@@Ermz I fully agree with you. The lack of lower frequencies in ACC is something that makes it's audio experience less immersive. I really dunno why they made the cars sounds so flat. RR seems so much more real in this area.
another thing I like about Raceroom's purchase model, and something that no TH-camrs seem to mention - you don't have to buy every car & livery in a class to enjoy it. Want to race GT3s? Just buy 1 car (an Audi EVO, Bimmer, Camaro, whatever), choose your favourite livery & away you go, on- or off-line. All of the other cars & liveries are still available for you to race against, even if you don't have access to use them yourself. In another sims, if you don't own a particular car (or livery) you often can't race against it.
When you see real GT3 races sometimes they literally jump over the curbs without destroying the cars or get thrown away. In all sims except RR curbs are not realistic. In RR you can drive to the limit in opinion.
@@twandepan neither RR or ACC have realistic damage model. In both of them you can smash car into the walls or other cars way more harder in real life and still make it to the pits. I wish they had some "Damage = *actually* realistic" setting.
you missed one thing for me, in the part of the sound, raceroom has an amazing tv camera sound, that expansion of the sound that makes you believe you´re watching a car racing in a track. thats where raceroom gets the medals of the sound
Quick correction: It appears the Nurburgring GP circuit in R3E isn't laser-scanned after all - only the Nordschleife portion - making a true 1:1 comparison with ACC virtually impossible. This would explain my comments about R3E's lack of 'granular detail' in the FFB - I was likely reacting to a fairly flat track surface.
I believe there are actually two versions of GP track in Raceroom, one laser scanned and one not laser scanned. The one attached to the Nordschleife should be laser scanned, but cannot be driven standalone. The older standalone one you've driven here isn't scanned. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
With or without laser scanned info track artists still have to build the physical 3D surface mesh "by hand", so I don't think laser scan is what makes ACC feel more detailed. It's probably more about how the FFB reacts diferently to the track surface in both sims. If you look at a Raceroom replay form an exterior camera you can see the suspension moving to the bumps, so they are there, even if they feel very subtle on the wheel compared with ACC.
@@testthepest6259 It's already clarified under other comment. The initial track roster in ACC was laserscanned in its entirety, but Zandvoort was added later and it's an improved port of AC's non-scanned version.
Great comparison. Raceroom really made a huge step with the last update - for me it's the sim to go over the Nordschleife for now. ACC on the other side is my sim of choice for GT3 and GT4.
I think that Raceroom still nails the GT3 and gt4 part compared to ACC some cars in raceroom need a little physic tweak but overall i have more realistic feeling in Raceroom when it comes to GT3 then ACC and mabey because ACC is a little overhyped because yes it has way better graphics but beside that is the game nothing special (my oppinion).
Im always looking foward to r3e nordschlife race session... Although im nowhere near the fast guy... But i would love train on consistency... I have less than 100hrs on r3e as for now... Nurburgring gp lap using old z4 gt3 cars around 1.57~1.58 certainly not fast enough... But it was fun...
Right on Ermin, your sentiment resonates well here. I love ACC and its unforgiving character, but the RRE team just hooked me with their rendering of physics based FFB. It feels so good... While FFB is prob more similar than not, I think the biggest difference between the two sims is the tire model which you characterized as plastic vs rubber. GT3 tires in ACC have such a narrow window (4-5 deg) in which they generate max grip, and the fall off while substantial is communicated in a very subtle way. RRE is indeed much more progressive feel.... Aris recently commented that one thing he would still like to work on/change in ACC is the tire model, but it sounded like that may not materialize in this iteration. Anyways, great time to follow and support both Kunos and Sector3 devs. Cheers
I can share this view after close to 100h in both sims. However, it is hard to really compare both even if you limit yourself to GT3 / GT 4 cars. ACC is a licenced game to simulate a specific GT race series of the last few years with. In Raceroom, I can choose between more then 300 GT3 cars from various series alone. So if you are a fan of the GT Masters, you can get almost all original teams incl. liveries and drivers and you could race them on a car by car basis per race.... BUT : In R3E there are no italian cars ( Ferrari, Lambo ) while in ACC quite a few US cars are missing ( GT Masters Corvettes and Mustangs, Ford GT...). Also, R3E offers way more tracks and some even in their historic layout. Not laserscanned though. Aside from that, I could also race very different car series from open wheelers to prototypes and even streetcars in R3E - so if I would have to choose only 1 single sim...I'd go for R3E simply because it's wealth of authentic cars, tracks, new FFB/Physics, custom championship modes and many more reasons. This despite the fact that I really like ACC for it's ( limited # though ) very realistic cars, sounds, graphics, tracks, weather ( still missing at R3E ) ....
R3E after the new update is awesome, I have a simucube 2 pro and the FFB feels better than most sims I race on now, and I do on iRacing, ACC, AC, rfactor 2 and AMS2. The sound is the best in the business but the online presence for racers is horrible. I really hope they put in laser scanned tracks and update their graphics, this will make R3E one of the best. Lastly one thing that R3E is unique in is the selection of DTM cars, they are freaking awesome and we don’t get to race them anywhere else
Honestly I've been playing ACC solid for the last 2 years or so, I never considered anything else but it always felt like the cars tyres were not rubber, even though I've all but mastered the cars over a thousand hours plus there was always the distinct feeling they were always on the edge of just letting go, especially on curbs. Any time I've ever lost the car on ACC I've always felt cheated as if in reality that just wouldn't have happened, they lack the weight you feel a car should have. Recently trying raceroom was awesome, thar feeling of weight shift and the tyres actually moving underneath you like they are on something was a suprise for me, I instantly loved it and purchased the premium pack and went racing online. It's very early days on raceroom for me but I already feel like there's a reason to race unlike ACC, platinum on ACC comes wayyy to quickly and from then on you are racing for fun only, they need to drop everyone's rank on the game and make platinum a real achievement to get because its pretty boring to race for nothing and you must fine leagues and stuff to make it worthwhile. Raceroom seems to have a better approach with its ranking system. I will say the racing is far cleaner in ACC, there's an unwritten gentleman's agreement where most drivers don't dive you if you are in a battle, raceroom is far more BTCC im coming through and using your door to do it kind of racing and while I love it I think its on the edge of being unfair racing, luckily the penalty system seems well worked out aswell so far. So glad I tried raceroom though, very fun, I hope more people flock to it, they just need to keep the update momentum up.
Great video! Just a few corrections - All the tracks in ACC are lazer-scanned. In the original AC Zandvort is not scanned, but in ACC it is (Edit: while searching for a source on this I found out I was wrong. Zandvoort is still not laser scanned on ACC). And Nurburgring GP is not lazer-scanned in Raceroom, only the Nordschleife is.
Thanks! I recall hearing one of the Kunos devs mention that people really liked their original version of Zandvoort (reportedly done for them by another company, or something to that effect) so they only spruced it up to add into ACC. It'd be great if you could point me to where they said it's laser scanned so I could course correct. That makes sense about the GP circuit. I mentioned the lack of granular feeling of FFB in R3E here, assuming it was the FFB, but it's likely to be the track surface itself then. It also explains the hugely inaccurate curbing.
