I've always wondered if Scott, as a religious man, meant "canon" in the biblical sense, leaning more towards the notion of being official than towards continuity. As if the books and games and movies can be equated to the four gospels, which aren't all consistent, but do come together to give a clearer picture of the overall narrative through different perspectives.
I think he's actually pretty clear about that. It also gets compared to comic books, where there's often multiple "canon" timelines. It actually bugs me a little, because when FANS ask about canon, they're pretty consistenty asking to confirm details about the game continuity. Not only did he sidestep the question, but he essentially forced a fairly inconvenient shift in the language needed to discuss the subject. There are so few "confirmed canon to the game continuity" details in this series that it feels almost cruel.
I always took it as more of a comic book multiverse type thing like yes what happens in DC's Earth 1 and Earth 2 are Canon to each other Because they do cross over sometimes but just because Batman retires in Earth 2 doesn't mean that he retires in Earth 1.
So "Stitchline Games" could now mean a series of games based on the Stitchwraith storylines instead of, or confusingly in addition to, the current meaning
@stick7962 No, they don't. They treat themselves as an AU version of events parallel to the games. The timelines don't match up, and the characters don't all follow the same paths.
@stick7962 Tales is different. But the Fazebear Frights books aren't canon with the continuity of the games. There are too many plot holes and events that don't line up, as well as characters that don't even exist in the game universe.
@@stick7962 Oswald, Andrew, Sarah, Etc. All characters that don't exist in the games. And Into the Pit doesn't count, as it's based off the book series and not the game series.
Somethings I want to point out are some changes in the stitchwraiths design. 1) He has two eyes now. 2) He has a open mouth filled with teeth. 3) His battery is not visible. 4) HE IS BREATHING. In all honesty he looks like Nightmarrionne, which I think may be intentional.
If the game into the pit is in the game continuity I think the most likely scenario is that Scott is remaking Fazbear frights stories and these remakes are in the game continuity(not the original stories themselves, just the remakes of them).
Personally, Scott should’ve just come out and say something about future installments and at least give us simple hints with what’s going on in the FNAF lore. I’m just tired of this book debate and this anniversary made me stop caring about it. I’m rather gonna make up theories not because I want to solve the lore, but mainly I enjoy this franchise so much and I want to see more FNAF content in the future. One thing is… ever since VIP came out, I completely went through a breakdown of the Tales Games tsunami because that book seemed to imply Tales Games- when it Into the Pit Game came out early, I was going to give up and leave on the community and lore because of admitting defeat for good. But then when I heard about Stitchline Reboot, I end up coming back and decided to hang out by NOT caring about the book debate. I really enjoyed this video even though I’m a Stitchline Reboot believer. But I’m really curious for you to talk about VIP and talk about how it has affects the Gameline. I love your content btw
It feels like the theme of the future games being the Ripple effects caused by the Aftons is also being done with agony manifestations. It's odd to me that most agony fueled stuff is just... mimicking the event that made them? Also glad you're on the haunted games train! That ties in with help wanted and keeps the spooky supernatural elements as well as the AI stuff. I like the idea of AI learning from ghosts for some reason 😅
My theory is that Talegames wasn’t originally canon, but when Scott and Steal Wool had to course correct after the blunder that was Scott’s handling of Security Breath, they used Tales from the Pizzaplex as a blueprint. I agree with John Fuhnaff that the mimic was probably always intended, with multiple references so a mysterious unnamed animatronic being used for free labor. But when Security Breach realised the way it did, they used the Minic from Tales that we were already familiar with instead of whatever it was originally supposed to be.
Even if they did use Tales as a blueprint, I’m still not sold on Tales itself existing in the mainline continuity now. Largely because of how they introduced the Mimic in Ruin in a way that _really_ does not line up well with Tales. We’re told explicitly by Gregory that the Mimic has been trapped down here for “a REALLY long time” (he doesn’t even say “I think”, this is stated as though it’s something he knows for a fact), and we encounter a security system created for it that’s designed to look like 80s-era technology. This strongly implies that the Mimic was down in this bunker (even if not trapped in that specific room until recently) for around *50* years. Meanwhile Tales depicts it being brought to the FFPS location _during the Pizzaplex’s construction,_ which would only allow it to have been down here for about *5* years by the time of Ruin. This is on top of the Mimic being described as a super complex endoskeleton comparable to the Glamrock endos in the epilogues, whereas in Ruin his design is dramatically more simple. Tales may have been the blueprint, but I think they diverged quite a bit.
@@stick7962 You are confusing canon with being similar. Elseworld DC comics are events that happen and often times similar to "canon" continuity but they aren't the canon timeline. That's the case with tales. They are events that happen but are not "canon" because they are slightly apart from what actually happened.
It's stated in the early synopsis' of the tales of the pizzaplex books that the stories are set in the world of the "newest games." The Fazbear frights and interactive novels are what I believe is "some are, some don't, I'm sure you can figure it out" while the original novel series trilogy was "those specific events didn't happen in the games but we have clues for you to decipher the games".
Pretty accurate description of the books and I believe it was theorized or confirmed (I don't know which) that the stichwraith stories and fazbear frights stories mentioned in the stichwraith stories are considered canon
My "problem" with this story is that if it's only a memory/vision/whatever in that sense, it's ok, we can deal with it. I personally like the idea that the place is full of powerful emotions connected to this event and Oswald is just seeing them; but if it's actually a time travel, as the marketing made it seems, the things gets really weird. 😅
I have been brewing a Theory I call FazProp [Fazbear Propaganda]. While it probably is NOT Scott's plan, it seems to be what Steel Wool is trying to tell. Basically the main gameplay from the 6 OG games [anything that shows up in Help Wanted or Tales/Frights] is what HW says on the tin: Games by an indie dev, sponsored by Fazbear Inc to make light of and distract from the actual crimes [like how someone with no concept of history in the 80's can think Jeffery Dahmer only exists in Netflix]. The things that are NOT remade in the Steel Wool games, specifically the 8-bit mini-games, are, similar to the pre-tales interpretation of Glitch Trap, haunted copies of the games that we as players get a hold of, the ghosts trying to tell us the real story [with us, the players being 4th wall break inserts into the story]. Using this logic, anything that gets a cameo in SW games, like Fetch, Scrap Trap, Scrap Baby etc, is a fictional in-universe distraction story, similar enough to be used to deny the actual events. Under this premise, the Fazbear Frights books [and possibly the Tales books] were in-universe tie-in merch, possibly in the form of comic books [based on Gregory's comic book page endings], in this case for Fazbear's Fright, the actual location that the in-universe FNaF3 analog [and the What We Found story] was based on. The actual location was probably either an ongoing thing, or a seasonal haunted house. This is why there are clusters of analogous characters like Ennard/Stitchwraith/Tangle [although Stitchwratth is alternatively analogous to Golden Freddy, and the Tangle/Blob can be a version of the Afton Agony Amalgam / TrashTrap]. There was an in-universe thing that we might see in a Steel Wool game [probably the Mimic...] that all those book things were based on. Why would ScrapTrap and other things that only Henry and Michael saw have merch and arcade games [and be named as such] if they weren't fictional distractions [but still loosely based on actual events]? Yes there are holes, and I am not sure what to specifically to with the Epilogues [Stitchwraith/Mimic] and their related stories yet. They may be the book equivalent of the haunted arcade games, where only our copy in-universe has them, not the in-universe release copies, like how the copy of the Security Logbook just happened to be previously owned by Michael Afton and haunted by his brother and one of William's victims.
I mean, the whole point of Help Wanted was they were passing off real events as fictional, so I do think the events of the VR games were real, but that's fair
@@stick7962 yeah its important to realize the game doesnt take place in 1985 it takes place in an agonized corrupted memory of 1985 likely in oswalds/whoever is in the pits head
The thing I don’t like about the books being super canon to the main continuity, is how much my suspension of disbelief goes out the window with 3D glasses that make you see Ballora hunting you down
This is how I interpret the books It show stories that makes us question some events or makes us think more of a little detail That includes book that goes detail on characters
When I heard 'But hey,' I knew you were gonna make that joke 😅. Also, I think it is interesting to think that somebody's memory of Afton is a monster bunny thing, adult or kid. But that's my take on it, at least. For all we know in that continuity he WAS a monster bunny thing. (Imagine. I honestly don't know which would be scarier, a golden bunny monster version of Afton, or ACTUAL Afton. I'll take the bunny, cause he doesn't always come back).
Also, the little Freddy plushie on your desk in the little cartoon thing (there is probably a name for the cartoon facecam things, but I can't remember it) is adorable!!
The memory of the yellow rabbit being a monster is not far fetched. The game tell us that they knew that someone used the spring bonnie suit during the mci, so the memory of the people would make the yellow rabbit a monster since there isn't someone to directly point at
I have a theory. Afton killed the first 5 children. The Mimic did the rest of the murders, and made the Funtime animatronics, because Afton needed the FNaF 1 animatronics parts, but he couldn’t get them, because he was Springlocked for 30 years in the safe room, and Michael would be roughly in his 60’s in FNaF 3, and he looks about 20-30 in Sister Location, which means the Funtime animatronics are made, so how could they be made while Afton was Springlocked? The Mimic did it.
If they do make fazbear frights game adaptations here are there changes I want. 1. The puppet carver: instead of making it about fazgoo make it about porter and his special machine that can created wooden animatronics. 2. He told me everything: instead of fazgoo being a product made by fazbear entertainment and having it steal on your organs and identify make it more like the ooze/mutagen from TMNT perhaps a fazgoo monster that can shapeshift, also change the name of it as well. 3. In the flesh: instead of a digital springtrap getting mat pregnant make it more like it’s slowly corrupting him and trying to take form in the real world. These are just ideas.
Haven't read the books, but with in the flesh they can have it be akin to the Alien series where a monster is injected and burst out of the guy's stomach.
@@zenvariety9383 that was definitely the intention with original the story so I agree they just have to lean into it more (and have it chest burst instead of having him cut his stomach open)
I really appreciate having additional evidence one way or the other on the continuicity of the game of "Into the Pit." Loose speculation or "feelings" about certain aspects of the franchise are important and sometimes necessary, but it can also be frustrating only having this basis of "I believe it to be the case."
