Movie Couples Therapy: ENCHANTED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ย. 2022
- What is the difference between love and attraction? Can you fall in love with someone you don’t initially get along with?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright compare the many couples from Enchanted, particularly Giselle and Edward and Giselle and Robert. They talk about what love is and why the classic love at first sight and true love’s kiss tropes don’t work. They discuss what it’s like to play a cartoon character in live action, and why Amy Adams nails it. They’re excited for Enchanted 2 and what Giselle and Robert’s relationship looks like years later.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright, Alan Seawright, and Corinne Demyanovich
Edited by: Sophie Téllez
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis
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Fun fact: For the bike scene, they were originally gonna pretend to hit him, but James Marsden INSISTED that they run him over because he wanted it to be genuine.
Love that man to pieces ❤️
Did they go along with it?
@@arcticwolf8313 from what I know he actually did get ran over by bikers I'm not sure if this part was true but I've heard versions of the story saying the bikers were actual random guys not stuntmen
@@theguyfromtsukihime3898 that wouldn’t be the case, the PAs would remove anyone that isn’t a part of the cast or crew from the location. Random civilian bikers wouldn’t be able to sneak and and run over this guy, and if they were, it definitely wouldn’t have been caught on film, and wouldn’t have been in the movie.
@@cloverlucky5977 plus they probably have security
@@cloverlucky5977 plus one of the bikers got hit with the toffee poison apple in the helmet so he must have been an extra.
I really like how Nancy wasn't portrayed as a jealous competitor. She was rightfully upset that her boyfriend had a half-naked woman in his apartment, but accepts and forgives his apology. When she realizes that Robert is Giselles true love, she puts her own feelings aside and tells him to kiss her. Although her ending is kinda cheesy, I'm glad she got a happy ending
That's actually a good point, like she ended up instead of being bitter, she was upset or felt some sadness which is natural, but instead takes her steps and moves on and of course in true fairytale fashion found someone for herself
My head canon is that she knows that Robert really isn’t that into her, but he’s a dad with a daughter who isn’t jaded and cynical.
When you’re marrying someone with kids, you’re marrying the kids too. Being a mom to an adorable little girl who needs a mom in her life may be what both of them need and Robert is simply a convenient vehicle to that relationship who provides a lot of practical value and stability.
Possible she’s also been hurt in the past and Robert’s practicality might not be what she wants, but that stability may be more valuable to her than the romance.
@@Justanotherconsumer she’s ready to settle for a nice guy.
I will try to not to spoil but I was always sad at how Morgan spoke about Nancy. I understand her view as a kid not wanting her dad to date again, especially with someone he doesn't vibe with. However, when we meet Nancy she's really just a normal lovely lady, maybe unused to kids. A great step mother trope break.
In the new film, it feels like they address that a little. She becomes one person Morgan can actually rely on in a fairy godmother ish way. It felt like a retro-active apology of sorts
Im so excited for Nancy to be in the sequel. She needs her own movie too
Just imagine: you're living your normal, professional, non-singing life when you suddenly break up with your boyfriend, decide to marry a dude you just met, and move to a place where you can break into song at any moment, where you find out that you sing like Idina Menzel
I'm just saying, Nancy is living the real dream here
Less of a dream and more of a psychotic episode, honestly
@@HexIsme I don’t see what the difference is
@@kyhearsawhome too lol
And in the small snippets she gets of his character from their interactions she can tell he'd be a great man / is what she is actually looking for.
1) he's romantic (he introduces Giselle in very big, passionate terms.)
2) he's not afraid to commit (getting married after a non existent courtship.
3) he doesn't play games. (he's starting to clue into the Robert/Giselle romance and instead of flirting with Nancy he keeps an eye on them.)
4) he's willing to accept advice/ influence from others, even if he doesn't like them, if it's the best course of action. (It's Robert that suggests true loves kiss and he goes with the idea)
5) he has great respect for women and isn't intimated by them being smarter or having power. (He is very deferral to Narissa, his step mother and Queen regent. He refers to her as mother. He only strip's her of her title / ability to rule for her evil deeds. If she had been decent I'm sure he would have sought her advice for running the kingdom.)
6) he's generous and caring enough to put the needs and welfare of others above his own. (When he tells Robert to kiss Giselle and after she's back he looks genuinely happy for them even though it means he has no bride. He could have also taken Giselle back to Andalasia without marrying her since that's where she belongs but instead sets her free.)
I’m happy the second movie gave Idina more scores (at least 2 scores? One is the main one)
The way the prince says "Thinking?" is brilliant acting, it showcases that a single thought has never crossed the man's mind.
HAHA RIGHT
His head is constantly empty, god bless
He is the epitome of "Head Empty. No Thoughts".
There is not a single thought behind his precious eyes
His head is full of nothing but musical notes and hot air.
The things is: Robert was saying he was ready to marry Nancy because he believed he fully knew her. But as Giselle set up romantic things for her, Robert was surprised that Nancy enjoys fresh flowers and was absolutely down for the Kings and Queens Ball. He missed this whole entire side of her despite being with her for 5 years. Something so many couples do to each other. They think they know all there is to know and stop pursuing each other. They stop learning about each and just start co-existing.
Also, the person you love changes over time, just like you do. So you have to keep pursuing them because they're not 100% the same person you met in the first place.
I was a born and raised city girl 15 years ago when I married my hubby. Thanks to life stuff, I've since become a homesteading country girl, crocheting, homeschooling, canning, and dreaming of a future where I have chickens. Hubby loving me used to look like going out to the movies and walking on the beach. Now it looks like taking me yarn shopping and letting me destroy the kitchen while I try a new pie recipe. :P
@@ashleypenn7845 that's why you should date someone who have compatible values! Hobbies and passions may change but hopefully values are for life!
Exactly. That’s one of the main reasons it didn’t work with Nancy, but will/does with Giselle
@loiracitr I feel like maybe sharing same hobbies/interests isn't vital, as long as you're very much willing to celebrate the other person & support them in finding things that bring joy to their lives...? You can always explore each others' interests later, as long as you have good overlap on ethics and communication strategies?
I soo agree
James Marsden launching into "I've been dreaming" and then getting mowed over by cyclists is a scene that lives rent free in my mind and plays more often than I care to admit.
I remember as a kid when I first watched it and I bursted out laughing.
@@alexanderv.domanski9246 sane.
Sonic and that rabbit from Hop are laughing their asses off with concern shortly after out of view.
Lives forever rent free in my brain, it's such great comedy.
Yes, it never fails to make me burst out laughing, even though I know it's coming!
The thing I like the most about Enchanted is that it consistently upends tropes like "damsel in distress", "love at first sight", etc. But more than anything, Giselle gets to be feminine, "girlie" and badass at the same time. At a time when femininity was looked down upon (the 2000s were a fever dream), this character is a pink princess who slays dragons with a sword. Because you can be both. And I love that.
Barbie, Winx Club, Charlie's Angels...even Shrek's Fiona.
"Badass girlie girls" were everywhere in the 2000's.
Femininity was never looked down upon. It has been defined differently throughout the ages, but never looked down on.
@@playerpage you're kidding, right? Where were you when any "feminine" traits were (and often still are) considered inferior? When women and girls were reduced to "mean girls", and things like fashion and makeup were (and are) seen as vain nonsense? And obviously also are the only thing women could possibly care about? Where were you when "you run like a girl", "crying is for girls", "girls wear fake eyelashes, fake hair, and makeup, and then complain they can't get a real man"? When "not like other girls", "one of the boys", "she's cool, she's not a girlie girl"? Or are you just the perpetrator of all these instances when femininity was "not looked down upon"? Or maybe you live on a different planet, in which case, I wanna go there. Thanks.
