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Unraveling the Mystery of Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome - Medical Panel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2019
- Tags: CHS, Syndrome
Unraveling the Mysteries of Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS) at CannMed 2019
Moderator: Kyle Boyar
Panelists: Michael Dor, Alice Moon, & Tom Folan
Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS) is a condition characterized by persistent vomiting induced by cannabinoids that has recently gained lots of media attention. What triggers its onset is a mystery however is seems to have a preference for those with high cannabis consumption. Additionally, not much is known about the pathophysiology of this condition and few treatments are available based on our current understanding. In this panel we hear perspectives from patients with CHS as well as the physicians who treat about its potential causes, triggers, and treatments.
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After smoking for 20 years every single day I was diagnosed with CHS . I’m now 3 weeks clean. I got tired of ending up in the ER with abdominal pain and nausea. It was so bad I couldn’t take it anymore.
Well done Alice, you spoke from the heart and like a true smoker ... very refreshing ! I’m a long time sufferer, over 20 years in fact and I’ve been hospitalised so many times that I can’t remember. As of 6 weeks ago I m now abstinent .... I’m now healing ! Thank you for putting yourself out there and helping the many sufferers now and in the future. 😎👍💙
40 years deep in the weed scene, suffered bad, thought it was cyclic vomiting syndrome,till recently,30 years of emergency rooms hot baths for weeks at a time ,crazy weight loss, finally taking a break even after knowing it was weed for couple years,it's just not worth feeling like I'm dying anymore
bingo Garvin, you too man. I wish you well with your recovery ..
I’ve been suffering for 20 yrs as well
Back in end of 2019 to the beginning of 2020 I had large episodes of CHS and ultimately found myself riding my bike every day for between 15 and 30 miles, even on days that I was already exhausted from work. Learning now that cardio has a similar effect to the shower makes so much sense. I recall when I had a relapse in mid 2020 I tried to smoke again and immediately got sick again and I hopped on my bike to take a ride because I thought “being alone in nature let me ignore the pain” but now I understand that most likely I wasn’t ignoring the pain but treating it. Thanks so much for your insight guys, this helps a lot 👍
Thank you everybody thank you
I smoked tons of weed back in the 70's and the 80's with zero side effects. I started using Wedding Cake and Platinum Kush Indica last fall for my insomnia. The nausea started pretty much immediately. My question is, what is different about commercially grown weed these days making so many people sick compared to the Mexican, Colombian, and Jamaican we had back in the day? I am currently recovering from CHS. I am treating myself with amino acids, probiotics, and electrolytes, but it's a slow process. Today's weed is obviously very toxic for some reason.
Today's weed is toxic to you although it gets tested but weed in the 70s and 80s never was even tested. It was much less powerful back then, less thc and less terpy, weed from back then looks to me like cbd weed looks now
They believe it’s the cannabinoids and if you compare cannabis from 30 years ago to cannabis today it’s night and day everything skyrocketed you can find strains with upwards 30% THC and you can find concentrates over 90% and it’s not just THC that’s believed to be causing this.
All Canabinoids are and there’s 113 of them known. Here’s 8 of the most commons
THC (tetrahydrocannabinol)
THCA (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid)
CBD (cannabidiol)
CBDA (cannabidiolic acid)
CBN (cannabinol)
CBG (cannabigerol)
CBC (cannabichromene)
CBL (cannabicyclol)
And the 105 remaining are also a lot more prevalent than they were !
It's not toxic it's more potent. I smoked high grade weed and concentrate for at least 10 years before I started to experience chs. Personally I believe that it is something that builds up in a person after a long period of use. Midis probably don't have the potency to trigger it but if you smoke them long enough and switch to high grade I could see chs happening since the midis layed down the ground work.
@BitchuteBetterThanTH-cam had to reread your comment and you're correct people who do properly flush are still getting CHS. I can confirm that as I am one.
Your comment is very interesting. I smoked pretty much all the time for 10 years then switched to dry herb vaping for about 6 years (heavy daily use) and then I switched to a more moderate schedule taking weeks and even months off at a time. I was buying off the streets for all this time and never had any issues. I got accepted for medicinal cannabis the other day (UK) and got my first prescription. On day 3 I was using the strongest one (23% THC) and then the next day after a cup of peppermint tea I got the worst abdominal pain of my life and had to leave work early. I couldn't say it was CHS for sure but there was definitely something "weedy" about my symptoms! It's a shame you can't get much mid strength stuff on prescription.
This is exactly what I’m going thru this is no way to live life! Fuck weed I’m done with it I need my life back.
I got Abdominal pain but nothing else it's been 1 month and 2 weeks since I stopped smoking weed and this just started now I been smoking for 4 years now... Lol I just found your user name funny 😅 @SNEKERS AND WEED
@@Unathi820 yeah this username is funny. hey you stopped since 1,5months n now you have abdominal pain? how did you stop? step by step or cold turkey?