@@Ermz Sorry, my mistake about Zandvoort. I had read somewhere that the ACC version was laser-scanned but searching for a source I found this interview with Marco on Racedepartment where he does say that the ACC version uses the original AC track as a base, and that one was not laser-scanned. My bad.
@@Ermz Yeah I was mostly going by the initial Kunos marketing for the game where they were saying that all tracks in ACC were laser scanned and forgot that Zandvoort was released a bit after and might have not been included in that statement. As for the contents of the video I agree with pretty much everything you said. I love ACC and Raceroom and go back and forth between both without being able to choose one of them as a clear favourite. But I do wonder if real life drivers would be able to attack curbs with such abandon as we can see in onboard videos if they were as much of a death-trap in real life as they can be in ACC sometimes :P
Just discovered Raceroom and absolutely LOVE IT! gave up on IRacing…One because of the decline in race craft,to many wannabes and two no feel to the car on the track,just feels like ice racing.This here,is just amazing!
loving R3E going back to ACC the cars feel like you are driving on ice dont know whats changed but it feels so different now, I have never thought about the shall we say lesser graphics of R3E I just wish the loading was a bit snappier I dont race online as I suffer quite badly with anxiety & dont like the thought of me ruining someone race by my ineptness & general lack of skill :(
Great job Ermin. I learned a lot about the subtleties of sim racing just watching your analysis. You put a lot of good effort into this one. I own both sims and wondered how RaceRoom stacked up against ACC in ACC.s own backyard. I also liked the way you explained how to get take the turns to get those great lap times. I'm still taking turns in a rather basic way and just don't understand how to go really fast, this helped. I'd love some really detailed track/ turn guides where you use your exceptional descriptive skills to carefully demonstrate how to get elite lap times!
Both great sims. The "unforgiveness" of curbs in ACC is something that comer since the beta stages, it is better now, but Race Room simulates better the tires' rub softness and therefore behaves better in the curbs. You frequently see an F1 car taking curbs more aggressively than you can do in ACC for that reason. The thing is, these two never were better than know, including in AI races.
As a casual player of both these, my take is this: I like ACC because you can customize your liveries. There is also a career mode which I think is a good way to get into things without having to jump directly into multiplayer. The weather and time dynamics is a plus also I think as it adds dimentions to the game. Raceroom is nice because one can do a lot of driving without spending any money at all. For me personally, it is also big plus that it features the main swedish tracks (which I also got 'for free', together with the some Porsche models, as member in Porsche Club Sweden. Particularily nice as that car is as similar as it gets to my own road car). In general, the number of tracks available in Raceroom is formidable and I suppose many will be able to find a track close to home which they may actually go to and drive for an IRL track day. That they are not laser scanned, well, with my cheap sim gear I'm not sure I notice any difference to be honest. Overall I'd say Raceroom is primarily focused on the driving part where ACC is (in addition) more into the whole strategy with pitstops, weather effects etc. To some extent ACC feels a lot 'deeper' compared to Raceroom and then again, Raceroom also has a much wider range of different cars and tracks one can drive. I would though expect that maybe Raceroom will narrow the scope a bit when it comes to these over time. Probably for the better.
I wouldn't be surprised to see RRE become the most popular sim out there. Their ranked multiplayer is gaining a lot of traction and now that their handling is top notch, I wouldn't be surprised to see people migrating from IRacing with their much more affordable price point (understatement of the year!). They're looking more and more like the sim with the most complete package.
Also Ermin you have to also know that in ACC it’s homologated as far the set ups due to SRO regulations. R3E doesn’t have to do that with its GT3 cars. So there is a difference in handling but only slightly. Awesome video. My 2 favorite sims :)
RR in VR is the best out there. Hell you can adjust the sitting position all the way to match your real position in your rig. The new FFB really changed the game. Now they need a proper DX12 engine :)
@@fan2hd277 AMS 2 is the best VR sim experience out there right now IMO, by a mile. Actually most of them are not bad in VR, except for ACC. ACC is a very bad experience in VR, compared to the rest.
I want: ACC for sound and tracks, Raceroom for FFB, iracing ranking system, BeamNG for damage and F1 2020 career mode cut scenes-throw in crew chief for good measure and of course great VR. Can someone make that please? :)
Absolutely brilliant comparison video. I just got into RaceRoom and love the new Mazda MX-5 series. The sounds are just incredible and for me, It works out well. I also despise the iRacing predatory fees (you have to buy everything AND have a subscription!) ... RaceRoom is well priced for what it is and is extremely fun to drive. Thanks again for this great video mate.
Spot on.. was also waiting for 15:05 ... This has been one of my biggest takeaways and something I appreciated even before the update. R3e's communication of deformation is in league with rF2 imo. Can't overstate the importance of that, especially with a G29. As much as I love ACC, I continue to struggle with this.
Thanks you for taking the time to show us this to sims side by side. I personally love RR. But like you said “we’re blessed to exit in a time where doing all this is possible”
To be fair, I clicked this video expecting another RaceRoom-hate video, but I was pleasantly surprised. You gave what I think is a pretty accurate review of both sims, good job Ermin!
I tried a similar experiment, but I didn't find RR to be better when it came to weight transfer and tire deformation. It was almost like my mind was searching for those things and the car had too much grip, but I'll have to do more testing on this by spending longer stints with each engine. I will say that the new force feedback in RR is great. Surprisingly, I actually love the canned effects! When you combine the new FF system and those effects, especially the shifting effect, together with the amazing sounds sounds, the level of immersion surpasses ACC imo.
I haven't loaded up R3E in probably more than 3 years. Still to this day, not ONE racing title (whether simulator, simcade, arcade, whatever) has come CLOSE to having sound as immersive as R3E. I'm an audiophile and produce my own music, giving me years of audio engineering experience. The people behind R3E (don't know how many of you remember GTR 2 back in 2005, but it's the same developers essentially) outdid themselves when implementing audio into the game. My main is classic AC. I play other sims as a change of pace. Now that I have a slightly nicer system, and the FF model has been modernized, I'll have to go back to R3E for some laps. The sounds in that game remind you that yes, indeed, you are driving a monster. Other games, though they have incredible sound as well, just seem too digitized and processed. R3E is raw, and that's how racers, car fans, and audiophiles like myself prefer things. And now I'll stop gushing.
R3E is becoming big, they just announced the Indianapolis 500 layout (completing the Indianapolis circuit with every layout available), the circuit of TT Assen (I think that's what is called) and Ferrari is also coming back to RaceRoom, all this in only 29 days of 2022!
Meanwhile, RRRE is my number 1 Sim. The AI works very well, the physics is very good, the FFB is also very good. RRRE is very user-friendly and clear. And there is very interesting classic content and the TCR. if rF2 ever comes out of the bug zone where it is currently located? I dont know. Apart from that, a mega sim .. but after 2 years it has become too much for me with all the bugs. s397 should finally set its priorities plus the physics. If RRRE should actually switch to a DX11 12 plus rainy weather in the near future, then I don't need anything else.