@@igorclaudino891 Don't forget Elle Woods in Legally Blonde.
@@playerpage *Press X to doubt*
One of the things I really like about the “That’s How You Know” song is that it basically goes through the different love languages.
“Does he leave a little note to tell you you’re on his mind?” Words of affirmation
“Send you yellow flowers when the sky is gray?” Gift giving
“Does he take you out dancing just so he can hold you close?” Quality time and physical touch
“Dedicate a song with words meant just for you?” Words of affirmation
“Wear your favorite color.” Service i guess?
“Plan a private picnic by the fire’s glow.” Quality time/service/gift giving
And of the “he’ll find a new way to show you a little bit everyday” which I think is the key message to the song and to healthy loving relationships. Love is a choice, and you have to show your partner that you love them everyday, in whichever way they find meaningful.
Gold Star
Very astute observation. Well done ❤
Love this!
Yup *ding*
You are exactly right
Both Giselle and Robert make valid points about relationships during the Central Park scene. Robert insists that you have to take the time to get to know the other person before getting into a serious relationship, and that many impulsive ones can end badly, while Giselle insists that it needs to be romantic. For a relationship to be successful, you need to both work a building a solid foundation, and to let your partner know how much they mean to you.
yeah, as longterm sensical getting to know eachother first and all are, he sounds a bit clinical about it and a relationship without any level of being in love is just as doomed, as a hormon rushed fling.
or, if you're me and my husband, just be too goddamn stubborn to leave each other 😀👍
@@dietotaku Hahhaha that's my husband and I. We're pretty much Al and Peggy Bundy... in our 30s
I also loved this movie so much because in the movie they took notes from each other and it balanced itself out, she learned some realities about love and relationships, and he learned that he doesn't have to be so strict with himself and can be spontaneous and let things happen, and even in the sequel the lessons she learns goes beyond that about life in general, if anyone has not seen the sequel, if you can, please go watch it it's beautiful, may be a bit bias but yeah lol
And they sort of come to a balance in the end and learn from each other. They complement each other so beautifully and you can see the love ❤️
In an interview, James Marsden said that, when he looked at the script for Enchanted, it was the first time he knew immediately how he wanted to play a character. I think that really shows in his performance.
Totally!
So… it was love at first sight 🤔😊
@@laurajaynenolan2149 He'd 🎶been dreaming of a [role like this], probably
@@narnigrin (incoming bike)
I love how Edward switches from homicidal intent to "oh, you're friends."
Nathaniel was oddly satisfying as a character after he stopped simping for Narissa. She is so obviously manipulating him, but he just keeps falling for it through most of the movie. So it made me smile so hard when he finally stood up to her. And the fact that he was ashamed of what he had been complicit in doing, but still taking responsibility... Good on you, Nathaniel! You don't have to put up with that, and you can stand up and say, "No. I'm not going to do this, and I'm not going to protect you from the consequences of your actions. You are not allowed to determine my path."
Which is why we, as an audience, so readily forgive him for all he did, and instead, cheer when he writes his best-seller.
People WANT to forgive, when the people who need forgiving ACTUALLY DO REPENT.
I always see that as Nathaniel ending a toxic relationship. One where a party thinks all the bad things their partner is doing is right in their own way, maybe they’ll change, its okay they’re doing it for me. The moment she said “worthless” to him is when he finally gets that he was always just a tool. If we see the scene where she acts pitiful and manipulates him into going to the real world, she’s actually giving him a hope of togetherness so his simping isn’t mainly a one sided crush. He really was led on by her numerous times until the real world changes his perspective.
Oh he’s one of my favorite characters! “Kkkkklare-mellll apple?!!!!!” 😂
I love how Robert says “they’re birds, they don’t know where she lives” but he does accept that the birds are taking the flowers SOMEWHERE.
If they fly off with them, they are definitely taking them somewhere. For all we know, the nearest dirty pond, but certainly somewhere!
...and the fact that Giselle summoned them to her simply by singing also seems to be fine, lol.
Fun fact: if you watch the commentary, several groups in Central Park were not actually cast (including the candle lady and the folks with stilts), but while filming the people asked if they could help.
So.... yes, you CAN spontaneously burst into song in Central Park and people will randomly join you.
This is just precious. I imagine the people that joined will always remember the occasion 🧡
As is established in New York City law
Aww that's so sweet tho I love my city
@@zrc1514 But it is illegal to do so at a bus stop.
And no puppet shows in your window!
BUT the candle lady is sooo perfect in the scene where she shows up!! 😱 I thought it was a nod to Lumiere
Fun fact: the receptionist at the law office is Jody Benson, the voice of Ariel
And a version of part of that world is playing in the background when she’s talking to Robert about trying out where the hell Giselle is from lol. I sometimes wonder if other people have made these connections like with Idina playing Nancy and Elsa from frozen or if I’m just weird 😂😂
@@xragdoll5662 I don't think a lot of people realize that's her. Plus Frozen came out several years after enchanted did So she wasn't a Disney queen yet when this came out. It might have been a precursor or at least an audition.
That brings a new perspective on the moment when Giselle spits the live fish into a glass in front of the receptionist, and the look of horror on her face.
@@sarahmarcoux6092 omg, I’m seeing everything differently now 🫢
Curious. In Brazil the Idina's voice actrees voiced Ariel.
One of my favorite things about this movie is that the pre-existing love interests AREN'T the villains! That's SO rare in a romance/rom-com. So often the main characters are attached to awful people and the choice in the end is simply to not be with a terrible person. But in this one, it wasn't that anyone was "bad", but they just weren't with the right person. It wasn't a black and white good/evil issue but just... this new person is a better match for me, and we're all happier with these other people because we're a better fit, not because the other one was a bad person.
Agree 100%%
I also like how even though we're mostly following Giselle as a point of view character, and Robert is maybe the more relatable one as the audience lives in the real world like him, neither of their perspectives on love and relationships are shown to be wrong/ignorant or completely compromised/invalidated. They just see two different sides to it, which are both important and have value. Like a lot of media will side with one over the other regarding its message and how it frames things - either the sunny optimistic character needs to be more realistic about the world and learn how uncaring and harsh it is, or the grumpy cynic needs to open up and learn to love and enjoy life.
But neither character is entirely one or the other themselves so it avoids those flat archetypes (and falling into the worst parts of some tropes like the MPDG as they're helping/supporting and inspiring each other instead). So Giselle is able to navigate and understand the "real world" and find joy and beauty in it (while bringing some of her own from hers), and Robert lets her be more realistic with herself about her feelings and what she really wants. All that to say, I love this movie and it's easily up there for me in fun fantasy/fairytale movies where I can endlessly rewatch and find something new to appreciate and overanalyse each time, along with Stardust and Tangled. ♥️
Absolutely. Not being the right fit for someone doesn't make you a villain, and doesn't mean things have to end ugly. You can totally have two good people who just aren't compatible! I appreciate that this movie allowed that for both of them
Despite there relationship not being ideal, the fact that Edward listens to Giselle say "no" and then quickly responds to the "these are my friends". That listening and responding is super important.
Because he is a respectful, good guy. That's why at the end of movie he gets his happily ever after
Hm.
Like how in the “true loves kiss will wake her” scene, when he kisses her and it doesn’t work, he immediately tells Robert to kiss her, without an ounce of jealousy. He just wants to save Giselle.
I love how Edward is not an asshole. He's genuinely a good person and he cares so much about Giselle that he begs Robert to kiss her. He just wants a good life with a nice lady and, honestly, who doesn't? Not exactly the most mature view of love, but you can see that he's willing to try and make his partner happy. I'm with Nancy in this, that man is a catch.
Yup, he's not an asshole, he's just detached from reality.
