protect me and the baby.
What a messed up family. Op has done the only thing she can to protect her health, marriage and baby. I wish her and her husband all the best.
HOLY CRAP!!! How much do have to lose before you cut it out and leave her alone, the mom and sister belong with each other.
I can't come up with a clear motive for her sister's actions. This is pure insanity.
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Already heard this post but I just realized something: why does the ex have any connection to OPs nephew?
Also did the mom and sister seriously try another intervention after all this happened after their last one🙄
Also also: a comment from another video showing this story makes a good point. If OP snapped and the intervention worked what about her baby? There was no way in hell the sister was letting go of her fantasy and her ex sure as fuck wasn't going to accept her baby with another man.
It’s his nephew too (OP’s sister married his brother)
The favorite daughter’s delusions were deemed more important than anything else, and the result was the family splitting apart. This story is just sad.
i just don't get why the mom and sister are willing to throw away their relationship with OP, over someone OP rejected over *20* years ago? Yeah, OP doesn't need her daughter exposed to anyone who resorts to temper tantrums and ambushes to control a relationship. The ex, OP's mom and sister have been beating this dead horse for so long, there's nothing left. OP needs a restraining order for the three of them. This is straight up stalking.
What is so funny about the first story. The fact that sister, BIL, and the ex are being dragged on FB about it, while OP didn't 100% intend it. Kind of sounds like it actually might have been 99.9% intended to happen. I mean she said it wasn't 100% her intention. 😐
oftentimes the best defense is...scorched earth.
they didn't let up, and they got what they deserved.
OP's mother should not be part of the pregnancy as she obviously doesn't care about OP's mental health and caused major stress on a pregnant woman FOR NOTHING! Reconciliation between OP and her sister could have waited until OP gave birth and the baby was healthy and safe. The mother sounds selfish and it obvious that OP's sister has the same kind of selfishness. This "intervention" was uncalled for and the ex and his mother should never have even been part of the convo as OP rejected her ex's proposal. Once that is over, the relationship is over. OP's family enabled her ex to stalk her for YEARS and only the brother and father have realized how wrong they were.
The mother (and sister) shouldn't be in any part of OP's life going forward. The sister may have been the one visibly obsessed for years but it looks like the mother was just better at hiding her intentions until the pregnancy. I imagine that every daycare, camp, or school that OP's child attends will need to be warned about those two and the stalker boyfriend and HIS mother.
@@RudesMom Yeah, the updates prove that the mother and daughter are narcissists.
Best example of two people refusing to take the word "NO" for an answer.
Not just from op. They don't even have a family to be perfect with because everyone's got out of that mess.
OMG, the mom threatened to take away her kid? jesus, have a restraining order against her too
i love how op has proven that when she gives an ultimatun she is going to fulfill it and apparently people that have seen it firsthand still dont take them seriously afterwards
I don't really get why the sister was so obsessed with having her and OP marry brothers. They still could've been close without that connection. Instead the sister pretty much dropped a nuke on hers and OP's relationship and there's no turning back. Same with the mom, if she just would've accepted that things were the way they were, she still could've had her marriage and grand kids. Now they both have nothing but each other.
Holy crap... so OPs mother and sister are not only enabling her stalker, but they are encouraging him to the point it nuked their family. It is best OP went no contact, especially with the baby, she doesn't need that toxicity in her life. OPs husband sounds like an incredible man for her.
Not only is OP married and pregnant, the ex has TWO CHILDREN with another gf!! Was it something in the water! What made them all go crazy?
Good intentioned? The road to hell is paved in good intentions. What kind of excuse is that for bad behavior?
OP should have files restraining orders. Mom is fawning over her golden daughter. OP just cant see it.
I truly truly feel bad for OP & her family. I wish OP the best. I cannot understand the Sisters obsession over this.. it’s so unhealthy & creepy
Same here. And I also feel bad for OP's baby.🤦♀️ I'm telling you, if that %£?@ing craziness persists, then, OP's mother and sister will, either have to be incarcerated for stalking (, which cops don't play around with ), or remanded to a psychiatric hospital.⚠️
I wouldn't be shocked to find sister with your crazy ex. There's a reason she's pulling so hard for him. Maybe she enjoys the plotting her and ex do. Match made in heaven right there.