Years ago Raceroom was one of the first sims that actually pulled me in and got me hooked. It felt so alive at the time compared to the others and I still love it to this day.
iRacing is my main sim. But driving with friends who are not so invested into it, raceroom is the way to go. And it can be driven with gamepad and that is great!
On ACC: "and the force feedback is very serviceable on a DIRECT DRIVE wheelbase" thank you making that clear, albeit understated point about ACC. On my belt driven CSW 2.5 ACC feels like mush, whilst the new R3E FFB feels more like rFactor 2.
As far as I know, there are more tracks laser scanned than the Nordschleife, but nobody knows which one are, as Sector3 doesn't give any information about that. But for example the Hungaroring for me has more detail in Raceroom than in ACC. But it is different from track to track.
The hardest part for me is the sound. I really can't pick. To me, ACC sounds more accurate, but more... "closed", like it's a very directional sound. RRE sound more generic in a way, but it feels like it's filling the whole space. Weird Edit: Raceroom seems to have a lot more bass? I think that's why it seems to fill up the space more Edit 2: 13:57 so ermin agrees, raceroom does have a lot more low end. Weird decision by kunos indeed
Actually I would say the opposite, ACC sounds are a bit overdone, a bit more artificial, therefore most people say it has the best sound, but it is because the cars sound better than they do in real life. Whereas in Raceroom the sounds are more realistic. So the cars sound like the real ones. And so sometimes they sound less good than the one in ACC but that's because they car sounds less good than in ACC in real life too
@@flo_h_96 Great example was the 911 GT3, was done accuratly, but not liked by the community, as you could hear the Boxer properly in car, bc of the loud transmission whine. In fact it was so loud in real life, while recording, they couldnt seperate the recorded audiolines in the studio and had to look after an opportunity to record a car while standing with rev for engine sound (most teams dont like to do that). Thats what the sound dev of R3E said.
@@flo_h_96 That's bollocks m8. ACC sounds more realistic than Raceroom. Some of the sounds in Raceroom don't even sound like the real car. What ACC has done to the sound of the cars is clip the highlights, so it isn't deafening.
Interesting comparison! Any tips on how to replicate the feeling of lateral weight transfer from Raceroom to ACC? I find Raceroom much more Intuitive in this area.
I love gearbox noise and pops and crackle noise in R3E when slowing down. And the in cabin rattling from loose parts with the sound of debris bouncing under the cars. ACC has some great sound but R3E is better.
I was left wondering about ACC's sound engineer squelching the low end as well. R3E just sounds so much more alive and "in person" rather then the "over a cell phone" of ACC. I run my sound through a pair of Mackie HR824's and when leaving R3E after an hours session and starting up ACC, it's immediately obvious that there are so many bands clipped from the sound mix that it makes me very sad. I believe ACC *could have the better audio as well, but because of the mix (IMO) R3E walks away with a strut from ACC and takes the audio trophy.
@@Ermz Yeah, they have served me very well through the years. Main reason I can't bring myself to replace them, lots of recording sessions and mixing sessions between those monitors and I. :)
This comment (and also the remarks in the video) are on point. I was always wondering why ACC sounded so thin when played over my studio monitors (but serviceable over headphones). But yeah, seems they just wanted to clean up frequencies...
The first PC sim I tried was raceroom and I was immediately impressed. Thinking that a paid for game would be better than the "free" raceroom i purchased AC and could not believe how bad it was (considering how much everyone raves about it), not deterred I purchased ACC, again not overly impressed, Raceroom just feels much much better
I think it so cool that we have as many sims to chose from as we do today. The list is longer than you would expect for such a niche market: 1. Asetto Corsa 2. ACC 3.rFactor 2 4. AMS2 5. RaceRoom 6. BeamNG 7. The F1 Series 8. The WRC Series 9. Dirt Rally 2.0 10. Project Cars 2 11. iRacing
I would of agreed with the comment about mid corner feedback until I dug a little deeper into my wheel setting to find that the feed back is so good I can actually feel the tyres flex in corner, so I'd say alot of any sum comes down to wheel/base, games settings and software wheel settings. And of course it's all personal preference. I tend to listen to real world races who race sims too to see what they say.
Cool comparison. ACC kinda sounds like it is in a tunnel. I prefer RaceRoom’s feel especially in the older cars. I would recommend getting both. ACC for its specialised GT content & laser scanned works of art & RaceRoom for its variety of cars & tracks. The AI in RaceRoom is really good fun to race also. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Although Raceroom has the better engine sounds, I think ACC has the better sounds for the other effects like roads, curbs, scraping. Combining the two would be the ultimate Sim racing Audio experience.
My personal reason for purpose-using R3E is that sometimes I want to drive tracks located in my home land of Sweden. Great tracks like Gelleråsen, Scandinavian Raceway / Anderstorp (where F1 was hosted in the 70s, Falkenberg ring, Knutstorp Ring, Mantorp Park are all on R3E and no other game or simulation software contain these tracks.
Nice comparing and I like to know more about the direct comparison. Test on DD1 only, OK. But in general FFB feeling is very different from all setting been made on the Base/wheel and the sim. So, it‘s very helpful if you do a comparison on a DD1 that you also share your settings on the wheel and in the SIM.
Thanks for the effort in making this video. I’m waiting for a sale on RaceRoom and I’m still kinda confused on how to make purchases. Can you buy everything on Steam or do you have to do purchase from their store page?
Definitely don't buy any DLC listed on Steam store, those are outdated and bad value. Purchase stuff directly from the ingame store. For the purchases in the ingame store you have two options - to pay from Steam wallet, or use the "vRP" (virtual racing points), which is the special ingame currency. Do NOT buy through Steam wallet, instead go to raceroomstore dot com and buy the pack of these "vRP", it will save you some money. Just for the comparison, if you just want to buy the premium pack including all the content released to date, it will cost 100 Eur if paid from Steam wallet, but only 65 Eur if you buy it with vRP currency instead.
Raceroom has multi cars to contend with. Where acc only gt3, gt4 if raceroom concentrated say just on 1 or 2 types of cars it would be just as good or better than a lot of sims out there.
Respectfully, there are so many setup, wheel variables here that I think direct comparisons are dubious. Both sims are great and I’m pleased to run each of them. Your video is interesting though.
As someone who is in the predicament, I've concluded that ACC is better at the moment but R3E will pay off in the long run. Hopefully they can bring some Ferrari licenses into the game though because I do wish I could drive the 488 GT3
Because the real life car has a Gran Turismo banner on the windshield, maybe the manufacturers don't care of being in the virtual cars of the sims, that's why we see many many decals on the cars, but not every of them are really sponsoring the simulators.
Raceroom is a fine sim. It needs weather and time progression etc but it’s a great driving sim, great ffb and driving feel. Great sounds. I drive it regularly. As much as I love RF2 it does feel a bit dated now. AC is still great and Autombilista 2 is growing on me.
