Kind of sad how Amd releases new cpus at safe power draw levels, and gets horrible press for minor performance uplifts, while Intel releases cpus (13/14th gen) at massive power draws and huge performance gains, but then they can just die
I would be very keen to know more about tunings and custom configs for 4 sticks of RAM in the X870/Ryzen 9950X setup. High ram density and speed is crucial for workstation tasks and it'd be amazing to pull it off without having to go full on into threadripper territory.
@@RioRoye me too. Another review mentioned 5200 is the maximum stable. They used ddr5-8000 modules, but there are 192gb kits at 5200, just see the MB compatibility list
i go 47k points r23 with below 250W 180A on my daily config. it runs allcore 5.8x ghz and max all core over 6ghz, can be seen in the hall of fame 3dmakr. Ambient water colled
Just in time as I upgraded from 7950x to 9950x. BTW, I'm using it mostly for heavy multi-core workloads. I don't really recommend it purely for gaming.
@@N0rth0M-1 How did they achieve it? I'm guessing mostly RAM tuning? BTW, I'm successfully running 96GB RAM (2x48GB dual rank sticks) overclocked to 6400 MT/s CL32 with thightened subtimings on my 9950x PC. I'm getting about 59 ns and ~122GB read in AIDA64.
Since ARL is a flop, I'm gonna try AMD for the first time. I plan on getting the X870E Hero, but wondering if I really have to stick with 6000MT? So even those these boards mention they support up to 8200MT on a 9000 series CPU... I can't toss in some titanium 7600MT and get it stable?
Im building a 4090x with the "godlike" mother board, but i got the R9 9 9950x 😮 hope that wasnt a mistake. Retired streamer/ tarkov player P.s. Beautifully edited you truely are the king 🥲😅
With a 4090 I assume you got that to game at 4k. In which case there is no difference between a 9950x and any of the x3ds or Intels. So might as well take the extra cores!
❤❤ love the review video, top class, we want more , also shout out to josh ,ian really know there stuff and his builds are amazingly built and absoukty stunning , really recomends any of hid pc builds wont get better quilty anywere else
I think it'd be interesting to explore reducing the core-to-core latency. There was a review which found the latency increased in the 9950X. I had a 5950X which also had some really weird behavior even on partial load so yeah, sign me up.
Just picked up a 9950x with X670e motherboard, this is my 1st Amd CPU in 20 years, just moved from the 14900K. Anyways it seems that overclocking the 9950x doesn’t seem to improve much? Not complaining about the few % increases, but at the cost of more power and heat, doesn’t seem to be worth it, What do you guys think?
How does your 9950x feel compared to the 14900k you had? What differences have you noticed? (ie does it feel snappier, programs open noticeably faster) Any cons?
@@phillyman36 I went from a 5950x to 14900k - With the 59 I could run two ffmpeg av1 encodes and use the desktop for general stuff without noticing the load. I could even game with any noticeable lag - yes fps would be lower but if you weren't "benching" you would not know. With the Intel I could only do one background encode and there were noticeable stutters in gaming, desktop was fine though. with 2 encodes pc was unusable. So ultimately I don't care if the Intel was faster if it meant I couldn't "really" use the pc for other tasks at the same time. I'd rather have work being done transparently. This is why I sold my 14900 last week and will be going to 9950x ie AMD again. They just multitask so much "smoother" forget what benchmarks show imo.
Makes no sense to say 23% less temperature in Celsius. It’s just a scale it doesn’t actually mean anything when you calculate percentage like this. You could use kelvin and difference is around 5%
Would you notice the change when moving from an ASTRock X670E Taichi to its bigger brother the X870E Taichi with a Ryzen 9950X? I don't know if there will be much difference between the 20K capacitors with a capacity of 1000uF on the X870E, compared to the 12K capacitors with 560uF on the X670E. Thank you very much
-12 is pretty low in terms of CO. You don’t seem to have the best sample, unfortunately. I was lucky enough to snag a good one, which passes Prime95 blend and OCCT torture test, 8 hours each, at -25 on CCD0 and -45 CCD1. With a simple EXPO II and PBO Enhancement, Scalar 10x, stock timing, and the CO combined, I was able to get 47K on R23 and 4600 on Cine 2024. Coming from the 7950x3D with very little tweaking capability, I’m so happy with my silicone jackpot.
