The one board I'd recommend in the $180 - $200 price range is the B650 Steel Legend Wifi from ASRock. It's basically an upgraded version of the B650E version that came out before it. It even has a PCIe gen 5 x16 slot and a Gen 5 M.2 slot. Not that I care for those at the moment but I'll gladly take it when the Tomahawk or the Aorus Elite AX don't have anything else that stands out in this price range. Plus the board is white, which is always nice for aesthetics.
Asus B650E-F Gaming has been the foundation of my rig for 18 months now. There are lots of good boards out there, just letting buyers know the E-F Gaming is a real solid one in the bunch.
My 550-F is chugging along nicely as well so I'm very likely to get another -F to go with my 9800X3D when the time is right. Had problems with every MSI product I've ever owned no matter the category so I'm staying far away from them
Haha. I think I should have shown the pricing when talking about this. The cheapest B650E is $189, and the next one up is $239. Meanwhile I'll be shocked if B840 is better priced than the cheapest B650 boards, so there's essentially no price savings for sticking with PCIE Gen 3, which will be eclipsed in future years.
I built my current PC in 2015 when I was in high school. Still rocking my r9 390 to this day. I am in need of an upgrade but researching all the parts and tech and options is so overwhelming. Your videos are by far the most helpful! I have a 1440 build planned out I am going to buy soon!
Its a lot to come back to I know! I actually started the channel after coming back to building after a break and wishing there was a channel to catch me up. Glad we can help and best wishes on the build!
Best board so far. Very good lanes supply and upgradabilty with PCIe 5.0. On the paper Gigabyte does it better, but in real world so many folks are angry over the boards.
Thank you very much for covering this. I was looking into upgrading and I wanted to find some good quality boards with lots of connectivity options (Some boards are ridiculously expensive but only have 7 or 8 USB slots, wth...) This helped out nicely.
I'm still waiting on a good reason to switch from AM4 to AM5. I am still on 5800X and am still pulling good value after all that time. I am going to have to upgrade soon, but I want to see how long and how many generations I can skip. I have good arguments in this video. Good Video!
@@Eric-zy7fm I would go for asrock or msi , I have a VGA light on sometimes for no reason with b550 rog strix , Inithing is affected but it is annoying
Looking ahead, as I put my 13700K machine into stasis, I bought a B650E Taichi Lite during Prime Days, but from Newegg. (My second choice would have been the PG Riptide, also a B650E board.) I don't know which CPU I'll install yet, not even if it will be a Zen4 or Zen5. Testing and pricing will determine that. Meantime, I'm running my backup 5700X machine.
@22:12 Finally something I own makes your list this is the happiest I’ve been watching your videos 😀 I have NZXT N7 B650E in black as I hate white builds . My Lian Li LANCOOL III Midi Tower Noir didn’t make your video but now I’m happy
So, I ended up going with an MSI MEG ACE X670E. There were a couple reasons why I chose that, but the biggest was that it had a 10Gbe network adapter onboard. There were other features that I liked, but the ability to have 10Gbe onboard instead of needing a card was a big one. The M.2 layout was also solid and I liked the cooling solution a great deal. I didn't see enough value to go to a "Godlike" at $500 more to just get an LCD readout screen, basically.
Thank you, Jason. 👍🏼 I've decided to use the Lancool 216 X I was telling you about to house an *all AMD Linux machine.* That way I can take out *three* birds (turkeys, all of 'em 🦃😝) with ONE stone: Intel, NVIDIA, and Microsoft. *Must Haves:* - BIOS flashback feature - Onboard WiFi - Built-in I/O shield - Three x4 M.2 connectors - Decent audio chipset - Thunderbolt 4 connectivity - USB 3.2 gen 2x2 (20Gbps) Type-C connectivity *Nice to Haves:* - Seven segment debug display - Onboard On/Off / Reset / Clear CMOS - 2.5 Gig LAN - 'Stealthy' aesthetic (not _too_ much RGB bling) I'm really liking ASRock's B650E Taichi Lite 🤗
I have learned a tremendous amount of knowledge on building since I subbed to your channel. I was trying to decide AM4 or 5 and this video just made up my mind so thank you Jason. Remember what I said about economy going south? INTC just announced they are laying off 15% of workforce, others will follow. It means that it's a good time to build because there will be some sweet deals coming.
@@bretthake7713 Honestly I think it was a pricing error on Amazon or something because I looked at the price a week after I bought it and it went up to like $170. So, lucky me, I guess.
I have more than a month combo deal from Microcenter 7800x3d, ddr5 and with motherboard Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX V2, running perfect really,,,,but if this was not a combo deal, i would buy it B650E Taichi Lite with no hesitation!
Was starting to feel left out but when I got to the end of the video, the very last recommendation was my own motherboard, Asus Tuf x670e, bought it in January 2022, nice recommendation :-) I agree completely!! Since it was bought right at the introduction of AM5, I selected the most affordable and highly expandable board with PCIe5 GPU and M2 pcie5 slots, plus many extra M2 pcie4 and one M2 pcie3 slots, hoping to get 5 years and several CPU choices and/or upgrades out of one motherboard :-) To populate the board, started with a 7700x (fastest gaming cpu at the time), superflower 1000w power supply (platinum), and 7900xtx (founder's edition), and ddr5-6000 corsair ram
I just swapped my 14900k for a 7950X3D but I might swap it again for the 9950X when it comes out. But thanks for this video. I myself went with the MSI MAG Toma hawk since it's what I also had on the intel side
im upgrading to AMD from intel 9th gen... this helped out. i currently have maximus hero xi but im scared to go with asus now i just want reliable motherboard hopefully LED error code indicator . i dont want msi so im stuck with eiterh asrock or asus. ill wait few days after launch to decide on my final pick though.