@@mr.cauliflower3536 Not really, his reality is literally different to ours. I mean Giselle was ready for that reality too because they are fairy tale characters
@@mr.cauliflower3536 He's... himbo-ish
Ofc, and it adds to the story. He’s a lot of girls dream man
Edward is a highly unappreciated Disney Prince (now King) for the fact that he willingly jumps into a mysterious well to rescue a girl he just met and even when she falls in love with someone else he's not mad about it. I definitely think Nancy was good for him since she's the more rational of the 2 but she herself is a romantic and can adapt to Andalasia very well.
I know it's a movie and all but the scene where Giselle finally feels anger is something that happened for me (not exactly that way but still). Since I was a little girl, I've had troubles expressing my emotions or even understanding them and in my current relationship (thanks to him and a lot of selfwork), I'm starting to be able to feel anger, to say out loud that this is anger and to work though it. I remember once when he was badly getting on my nerves and I actually enjoyed the feeling because for the first time it was real and strong. I was angry and smiling at the same time.
That's awesome. Proud of your growth!
That sounds very disturbing but good for you🤘🏼
This is weird but not uncommon for girls, growing up constantly told to smile and that anger is unfeminine and unattractive. Now I notice that when I'm truly furious i smile, even eyes and everything. Only those who know me long enough know that my neutral bitch face is how you know I am content.
Congratulations!
(Not ironic, I really think that´s fantastic.)
I remember encouraging my college roommate to voice her opinions because she too never really let herself experience any of the emotions aside from positivity (even if it was manufactured). She was just so sweet and wanted to be liked and had this identity of being the good girl/the mature sibling/the responsible older sister. The first time she blew up at a situation I was grinning so hard. She stopped mid-rant and was like: WHY ARE YOU SMILING?!! And I responded: I’m smiling cause I’m so proud of you for finally speaking up. And from that point on she never had a problem telling me her opinions 😅😅. She’s a badass business woman and product designer now and I couldn’t be more proud of her.
It is a crime that comedic performances can't win oscars. There are so many great performances in comedy.
Right!?
I didn't know they can't, that's ridiculous... who thought of that rule and why??
@@Lokear The Oscars are just so slow to change. Didn't even have a best animated category 'til 2002.
The last time an actor got nominated for a comedic performance was with Melissa McCarthy as Best Supporting Actor in Bridesmaids. Well deserved
Nobody ever said they couldn't. Brad Pitt won for OUATIH just 3 years ago
Roberts secretary is the actress who plays the original Ariel 😊🧜♀️ and the older dancers in Central Park are the original rooftop dancers in Mary Poppins
Oh yes, I didn't realise it as a child, but now it's an excellent piece of meta casting!
And I’m pretty sure the actress for Belle is in the soap opera Edward watches and the beauty and the beast theme plays
and the woman we see turned into a cartoon princess later BECOMES an iconic one (frozen). this movie is so undeerrated
Jodi Benson! And when Giselle is looking at the aquarium at the office you can hear Under the Sea playing!
The actress who voiced Pocahontas is on the soap that Edward watches, too
I nearly broke out into applause when Alan said it was a crime that comedic performances don't win Oscars and then noted that James Marsden's performance was not only amazing but was the best performance in all of 2007. Marsden is such a great actor and extremely underrated, so its nice to see him getting the recognition he deserves. His role in Hairspray is also a highlight.
yes!!
James Marsden is an excellent actor who is often typecast into comedic roles. It's Jim Carrey syndrome (another truly excellent actor who gets typecast). And he puts SO DAMN MUCH into each performance, makes them so delightful and fun... and everyone dismisses it because it's "just comedy." No. NO.
I would say an exception for James is his role in Hairspray, Corny Collins. Corny in the movie multiple times says that they should integrate the show and doesn’t actually seem like a comedic role. A good character for that(in Hairspray) is Penny.
Totally underrated in hairspray!
It's just too bad it took all the way until Sonic the Hedgehog for him not to come in second place for a girl's affections. The irony being that since might argue she came in second. To a hedgehog.
I wanted to bring up how Robert sings to/for Giselle when they’re dancing together. He literally says “And I really don’t sing” and sings to show her that he loves her. I think that’s a super sweet detail.
"So Close" is the best scene and it's lovely
It literally took me until last week, when I introduced it to my husband, to realize that he was singing to show her he loved her LIKE THE SONG SAID. I couldn’t believe I’d missed it all these years lol
They shouldn't be dancing together, they should be dancing with their intendeds instead, when you agree to marry someone you marry them no matter what.
@@travisboutilier2220 #toxic
@@Deen_Over_Dunya_Love I am not toxic.
Fun fact: The secretary who used the bridge metaphor, is Jodi Benson; the original voice of Ariel in the Little Mermaid. Which also lends to the humor of Disney making fun of themselves and Giselle spitting a fish into a cup much more humorous.
Awwwthats nice to know!! I bet she was happy to be a part of this movie 😊
I feel like Robert and Giselle are much more on the same page than they appear to be. Robert insists on putting effort into building a solid, steady relationship. Giselle insists on putting effort into romantic gestures like going dancing and sending flowers and saying "I love you." Even though they direct their energies in different ways they both believe in putting the effort into a relationship.
They are. The difference is each of their details fulfills a different need and way to express love. Robert likes to express security but Giselle likes to add nuance and sweetness to make a loved feel special.
They have different love languages but both value love itself
That's wake makes great relationships. There needs to be work by both people
My pre-marriage counselor (highly recommend getting that kind of counselling when planning to marry) told me, "Love isn't just expressed in sex or big gestures, It's something you can show each other every day in small gestures." I think of that when I do or receive the little things that express caring in our relationship, so that I remember that even when we're tired and dirt broke we are still expressing love.
Love that!!
One of the most loving things anyone can say is: "Don't forget your seatbelt". This is the hill I'll die on!
Not to mention in Giselle’s big “how does she know you love her?” Song she’s mentioning all the little things a couple can do to say “I love you”
Hitting the right nerve at the right time... So true 👍
Yes! Yesterday my mum woke up early to make my Dad special pancakes for breakfast to stand him in good stead and this morning my dad got up early to de-ice my mum’s car for her. They have been married for over 40 years 😊
My life is now complete since I've seen Jonathan sing and giggle like a Disney Princess.
It was so cute to
The actress playing Morgan in Disenchanted is actually a different actress from Morgan in Enchanted! Whoever's in charge of casting did a phenomenal job because they look like sisters. However, the original actress that played Morgan IS in the sequel, she has a really quick cameo in the town square.
Why didn’t why just use her?😭
@@thisnigerianlovesdrinkingg4522 I'm not sure! Since the original Morgan was in the movie, it doubt there was any bad blood or anything. It could have been that she wasn't interested, or maybe she didn't have the vocal range needed for the role. There could be other reasons of course, but those are two likely ones.
The original actress has only been in one episode of a TV show since 2007. I'd say she stopped acting, and probably because she isn't interested in acting. She is a playwright and composer now.
For the "I'm angry" scene... He quite literally made her feel feelings she's never felt before, and she is so excited and confused by them at the same time... It's like such a love trope but played off in such a good way!
According to Kevin Lima he stated that this was the part where Giselle and Robert especially Robert fall in love.
I love how Edward let Giselle go at the end, without hesitation. Because he truly loved her, he wanted nothing more for her than be alive and happy with Robert.
Honestly I think he’s just too confused to know what’s going on.
He’s… not very sharp.
@@Justanotherconsumer That's what the sword is for haha
@@Justanotherconsumerhead empty but heart full probably why Nancy decided to marry this golden retriever of a man
@@Justanotherconsumer he's a himbo and we love him
@@Strangelyfey Now I think Nancy gonna be the one to run the kingdom while Edward run around finding things to keep her feel the romance 🤣
One of the things I liked about Giselle and Robert being together is that they compliment each other well. Robert keeps Giselle grounded while Giselle helps Robert be a little more optimistic and romantic. Enchanted is a underrated film by far!
