as someone who lives in the inner-west of Sydney, i often ride north to Mt White, Wisemans Ferry, etc, but then finish the ride at Hornsby and catch the train back home. It's a fast, air-conditioned train ride where you can drink a coffee or slurpee while chatting with mates post ride. Riding north early in the morning is fine as the roads are quiet, but avoiding the return ride through the busy suburbs with all the mid to late morning traffic on weekends is great and feels a lot safer.
We have a Chris Miller in our group here in Brisbane. when he turns up to races they see his name and say thanks for coming or should you be in that category. He also said he has like 348 followers on Strava but knows 50 of them 😂
Learned from a pro mechanic how to prep a tire with a tire lever prior to trying to seat tubeless tire. I do this before injecting sealant through valve core. Push one side of tire bead out of valley to the opposite edge of rim then tool the other side all the way around the wheel with your lever. CO2 can compromise your sealant. Love your show, keep up the good work fellas!
In Germany we have the "Tour Magazin" they actually test all bikes in the wind tunnel. They tested the new Van Rysel RCR Dura-Ace Di2 and it's super aero up there with all the full aero bikes but only 6.9 kg for 9k really good value.
I have seen the lower tier ones, with ultegra and force, on the website, but top ones i haven't seen yet. Also 9k seems a bit higher price for what is costume by Decathlon@@SamuelBlackMetalRider
If I remember correctly, they test them with a pedalling dummy (essentially a lower body dummy), so much more relevant than just the isolated bike standing in a wind tunnel
The Propel is an awesome bike. And people just seem to under estimate Giant. The bikes are fast. Road, Gravel, CX you name it. They are up there with the best and price is better than all with packages you can get. Tubeless syringes only work with sealant that has NO Fibers. I use the Stans race sealant and SILCA sealant and you have to pour in wheels. You cannot use a syringe.
@@bernardo9202trek, Scott, specialised, cannondale and all the other major brands don’t offer a comparable bike to Giant with similar spec. They also give you a range of components on each of their tiered carbon layups, so I don’t really know where you think that they’re not a good value bike is from? They also aren’t the biggest brand in the market, and definitely don’t spend as much as the other big companies in terms of R&D, marketing etc etc
Yeah Cube is 1/100 the brand Giant is, and you can almost have 2 top tier bikes for the price of 1 top tier propel. I'm just saying their prices aren't really that good for end consumer, for how big that brand is. they are cash cows. Also Canyon, Focus, Orbea, and some other brand offer great bikes, for better prices that Giant does. just my point @@niallwoan5847
@@niallwoan5847 And for the price of the top tier propel, in the Uk, Specialized sl8, is the same price, Scott are 1.5k cheaper, Cannondale, yes the lab 71 is 500 pounds more expensive, but the high mode, is 1.5k cheaper likewise Scott, Trek i'm not gonna talk, cause their prices are over the top, for the quality of the bontranger components
In my opinion, on occasion, driving to a destination to ride is worth it, to explore new roads/hills/views not available on your local routes. Keeps you fresher for those efforts. Not to mention the time savings otherwise, if you have to be home by a certain time.
They've tried and still haven't come up with anything special. Function follows form with Colnago and that's always been true. *No idea about their road bike but a friend of mine got laughable results with their TT bike in the wind tunnel.
A banana peel is nutrients for the soil though. If you throw it in a bush or something like that, I can see it being fertilizer, rather than throwing it in the bin where it's likely to get burnt. It may take two years in the wrong conditions, but in an optimal compost pile it can be gone in a matter of days, pretty much.
DHB have had a roadsuit for a few years, it's not quite as fast as a proper TT one but still decently priced and often on sale for £100. Very comfy too!
I have a DHB Aeron Lab road suit, from 2019. Super comfy, and feels fast too. Has 3 proper pockets on the back, same as the Aeron Lab jerseys. Price was also quite decent. Also DHB Aeron Lab bibshorts are very good.
Sepp Kuss is the wonder of this Vuelta - especially given his history as a super domestique. Also, coverage of pro Euro cycling is, regardless of its imperfections, so far superior to what it was in the 80's and earlier, when a week of the TdF consisted of 30 minutes of commentary on the French countryside interspersed with glimpses of cycling, on Wide World of Sports.
@@DavidStacey-tx7oneveryone in the world tour is doping. Some do a better job than others and some people are hyper responders to doses others don't respond as well to.
Honestly, if you can’t win a local crit or road race on a bike around 3K you don’t need to be spending anymore money. And the idea that anything better than a mid-level frame is going to be the difference between 1st or 20th is ridiculous. It always comes down to the rider not the bike
Race wheels became obsolete when disc brakes came. Living in the fjords and mountains with a lot of rain 🌧️ rim brake wheels were replaced almost every year, so many had the race wheels for racing and the few hot summer days.
Colnago are owned by the same conglomerate that runs the team, its really unlikely they would leave as bike partner without the title sponsor leaving as well.
@@andrewcockburn7484 they have with the tt bike, bike brands sell so few tt bikes that the development that went into that bike is never being paid off by people buying it. It exists because the team required a competitive set up for tt's
I have a Giant Propel 2023 model. Can guarantee I love this bike and it is unbeatable for the price I got, considering a price for a new bike today (it was 5.5k for the Advance Pro 0 model).
I relate so much to the skinsuit everyday part of the podcast! Cheaper, better fitting, etc. I bought an Ekoï skinsuit for 135 Euros, a Gobik one for 145 euros and a castelli one for 250 euros. I now only use my bibs when on the indoor bike trainer since it's a bit cooler than a skinsuit.