I have the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX which I snagged on sale for $159 a few months ago. I think it's a great value at this price, with its normal $179 price being a bit much. I feel like I could probably surf this board to the end of AM5's life cycle.
Jason, thanks for the video! As a side rant directed toward motherboard manufacturers, it bugs me that the optical audio port just isn't there for so many of the AM5 boards I've looked at. I use the optical port in my ROG Strix B550-A Gaming motherboard, so when I eventually upgrade my PC to AM5, it is a must-have feature for me.
Good advice - started building PCs for me and friends way back in the 80's and still building a few per year, but was not up to date on motherboards. This video helped. Would have liked to see mATX boards in more than budget category. Was thinking a MSI MAG B650M Mortar Wifi, but will look into your recommendation.
Honestly after having the 12 core 5900X, I've come to see that it felt like overkill at first. But now after having that extra head room I would never go below an 8 core 16T. it's nice to be able to do multiple things.. Watching vid's while editing other vid's or playing games and streaming. That 9900X looks appealing depends on the price though..
If you're looking for the high-end boards, might keep an eye out for X870E Nova in the future. The Z790 variant has proven to be one of the most feature packed, budget high end board out there. Based on the preview last computex, and that also seems the case for the AMD variant, assuming the price are going to be similar to the Z790 release.
I have the strix b650e-f. At first I was irritated by the asus price tag but it's rly great. Imo it performs better than the description says. I'm very happy with it! Not to mention asus hands down has the best software across the manufacturers. It's not even close
Man, the options of all these tasty deals are making me so happy. I think it's about time that I should start buying 1 part at a time every 2 weeks to extend the journey 😊. I get paid bi-weekly anyway 😅 I already got my white Corsair crystal 280x case and 2 4tb ssd sata 3 hard drives. Just need everything else. I've been waiting patiently for this video for about 6 months. Like a cat waiting for... to pounce on a mouse? Sorry, i don't own cats, but I've been waiting 😂. Im still deciding to either make a pure white build with purple leds or black and white build with an aqua blue led set-up.
i got the Asrock B650E Taichi lite a few months ago to pair with a 7800x3d and radeon 6950XT and couldn't be happier. the motherboard verry well could last me the entirety of the AM5 platform existence. my 1 complaint is i wish the PCIe release levers were a bit larger or relocated like on some other high end boards.
Yeah it’s the most underrated motherboard in the whole B650E sector. It all all the features of a $700 motherboard on a $240 motherboard. I wish it could be a standard in mid tier motherboard such as the POST display. But yeah $240 go for it
My PC is finally built! And it runs my games at 4k 60+ with no problems. I mainly play War Thunder, Star Trek Online, and American Truck Simulator. I am getting into DCS World after I get a decent HOTAS, and VR headset. I went with Budget parts that’ll be used as backups after I save for the parts I really want. Went with an i3 12100f, H610 DDR5 motherboard, and an MSI Ventus X2 RTX 3050 8GB. Everything works fine, with the exception of the intake fan that came with the case, so I have the exhaust fan on a manual curve as compensation. Planning on replacing the 2 fans that came with my Corsair 4000D Airflow in white with 2 140mm and 1 120mm Noctua Case fans.
I have an Asus X670E Crosshair Extreme worst purchase of my life. The stablity issues are still ongoing even after RMA to Asus. My 7950X3D was even replaced by AMD
Might be lower, might ne higher . But what I've found in France. ASROCK B650 PG Lightning WiFi. - ±190€ - ±71°C for VRM after Cinebench stress tesr with a 7950X - Wifi 6E ; Bluetooth 5.3 - 3 Nvme slot (1 in Gen 5, you might not buy a gen 5 Nvme, but the option is there) - A lot of USB port. - A lot of USB port in 3.1 (and 3.2 gen, because having only some goofy 2.0 USB port is sad in 2024) - 17 phases for VRM (14+2+1) - support 7200MT/s for dual channel - The PCB is on 8 layer (better signal) with a additional non-scratch layer (low risk to accidentally damaged it) - 2,5 Gb/s Ethernet (that's 312,5 MB/s) - BIOS flash button, and Flashback. Lemme know how much it cost in US
Just the video i was looking for. Looking to upgrade sometime between this year and next year. Was going to go intel but with the recent issues im going to team red.
If you can get the MSI X670E Gaming Plus -WiFi on sale (I got mine for not much more than the B650 version) it's a great motherboard. Only caution is when you're using larger GPUs that take up 4 of the little removable panels on the back, you'll be losing access to all but one of the PCIe slots. It does have gen 5 M.2 and three gen 4.0x4 M.2 slots, so that goes make up for it for my uses. I train AI checkpoints and LoRA/LyCORIS files for Stable Diffusion, so I need as much storage as I can get (that's in addition to a drive for my games. At the price I paid (about $220 I think) it's worth every penny.
