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- Some tips and tricks on inverting the Thrustmaster T-LCM sim racing pedal set.
This could be 'inverted' by simply remapping the clutch and gas pedals in-game, but I do a hardware swap of key components in this video to permanently change it to an inverted pedal set.
This is not necessary, and you could simply remap the clutch and gas pedals in-game, after swapping out the springs.
(For a more detailed look on how to open the TLCM up, check out Sim Racing Garage's video.)
A wife with soldering skills, great catch.
Wow... The soldering skills of your wife are impressive.
I love this, instead of relying on a company to fix thing you take into your own hands and fix it the way you like it
Best looking "homemade" rig I've ever seen! Good job sir!
THANKS so much! I should post its build video...have some footage, just never edited it....
I was looking around for some videos/ideas for inverting my TLCMs, I prefer having the "regular car pedal" feel. My ankles are pretty tight, so it somewhat hurts to left foot brake and keep my feet in that position, so I may have to dive into this project soon!
Hold the mode botton until light flashes to green for imverterd modd on TX servo
With the ThrustMaster Servo Base you’re actually able to simply switch mode settings swapping Gas with Clutch without having to re wire or take anything apart. I can make a tutorial if anyone is interested
Yep, definitely worth mentioning! Makes this a lot simpler.
Currently waiting for this lol
Please share it!
Oh yeah! Vid pls.
yup very easy, and you can just swap the springs if you want the original feel in each one.
Bloody brilliant well done
I remember doing this on circuit boards where it seems the same connector on 2 harness, and I resolve it just switching some wires in both harnesses if the potentiometer is the same. Sorry if I couldn't explain very well. Cheers 🥂
Great diy!
sick video my dude, i mainly only play assetto i just changed the metal pedals and in the axis assignment section clicked the clutch for gas and gas for clutch haha
Hahaha, yeah, that's a LOT simpler! 😁
@@Polymer works a treat lol might open it up and put a stiffer spring in it thought like you did haha
@@swingking08 Stiffer springs for gas and clutch help a lot (for me). I also want to try this DIY brake mod from Sim racing Corner (looks better than most that cost more): th-cam.com/video/OmA11LLa9Yo/w-d-xo.html
I use that brake mod, only red (very slightly firmer) skate board bushings instead of the purple, and I've gotta say, it's awesome, it's transformed my T-LCM's brake pedal control.
@@PistonBrokeGaming Awesome! Unfortunately I am traveling right now, and don't have my T-LCMs handy, otherwise I'd definitely do this mod.
(Using two-pedal Fanatec CSL right now, duct-taped together because I misplaced the M4 screws!!! Arghhhh....)
One thing I would really like to do with mine is like you did, change the clutch and throttle spring to somthing stiffer. The clutch spring would be perfect for the throttle for me, but I would like the clutch to be atleast double the resistance it is now.
I wonder if I could make a 2 stage spring set up out of the extra springs that come for the brake? Just somthing to try to mimic the feel of a real clutch where the resistance isn't linear. I'm planning on upgrading the brake with the apex spring mod anyway and also using the reds so the other springs are useless anyway.
Ha! I thought the EXACT same thing: a DUAL RATE or DUAL PITCH SPRING would be perfect. I even tried to solder/braze two springs together, but it didn't work well. Then I looked at having them made, but it's only really affordable at a run of ~500 pieces, and I reckoned I couldn't sell the other 499 all too well.
I inverted mine last night, problem is im using my clutch as the gas, gas as clutch, the clutch spring I didn’t know was much more, idk stronger? The resistance I didn’t think was that much, but I also wonder, the more resistance on your brake the better it is usually you don’t ever want to lock up the tires, so with more weight essentially to what I use now as the gas would that leave me being more accurate on my inputs?
Any idea how to calibrate them after theyre inverted using the T300 wheel base, spring swapped and mounted already? They work right in game, albeit not calibrated. When I open the calibration tool it still shows the now accelerator pedal as the clutch and vice versa.. this mod may be my only choice if I want to calibrate them
What angle did you manage to get for the pedals base?
Hahah your wife seems cool as hell. Nice video. And cool looking rig. I had my throttle pedal spring shear off into two pieces while driving so I'm currently waiting on Thrustmaster to send me a new one but I will probably do what you did and order stiffer springs from McMaster. I've been using the clutch spring for my throttle pedal while I wait and it feels much better than the stock one that sheared. And btw I disagree that inverting the pedals is strictly cosmetic. The heel plate is extremely slippery which contributes to lack of consistency, at least for me. Also, the plastic creaks a fair amount (idk maybe I'm too ham handed (footed?) with my pedals) but does not seem to creak when I have no weight on the base plate so I see your inverted mod as something worth doing. Just need to find a wife to solder my wires and I should be all set. (Make more vids!)