Into the Pit could explain why we see Freddy, Bonnie, and Chica, but not foxy. Modern FNAF seems to be about the people who were affected by Aftons evil, and the bullies from FNAF 4 were the ones that caused some of it. It explains Springbonnie’s voiceline where he says, “I’ll make you suffer just like I did”, which is referring to making Oswald suffer, so his dad can suffer like he did. It also could explain why we find a Freddy mask, and that Oswald somehow knows about the looks of Freddy and the gang, despite never going to Freddy fazbears. Michael Afton was the one who wore the foxy mask, and since he hardly shows up, it’s a reflection that Michael is out of the picture, but his 3 bully friends are still around. It’s a stretch, but it’s not far off. I do love modern Fnaf’s take. FNAF 1-4 was about the evil deeds and aftermath of Williams sins, with Sister Location - UCN is the conclusion to everything, then we get Help Wanted and the future releases which seem to dig up the past, while telling a new story to characters who are reflections of past characters, while also bringing back characters we never thought about. I do love how Modern FNAF is doing this!!!! 😱😀👍
Yeah, and while Gregory is a mimic of Crying Child, Vanessa being a mimic of Elizabeth, and Glamrock Freddy’s nature being a mimic of Michael’s protective nature, we get Cassie, who has colors that are similar to the Bonnie Bully from FNAF 4, and we have Oswald, which knows of the Fazbear gang despite not going to Freddy’s with a Freddy mask in the attic, which is awfully a big coincidence. 🤔 Overall, I’m excited to see who we are playing as in Secret of the Mimic, and Game Theory is right, we need to keep an eye out for the Chica mask, because that could indicate the Chica Bully from FNAF 4? 🤔🤷
Honestly, I've come to the conclusion that FNAF has become more akin to a Lovecraftian Mythos, in that the stories are all part of the Mythos, but not really all that often connected to one another (or even same universe). I've also come to the conclusion that this fact actually solves why "Security Breach: Ruin" doesn't seem to cleanly follow "Five Nights at Freddy's: Security Breach". This belief is actually helped by the Dawko Annniversary interview revealling that Scott's story never actually made it to Steel Wool for the production of the main game, I think RUIN follows Scott's Story, not Steel Wool's, but they do occur in the same Mythos and still affect one another.
I think Ruin takes Steel Wool's story and guides it back in the direction of Scott's. I don't think it rules out anything in SB from being in the continuity
@@IDsFantasy I don't think it ignores or decanonizes anything, but I think it's more like both are just now "Tales from the Pizzaplex", the Security Breach happened, but no particular ending matters or connects to Ruin because how the tale ended isn't as important as it occurring in the first place (despite Steel Wool's endings being fairly incompatible with each other). I also think Steel Wool, Scott, and Vanny in universe used Game Design to trick basically everyone in the theorist community (including myself) about what was going on in the Plex during RUIN but that's a completely different matter.
Honestly, another absolute banger of a video. I genuinely forgot that 6 did have a set location and would've never thought to try and link this to the locations in the books/ITP game.
My opinion this is one of the rouge inde developer ( older Oswald) games like the ones that “ discredited the faz bear legacy” as mentioned in help wanted but the book version is the real story
Yeah, I see the books as some kind of « This is possible in this universe » and also parallels to characters and events in the game. Although, it isn’t impossible that some events in the games could be similar to some stories in the books. Not the Exact same, but close.
Wasn't it directly stated that they had to make a multitude of changes throughout the development of the game so that it wouldn't contradict with anything? If it's not part of the game universe, what would there be to contradict? It's clearly not in the book universe, so based on them working so hard to make sure there's no contradictions that pretty much confirms it to be in the game universe IMO. Unless you wanna say it's in the movie universe I guess
Thing is, what was it avoiding contradicting? The games? Canon as a whole? There's plenty tbh, and given the Vanny sprite in the files it could also be like, time period stuff
I mean to be fair there's no reason to believe that Westbrook is based upon a specific real life school, considering how generic the name is already, with there being 3 real life locations, it'd make sense scott would want to use a name like that for the fictional school; although it'd make sense to not use a real life school for a fictional story just for reasons of creative freedom
Completely agree with the fact Into The Pit is NOT within the same continuity of the game universe. I’m very excited for Mega Cat to work on a sequel! This game was so well made and had an absolute blast playing it. Great video!
Random crackpot theory I got as a result as Into the Pit: 1985 isn't the date of the MCI, but the DCI. The MCI likely happened much earlier, possibly before the bite of 83. If the games are canon to some degree, then it wouldn't make sense for Oswald to have seen an agony recreation the MCI, since the bodies are right there for everyone to see. One of the main themes I've seen lately is don't trust anything, so this theory of mine is a result of my personal descent into the ever maddening abyss of fnaf lore and how things we've been theorizing about for a little over 10 years at this point could be wrong. Regardless of Into the Pit possibly taking place in the fnaf 1 location (depending on what you believe) The Week Before mentions that they love to remodel the place, so who's to say they didn't remodel the fnaf 2 location after the DCI and bite of 87 closed it down and remodeled it to the fnaf 1 location as a means to cut corners?
8:27 YES THANK YOU FOR THIS POINT i can't see scott's storytelling philosophy changing that much that this quote isn't still relevant. this is a personal opinion of scott's that seems pretty unlikely to significantly change. another great vid, well done )
Things I think. 1. I think theirs a possibility that into the pit the game could be a in universe game made by fazbear entertainment llc due to the 2d pixel artstyle. 2. Maybe the ITP game is just a new fnaf game timeline and separate from the mainline games, like how the silver eyes trilogy is clearly different from the fazbear frights boi series. 3. I like to think that if none of the books are canon then what we see is simply Scott taking certain ideas/concept’s from the books and adding them to the games. 4. I think we could possibly get a sequel or prequel to into the out where we play as Oswald again or someone new. 5. I’m a huge fan of the theory of Oswald’s dad being the Freddy mask bully and if pittrap is meant to be a agony representation of William it make sense that someone acting like William would want to target someone who was bullying and killed his son.
The FNAF lore is incredibly detailed and layered, with numerous spin-offs, side games, and books adding more depth to the story. Each game reveals new pieces of the puzzle, making the lore an ongoing mystery for fans to decipher. However, predicting the future of the FNAF lore involves a mix of known elements and speculation about where the story might go based on existing themes.
Oh my, you pronounced the city’s name properly _and_ mentioned that the flag changed. As a Utah enjoyer, colour me impressed! I also never considered that Westbrook could be a street. I had previously assumed Stitchwraith Stingers storyline must take place in Maine. That is a very interesting interpretation, I like that a lot. Although I overall do not expect this to be an overly convincing point for most people. I have seen people argue that Mr. Scott B. Cawthon is moving away from referencing real places in his works. Think to _The Scoop_ in _Five Nights at Freddy's : Fazbear Frights #12: Felix the Shark_ (2022) for instance, where Amanda Mason visits a Utah settlement named Peace Valley, which is completely fictional. Even the original description of Hurricane is not particularly accurate, seeing as _Five Nights at Freddy's: The Silver Eyes_ (2015) described it having a forest, which is very much false for the real location. For these reasons one could reasonably argue that a fictional street named Westbrook could exist in this forest having Hurricane. Or even that the fictional school could be named after someone named Westbrook, which is a real family name. I think your primary point in the video is very much interesting, Miss Identification Document Fantasy, do not get me wrong, but ultimately I very much doubt it will convince a lot of people.
Thanks! It's not actually a street, it's a neighborhood, but otherwise fair. I will say I do get that perspective, but The Scoop was scrapped, and even if the landscaping of Hurricane is inaccurate, the general locations are accurate that are established in the books and the games, and I don't see why Scott wouldn't have just called it Hurricane Middle unless it wasn't in Hurricane. But yeah. Honestly I didn't expect to convince a ton of people no matter what evidence I gave. People have the theories they like, myself included, and will often just try to interpret things in a way that's most convenient for what they already believe. Oh well. I am glad you thought the video was interesting!
Freddy Fazbear: Into the Five-Nights-Verse! Every piece of FNAF media is canon, but the details that don't match up one-to-one are things that happen in parallel universes. But, I'm just guessing.
Well, it’s all canon. It’s all from Scott’s mind. 😳 🤣🤣 But, I agree. I think this game is not supposed to be a canon to the other games or the books, but a retelling of the book, and just a fun spin off game.
not many people make books based on games. and then make games based on the books. all we need now is a game based on the movie and we've come full circle.
Your basically thinking the same thing I am. On the canonicity of the books that is. I was think the books ant canon but some of the plots in the books are. I'm not just talking about the Fazbear frights books, but also the silver eyes novels. I believe that Fazbear fights books, and the silver eyes novels are somewhat connected. I also believe that Circus Baby, and Scrap Baby aren't the same animatronic. Which I am planning to make a video on my channel at some time to explain why I think that.
"the books are canon in the same way the games are" is a strange way to word it... so either we take the games and books at face value (which doesnt make sense), but to me, that wording seems to imply that both have bits of truth in them, but neither are a perfect 1 for 1 of what happened. with that in mind for the VR games, saying that the earlier games might have exaggerated what happened... brings back the "nuggets of truth" that might be spread around. the things that they all agree on are definitely the most important footholds we have, and the things that are similar between them all are definitely important to consider. i feel like into the pit (both versions) was made as a way to tie together what we should be looking at, like an official nudge that both are of the same importance in some way.