Great video I think for my first PC I’ll be doing for the ryzen 7800X3D and most of the parts except the Ram are from MSI and cooler master big among them the MPG X870 carbon wifi since I’ll be editing and gaming I will most likely use all the slots but also that board is one of the best looking I’ve ever seen
X670e crosshair hero and love it! Waiting to see what 9000x3d chips have to offer??? May jump from the 4080S OC after I see what 5090 has to offer. if it’s a mess then 4090 OC.
I have a MSI x670e carbon WiFi. I'm hoping that if I do upgrade from my 7800x3d in the future this mobo will still get the most out of the cpu. Hopefully bios updates will allow it to keep up.
Another one that looks REALLY nice but premium priced (~$450) is the Asus ProArt X670E one, it has an insane feature set and even supports ECC memory, and doesn't look to be missing anything the gaming boards have for tweaking. If I was going to go all out, this might be my choice. For mini-ITX on a budget, the Asrock A620 ITX board is $140 on Amazon and has eight 60A power stages (more than enough for the 9900x and below 9000s and all 7000X3Ds) and has memory OC'ing. Nice to see my Asus B650E-F in the picks. When I bought mine, it was the cheapest way to get PCIE5 M.2 and GPU slots at around $250, no one else had anything really close and the Asrock boards weren't looking too good at the outset (remember the sticker residue fiasco?) Now you can get the MSI X670E Tomahawk for about the same price as the B650E-F, making the Asus look less attractive if I was buying today.
Very nice timing on a video like this, I'm sure a lot of people were looking for this information! :) Thoughts on the Asus TUF B650M-Plus Gaming ? I found one in my country (B Grade / refurbished / returned) for 129€
Just to put in perspective. For Gen 4 Nvme (That's around 7 000 MB/s) 1 TB is around 90-100€ 2 TB is around 145€ 4 TB is around 230-250€. So by definition. If you can find from a *known brand* a 4 TB Nvme 7 400MB/s (that's slightly faster than the Samsung 990 Pro) for 230€. You're good. Knowing US. You might found again lower price than me in Europe. Cheaper without being sus I've found was Lexar 4TB Nvme for 230€. 7400MB/s read, 7000 write.
Hey Jason, awesome video, as always :)! The Gigabyte all white B650E Aorus Stealth Ice is available in Germany, the listings starting at around 305 Euro and the board is on stock.
So the USB-slots speed does not matter for mouse & keyboard and that stuff? I feel like i want as fast response as possible from those for competitive games atleast. Are you sure that bigger USB-speed is absolutely no difference? So there is a cap in how fast a mouse can respond and it does not change from bigger USB-speed?
Once again, the ASRock B650 LiveMixer is nowhere to be found in this review of boards. It’s like the board is the red-headed stepchild that no one wants to acknowledge.👎
The live mixer boards are pretty good, especially for content creation, but I understand why they're hard to recommend. I personally think the funky design is pretty cool but most probably disagree :/
Yeah B650 LiveMixer is another underrated board with awesome VRMS, lots of usb, and funy design. At $150 it is A step up form Asrock Pro RS. But both are good
*Hi PC Builder, Is the "Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX Gaming Motherboard" any good because I'm really considering on getting this one but I haven't fully decided yet. Thank you.*
Been eyeing the X670E Taichi Carrara and going with the 7800X3D. But hot damn, nice timing with the video update. Doing the routine wait and see approach with the 9000s series, AMD has a once and a lifetime to take Intel's lunch with their current fumble with the 13th and 14th gen. Can't wait to see performance.
I have a b650e Aorus master and I have two 5.0 nvme (actually 4 but if I use 2 of them then they turn pcie x16 to x8) and a pcie 5.0 on my mobo but I will still probably get a x870e just for usb 4.0 and wifi 7. Do I need a new mobo NO but I'm an enthusiast so I like building a new PC every couple years
I am surprised you made no mention of either B650 PG Riptide and B650 Steel Legend. both of which run over the competition of any MOBO from 150-220 price range only beaten by B650 Taichi lite, the vrm and PCI5 lanes alone for that price makes other boards feel like rip offs
PCIE gen may not matter for me but USB4 does, being user a of Mac, I value high speed interfaces like thunderbolt and USB4 is a good alternative. I'm not that much of a gamer (play video games once in a blue moon) but I need a good system that has good connectivity, silent operation, and provide me sufficient power for development and content creation using Blender. Davinci Resolve, Android Studio etc. Some of the files are in 10's of gigabytes. So unfortunately I have to spend money on getting an X870E based build.
Every computer I’ve ever built has had a ASUS motherboard, but with the issues fall in build quality and their lack of customer support over the last few years has made me decide not to use them on my next build. I’m also waiting for the X870 boards. I think I will be using Asrock I really like what I’ve seen on their upcoming boards.
- MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi G $239 - GIGABYTE X670E AORUS PRO X $274 - ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-PLUS WiFi $273 Which one would you recommend? I feel the MSI is the best option if you don't care about the audio chipset, probably use a DAC anyways
I do like the Aorus master boards. Any particular version you recommend to power either a new 9000 series, or a 7950x with a 4090 for triple 1440p Couple of M2 drives, but mainly, it's USB ports to take all the peripherals for SIM racing. This would be higher up than most other specs.