Well ACC maybe be great, but I like Raceroom better because of other racing series cars and tracks are available. GT series racing is good, but is not my favorite type of racing. I have both games and enjoy them both. Only did online league racing with RaceRoom and was a blast. I do all my games with a VR headset. To me, both these are just games to entertain myself. I am not fussy about any of the racing games I have, just pick a vehicle, select a track, and then go race. Thats it. Anyway, thanks for the video. Take care.
Why a racing simulator developer would promote another racing simulator in his own work? the R8 LMS in RR has Gran Turismo banner on the windshield @08:08
Even though both have something i still say hands down R3R is the better choice, Acc doesnt rally offer much of tracks neither cars where R3R has almost every track+class to drive with. And you dont need a high end pc to play R3R where ACC actually ask for a more high end pc to run stable.
I like them both, ACC is for my serious league races as a hardcore sim. Raceroom is fun to kill some time and do ranked races it hangs a bit towards simcade. Biggest bonus off RRE, you can actually have door to door action and even a tap will not spin you like most other sims. Makes for fun races.
In Raceroom on T300 drop the FFB linearity to 70-75% and increase the bump amplification to 40%. That should give you plenty of details. No idea about ACC.
Yes it can espeically now I'm enjoying it just as much as I sued to enjoy iracing those first few years I started playing so yeah raceroom is amazing now and has now taken the spot of my favorite Sim lol it feels so much better then before it is truely simtastic haha but I will say this I still absokutely love acc and it's right there with raceroom for my preference
OK, lets really think about this for one sec...we're talking about splitting hairs throughout this head-head, ACC and RR?? ACC is a one trick pony...boring.GT3-4.that's it! Which is fine if that is your thing. They (ACC) working with the latest and greatest new graphics engines, Kunos also being the bigger of the two teams...So. HELL yes, it damn well should be better, in fact it should smoke RR...but it doesn't. Can you just imagine what Sector 3 could do if they were able to add a couple people to the team, update the graphics engine?? I think what gets totally missed or at least heavily under-stated. it what Sector 3 is able to accomplish on shoestring budgets, that they offer their hard work to anyone for FREE and its a significant amount of content...who else does that? Who else lets you test drive use their DLC before you buy?? Who else will let you compete in selected events...for prizes..... and not pay one red cent??? IMHO the SiM community has a gift, and for the most part, they've overlooked or tossed in the corner to collect dust, and that is a damn shame, as RR is a diamond in the rough. WE need to support, give the smaller devs (who are amazing people) not sure I can say the same for some of the KUNOS uber egos. Give the gang at Sector 3 a chance, what do you really have to lose, some HD space?
I don't completely agree with you. When it comes to gt3 and gt4 ACC definitely does smoke rre especially when you start setting up the cars and approaching the limit. Don't get me wrong, sector 3 has done a great job, I prefer rre to rf2 but when it comes to GT3 Nothing beats ACC. The details is amazing and Kunos has worked with not just the manufacturers but also the racing team themselves. It's a lot more intricate and and a lot more realistic than rre. Rre is more fun to drive I'll give you that but acc is definitely more realistic and smokes rre in gt3 and gt4
they are hiring programmers to update their engine for the next decade. That is a good sign.look at their game, it is all over the game hiring programmers
I found RRE more fun to play. A wide variety of cars and better drivers in online races and stats. ACC is just frustrating. To get the car around the corner you almost need to be an engineer to setup the car. Also RRE has fixed setup races. And Nordschleife!
How? Laserscan let’s you drive the exact track irl driviers do, to the bumps and and kerbs. The detail of a laserscaned tracks adds to the ffb and makes it feel immensely better.
I’m just happy Raceroom is finally in the conversation.
Same mate! About time, that sim has earned its stripes imo
THE most underrated and underappreciated SiM imho
been playing for years
Fantastic sim. Brilliant AI too; plus the different classes in RRE are awesome, especially DTM👍
Honestly, I'm surprised RaceRoom is in the conversation at all. It's a slight upgrade from Race 07, mostly in the visuals department.
I don't know what secret sauce they used, but after all these years, .RRE is still the king of immersive sounds...
The secret sauce: Hard as fuck transmission whine.
@@suckabustaakadd just change the audio settings to reduce this small part of it
I believe that secret sauce is actually going onto the track and recording the car.
@@Ermz I fully agree with you. The lack of lower frequencies in ACC is something that makes it's audio experience less immersive. I really dunno why they made the cars sounds so flat. RR seems so much more real in this area.
@VFX Pro: The secret sauce is S3 Sound Designer Anthony Monteil ;)
another thing I like about Raceroom's purchase model, and something that no TH-camrs seem to mention - you don't have to buy every car & livery in a class to enjoy it. Want to race GT3s? Just buy 1 car (an Audi EVO, Bimmer, Camaro, whatever), choose your favourite livery & away you go, on- or off-line. All of the other cars & liveries are still available for you to race against, even if you don't have access to use them yourself. In another sims, if you don't own a particular car (or livery) you often can't race against it.
Exactly. Most of my cars are 80s and 90s era and the sounds on the game are unmatched.
and you can try every car for free, and best sound by far.
I would like to remember that harder to drive doesn't mean it is better.
No but it does make it more fun for me lol
Especially in GT3 cars. Ever driven the Group C cars in R3E with full power? THAT is hard to drive
When you see real GT3 races sometimes they literally jump over the curbs without destroying the cars or get thrown away. In all sims except RR curbs are not realistic.
In RR you can drive to the limit in opinion.
@@fan2hd277 you rarely damage the car in ACC either, it just sounds like you are banging the car around, which realistically you are.
@@twandepan neither RR or ACC have realistic damage model. In both of them you can smash car into the walls or other cars way more harder in real life and still make it to the pits. I wish they had some "Damage = *actually* realistic" setting.
you missed one thing for me, in the part of the sound, raceroom has an amazing tv camera sound, that expansion of the sound that makes you believe you´re watching a car racing in a track. thats where raceroom gets the medals of the sound
Quick correction: It appears the Nurburgring GP circuit in R3E isn't laser-scanned after all - only the Nordschleife portion - making a true 1:1 comparison with ACC virtually impossible. This would explain my comments about R3E's lack of 'granular detail' in the FFB - I was likely reacting to a fairly flat track surface.
I believe there are actually two versions of GP track in Raceroom, one laser scanned and one not laser scanned. The one attached to the Nordschleife should be laser scanned, but cannot be driven standalone. The older standalone one you've driven here isn't scanned. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
With or without laser scanned info track artists still have to build the physical 3D surface mesh "by hand", so I don't think laser scan is what makes ACC feel more detailed. It's probably more about how the FFB reacts diferently to the track surface in both sims. If you look at a Raceroom replay form an exterior camera you can see the suspension moving to the bumps, so they are there, even if they feel very subtle on the wheel compared with ACC.
Well, since ACC Zandvoort isn't laserscanned, maybe compare them there?
@@steelin666 As far as i know AC Zandfort wasn't Laserscanned. ACC is.
@@testthepest6259 It's already clarified under other comment. The initial track roster in ACC was laserscanned in its entirety, but Zandvoort was added later and it's an improved port of AC's non-scanned version.
Happy to see R3E getting respect for its sound design, I’ve been banging that drum since Race 07’s BMW M3 GT2.