Great discussion on the tubeless issues I've also experienced. One thing is on the Silca sealant, you can't put that thru the stem b/c of the fibers - it says so on the package. But you can on the refill sealant. That could be part of the issue. Second thing is it's really hard to get the rim tape on properly and I think a big place it leaks is where the stem comes thru. I think when you poke the hole, the cut into the tape can spread too far. I found the silca sealant does a good job sealing around the hole. 3rd is I don't have a plug kit - that plus a hand pump means you could be able to make it back from wherever.
@Jesse Coyle - just get a Pinarello Dogma F RIM frameset and keep of your wheels/groupset. Pretty sure you’ll have a smoking set up then! 👌 #threadedBBtoonocrikeycreaky!
The Vuelta isn't perfect but this idea that it is a bad race is just an overblown meme. Evenepoel, Roglic, Vingegaard, Ayuso, Almeida, Mas... I mean, the depth and quality of top tier GC riders here is better than any grand tour in recent years. The GC couldn't be more finely poised right now. Plus, there are epic 4500 m D+ days in the Pyrenees coming up (Tourmalet finish tomorrow), and the Angliru next week. And yet, it's still a possibility that Sepp Kuss could win the thing, despite nearly every ace not named Pogacar being here. It's bonkers and it's Vuelta and I hope the next week lives up to the hype, whatever happens. It's not a Tour re-run, it's something else. Accept diversity.
UAE owns colnago. There is only one thought on this. Once again those guys lack a basic cycling knowledge and look like total amateurs 😂 I like them, but no way anyone treats those guys serious
Where I live it’s hard to get more than 1000m in elevation in 120km. But driving 45 minutes, I can get a 1600m/90km ride. I don’t mind driving to rides every now and again.
same here. i live in a completely flat place with hills at 30km. sometimes i go there with the bike and do a small round up and down. sometime i drive there so i can ride more up there, having saved 60km from the ride"
Silca sealant, in my experience, won't go through a syringe. I think they need to separate the fiber from the fiber, maybe put the fiber component in a gel type container so you can put the fiber in the tire while you're installing the tire then put then use the liquid for both the first and top up.
I think the AI training will gradually be more and more advanced and also more accurate for every previous input you've made. I imagine in 20-30 years that you will feed it your food, lactate levels, sleep, heart rate, the map course, wind forecast and kinds of stuff and it will give you range that you should be within (let's say watts at 90 cadence) on the fly. And maybe it will say "on Friday is your optimal rest day, on Thursday you would benefit the most of a 98.4km ride at X course". It may seem unrealistic and futuristic but the amount of money poured into this at the moment within so many fields I expect it to develop very quickly. Just look at smartphones and computers in general, it's basically ancient within 5 years.
20 years? Make that 5. What a human coach does is follow a decision tree, overlaying things like scheduling. Most of this can actually be coded, quite easily, today. Most cyclists and coaches aren't exactly rocket scientists either so it's not like whatever they do is going to be hard to replicate. With a team focused on it you can probably get an "AI" coach doing at least 90pc of the same work as a really good human, in a matter of weeks. Especially if you can make the rider do test efforts regularly to validate progress. The science behind training is actually very simple, ultimately. You have a few types of sessions, the volume of each is dictated by very few elements (basically a sliding scale off periodization, overall load tolerance...).
Vingegard probably rides the s5 because it comes close to the weight limit for his size, so he gets a bigger benefit from the aero with no weight penalty.
Part of their contract is they are TOLD what to ride. IYKYK. You really think they want to ride bikes over 6.8kg with mountain bike brakes that dont work consistently as the design team hasnt worked it out properly yet?
@@DurianriderCyclingTips I'm definitely not in the know, and i only ride rim brakes.. but aren't the brakes on both the s and r series the same? I'd be surprised if a double TdF winner doesn't get to choose the bike he prefers from within the brand, but again I'm not really in the know
@@DurianriderCyclingTipsIf those brakes can stop a heavy MTB flying down a steep hill why wouldn’t I want them on my road bike? Plenty of disc brake bikes are under 7kg now. Is that your entire TH-cam career I hear disappearing into irrelevance?
You can shim disc rotors and cassettes really easily so multiple wheelsets match up, and then you just swap wheels with no alignment issues at all, drop them in and go (y)
May I share my most recent tubeless experience? Yesterday I was out on my gravel bike and saw a guy pushing his mtb with a flat on the rear. My first instinct was to stop and help, but then I realized I didn't have a tube, pump, plugs, nothing. I haven't even thought about getting a flat in months. So I just rode past him feeling like a jerk. Given it was a short ride, but it would have never occurred to me that I'm missing those things. On a longer ride the fear of getting stuck 50km from home keeps me prepared, but the last time I got a puncture was a year ago on an xc race, bombing down a rocky trail trying to keep up with full sus bikes on my gravel bike.
Silca brought out their own syringe after I and a few others suggested it. It works well and doesn’t clog up, which is another great device from Silca.
The problem with AI coaching is that people are not honest enough or not inputting accurate data. If you are not honest, don't use consistent data protocols, or simply don't understand where your fatigue/effort levels were, it is not going to be able to properly compensate and "learn". An "in person" coach has the ability to motivate and pick up on subtleties that a computer program cannot. We are not robots. All that said, AI will absolutely be a good option for over 75% of athletes using it and it will be much cheaper. Those looking for the most gains will be using a coach that embraces the AI like Jesse mentioned toward the end. Great show boys!
Talking kit/white bib shorts, MAAP (Cycling Tattooist rock a pair and the light gray ones) and Pas Normal have them. A little rich for many, but still quality bib shorts. An all white NERO kit would look outstanding!!
With multiple wheels for disc brake bikes, I shim rotor on the weel with the disc that is more inboard. It is initially a bit of a pain, but I can change out wheels without messing with the brake alignment.