Hi Jason.. do you think it could be a n issue buying a mobo now for 9000series.. we dont know if they will utilise the higher ram speeds on offer so if your mobo is maxing out at 6000-6400 which most seem to could that be issue
getting rid of my 13th gen blue screen, ordered the msi meg tomahawk b650 ddr5, what CPU do you recommend for this board, looking for something that can handle the new MSFS 2024 sim
What is up with MB manufacturers not putting outputs for 5.1 sound systems on the back? This means YOU, ASRock and Gigabyte... do they expect me to toss my Z906s in the trash, or not hook up to my Yamaha CX-A5100 in the living room?
I have a question, about itx, whats with the asrock b650i wifi? In my country, there is a sale with this itx board and it has the price tag of 160. Thanks for the video, it claimes, that a 650 is already enough for me.
I was gonna get an asrock board, but couldn’t find one in stock. So I went with my original plan of the msi tomahawk b650. Considering I just went to am5 I’ll probably wait 2-3 years before upgrading though lol.
Wow, this video couldn't have posted at a better time. Was just looking to get a motherboard. Just bought the MSI MAG Tomahawk for $181 USD on Amazon.
So glad we could help!
I have that since last year with a ryzen 7000. It’s great, well it’s a motherboard 😅
That's the one I have b650 tomahawk wifi
@@JSTRonline2 i had a b660m msi tomahawk intel one also
😢
The one board I'd recommend in the $180 - $200 price range is the B650 Steel Legend Wifi from ASRock. It's basically an upgraded version of the B650E version that came out before it. It even has a PCIe gen 5 x16 slot and a Gen 5 M.2 slot. Not that I care for those at the moment but I'll gladly take it when the Tomahawk or the Aorus Elite AX don't have anything else that stands out in this price range. Plus the board is white, which is always nice for aesthetics.
I wish it was easier to find though now Amazon says Oct ship date
Jason out there making it easy to pick out a mb and build a computer.. Great guy!
So glad its helpful!
Asus B650E-F Gaming has been the foundation of my rig for 18 months now. There are lots of good boards out there, just letting buyers know the E-F Gaming is a real solid one in the bunch.
It is definitely in the recommendations and is also my daily driver. Still a little pricey but super solid.
@@PCBuilderChannel like you said, it’s got everything you’d want and need, plus it looks good and can justify a few extra bucks in that area.
I bought the same board, and am very pleased with it.
I'm definitely looking at this asus motherboard but I'm waiting to see what comes out in a few months
My 550-F is chugging along nicely as well so I'm very likely to get another -F to go with my 9800X3D when the time is right. Had problems with every MSI product I've ever owned no matter the category so I'm staying far away from them
Jason: "Don't buy x20 boards, they have PCI Express 3.0."
Also Jason: "Don't go for PCI Express5.0. It's over kill."
And with that you can conclude, that you just go with pcie 4.0....
Haha. I think I should have shown the pricing when talking about this. The cheapest B650E is $189, and the next one up is $239. Meanwhile I'll be shocked if B840 is better priced than the cheapest B650 boards, so there's essentially no price savings for sticking with PCIE Gen 3, which will be eclipsed in future years.
I built my current PC in 2015 when I was in high school. Still rocking my r9 390 to this day. I am in need of an upgrade but researching all the parts and tech and options is so overwhelming. Your videos are by far the most helpful! I have a 1440 build planned out I am going to buy soon!
Its a lot to come back to I know! I actually started the channel after coming back to building after a break and wishing there was a channel to catch me up. Glad we can help and best wishes on the build!
I went with a Asus X670E-E for my Ryzen 7900X3D. Solid board 👍
Best board so far. Very good lanes supply and upgradabilty with PCIe 5.0. On the paper Gigabyte does it better, but in real world so many folks are angry over the boards.
It will blow up and you will be screwed.
Please don’t buy ASUS or Gigabyte in the future
Thank you very much for covering this. I was looking into upgrading and I wanted to find some good quality boards with lots of connectivity options (Some boards are ridiculously expensive but only have 7 or 8 USB slots, wth...)
This helped out nicely.
You're so welcome! Happy to help :))
I'm still waiting on a good reason to switch from AM4 to AM5. I am still on 5800X and am still pulling good value after all that time. I am going to have to upgrade soon, but I want to see how long and how many generations I can skip.
I have good arguments in this video. Good Video!
I'm on AM4 too with a 5950x and I agree, there will be a time to upgrade but it's not right now.
I’m on am4 5800x3d 6800xt the only thing I’ll upgrade is a new gpu
@@AzSureno what mother board do you have paired with that combo ?
@@Eric-zy7fm b550 asus rog strix
@@Eric-zy7fm I would go for asrock or msi , I have a VGA light on sometimes for no reason with b550 rog strix , Inithing is affected but it is annoying
Looking ahead, as I put my 13700K machine into stasis, I bought a B650E Taichi Lite during Prime Days, but from Newegg. (My second choice would have been the PG Riptide, also a B650E board.) I don't know which CPU I'll install yet, not even if it will be a Zen4 or Zen5. Testing and pricing will determine that. Meantime, I'm running my backup 5700X machine.
Nice Dead Space reference.
Taichi Lite and I would never look back
@22:12 Finally something I own makes your list this is the happiest I’ve been watching your videos 😀 I have NZXT N7 B650E in black as I hate white builds .
