I’m in a first week of RRE. Have to say, as someone with well over a thousand hours in ACC, rF2 and AMS2, I’m very impressed. It’s like actually being in a race or something!
Good work! Glad you posted this anyway. I remember once I scheduled a video about a certain rfactor 2 topic to go live the next evening. Then Gamermuscle released basically the exact same video that same day. The choice was to abandon the video or let it go live according to schedule... So obviously I killed the schedule and made it go live immediately after his 😅
So what if someone else did a video you want to do. Your take on it will be different than anyone else. That makes it interesting. Keep doing what you are doing and NEVER be sorry about it.
Best advice for getting into RRR, drive the GTR2 Corvette and BMW M2, as well as the GTR 1 Ford GT and any of the DTM cars - forget about comparing any sim to another, that is a waste of time, and does a disservice to both sims. Just enjoy what each does right, and ignore both of their small imperfections ;)
Compassion is just stupid, no one here is even close to a racedriver and whatever sim we use they are all good enough to give a taste of racing. Just play all sims and enjoy them for what they are.
Just because the sound in Raceroom is louder doesn't mean it's better, i prefer the ACC sounds, you hear more stuff than just the motor. Physics, FF also goes to ACC for ME, and i'm not a "ACC fanboy" i haven't raced ACC for the past 2-3 weeks, i have been trying to get my Rep up in Raceroom :)
Good work on that topic. Ermins Video made me curious on how RaceRoom has developed over the past few years. Before reinstalling it and updating the game to its latest version, I havent played it for at least 4-5 years. Started it up, did some tweeking on the wheelsettings, grabbed a DTM car and finally got out on track. I´m used to ACC which is my daily driver for a couple of months now (did not ever think that driving GT cars will be "my thing", I was more of the formula, LMP prototype guy), so I can compare both sims as well. I mean ACC is kind of the "no brainer" when it comes to GT Racing. You can´t do anything wrong by giving it a try. But back to raceroom: the amount of work and ongoing evolution the developers have put into this game, is nothing more than impressive. I´ve never felt more detailed and better force feedback anywhere before. Regarding Sound I´d prefer racerooms engine sounds over ACC´s. The engines sound more natural - but ACC is way better when it comes to...let´s say "sound effects" like if you´re rolling over a curb (nearly impossible to hear in R3E) or just the sound of gravel hitting the chassis while driving. I´m curious how R3E´s FFB will feel using the CSL DD.
I'm extremely sensitve when it comes to FFB. Playing with a Fanatec DD 8 Nm, my suggestion is to keep the RaceRoom FFB settings as standard but lower FFB Strength to 70 to avoid clipping in most cars and situations. Then in a Fanatec DD, stick to standard settings but turn NDP Off (damping) and INT Off (intrapolation) as well. The result is perfect - now it's only my own skills as a driver that's the bottleneck. I completely forget my gear and that it's a game while racing. With stronger wheels, do the same but possibly lower FFB Strength further. WIth weaker wheels, you might need to decrease linearity, which in my opinion ruins the dynamic range, so try to keep this at 100 if you can. Also, with weaker wheels, you may increase FFB Strength, but more clipping in high FFB situations is the trade-off. See you in ranked races!
hello! great comparison and really helpful. i drive porsche 911 gt3 in acc. if i go to RR, porsche 911 gt3 will have almost the same ffb as we talk about the same car?
@@Boonatix acc feels so sensitive and punishes you hard if you are inaccurate and not smooth. When i jump to other game( ac or rr ), i find it hard to adjust to acc when i come back to it in terms of ffb
I tried raceroom for the first time today and drove a lot of laps in Spa with a Gt3 M6 and well... I don't know if I'm doing something wrong (I'm not that good), but raceroom was way easier. Almost impossible to spin the car. It felt like the limit was way, way, way more far away from what ACC allows. It's a lot of fun and I guess for starters, raceroom is a lot less punishing. Hard to compare, in ACC you really can't do mistakes too much, in rr it almost was a little "arcady"
Raceroom really needs a way to win VRP for free by racing in ranked races! If they become a real F2P game a lot of people would come to the game, you could still buy things with money to avoid grinding
GT3 is not enough ACC2 ! - ACC 2 is great, i enjoy it - but we need ACC 2+ another series in next years! - RR3E new FFB, great cars, race tracks & so many moore! 2 best race sims!