Cool video and love the retelling of stories outside of both continuities. Why I still can't get it out of my mind that this is just a retelling of MM in more detail. No one will ever convince me a kid smashed his window to run away nor the fact that a three toed animatronic was present. ID you should go read those pages of the silver eyes 156-157. Where Charlie goes to Fredbears with John which is not a very far drive from where they are when they go to Freddy's prior. The quote from those pages describes Jeff's as you see it during Into the Pit and it matches exactly... Oh and the Mediocre Melody ties and Magic Wand in the back room of Jeff's. Think this is also your JR's location in MM as the book points Fredbears out as a dance hall for kids and a bar simultaneously. “There were double doors to the right with circular windows (leading to the arcade in Jeff’s). Unlike the dining area, which was breached with sunlight, and the sounds of the outside, the room behind the double doors was still pitch black. John was more interested in this than Charlie, and he carefully peered into one of the windows, obviously tempted to nudge it open and see what was inside. Charlie left him to his curiosity and walked further into the dining room, which she only knew as the dining room through memory. Now it was a vacant and lonely room, stretching long and narrow, at least 50 feet, growing darker as it went. There was a slightly elevated stage at the end of the room (Jeff’s pizza long dining room), and Charlie realized as she looked around at the place, it had probably once been a dance hall, and the long desk by the entrance that her parents had used for a cash register had probably been a bar. She went over to it and saw that she was right there was even grooves and scratches in the wood floor were even barstools had once dug their feet. She tried to picture it, a dark bar with a country western band playing on the stage, but couldn’t”. Weird huh? Bar with a 50 foot dining room with an elevated stage at the end? Where Charlie tried to picture a country western band playing? And what do you see in the back room of Jeff’s? (The back room with spare parts). The ties and other parts of the Mediocre Melodies. The bar was the family diner. It was meant for kids and adults. Yeah. This is Jeff's... just like it was Fredbears Family diner and JR's.
I liked the books more than the games in terms of story telling for some time now but honestly having more adaptations like into the pit seems like the perfect thing the franchise needs right now with dissatisfying story of security breach and honestly the fact 3 of the last 4 major games were VR
I think Oswald's Dad was still physically in the pit; following the book. And what we see, is Oswald's Dad mentally trapped in the agony-infused memory balls (pit), which is a theory brought up by RyeToast. Based on the assumption that Oswald is the first kid to wake up the 'Yellow Rabbit,' the agony creature may have physically been in the pit. Perhaps William used several Spring Bonnie suit and hid one in the pit. Or, a spare lab.
I agree with the overall theory, although I would say that the evidence surrounding Utah and the location of Westbrook Middle School is a bit weak to be the main piece of evidence proving that Into the Pit isn't in the game continuity. The world of FNAF is obviously based off of real life, just as you've shown with Utah being a prominent location in the franchise, but that does not mean that the real life locations have to match up one to one. Just like how FNAF pizzerias don't actually exist in Utah, Westbrook Middle School can just as easily be a fictional school. Not to say that it's not a interesting bit of supporting evidence, but by itself, it doesn't really hold up as a 'main' piece of evidence. Besides from that little nitpick, great video!
See, my thought process there is that since Freddy's is supposed to be in Hurricane, why even name the school Westbrook if you're going with a fictional name? Idk if there is a Hurricane Middle, but why not call it that? The name Westbrook seems intentional given Scott kept the Washington County stuff wholely consistent and there was an irl Westbrook Elementary
@@IDsFantasymaybe it’s just me but Westbrook seems like a generic fictional school name you’d fine in a movie and by that logic midnight motorist can’t be cannon because it takes place in a forest and those aren’t near hurricane
I have a love hate relationship with this game. I’d like to add I think that what goes on in the ball pit IS time travel. Because things you do in the pit, affect what happens in the present.
I actually have a different reason for that! I think since the building is haunted, it makes sense that the supernatural things effect the normal stuff, just like how posters and stuff can change in FNAF 1 sorta thing
Very interesting! Another thing to consider why Into the Pit isn't or can't be in the main game continuity is the implication of Afton throwing the Spring Bonnie suit in the ball pit to hit the evidence (Spring Bonnie being the only thing that's real also doesn't have a body inside) instead of the animatronic being left in the backroom to get boarded up.
In I.T.P., why do we see the bodies night 1, then on later nights see the main cast acting strange, but we are always able to hide inside Golden Freddy? I’d like to hear everyone else’s opinions. Personally I think it’s because Cassidy was removed from G.F. or never placed inside in the first place, as I believe Henry was still wearing G.F. by this point. The reason I believe that is my personal bias that Midnight Motorist is about how Henry as G.F. is luring CC away from his home to keep him away from William.
The memories in the pit are distorted and twisted. On later nights we don't see the police or any trace of it so we can't take everything from 80's gameplay literally(but easter eggs, lore elements etc are should be taken literally)
I sincerely doubt oswald's school not being real is significant proof that itp isn't canon to the games. It would be an absolutely terrible idea for him to use a real location like that, it would potentially encourage people to trespass, which is especially bad when its something like a school that has children there all day. And has he ever used a specific, real life location in anything fnaf other than hurricane utah itself??? It's just not good evidence, the rest of the video is really good though!
The thing is pretty much every other continuity does have real locations, and the school is shut down. The movie is Granite Falls, Minnesota (Sparky's is an actual place btw), the game has Washington County, and the Trilogy has Hurricane and I believe it's school, New Harmony, and I think Silver Reef? I just don't see why Scott wouldn't have called it Hurricane Middle School, but instead name it after a different place that does exist unless that was important. Glad you liked the rest of the video!
I like to think we just have a bunch of universes under five nights at freddy's name - Mainline games, Sliver eyes, Frights, Pizzaplex (still debatable), Movie, and now Game frights. All different universes with separate stories but the same premise and rules. Also Good vid ID, keep it up game theorist
I don’t think that we should be looking at the stories as Canon to each other, but more so as the events of both the stories and the books as being canon in the Fnaf universe. Kind of like how there are many different vampire movies, but it is canon across most vampire movies for sunlight, garlic, and wooden steaks to be effective. I think these stories are more so trying to tell us what signs and symptoms to look out for or so to speak, how what is cannon in the general “fnaf universe”. Think Marvelverse, but “Fnafiverse”.
When i heard it was a spin-off game, i assumed that, unless it's proven otherwise, the spin-off games aren't necessarily in same timeline as the mainline games. Good to know you think it isn't 👍
@Sonicmid that doesn't mean canon. that just means it didn't fit with the lore of fnaf. is there any real confirmation where they say "it's canon to the games universe" and not just speculation and hopeful guessing?
If I were cynical, I would say that leaving this ambiguous gives people more incentive to buy the books from both sides, one trying to debunk their place in the main continuity, the other trying to prove their place in the main continuity. I am not cynical though, thankfully that phase died in 2020, so I get the feeling Scott just doesn't want to confirm such a major part of theorising through a Reddit post. Especially with SOTM coming up, we could likely see something close to confirmation as to which side is correct.
@@LimboTheWatcher in my opinion it being vauge is good because both sides of the argument can be right. If you want to interpret the books as canon you can and if you don't want to you also can. Everyone wins
I was going off of how Scott said "so we obviously decided to venture away from strictly the cartridges so that everybody can be able to play it", but fair enough. Either way though, it wouldn't make much sense for something that was always intended to be a main game would be a limited edition thing for a console that most people don't have (given 16-bit and all)
you saw and replied to one of my comments before on how the 2 endings of help wanted 2 can't both be canon since a time paradox would occur, so maybe you'll see this one too. So- and you might have already thought about this before, but i just want to mention it since i don't really see anyone talking about it- golden freddy isn't evident to even be in the fnaf 6 fire. the main 4 were broken down and melted into remnant and injected into the funtimes, eventually meeting and then separating from elizabeth (circus baby) leading to molten freddy (the original 4) and scrap baby being in the fnaf 6 labyrinth. scrap trap is obviously wiliam, we play as michael, lefty contains charlie, and henry is in a room nearby. none of these characters contain golden freddy. i think this could potentially answer the question; "how can cassidy trap william in ultimate custom night but the others cannot?" it's not really known if the others have actually moved on or are still present and hidden in the newer games, but if they have moved on, cassidy hasn't, and could be able to trap william in UCN due to still being a roaming spirit. i think this claim could be supported by how andrew in Room 1280 is visible to all of the nurses and is roaming the hospital while also keeping the corpse alive. it's able to protect william's body to preserve it so it can remain in torment, because it's still a physical spirit. what are your thoughts?
Want to know what else shakes up the fnaf Timeline in ITP, a Redditor user pointed out how there’s an earth map and if you take a look at the map….Madagascar is on the right side instead of the left side, Japan and British islands are gone, America’s being disconnected. What exactly happened…….
You are the only FNaF Theorist that pronounces Hurricane correctly! I know it doesn't matter, but it drives me crazy when it's mispronounced. THANK YOU!
I think the arcade games, and to an extension the games that the rogue indie developer made, have been altered by the spirits, probably Charlie to be accurate enough to be solved
I'd like to address the spinoff thing: While Scott didn't correct Dawko calling it a spinoff, I don't think that effectively proves it's not mainline. Help Wanted was originally intended to be a fun novelty VR game before it was expanded into a full-on game. So even if Help Wanted is mainline now, calling it a spinoff technically wouldn't be incorrect. It's only fair that we should apply the same logic to Into The Pit, since Scott also said it "turned into this big, full fledged full sized game." Considering Into The Pit presents itself as mainline, even if it was originally intended to be a spinoff, I think it's safe to say it is mainline now
The thing is Into the Pit was called a spin-off after it was finished, and Help Wanted wasn't meant to never reach the fan base initially. I personally don't think ITP presents itself as mainline, but to each their own
@@IDsFantasy That doesn't really change anything. It's still the same situation. They both started off as one-off novelty things that eventually expanded into something more. The exact specifics of how that happened with either entry don't matter in the bigger picture. And like I said, calling Help Wanted a spinoff technically wouldn't be incorrect, so ITP being called a spinoff doesn't mean anything either ITP presents itself as mainline just as much as every other mainline game does
At this point they should just treat the books in the lore like pre fnaf help wanted games. They were made to “poke fun” at the franchise but the events did actually happen just slightly different.