My Lian Li LANCOOL III Midi Tower Noir didn’t make your video but now I’m happy
(:
thank god just bought a nzxt n7 b650e board on sale last month all black glad to see it makes the list , i will be waiting for a x3d 9000 however
@@richardbyfield1918 I have this for future proofing I’m actually happy sticking with the 7800x3D I’ll replace that in 2yrs when it’s needed
@@jaywilson2018 I have a 7800x3d on my steel legend x670e build I did last year , not replacing that for years to come.
Good to see my B650 Tomahawk is still up there, no regrets picking it for my first build 8 months ago!
I have the same one I love it it works for what I need it for
I've been building PCs for a decade and I really appreciate the info I can glean from these videos. Top shelf, sir, top shelf.
Thank you so much! That's amazing feedback thank you
U didn t mention ASRock B650E TAICHI LITE has 24+2+1 Phase Power Design... For 300 euros at my region....
So, I ended up going with an MSI MEG ACE X670E. There were a couple reasons why I chose that, but the biggest was that it had a 10Gbe network adapter onboard. There were other features that I liked, but the ability to have 10Gbe onboard instead of needing a card was a big one. The M.2 layout was also solid and I liked the cooling solution a great deal. I didn't see enough value to go to a "Godlike" at $500 more to just get an LCD readout screen, basically.
Thank you, Jason. 👍🏼
I've decided to use the Lancool 216 X I was telling you about to house an *all AMD Linux machine.*
That way I can take out *three* birds (turkeys, all of 'em 🦃😝) with ONE stone: Intel, NVIDIA, and Microsoft.
*Must Haves:*
- BIOS flashback feature
- Onboard WiFi
- Built-in I/O shield
- Three x4 M.2 connectors
- Decent audio chipset
- Thunderbolt 4 connectivity
- USB 3.2 gen 2x2 (20Gbps) Type-C connectivity
*Nice to Haves:*
- Seven segment debug display
- Onboard On/Off / Reset / Clear CMOS
- 2.5 Gig LAN
- 'Stealthy' aesthetic (not _too_ much RGB bling)
I'm really liking ASRock's B650E Taichi Lite 🤗
I have learned a tremendous amount of knowledge on building since I subbed to your channel. I was trying to decide AM4 or 5 and this video just made up my mind so thank you Jason. Remember what I said about economy going south? INTC just announced they are laying off 15% of workforce, others will follow. It means that it's a good time to build because there will be some sweet deals coming.
So glad they are helpful Rand!
Hey, I have that X670 Aorus Elite AX in my build. I got it on sale for like $120, and it's been nothing but good to me.
Wow great deal. I'm disappointed to see the best price I can find right now is $240. What is going on with these prices 😭
@@bretthake7713
Honestly I think it was a pricing error on Amazon or something because I looked at the price a week after I bought it and it went up to like $170. So, lucky me, I guess.
I have more than a month combo deal from Microcenter 7800x3d, ddr5 and with motherboard Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX V2, running perfect really,,,,but if this was not a combo deal, i would buy it B650E Taichi Lite with no hesitation!
Been waiting for this! Thank you!
Hope its helpful! Thanks for watching
Was starting to feel left out but when I got to the end of the video, the very last recommendation was my own motherboard, Asus Tuf x670e, bought it in January 2022, nice recommendation :-) I agree completely!! Since it was bought right at the introduction of AM5, I selected the most affordable and highly expandable board with PCIe5 GPU and M2 pcie5 slots, plus many extra M2 pcie4 and one M2 pcie3 slots, hoping to get 5 years and several CPU choices and/or upgrades out of one motherboard :-) To populate the board, started with a 7700x (fastest gaming cpu at the time), superflower 1000w power supply (platinum), and 7900xtx (founder's edition), and ddr5-6000 corsair ram
You are the man was looking for a video like this. Thanks you the best!
Love it when the timing is good! Happy to help (:
I just swapped my 14900k for a 7950X3D but I might swap it again for the 9950X when it comes out. But thanks for this video. I myself went with the MSI MAG Toma
hawk since it's what I also had on the intel side
Glad we could help!
im upgrading to AMD from intel 9th gen... this helped out. i currently have maximus hero xi but im scared to go with asus now i just want reliable motherboard hopefully LED error code indicator . i dont want msi so im stuck with eiterh asrock or asus. ill wait few days after launch to decide on my final pick though.
Glad we can help!
I have the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX which I snagged on sale for $159 a few months ago. I think it's a great value at this price, with its normal $179 price being a bit much. I feel like I could probably surf this board to the end of AM5's life cycle.
the most worth it one, I think the last one, if you're looking for smaller size board but with the latest tech for future proofing.
The ASRock X670E Pro RS is going for $230 right now which is a steal for what you get!
I hope you do a video on the new zen 5 motherboards coming out soon.
We will but you should check out our new Best Ryzen 9000 motherboards video for more
Jason, thanks for the video!
As a side rant directed toward motherboard manufacturers, it bugs me that the optical audio port just isn't there for so many of the AM5 boards I've looked at. I use the optical port in my ROG Strix B550-A Gaming motherboard, so when I eventually upgrade my PC to AM5, it is a must-have feature for me.
Good point!
I swapped from the B650E to a X670E Crosshair Hero and absolutely love it.