I saw this video many times but still, the story made think _"Yep, mom and sis are unhinged."_
Unbelievable. Carrying a torch for 20 years? OP's sister, mother, and ex are absolute lunatics! Bravo to OP's father for taking a firm stand and divorcing his psycho wife. I hope OP changes her number and moves far away. Whatever pain she's feeling now is nothing, compared to what she'll feel if she keeps these monsters in her life.
If Sister is so desperate to have Ex in the family, why doesn't she just divorce her own husband and marry _him?_ That's the only way it's ever going to happen.
Definitely should have said her Brother & Father are pretty Damn awesome for standing by her. You can't blame them for the past when they thought it wasn't a huge deal, & they understood when OP said the X made her uncomfortable. They stepped up after the sisters Wedding & that flirty Bridesmaid situation & seems like every time after
That’s the weird part. Her ex was her brothers best friend so him still being around after the break up would be normal. Also people tend to lean on their friends after a breakup they didn’t want. This is prime example of why you shouldn’t date your siblings friends. All the extra behaviors after the fact and years down the line are just woow.
@@bautistalover Well that's the big issue, its been a couple years, the Brother gets it's not gonna happen & everyone trying to do an "intervention" is off their rocker
@@luv2bevl1 oh I agree. OPs lucky it seems the crazy affects the women in the family and it apparently skipped OP but her mom and sister got it badly. And as for her ex he needs to get over OP and find someone new to love or one of his baby mommas.
@@bautistalover apparently with the X he's just as if not more crazy! Since it seems he's got a pattern of problems.
@@luv2bevl1 patterns of problems sounds about right. Though with these people makes me wonder if they are all laboring under the same delusions which is a scary thought.
Early in our marriage I taught my husband life skills. He'd lived at home until we got married when he was 28. He caught on quickly then started messing up. I quickly realized he did it on purpose because he didn't want to do the jobs around the house. I started omitting his clothes and towels when I did the laundry. He had to do the laundry or have no clean clothes. I quit cooking because he'd keep piling dishes in the sink. I told him there was no place to work. He started helping again and 54 years later we still do housework together. Natalie should have realized her husband was having an affair. Jessica being the other woman was reprehensible of both her husband and sister.
Love how you keep us updated!
Wtf about this obsession with the ex? OP should have gotten a restraining order against her mother, her sister and her ex a long time ago. They are creepy as hell
This is a really easy fix! A, change your name. B, take out restraining orders against your sister, mother, and ex. Lastly, proceed to have a good life without them. It's obvious they don't respect boundaries and never will You may feel some lost from never speaking to them again but you'll have a much less stressful life for having cut them out of it.
You can't choose your relatives but you can choose not to have anything to do with them when they are toxic. I know this rule very well. Initially it's hard when you break off contact but it gets much easier as time passes. I like to say just remember the one year rule. It's in the first year that it's the hardest. First Christmas without them is different, the second Christmas without them is much easier. Even if whatever caused the separation gets resolved however it'll never be like it never happened. You can't un-ring the bell.
Bruh my family may be "blows the shed up making meth" crazy but they aren't this level of crazy.
One could argue that OP ignoring her sister at first was childish, but when we get to the intervention etc
We can see that they still were invalidating OP.
Instead of just the mum and sister being there, and them apologizing profusely.......
They decided to have numerous people there, and even people who no longer mean anything to OP (including her EX who was still in denial) and then try to play a "power card".....
Which is always trumped by the "leaving card", and "blocking card"
more and more of these "interventions" seem to me to be nothing but ambushes. i wonder when folks will start using them to kidnap their target and send him/her to a brainwashing camp.
So, how much insanity you can display?
The mother and sister: YES
This is one of my favorite stories. I come back again and again to this one.
Imagine Sister as a warehouse foreman.
"Okay, X goes in front, Y goes in the back, and Z gets stacked on top."
*time passes*
"Boss, X has been marked fragile, Y is under heavy demand, and Z is being delivered in fifty pound boxes. Can we change things around?"
"No! It was this way at the beginning, and forever more it shall be! I'll devote my life to the status quo, no matter what the cost!"