FYI you shouldn't take percentages when talking about degrees C. 72 C is not 25% lower than 96 C, because 0 C is a totally arbitrary value. It only makes sense using an absolute scale like Kelvin.
is a shame that you do not show on video instead of just talking the overclock parameters you adjust in the Bios to get to this result , just a constructive criticism
I wonder what the 3d version of this CPU will perform like. Def avoiding Intel till that whole BIOS/Microcode/hardware whatever they blame is next fiasco is handled.
I do not expect more than 5% over 7800x3d, They really need to fix what's wrong with it, adjust the design asap and launch it as zen5+ a 7-10% would be welcomed and keep them competitive vs upcoming intel 15th
As long as you use windows 11 to get the small performance gain and frankly, generationally, that is not much. On windows 10 this CPU sucks majorly, that is why 7950X is still better as it doesn't depend on any Xbox bloat.
I'm thinking about going from 7900x to 9950x. I'm thinking 6 cores to 8 cores on the fastest ccd along with the improved ipc will help a fair bit. I heard one ccd is usually great and the other is shit tier. So both need tuned separately. 8 pack hasn't done this, so there is more on the table.
reviews ryzen 9950x (for which we have hundreds on reviews by now) on a brand new X870E chipset (for which we have no reviews yet) and doesnt compare with X670E...most useless review
@BleepBlop-rh9lm what if different revisions of the same silicon had performance improvements? What if changing the whole pci lanes between m.2 and usb4 had an actual impact in cpu performance? All things that can and should be compared.
@@brunogoncalves6677there are only a few more lanes it is only relevant for workstation usage. No gpu needs pcie 5.0 and no m.2 pcie 5.0 can be cooled so most users don’t need it anyways. If you care about that go buy the new Xeons, Memory bandwidth sucks on amd it’s proven
Kind of sad how Amd releases new cpus at safe power draw levels, and gets horrible press for minor performance uplifts, while Intel releases cpus (13/14th gen) at massive power draws and huge performance gains, but then they can just die
AMD wouldn't have had that much bad press if they hadn't promised 16% gaming improvement in their marketing slides.
@@nossy232323 true
you dont by a BMW and drive it flat out permanently and expect it to be,,,,,,ok do you?
@@simplysimon966 I actually have a BMW, and it's not a problem.
First 10s is pure cringe...just do the overclocking.
I would be very keen to know more about tunings and custom configs for 4 sticks of RAM in the X870/Ryzen 9950X setup. High ram density and speed is crucial for workstation tasks and it'd be amazing to pull it off without having to go full on into threadripper territory.
@@RioRoye me too. Another review mentioned 5200 is the maximum stable. They used ddr5-8000 modules, but there are 192gb kits at 5200, just see the MB compatibility list
i go 47k points r23 with below 250W 180A on my daily config. it runs allcore 5.8x ghz and max all core over 6ghz, can be seen in the hall of fame 3dmakr. Ambient water colled
y got also 47 but doing curve optimizer -30 + 5 on curveshaper, how do you get 5.8ghz all core in both CCD? only manual OC or using PBO+Cuve?
Just in time as I upgraded from 7950x to 9950x. BTW, I'm using it mostly for heavy multi-core workloads. I don't really recommend it purely for gaming.
i saw a few guys get the 9950x in the range of the 7800x3d in gaming but it takes heavy tuning 7800x3d is just drop in so yea
@@N0rth0M-1 How did they achieve it? I'm guessing mostly RAM tuning? BTW, I'm successfully running 96GB RAM (2x48GB dual rank sticks) overclocked to 6400 MT/s CL32 with thightened subtimings on my 9950x PC. I'm getting about 59 ns and ~122GB read in AIDA64.
Thanks for the review ❤
If only they made the white version of Hero. Such a beautiful motherboard.
I bought the Ryzen 9950X today looking forward to it 😅
🤘 same. Gang gang
BTW, 8 pack used to hate AMD. He was a total intel fanboy.
now he is amd fanboy
it shows tbh, just seen hwunboxed show 8000mhz is easy on x870e 9950x 2 sticks across multiple aibs
I like him, he's like a meaty Barry Chuckle.