Good advice - started building PCs for me and friends way back in the 80's and still building a few per year, but was not up to date on motherboards. This video helped. Would have liked to see mATX boards in more than budget category. Was thinking a MSI MAG B650M Mortar Wifi, but will look into your recommendation.
So glad this was helpful!
Thanks Jason for the video. I didn't know some of the mobo 2nd M2 slot running PCIE 4 x 2 until now.
Glad to help!
Honestly after having the 12 core 5900X, I've come to see that it felt like overkill at first. But now after having that extra head room I would never go below an 8 core 16T. it's nice to be able to do multiple things.. Watching vid's while editing other vid's or playing games and streaming. That 9900X looks appealing depends on the price though..
I wish motherboard companies would make more mini itx boards and more mini dtx boards. seems like small builds are becoming more popular.
Bought the ASRock B650E Steel Legend WiFi. Running great so far
Awesome!
Yah , awesome choice
i bought the x670e asrock steel legend last summer , it has a bios update for ryzen 9000 as well. i have it paired with a 7800x3d
mine has horrible usb issues, that i cant seem to figure out, disconnecting and dropping and it doesnt matter what bios updates i put it on
Probably have defective motherboard or need to update drivers or enable usb.
May time time to RMA it
I love my Asus ProArt X670-E Creator WiFi. I got it to be the long term base of my AM5 system. I love the Access through various interfaces. :)
If you're looking for the high-end boards, might keep an eye out for X870E Nova in the future. The Z790 variant has proven to be one of the most feature packed, budget high end board out there. Based on the preview last computex, and that also seems the case for the AMD variant, assuming the price are going to be similar to the Z790 release.
I have the strix b650e-f. At first I was irritated by the asus price tag but it's rly great. Imo it performs better than the description says. I'm very happy with it! Not to mention asus hands down has the best software across the manufacturers. It's not even close
ASRock B650E PG Riptide is awesome and coming to close price as MSI B650 Tomahawk, in some place even cheaper
Man, the options of all these tasty deals are making me so happy. I think it's about time that I should start buying 1 part at a time every 2 weeks to extend the journey 😊. I get paid bi-weekly anyway 😅 I already got my white Corsair crystal 280x case and 2 4tb ssd sata 3 hard drives. Just need everything else. I've been waiting patiently for this video for about 6 months. Like a cat waiting for... to pounce on a mouse? Sorry, i don't own cats, but I've been waiting 😂. Im still deciding to either make a pure white build with purple leds or black and white build with an aqua blue led set-up.
Haha, I literally searched your channel on exactly this topic just hours before you posted this. Thank you as always for the great videos.
So glad we can help!
i got the Asrock B650E Taichi lite a few months ago to pair with a 7800x3d and radeon 6950XT and couldn't be happier. the motherboard verry well could last me the entirety of the AM5 platform existence. my 1 complaint is i wish the PCIe release levers were a bit larger or relocated like on some other high end boards.
Yeah it’s the most underrated motherboard in the whole B650E sector. It all all the features of a $700 motherboard on a $240 motherboard.
I wish it could be a standard in mid tier motherboard such as the POST display.
But yeah $240 go for it
My PC is finally built! And it runs my games at 4k 60+ with no problems. I mainly play War Thunder, Star Trek Online, and American Truck Simulator. I am getting into DCS World after I get a decent HOTAS, and VR headset. I went with Budget parts that’ll be used as backups after I save for the parts I really want. Went with an i3 12100f, H610 DDR5 motherboard, and an MSI Ventus X2 RTX 3050 8GB. Everything works fine, with the exception of the intake fan that came with the case, so I have the exhaust fan on a manual curve as compensation. Planning on replacing the 2 fans that came with my Corsair 4000D Airflow in white with 2 140mm and 1 120mm Noctua Case fans.
Congrats on your build!!
I have an Asus X670E Crosshair Extreme worst purchase of my life. The stablity issues are still ongoing even after RMA to Asus. My 7950X3D was even replaced by AMD
i got the Stryx B650E-E 8 months ago, Brand New and when they were really pricy, for 200€. in my country that board ussually is around 330-360 €.
I got the Asrock PG Riptide 650e for my 7600 very very happy with my purchase.
Nice!
Might be lower, might ne higher .
But what I've found in France.
ASROCK B650 PG Lightning WiFi.
- ±190€
- ±71°C for VRM after Cinebench stress tesr with a 7950X
- Wifi 6E ; Bluetooth 5.3
- 3 Nvme slot (1 in Gen 5, you might not buy a gen 5 Nvme, but the option is there)
- A lot of USB port.
- A lot of USB port in 3.1 (and 3.2 gen, because having only some goofy 2.0 USB port is sad in 2024)
- 17 phases for VRM (14+2+1)
- support 7200MT/s for dual channel
- The PCB is on 8 layer (better signal) with a additional non-scratch layer (low risk to accidentally damaged it)
- 2,5 Gb/s Ethernet (that's 312,5 MB/s)
- BIOS flash button, and Flashback.
Lemme know how much it cost in US
around 180$ in Poland when u convert PLN. I decided to go with MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wifi. Lets see if i will get lucky with all issues AM5 have.
Just the video i was looking for. Looking to upgrade sometime between this year and next year. Was going to go intel but with the recent issues im going to team red.