"Playing other sims makes you better". That is The Ultimate Truth. Nowadays (from a perspective of guy who started somewhere around Microprose Grand Prix) simracers do one massive mistake. They start simracing and immediately go for fastest aero cars full of electronic gimmicks. They quickly get to midpack zone. But give them car which has less aero, no abs and TC. Brake control, throttle control? Nowhere to find, the cars they started to drive with mask all the bad habits. Real race drivers starting with go karts etc has its purpose.
Which game(s) would you suggest to race/drive such low spec cars ? I currently race on ACC and would like to see how it would translate into one of the lower end cars.
@@TheSpyGuy712 AC, rF2, AMS, AMS2, R3E. But do not mismatch difficult cars with low-spec. For example old formulas, GTR1 etc. are massive beasts. You will have fun with brasilian stock cars too. Just that having the full feeling for it, you need a clutch and a H shifter too for older stuff, paddles and autoclutch/autoblip kill 9/10 of the driving.
@@adamkomac9852 no, I play the game too. Your right, some of the sounds are really good; but all in all I think RRE has nailed it, slightly better, for e.g. the M6. But then again, it’s all in the ear, of the beholder😉
Oh, no laser scans in Raceroom!? Now I know why the FFB is so dull. Tracks always feel boring and flat, well, because they are. You would think they'd just add some artificial/random bumps, but apparently not.
yeah, Laser Scanned is overhyped these days, and is not the reason you're feeling dull FFB. Watkins Glen on Raceroom is way more accurately detailed then other sims, as an example. All the tracks are fantastic, though they do lack a bit of graphical fidelity. Bumps, undulations, etc is all there. But more importantly: the handling physics are top notch. You just need a decent (15+ NM DD) Wheel. Hopefully R3E tweaks the FFB for the lower end wheels.
@@AtomicAndi Well, I don't know the ins and outs of the FFB, but I do know the track feels a bit lifeless on my G29, but better on my Simagic M10. It is, however, absolutely fantastic on my VRS Direct Force Pro to the point where I prefer R3E FFB to any other Sim (ACC is right up there as well).
@@bjornromermann5080 Thanks for insisting. It's actually great, now that I tested other combos. My frustration was mainly with Portimao and Sepang. And probably not the best settings yet.
RaceRoom is definitely a viable sim, but to me, it's graphics and sounds feel more on par with DiRT 2 rather than any of the other well known sims. This is why I chose ACC in the first place. It's sound design is, in my opinion, the best out there, and it looks good even on lower graphics, while RR feels flat and washed out, both in graphics and sound. P.S.: Knee reveal at 11:20 👀
I'd rather have a sim that runs well, and looks good on an average gaming rig, than a sim which needs at least a last generation i9 9900K with a 2080Ti to even get off the ground. ACC, while it drives well, is an utter dog turd of non-optimisation. The only reason I consider it playable is because I'm using an i9 11900k with a 3090.
the graphics in rr working smoother than in acc a lot off stutering and i have a brand new pc i get in iracing 180 fps rr 120 fps and in acc 80 fps at the max
I like raceroom,but out of all the sims I have its the only one that will just crash and give me trouble,stopped playing for this reason only,so annoying raceroom has the best gearshifts of the them all hands down.
I have used raceroom for almost 1,5 years now. Lately I have had the odd crash, but this is maybe once a month (playing every day). What I am trying to say is that you might have a technical issue. Have you tried verifying the integrity of the files in steam?
@@jaccooccaj217 …and if that doesn't work, try uninstalling in Steam, deleting all leftover files, and reinstalling in Steam, using the default installation folder. A pain, but what do you have to lose. It costs only your time. (I went through this with rfactor2)
Raceroom and RF2 has same thing what you say about rear step out when you brake hard and maybe too late. I say maybe becouse sometimes i brake later and it's not happend but sometimes it will even i brake earlier. You can try that straight line brake hard and rear will step out. I have try many things but i havent find solution on that.