Nah he supported them, broke so many WRs with 4 way X Fire. 3D mark 11, Vantage blah blah blah ...
Just like FrameChasers.. dude always dogged on AMD and kissed Intels ring. It’s very strange.
The hell with ya! I AM going to like your video. So there! [grin]
Thanks for that. Quite usefull.
Since ARL is a flop, I'm gonna try AMD for the first time. I plan on getting the X870E Hero, but wondering if I really have to stick with 6000MT? So even those these boards mention they support up to 8200MT on a 9000 series CPU... I can't toss in some titanium 7600MT and get it stable?
Just found this channel and this is the first video I had watched, Love the content!
Im building a 4090x with the "godlike" mother board, but i got the R9 9 9950x 😮 hope that wasnt a mistake.
Retired streamer/ tarkov player
P.s. Beautifully edited you truely are the king 🥲😅
With a 4090 I assume you got that to game at 4k. In which case there is no difference between a 9950x and any of the x3ds or Intels. So might as well take the extra cores!
❤❤ love the review video, top class, we want more , also shout out to josh ,ian really know there stuff and his builds are amazingly built and absoukty stunning , really recomends any of hid pc builds wont get better quilty anywere else
I think it'd be interesting to explore reducing the core-to-core latency. There was a review which found the latency increased in the 9950X. I had a 5950X which also had some really weird behavior even on partial load so yeah, sign me up.
@@CitarNosis317 The latest AGESA fixed that behavior. Now the latency is similar to the 5950X & 7950X
Windows has its favourites, look for amd affected bywindows
Just picked up a 9950x with X670e motherboard, this is my 1st Amd CPU in 20 years, just moved from the 14900K. Anyways it seems that overclocking the 9950x doesn’t seem to improve much? Not complaining about the few % increases, but at the cost of more power and heat, doesn’t seem to be worth it, What do you guys think?
How does your 9950x feel compared to the 14900k you had? What differences have you noticed? (ie does it feel snappier, programs open noticeably faster) Any cons?
@@phillyman36 I went from a 5950x to 14900k - With the 59 I could run two ffmpeg av1 encodes and use the desktop for general stuff without noticing the load. I could even game with any noticeable lag - yes fps would be lower but if you weren't "benching" you would not know. With the Intel I could only do one background encode and there were noticeable stutters in gaming, desktop was fine though. with 2 encodes pc was unusable. So ultimately I don't care if the Intel was faster if it meant I couldn't "really" use the pc for other tasks at the same time. I'd rather have work being done transparently. This is why I sold my 14900 last week and will be going to 9950x ie AMD again. They just multitask so much "smoother" forget what benchmarks show imo.
That doesn't seem like an upgrade at least for gaming.
@@phillyman36definitely feels snappier, more importantly it’s stable across all benchmark apps and gaming.
@@jondonnelly3For gaming I’m at 4K so there’s barely any noticeable difference with my 4090.
I will not be upgrading for a while yet, 5900x + Crosshair Viii Extreme.. No need for more..
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depends on what you do.
That 9950x would destroy your 5900x and by quite a large margin.
@@Vialli100. power consumption and performance per watt beat ryzen 5000 CPUs by a long way even ryzen 7000
@@chiron03 It doesn't matter, 5900x is powerful enough for any task..
Makes no sense to say 23% less temperature in Celsius. It’s just a scale it doesn’t actually mean anything when you calculate percentage like this. You could use kelvin and difference is around 5%
UK cite we use degrees c
@@0-B1 you don’t know what you’re talking about. Go read about this.
'or indeed the peasants' LMAO!
Would you notice the change when moving from an ASTRock X670E Taichi to its bigger brother the X870E Taichi with a Ryzen 9950X?
I don't know if there will be much difference between the 20K capacitors with a capacity of 1000uF on the X870E, compared to the 12K capacitors with 560uF on the X670E.
Thank you very much
@@Jose-vb7py I heard from Level1Tech that they have improved it drastically. Check out his review
use process lasso and smt to enable great performance while maintaining 32 cores
*Great work, interesting results*
4:40 Who soldered those caps on?!!