The whole point of Help Wanted was that they were passing off real events as fictional, on to mention SB relies heavily on FNAF 1-6 having happened via Pizzeria Simulator. Imo them being in VR doesn't mean they didn't happen as shown, it's just for the sake of the irl fans
What if the "strange fire" thing was about "What we found" story? As far as i know, it's the only fire that happened in all of these stories and had Springtrap hooked to a wall, unable to escape the fire. I will just guess that the whole timeline of the Frights takes place before Pizza Sim. Plus, the only thing that burned at Pizza Sim location was an underground ventilation system that, logically, wouldn't be accessible to anyone, even the paramedics, i bet Henry made sure of that. My point of the timeline is: Henry wants to burn William, he finds Springtrap after the FNaF 3 fire, but this time, Springtrap gets hooked to a wall, and burns down with the place. After this, he becomes the "Man in room 1280", and all of that happens. And, after dying (again) from the Puppet, he reemerges as Scraptrap with all the power he's left with.
Fair, but even if it was only the lower parts of the building burned, it was still a fire site, and with the whole founder of Fazbear Entertainment thing and the Puppet, I would be astonished if it was What We Found. Plus William's body explodes prior to any of the epilogues, so I don't think it would work for him to come back after as Scraptrap
@@IDsFantasy There is only one way: Afton Amalgamation didn't truly die. I can't properly explain since i haven't read the epilogues. Can you describe it to me how he died, so I'd know better? About blowing up, that's valid, but agony infested things can grow organic parts inside of them, Pit Bonnie being the example. Can't the same thing happen with the remains of Afton in the Fazbear Frights (any point in the timeline of FF) ?
PS. That can also explain why Glitchtrap in Princess Quest one is a giant black rabbit, that can use tentacles to attack its victims, just like Eleanor: same creatures of agony, different sources, perhaps.
@@IDsFantasy Although i have one theory how Afton could pull himself back, and could potentially explain everything but I'd need to explain it in Discord or something
For me books work like this: their events and original characters are uncanon but all concepts, objects, posible scenarios and everything that explain certain things from games are real and canon to the games. The books help us understand snd expand the lore of the games bu they are completly uncanon to the timline from the games.
Here's the thing though. If "Into the Pit" is still only in the book timeline, why turn it into a game then? Scott stated himself that the games and books were each their own canon timelines, so why adapt one thing into the other if doing so would make that canonicity confusing? My theory is that by making it into a game "Into the Pit" has become a sort of nexus point in the FNAF multiverse. It is an event which takes place in several if not all universes with some of the smaller details differing between them. In the book timeline, it's just another instance of someone else getting caught up in the tragedy of Fazbear's. But in the game timeline, it's more directly connected to the people who witnessed/participated in the original downfall of Fazbear's and the Afton family.
I don't like the Freddy bully theory, at least the way game theory presented it. The only bit of evidence towards it was the Freddy mask, with the rest of the video bending evidence to fit a preconceived conclusion, rather than the evidence leading towards that conclusion. Like, Mega Cat Studios was not measuring the pixels on the monitor so that they could point people towards Oswald's Dad being the Freddy Bully.
Well, Oswald's dad could be Henry's eldest son. Haven't played the game yet, but it would make sense if the Freddy bully and Sammy Emily were the same person.
@@galactic06 It’s not like the Bonnie Bully theory where it actually has more than the mask for it. There’s more evidence for that to make it work. The Freddy Bully theory is a bit eh. I think it needs a bit more to stand on before it can walk.
Sorry for the long comment but I feel the basic understanding is that if Stitchline is confirmed by Into the Pit then the relevant Frights stories need to be explained and i think i got it. *Into the Pit* has no evidence for being after FNAF 6 nor does some of the other Frights stories. Sure it's implied but the stories that are basically the origin of Stritchwraith itself ( *Fetch* and *The Real Jake* for example) have no concrete set date to happen. Theres nothing stopping some of the stories to take place long before Stitchwraith. Ones like Out of Stock, *1:35 A.M.* and *Step closer* obviously all happen after Stitchwraith as we know they collected the pieces of the animatronics and stuff. But the stuff like Eleanor creating the Plushtrap chaser (which we know that it existed for a while since people repeatedly kept sending it back to the store) and terrorising people in *1:35 am* , *Step Closer* , *Blackbird* and *Hide-and-Seek* don't need to be around the same time as Stitchwraith. I'm just saying there can be time jumps in between stories. Like: *Room for one more* obviously takes place before Sister Location which has SnackSpace from *Into the Pit* mentioned in it *Prankster* has Glitchtrap in it so its after Help Wanted was in development. *What We Found* is basically a retelling of FNAF 3 *Room 1280* says William has been there for a long while after FNAF 6, all these are years apart from eachother so stories can happen at any point in the canon. So *Into the Pit* ,*Fetch* , *The Real Jake* and all the stories where Eleanor was involved with creating things like *To Be Beautiful* can happen years before FNAF 6. Eleanor and the Stitchwraith can do there own thing for a long while from when they are created And then the stories like *Room 1280* and everything we know the Stitchwraith is connected with can happen after FNAF 6. If Into the Pit is indeed canon to the games then it can make sense when you consider there is a gap in time between the stories. This explains how and why we see *Fetch* , *To Be Beautiful* and *Count the Ways* can be in the game, because they happen before Oswald goes in the pit. *Here's addressing some possible contradictions:* The Easter eggs are not canon as the developers said and the Stitchwraith can appear in Oswald's window because they do exist at that time. I know you guys will say no because Andrew went into Fetch after William exploded in the factory but his spirit was split across many things when that happened and nothing really says Andrew was in Fetch during *Fetch* and could easily of latched to Fetch as it would of had agony from being beaten up like what happened to the Mimic. Fetch can just be a faulty product, it may be a lame answer but not everything can be great (Fazgoo and Springtrap pregnancy anyone). Eleanor is still a mystery but if she is indeed and agony creature created after either Elizabeth’s death, the agony collected from the kids William experiments with in his bunker (my personal belief) or just is Shadow Freddy like people have theorised before, nothing is stopping her from existing for a long time until we see her in the Stitchwraith stingers. What do you all think?
There lies the problem in it being Fetches battery in which Andrew does have to posses though, and there’s no other for Andrew to be in the stitch wraith before FNaF 6 for as I recall by hear say that they spend the majority collecting everything Andrew had possessed. It just doesn’t seem plausible for William afton to explode after the stitch wraith.
I mean he took into consideration the Hurricane stuff, and made sure the towns mentioned nearby were accurate for the novel trilogy. Why wouldn't he have just named it Hurricane Middle School if that's where it was meant to be?
It confuses the heck out of me how the FNAF fandoms uses the terms canon and continuity. It’s fine to use words how you wish/eclectically but a lot of talking past each other happens because the creator was loose with his words to his mostly young fandom.
I've always wondered if Scott, as a religious man, meant "canon" in the biblical sense, leaning more towards the notion of being official than towards continuity. As if the books and games and movies can be equated to the four gospels, which aren't all consistent, but do come together to give a clearer picture of the overall narrative through different perspectives.
Love this theory - I feel like Scott's perspective and headspace when making the games could give soooo much insight into how story bits fit together.
Interesting!
I think he's actually pretty clear about that. It also gets compared to comic books, where there's often multiple "canon" timelines.
It actually bugs me a little, because when FANS ask about canon, they're pretty consistenty asking to confirm details about the game continuity. Not only did he sidestep the question, but he essentially forced a fairly inconvenient shift in the language needed to discuss the subject.
There are so few "confirmed canon to the game continuity" details in this series that it feels almost cruel.
I always took it as more of a comic book multiverse type thing like yes what happens in DC's Earth 1 and Earth 2 are Canon to each other Because they do cross over sometimes but just because Batman retires in Earth 2 doesn't mean that he retires in Earth 1.
What we missed! ID, your MatPat is showing.
Where ?!!?!?!
@@I_The_grim_REAPER_I On the Thumbnail
@@Pulsarnix That was a Spongebob reference
@@pimple6380not what they meant-
@@Yuki.starler I meant the "where" comment was Patrick's follow up
I love how your new sprites are kinda a mix of the og and the hired art sprites. It really shows how much your art has improved!
what happened with the sprites
@@honeyybutter she used to have someone else draw them but she switched back to drawing them herself
Thanks!!!
@@IDsFantasy omg you’re welcome!!!
So "Stitchline Games" could now mean a series of games based on the Stitchwraith storylines instead of, or confusingly in addition to, the current meaning
Yeah lol
I always use books as stand alone "this COULD happen in this universe" to show us the rules / expectations, not the literal what happened.
Me to. I completely agree.
This is EXACTLY it. I’ve struggled to verbalize this but this is exactly how I feel.
@stick7962 No, they don't. They treat themselves as an AU version of events parallel to the games. The timelines don't match up, and the characters don't all follow the same paths.
@stick7962 Tales is different. But the Fazebear Frights books aren't canon with the continuity of the games. There are too many plot holes and events that don't line up, as well as characters that don't even exist in the game universe.
@@stick7962 Oswald, Andrew, Sarah, Etc. All characters that don't exist in the games. And Into the Pit doesn't count, as it's based off the book series and not the game series.
Somethings I want to point out are some changes in the stitchwraiths design. 1) He has two eyes now. 2) He has a open mouth filled with teeth. 3) His battery is not visible. 4) HE IS BREATHING. In all honesty he looks like Nightmarrionne, which I think may be intentional.
Interesting
@@IDsFantasy Yeah, the biggest part for me is the breathing. That is a trait only shown with characters such as the nightmare animatronics.
If the game into the pit is in the game continuity I think the most likely scenario is that Scott is remaking Fazbear frights stories and these remakes are in the game continuity(not the original stories themselves, just the remakes of them).
Personally,
Scott should’ve just come out and say something about future installments and at least give us simple hints with what’s going on in the FNAF lore. I’m just tired of this book debate and this anniversary made me stop caring about it.
I’m rather gonna make up theories not because I want to solve the lore, but mainly I enjoy this franchise so much and I want to see more FNAF content in the future.
One thing is… ever since VIP came out, I completely went through a breakdown of the Tales Games tsunami because that book seemed to imply Tales Games- when it Into the Pit Game came out early, I was going to give up and leave on the community and lore because of admitting defeat for good. But then when I heard about Stitchline Reboot, I end up coming back and decided to hang out by NOT caring about the book debate.