Jesse should go to one of the few shops which are happy to do a custom build and get the right handlebars, crank, saddle etc. For me this was better value than buying an OEM package.
'Chris Miller hates his commute to work in a bicycle, he prefers a car.' Not sure if that that was the satement, I just jest. 😅 Then again, I refuse to believe I'm alone about loving every minute I spend in a bike.
Don't need a fancy sealant pump, just go to the chemist and get a plastic syringe. Also a good idea to create a vacuum in the tyre before injecting sealant and have the valve slight round from the 6 O clock position.
RE tubeless set up.. if you don’t have a compressor or don’t want to use CO2, I’ve done the late night service station run with $2 Schrader adapter .. totally don’t look or feel dodgy at all 😂 works a treat
So Chris tried to manually pour the tubeless sealant into the valve with core removed and wondered why it was a messy job? Haha!! I run tubeless on one bike and innertubes on others for a few years and still haven't decided whether tubeless is worth the faff.
Unfortunately DHB isn't that cheap anymore. The Aeron Jerseys used to be like 30-40 bucks USD and they had awesome fit and quality...now the Aeron jersey's with a rear zipper are like 120 USD. 😑
The Q.35 only use scott foil for any stage, the new syncros wheels at ~1300gr for 60mm and ~1200gr for the 40mm version. That is really the bike that can do it all.
The driving to rides chat is great - I think anyone living in a city knows the feeling of riding 10km of garbage stop-and-go to finally get out to the open roads, and then knowing the whole ride that the last 10km will suck just as much. I've avoided the temptation to drive out past the main roads thus far but I know everyone is weighing it.
There is a bit of an adrenaline rush for riding in traffic, at least for me, which can keep the HR up a bit, but it's gotten so dangerous to ride in traffic and people get so angry around here at cyclists.
Biggest Vuelta highlight has to be Tony Martin’s full day solo breakaway that was only caught 50m from the finish. And mate living in Europe, Spain is one of the first destinations for cycling trips (Mallorca, Girona, Pyrenees, Canary Islands in winter), those roads mean a lot. Can’t imagine it meaning much elsewhere. Organisation aside, either scrap the third grand tour or keep it in Spain I reckon
Enjoying this channel guys, congrats on lifting the style too. You've kept the casual chat between mates but dropped the little things that grated, eg saying 'like' too much. More polished now without seeming like GCN2. Also enjoyed the few b roll parts, some more would be good. And glad to see some disagreement in there too, shows you are keeping faithful to yourselves. Would really like to see Chris do a comparison in his own way between the 'nero bike' and the Chapter 2.
Peak torque mentioned this but if you don’t like bike prices - buying a frame and parts and building it yourself is usually much much cheaper and allows you more choice than buying a stock bike. Building a bike isn’t that difficult and there’s a video on TH-cam everything you need.
Most of my kit is DHB (as I'm UK based). Managed to pick up a load of it in the closing sales, including their top tier LAB stuff. They are so very very comfortable.
Tubeless tires should go on with a floor pump. If they don't then the tire is to large for that rim. It is recommended to add a couple extra layers of rim tape until it will seal with a floor pump. Tape does of course need to be appropriately wide enough for the internal rim width. If it goes on with a floor pump there is less risk of it blowing of because it means it is tight enough. There is a Rene Herse post on how to set up tubeless tires that I found very helpful. All my tubeless tires were seating with a regular floor pump.
Know what Jesse means re. tubeless faff. But seriously. Specific tl wheelset no holes in rim-bed+ Gp5000str +floor pump equals happiness. Still amazes me my tyre goes on straight away with just a floor pump after finally getting the str's. Think is just the tyres as have needed a booster pump with others . Also sometimes if your "no holes rim" loses air usually its losing air around the valve hole. Had that issue at first with the "universal" valve I first got for my wheels as had to jam them on super tight to fix problem. Was doing my head in at 1st until I found the problem.
I’ve always despised driving to a ride. Keep in mind that it’s customary in my part of the world for rides to start at 6:00am, so driving more than 30min means getting out of bed before 5:00am. It has to be a REALLY enticing route.
Regarding tubeless, next time you have a tyre deflating overnight, check the sidewalls in a few inches of water, it’s usually where they leak and generally sealant won’t work here.
Regarding the ai training tools, im pretty sure that trainerroad does most of what you describe already. Individual plans, accounting for races, vacations, sickness, etc.
Hot ride for hours, yes! Put hydro pak in freezer day before so it’s cool on your back and melts as you ride. Stops on ur ride use to piss me off but now I look at it as a rest period to drink and catch my breath.
Yeahh... I purchased disc brake bike recently and it seems awful that nobody tells hub's rotor spacing is different among brands. So if you want to swap wheel to have less issue, you need to purchase the same hub wheels (or maybe same hub brand at least) Actually there is some very thin rotor spacer for aligning the rotor spacing, so you may use it.
When you released your kit with black shorts, my first thought was, it looks so much better with blue or white shorts. You dont have to be Remco or Mathieu to wear white shorts ;)
Driving to rides is the only reason I have a car! I probably wouldn’t drive to a road ride of less than 50km, but mountain biking almost depends on a car at times!
I was on Jesse's boat and ended up with Soloist and very happy with it. Frame is half the price of S-works and alike. Performance is probably absolutely 0 difference. It's a little heavier but don't care. Looks beautiful. It's pretty much just like a Giant Propel in the looks department too (which was the other bike I was considering)
The Vuelta is going up the Aubisque and Tourmalet today Chris, no Dolomites or Alpe d… as you put it but surely these are worthy climbs of any grand tour.
Would love to see some back to back testing from Jesse on his current bike v.s. something super aero. Say at Heffron, riding solo and seeing if it results in faster lap times, lower heart rates etc etc.