Hmm why would you compare a highly specialized, FIA licenced sim of ONE race series like ACC with a very broad sim offering like the one from S3 ( aka R3E) ? Don't get me wrong, but if I want to race Gt3 and 4 only on a limited number of authentic , laserscanned tracks and in high quality ( graphics, physics ) and loads of online presence l would look no further then at ACC...If you like former DTM , Formula Racing, US Cars, historical cars and Series, WTRC and a variety of cups with authentic teams and liveries from several seasons and more than 40 tracks, then R3E is the way to go. If you want changing weather during 24h races...well ACC has it, but only for GT3 and 4 cars. If you want custom multiclass championships or Formula 1,2,3 and 4 as well as F-Junior Global championships on all i portant tracks.. well R3E is your choice.. In a nutshell, it' a comparison between apples and oranges...
@@Boonatix I see. I own AC, ACC, AMS2, R3E, rfactor1 and2...aside from my old sims GTR2, GT-Legends and various mods. After a several years hiatus from sim racing, I jumped in again s few weeks ago. I have the most hours in R3E and ACC. Honorable follow up, gaining more ground by the day , is AMS2. Rfaktor and AC are practically dead for me...As mfntioned in my first comment, I use each ofcthe sims for cetain "sweetspots" of racing. ACC for the obvious, R3E for Pre 2021 DTM series back to 1992. Also for their Silhouette , Aquila and ZondaR Series as well as for WTRC / TCR racing. AMS2 is the king in historic formula racing or endurance races . It offers an excellent Nordschleife, combinded with stunning graphics, a very good new FFB, real wheather. Running a multiclass 24h event in old Hockenheimring or Nordschleife compressed to 60 minutes is an immersion you will never forget....th-cam.com/video/oI6Nmr_k82o/w-d-xo.html
@@EdumastaDMBC The explanation still makes it kind of uncomparable as the sims adress different kind of people / interests. Not everyone is a GT car fanboy. ACC has only GT Cars, FIA tracks and by some stretch a Porsche and a Lambo cup...excellent sim, for exactly this purpose. Not more and not less.
ACC is the worst sim. It has awful force feedback, and it doesn't drive anything like a real car. I would be embarrassed if I made Assetto Corsa, then followed it up with ACC.
Most GT3 drivers disagree and say it is really close (Dave Perel, Nicky Thiim, James Baldwin fi.) But you probably know better, if the ffb is bad your settings are probably not correct.
I’m in a first week of RRE. Have to say, as someone with well over a thousand hours in ACC, rF2 and AMS2, I’m very impressed. It’s like actually being in a race or something!
Good work! Glad you posted this anyway. I remember once I scheduled a video about a certain rfactor 2 topic to go live the next evening. Then Gamermuscle released basically the exact same video that same day. The choice was to abandon the video or let it go live according to schedule... So obviously I killed the schedule and made it go live immediately after his 😅
Thank you Ermin, and somehow relieving to know this happens to not only me then ^-^
When will you go try rfactor2 @boonatix?
Great comparison I have played hundreds of hours on ACC, but I have to say I really enjoy using RRE for online races
So what if someone else did a video you want to do. Your take on it will be different than anyone else. That makes it interesting. Keep doing what you are doing and NEVER be sorry about it.
Best advice for getting into RRR, drive the GTR2 Corvette and BMW M2, as well as the GTR 1 Ford GT and any of the DTM cars - forget about comparing any sim to another, that is a waste of time, and does a disservice to both sims. Just enjoy what each does right, and ignore both of their small imperfections ;)
Compassion is just stupid, no one here is even close to a racedriver and whatever sim we use they are all good enough to give a taste of racing.
Just play all sims and enjoy them for what they are.
No comparision for me. RRE is superior. I don't like to race against the clock vs. laps. Better sound, and FFB.