-12 is pretty low in terms of CO. You don’t seem to have the best sample, unfortunately. I was lucky enough to snag a good one, which passes Prime95 blend and OCCT torture test, 8 hours each, at -25 on CCD0 and -45 CCD1. With a simple EXPO II and PBO Enhancement, Scalar 10x, stock timing, and the CO combined, I was able to get 47K on R23 and 4600 on Cine 2024. Coming from the 7950x3D with very little tweaking capability, I’m so happy with my silicone jackpot.
Very small improvement over the previous generation. Thanks for the great review!
FYI you shouldn't take percentages when talking about degrees C. 72 C is not 25% lower than 96 C, because 0 C is a totally arbitrary value. It only makes sense using an absolute scale like Kelvin.
6400 mclk and 2133 fclk are better speeds for this cpu, the gains with tight timing optimisations can be significant for memory throughput and latency
@@realiesOne this 👆
And 1:1 uclk=mclk
is a shame that you do not show on video instead of just talking the overclock parameters you adjust in the Bios to get to this result , just a constructive criticism
14:49 Core #4 went all the way up to 6558 Mhz !
i'm even more interested in knowing ur diet and workout
He lifts LN2 in their containers and drinks the stuff.
@1:17 is L2/L3 backwards?
I wonder what the 3d version of this CPU will perform like. Def avoiding Intel till that whole BIOS/Microcode/hardware whatever they blame is next fiasco is handled.
I do not expect more than 5% over 7800x3d,
They really need to fix what's wrong with it, adjust the design asap and launch it as zen5+ a 7-10% would be welcomed and keep them competitive vs upcoming intel 15th
@@noticing33 what should they fix?
@noticing33 this comment aged well... Intel 15th gen hmmm flop
@@sspringss2727 3d version of ryzen 9000 arrives in 4 days, lets see what they offer
@rafatejera329 I'm waiting...i have a 9950x on order but I'll see.
Very nice.
9950x is disappointing but then so is Intel i9 285. Might get a 9950x anyway. CPU's are dead easy to sell on.
As long as you use windows 11 to get the small performance gain and frankly, generationally, that is not much. On windows 10 this CPU sucks majorly, that is why 7950X is still better as it doesn't depend on any Xbox bloat.
Where Ian comment on his alter-ego???
14900ks on a z790 godlike vs 9950x on a crossfire or aorus master? Gpu is a 4090
What is this, what are your timings, what latency, what voltage? What clock speeds?!
KING OF EVEYTHING??? 🤣😂🤣
def not worth the upgrade financially will stick with 7950x and rog crosshaier x670 extreme will wait and see what 9950x 3d next year
Fr amd need a zen5+ and fix what's wrong with zen5
I'm thinking about going from 7900x to 9950x. I'm thinking 6 cores to 8 cores on the fastest ccd along with the improved ipc will help a fair bit. I heard one ccd is usually great and the other is shit tier. So both need tuned separately. 8 pack hasn't done this, so there is more on the table.
You missed the most important, gaming benchmarks, dude.
heard that it's pretty bad compared to the X3D CPUs.
@@Shadowheartz13212 im waiting on the 9800x3d or 9900x3d- still quite happy on my 7950x3d i got on sale for 500 usd.
@@Shadowheartz13212 nah no difference above 1440p
@@jondonnelly3 Will have significant difference if you keep your system for a long time like I do.
reviews ryzen 9950x (for which we have hundreds on reviews by now) on a brand new X870E chipset (for which we have no reviews yet) and doesnt compare with X670E...most useless review
what are you exactly going to compare? LOL
Results will be 100% identical. The only difference between x870 and x670 is USB 4.0. That's it.
@BleepBlop-rh9lm what if different revisions of the same silicon had performance improvements? What if changing the whole pci lanes between m.2 and usb4 had an actual impact in cpu performance? All things that can and should be compared.
There is nothing besides a few more PCIe lanes and more usb🤣
@@brunogoncalves6677there are only a few more lanes it is only relevant for workstation usage. No gpu needs pcie 5.0 and no m.2 pcie 5.0 can be cooled so most users don’t need it anyways. If you care about that go buy the new Xeons, Memory bandwidth sucks on amd it’s proven
@@zpr3d4t0r6 and all x670 perform the same right?
Indeed, the peasants 😂
Memory bottleneck and memory bound 4:1 is very bad.
AMD has not developed anything.
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