Well i don't care if they compliment each other, they are engaged to other people and have to stay with them. it deserves to be underrated, it encourages people to go against their engagements.
@@travisboutilier2220Um, no? People aren't obligated to stay in a relationship or engagement, especially if they're not right for each other and it isn't working. If that's the case, it's better for them to mutually end it before they make any further, more serious commitments (such as marriage). As long as the break-up or calling off is respectful and mature, and there's no betrayal such as cheating, it's just a normal part of human relationships. Not everyone finds the right person the first time around, and we're not all mated for life. There is no binding contract for engagements in most cases. We're not in a Jane Austen novel. So why do they "have to stay with them"?
Also, neither original couple is really engaged - Robert says he was planning on proposing to Nancy but doesn't, while Giselle and Edward immediately skipped to marriage and missed that whole period, so 🤷. Either way, I hardly think this film is seriously affecting people's decisions on their relationships to the point it "encourages them to go against their engagements".
Is no one gonna note how Jonathan burst into song and giggled like a school girl over popcorn? Best commercial ever! Give him an Oscar 🎉😂
James Marsden is an incredibly underrated and talented actor. The way he plays the over the top cartoon prince is hilarious
He nails it!
Only now do I realize how much the first X-Men trilogy DISPOSED his character and never gave him really much to work with.
@@DieVorleserin-ok8zr James Marsden was often typecasted as a cuck.
I love how Giselle's clothes and hair gradually get less fairytale and more modern real world. Great touch. Her voice and gestures do the same. Same with going from her singing like a musical to it being a soundtrack sitch.
It fit her character arc in the story but i was unimpressed by her dress in the Ball near the end of the movie
@@Graycata same here.
Hm.
It's a great display for both of them.
She's getting more and more real and he's dressed EXACTLY like the prince from her dream.
They've each moved from their starting position (love should be purely pragmatic vs love is huge gestures and needs no work) and met in the middle - that love needs compatibility and work but it should fill you with joy.
@@Graycata Agreed, it looked too prom dress for my liking, but that was the in style for prom dresses that year so.... 🤷♀️
I was raised with a weird combination of "love at first sight," and "getting to know each other before you fall in love."
My parents both KNEW the first time they met that they were meant to marry each other, and so they purposefully set out to fall in love with each other, over the course of the next few months.
They were a fantastic couple.
Weird but somehow wholesome.
Another thing I just love about Enchanted is the narrative that a couple breaking up because ultimately they are not the right fit for one another can happen in a really non-dramatic, respectful way. Robert still liked and reapected Nancy. Giselle still wished Edward only the best. They didn't cheat on their partners, noone fought or despised each other. Those were two couples that didn't belomg together, and everyone was able to remain friendly and polite. There are no villains in these break ups and honestly that's how it should be.
I hate a couple breaking up, nonsense, they are the right fit for each other. there's no point in respecting someone you broke up with. they cheated in my view, once you agree to marry someone, you stay with them. Edward should have fought and despised that lawyer for taking his intended away. they so did belong together.
@travis boutilier this is your weekly reminder that bitching on the internet will do absolutely nothing and that you're no more or less special then anyone else and that other people's relationships, real or fake, are none of you're buisness.
Also for the millionth time in a row...where's the damn proof? (Hint. You know you can contact someone through their imdb if you have a membership right? It took two whole seconds to find)
@@shadowrose1859 Nonsense, it will do something and i am something and i decide what is and isn't my business, not you. i don't need proof, i just know.
@travisboutilier2220 if it was going to do something then it would have already and it hasn't. In fact it's had the opposite effect but of course you're way too dumb and stubborn to see it.
@travisboutilier2220 also if your accomplishing anything you mind proving that....oh wait you can't even do that with anything basic. Haven't even managed to prove the Disney movies you claim to hate (yet still watch for some reason?) are "propaganda". Typical right wing, presumably American Christian falling for all the damn conspiracies and the like that have no basis real life. Hope the cognitive disinance is fun.
Lemme guess the earth is also flat, lizard shapeshifters hold all the power, vaccines cause autism, and you listen to Alex Jones and Kenneth Copeland on the daily
Also, Giselle isn't naive and need to be protected in HER world, in her world she's quite savvy. It's just she's in a different world, and it works way differently. So it takes some time to learn the new rules and adjust.
Well said!
There’s a trope that’s called “wrong genre savvy” that’s often hilarious.
@@Justanotherconsumer I'd like to see that!
The anime “The Devil is A Part-Timer” plays very much into this trope. Much fun!
I love that they didn't feel compelled to make Prince Edward an awful character to give Giselle a reason to fall for Robert. He was ready to dispatch Robert, but only because he thought he thought he was holding Giselle captive. When he found out he wasn't, he dropped it immediately and didn't hold a grudge or become suspicious. When she started trying to test him by real world standards after her time spent there, he was refreshingly resilient. He didn't melt down or have a tantrum when Giselle wasn't singing back to him like she usually would. When she told him she wanted to go on a date, he didn't scoff or refuse, he was just like, "Of course! Whatever will make you happy!" When his kiss didn't wake Giselle, he doesn't waste time sulking, he just asks Robert to do it. Truly elevated, golden retriever boyfriend energy.
Excellent observation. I never really thought about it, but you're correct, they could have made both Edward and Nancy horrible people but they didn't.
"Golden retriever boyfriend energy" is something not many men are built for, but when it consists of this I'm all for it.
It's so refreshing to hear Robert tell Giselle she's beautiful without there being any objectifying hint of, "You're hot, you're sexy, I wanna do/have you." One whole person seeing another whole person.
Jon and Alan discussing love and how it takes time. How it is not a decision that just happens out of the blue.
Me: nods along agreeing.
Also me: realizes that my husband and I went from "hi, my name is" to "I do" in 5 weeks. Today marks our 15 year anniversary. Lol.
I think connection and attraction happen fast. And love, true love, pulls you through and makes it last.
My husband's parents met in December and married in February. They celebrated 52 years. My husband and I knew each other for three months before getting engaged. We've been together for 15 years ❤️
If you think about it, you’ve been preparing for it ever since you were born. Likewise, your partner would be too.
Idk if you read/believe it but in the bible, in the Song of Songs, there’s a verse where the bride-to-be is advising the younger women to not activate their relationship love before the appointed time. To save it for the real person, as it were. So yeah, few moments with the right person > years and years with someone you weren’t meant to be with.
It's really cool that that worked out for you two. I for myself would have so freaked out if my boyfriend had proposed to me after five weeks. (And I would most definitely have said no.)
But I would say "love and the recognition that relationships need work make it last"? I mean, it depends, there are surely people who just do everything right naturally and who are maybe quite similar in certain things (values, how they feel about certain situations, how they handle them and so on) so they don't get in that much conflict. But a lot of relationships (like mine) need hard work. And when you don't have the opinion relationships should be great effortlessly you're willing to put in this work because of love.
So you were in the infatuation stage and got married and were lucky enough that it turned into real love. Congratulations here's them anymore years!
This is called 'survivor bias'. You beat the odds, but most people that marry people they don't really know don't. I'm glad you did.
The problem with Robert and Nancy's relationship is that Robert took practicality to an insane extreme imo. Nancy was asking for just a base of romance, just get her one bouquet of real flowers, not a freaking Pinterest e-card with flowers and a note that even your boss would consider distant. Nancy wanted to go out dancing and he didn't view the romanticism in it so he wasn't interested. He was FAR TOO practical and everyone saw it and called it out, which is why the secretary was like that in the scene. She wasn't insulting marriage she was saying that that is what a marriage without love becomes so does he really want to marry Nancy without loving her.
