Best space battle ever, and that with just 2.5 ships. It's fun to watch those massive Star Wars battles, but esp. lately they just go for masses of ships against each other, here there are actual tactics etc. that bring the tension.
We can argue about season 2 Toth station battle, this one and battle in season 5 (let's not spoil). My favorite is season 5 battle - but main thing all the battles are from The Expanse...
Remember on Ganymede when Prax was talking to a friend of his named “Basia”? He (Basia) told Prax, Holden, and crew to see Roma, the canned chicken guy, for information on what happened to Mei. Basil’s son is Katoa, the boy who shows Mei his glowing blue arm.
"You know we've had a whole other Testament since then, right?" Let's take a moment to appreciate the irony that Crisjen, of whom we approve, is just as guilty of persecution of the children of Mao (the whole "rain Hellfire down on them all" speech from s2) as are Errinwright and Esteban, of whom we do not. Holden's fears are ungrounded. Yes, they crippled a UNN gunship. But they did so in a legitimately salvaged Martian frigate, during a declared war between the UN and Mars. More than that, the UN ship got its butt kicked by a ship less than half its size. It's not a defeat the UNN captain is going to have an easy time acknowledging. He'll probably just put it down to "unspecified engine trouble" and sweep the specifics under the rug.
Highly disagree about Holden's fears being ungrounded. No military would ever just ignore an attack on one of their gunships, particularly when war has just been declared. That would be absurd. Whether the UNN captain wants to acknowledge anything or not is irrelevant to anything. We already know that the ships keep logs of engagements, not to mention the engines were blown off his ship. That's impossible to explain as "engine trouble." It's not like no one will notice that the engines are gone when they show up to rescue you, and then they'd have to repair the ship at which point a detailed inspection of the damage would obviously have to be done. The UNN command would have to have the combined IQ of a goldfish to believe it was some mechanical malfunction. They might not release what really happened publicly, but what they say publicly is also irrelevant to how they respond. That doesn't mean they wouldn't go after the Roci.
Agree about the moral turnabout the writers played on us between Avsarala and Anna. Interestingly, it was even the same action against the same people.But I disagree that the UNN is going to "oh, well" the fact that the Roci got the better of them. They're going to create tactical responses to that kind of maneuver in the future, and if they've got a reading of the Roci's engine signature, they'll be on lookout for it.
Okay, let's grant your premise. The ship limps back to the Busch Naval Shipyards in a sorry state, missing two engines and several missiles, its outer skin slightly radioactive from having drifted through a cluster of overlapping nuclear fireballs. The captain, pressed for details, can't answer "Oh, we were on a secret murder mission for undersecretary Errinwright," but he can say "We were ambushed." Who by? "Well, Martians, of course. They fought like devils." Which Martians? Did you get their names and comms addresses? "No, they didn't say. Shall I go back and inquire?" Holden fears that he and his crew have just made themselves public enemy number one, but nothing links back to specifically the Rocinante and her crew. All the gunship knew is they were fighting a Martian ship, and that only by its silhouette. Earth has already gone to war with Mars. Case closed.
@@kirkdarling4120 My understanding is that it's standard procedure to shut transponders down during combat. Certainly we don't know the name of the gunship. I doubt the Roci charged into battle broadcasting its own ID to the enemy. As far as drive signatures are concerned, Roci's drive wasn't lit while she was spinning and rolling to shoot down missiles. The only time Roci's drive was ever lit and facing the enemy, there were 6 nuclear fireballs between them, swamping their scanners. Moreover, this all started with Amos having already dirtied up their drive sig to make it look like that of a rockhopper, and Naomi suggesting tweaks to that camouflage to make it more fuel efficient. Even if the gunship did manage a snapshot of the active drive, it's been altered, so they'll be looking for a sig that won't exist anymore once the Roci crew cleans it up.