So glad we can help! And yes I'd avoid Intel 13th and 14th for the time being
Thanks for updating to 4K
You bet! Excited to be there
If you can get the MSI X670E Gaming Plus -WiFi on sale (I got mine for not much more than the B650 version) it's a great motherboard. Only caution is when you're using larger GPUs that take up 4 of the little removable panels on the back, you'll be losing access to all but one of the PCIe slots. It does have gen 5 M.2 and three gen 4.0x4 M.2 slots, so that goes make up for it for my uses. I train AI checkpoints and LoRA/LyCORIS files for Stable Diffusion, so I need as much storage as I can get (that's in addition to a drive for my games. At the price I paid (about $220 I think) it's worth every penny.
Great video I think for my first PC I’ll be doing for the ryzen 7800X3D and most of the parts except the Ram are from MSI and cooler master big among them the MPG X870 carbon wifi since I’ll be editing and gaming I will most likely use all the slots but also that board is one of the best looking I’ve ever seen
Hop over to our 7800X3D build guide! Its more up to date than this video
@@PCBuilderChannel ohh I’ll keep that in mind thank you!
I bought the GIGABYTE X670E AORUS PRO X didn't see you mention it but I was skimming through maybe I missed it!
Great info as always, but the Asus B650-A and B650E-F list ALC4080 audio (can even be seen in your video). Cheers
X670e crosshair hero and love it! Waiting to see what 9000x3d chips have to offer??? May jump from the 4080S OC after I see what 5090 has to offer. if it’s a mess then 4090 OC.
Love your content man. Love the blast of up to date detailed info.
Thank you!
I have a MSI x670e carbon WiFi. I'm hoping that if I do upgrade from my 7800x3d in the future this mobo will still get the most out of the cpu. Hopefully bios updates will allow it to keep up.
Awesome videos, thanks!!
So glad its helpful! Thanks for watching!
ASRock steel legend should be on your list somewhere
Another one that looks REALLY nice but premium priced (~$450) is the Asus ProArt X670E one, it has an insane feature set and even supports ECC memory, and doesn't look to be missing anything the gaming boards have for tweaking. If I was going to go all out, this might be my choice. For mini-ITX on a budget, the Asrock A620 ITX board is $140 on Amazon and has eight 60A power stages (more than enough for the 9900x and below 9000s and all 7000X3Ds) and has memory OC'ing.
Nice to see my Asus B650E-F in the picks. When I bought mine, it was the cheapest way to get PCIE5 M.2 and GPU slots at around $250, no one else had anything really close and the Asrock boards weren't looking too good at the outset (remember the sticker residue fiasco?) Now you can get the MSI X670E Tomahawk for about the same price as the B650E-F, making the Asus look less attractive if I was buying today.
Asus Belh they deserve to be boycotted after how they treated the whole situation
Very nice timing on a video like this, I'm sure a lot of people were looking for this information! :)
Thoughts on the Asus TUF B650M-Plus Gaming ? I found one in my country (B Grade / refurbished / returned) for 129€
The 2 time 8x PCIe lanes on the new chipset is smtg that is been hard to find on recent mATX mobo's, need that for my NIC and Raid controller combo.
Just to put in perspective.
For Gen 4 Nvme (That's around 7 000 MB/s)
1 TB is around 90-100€
2 TB is around 145€
4 TB is around 230-250€.
So by definition. If you can find from a *known brand* a 4 TB Nvme 7 400MB/s (that's slightly faster than the Samsung 990 Pro) for 230€. You're good.
Knowing US. You might found again lower price than me in Europe.
Cheaper without being sus I've found was Lexar 4TB Nvme for 230€. 7400MB/s read, 7000 write.
I snagged the msi tomahawk a week or so ago for 139. It was 139 for like a day then shot back up
Hey Jason,
awesome video, as always :)!
The Gigabyte all white B650E Aorus Stealth Ice is available in Germany, the listings starting at around 305 Euro and the board is on stock.
Thank you and that's good to know!
I have that asus prime with an R9 7950X. Waiting on the x870e and R9 R9 9950x after they are out a bit.
So the USB-slots speed does not matter for mouse & keyboard and that stuff? I feel like i want as fast response as possible from those for competitive games atleast. Are you sure that bigger USB-speed is absolutely no difference? So there is a cap in how fast a mouse can respond and it does not change from bigger USB-speed?
Mouse speed doesn't benefit from anything faster than USB 2.0.
BTW, the type-c port on the B650E Taichi is actually usb4
Thanks for this very nicely detailed and informative video.
on the Mini, I would cut the MB Panel around the M.2 'on the back to easy access
Former intel user, looking to switch to AMD from here on out. Was thinking about getting a B650 board and updating BIOS for zen 5
Once again, the ASRock B650 LiveMixer is nowhere to be found in this review of boards. It’s like the board is the red-headed stepchild that no one wants to acknowledge.👎
The live mixer boards are pretty good, especially for content creation, but I understand why they're hard to recommend. I personally think the funky design is pretty cool but most probably disagree :/
Yeah B650 LiveMixer is another underrated board with awesome VRMS, lots of usb, and funy design. At $150 it is A step up form Asrock Pro RS.