I really enjoyed this video even though I’m a Stitchline Reboot believer. But I’m really curious for you to talk about VIP and talk about how it has affects the Gameline. I love your content btw
It feels like the theme of the future games being the Ripple effects caused by the Aftons is also being done with agony manifestations. It's odd to me that most agony fueled stuff is just... mimicking the event that made them?
Also glad you're on the haunted games train! That ties in with help wanted and keeps the spooky supernatural elements as well as the AI stuff. I like the idea of AI learning from ghosts for some reason 😅
My theory is that Talegames wasn’t originally canon, but when Scott and Steal Wool had to course correct after the blunder that was Scott’s handling of Security Breath, they used Tales from the Pizzaplex as a blueprint.
I agree with John Fuhnaff that the mimic was probably always intended, with multiple references so a mysterious unnamed animatronic being used for free labor. But when Security Breach realised the way it did, they used the Minic from Tales that we were already familiar with instead of whatever it was originally supposed to be.
Even if they did use Tales as a blueprint, I’m still not sold on Tales itself existing in the mainline continuity now. Largely because of how they introduced the Mimic in Ruin in a way that _really_ does not line up well with Tales.
We’re told explicitly by Gregory that the Mimic has been trapped down here for “a REALLY long time” (he doesn’t even say “I think”, this is stated as though it’s something he knows for a fact), and we encounter a security system created for it that’s designed to look like 80s-era technology. This strongly implies that the Mimic was down in this bunker (even if not trapped in that specific room until recently) for around *50* years. Meanwhile Tales depicts it being brought to the FFPS location _during the Pizzaplex’s construction,_ which would only allow it to have been down here for about *5* years by the time of Ruin.
This is on top of the Mimic being described as a super complex endoskeleton comparable to the Glamrock endos in the epilogues, whereas in Ruin his design is dramatically more simple.
Tales may have been the blueprint, but I think they diverged quite a bit.
@@stick7962 You are confusing canon with being similar. Elseworld DC comics are events that happen and often times similar to "canon" continuity but they aren't the canon timeline. That's the case with tales. They are events that happen but are not "canon" because they are slightly apart from what actually happened.
@@stick7962 The Movie is an example of an alternate timeline. The events are similar but not the same. What evidence do you have they are canon?
Talesgames feels canon, while I don't think FrightsGames makes any sense.
@@stick7962 In what way? All it does is say it takes place after the events seen in the game.
It's stated in the early synopsis' of the tales of the pizzaplex books that the stories are set in the world of the "newest games." The Fazbear frights and interactive novels are what I believe is "some are, some don't, I'm sure you can figure it out" while the original novel series trilogy was "those specific events didn't happen in the games but we have clues for you to decipher the games".
Pretty accurate description of the books and I believe it was theorized or confirmed (I don't know which) that the stichwraith stories and fazbear frights stories mentioned in the stichwraith stories are considered canon
My "problem" with this story is that if it's only a memory/vision/whatever in that sense, it's ok, we can deal with it. I personally like the idea that the place is full of powerful emotions connected to this event and Oswald is just seeing them; but if it's actually a time travel, as the marketing made it seems, the things gets really weird. 😅
Yeah lol
I have been brewing a Theory I call FazProp [Fazbear Propaganda]. While it probably is NOT Scott's plan, it seems to be what Steel Wool is trying to tell.
Basically the main gameplay from the 6 OG games [anything that shows up in Help Wanted or Tales/Frights] is what HW says on the tin: Games by an indie dev, sponsored by Fazbear Inc to make light of and distract from the actual crimes [like how someone with no concept of history in the 80's can think Jeffery Dahmer only exists in Netflix].
The things that are NOT remade in the Steel Wool games, specifically the 8-bit mini-games, are, similar to the pre-tales interpretation of Glitch Trap, haunted copies of the games that we as players get a hold of, the ghosts trying to tell us the real story [with us, the players being 4th wall break inserts into the story].
Using this logic, anything that gets a cameo in SW games, like Fetch, Scrap Trap, Scrap Baby etc, is a fictional in-universe distraction story, similar enough to be used to deny the actual events.
Under this premise, the Fazbear Frights books [and possibly the Tales books] were in-universe tie-in merch, possibly in the form of comic books [based on Gregory's comic book page endings], in this case for Fazbear's Fright, the actual location that the in-universe FNaF3 analog [and the What We Found story] was based on. The actual location was probably either an ongoing thing, or a seasonal haunted house.
This is why there are clusters of analogous characters like Ennard/Stitchwraith/Tangle [although Stitchwratth is alternatively analogous to Golden Freddy, and the Tangle/Blob can be a version of the Afton Agony Amalgam / TrashTrap]. There was an in-universe thing that we might see in a Steel Wool game [probably the Mimic...] that all those book things were based on. Why would ScrapTrap and other things that only Henry and Michael saw have merch and arcade games [and be named as such] if they weren't fictional distractions [but still loosely based on actual events]?
Yes there are holes, and I am not sure what to specifically to with the Epilogues [Stitchwraith/Mimic] and their related stories yet. They may be the book equivalent of the haunted arcade games, where only our copy in-universe has them, not the in-universe release copies, like how the copy of the Security Logbook just happened to be previously owned by Michael Afton and haunted by his brother and one of William's victims.
I mean, the whole point of Help Wanted was they were passing off real events as fictional, so I do think the events of the VR games were real, but that's fair
love how you said "the yellow rabbit killing six kids" instead of "the mci" good attention to detail
Yeah, I feel like people ignore the fact that in Into the Pit the kids weren't really missing at all lol
@@stick7962 yeah its important to realize the game doesnt take place in 1985 it takes place in an agonized corrupted memory of 1985 likely in oswalds/whoever is in the pits head
So happy to see a full video on this. Thank you for giving us a broader perspective on such a pivotal game from such a pivotal year in the franchise.
No problem!
The thing I don’t like about the books being super canon to the main continuity, is how much my suspension of disbelief goes out the window with 3D glasses that make you see Ballora hunting you down
Fair enough lol
This is how I interpret the books
It show stories that makes us question some events or makes us think more of a little detail
That includes book that goes detail on characters
When I heard 'But hey,' I knew you were gonna make that joke 😅. Also, I think it is interesting to think that somebody's memory of Afton is a monster bunny thing, adult or kid. But that's my take on it, at least. For all we know in that continuity he WAS a monster bunny thing. (Imagine. I honestly don't know which would be scarier, a golden bunny monster version of Afton, or ACTUAL Afton. I'll take the bunny, cause he doesn't always come back).
Also, the little Freddy plushie on your desk in the little cartoon thing (there is probably a name for the cartoon facecam things, but I can't remember it) is adorable!!
The memory of the yellow rabbit being a monster is not far fetched. The game tell us that they knew that someone used the spring bonnie suit during the mci, so the memory of the people would make the yellow rabbit a monster since there isn't someone to directly point at
@@Blastham That's true
I have a theory. Afton killed the first 5 children. The Mimic did the rest of the murders, and made the Funtime animatronics, because Afton needed the FNaF 1 animatronics parts, but he couldn’t get them, because he was Springlocked for 30 years in the safe room, and Michael would be roughly in his 60’s in FNaF 3, and he looks about 20-30 in Sister Location, which means the Funtime animatronics are made, so how could they be made while Afton was Springlocked? The Mimic did it.
I feel like the interactive novel coming out about Into The Pit will clarify a lot about whether it’s in continuity or not.
Possibly!
If they do make fazbear frights game adaptations here are there changes I want.
1. The puppet carver: instead of making it about fazgoo make it about porter and his special machine that can created wooden animatronics.
2. He told me everything: instead of fazgoo being a product made by fazbear entertainment and having it steal on your organs and identify make it more like the ooze/mutagen from TMNT perhaps a fazgoo monster that can shapeshift, also change the name of it as well.
3. In the flesh: instead of a digital springtrap getting mat pregnant make it more like it’s slowly corrupting him and trying to take form in the real world.
These are just ideas.
Haven't read the books, but with in the flesh they can have it be akin to the Alien series where a monster is injected and burst out of the guy's stomach.
@@zenvariety9383 that was definitely the intention with original the story so I agree they just have to lean into it more (and have it chest burst instead of having him cut his stomach open)
I really appreciate having additional evidence one way or the other on the continuicity of the game of "Into the Pit."
Loose speculation or "feelings" about certain aspects of the franchise are important and sometimes necessary, but it can also be frustrating only having this basis of "I believe it to be the case."
Yep
IDs Fantasy dropping bangers has just become the norm
XD
There's only one of three phrases that need to be in the title of a FNAF Theory video to get me to click on it SOLVED, WE WERE WRONG, or BREAKS FNAF!
"what we missed" in the thumbnail... "that's just a theory"... maybe *i* got transported to a different timeline
Thought it would be funny to reference Game Theory since the video released in close proximity to me being on GTLive lol
This is the only channel I watch for FNaF lore.
I'm glad you like the channel!
WEE WOO WEE WOO
Peak is here
Also
Good job with speedruning this video before the second GT-NOT-Live episode with you came out
Thank you XD
So that’s the deal people have with using the books as lore, makes a bit more sense now
I'm glad!
This is so unrelated to anything, but love that you pronounced “Hurricane” in Utah correctly! 😁
I'm glad XD
Into the Pit could explain why we see Freddy, Bonnie, and Chica, but not foxy. Modern FNAF seems to be about the people who were affected by Aftons evil, and the bullies from FNAF 4 were the ones that caused some of it.
It explains Springbonnie’s voiceline where he says, “I’ll make you suffer just like I did”, which is referring to making Oswald suffer, so his dad can suffer like he did. It also could explain why we find a Freddy mask, and that Oswald somehow knows about the looks of Freddy and the gang, despite never going to Freddy fazbears.
Michael Afton was the one who wore the foxy mask, and since he hardly shows up, it’s a reflection that Michael is out of the picture, but his 3 bully friends are still around.
It’s a stretch, but it’s not far off. I do love modern Fnaf’s take. FNAF 1-4 was about the evil deeds and aftermath of Williams sins, with Sister Location - UCN is the conclusion to everything, then we get Help Wanted and the future releases which seem to dig up the past, while telling a new story to characters who are reflections of past characters, while also bringing back characters we never thought about.