You put in to words on why I couldn't pin down why their relationship didn't work.
Based from my experience, when a relationship/marriage becomes transactional by pure habit, it's basically doomed.
I love how with Edward and Nancy you can tell how compatible they are from their first interaction where edward calls Gisele his "true love" or something like that and Nancy notes how much she appreciates that his does so with total sincerity. That's the kind of love she wants - loud and unafraid. Robert doesn't even know how to introduce her because he doesn't want to define their relationship too much.
Obvs Robert and Gisele are amazing too but I love how they show that the secondary romance is also a good fit
Yes! And when Giselle sends her the flowers with the pigeons under Edward's name with the tickets for the ball, she loves it and Robert never would have done that at that time
I love how, for just a second, Allan seems genuinely regretful and hurt that he didn't send John flowers via dove.
I haven't seen anyone comment anything about this yet. But It's been gaining traction that established titles is a scam and there is no land being sold. I've seen several Scottish people point this out and few channels have made a statement after working with them. Your channel's team might wanna look into it to ensure you're getting the correct information. Love your channel and wish you guys the best.
Thanks for commenting this. Not only aren't they selling land (apparently it's not legally possible to sell plots that small), but even if they were, you also don't get to call yourself a laird if you do own land in Scotland (that's an inherited title). And on top of it, they're not planting any trees, at least not themselves, and while they claim to give money to a separate charity that does plant trees, there's apparently no evidence for that other than their word for it (and that charity, while legit, plants trees on land that's already protected, so it's doubtful it makes THAT much of a real difference).
Plus the people who run ET also run several other pretty random businesses like Kamikoto knives and Deal Dash. And hail from Hong Kong and Finland
Yes, I really hope they see this comment and look into it. I've been seeing Established Titles advertised e v e r y w h e r e recently!
^ that company is like cramming in as many sponsorships as they can before more people find out!
@@narnigrin The fact that one of the selling points is that you can legally change your own title to laird / lord / lady is laughable. I wonder how many people actually tried, or succeeded in changing any of their legal documents or ID to include it.
Yeah - just wanted to chip in here, too. I really appreciate this channel and I know they've tried to be pretty on the level about their sponsors, so I hope they see this and respond by cutting off that sponsorship. It's pretty gross how Established Titles is scamming.
I REALLY like that when Edward questions why Giselle was “thinking”, it’s not because she is a female and thus expected not to think, even in the fantasy world, it’s simply because NO ONE thinks in the fantasy world - I mean, Edward himself isn’t all that bright… I appreciate that they didn’t take the easy approach of turning Edward into a misogynist, because it means we can actually enjoy the character despite his naivety.
I loved that, but I had forgotten just how dim he was. When I saw the sequel on Disney+, my first thought when I saw him interact with Robert initially was, "Was he always this unintentionally insensitive?"
He has no reason to think.
He's a fantasy land prince. There aren't wars, famines or politics. You just have to get married, have babies, throw some balls and have a great time.
Enchanted is such a fun feel good movie. Apparently that part with James Marsden being run over by the cyclists is real and was James' idea, originally they were just to bump him and he'd fake falling down but he didn't like the way it looked and insisted on a real head on collision.
Imagine being tasked with running over James Marsden
I love it!!!
james marsden is such an underappreciated actor, he was so fantastic in both the sonic movies as well.
Maybe this is just me being a guy, but James Marsden will always just be Cyclops to me. The fact that I learned he could sing because I got suckered into watching this blew my mind.
@@dietotaku I agree with you.
Jonathan getting the popcorn from the doves actually made me laugh out loud, that gave me an irrational amount of joy!!!
"You've got to kidding me?" That line WRECKED me! OMG I'm dying, hilarious, and the way James Marsden was leaning so hard into his cartoon prince character, amazing!
"Animators don't have time to animate chest hair....unless your Gaston" made me laugh so hard. Love y'all's videos!
Thanks! We love sharing laughs with y'all!
Me too. I thought it half a second before it was said, and then spent the next minute trying to not laugh loudly enough to wake up my housemates. That was perfect delivery.
@@CinemaTherapyShow 0:10 Well, then you two should react to Shadiversity's video on Cinderella 2015 titled 'In defense of love at first sight' and his love story with his wife. He has an interesting view on this trope
😂😂😂😂
@@CinemaTherapyShow Established Titles is a SCAM!!!
I like that Prince Edward is such a wholesome if a bit clueless character and not one of "those" princes, you know what I'm talking about.
Same. It’s not that he’s a bad person. He and Giselle just became incompatible as the story goes on. Just as Robert and Nancy found that they just didn’t mesh that well.
It’s a good lesson for younger people to learn. Sometimes you and someone you were infatuated with aren’t going to work well together and that’s fine. It doesn’t always mean that one or both of you are bad people.
definition of a "himbo" haha.
@@animeotaku307 and... it certainly does not mean you shouldn't be friends.
YES. The trope where the former love interest reveals themselves to be a jerk is called the "Disposeable Love Interest," and it's wonderful that they didn't use it here. Making the former/rival love interest just act like an asshole (sometimes seemingly out of nowhere) is supposed to be a kind of band-aid for the fact that the new couple is technically committing infidelity. It's like an emotional "Get out of jail free" card, where they say that what the new couple is doing is fine, because the former love/rival love "is clearly a jerk, they deserve it!", rather than acknowledging that real love, emotions, and relationships are complex, and, like another commenter said, people DO fall out of love sometimes, or just realise that they're not ultimately a good fit long-term.
that he immediately believes her and stands down without arguing when giselle says robert is her friend. of course part of that is scene is just leaning into the cartoon trope for comedy, but i just love that he trusts her.
edward might be one of the best cartoon princes.
I know this is late, but this is one of my favorite TH-cam channels and I'm really worried about the sponsor "Established Titles". The Scottish government has made multiple statements that this is a scam and buying a plot of land does NOT make you a Lord or Lady, and that there's no proof you're actually getting a plot of land at all. As well, there's currently an investigation to see if the company behind Established Titles is actually doing the charitable work they claim to be doing (planting a tree for every order) as there's evidence that they haven't been doing this at all. Please don't buy from these people and I hope the folks at Cinema Therapy realize their being made to promote a scam.
Im pretty sure cinema therapy doesn't check their sponsors at all considering that they still advertise Betterhelp a lot... can't blame em for wanting to get paid, but don't trust anything their shilling
@@necrodeus6811
Actually, they addressed the BetterHelp situation in a community post here on TH-cam. You can go to their community post here and see for yourself.
I don’t know what’s going on, but tons of channels who take this stuff very seriously are getting sponsorships it’s weird
@@livrobinson7212 I can't seem to find the post your talking about, but I hope this is true and they're aware now!
@@necrodeus6811 @CinemaTherapyShow/community -> search "betterhelp" -> 7 months ago
22:44 I love how Giselle is now the one more or less looking at Edward like people looked at her at first.
When Giselle doesn't sing back to Edward, I've always interpreted that as her starting to realize that they don't have true love, that he's not the one.
Me too!😊
She cannot complete his hearts duet
I'm really bummed. James Marsden and Idina Menzel originally had a duet, but they took it out either for time or because it would have detracted from Gisele and Robert.
Amy Adams is AMAZING in Disenchanted. The way she can turn from good to evil and back to good multiple times in a few seconds is frankly jaw dropping.
Amy Adams gives her ALL in Disenchanted. Sadly, the material is just not that good. I even think that the animation in the first movie is superior than the one in the new one... And the first movie is 15 yeats old 😅
@@mark_u I agree, the animation almost looks cheap and I feel really bad for the animators who put their blood and sweat into those projects only to be underpaid and forced to rush their work. I was disappointed
Seconded, Amy is far better than the hokey written she was given for the sequel. She definitely needs to win her long awaited Oscar already!