They just need to do a graphics update for it
You are saying what i am thinking
Awesome comparison Boon
Just because the sound in Raceroom is louder doesn't mean it's better, i prefer the ACC sounds, you hear more stuff than just the motor. Physics, FF also goes to ACC for ME, and i'm not a "ACC fanboy" i haven't raced ACC for the past 2-3 weeks, i have been trying to get my Rep up in Raceroom :)
Good work on that topic. Ermins Video made me curious on how RaceRoom has developed over the past few years. Before reinstalling it and updating the game to its latest version, I havent played it for at least 4-5 years. Started it up, did some tweeking on the wheelsettings, grabbed a DTM car and finally got out on track. I´m used to ACC which is my daily driver for a couple of months now (did not ever think that driving GT cars will be "my thing", I was more of the formula, LMP prototype guy), so I can compare both sims as well. I mean ACC is kind of the "no brainer" when it comes to GT Racing. You can´t do anything wrong by giving it a try.
But back to raceroom: the amount of work and ongoing evolution the developers have put into this game, is nothing more than impressive. I´ve never felt more detailed and better force feedback anywhere before. Regarding Sound I´d prefer racerooms engine sounds over ACC´s. The engines sound more natural - but ACC is way better when it comes to...let´s say "sound effects" like if you´re rolling over a curb (nearly impossible to hear in R3E) or just the sound of gravel hitting the chassis while driving.
I´m curious how R3E´s FFB will feel using the CSL DD.
Absolutely! I am also very curious how the CSL DD will change and enhance the already great FFB!
You can go to advanced sound settings in RRE and adjust either the road sounds or sound effects (don't know which one atm) for more curb sound.
I'm extremely sensitve when it comes to FFB. Playing with a Fanatec DD 8 Nm, my suggestion is to keep the RaceRoom FFB settings as standard but lower FFB Strength to 70 to avoid clipping in most cars and situations. Then in a Fanatec DD, stick to standard settings but turn NDP Off (damping) and INT Off (intrapolation) as well. The result is perfect - now it's only my own skills as a driver that's the bottleneck. I completely forget my gear and that it's a game while racing. With stronger wheels, do the same but possibly lower FFB Strength further. WIth weaker wheels, you might need to decrease linearity, which in my opinion ruins the dynamic range, so try to keep this at 100 if you can. Also, with weaker wheels, you may increase FFB Strength, but more clipping in high FFB situations is the trade-off.
See you in ranked races!
I pick race room over ACC as ranked racing in race room is brilliant..if ACC had it that game would be top for me…but both brilliant sims
ACC Online features are shit for me.
What is your pc spec?
a very good opinion piece video, good job
Thank you kindly!
hello! great comparison and really helpful. i drive porsche 911 gt3 in acc. if i go to RR, porsche 911 gt3 will have almost the same ffb as we talk about the same car?
It will feel a bit different as the physics are different
@@Boonatix acc feels so sensitive and punishes you hard if you are inaccurate and not smooth. When i jump to other game( ac or rr ), i find it hard to adjust to acc when i come back to it in terms of ffb
I tried raceroom for the first time today and drove a lot of laps in Spa with a Gt3 M6 and well... I don't know if I'm doing something wrong (I'm not that good), but raceroom was way easier. Almost impossible to spin the car. It felt like the limit was way, way, way more far away from what ACC allows. It's a lot of fun and I guess for starters, raceroom is a lot less punishing. Hard to compare, in ACC you really can't do mistakes too much, in rr it almost was a little "arcady"
It is more accessible but still hard to master most of them cars :) Which makes it a really good choice for beginners to get a taste of simracing!
You should compare Zandvoort in Raceroom to Zandvoort in ACC as it is not laser scanned in ACC. That would be very interesting
Cool idea, might give it a go :) Thank you!
Raceroom really needs a way to win VRP for free by racing in ranked races! If they become a real F2P game a lot of people would come to the game, you could still buy things with money to avoid grinding
I like that idea ^^
GT3 is not enough ACC2 ! - ACC 2 is great, i enjoy it - but we need ACC 2+ another series in next years! - RR3E new FFB, great cars, race tracks & so many moore! 2 best race sims!
"Playing other sims makes you better". That is The Ultimate Truth. Nowadays (from a perspective of guy who started somewhere around Microprose Grand Prix) simracers do one massive mistake. They start simracing and immediately go for fastest aero cars full of electronic gimmicks. They quickly get to midpack zone. But give them car which has less aero, no abs and TC. Brake control, throttle control? Nowhere to find, the cars they started to drive with mask all the bad habits. Real race drivers starting with go karts etc has its purpose.