Great comparison. Raceroom really made a huge step with the last update - for me it's the sim to go over the Nordschleife for now. ACC on the other side is my sim of choice for GT3 and GT4.
I think that Raceroom still nails the GT3 and gt4 part compared to ACC some cars in raceroom need a little physic tweak but overall i have more realistic feeling in Raceroom when it comes to GT3 then ACC and mabey because ACC is a little overhyped because yes it has way better graphics but beside that is the game nothing special (my oppinion).
Nice dreams. Ac is far away. I have 500 h on AC. Raceroom has a lot of missing physics. When i tested RR,its felt like Little bit better than forza
Im always looking foward to r3e nordschlife race session...
Although im nowhere near the fast guy... But i would love train on consistency... I have less than 100hrs on r3e as for now...
Nurburgring gp lap using old z4 gt3 cars around 1.57~1.58 certainly not fast enough... But it was fun...
Right on Ermin, your sentiment resonates well here. I love ACC and its unforgiving character, but the RRE team just hooked me with their rendering of physics based FFB. It feels so good... While FFB is prob more similar than not, I think the biggest difference between the two sims is the tire model which you characterized as plastic vs rubber. GT3 tires in ACC have such a narrow window (4-5 deg) in which they generate max grip, and the fall off while substantial is communicated in a very subtle way. RRE is indeed much more progressive feel.... Aris recently commented that one thing he would still like to work on/change in ACC is the tire model, but it sounded like that may not materialize in this iteration. Anyways, great time to follow and support both Kunos and Sector3 devs. Cheers
The sort of feedback that Sector3 must have found extremely useful. I’ve just moved over to R3E, and…I AM LOVING IT!
And finally, RRE is your favourite sim now
I own both sims and love them. I have more fun in R3E... seems more natural to drive.
I can share this view after close to 100h in both sims. However, it is hard to really compare both even if you limit yourself to GT3 / GT 4 cars. ACC is a licenced game to simulate a specific GT race series of the last few years with. In Raceroom, I can choose between more then 300 GT3 cars from various series alone. So if you are a fan of the GT Masters, you can get almost all original teams incl. liveries and drivers and you could race them on a car by car basis per race....
BUT : In R3E there are no italian cars ( Ferrari, Lambo ) while in ACC quite a few US cars are missing ( GT Masters Corvettes and Mustangs, Ford GT...).
Also, R3E offers way more tracks and some even in their historic layout. Not laserscanned though. Aside from that, I could also race very different car series from open wheelers to prototypes and even streetcars in R3E - so if I would have to choose only 1 single sim...I'd go for R3E simply because it's wealth of authentic cars, tracks, new FFB/Physics, custom championship modes and many more reasons. This despite the fact that I really like ACC for it's ( limited # though ) very realistic cars, sounds, graphics, tracks, weather ( still missing at R3E ) ....
@@stefan-georgfuchs9618 yes! well said
Agree with you! Same for me.
Even now after few years.. both are great, but raceroom is more natural to drive
R3E after the new update is awesome, I have a simucube 2 pro and the FFB feels better than most sims I race on now, and I do on iRacing, ACC, AC, rfactor 2 and AMS2. The sound is the best in the business but the online presence for racers is horrible. I really hope they put in laser scanned tracks and update their graphics, this will make R3E one of the best. Lastly one thing that R3E is unique in is the selection of DTM cars, they are freaking awesome and we don’t get to race them anywhere else
Honestly I've been playing ACC solid for the last 2 years or so, I never considered anything else but it always felt like the cars tyres were not rubber, even though I've all but mastered the cars over a thousand hours plus there was always the distinct feeling they were always on the edge of just letting go, especially on curbs.
Any time I've ever lost the car on ACC I've always felt cheated as if in reality that just wouldn't have happened, they lack the weight you feel a car should have.
Recently trying raceroom was awesome, thar feeling of weight shift and the tyres actually moving underneath you like they are on something was a suprise for me, I instantly loved it and purchased the premium pack and went racing online.
It's very early days on raceroom for me but I already feel like there's a reason to race unlike ACC, platinum on ACC comes wayyy to quickly and from then on you are racing for fun only, they need to drop everyone's rank on the game and make platinum a real achievement to get because its pretty boring to race for nothing and you must fine leagues and stuff to make it worthwhile. Raceroom seems to have a better approach with its ranking system. I will say the racing is far cleaner in ACC, there's an unwritten gentleman's agreement where most drivers don't dive you if you are in a battle, raceroom is far more BTCC im coming through and using your door to do it kind of racing and while I love it I think its on the edge of being unfair racing, luckily the penalty system seems well worked out aswell so far.
So glad I tried raceroom though, very fun, I hope more people flock to it, they just need to keep the update momentum up.
ACC feels amazing, but there is just something wrong with the ffb or physics.
@@magical5181 in real life i can push more harder in curbs with my Fiat punto 188 than in ACC with M4 2019 on Monza racetrack.
Now redownloading R3E after years for it's WTCC/WTCR content.
Great video! Just a few corrections - All the tracks in ACC are lazer-scanned. In the original AC Zandvort is not scanned, but in ACC it is (Edit: while searching for a source on this I found out I was wrong. Zandvoort is still not laser scanned on ACC). And Nurburgring GP is not lazer-scanned in Raceroom, only the Nordschleife is.
Thanks! I recall hearing one of the Kunos devs mention that people really liked their original version of Zandvoort (reportedly done for them by another company, or something to that effect) so they only spruced it up to add into ACC. It'd be great if you could point me to where they said it's laser scanned so I could course correct.
That makes sense about the GP circuit. I mentioned the lack of granular feeling of FFB in R3E here, assuming it was the FFB, but it's likely to be the track surface itself then. It also explains the hugely inaccurate curbing.
@@Ermz yeah I don't remember them saying anywhere that the zandvort was Lazer scanned in acc lol
@@Ermz Sorry, my mistake about Zandvoort. I had read somewhere that the ACC version was laser-scanned but searching for a source I found this interview with Marco on Racedepartment where he does say that the ACC version uses the original AC track as a base, and that one was not laser-scanned. My bad.
@@davidperes3720 That's alright. I appreciate the information re: the GP circuit all the same. This is how we keep ourselves accountable!
@@Ermz Yeah I was mostly going by the initial Kunos marketing for the game where they were saying that all tracks in ACC were laser scanned and forgot that Zandvoort was released a bit after and might have not been included in that statement.
As for the contents of the video I agree with pretty much everything you said. I love ACC and Raceroom and go back and forth between both without being able to choose one of them as a clear favourite. But I do wonder if real life drivers would be able to attack curbs with such abandon as we can see in onboard videos if they were as much of a death-trap in real life as they can be in ACC sometimes :P
Just discovered Raceroom and absolutely LOVE IT! gave up on IRacing…One because of the decline in race craft,to many wannabes and two no feel to the car on the track,just feels like ice racing.This here,is just amazing!
RRE needs day/night cycles and rain. It has no use in endurance races without it.