I do love how Modern FNAF is doing this!!!! 😱😀👍
It's pretty neat
Indeed it is.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS IDEA SO MUCH AND IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. I think Tom(game theory) also mentioned this too!
Yeah, and while Gregory is a mimic of Crying Child, Vanessa being a mimic of Elizabeth, and Glamrock Freddy’s nature being a mimic of Michael’s protective nature, we get Cassie, who has colors that are similar to the Bonnie Bully from FNAF 4, and we have Oswald, which knows of the Fazbear gang despite not going to Freddy’s with a Freddy mask in the attic, which is awfully a big coincidence. 🤔
Overall, I’m excited to see who we are playing as in Secret of the Mimic, and Game Theory is right, we need to keep an eye out for the Chica mask, because that could indicate the Chica Bully from FNAF 4? 🤔🤷
Finally, another ID’s Fantasy video proper. Glad to have ya
:D
Honestly, I've come to the conclusion that FNAF has become more akin to a Lovecraftian Mythos, in that the stories are all part of the Mythos, but not really all that often connected to one another (or even same universe). I've also come to the conclusion that this fact actually solves why "Security Breach: Ruin" doesn't seem to cleanly follow "Five Nights at Freddy's: Security Breach". This belief is actually helped by the Dawko Annniversary interview revealling that Scott's story never actually made it to Steel Wool for the production of the main game, I think RUIN follows Scott's Story, not Steel Wool's, but they do occur in the same Mythos and still affect one another.
I think Ruin takes Steel Wool's story and guides it back in the direction of Scott's. I don't think it rules out anything in SB from being in the continuity
@@IDsFantasy I don't think it ignores or decanonizes anything, but I think it's more like both are just now "Tales from the Pizzaplex", the Security Breach happened, but no particular ending matters or connects to Ruin because how the tale ended isn't as important as it occurring in the first place (despite Steel Wool's endings being fairly incompatible with each other).
I also think Steel Wool, Scott, and Vanny in universe used Game Design to trick basically everyone in the theorist community (including myself) about what was going on in the Plex during RUIN but that's a completely different matter.
Honestly, another absolute banger of a video. I genuinely forgot that 6 did have a set location and would've never thought to try and link this to the locations in the books/ITP game.
Thank you! And yeah, I forgot as well until I was working on this video lol
My opinion this is one of the rouge inde developer ( older Oswald) games like the ones that “ discredited the faz bear legacy” as mentioned in help wanted but the book version is the real story
Interesting, though that still has the whole Westbrook issue
@@IDsFantasy yea good point on a side note have you thought of doing a q and a for 200k subs?
A GAMEEEE THEORYYYYYYY 😂 we love to hear it, I love this though
I'm glad!
Yeah, I see the books as some kind of « This is possible in this universe » and also parallels to characters and events in the game.
Although, it isn’t impossible that some events in the games could be similar to some stories in the books. Not the Exact same, but close.
Yep!
OG style ID is back
Wasn't it directly stated that they had to make a multitude of changes throughout the development of the game so that it wouldn't contradict with anything? If it's not part of the game universe, what would there be to contradict? It's clearly not in the book universe, so based on them working so hard to make sure there's no contradictions that pretty much confirms it to be in the game universe IMO. Unless you wanna say it's in the movie universe I guess
Thing is, what was it avoiding contradicting? The games? Canon as a whole? There's plenty tbh, and given the Vanny sprite in the files it could also be like, time period stuff
I mean to be fair there's no reason to believe that Westbrook is based upon a specific real life school, considering how generic the name is already, with there being 3 real life locations, it'd make sense scott would want to use a name like that for the fictional school; although it'd make sense to not use a real life school for a fictional story just for reasons of creative freedom
My question is why bother not naming it after Hurricane if this was supposed to be in Hurricane?
@@IDsFantasy fair point, that would be more sensible of a name
Completely agree with the fact Into The Pit is NOT within the same continuity of the game universe. I’m very excited for Mega Cat to work on a sequel! This game was so well made and had an absolute blast playing it. Great video!
Thank you!
Random crackpot theory I got as a result as Into the Pit: 1985 isn't the date of the MCI, but the DCI. The MCI likely happened much earlier, possibly before the bite of 83. If the games are canon to some degree, then it wouldn't make sense for Oswald to have seen an agony recreation the MCI, since the bodies are right there for everyone to see.
One of the main themes I've seen lately is don't trust anything, so this theory of mine is a result of my personal descent into the ever maddening abyss of fnaf lore and how things we've been theorizing about for a little over 10 years at this point could be wrong. Regardless of Into the Pit possibly taking place in the fnaf 1 location (depending on what you believe) The Week Before mentions that they love to remodel the place, so who's to say they didn't remodel the fnaf 2 location after the DCI and bite of 87 closed it down and remodeled it to the fnaf 1 location as a means to cut corners?
The DCI has to be in 87 due to being in the FNAF 2 location, which was only open for a couple weeks, but it's an interesting idea
Loving the new artstyle
Thanks! I figured I'd switch back to doing all the channel art myself, so I'm glad you like it :D
8:27 YES THANK YOU FOR THIS POINT i can't see scott's storytelling philosophy changing that much that this quote isn't still relevant. this is a personal opinion of scott's that seems pretty unlikely to significantly change.
another great vid, well done )
Thank you!
Things I think.
1. I think theirs a possibility that into the pit the game could be a in universe game made by fazbear entertainment llc due to the 2d pixel artstyle.
2. Maybe the ITP game is just a new fnaf game timeline and separate from the mainline games, like how the silver eyes trilogy is clearly different from the fazbear frights boi series.
3. I like to think that if none of the books are canon then what we see is simply Scott taking certain ideas/concept’s from the books and adding them to the games.
4. I think we could possibly get a sequel or prequel to into the out where we play as Oswald again or someone new.
5. I’m a huge fan of the theory of Oswald’s dad being the Freddy mask bully and if pittrap is meant to be a agony representation of William it make sense that someone acting like William would want to target someone who was bullying and killed his son.
Welcome back we missed you
I love how memories come into play! It's one of the better of the recent additions to FNAF IMO
Yeah!
scott is a genius he rewrote 4 games
(first 3 stories and Fetch from Fazbear Fright)
and THEY will be canonical and the books will not
The FNAF lore is incredibly detailed and layered, with numerous spin-offs, side games, and books adding more depth to the story. Each game reveals new pieces of the puzzle, making the lore an ongoing mystery for fans to decipher.
However, predicting the future of the FNAF lore involves a mix of known elements and speculation about where the story might go based on existing themes.
Yep
Oh my, you pronounced the city’s name properly _and_ mentioned that the flag changed. As a Utah enjoyer, colour me impressed! I also never considered that Westbrook could be a street. I had previously assumed Stitchwraith Stingers storyline must take place in Maine. That is a very interesting interpretation, I like that a lot.
Although I overall do not expect this to be an overly convincing point for most people. I have seen people argue that Mr. Scott B. Cawthon is moving away from referencing real places in his works. Think to _The Scoop_ in _Five Nights at Freddy's : Fazbear Frights #12: Felix the Shark_ (2022) for instance, where Amanda Mason visits a Utah settlement named Peace Valley, which is completely fictional. Even the original description of Hurricane is not particularly accurate, seeing as _Five Nights at Freddy's: The Silver Eyes_ (2015) described it having a forest, which is very much false for the real location. For these reasons one could reasonably argue that a fictional street named Westbrook could exist in this forest having Hurricane. Or even that the fictional school could be named after someone named Westbrook, which is a real family name.
I think your primary point in the video is very much interesting, Miss Identification Document Fantasy, do not get me wrong, but ultimately I very much doubt it will convince a lot of people.
ShyGuyMike spotted 👀
@@Ender-01o I am like a cryptid. Only occasionally seen in the wield.
Thanks!
It's not actually a street, it's a neighborhood, but otherwise fair. I will say I do get that perspective, but The Scoop was scrapped, and even if the landscaping of Hurricane is inaccurate, the general locations are accurate that are established in the books and the games, and I don't see why Scott wouldn't have just called it Hurricane Middle unless it wasn't in Hurricane.
But yeah. Honestly I didn't expect to convince a ton of people no matter what evidence I gave. People have the theories they like, myself included, and will often just try to interpret things in a way that's most convenient for what they already believe. Oh well.
I am glad you thought the video was interesting!
Freddy Fazbear: Into the Five-Nights-Verse!
Every piece of FNAF media is canon, but the details that don't match up one-to-one are things that happen in parallel universes.
But, I'm just guessing.
Well, it’s all canon. It’s all from Scott’s mind. 😳 🤣🤣 But, I agree. I think this game is not supposed to be a canon to the other games or the books, but a retelling of the book, and just a fun spin off game.
Exactly!
I'm just waiting for Scott to FINALLY ADMIT a FNAF-Multiverse..... fr tho
not many people make books based on games. and then make games based on the books. all we need now is a game based on the movie and we've come full circle.
XD
Your basically thinking the same thing I am. On the canonicity of the books that is. I was think the books ant canon but some of the plots in the books are. I'm not just talking about the Fazbear frights books, but also the silver eyes novels. I believe that Fazbear fights books, and the silver eyes novels are somewhat connected. I also believe that Circus Baby, and Scrap Baby aren't the same animatronic. Which I am planning to make a video on my channel at some time to explain why I think that.
Interesting
"the books are canon in the same way the games are" is a strange way to word it... so either we take the games and books at face value (which doesnt make sense), but to me, that wording seems to imply that both have bits of truth in them, but neither are a perfect 1 for 1 of what happened. with that in mind for the VR games, saying that the earlier games might have exaggerated what happened... brings back the "nuggets of truth" that might be spread around. the things that they all agree on are definitely the most important footholds we have, and the things that are similar between them all are definitely important to consider. i feel like into the pit (both versions) was made as a way to tie together what we should be looking at, like an official nudge that both are of the same importance in some way.
The yellow rabbit in ITP is an agony demon made from the MCI.