I've had a few tubeless punctures (slices) that wouldn't seal with a dynaplug - what's annoying with a dynaplug is that it has a tip on it so if you wanna put a tube in you gotta cut the tip off.
I check around probably every week or so for a new bike 4-7k€ budget and after 10-20 minutes of browsing I always arrive at the conclusion that it's just not worth it. Dropping that kind of money on an 8kg bike just rubs me the wrong way. On the off chance that I find something that I can somewhat get behind it's so beyond out of stock that I just give up entirely. Framesets are insanely overpriced and most of the faff I can do without. Wish I would've bought the old canyon ultimate with ultegra rim and mechanical shifting. lower 7kgs stock and 2,7k if I remember correctly. For now I'm holding out until the market stabilises again and the decent mid range bike makes a come back. As a european I really got my eyes on Decathlon though. They're about to enter the WT with AG2R and I look forward to their upcoming line up. Maybe that will make me bite the bullet but let's see.
O o o ... guys! 😉 I get the point of starting fresh into a ride ... my toothbrush lifts my spirit. ❄️ Back to chewing gum. I may be wrong ... but to my knowledge the gum base in chewing gum is made of resin, wax and ELASTOMER ... i.e. plastics. ... the stuff is everywhere 🫣 It is not long ago that it came to my attention. But it got me to reconsider a habbit. 🤔 Love your 'thing'! Keep it up 👊
Wheels! I always thought of it as not wearing out my best expensive wheels unless it was for a race. With disk breaks you don’t wear them out so just keep them on all the time. … get the SL8!!
The reserves have a second divot next to where the rim beads and it allows for the pressure to build up before it beads. It issss a massive pain if u run tubes cuz it’s super hard to de bead without sealant to lubricate the bead coming back
Trying DHB Aeron bibs again after riding BSC for a while. Main difference so far is DHB pad is much wider at the back, maybe as they build for all riders, so wider seats. Where the BSC has narrow pad. Let's see how they last and feel for longer rides.
I think the same all the time Jesse when I see these nice new shiny bikes on the bunch rides, and think to myself I’m loosing speed and watts here have a look online out of curiosity and the reality hits that there 15-20k and don’t come with components that suit my fit. There heavier than the bike I’m riding, harder to work on and will depreciate rapidly. I think the disc bikes are getting better every year and are not too far off selling it to me but at the moment it’s just not there. Save yourself 15k and keep the bike you are on. Spend it on a holiday instead! Proving your riding good tyres, saddle , drivetrain and bars there is little in it. Buy yourselves a compressor from bunnings. I picked one up for about $180 a couple years back and it makes setting up tubeless tyres easy.
as someone who lives in the inner-west of Sydney, i often ride north to Mt White, Wisemans Ferry, etc, but then finish the ride at Hornsby and catch the train back home. It's a fast, air-conditioned train ride where you can drink a coffee or slurpee while chatting with mates post ride. Riding north early in the morning is fine as the roads are quiet, but avoiding the return ride through the busy suburbs with all the mid to late morning traffic on weekends is great and feels a lot safer.
That does make sense. I get up 5:30 to avoid traffic outbound - but on the return I'm stuck with heavy traffic.
Hot takes on La Vuelta... Lineup-wise this has to be the best grand tour of the year. Plus GCKuss is the best thing to happen to cycling in 2023
agreed, cant get enough of GCKuss.
I’m waking up 6a West coast to watch! GCKuss!!
We have a Chris Miller in our group here in Brisbane. when he turns up to races they see his name and say thanks for coming or should you be in that category. He also said he has like 348 followers on Strava but knows 50 of them 😂
The new graphics are really cool, well done! :)
Glad you like them!
Learned from a pro mechanic how to prep a tire with a tire lever prior to trying to seat tubeless tire. I do this before injecting sealant through valve core. Push one side of tire bead out of valley to the opposite edge of rim then tool the other side all the way around the wheel with your lever. CO2 can compromise your sealant. Love your show, keep up the good work fellas!
In Germany we have the "Tour Magazin" they actually test all bikes in the wind tunnel. They tested the new Van Rysel RCR Dura-Ace Di2 and it's super aero up there with all the full aero bikes but only 6.9 kg for 9k really good value.
Did they release the bike already?
@@bernardo9202in France yes, I’ve seen riders with it. Looks reaaaaaally nice tbh!!
I have seen the lower tier ones, with ultegra and force, on the website, but top ones i haven't seen yet. Also 9k seems a bit higher price for what is costume by Decathlon@@SamuelBlackMetalRider
they sent a ringer with a very. narrow prototype one piece bar.
If I remember correctly, they test them with a pedalling dummy (essentially a lower body dummy), so much more relevant than just the isolated bike standing in a wind tunnel
The Propel is an awesome bike. And people just seem to under estimate Giant. The bikes are fast. Road, Gravel, CX you name it. They are up there with the best and price is better than all with packages you can get. Tubeless syringes only work with sealant that has NO Fibers. I use the Stans race sealant and SILCA sealant and you have to pour in wheels. You cannot use a syringe.
They just have really shity pwintjobs :/
It's the biggest company in the market, and the bikes aren't really a good price for the package imo
@@bernardo9202trek, Scott, specialised, cannondale and all the other major brands don’t offer a comparable bike to Giant with similar spec. They also give you a range of components on each of their tiered carbon layups, so I don’t really know where you think that they’re not a good value bike is from? They also aren’t the biggest brand in the market, and definitely don’t spend as much as the other big companies in terms of R&D, marketing etc etc
Yeah Cube is 1/100 the brand Giant is, and you can almost have 2 top tier bikes for the price of 1 top tier propel. I'm just saying their prices aren't really that good for end consumer, for how big that brand is. they are cash cows.