Haha, and thanks for the kind words! Throttle pedal spring shear off? Wow, that's interesting. yep, the clutch spring for the throttle is just about right, IMO. And yeah, the pedals inverted allows me to rest my heels on my [large] wooden rig 'platform', not on the pedal set themselves. Definitely nicer inverted. 👍
Really like your rig, how about a short video on your cockpit, looks great! Also what seat are you using? Thanks for sharing!!!
Yeah, I have all the footage of the build.....just need to edit something together...
Seat is a cheap U$150 one. I'd probably not go with this again. It's decently comfortable, but my main complaint: it doesn't go upright enough, i.e. at it's fullest upright position, it's still slightly too reclined (for my taste): www.ebay.com/itm/363251493098
@@Polymer thanks for the quick reply, yes, I’ve got a ‘cheap seat’ too, and no I probably wouldn’t buy mine again either but it works. I just need to put together a better cockpit and mount the seat with adj rails to it..
@@Walt1119 Ah, the rails: yes, I forgot - that seat came with sliders. Also, just a tidbit for anyone reading this: in my experience, a passenger seat is usually slightly cheaper than a driver's seat (seat controls on the right, vs. left, in the US)
Like you though, the seat works just fine, so I couldn't see myself changing it anytime soon.
The cockpit isn't a particularly easy build....hopefully you can check it out, once I get around to editing it! :)
omg i want to do this sooo much. i dont like the f1 styled pedals and i think my tlcms will feel better when inverted
That's exactly how I feel about them! :)
The fact that my foot rests on MY rig, and not on the pedal base by itself is worth it to me! 👍👍👍
Great video, you sound like Brian Badonde 😀 if you know who that is....booo bello!
Thanks...I think! lol
Had to look Brian Badonde up. :)
Nice video!
May I know the dimension of the original spring for both clutch and accelerator? What is also thr spec of the spring you ise to replace them?
Thank you!
I would have put in the part # in the description, BUT: I can't remember which one I actually ended up using. I had so many springs laying around, I lost track of which ones were which.
Did buy some of them from McMaster; only available in lots of 6. I don't have my notes with me here, so can't even check what the OEM springs were. Suggest you double check the measurements. I used a slightly thicker diameter wire spring than the original clutch spring; and it needed cutting-to-length.
www.mcmaster.com/catalog/9657K453 or www.mcmaster.com/catalog/9657K452
It was one of those, but can't tell you which one......not very helpful, I know. Sorry.
Thanks, it's a big help. 😊
I would like a way to just put the pedals and their frame inverted, cover them up with something but still keep the base and the metal plate on the bottom
Could you not just go into your game settings and swap the controls around for throttle and clutch?
Really cool video. What does the blue bottle cap mod on the inside of the pedals do?
Do you mean as seen at @2:19? That is part of the 'ballast' that Thrustmaster added to the T-LCM from factory; every T-LCM comes with that. It's basically a plastic container that is filled with sand. It's there to add weight to the pedal set. I think the 'benefit' is two-fold:
1) It makes the pedals feel heavy and thus gives the impression of 'well built' as we associate 'heavy' with metal; it's made mainly of plastic so without the ballast it does feel light and 'flimsy'; and
2) the extra weight from the ballast does prevent the pedal set from moving around, if it isn't secured somehow.
I took the ballast out, as it's not needed in my setup.
@@Polymer Maan, I was wondering if I should make that comment, thinking it might be an actual part of the whole construction, but it looks exactly like a plastic water bottle cap hahah
@@ManweruEmanuilov Yeah, it's definitely a bit of "smoke & mirror". When I first unboxed my new T-LCM, I was impressed: "Hmm, nice and heavy - this feels solid!" When I opened it up and saw that plastic bottle ballast with the blue cap: "You gotta be kidding me??!!??" 😁 😲 🤔
You should lower the monitors as much as possible, it is more immersive and realistic to look forward than to look up, you will also have the mirrors at the correct height... Complement the chair at the back, to have a more upright posture and it will be much better for your neck and back.
I suffered back pain for that reason, I bought a good seat from a junkyard for €60 and lowered the monitors and now I play for many hours in a row, I'm 54 years old, from a certain age anything can give you a problem...
i just inverted mine this afternoin, but i didn't touch any wire, just inverted clutchband accel springs, inverted the pedal set, and re-configured in game accel and clutch pedals
Yep, that's in the description, and the easier way to do it. :)
Calibration tool only works when connected via USB.
Hey, do u have a link to those springs?