Seems like it
Cool video and love the retelling of stories outside of both continuities. Why I still can't get it out of my mind that this is just a retelling of MM in more detail. No one will ever convince me a kid smashed his window to run away nor the fact that a three toed animatronic was present.
ID you should go read those pages of the silver eyes 156-157. Where Charlie goes to Fredbears with John which is not a very far drive from where they are when they go to Freddy's prior. The quote from those pages describes Jeff's as you see it during Into the Pit and it matches exactly... Oh and the Mediocre Melody ties and Magic Wand in the back room of Jeff's. Think this is also your JR's location in MM as the book points Fredbears out as a dance hall for kids and a bar simultaneously.
“There were double doors to the right with circular windows (leading to the arcade in Jeff’s). Unlike the dining area, which was breached with sunlight, and the sounds of the outside, the room behind the double doors was still pitch black. John was more interested in this than Charlie, and he carefully peered into one of the windows, obviously tempted to nudge it open and see what was inside. Charlie left him to his curiosity and walked further into the dining room, which she only knew as the dining room through memory. Now it was a vacant and lonely room, stretching long and narrow, at least 50 feet, growing darker as it went. There was a slightly elevated stage at the end of the room (Jeff’s pizza long dining room), and Charlie realized as she looked around at the place, it had probably once been a dance hall, and the long desk by the entrance that her parents had used for a cash register had probably been a bar. She went over to it and saw that she was right there was even grooves and scratches in the wood floor were even barstools had once dug their feet. She tried to picture it, a dark bar with a country western band playing on the stage, but couldn’t”.
Weird huh? Bar with a 50 foot dining room with an elevated stage at the end? Where Charlie tried to picture a country western band playing?
And what do you see in the back room of Jeff’s? (The back room with spare parts).
The ties and other parts of the Mediocre Melodies.
The bar was the family diner. It was meant for kids and adults.
Yeah. This is Jeff's... just like it was Fredbears Family diner and JR's.
I liked the books more than the games in terms of story telling for some time now but honestly having more adaptations like into the pit seems like the perfect thing the franchise needs right now with dissatisfying story of security breach and honestly the fact 3 of the last 4 major games were VR
I think Oswald's Dad was still physically in the pit; following the book. And what we see, is Oswald's Dad mentally trapped in the agony-infused memory balls (pit), which is a theory brought up by RyeToast.
Based on the assumption that Oswald is the first kid to wake up the 'Yellow Rabbit,' the agony creature may have physically been in the pit.
Perhaps William used several Spring Bonnie suit and hid one in the pit. Or, a spare lab.
I agree with the overall theory, although I would say that the evidence surrounding Utah and the location of Westbrook Middle School is a bit weak to be the main piece of evidence proving that Into the Pit isn't in the game continuity. The world of FNAF is obviously based off of real life, just as you've shown with Utah being a prominent location in the franchise, but that does not mean that the real life locations have to match up one to one. Just like how FNAF pizzerias don't actually exist in Utah, Westbrook Middle School can just as easily be a fictional school. Not to say that it's not a interesting bit of supporting evidence, but by itself, it doesn't really hold up as a 'main' piece of evidence. Besides from that little nitpick, great video!
See, my thought process there is that since Freddy's is supposed to be in Hurricane, why even name the school Westbrook if you're going with a fictional name? Idk if there is a Hurricane Middle, but why not call it that? The name Westbrook seems intentional given Scott kept the Washington County stuff wholely consistent and there was an irl Westbrook Elementary
@@IDsFantasymaybe it’s just me but Westbrook seems like a generic fictional school name you’d fine in a movie and by that logic midnight motorist can’t be cannon because it takes place in a forest and those aren’t near hurricane
I have a love hate relationship with this game. I’d like to add I think that what goes on in the ball pit IS time travel. Because things you do in the pit, affect what happens in the present.
I actually have a different reason for that! I think since the building is haunted, it makes sense that the supernatural things effect the normal stuff, just like how posters and stuff can change in FNAF 1 sorta thing
Very interesting! Another thing to consider why Into the Pit isn't or can't be in the main game continuity is the implication of Afton throwing the Spring Bonnie suit in the ball pit to hit the evidence (Spring Bonnie being the only thing that's real also doesn't have a body inside) instead of the animatronic being left in the backroom to get boarded up.
Interesting... especially since Afton in The Man in Room 1280 doesn't have the suit at all
In I.T.P., why do we see the bodies night 1, then on later nights see the main cast acting strange, but we are always able to hide inside Golden Freddy?
I’d like to hear everyone else’s opinions. Personally I think it’s because Cassidy was removed from G.F. or never placed inside in the first place, as I believe Henry was still wearing G.F. by this point.
The reason I believe that is my personal bias that Midnight Motorist is about how Henry as G.F. is luring CC away from his home to keep him away from William.
The memories in the pit are distorted and twisted. On later nights we don't see the police or any trace of it so we can't take everything from 80's gameplay literally(but easter eggs, lore elements etc are should be taken literally)
I sincerely doubt oswald's school not being real is significant proof that itp isn't canon to the games. It would be an absolutely terrible idea for him to use a real location like that, it would potentially encourage people to trespass, which is especially bad when its something like a school that has children there all day. And has he ever used a specific, real life location in anything fnaf other than hurricane utah itself??? It's just not good evidence, the rest of the video is really good though!
The thing is pretty much every other continuity does have real locations, and the school is shut down. The movie is Granite Falls, Minnesota (Sparky's is an actual place btw), the game has Washington County, and the Trilogy has Hurricane and I believe it's school, New Harmony, and I think Silver Reef? I just don't see why Scott wouldn't have called it Hurricane Middle School, but instead name it after a different place that does exist unless that was important.
Glad you liked the rest of the video!
I like to think we just have a bunch of universes under five nights at freddy's name - Mainline games, Sliver eyes, Frights, Pizzaplex (still debatable), Movie, and now Game frights. All different universes with separate stories but the same premise and rules.
Also Good vid ID, keep it up game theorist
Agreed!
Thank you :D
The cabinet theory makes a lot of sense considering the possessed phone in The Week Before 👀👀
Yep!
ID’s back!! 😊 (I’ll watch this later)
I love the drawing in the corner! Idk what it's called, lol but it's a really cute alternative to a facecam
I don’t think that we should be looking at the stories as Canon to each other, but more so as the events of both the stories and the books as being canon in the Fnaf universe. Kind of like how there are many different vampire movies, but it is canon across most vampire movies for sunlight, garlic, and wooden steaks to be effective. I think these stories are more so trying to tell us what signs and symptoms to look out for or so to speak, how what is cannon in the general “fnaf universe”. Think Marvelverse, but “Fnafiverse”.
Exactly
I just realized how tall pit Bonnie actually is, he’s twice the size of oz’s dad. He’s gotta be at least 10 feet tall, probably more
When i heard it was a spin-off game, i assumed that, unless it's proven otherwise, the spin-off games aren't necessarily in same timeline as the mainline games. Good to know you think it isn't 👍
@Sonicmid that doesn't mean canon. that just means it didn't fit with the lore of fnaf. is there any real confirmation where they say "it's canon to the games universe" and not just speculation and hopeful guessing?
Why can’t Scott just confirm the connection of the Fazbear Frights books and the main games?
Seriously, just one Reddit post would help everyone.
If I were cynical, I would say that leaving this ambiguous gives people more incentive to buy the books from both sides, one trying to debunk their place in the main continuity, the other trying to prove their place in the main continuity.
I am not cynical though, thankfully that phase died in 2020, so I get the feeling Scott just doesn't want to confirm such a major part of theorising through a Reddit post. Especially with SOTM coming up, we could likely see something close to confirmation as to which side is correct.
@@LimboTheWatcher in my opinion it being vauge is good because both sides of the argument can be right. If you want to interpret the books as canon you can and if you don't want to you also can. Everyone wins
Ahh a fnaf theory not over 20 min thank you ID 🙏🏽
No problem XD
The plane from the movie could totally just exist as a toy in the game universe.
Like I said, I'm not counting that for this video
The game was always "intended to be in the hands of the fanbase", just not digitally, as a limited physical release.
I was going off of how Scott said "so we obviously decided to venture away from strictly the cartridges so that everybody can be able to play it", but fair enough. Either way though, it wouldn't make much sense for something that was always intended to be a main game would be a limited edition thing for a console that most people don't have (given 16-bit and all)
you saw and replied to one of my comments before on how the 2 endings of help wanted 2 can't both be canon since a time paradox would occur, so maybe you'll see this one too.
So- and you might have already thought about this before, but i just want to mention it since i don't really see anyone talking about it- golden freddy isn't evident to even be in the fnaf 6 fire. the main 4 were broken down and melted into remnant and injected into the funtimes, eventually meeting and then separating from elizabeth (circus baby) leading to molten freddy (the original 4) and scrap baby being in the fnaf 6 labyrinth. scrap trap is obviously wiliam, we play as michael, lefty contains charlie, and henry is in a room nearby. none of these characters contain golden freddy.
i think this could potentially answer the question; "how can cassidy trap william in ultimate custom night but the others cannot?" it's not really known if the others have actually moved on or are still present and hidden in the newer games, but if they have moved on, cassidy hasn't, and could be able to trap william in UCN due to still being a roaming spirit. i think this claim could be supported by how andrew in Room 1280 is visible to all of the nurses and is roaming the hospital while also keeping the corpse alive. it's able to protect william's body to preserve it so it can remain in torment, because it's still a physical spirit.
what are your thoughts?
Want to know what else shakes up the fnaf Timeline in ITP, a Redditor user pointed out how there’s an earth map and if you take a look at the map….Madagascar is on the right side instead of the left side, Japan and British islands are gone, America’s being disconnected.
What exactly happened…….
THANK YOU!!!! I made a very similar video to this and got dragged by Stitchwraith believers. 😂
No problem! Can't say I'm surprised 😅
You are the only FNaF Theorist that pronounces Hurricane correctly! I know it doesn't matter, but it drives me crazy when it's mispronounced. THANK YOU!