I loved her character so much in Disenchanted and I was honestly scared during that scene when she became full on Lady Tremaine. That line that went something like "and the mending and the sewing, and don't forget about the chimney, it's filthy business" gave me such chills. Especially when contrasted with her line in the first film "We adore each filthy chore that we determine!" Just such brilliant acting. She was a delight to watch!
I wish they put more thought into the script like they did with this movie. I wish they kept Robert and Morgan's personalities in the fairy tale world... that would have made it sooo much better.
Fun fact, the woman working with Robert is Ariel herself, Jodi Benson. And they have Paige O’Hara (the one and only Belle!) and Judy Kuhn (the singing voice for Pocahontas) show up in fun cameos as well.
P.S. Amy Adams is absolutely wonderful! Her performance in the scene where she experiences true anger for the first time is just heart-rending. Adams’ face registers so much in the span of a couple of seconds. It truly was worthy of an Oscar.
It's got almost the same feeling from Princess and The Frog, Tiana doesn't believe in fairy tales because she grew up and learned that work is the best way to get life but Charlotte didn't really grew up much and still strongly believes in all those magic things. In the end, they learn to enjoy magic in little things like making delicious foods for your loved ones or enjoying the nature around it (?)
I gotta say I used to be a huge fan of a movie critic who tore movies apart. I liked it because it was funny but it was always uncomfortable in some way. You two call out errors when you see them but for the most part you praise the movies you watch, and I absolutely love it. You've entered a platform where there's a huge market for negativity and turned it on its head by showing that positivity can be funny, entertaining and enjoyable too.
I want to frame this
i didn't realize it until you've spelled it out, but yeah, i've really been missing out on positivity in movie reviews for...well pretty much for as long as the Movie Critic Personality have been a thing on youtube. alan shedding light on the skills and techniques needed to pull off scenes we take for granted or gushing about someone's acting is something i really enjoy from this channel that i didn't necessarily expect when i started watching CT.
@Beka Davis - Have you watched the discussions of "The Notebook" and the "Twilight" series yet? The men saved up their praise for films like this one.
@@58209 There's also CinemaWins (which is a positive parody of CinemaSins) which points out "wins" in movies
@@Oshroth YES! I love CinemaWins, as well. I love/need the positivity.
It makes me so insanely angry that James Marsden didn't have a bigger career. He's gorgeous, he can do drama, he's incredibly funny, he can sing, my God. The man should have an EGOT by now.
At least he does Sonic movies now.
Agreed!
When was he on Broadway? Or record music that would qualify for a Grammy?
You understand that there have been only 17 people in 50 years who have won all four, and only 6 of them were actors, yes?
Or am I totally missing hyperbole here?
As someone writing a fantasy romance that's a borderline fairytale, I wanted my story to have a realistic view on what love is, while also maintaining the classic fairytale charm. So, it's so nice getting to watch and gather research from an actual licensed therapist on the interworkings of how love truly works.
Alan, my only argument against "love at first sight" is this: I've known my wife since we were little kids, like 4 years old.
But, when I graduated high school, I moved away and didn't see her again for almost 10 years. We reconnected an event where it was kinda like out of a movie. She entered the room, I saw her for the first time since we were teenagers, and saw that she had grown into this beautiful woman now standing in front of me, and in my head I literally had this "Wow" moment, and thought to myself "I have to ask her out, right now"
Granted, I waited a week to actually ask, had to find out if she was single, get her number, etc, but now 12 years later we are going on 11 years married. So, if that isn't "love at first sight" I think it's the closest real world comparison.
Love and infatuation aren't the same thing though. Plus, you already knew her
You know, this is nice.
Very cute story, and I love this for you guys. But it's still not love at first sight. You knew her very well already, and you had a strong friendship over many years. Then you didn't see each other for a while, but I'm guessing you still kept in touch? Maybe not. But either way, you knew that if you did see each other again, that friendship would still be there. And it was. It just got paired with the added bonus of physical attraction. The best and most lasting relationships are built on friendship.
Honestly I just feel that these two have true love's bromance here.
We really do 😂
This film is hilarious with the way it pokes fun at Disney tropes, but it’s also charming and enjoyable to watch. Also, Amy Adams is such the perfect embodiment of a Disney princess people believe you can't meet Giselle at the Disney parks because there's no way Disney can pay Amy Adams to walk around the parks all day every day.
I remember reading something a few years back when the movie came out. That the only reason she isn't an official Dysney princess is because she was the first RL princess n Disney didn't want kids to get confused by the different appearance, cz it would break the illusion. Like animated movie princesses (full time animated) in RL could look different cz they're cartoons brought to RL is is expected they look different then in the movie.
Edit: Is similar to how Disney didn't let the OG SnowWhite voice actress do anyother ttpe of work. Cz her voice is so uniquie they didn't want it to be associated with anything that wasn't Snow White, what's sad is she only got credited I think after the 10yr anniversary of the movie, I think I can't rmbr right now if she did or not.
@@locabsgg94 i can believe that, but i wonder how that explanation accounts for the real people playing princesses at their theme parks...
@@locabsgg94 It was mostly because they'll have to pay Amy Adams royalties FOR LIFE for using her face & voice in doll lines and anything "Disney Princesses" line
What @@MikaMoonlight said. They did little bit of park promo right after the release in 2008, including a Giselle face character in a horse-drawn carriage, but I think it only lasted a month or two.
@@locabsgg94 in my honest opinion, then Disney really fucking it up themselves with all the live action reboots of all their classics. Children who has only seen the live action ones who become very disappointed when comming to the Disney theme parks to meet their favorite Disney Princesses. They are not going to meet Emma Watson as Belle, or the other actrisses.
James Marsden did deserve a comedy Oscar, well said! Also I remember watching the dynamic between Alonso and Cruella in the live action 101 Dalmatians as a kid and my friend suspected that Alonso had a crush on Cruella and that’s why he put up with her meanwhile my theory was he really needed the money 😂. Having seen the relationship between Nathaniel and Narcissa, I realize my friend was probably right haha.
I was so confused watching this as a child with the mix of fantasy and real world but it became one of my favorite movie
The more I watch it, the better the message it gets
Well that makes me feel old-I was a senior in high school when this movie came out. 😂
@@kristenhanisch8508 my sisters were probably around that too and it was nice watching this with them
@@kristenhanisch8508I was 4 😭
I will say the one thing that I love the most about the movie is the fact that Robert says he doesn't sing or dance when Giselle is singing How Does She Know. Because she says that he will sing and dance with her when he does love her. And in the end at the ball, when the party is asked to dance with someone you didn't go to the party with, Robert not only dances with Giselle - but he sings along to the song just loud enough for her to hear.
Kinda was hoping someone would point that out in this, but still loved watching this!
I've loved this movie since it first came out, and somehow I never caught that Robert sings! The fact that Robert and Giselle both took in parts of each other's world, instead of just Giselle adapting to Robert's, is giving me more emotions than I was expecting to have from this video
Not Jono giving vocal accuracy we didn't know we needed!🤩
I remember when I went to see this movie and when the cockroaches came out of the bath drain, EVERYONE audibly grimaced. It was great.
I remember being a freshman in high school, and we were reading Romeo and Juliet and we were asked if we believed love at first sight. I was the only one who said no. I said that I believe in attraction at first sight. I only believed in love at first sight when I became a mom, when I gave birth to my kids the overflow of love always made me cry. ❤
oh wow... so there is a love at first sight huh? That is so precious and beautiful
That's so sweet! But, I would venture that you had spent the months leading up to their birth preparing to love them and loving them through nurturing them in your womb. : )
@@hannahnewell305 indeed but even with all of that nothing prepared me for just hit of so many emotions. Mainly happiness and love. I was shocked just how immediate it felt ❤️
@@hannahnewell305 Hormones.