Who ever does the sounds in RRE should get a raise. My neck hair just jumped when you switched from ACC to RRE audio, god damn.
Those DTM cars are their Master Piece!
nice one ermin. fantastic that you gave r3e another chance
loving R3E going back to ACC the cars feel like you are driving on ice dont know whats changed but it feels so different now, I have never thought about the shall we say lesser graphics of R3E I just wish the loading was a bit snappier I dont race online as I suffer quite badly with anxiety & dont like the thought of me ruining someone race by my ineptness & general lack of skill :(
Great job Ermin. I learned a lot about the subtleties of sim racing just watching your analysis. You put a lot of good effort into this one. I own both sims and wondered how RaceRoom stacked up against ACC in ACC.s own backyard. I also liked the way you explained how to get take the turns to get those great lap times. I'm still taking turns in a rather basic way and just don't understand how to go really fast, this helped. I'd love some really detailed track/ turn guides where you use your exceptional descriptive skills to carefully demonstrate how to get elite lap times!
Both great sims. The "unforgiveness" of curbs in ACC is something that comer since the beta stages, it is better now, but Race Room simulates better the tires' rub softness and therefore behaves better in the curbs. You frequently see an F1 car taking curbs more aggressively than you can do in ACC for that reason. The thing is, these two never were better than know, including in AI races.
As a casual player of both these, my take is this:
I like ACC because you can customize your liveries. There is also a career mode which I think is a good way to get into things without having to jump directly into multiplayer. The weather and time dynamics is a plus also I think as it adds dimentions to the game.
Raceroom is nice because one can do a lot of driving without spending any money at all. For me personally, it is also big plus that it features the main swedish tracks (which I also got 'for free', together with the some Porsche models, as member in Porsche Club Sweden. Particularily nice as that car is as similar as it gets to my own road car). In general, the number of tracks available in Raceroom is formidable and I suppose many will be able to find a track close to home which they may actually go to and drive for an IRL track day. That they are not laser scanned, well, with my cheap sim gear I'm not sure I notice any difference to be honest.
Overall I'd say Raceroom is primarily focused on the driving part where ACC is (in addition) more into the whole strategy with pitstops, weather effects etc. To some extent ACC feels a lot 'deeper' compared to Raceroom and then again, Raceroom also has a much wider range of different cars and tracks one can drive. I would though expect that maybe Raceroom will narrow the scope a bit when it comes to these over time. Probably for the better.
I wouldn't be surprised to see RRE become the most popular sim out there. Their ranked multiplayer is gaining a lot of traction and now that their handling is top notch, I wouldn't be surprised to see people migrating from IRacing with their much more affordable price point (understatement of the year!). They're looking more and more like the sim with the most complete package.
Also Ermin you have to also know that in ACC it’s homologated as far the set ups due to SRO regulations. R3E doesn’t have to do that with its GT3 cars. So there is a difference in handling but only slightly. Awesome video. My 2 favorite sims :)
Raceroom for me in VR and a good wheel, what an experience
RR in VR is the best out there. Hell you can adjust the sitting position all the way to match your real position in your rig.
The new FFB really changed the game. Now they need a proper DX12 engine :)
@@fan2hd277 AMS 2 is the best VR sim experience out there right now IMO, by a mile. Actually most of them are not bad in VR, except for ACC. ACC is a very bad experience in VR, compared to the rest.
I want: ACC for sound and tracks, Raceroom for FFB, iracing ranking system, BeamNG for damage and F1 2020 career mode cut scenes-throw in crew chief for good measure and of course great VR. Can someone make that please? :)
great modding community as vanilla AC too
Absolutely brilliant comparison video.
I just got into RaceRoom and love the new Mazda MX-5 series.
The sounds are just incredible and for me, It works out well.
I also despise the iRacing predatory fees (you have to buy everything AND have a subscription!) ...
RaceRoom is well priced for what it is and is extremely fun to drive.
Thanks again for this great video mate.
"Middle of the road 1:53 lap".
meanwhile me, rarely getting into the 57's: "don't cry, don't cry"
Same here xD
Yup, I felt insulted ;_;
Same
Keep in mind he's doing the fast chicane version of the track. That might explain why he's fast if you were doing the regular GP.
@@panvlk I am, but that's not worth 4-5s
Spot on.. was also waiting for 15:05 ... This has been one of my biggest takeaways and something I appreciated even before the update. R3e's communication of deformation is in league with rF2 imo. Can't overstate the importance of that, especially with a G29. As much as I love ACC, I continue to struggle with this.
Thanks you for taking the time to show us this to sims side by side. I personally love RR. But like you said “we’re blessed to exit in a time where doing all this is possible”
Ah that background music reminds me of my childhood
Good choice and nice video
Keep that going
To be fair, I clicked this video expecting another RaceRoom-hate video, but I was pleasantly surprised.
You gave what I think is a pretty accurate review of both sims, good job Ermin!
My new favourite sim, great FFB and plenty of great non-gt3 content. The Otter Hud overlay via Crew Chief is awesome.
I tried a similar experiment, but I didn't find RR to be better when it came to weight transfer and tire deformation. It was almost like my mind was searching for those things and the car had too much grip, but I'll have to do more testing on this by spending longer stints with each engine.
I will say that the new force feedback in RR is great. Surprisingly, I actually love the canned effects! When you combine the new FF system and those effects, especially the shifting effect, together with the amazing sounds sounds, the level of immersion surpasses ACC imo.
I haven't loaded up R3E in probably more than 3 years. Still to this day, not ONE racing title (whether simulator, simcade, arcade, whatever) has come CLOSE to having sound as immersive as R3E.
I'm an audiophile and produce my own music, giving me years of audio engineering experience. The people behind R3E (don't know how many of you remember GTR 2 back in 2005, but it's the same developers essentially) outdid themselves when implementing audio into the game.
My main is classic AC. I play other sims as a change of pace. Now that I have a slightly nicer system, and the FF model has been modernized, I'll have to go back to R3E for some laps. The sounds in that game remind you that yes, indeed, you are driving a monster.
Other games, though they have incredible sound as well, just seem too digitized and processed. R3E is raw, and that's how racers, car fans, and audiophiles like myself prefer things.
And now I'll stop gushing.
R3E is becoming big, they just announced the Indianapolis 500 layout (completing the Indianapolis circuit with every layout available), the circuit of TT Assen (I think that's what is called) and Ferrari is also coming back to RaceRoom, all this in only 29 days of 2022!
Meanwhile, RRRE is my number 1 Sim.
The AI works very well, the physics is very good, the FFB is also very good.
RRRE is very user-friendly and clear.
And there is very interesting classic content and the TCR.
if rF2 ever comes out of the bug zone where it is currently located?
I dont know.
Apart from that, a mega sim .. but after 2 years it has become too much for me with all the bugs.
s397 should finally set its priorities plus the physics.
If RRRE should actually switch to a DX11 12 plus rainy weather in the near future, then I don't need anything else.
Years ago Raceroom was one of the first sims that actually pulled me in and got me hooked. It felt so alive at the time compared to the others and I still love it to this day.
iRacing is my main sim. But driving with friends who are not so invested into it, raceroom is the way to go. And it can be driven with gamepad and that is great!