@@TheDetailsMatter What is going to happen is a debrief in minute detail. UNN fleet intelligence is not going to worry about why the ship was there or whose orders they were under. They're going to be concerned about the tactics used in the battle itself. UNN intelligence will go through all the automated records...all the logs of communications between personnel on the ship, all the sensor logs, all the camera logs. They're going to sit down with each officer who was on the command deck and go over the battle minute by minute from each person's perspective, and compare their accounts with the logs from each of their stations. They will get all the information they need to identify the Roci as a specific vessel...the US does that with Russian, Chinese, and other vessels right now. Every vessel will be "squawking" IFF in combat to prevent being targeted by its own side, and even though the IFF information is coded, the signature of the electronic "wrapper" will be discernible. Even though there may be many ships of a particular class, it's very often that each ship of the class varies from the others in some particular way. One might have an extra type of radar emitter, another may have an additional mast (or lack one of the usual masts) or have other visible structural differences. Each ship has an electromagnetic signature...the emissions of various active sensors. Often the electromagnetic signatures differ in discernible ways even though they are outfitted with ostensibly the same types of sensors. Some may have different generations of the same sensor that differ electromagnetically, some may have suffered damage that hasn't been perfectly returned to specification. So they will, whenever possible, distinguish individual vessels. They may even discover who captains the ships (particularly the capital ships). ELINT and SIGINT (Electronic and Signals Intelligence) as well as MASINT (Measurement and Signature Intelligence) are vital to the Navy. SIGINT has been mentioned a couple of times in The Expanse.
Slower paste - well, enjoy while you can... 😀 Book 2 finale (episodes 5 & 6 - watch them back to back please) is masterpiece, and condensed version of book 3 (episodes 7-13) is so intense, that this is another level. Believe me in advance - this is the best season of television.
Yeah IFF is a real thing, the military has been using systems like this for a long time. Another real thing would be the PDCs. On navy ships, they are called “CIWS” (Close In Weapons System) and they look a lot like what you see on the Rocinante except they have a big radar unit on top (and they don’t retract into the ship).
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Best space battle ever, and that with just 2.5 ships. It's fun to watch those massive Star Wars battles, but esp. lately they just go for masses of ships against each other, here there are actual tactics etc. that bring the tension.
We can argue about season 2 Toth station battle, this one and battle in season 5 (let's not spoil). My favorite is season 5 battle - but main thing all the battles are from The Expanse...
Remember on Ganymede when Prax was talking to a friend of his named “Basia”? He (Basia) told Prax, Holden, and crew to see Roma, the canned chicken guy, for information on what happened to Mei. Basil’s son is Katoa, the boy who shows Mei his glowing blue arm.
Things start to rock and roll from here to the end of season 3!
That's a nice microscope you have there. This show is just the best sci-fi series I have seen.
So I am not a religious person, but Anna is one of my favorite minor characters in both the Show and the Books.
I am a confirmed atheist, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe that faith can't drive people to do extraordinary things.
She is a religious leader but she does not force her religion on others.
"You know we've had a whole other Testament since then, right?" Let's take a moment to appreciate the irony that Crisjen, of whom we approve, is just as guilty of persecution of the children of Mao (the whole "rain Hellfire down on them all" speech from s2) as are Errinwright and Esteban, of whom we do not.
Holden's fears are ungrounded. Yes, they crippled a UNN gunship. But they did so in a legitimately salvaged Martian frigate, during a declared war between the UN and Mars. More than that, the UN ship got its butt kicked by a ship less than half its size. It's not a defeat the UNN captain is going to have an easy time acknowledging. He'll probably just put it down to "unspecified engine trouble" and sweep the specifics under the rug.
Highly disagree about Holden's fears being ungrounded. No military would ever just ignore an attack on one of their gunships, particularly when war has just been declared. That would be absurd. Whether the UNN captain wants to acknowledge anything or not is irrelevant to anything. We already know that the ships keep logs of engagements, not to mention the engines were blown off his ship. That's impossible to explain as "engine trouble." It's not like no one will notice that the engines are gone when they show up to rescue you, and then they'd have to repair the ship at which point a detailed inspection of the damage would obviously have to be done. The UNN command would have to have the combined IQ of a goldfish to believe it was some mechanical malfunction. They might not release what really happened publicly, but what they say publicly is also irrelevant to how they respond. That doesn't mean they wouldn't go after the Roci.