I absolutely love the line _"What are you, crazy? They're _*_birds,_*_ they don't know where she lives."_ Like, yes, of all the unbelievable aspects of what's happening in this moment, let's fixate on the birds she summoned purely with song to do flower delivery for a woman she only met for 2 minutes not getting an address before flying off. XD It's just so perfectly ridiculous.
Shout-out once again to Sophie being effortlessly funny, even behind the camera.
There's an ancient custom in the US just like the fake thing you said about Scotland! It's called being a landlord. It's exactly as legitimate as the "Laird/Lady" thing, because it's just a descriptor, not a legal title. Also the industry of souvenir plots is shady as heck. It's already a novelty certificate, but somehow they've managed to be needlessly dishonest about it.
Wanted to make sure some one else commented before I did
Points to the animation team for making the animated characters look exactly like the real thing
One of the best parts is when Robert says "we don't talk about it" and then when Giselle apologizes for making him uncomfortable with the topic he changes his phrasing to "I don't talk about...with Morgan". So he reframed to it being something that's difficult for HIM to talk about.
This episode of Cinema Therapy is a dream come true. They’ve basically encompassed everything I loved about this film: highlighting the incredible performances of Adams and Marsden, appreciation for that key set piece in Central Park, breaking down the contrasting themes of love at a grounded and fairytale POV - Enchanted is such an underrated classic. I’m so glad I grew up watching the Disney classics to appreciate every bit of this movie and it became a worthwhile story of its own, one that people in real life can take a page from.
To your point about Giselle’s highly simplistic understanding of relationships, I honestly think that most girls growing up in fundamentalist religious traditions have the same problem. I know that for me certainly, purity culture really set me up to believe that having serial relationships, even non-sexual serial relationships was morally wrong. Even the idea of dating more than one person was incomprehensible. I was only supposed to court the person my parents approved up, and then marry them. There was no concept of figuring out who you wanted to marry through dating, or even who you wanted to be outside of your role as a wife and mother. I remember in one of our purity talks as passing around a rose, and every person would pluck a petal off so that by the time it made its way around the room, there were no petals left, and that was supposed to be us in serial relationships. My husband got the same sort of talk, but for him they told him to imaging that a girl was like a piece of gum. My challenge now will be teaching my children how to have a healthy relationship with dating, which I have no idea how to do!
Thank you for pointing this out. I had a similar religious upbringing. Taught to 'save myself' for 'the one sent by God to be your life partner'. But reality was completely disappointing. If I knew then what I know now, I would have made completely different choices. I would have completely taken religion out of the equation and lived my life as I happy human being.
Purity is a good thing, and preserving as much of it as possible is right. But one thing a lot of people miss is that even though you shouldn't have sex before marrying, you can date without having sex. Dating is supposed to be the stage of getting to know the person and find out if you're compatible, and by definition is non-committal.
@@RoninCatholicExactly this! I saved myself for my husband and our wedding night was really special and it meant a lot to him that I had done so. But it didn't mean that I just sat around waiting for my prince charming! My religious upbringing included a lot of pondering the kind of man I wanted to marry, and in turn the kind of girl I needed to become, as well as getting to know a lot of guys so I could figure out who fit that image as well as practice social skills. I didn't personally date all that much just because for whatever reason I was not the kind of girl a lot of guys wanted to date, so I always had to initiate and it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to get repeat dates except for two men, one of whom I am now married to. But I went to a LOT of dances and single activities, even forced myself sometimes because I was very shy. Social interaction before marriage is very important.
@@kristenhanisch8508 I've been trying for about 16 years now to even get a girl to go on a first date with me. Hasn't happened yet but I'm not going to give up just because it's proven difficult.
I think continuing to watch this channel will help. If your kids are old enough, perhaps you could even watch movies and the cinema therapy analysis with them, followed by discussion after.
Okay, first of all, WE STAN DISNEY PRINCESS JONATHAN. 🤩 Second of all, when I was still in my abusive marriage, the lyric, "Everybody wants to live happily ever after," used to make me cry and I didn't really know why. I knew even then that "happily ever after" in the real world was complex and doesn't mean "happy every minute all the time". But I was making so many excuses for my abusive spouse and deep down I knew something was very, very wrong. And what I finally realized was that me saying "happily every after takes work," in this case, really translated to "I'm unhappy and that's just what life is like," and it doesn't have to be. I love this movie.
I'm glad you managed to recognize it was abusive and were able to get out. I hope your life has gotten better since.
I really appreciate you bringing that up. I can definitely see opportunities for someone like Giselle being abused by someone positioning themselves as a princely savior type. I love that the moment Giselle is humanized in Robert's eyes is when she starts to get angry, because abusers HATE when their victims get angry or say no. And I love that Robert is the one to turn down Giselle's kiss at first because of the potential of betraying someone's trust. I saw in their James Bond video, Jono said "seduction is about persuasion ('you're gonna hafta try harder'), coercion is about getting someone to do something they don't want to do." With someone younger, they might be attracted to someone older but the older person should do what Robert does and think things through. Because in an abusers eyes, it's a case of "Isn't this what you've wanted since you were old enough to want?" With abuse, there is no place for 'want' because your agency and right to experiment has been taken away. That's why for predators, the victim can just be "the seductive party animal" and people will fill in the blanks. This movie was very healing for me since my abuse made me go from optimistic like Gisele to cynical like Robert. It's nice to watch Cinema Therapy and see what love, connection, trust, and respect look like. And its nice to see someone like Robert start to heal rather than become a Rick Sanchez or Bojack Horseman type.
@@briannagravely9349 Those are REALLY good points. It probably won’t surprise you that I was only 19 when I got involved with my abuser, or that he was 7 years older than me. There were SO many red flags, but I didn’t have the tools to recognize them yet.
The woman in the beginning was Jodie Benson, the voice of Ariel in The Little Mermaid. Considering Ariel fell in love at first sight, I think there's an irony to her in particular telling him it's a bad idea to take things slow and get to know his partner better. I just thought that was a fun jab at anyone who knew who she was.
Edit: grammar, on mobile
I think Jodi's character is saying that you can't approach a romantic relationship without romance. Like Jonathan said, Robert was over-correcting and strangled any joy or spontaneity out of his relationship with Nancy. Jodi's just urging him towards *feeling*, rather than just *thinking*.
And Belle's voice shows up too. Paige O'Hara is one of the soap opera characters that Prince Edward watches in his motel room.
I thought she looked familiar, I just can’t believe I missed that and I watched that movie so many times. Love Jodi!
@@adrianghandtchi1562 can we also talk about how she works next to a fish tank in Enchanted?
Such an underrated movie! I love it james Marsden is wonderful in this movie and the entire cast nailed their performances.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's seen the similarities between Elf and Enchanted! 😄
Well you can have that crossover if you want, but me personally I want them to be completely separate movies.
@@leahtheanimationfan40 well neither do I.
Last night, after my boyfriend and me watched Disenchanted, he said, "Do you think Internet Dads will be covering Enchanted soon?" So I sent this to him right when I saw it in my notifications ❤️ We both really enjoy this movie, so thank you for covering this! ❤️
Internet dads... ❤️✨️
Fun fact! Robert's secretary (the lady taking digs about Robert and Nancy getting engaged) is played by Jodi Benson, the voice and animation model for Ariel! Also, while Giselle is in Robert's workplace and is looking at the aquarium, 'Part of Your World' is playing in the background.