Excellent, in-depth comparison. You're making great content!
On ACC: "and the force feedback is very serviceable on a DIRECT DRIVE wheelbase" thank you making that clear, albeit understated point about ACC. On my belt driven CSW 2.5 ACC feels like mush, whilst the new R3E FFB feels more like rFactor 2.
Nice intro with Ace Combat 2 ost :) "Fire Youngman"!!
As far as I know, there are more tracks laser scanned than the Nordschleife, but nobody knows which one are, as Sector3 doesn't give any information about that. But for example the Hungaroring for me has more detail in Raceroom than in ACC. But it is different from track to track.
good thing Raceroom looks like that so my laptop can handel it :/
All the content from Raceroom + new cars + upgraded graphics engine + upgrading tracks to laser scanned should equal GTR 3.
Still needs to have 24h day cycle and dynamic weather/rain to be considered Gtr3.
But once it will have it, it really will be Gtr3.
Thats a very well made and great comparison :)
The hardest part for me is the sound. I really can't pick.
To me, ACC sounds more accurate, but more... "closed", like it's a very directional sound.
RRE sound more generic in a way, but it feels like it's filling the whole space.
Weird
Edit: Raceroom seems to have a lot more bass? I think that's why it seems to fill up the space more
Edit 2: 13:57 so ermin agrees, raceroom does have a lot more low end. Weird decision by kunos indeed
Actually I would say the opposite, ACC sounds are a bit overdone, a bit more artificial, therefore most people say it has the best sound, but it is because the cars sound better than they do in real life. Whereas in Raceroom the sounds are more realistic. So the cars sound like the real ones. And so sometimes they sound less good than the one in ACC but that's because they car sounds less good than in ACC in real life too
@@flo_h_96 it's a nice point
@@flo_h_96 Great example was the 911 GT3, was done accuratly, but not liked by the community, as you could hear the Boxer properly in car, bc of the loud transmission whine. In fact it was so loud in real life, while recording, they couldnt seperate the recorded audiolines in the studio and had to look after an opportunity to record a car while standing with rev for engine sound (most teams dont like to do that). Thats what the sound dev of R3E said.
@@ThePolarisGman i can confirm: the transmission sound in 911GT3 IRL is extremely loud. And gear changes are the loudest of all sounds...
@@flo_h_96 That's bollocks m8. ACC sounds more realistic than Raceroom. Some of the sounds in Raceroom don't even sound like the real car. What ACC has done to the sound of the cars is clip the highlights, so it isn't deafening.
Interesting comparison! Any tips on how to replicate the feeling of lateral weight transfer from Raceroom to ACC? I find Raceroom much more Intuitive in this area.
I love gearbox noise and pops and crackle noise in R3E when slowing down. And the in cabin rattling from loose parts with the sound of debris bouncing under the cars. ACC has some great sound but R3E is better.
I was left wondering about ACC's sound engineer squelching the low end as well. R3E just sounds so much more alive and "in person" rather then the "over a cell phone" of ACC.
I run my sound through a pair of Mackie HR824's and when leaving R3E after an hours session and starting up ACC, it's immediately obvious that there are so many bands clipped from the sound mix that it makes me very sad. I believe ACC *could have the better audio as well, but because of the mix (IMO) R3E walks away with a strut from ACC and takes the audio trophy.
Boy, haven't heard about the ol 824s in years. I was looking at a pair when I was still a teenager. Good hi-fi speakers, from what I was told.
@@Ermz Yeah, they have served me very well through the years. Main reason I can't bring myself to replace them, lots of recording sessions and mixing sessions between those monitors and I. :)
This comment (and also the remarks in the video) are on point. I was always wondering why ACC sounded so thin when played over my studio monitors (but serviceable over headphones). But yeah, seems they just wanted to clean up frequencies...
The first PC sim I tried was raceroom and I was immediately impressed.
Thinking that a paid for game would be better than the "free" raceroom i purchased AC and could not believe how bad it was (considering how much everyone raves about it), not deterred I purchased ACC, again not overly impressed, Raceroom just feels much much better
I also like that R3E supports multi videocard. For triplescreen 4k this makes it feel like a true pc sim.
Your driving style is so smooth
I think it so cool that we have as many sims to chose from as we do today.
The list is longer than you would expect for such a niche market:
1. Asetto Corsa
2. ACC
3.rFactor 2
4. AMS2
5. RaceRoom
6. BeamNG
7. The F1 Series
8. The WRC Series
9. Dirt Rally 2.0
10. Project Cars 2
11. iRacing
Nice touch with Fire Youngman from Ace Combat 2!
+24 db 100 hz shelf on acc does the trick :) Great video mate
I would of agreed with the comment about mid corner feedback until I dug a little deeper into my wheel setting to find that the feed back is so good I can actually feel the tyres flex in corner, so I'd say alot of any sum comes down to wheel/base, games settings and software wheel settings. And of course it's all personal preference. I tend to listen to real world races who race sims too to see what they say.
Cool comparison. ACC kinda sounds like it is in a tunnel. I prefer RaceRoom’s feel especially in the older cars. I would recommend getting both. ACC for its specialised GT content & laser scanned works of art & RaceRoom for its variety of cars & tracks. The AI in RaceRoom is really good fun to race also. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Although Raceroom has the better engine sounds, I think ACC has the better sounds for the other effects like roads, curbs, scraping. Combining the two would be the ultimate Sim racing Audio experience.
You literally just released the video i started working on 2 days ago... Audi on Nürburgring. Brilliant timing, thank you very much ^-^
My personal reason for purpose-using R3E is that sometimes I want to drive tracks located in my home land of Sweden. Great tracks like Gelleråsen, Scandinavian Raceway / Anderstorp (where F1 was hosted in the 70s, Falkenberg ring, Knutstorp Ring, Mantorp Park are all on R3E and no other game or simulation software contain these tracks.
Nice comparing and I like to know more about the direct comparison. Test on DD1 only, OK. But in general FFB feeling is very different from all setting been made on the Base/wheel and the sim. So, it‘s very helpful if you do a comparison on a DD1 that you also share your settings on the wheel and in the SIM.
Thanks for the effort in making this video. I’m waiting for a sale on RaceRoom and I’m still kinda confused on how to make purchases. Can you buy everything on Steam or do you have to do purchase from their store page?
don't buy directly on the raceroom store page. Just buy VRP credits it is much cheaper: www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24
@@overnight76 Thanks, I’ll check it out after work.
Definitely don't buy any DLC listed on Steam store, those are outdated and bad value. Purchase stuff directly from the ingame store.
For the purchases in the ingame store you have two options - to pay from Steam wallet, or use the "vRP" (virtual racing points), which is the special ingame currency. Do NOT buy through Steam wallet, instead go to raceroomstore dot com and buy the pack of these "vRP", it will save you some money.
Just for the comparison, if you just want to buy the premium pack including all the content released to date, it will cost 100 Eur if paid from Steam wallet, but only 65 Eur if you buy it with vRP currency instead.