No problem! It drives me crazy too XD
I think the arcade games, and to an extension the games that the rogue indie developer made, have been altered by the spirits, probably Charlie to be accurate enough to be solved
Possibly!
I'd like to address the spinoff thing: While Scott didn't correct Dawko calling it a spinoff, I don't think that effectively proves it's not mainline. Help Wanted was originally intended to be a fun novelty VR game before it was expanded into a full-on game. So even if Help Wanted is mainline now, calling it a spinoff technically wouldn't be incorrect. It's only fair that we should apply the same logic to Into The Pit, since Scott also said it "turned into this big, full fledged full sized game." Considering Into The Pit presents itself as mainline, even if it was originally intended to be a spinoff, I think it's safe to say it is mainline now
The thing is Into the Pit was called a spin-off after it was finished, and Help Wanted wasn't meant to never reach the fan base initially. I personally don't think ITP presents itself as mainline, but to each their own
@@IDsFantasy That doesn't really change anything. It's still the same situation. They both started off as one-off novelty things that eventually expanded into something more. The exact specifics of how that happened with either entry don't matter in the bigger picture. And like I said, calling Help Wanted a spinoff technically wouldn't be incorrect, so ITP being called a spinoff doesn't mean anything either
ITP presents itself as mainline just as much as every other mainline game does
@@IDsFantasy fnaf world is a canon spinoff lol
Never said a spinoff couldn't be. Just that it put it into a grey zone
At this point they should just treat the books in the lore like pre fnaf help wanted games. They were made to “poke fun” at the franchise but the events did actually happen just slightly different.
The whole point of Help Wanted was that they were passing off real events as fictional, on to mention SB relies heavily on FNAF 1-6 having happened via Pizzeria Simulator. Imo them being in VR doesn't mean they didn't happen as shown, it's just for the sake of the irl fans
Lol I imagine kids in Westbrook Elementary who like FNAF playing Into the Pit and going like holy shiiiiit
Yeah XD
What if the "strange fire" thing was about "What we found" story? As far as i know, it's the only fire that happened in all of these stories and had Springtrap hooked to a wall, unable to escape the fire.
I will just guess that the whole timeline of the Frights takes place before Pizza Sim. Plus, the only thing that burned at Pizza Sim location was an underground ventilation system that, logically, wouldn't be accessible to anyone, even the paramedics, i bet Henry made sure of that.
My point of the timeline is: Henry wants to burn William, he finds Springtrap after the FNaF 3 fire, but this time, Springtrap gets hooked to a wall, and burns down with the place. After this, he becomes the "Man in room 1280", and all of that happens. And, after dying (again) from the Puppet, he reemerges as Scraptrap with all the power he's left with.
Fair, but even if it was only the lower parts of the building burned, it was still a fire site, and with the whole founder of Fazbear Entertainment thing and the Puppet, I would be astonished if it was What We Found. Plus William's body explodes prior to any of the epilogues, so I don't think it would work for him to come back after as Scraptrap
@@IDsFantasy There is only one way: Afton Amalgamation didn't truly die. I can't properly explain since i haven't read the epilogues. Can you describe it to me how he died, so I'd know better?
About blowing up, that's valid, but agony infested things can grow organic parts inside of them, Pit Bonnie being the example. Can't the same thing happen with the remains of Afton in the Fazbear Frights (any point in the timeline of FF) ?
PS. That can also explain why Glitchtrap in Princess Quest one is a giant black rabbit, that can use tentacles to attack its victims, just like Eleanor: same creatures of agony, different sources, perhaps.
@@IDsFantasy Although i have one theory how Afton could pull himself back, and could potentially explain everything but I'd need to explain it in Discord or something
I loved this game so much. Got 30 hours and almost all achievements in a week’s time and I can’t wait for more from Mega Cat Studios
Heck yeah!
For me books work like this: their events and original characters are uncanon but all concepts, objects, posible scenarios and everything that explain certain things from games are real and canon to the games. The books help us understand snd expand the lore of the games bu they are completly uncanon to the timline from the games.
Well, technically they're canon, but in terms of continuity yeah I'm pretty much in agreement
Here's the thing though. If "Into the Pit" is still only in the book timeline, why turn it into a game then? Scott stated himself that the games and books were each their own canon timelines, so why adapt one thing into the other if doing so would make that canonicity confusing?
My theory is that by making it into a game "Into the Pit" has become a sort of nexus point in the FNAF multiverse. It is an event which takes place in several if not all universes with some of the smaller details differing between them. In the book timeline, it's just another instance of someone else getting caught up in the tragedy of Fazbear's. But in the game timeline, it's more directly connected to the people who witnessed/participated in the original downfall of Fazbear's and the Afton family.
Love you vids keep making more
Only canon thing from ItP is Oswald's Dad fate. But like not the in game one. Only that he have a son. You kniw the Freedy Bully
I don't like the Freddy bully theory, at least the way game theory presented it. The only bit of evidence towards it was the Freddy mask, with the rest of the video bending evidence to fit a preconceived conclusion, rather than the evidence leading towards that conclusion. Like, Mega Cat Studios was not measuring the pixels on the monitor so that they could point people towards Oswald's Dad being the Freddy Bully.
Well, Oswald's dad could be Henry's eldest son. Haven't played the game yet, but it would make sense if the Freddy bully and Sammy Emily were the same person.
@@galactic06 It’s not like the Bonnie Bully theory where it actually has more than the mask for it. There’s more evidence for that to make it work.
The Freddy Bully theory is a bit eh. I think it needs a bit more to stand on before it can walk.
Sorry for the long comment but I feel the basic understanding is that if Stitchline is confirmed by Into the Pit then the relevant Frights stories need to be explained and i think i got it.
*Into the Pit* has no evidence for being after FNAF 6 nor does some of the other Frights stories. Sure it's implied but the stories that are basically the origin of Stritchwraith itself ( *Fetch* and *The Real Jake* for example) have no concrete set date to happen. Theres nothing stopping some of the stories to take place long before Stitchwraith.
Ones like Out of Stock, *1:35 A.M.* and *Step closer* obviously all happen after Stitchwraith as we know they collected the pieces of the animatronics and stuff.
But the stuff like Eleanor creating the Plushtrap chaser (which we know that it existed for a while since people repeatedly kept sending it back to the store) and terrorising people in *1:35 am* , *Step Closer* , *Blackbird* and *Hide-and-Seek* don't need to be around the same time as Stitchwraith.
I'm just saying there can be time jumps in between stories. Like:
*Room for one more* obviously takes place before Sister Location which has SnackSpace from *Into the Pit* mentioned in it
*Prankster* has Glitchtrap in it so its after Help Wanted was in development.
*What We Found* is basically a retelling of FNAF 3
*Room 1280* says William has been there for a long while after FNAF 6, all these are years apart from eachother so stories can happen at any point in the canon.
So *Into the Pit* ,*Fetch* , *The Real Jake* and all the stories where Eleanor was involved with creating things like *To Be Beautiful* can happen years before FNAF 6.
Eleanor and the Stitchwraith can do there own thing for a long while from when they are created
And then the stories like *Room 1280* and everything we know the Stitchwraith is connected with can happen after FNAF 6.
If Into the Pit is indeed canon to the games then it can make sense when you consider there is a gap in time between the stories.
This explains how and why we see *Fetch* , *To Be Beautiful* and *Count the Ways* can be in the game, because they happen before Oswald goes in the pit.
*Here's addressing some possible contradictions:*
The Easter eggs are not canon as the developers said and the Stitchwraith can appear in Oswald's window because they do exist at that time.
I know you guys will say no because Andrew went into Fetch after William exploded in the factory but his spirit was split across many things when that happened and nothing really says Andrew was in Fetch during *Fetch* and could easily of latched to Fetch as it would of had agony from being beaten up like what happened to the Mimic. Fetch can just be a faulty product, it may be a lame answer but not everything can be great (Fazgoo and Springtrap pregnancy anyone).
Eleanor is still a mystery but if she is indeed and agony creature created after either Elizabeth’s death, the agony collected from the kids William experiments with in his bunker (my personal belief) or just is Shadow Freddy like people have theorised before, nothing is stopping her from existing for a long time until we see her in the Stitchwraith stingers.
What do you all think?
There lies the problem in it being Fetches battery in which Andrew does have to posses though, and there’s no other for Andrew to be in the stitch wraith before FNaF 6 for as I recall by hear say that they spend the majority collecting everything Andrew had possessed. It just doesn’t seem plausible for William afton to explode after the stitch wraith.
@@SkeldarkUmbras the battery is an issue sure but the fact not everything is 1 to 1 with the og book it's not a problem with the theory
plot twist, William was just slandered, and what actually killed 6 children was the yellow rabbit in into the pit
XD
I don't understand. What does any of this have to do with the Afton's time-traveling remnant war with Charlie and Evan?
You're so right, I'm sorry for not addressing that in the video o7
Scott has ocarina of time'd the fnaf timeline with this time travel
The Westbrook stuff just FEELS wrong. Like it’s way too overboard and not something Scott would even take into consideration.
I mean he took into consideration the Hurricane stuff, and made sure the towns mentioned nearby were accurate for the novel trilogy. Why wouldn't he have just named it Hurricane Middle School if that's where it was meant to be?
11:13 OH MY GOODNESS THAT WWS MY COMMENT ON ONE OF UR COMMUNITY POSTS THANKS 4 PUTTING IT IN THE THEORY
Thanks for telling me about it! I hadn't noticed initially and thought it was a great point
@@IDsFantasy thanks bro! Ill be sure to let you know about any other details that might be important
a game based on the books, based on the games
oh.... that hurt to actually type out
Wow, haven’t seen this art style in a while. Not bad.
Your FNAF videos are always exceptional!
Thank you!!!
I HAD NEVER RECOGNIZED THE FLAG IN INTO THE PIT HOLY AAAAA
Glad I could point it out then!
It confuses the heck out of me how the FNAF fandoms uses the terms canon and continuity. It’s fine to use words how you wish/eclectically but a lot of talking past each other happens because the creator was loose with his words to his mostly young fandom.
Yeah, it takes some getting used to