I would have put in the part # in the description, BUT: I can't remember which one I actually ended up using. I had so many springs laying around, I lost track of which ones were which.
Did buy some of them from McMaster; only available in lots of 6. I don't have my notes with me here, so can't even check what the OEM springs were. Suggest you double check the measurements. I used a slightly thicker diameter wire spring than the original clutch spring; and it needed cutting-to-length.
www.mcmaster.com/catalog/9657K453 or www.mcmaster.com/catalog/9657K452
It was one of those, but can't tell you which one......not very helpful, I know. Sorry.
Will you sell me the original weak spring you removed from the accelerator pedal?
Dang, I'd send it to you for free, BUT I don't have it anymore. All that stuff has been thrown away! :(
I've been racing for awhile with the T-LCM setup & like it. Other than matching the ergonomics of your Mazda 6 style pedals ...I can see zero advantage in doing this. Am I wrong?
It's 'cosmetic' more than anything; I didn't like the idea of my heel resting on the T-LCM, and preferred the clean look of my wooden sim rig.
Definitely a personal thing. I am not faster because of inverting them! lol
@@Polymer I appreciate the reply ...I wanted to know as I'm always experimenting ...& I really like your Rig ...it is very similar to mine.
I too built my own Rig from wood ...while the pedal mounts are adjustable aluminum ...& I use a real car seat ...from a Mazda. Very nice display ...
are they 3 curved monitors? I'm using triple 43 inch 4K TV's. ...thanks
@@MsTheCops Real seat from a Mazda ---> 👍👍👍
Curved monitors, aye, the middle one is a Dell, the outer two are Samsungs (cheap ones)....loking up the specs....found the specs on my 'Monitor Arm extension' video: 1 x Dell 32-inch QHD 1440p (2560 x 1440) Curved HDR; 2 x SAMSUNG 32-Inch Odyssey G5 with 1000R Curved Screen, 144Hz, 1ms, FreeSync Premium, QHD.
Triple 43" 4K??? NICE!!!!!!!!!
@@Polymer Nice set up Poly ...many do not appreciate the"home-built" Rigs. Some can be far more functional & look nicer than the extruded aluminum structures found in the extreme high end Rigs
@@MsTheCops Thanks again. Completely agree with you about DIY vs. Alu Profile rigs, and I much prefer mine. I took video of the build process, but am reluctant to edit & upload to TH-cam, as it would undoubtedly get few views and a high % of negative comments and dislikes: a DIY wooden Sim Rig has to cost no more than U$60 after all; be made of disused wooden pallets, not be painted; only nailed - not glued; and have a car seat from a junk yard for $15....according to YT! 😤🤔😁
If the potentiometers are the same why couldn’t just changing the mapping and pedal feel springs around and just map accordingly without doing all the extra wiring
Aye. Already mentioned in the description!
@@Polymer awesome! Good lookin
@@kolysion164 Yep. That would be the simple solution. I didn't do it that way though.
just press MODE button for 5 seconds 😃
I don't really get the point why you had to exchange electronics. Just define which pedal is what within the game setting
Aye. mentioned in the description.
Y didn’t u just switch the pedal face and springs from the clutch and pedals instead of making bigger wires?
And then calibrate them flip flopped
Already explained in the description. 👍
You didn't have to switch the circuit boards inside the pedal set there's an inversion button on the steering wheel which converts your pedals is switches your gas pedal and your clutch pedal for when you inverted upside down you went through way too much just to do something you will automatically does with a switch
Not on all wheels, no.
But I mention this in the description; what I do in this video is not necessary, as it can be done in software.
I went through this because I wanted to check it out, and remove the weights, and fiddle with it.
Wish my wife could solder
👍
You could have swapped the clutch and gas from the software level
Yep, it's in the description.
"If you're interested in learning the first step toward actually doing this thing I made a video about, you're going to need to go watch someone else's video."
There. I fixed it for you.
Cheers. Definitely seems redundant to make a video on how to unscrew the backing plate, if there's such videos already made.
You took apart the pedal completely unnecessarily. In every game, in the settings, you can specify which pedal should be the gas and which should be the brake and the clutch.......
Yes, exactly: it's mentioned in the description.
Nice setup, but damn it looks like some 1 puked over your rig 🤮
Yeah, I know lol; I wanted to get as far away from ONLY-BLACK-OR-SILVER-ALLOWED as possible. 👍😁
@@Polymer maybe a neon green with purple would do the deal mate 😜
@@henkhenkos8647 Hahaha! Yikes! 🤢
BTW, the colors I used were ones I had (or could use for other things): they're implement/tractor colors: FORD blue, JOHN DEERE green mixed with NEW HOLLAND yellow! 👍