Which game(s) would you suggest to race/drive such low spec cars ? I currently race on ACC and would like to see how it would translate into one of the lower end cars.
@@TheSpyGuy712 AC, rF2, AMS, AMS2, R3E. But do not mismatch difficult cars with low-spec. For example old formulas, GTR1 etc. are massive beasts. You will have fun with brasilian stock cars too.
Just that having the full feeling for it, you need a clutch and a H shifter too for older stuff, paddles and autoclutch/autoblip kill 9/10 of the driving.
RRE certainly has the better sound. ACC sounds rather lifeless, missing depth. Great video, thanks👍
Thanks for watching!
Did u listen to ACC sounds only on the vid? If u actually play the game the sounds are amazing
@@adamkomac9852 no, I play the game too. Your right, some of the sounds are really good; but all in all I think RRE has nailed it, slightly better, for e.g. the M6. But then again, it’s all in the ear, of the beholder😉
Oh, no laser scans in Raceroom!? Now I know why the FFB is so dull. Tracks always feel boring and flat, well, because they are.
You would think they'd just add some artificial/random bumps, but apparently not.
Not sure if this applies to all tracks. Also I can tell that at least with an DD the track is everything but not smooth. Bumps all over the place...
yeah, Laser Scanned is overhyped these days, and is not the reason you're feeling dull FFB. Watkins Glen on Raceroom is way more accurately detailed then other sims, as an example. All the tracks are fantastic, though they do lack a bit of graphical fidelity. Bumps, undulations, etc is all there. But more importantly: the handling physics are top notch. You just need a decent (15+ NM DD) Wheel. Hopefully R3E tweaks the FFB for the lower end wheels.
@@chrisshurtz5541 I don't see where there detail should come from, just because you have 15 instead of 5. It's not ****-measuring, mind you.
@@AtomicAndi Well, I don't know the ins and outs of the FFB, but I do know the track feels a bit lifeless on my G29, but better on my Simagic M10. It is, however, absolutely fantastic on my VRS Direct Force Pro to the point where I prefer R3E FFB to any other Sim (ACC is right up there as well).
@@bjornromermann5080 Thanks for insisting. It's actually great, now that I tested other combos. My frustration was mainly with Portimao and Sepang. And probably not the best settings yet.
Well done, and you made some very interesting points about both SIM's.
Was willst haben für die csl base? :)
I don't like to be in one class only, so raceroom and ams2 is my choice. Easy. No comparison, just race for fun
RaceRoom is definitely a viable sim, but to me, it's graphics and sounds feel more on par with DiRT 2 rather than any of the other well known sims. This is why I chose ACC in the first place. It's sound design is, in my opinion, the best out there, and it looks good even on lower graphics, while RR feels flat and washed out, both in graphics and sound.
P.S.: Knee reveal at 11:20 👀
I'd rather have a sim that runs well, and looks good on an average gaming rig, than a sim which needs at least a last generation i9 9900K with a 2080Ti to even get off the ground. ACC, while it drives well, is an utter dog turd of non-optimisation. The only reason I consider it playable is because I'm using an i9 11900k with a 3090.
@@slaphead90 Don't know what you mean. I have an I5-4670 (4 core 3.4 GHz from 2013) and a GTX 1050 (2GB ver from 2016), runs fine for me.
@@karstaboi3330 Are you still playing in flat mode?
As in with a monitor?
@@karstaboi3330 Yes, do you still use a monitor, and not a VR HMD?
the graphics in rr working smoother than in acc a lot off stutering and i have a brand new pc i get in iracing 180 fps rr 120 fps and in acc 80 fps at the max
True that, ACC really is demanding in terms of hardware... I still manage it fairly well with a 2080 Ti though ^^
I have a RTX 2060 SUPER and it works amazing, i get consistent 144 fps on high-ultra settings
@@adamkomac9852 weird I have a rtx 2070 Super and can’t even play it. Uses all my cpu. Makes no sense.
Assetto corsa is behoorlijk kut met een nvdia gtx1060 6gb, me ogen doen gewoon pijn bij het spelen van acc.