Agree about the moral turnabout the writers played on us between Avsarala and Anna. Interestingly, it was even the same action against the same people.But I disagree that the UNN is going to "oh, well" the fact that the Roci got the better of them. They're going to create tactical responses to that kind of maneuver in the future, and if they've got a reading of the Roci's engine signature, they'll be on lookout for it.
Okay, let's grant your premise. The ship limps back to the Busch Naval Shipyards in a sorry state, missing two engines and several missiles, its outer skin slightly radioactive from having drifted through a cluster of overlapping nuclear fireballs. The captain, pressed for details, can't answer "Oh, we were on a secret murder mission for undersecretary Errinwright," but he can say "We were ambushed." Who by? "Well, Martians, of course. They fought like devils." Which Martians? Did you get their names and comms addresses? "No, they didn't say. Shall I go back and inquire?"
Holden fears that he and his crew have just made themselves public enemy number one, but nothing links back to specifically the Rocinante and her crew. All the gunship knew is they were fighting a Martian ship, and that only by its silhouette. Earth has already gone to war with Mars. Case closed.
@@kirkdarling4120 My understanding is that it's standard procedure to shut transponders down during combat. Certainly we don't know the name of the gunship. I doubt the Roci charged into battle broadcasting its own ID to the enemy. As far as drive signatures are concerned, Roci's drive wasn't lit while she was spinning and rolling to shoot down missiles. The only time Roci's drive was ever lit and facing the enemy, there were 6 nuclear fireballs between them, swamping their scanners.
Moreover, this all started with Amos having already dirtied up their drive sig to make it look like that of a rockhopper, and Naomi suggesting tweaks to that camouflage to make it more fuel efficient. Even if the gunship did manage a snapshot of the active drive, it's been altered, so they'll be looking for a sig that won't exist anymore once the Roci crew cleans it up.
@@TheDetailsMatter What is going to happen is a debrief in minute detail. UNN fleet intelligence is not going to worry about why the ship was there or whose orders they were under. They're going to be concerned about the tactics used in the battle itself. UNN intelligence will go through all the automated records...all the logs of communications between personnel on the ship, all the sensor logs, all the camera logs. They're going to sit down with each officer who was on the command deck and go over the battle minute by minute from each person's perspective, and compare their accounts with the logs from each of their stations.
They will get all the information they need to identify the Roci as a specific vessel...the US does that with Russian, Chinese, and other vessels right now. Every vessel will be "squawking" IFF in combat to prevent being targeted by its own side, and even though the IFF information is coded, the signature of the electronic "wrapper" will be discernible. Even though there may be many ships of a particular class, it's very often that each ship of the class varies from the others in some particular way. One might have an extra type of radar emitter, another may have an additional mast (or lack one of the usual masts) or have other visible structural differences. Each ship has an electromagnetic signature...the emissions of various active sensors. Often the electromagnetic signatures differ in discernible ways even though they are outfitted with ostensibly the same types of sensors. Some may have different generations of the same sensor that differ electromagnetically, some may have suffered damage that hasn't been perfectly returned to specification. So they will, whenever possible, distinguish individual vessels. They may even discover who captains the ships (particularly the capital ships). ELINT and SIGINT (Electronic and Signals Intelligence) as well as MASINT (Measurement and Signature Intelligence) are vital to the Navy. SIGINT has been mentioned a couple of times in The Expanse.
LOVE your hair!! So cute!!😍❤💕😘
Slower paste - well, enjoy while you can... 😀
Book 2 finale (episodes 5 & 6 - watch them back to back please) is masterpiece, and condensed version of book 3 (episodes 7-13) is so intense, that this is another level.
Believe me in advance - this is the best season of television.
Great reaction! Try to pay special attention to Amos and Prax and their interactions!
IFF is identify friend or foe.
An electronic system on planes/spaceships that transmits I belong to team X.
Or is it "identified"?
Yeah IFF is a real thing, the military has been using systems like this for a long time. Another real thing would be the PDCs. On navy ships, they are called “CIWS” (Close In Weapons System) and they look a lot like what you see on the Rocinante except they have a big radar unit on top (and they don’t retract into the ship).