Also Canyon, Focus, Orbea, and some other brand offer great bikes, for better prices that Giant does. just my point
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@@niallwoan5847 And for the price of the top tier propel, in the Uk, Specialized sl8, is the same price, Scott are 1.5k cheaper, Cannondale, yes the lab 71 is 500 pounds more expensive, but the high mode, is 1.5k cheaper likewise Scott, Trek i'm not gonna talk, cause their prices are over the top, for the quality of the bontranger components
In my opinion, on occasion, driving to a destination to ride is worth it, to explore new roads/hills/views not available on your local routes. Keeps you fresher for those efforts. Not to mention the time savings otherwise, if you have to be home by a certain time.
UAE is not getting rid of Colnago. A UAE COMPANY own Colnago. They will just throw money at it to build a super aero machine.
They've tried and still haven't come up with anything special. Function follows form with Colnago and that's always been true.
*No idea about their road bike but a friend of mine got laughable results with their TT bike in the wind tunnel.
Owning colnago is such a UAE thing to do. Trophy wife equivalent of cycling
@@veganpottertheveganthey don’t need aero. They got Pogi
Love it when you are in the same room. So much more energy.
Fun fact.
A Banana peel takes around 2 yrs to decompose. Some gum can take up to 500.
I stopped throwing any kind of food leftovers near any road, because it only draws wildlife near it.
PLEASE do not throw gum on the ground. Stick it your bars and dispose into a bin. It's no different to throwing a cigarette butt on the ground!
A banana peel is nutrients for the soil though. If you throw it in a bush or something like that, I can see it being fertilizer, rather than throwing it in the bin where it's likely to get burnt. It may take two years in the wrong conditions, but in an optimal compost pile it can be gone in a matter of days, pretty much.
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Thanks for the mention lads, love the show! keep up the good work. They were indeed some "hot takes" from LeMond
I got to ride the latest disc propel. SLUGGISH AF compared to the rim brake sub 6.8kg version in 2015.
Rim for road, disk for dirt IYKYK.
The Propel was never a light weight bike to begin with too
DHB have had a roadsuit for a few years, it's not quite as fast as a proper TT one but still decently priced and often on sale for £100. Very comfy too!
I have a DHB Aeron Lab road suit, from 2019. Super comfy, and feels fast too. Has 3 proper pockets on the back, same as the Aeron Lab jerseys. Price was also quite decent. Also DHB Aeron Lab bibshorts are very good.
Sepp Kuss is the wonder of this Vuelta - especially given his history as a super domestique. Also, coverage of pro Euro cycling is, regardless of its imperfections, so far superior to what it was in the 80's and earlier, when a week of the TdF consisted of 30 minutes of commentary on the French countryside interspersed with glimpses of cycling, on Wide World of Sports.
Kuss is raced the Giro and tdf yet shows no sign of weakness all in a single season. Sure sign Jumbo are doping
much better than the 80s......agreed
@@DavidStacey-tx7oneveryone in the world tour is doping. Some do a better job than others and some people are hyper responders to doses others don't respond as well to.
tubeless here too. I do now carry a TPU tube since they are so light,
Honestly, if you can’t win a local crit or road race on a bike around 3K you don’t need to be spending anymore money. And the idea that anything better than a mid-level frame is going to be the difference between 1st or 20th is ridiculous. It always comes down to the rider not the bike
Thanks for having me. Glad to be here at the 50 min mark. Happy Days
Still watching. Great convo guys
Race wheels became obsolete when disc brakes came. Living in the fjords and mountains with a lot of rain 🌧️ rim brake wheels were replaced almost every year, so many had the race wheels for racing and the few hot summer days.
Colnago are owned by the same conglomerate that runs the team, its really unlikely they would leave as bike partner without the title sponsor leaving as well.
Sky worked with pinarello to bring their bikes up to standard. There's no reason why UAE couldn't do that with Colnago.
@@andrewcockburn7484 they have with the tt bike, bike brands sell so few tt bikes that the development that went into that bike is never being paid off by people buying it.
It exists because the team required a competitive set up for tt's
I have a Giant Propel 2023 model. Can guarantee I love this bike and it is unbeatable for the price I got, considering a price for a new bike today (it was 5.5k for the Advance Pro 0 model).
I relate so much to the skinsuit everyday part of the podcast! Cheaper, better fitting, etc. I bought an Ekoï skinsuit for 135 Euros, a Gobik one for 145 euros and a castelli one for 250 euros. I now only use my bibs when on the indoor bike trainer since it's a bit cooler than a skinsuit.
Great discussion on the tubeless issues I've also experienced.
One thing is on the Silca sealant, you can't put that thru the stem b/c of the fibers - it says so on the package. But you can on the refill sealant. That could be part of the issue.
Second thing is it's really hard to get the rim tape on properly and I think a big place it leaks is where the stem comes thru. I think when you poke the hole, the cut into the tape can spread too far. I found the silca sealant does a good job sealing around the hole.
3rd is I don't have a plug kit - that plus a hand pump means you could be able to make it back from wherever.
Make sure u take Chris along if/when u go bike shopping. Think this is the most excited I've seen Chris all year! haha
I love how excited you were to see each other ❤😂, you maybe didn't think it but tis is the best for a while, absence makes the heart go fonder 😂
@Jesse Coyle - just get a Pinarello Dogma F RIM frameset and keep of your wheels/groupset. Pretty sure you’ll have a smoking set up then! 👌 #threadedBBtoonocrikeycreaky!
Super six evo hi mod! Sram red 10 speed RIM BRAKE, MAGIC!
The Vuelta isn't perfect but this idea that it is a bad race is just an overblown meme.