OP's mom in the first story sounds like she fantasized about having a dream family where everyone is close and help take care of each other. Plus the sister seems ou of reality if she thinks OP who is 1) *ALREADY MARRIED* and 2) **EXPECTING A KID** to just go, "Oh GoSh, I mAdE aN ErRoR wITh ChOoSIng My HuSbAnD!" and go back to the ex.
If I were in OP's with the "intervention" I'd walk out and if they try and block me I'd call the authorities for false imprisonment, contact any other *sane* family member for assistance. If they try and take my phone, let's just say it won't be peaceful. And after all that, disown them immediately and file restaining orders.
I hope Op gets to choose her mom’s nursing home
"they hoped to repair things"
by raking you over the coals for how wrong you have been? interesting choice.
Makes me want to know what the dynamic was on the ex's family side? Was his obsession the driver that got his mother, his brother, SIL (OP's sister) and eventually OP's mother onto his idea or was it this idea pushed onto him too buy OP's sister, maybe his mother (Really what the hell was she doing at the intervention? What is her part in this story?).
If the former how the hell did he manipulate all these people into the idea of that relationship?
If the later was he pushed to keep up the pressure when she and him were just broken up via those in their orbit and did it lead to him learning really poor relationship ideas but his was just not as strong as OP and so still held to it 17 years later? And damn between his best friend, his little bro, his future SIL, OP's parents and maybe his mother all were setting up times for him to be around the women who had spurned him...if he had a chance of being a good partner he was TAUGHT to be damn creeper and not taught how to move on.
Was he being manipulated to think this is what he wanted or was he doing the manipulation?
Seems like there is another story here.
see my previous suggestion of a bunch of semi-incestuous dynasty builders....
There are much worse things than cutting off toxic family.
After watching this, I was amazingly horrified. What kind people do that and to their own child (who is an adult, mind you)? Also, who in the WORLD gets MARRIED at 18!?!??!?! Can I point out that OP is a GROWN WOMAN! FOR PETE’S SAKE! SHE CAN MAKE HER OWN DECISIONS!!!!! Side note: What TF! IS up with OP’S ex? He’s hoping to “be romantic” to an ex, who’s married, moved on and now is expecting her first child? It’s been YEARS since Op and her ex dated, he’s still THAT fixated on her? Jeez, man, move on! And can SOMEONE PLEASE PLACE OP’S MOM, SISTER, BIL, AND EX IN A LOONEY BIN!?!?!?!?
Sounds like OP was prescient about her ex. Glad he gets that she doesn't appreciate his romantic intentions though, he's real sharp there lol.
Love for OP to give us all an update on how things going for her now. This story is just insane!
I had a very bad family situation a number of years ago and basically went NC for over five years. I mean totally ghosted every possible contact. Things improved and changed for the better but alas another seriously major issue arose with different family member and I’ll never speak to that person again. Best decision I ever made as certain people deserve this treatment.
Imagine threatening to fight for custody of your grandkids over this.
when a six year marriage is a "childish tactic"
Sometimes you need to not just walk away, but run away.
Being a grandparent is a privilage NOT a right.
Where does the sister get off thinking she can decide OP’s life?
The irony is if anyone should be upset that Op dump her ex it her brother since she started to date his friend (never a good idea) and he got over it quickly
I agree - that poor poor nephew is going to have an awful life if this is mom and grandma. Honestly I wish there was a way to get the child out of that situation bc he will be losing such a huge portion of his support system and family.
That kid is doomed
1st story. Whats to be confused about? Mom broke YOUR rules and already was told she would be cut off but OP gave her another chance. Smh
The sister and parents are so out of control. This daughter is a very independent woman, her family trying to control her is in many ways , stalking , non parental rights. I am simple astounded that this family thinks they can control this young lady. Ugggg
I want to make things right, by pointing out how you were wrong.... and I will prove that you are still in the wrong by invalidating you.....
Instead of simply saying sorry, and allowing you to see that you can start to trust me again.
I'm pretty sure any stoppage of family problems will never end until a 9 is introduced by someone.
I feel really bad for the sister's kid, stuck being raised by delusional narcissists.