I like raceroom,but out of all the sims I have its the only one that will just crash and give me trouble,stopped playing for this reason only,so annoying raceroom has the best gearshifts of the them all hands down.
I have used raceroom for almost 1,5 years now. Lately I have had the odd crash, but this is maybe once a month (playing every day). What I am trying to say is that you might have a technical issue. Have you tried verifying the integrity of the files in steam?
@@jaccooccaj217 …and if that doesn't work, try uninstalling in Steam, deleting all leftover files, and reinstalling in Steam, using the default installation folder. A pain, but what do you have to lose. It costs only your time. (I went through this with rfactor2)
Raceroom is substantially a better sim than ACC, period
Hi Boonatix, mach doch bitte auch ein Video auf deutsch, danke dir im Voraus
Raceroom and RF2 has same thing what you say about rear step out when you brake hard and maybe too late. I say maybe becouse sometimes i brake later and it's not happend but sometimes it will even i brake earlier. You can try that straight line brake hard and rear will step out. I have try many things but i havent find solution on that.
Hmm why would you compare a highly specialized, FIA licenced sim of ONE race series like ACC with a very broad sim offering like the one from S3 ( aka R3E) ? Don't get me wrong, but if I want to race Gt3 and 4 only on a limited number of authentic , laserscanned tracks and in high quality ( graphics, physics ) and loads of online presence l would look no further then at ACC...If you like former DTM , Formula Racing, US Cars, historical cars and Series, WTRC and a variety of cups with authentic teams and liveries from several seasons and more than 40 tracks, then R3E is the way to go.
If you want changing weather during 24h races...well ACC has it, but only for GT3 and 4 cars.
If you want custom multiclass championships or Formula 1,2,3 and 4 as well as F-Junior Global championships on all i portant tracks.. well R3E is your choice..
In a nutshell, it' a comparison between apples and oranges...
He actually talks about that and explains the "why compare it" in the video ;)
Hmm why would having a lot of content be an excuse for messing up the basic physics? ;-)
@@Boonatix I see. I own AC, ACC, AMS2, R3E, rfactor1 and2...aside from my old sims GTR2, GT-Legends and various mods. After a several years hiatus from sim racing, I jumped in again s few weeks ago. I have the most hours in R3E and ACC. Honorable follow up, gaining more ground by the day , is AMS2. Rfaktor and AC are practically dead for me...As mfntioned in my first comment, I use each ofcthe sims for cetain "sweetspots" of racing. ACC for the obvious, R3E for Pre 2021 DTM series back to 1992. Also for their Silhouette , Aquila and ZondaR Series as well as for WTRC / TCR racing. AMS2 is the king in historic formula racing or endurance races . It offers an excellent Nordschleife, combinded with stunning graphics, a very good new FFB, real wheather. Running a multiclass 24h event in old Hockenheimring or Nordschleife compressed to 60 minutes is an immersion you will never forget....th-cam.com/video/oI6Nmr_k82o/w-d-xo.html
@@AtomicAndi don;t know when you have driven it the last time. And no, they didnt mess up the physics.
@@EdumastaDMBC The explanation still makes it kind of uncomparable as the sims adress different kind of people / interests. Not everyone is a GT car fanboy. ACC has only GT Cars, FIA tracks and by some stretch a Porsche and a Lambo cup...excellent sim, for exactly this purpose. Not more and not less.
RRE is brilliant in VR. ACC is awful in VR, just awful.
just tested. It is not about real simulation. It is still miles away from ac/acc.
AI is so stupid there. Tested Monza with 100 lvl
ACC is the worst sim. It has awful force feedback, and it doesn't drive anything like a real car. I would be embarrassed if I made Assetto Corsa, then followed it up with ACC.
You've never driven a GT3/GT4 car. People who have driven those cars aren't quite as harsh as you're being. What does that tell the class?
Most GT3 drivers disagree and say it is really close (Dave Perel, Nicky Thiim, James Baldwin fi.)
But you probably know better, if the ffb is bad your settings are probably not correct.
When it came out it was awful. Play it now and with good settings.
@@daviddanser8011 he probably has a low end wheel!
First!!!!!!
For the poor yes, for the rest iracing.
Two best simracing games right now is Iracing and Assetto corsa, but not this shit)