Evenepoel, Roglic, Vingegaard, Ayuso, Almeida, Mas... I mean, the depth and quality of top tier GC riders here is better than any grand tour in recent years. The GC couldn't be more finely poised right now. Plus, there are epic 4500 m D+ days in the Pyrenees coming up (Tourmalet finish tomorrow), and the Angliru next week. And yet, it's still a possibility that Sepp Kuss could win the thing, despite nearly every ace not named Pogacar being here.
It's bonkers and it's Vuelta and I hope the next week lives up to the hype, whatever happens. It's not a Tour re-run, it's something else. Accept diversity.
I highly doubt that UAE will drop Colnago any soon, since Colnago is owned by Chimera Investments, based in UAE. Thoughts?
UAE owns colnago. There is only one thought on this. Once again those guys lack a basic cycling knowledge and look like total amateurs 😂 I like them, but no way anyone treats those guys serious
Where I live it’s hard to get more than 1000m in elevation in 120km. But driving 45 minutes, I can get a 1600m/90km ride. I don’t mind driving to rides every now and again.
same here. i live in a completely flat place with hills at 30km. sometimes i go there with the bike and do a small round up and down. sometime i drive there so i can ride more up there, having saved 60km from the ride"
Thank you for another Podcast ❣️🙏👌
Thanks for listening
Silca sealant, in my experience, won't go through a syringe. I think they need to separate the fiber from the fiber, maybe put the fiber component in a gel type container so you can put the fiber in the tire while you're installing the tire then put then use the liquid for both the first and top up.
i had the same thoughts
Yeah that's right, ironically if they actually watched Francis' top ten things a mechanic loves they would know that coz it's in his top ten lol
A lot of Silca stuff is overrated…
The Look 795 blade RS is the only bike I’d contemplate buying right now.
I have the 2024 Propel SL 0, but I would also happily ride that bike.
I think the AI training will gradually be more and more advanced and also more accurate for every previous input you've made.
I imagine in 20-30 years that you will feed it your food, lactate levels, sleep, heart rate, the map course, wind forecast and kinds of stuff and it will give you range that you should be within (let's say watts at 90 cadence) on the fly. And maybe it will say "on Friday is your optimal rest day, on Thursday you would benefit the most of a 98.4km ride at X course".
It may seem unrealistic and futuristic but the amount of money poured into this at the moment within so many fields I expect it to develop very quickly. Just look at smartphones and computers in general, it's basically ancient within 5 years.
20 years? Make that 5. What a human coach does is follow a decision tree, overlaying things like scheduling. Most of this can actually be coded, quite easily, today. Most cyclists and coaches aren't exactly rocket scientists either so it's not like whatever they do is going to be hard to replicate. With a team focused on it you can probably get an "AI" coach doing at least 90pc of the same work as a really good human, in a matter of weeks. Especially if you can make the rider do test efforts regularly to validate progress. The science behind training is actually very simple, ultimately. You have a few types of sessions, the volume of each is dictated by very few elements (basically a sliding scale off periodization, overall load tolerance...).
Vingegard probably rides the s5 because it comes close to the weight limit for his size, so he gets a bigger benefit from the aero with no weight penalty.
Not sure he can actually choose what to ride...
Part of their contract is they are TOLD what to ride. IYKYK.
You really think they want to ride bikes over 6.8kg with mountain bike brakes that dont work consistently as the design team hasnt worked it out properly yet?
@@DurianriderCyclingTips Hey! Sugerider👋
@@DurianriderCyclingTips I'm definitely not in the know, and i only ride rim brakes.. but aren't the brakes on both the s and r series the same? I'd be surprised if a double TdF winner doesn't get to choose the bike he prefers from within the brand, but again I'm not really in the know
@@DurianriderCyclingTipsIf those brakes can stop a heavy MTB flying down a steep hill why wouldn’t I want them on my road bike?
Plenty of disc brake bikes are under 7kg now.
Is that your entire TH-cam career I hear disappearing into irrelevance?
You can shim disc rotors and cassettes really easily so multiple wheelsets match up, and then you just swap wheels with no alignment issues at all, drop them in and go (y)
Wouldn't you just have to make sure to use the same hub on all wheels?
@@martinhudobivnik5895 you can be shimming down to like 0.1mm thicknesses, so sometimes that's still a help even when it's the same hub model.
May I share my most recent tubeless experience? Yesterday I was out on my gravel bike and saw a guy pushing his mtb with a flat on the rear. My first instinct was to stop and help, but then I realized I didn't have a tube, pump, plugs, nothing. I haven't even thought about getting a flat in months. So I just rode past him feeling like a jerk. Given it was a short ride, but it would have never occurred to me that I'm missing those things. On a longer ride the fear of getting stuck 50km from home keeps me prepared, but the last time I got a puncture was a year ago on an xc race, bombing down a rocky trail trying to keep up with full sus bikes on my gravel bike.
Silca brought out their own syringe after I and a few others suggested it. It works well and doesn’t clog up, which is another great device from Silca.
The problem with AI coaching is that people are not honest enough or not inputting accurate data. If you are not honest, don't use consistent data protocols, or simply don't understand where your fatigue/effort levels were, it is not going to be able to properly compensate and "learn". An "in person" coach has the ability to motivate and pick up on subtleties that a computer program cannot. We are not robots. All that said, AI will absolutely be a good option for over 75% of athletes using it and it will be much cheaper. Those looking for the most gains will be using a coach that embraces the AI like Jesse mentioned toward the end. Great show boys!
Talking kit/white bib shorts, MAAP (Cycling Tattooist rock a pair and the light gray ones) and Pas Normal have them. A little rich for many, but still quality bib shorts. An all white NERO kit would look outstanding!!