Paige O'Hara (Belle) also shows up as a cast member on a drama/soap while Edward is watching television in the motel AND Judy Kuhn (Pocahontas) shows up as one of Robert's neighbours.
wait thats so fun i love that
I was surprised they didn’t point these out. I thought Jodi Benson as Ariel was pretty well known at least
Love is being as mad as you can be at a person and never stop loving them. Unconditional and ever evolving. This is what I've learned after 15 years with the same person.
The other day I just watched a very thorough video about how Established Titles is basically a complete scam, so seeing them plugged by you guys gave me serious whiplash😨
That aside this one was great! I always look forward to your videos, they are always fun and insightful. I love Enchanted, this movie made me fall in love with Amy Adams and I'm actually looking forward to this sequel. 💘🤞
Enchanted was one of the smartest movies from Disney in the recent years. I wish more films were like this.
What I love is that they actually hint that Nancy want's romance and spontaneity a few times in the movie, so it sort of makes sense that she ends up with Edward 🤩
I got gay-married at Wagner Cove, Central Park, and the number of random people clapping, cheering, waving, yelling mazel tovs, etc, made me feel like we were in a movie. The marriage ended, but the memories are forever. This movie is a great cinematic love letter to NYC
7:01 That woman is Jodi Benson, the voice of Ariel from The Little Mermaid. Also, Paige O'Hara the voice of Belle from Beauty and the Beast has a cameo in the soap opera that Prince Edward in it. So, with Idina Menzel, that makes two past Disney princesses and one future Disney princess in this movie.
I’m so happy to see somebody else appreciate James Marsden in this movie. He was born to play this role! He is SO good!!!! His big toothpaste smile, his perfect good looks, and the way he plays a selfabsorbed nitwit 😂.
I cannot express how much I love the dance scene in Enchanted. The acting, the music/vocals, the lyrics (so close yet so far) , the staging and the costume design (Giselle wearing a modern dress in a fairytale setting showing her arc & Robert wearing a blue Prince outfit which is a callback to the outfit that the prince Giselle built was wearing, implying that Edward was not the Prince from her dream but Robert) was all just 😘👌🏻*chef's kiss imo.
To add to this, something I just noticed thanks to your comment, the scene where she gets angry and realizes she's starting to have feelings for him, he's wearing a dark blue bath robe. Foreshadowing??
@@AndiRuby-vd1vr ooo, maybe maybe
Dang, this is deep
And he singing for her while dancing before the instrumental when he said before that he doesn't dance or sing!!!!!!
A new favorite episode! So Amy Adams has acted "as a Muppet" (Enchanted) and acted with the Muppets (The Muppets- 2011). 😃 Looking forward to The Muppet Christmas Carol episode! Also want to see Giselle and Buddy the Elf crossover!
My husband claims he knew I was someone special the first moment he laid eyes on me at uni, but I read that as him knowing what type of woman he was looking for and I had a bunch of visual cues that said I fit that type. For my part, my thoughts on him were, "he looks like a non-traditional student that just had a bad breakup." We've gotten over it.
James Marsden makes everything better in every movie he's ever been in (except arguably X-men, but I blame the writers for botching Cyclops, not him). His commits 110% to every role.
As far as I'm concerned this is the only true representation of James Marsden not getting the original girl - where he doesn't stay single for 24 hours.
Hopefully he wasn’t too badly injured in the cycling incident.
@@Justanotherconsumer I remember seeing the scene that showed he fell into a landing mat.
Then again, Scott isn't really that strong of a character to begin with. It does take some effort to make him shine in any medium.
@@juliahenriques210 To each their own. I liked him in the 90s cartoon.
3:12 - all I could think was Anna yelling at Kristoff, “It’s true love!”
“Audrey watched this as a manual, not as a fantasy.” 😂😂😂 that is so adorable!
“Aaah aaah aaahahahah.”
What the f-?
Lisa’s popcorn!
😂😂😂
i would love it if you guys did a therapy episode on gravity falls and family! there's TONS of moments of stan and the kids bonding, as well as stan's own troubles with his brother, stan's brother pulling dipper away from mabel, the psychology of dipper's "summer ends" and mabel's "just a little more summer", and stan sacrificing everything FOR his family. it would be super cool to see a longer episode that dives into that show!
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree! In addition, I would love to see a Villain Therapy on Bill Cipher/Gideon Gleeful
@@winstonschenck3749 yesssss gideon especially with his redemption
Attraction at first sight, sure, totally possible to find someone attractive at a glance, discover chemistry with someone in a first conversation, hit it off with someone straight away. But true love is something that grows over time, through meaningful interaction between people. And true love isn't just limited to romance either. Best friends are a kind of true love in my honest opinion. You can have so many different kinds of relationships with other people, the important thing is connecting with each other.
Thank you. When I tell people how much I love my friends, the usual answer is "you're in love". Yes but no. I don't want to date them, they're just as important as my boyfriend, in a different way.
I agree with you 100%. I think close friendships can be just as important as romantic relationships, just different kind. And both take time to develop, I would even argue that most couples aren't in love when they start dating (they might love each other but not 'be in love' imo) but that develops overtime to many. Of course exceptions exists but in general I believe this to be the case and usually when people say their love was "love at first sight" they mean they were attracted/infatuated by each other from the start
"Oh Giselle! We shall be married in the morning!"
I adore that line. So corny, so shady, SO GOOD!!!!
Two other things I love about this movie:
- Nathaniel has a happy ending and isn't portrayed as just evil, because having been manipulated so much he's seen as a victim too. Loved this gray portrayal.
- After 5 years of relationship when Nancy "catches" Robert with Giselle she doesn't bring Morgan to school to have their "big girls time together". Treating it as if it was a favour to Robert. One would think that after 5 years she'd have a separate relationship with Morgan than the one she has with Audrey.
And then there's Giselle who loves Morgan from day one, and everything she does for her is because she genuinely has an interest in her and having a relationship with her. I still love Nancy's character but I think Robert started loving Giselle after he saw how she behaved with his daughter.
I feel Robert has deliberately kept Nancy and Morgan apart for fear of having another mother abandon her.
The whole point of taking her to school was to get to know her. This would indicate they don't know each other or have met very few times.
Robert wanted to be sure before introducing her. But 5 years? Like 2 years in of steady dating he could have introduced her.
@@kittikats Another thing, Morgan is supposed to be six. Robert has supposedly known and/or been dating Nancy since she (Morgan) WAS A BABY. There is no reason they shouldn’t have known each other far better. That, more than anything, shows how that relationship wasn’t going to work out. Whether it was Robert or Nancy, keeping such an important part of the relationship on the back burner is a big problem.
after repeated watching I realized that the point is that Robert never let Morgan and Nancy build a relationship until he's ready to propose. For Morgan, Nancy is just a reasonably nice lady who her dad spends time with when she's not around. From her point of view, Nancy isn't really a romantic partner of Roberts. Robert unknowingly built a wall around himself AND Morgan which prevents Morgan from forming bonds with Nancy. I mean, after five years? Morgan should be bonded to Nancy by now. Clearly Robert prevented that. So him telling Morgan he was going to propose to Nancy would naturally be a big surprise to her. Nancy is just some ever-present shadowy figure she barely knows.
My favorite thing is the receptionist he’s talking to about marrying Nancy is the voice actress for Ariel from the little mermaid!
Would you guys please therapize My Best Friend's Wedding (1997) with Julia Roberts, Cameron Diaz, Dermot Mulroney, & Rupert Everett? This movie is always so cathartic...like love wins & loses at the same time 😢💔💜💗💖
Robert's secretary is Jodi Benson, voice of the original Little Mermaid, making her criticism of Robert's pragmatic approach to romance that much funnier