But both are good
*Hi PC Builder, Is the "Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX Gaming Motherboard" any good because I'm really considering on getting this one but I haven't fully decided yet. Thank you.*
Im using b650e taichi with usb4 ill upgrade my 7600x to 9700x and keep my board. :)
Maybe there will be Higher capacity DDR5 ram kits that support AMD Expo at higher speeds.
Been eyeing the X670E Taichi Carrara and going with the 7800X3D. But hot damn, nice timing with the video update. Doing the routine wait and see approach with the 9000s series, AMD has a once and a lifetime to take Intel's lunch with their current fumble with the 13th and 14th gen. Can't wait to see performance.
Love it when the timing is good!
I have a b650e Aorus master and I have two 5.0 nvme (actually 4 but if I use 2 of them then they turn pcie x16 to x8) and a pcie 5.0 on my mobo but I will still probably get a x870e just for usb 4.0 and wifi 7. Do I need a new mobo NO but I'm an enthusiast so I like building a new PC every couple years
What’s a good 3rd party sound card?
Picked up the Asrock b650m pro board for a build it works great love the 3 m.2 slots havn't really noticed the slower speed.
Yeah it’s an underrated board for $130. It can handle the Ryzen 9 9800X with ease.
What about we do a WHITE THEME PC BUILD? That will be an interesting one!
We have our color themed recommendations here too!
Just here to enjoy the content 👍
I appreciate that! Hope you are having a great weekend!
I am surprised you made no mention of either B650 PG Riptide and B650 Steel Legend. both of which run over the competition of any MOBO from 150-220 price range only beaten by B650 Taichi lite, the vrm and PCI5 lanes alone for that price makes other boards feel like rip offs
Yeah I personally like the steel legand. However you are right that the B650E Taichi lite is the best of the bunch.
UK people interested in buying a MB for all AM5 gen CPUs, the ROG b650e-F is 180£ (tax included) on Amazon UK.
Is msi b650 tomahawk good with 9950x?
PCIE gen may not matter for me but USB4 does, being user a of Mac, I value high speed interfaces like thunderbolt and USB4 is a good alternative. I'm not that much of a gamer (play video games once in a blue moon) but I need a good system that has good connectivity, silent operation, and provide me sufficient power for development and content creation using Blender. Davinci Resolve, Android Studio etc. Some of the files are in 10's of gigabytes. So unfortunately I have to spend money on getting an X870E based build.
As usual, watching this with 0 plans to build a PC anytime soon, only to get the info & support Jason 🤣🤣🤣
We sure do appreciate it!
Every computer I’ve ever built has had a ASUS motherboard, but with the issues fall in build quality and their lack of customer support over the last few years has made me decide not to use them on my next build. I’m also waiting for the X870 boards. I think I will be using Asrock I really like what I’ve seen on their upcoming boards.
Yeah I’ve been unhappy with ASUS and Gigabyte and avoid both of those brands in favor of Asrock.
Now I am having second thoughts... What about the X670E version of the PG Lightning for $210? Some open box are going as low as $150 on Newegg.
- MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi G $239
- GIGABYTE X670E AORUS PRO X $274
- ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-PLUS WiFi $273
Which one would you recommend? I feel the MSI is the best option if you don't care about the audio chipset, probably use a DAC anyways
I would agree though if going for a White Build I would look at the ASRock X670E Steel Legend which is currently $259.
What DAC would you use,,,any link, please?
I do like the Aorus master boards.
Any particular version you recommend to power either a new 9000 series, or a 7950x with a 4090 for triple 1440p
Couple of M2 drives, but mainly, it's USB ports to take all the peripherals for SIM racing. This would be higher up than most other specs.
09:38 _"ASRock is rock-solid."_ 🏆🏆🏆
Best MOBO's haven't been released yet broooooo. If you're buying a 9000 might as well wait for x870
I go over why I don't think its worth it to wait in the video but you certainly can
Hi Jason.. do you think it could be a n issue buying a mobo now for 9000series.. we dont know if they will utilise the higher ram speeds on offer so if your mobo is maxing out at 6000-6400 which most seem to could that be issue
getting rid of my 13th gen blue screen, ordered the msi meg tomahawk b650 ddr5, what CPU do you recommend for this board, looking for something that can handle the new MSFS 2024 sim
I would prefer the Asrock Steel Legend B650 with PCIE 5.0 GFX !! (and NVME) VMR 14+2+1 80A!!! 190€ here in EU
What is up with MB manufacturers not putting outputs for 5.1 sound systems on the back? This means YOU, ASRock and Gigabyte... do they expect me to toss my Z906s in the trash, or not hook up to my Yamaha CX-A5100 in the living room?
My (a620m) AsRock Pro RS Wifi supports ram overclocking though? Or were you talking about CPU? 1:30
I have the asus rog strix b650-a , looks good on a white build.
Nice!
I have a question, about itx, whats with the asrock b650i wifi? In my country, there is a sale with this itx board and it has the price tag of 160.
Thanks for the video, it claimes, that a 650 is already enough for me.
That board is fine if you're going with an ITX Build.
I was gonna get an asrock board, but couldn’t find one in stock. So I went with my original plan of the msi tomahawk b650. Considering I just went to am5 I’ll probably wait 2-3 years before upgrading though lol.
Good choice!
Ur read my minsd with this video. i was actualy looking for the MTB i will buy for the release of 9800x3d
Happy to help!