With multiple wheels for disc brake bikes, I shim rotor on the weel with the disc that is more inboard. It is initially a bit of a pain, but I can change out wheels without messing with the brake alignment.
Jesse should go to one of the few shops which are happy to do a custom build and get the right handlebars, crank, saddle etc.
For me this was better value than buying an OEM package.
'Chris Miller hates his commute to work in a bicycle, he prefers a car.'
Not sure if that that was the satement, I just jest. 😅
Then again, I refuse to believe I'm alone about loving every minute I spend in a bike.
Rest assured, you are not alone.
Don't need a fancy sealant pump, just go to the chemist and get a plastic syringe. Also a good idea to create a vacuum in the tyre before injecting sealant and have the valve slight round from the 6 O clock position.
1. Tubes for the winter
2. Castelli skins suits!!
RE tubeless set up.. if you don’t have a compressor or don’t want to use CO2, I’ve done the late night service station run with $2 Schrader adapter .. totally don’t look or feel dodgy at all 😂 works a treat
So Chris tried to manually pour the tubeless sealant into the valve with core removed and wondered why it was a messy job? Haha!! I run tubeless on one bike and innertubes on others for a few years and still haven't decided whether tubeless is worth the faff.
All in on skin suits here. Slowly purchasing them
The old Specialized Tarmac SL7 Comp and then upgraded as part of a custom build to feature decent wheels, a narrower aero cockpit, and shorter cranks.
DHB is brilliant. The Classic shorts are great. The Aeron shorts are superb.
Unfortunately DHB isn't that cheap anymore. The Aeron Jerseys used to be like 30-40 bucks USD and they had awesome fit and quality...now the Aeron jersey's with a rear zipper are like 120 USD. 😑
The Q.35 only use scott foil for any stage, the new syncros wheels at ~1300gr for 60mm and ~1200gr for the 40mm version. That is really the bike that can do it all.
The driving to rides chat is great - I think anyone living in a city knows the feeling of riding 10km of garbage stop-and-go to finally get out to the open roads, and then knowing the whole ride that the last 10km will suck just as much. I've avoided the temptation to drive out past the main roads thus far but I know everyone is weighing it.
25 km in Toronto
There is a bit of an adrenaline rush for riding in traffic, at least for me, which can keep the HR up a bit, but it's gotten so dangerous to ride in traffic and people get so angry around here at cyclists.
@@threed821 For real - I feel like every year the animosity goes up a little more. And the vehicles get bigger and we stay the same.
please expand on Lemond's hot takes. high cadence = motor in bike. would love to hear your take on that.
Biggest Vuelta highlight has to be Tony Martin’s full day solo breakaway that was only caught 50m from the finish. And mate living in Europe, Spain is one of the first destinations for cycling trips (Mallorca, Girona, Pyrenees, Canary Islands in winter), those roads mean a lot. Can’t imagine it meaning much elsewhere. Organisation aside, either scrap the third grand tour or keep it in Spain I reckon
Enjoying this channel guys, congrats on lifting the style too. You've kept the casual chat between mates but dropped the little things that grated, eg saying 'like' too much. More polished now without seeming like GCN2. Also enjoyed the few b roll parts, some more would be good. And glad to see some disagreement in there too, shows you are keeping faithful to yourselves. Would really like to see Chris do a comparison in his own way between the 'nero bike' and the Chapter 2.
Peak torque mentioned this but if you don’t like bike prices - buying a frame and parts and building it yourself is usually much much cheaper and allows you more choice than buying a stock bike. Building a bike isn’t that difficult and there’s a video on TH-cam everything you need.
Most of my kit is DHB (as I'm UK based).
Managed to pick up a load of it in the closing sales, including their top tier LAB stuff.
They are so very very comfortable.
I’ve been thinking about a hydrapack for long rides because I have some pretty intense water anxiety. The only thing stopping me is a sweaty back.
Tubeless tires should go on with a floor pump. If they don't then the tire is to large for that rim. It is recommended to add a couple extra layers of rim tape until it will seal with a floor pump. Tape does of course need to be appropriately wide enough for the internal rim width. If it goes on with a floor pump there is less risk of it blowing of because it means it is tight enough.
There is a Rene Herse post on how to set up tubeless tires that I found very helpful. All my tubeless tires were seating with a regular floor pump.
Propel is a banger atm, the only reason I didn't end up with one was the shop had an equivalent TCR sl for 2k less.
Know what Jesse means re. tubeless faff. But seriously. Specific tl wheelset no holes in rim-bed+ Gp5000str +floor pump equals happiness. Still amazes me my tyre goes on straight away with just a floor pump after finally getting the str's. Think is just the tyres as have needed a booster pump with others . Also sometimes if your "no holes rim" loses air usually its losing air around the valve hole. Had that issue at first with the "universal" valve I first got for my wheels as had to jam them on super tight to fix problem. Was doing my head in at 1st until I found the problem.
I’ve always despised driving to a ride. Keep in mind that it’s customary in my part of the world for rides to start at 6:00am, so driving more than 30min means getting out of bed before 5:00am. It has to be a REALLY enticing route.
Bontrager wheels with their plastic rim strips, GP5k S TR, floor pump seats With no fuss and holds great
Regarding tubeless, next time you have a tyre deflating overnight, check the sidewalls in a few inches of water, it’s usually where they leak and generally sealant won’t work here.
Regarding the ai training tools, im pretty sure that trainerroad does most of what you describe already. Individual plans, accounting for races, vacations, sickness, etc.
hydro pack can effect the aero off your back as well can deviate the air better
the USWE is super comfy...beats old school hydro paks. Have you not seen Dylan Johnsons video about the aero gains from the USWE??
Hot ride for hours, yes!
Put hydro pak in freezer day before so it’s cool on your back and melts as you ride.