@@panvlk Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like a good deal. I’ve noticed this sim getting more attention lately.
Raceroom has multi cars to contend with. Where acc only gt3, gt4 if raceroom concentrated say just on 1 or 2 types of cars it would be just as good or better than a lot of sims out there.
R3E feels a lot like iRacing to me now. I like the changes.
Good vid yet again Ermin👍
I love ACC but im always on Raceroom
4:25 All tracks in ACC is laserscanned ;) (Edit. can see i was wrong, sorry about that, didnt know about Zandvoort)
Excellent comparison. I love both though ACC feels more real driving experience
Did your turn off the Fanalab filtering like RR3 recommends to get more road surface details?
Where in Fanalab is their any filtering because i don't see it....
@@johnsmith-oh2xo interpolation filter
Yes, NDP and INT should be turned off.
Respectfully, there are so many setup, wheel variables here that I think direct comparisons are dubious. Both sims are great and I’m pleased to run each of them. Your video is interesting though.
Ermin, do you plan on doing some online races in Raceroom?
Yeah Ermin, come join some DTM 2020 :)
As someone who is in the predicament, I've concluded that ACC is better at the moment but R3E will pay off in the long run. Hopefully they can bring some Ferrari licenses into the game though because I do wish I could drive the 488 GT3
The Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo 2020 is in Raceroom for a while now.
Why does the RaceRoom car have a Gran Turismo banner on the windshield?
Because the real life car has a Gran Turismo banner on the windshield, maybe the manufacturers don't care of being in the virtual cars of the sims, that's why we see many many decals on the cars, but not every of them are really sponsoring the simulators.
Just wait until you discover that you can blow out your suspension if you hit a sausage curb to aggressively in RaceRoom :)
LOL yeah found that out the hard way
R3E has excellent ai...can't ignore that.
Raceroom is a fine sim. It needs weather and time progression etc but it’s a great driving sim, great ffb and driving feel. Great sounds. I drive it regularly. As much as I love RF2 it does feel a bit dated now. AC is still great and Autombilista 2 is growing on me.
ok Ermin, what did you do? Now I bought both ACC and all content of Raceroom...good times here I come 😁👍
The best choice!
7:20 Is there any other way to go? :)
Well ACC maybe be great, but I like Raceroom better because of other racing series cars and tracks are available. GT series racing is good, but is not my favorite type of racing.
I have both games and enjoy them both. Only did online league racing with RaceRoom and was a blast. I do all my games with a VR headset.
To me, both these are just games to entertain myself. I am not fussy about any of the racing games I have, just pick a vehicle, select a track, and then go race. Thats it.
Anyway, thanks for the video. Take care.
Why a racing simulator developer would promote another racing simulator in his own work? the R8 LMS in RR has Gran Turismo banner on the windshield @08:08
@@instinktd there's even a Raceroom banner somewhere around ACC's Nurburgring (or zolder, not sure) version, Chris Haye pointed it out in a video
Once RRE teams gets around upgrading to DX12 and perhaps UE5, it will be top 2 choices for Sim Racing...
Will it though
Ermin - to add more feel Add 20% road feel in game setting ACC, you will notice a big difference as I have with my DD1
I didn't enjoy doing this. It felt like injecting fake noise into the signal, rather than detail from the road surface.
@@Ermz Road effects are canned effects. Better to keep turned off.
Can't get RR FFB to work on G923! Help!
Even though both have something i still say hands down R3R is the better choice, Acc doesnt rally offer much of tracks neither cars where R3R has almost every track+class to drive with. And you dont need a high end pc to play R3R where ACC actually ask for a more high end pc to run stable.
Hey Ermin love your videos! But happened to the ffb config video you made last week I had it saved and now is gone. Keep it up!!
I like them both, ACC is for my serious league races as a hardcore sim.
Raceroom is fun to kill some time and do ranked races it hangs a bit towards simcade.
Biggest bonus off RRE, you can actually have door to door action and even a tap will not spin you like most other sims.
Makes for fun races.
The problem is you need a DD wheel to experience these Sims properly too much missing detail on my thrustmaster t300
Never driven with a direct drive but no problem with my t300. Getting plenty of info.
In Raceroom that is.
In Raceroom on T300 drop the FFB linearity to 70-75% and increase the bump amplification to 40%. That should give you plenty of details. No idea about ACC.
are the views glitched?
Yes it can espeically now I'm enjoying it just as much as I sued to enjoy iracing those first few years I started playing so yeah raceroom is amazing now and has now taken the spot of my favorite Sim lol it feels so much better then before it is truely simtastic haha but I will say this I still absokutely love acc and it's right there with raceroom for my preference
Too bad about all the dlc and monthly cost
OK, lets really think about this for one sec...we're talking about splitting hairs throughout this head-head, ACC and RR?? ACC is a one trick pony...boring.GT3-4.that's it! Which is fine if that is your thing. They (ACC) working with the latest and greatest new graphics engines, Kunos also being the bigger of the two teams...So. HELL yes, it damn well should be better, in fact it should smoke RR...but it doesn't. Can you just imagine what Sector 3 could do if they were able to add a couple people to the team, update the graphics engine??
I think what gets totally missed or at least heavily under-stated. it what Sector 3 is able to accomplish on shoestring budgets, that they offer their hard work to anyone for FREE and its a significant amount of content...who else does that? Who else lets you test drive use their DLC before you buy?? Who else will let you compete in selected events...for prizes..... and not pay one red cent???
IMHO the SiM community has a gift, and for the most part, they've overlooked or tossed in the corner to collect dust, and that is a damn shame, as RR is a diamond in the rough. WE need to support, give the smaller devs (who are amazing people) not sure I can say the same for some of the KUNOS uber egos. Give the gang at Sector 3 a chance, what do you really have to lose, some HD space?
I don't completely agree with you. When it comes to gt3 and gt4 ACC definitely does smoke rre especially when you start setting up the cars and approaching the limit. Don't get me wrong, sector 3 has done a great job, I prefer rre to rf2 but when it comes to GT3 Nothing beats ACC. The details is amazing and Kunos has worked with not just the manufacturers but also the racing team themselves. It's a lot more intricate and and a lot more realistic than rre. Rre is more fun to drive I'll give you that but acc is definitely more realistic and smokes rre in gt3 and gt4
Where have the fanatec DD1 settings gone
I'm still in search for good settings for the csl elite
Me too lol
Can anyone help me with triple screen set up in Race room, I recently upgraded to triples and am having trouble with raceroom. Please help!
they are hiring programmers to update their engine for the next decade. That is a good sign.look at their game, it is all over the game hiring programmers
I found RRE more fun to play. A wide variety of cars and better drivers in online races and stats.
ACC is just frustrating. To get the car around the corner you almost need to be an engineer to setup the car.
Also RRE has fixed setup races. And Nordschleife!
One reason I won't get into either r3e or ams2 in their current states. No driver swap. So no endurance racing.
laser scan is a meme change my mind
How? Laserscan let’s you drive the exact track irl driviers do, to the bumps and and kerbs. The detail of a laserscaned tracks adds to the ffb and makes it feel immensely better.