Stops on ur ride use to piss me off but now I look at it as a rest period to drink and catch my breath.
Yeahh... I purchased disc brake bike recently and it seems awful that nobody tells hub's rotor spacing is different among brands.
So if you want to swap wheel to have less issue, you need to purchase the same hub wheels (or maybe same hub brand at least)
Actually there is some very thin rotor spacer for aligning the rotor spacing, so you may use it.
Yep, spending some time shimming the rotors is the answer if you want to run multiple wheelsets with discs.
Have been riding around on 23mm tyres with tubes pumped up to 100psi for the past month while waiting for my new bike. I really miss tubeless.
Back to getting my weekly dose of the Nero Show 😌
Thanks for putting the world racing stuff at the end, I don't care much for it.
When you released your kit with black shorts, my first thought was, it looks so much better with blue or white shorts. You dont have to be Remco or Mathieu to wear white shorts ;)
Driving to rides is the only reason I have a car!
I probably wouldn’t drive to a road ride of less than 50km, but mountain biking almost depends on a car at times!
Love this show!
I was on Jesse's boat and ended up with Soloist and very happy with it. Frame is half the price of S-works and alike. Performance is probably absolutely 0 difference. It's a little heavier but don't care. Looks beautiful. It's pretty much just like a Giant Propel in the looks department too (which was the other bike I was considering)
Me too - I put the R5 bar/stem on mine and love the fully integrated look. Holds speed well and climbs nice.
@@jwfriar I did the same! :) Love that cleaning up the front end was an option.
The Vuelta is going up the Aubisque and Tourmalet today Chris, no Dolomites or Alpe d… as you put it but surely these are worthy climbs of any grand tour.
Manly kit is DHB Chris, good quality and comfortable, pricing is great 👍🏼
Would love to see some back to back testing from Jesse on his current bike v.s. something super aero. Say at Heffron, riding solo and seeing if it results in faster lap times, lower heart rates etc etc.
I've had a few tubeless punctures (slices) that wouldn't seal with a dynaplug - what's annoying with a dynaplug is that it has a tip on it so if you wanna put a tube in you gotta cut the tip off.
I check around probably every week or so for a new bike 4-7k€ budget and after 10-20 minutes of browsing I always arrive at the conclusion that it's just not worth it. Dropping that kind of money on an 8kg bike just rubs me the wrong way. On the off chance that I find something that I can somewhat get behind it's so beyond out of stock that I just give up entirely. Framesets are insanely overpriced and most of the faff I can do without. Wish I would've bought the old canyon ultimate with ultegra rim and mechanical shifting. lower 7kgs stock and 2,7k if I remember correctly. For now I'm holding out until the market stabilises again and the decent mid range bike makes a come back. As a european I really got my eyes on Decathlon though. They're about to enter the WT with AG2R and I look forward to their upcoming line up. Maybe that will make me bite the bullet but let's see.
Hey, funnily enough I have a Dura Ace mechanical canyon ultimate rim brake 7kg with integrated bar that I'm trying to shift, if you're interested?
@@BevandEdMusic what size?
@@xAudiolith medium!
@@BevandEdMusic Dang you almost had me. That's a little on the small side for me unfortunately. Cruel world 🥲
Thanks Chris.
100% agree not broadcasting the start of the stage is fooked, it's often the best part of the race.
Bang on with the Fondo training.. my mindset is exactly what u mentioned. Will have to look at altering my training for my next event..
Bob and weave boys, red lights shred lights
the power of the shop floor is real.....lol
O o o ... guys! 😉
I get the point of starting fresh into a ride ... my toothbrush lifts my spirit. ❄️
Back to chewing gum.
I may be wrong ... but to my knowledge the gum base in chewing gum is made of resin, wax and ELASTOMER ... i.e. plastics.
... the stuff is everywhere 🫣
It is not long ago that it came to my attention. But it got me to reconsider a habbit. 🤔
Love your 'thing'!
Keep it up 👊
Best show in town
Those dnb classic can be $45 on sale lol. The DHB aeron bibs are great and you can get those for $90
Time to retrobrite the +!
DHB kit is great value for money. Comfortable and performs as well as some kit almost twice the price
Wheels! I always thought of it as not wearing out my best expensive wheels unless it was for a race. With disk breaks you don’t wear them out so just keep them on all the time. … get the SL8!!
The reserves have a second divot next to where the rim beads and it allows for the pressure to build up before it beads. It issss a massive pain if u run tubes cuz it’s super hard to de bead without sealant to lubricate the bead coming back
Trying DHB Aeron bibs again after riding BSC for a while. Main difference so far is DHB pad is much wider at the back, maybe as they build for all riders, so wider seats. Where the BSC has narrow pad. Let's see how they last and feel for longer rides.
Sealant injection tip: use a pipe cleaner to... clean out the tube. After you inject sealant.
Why not build a 'not mainstream brand bike' like an Elves, Winspace, Seka, ...?
Another great show, great sensible advice on training too...
Great one guys!
I think the same all the time Jesse when I see these nice new shiny bikes on the bunch rides, and think to myself I’m loosing speed and watts here have a look online out of curiosity and the reality hits that there 15-20k and don’t come with components that suit my fit. There heavier than the bike I’m riding, harder to work on and will depreciate rapidly. I think the disc bikes are getting better every year and are not too far off selling it to me but at the moment it’s just not there. Save yourself 15k and keep the bike you are on. Spend it on a holiday instead! Proving your riding good tyres, saddle , drivetrain and bars there is little in it. Buy yourselves a compressor from bunnings. I picked one up for about $180 a couple years back and it makes setting up tubeless tyres easy.
I do Track stands at every light on my commute to my loop. No petrol required and improving skills