@@agnes-juliemartin7030 abdominal pains started right after my withdrawals like 2 weeks later and the 4 years that I was smoking it was everyday from morning until night but I didn’t get to the point of throwing up but got diarrhea for a week or two I started getting dizzy every time I’d hit a joint and my heart would hit fast I’d have to lay down for a minute so I took a break until now ... I feel better now and don’t feel the need to smoke but if I do it won’t be everyday again , went to the Dr they couldn’t tell me anything
It happens while sleeping because body goes into fasting and burns the fat cells and then the thc is released. This is why many of us wake up vomiting, because the stomach isn't emptying the bile. The signal from the thc is actually telling stomach not to empty the bile. Then as the bile replaces self after vomiting we just continue to vomit it up. It is very brutal. Also, as more people do Keto (which is a great imo) more people will experience CHS, because of the fasting mode. This is a very serious syndrome, and needs to be address honestly, without demonizing cannabis, at the same time.
Influence Freedom yup, low stomach acid. Immediately go get digestive enzymes, over the counter Pancretium is AMAZING. Saved me!!!!
Influence Freedom CHS Recovery Group:
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SCIENTIST FUCKED UP THE CANNABIS TREE WITH SCIENCE#LEAVE CANNABIS ALONE
Why r they not mentioning mouldy weed its the cause of chs why r they hiding it ???
@Elli Marie lol and if the truth was told the Cannabis industry would be made to pay out billions it would collapse and fold so u believe what u been told it has never happened in holland or jamaica #america idiot nation Micheal more was wright
My CHS was always on orvaround my menstrual cycle. I thought it was pesticides or mold... I smoked homegrown organic and then after 10 months i got all the symptoms very suddenly one night. I used it to treat my bipolar depression and anxiety.... honestly, I'm not sure what's worst... a manic crash or cyclical vomiting for days... suicidal depression is aweful, but so is puking yourself to death. I'm really, really trying everything I can think of to reach a healthy state of being both mentally and physically.
Bless you 💞
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I am 39 and started smoking cannabis when I was 12. Now I realize that my CHS started about a year ago, and the flares in the last month were severe enough that I think I'm done for good. Please help find a cure and genetically engineer something that won't put me in the hospital 🙏
Do you smoke nicotine as well? I’m trying to find something out.
We need more research into the long term effects, as I still am having symptoms similar to CHS after 3+ months of abstinence.
you probably do not have chs if you are still suffering from episodes. My episodes stopped quickly after I quit smoking cannabis
That’s normal in some cases it can takes 6+ months for symptoms to completely leave. It takes me months, also you may have some other GI problems that are showing I have a feeling that having GI problems to begin with aggravate CHS in some. In my case that seems to be true I smoked for a short period of time before getting extreme CHS. Check out the CHS thread on Reddit, your not alone.
@Ramell Dion This is how it is for me.
@BitchuteBetterThanTH-cam hey bud thc can stay in your system a lot longer then that. I know people that took 6 months to pass a urine test. It's about your motabalism and how much you use.
My stepson is experiencing this right now!
He is in total denial. He is experiencing
SEVERE nausea and is vomiting while moaning and screaming.
He is diagnosed with Schizophrenia, with hallucinations, delusions etc.
He honestly believes pot helps with the nausea, but the more he smokes the worse it is.
He refuses to believe smoking is contributing to this, instead blames "really fast people running by him and throwing things into his mouth".
He believes cbd is a way to cope too.
He also copes with long hot showers (up to an hour at a time)
He's over 21, has both a Dr, and counselor, but he is not on board with a treatment plan. Instead choosing to self medicate with more pot and more denial.
His entire day revolves around getting high, staying high, finding more ways to make the high more intense.
It’s very real and many have denial because the symptoms he’s trying to mask are reasons people smoke marijuana. It would require work on oneself, diligence and a level of acceptance most smoking marijuana try to avoid. It will get worse, but only when it does, will he be motivated to address the issue. One stop in the ER with a Haloperidol RX shot and education about CHS makes most deniers the insight to come to terms with this very real issue. I hope he gets well and can grow from the experience. Once you have it - you always have it.
I've had CHS for almost 20yrs, 1st time was in 04 & for over 10yrs the doctors didn't know wat CHS was, im now in debt for medical bills but atleast know diagnosis.
Stopped smoking cannabis & no more CHS, miss gettin high but not worth CHS to return.
Smoke here and there it'll be ok. Don't over do it
When stuff like this happens, we know that too much use can trigger a condition. Thank you for addressing this issue. In Ucuador, we will take measures so this syndrome is under control- greetings from Ecuador, Portoviejo city
Smoked for roughly 7-8 years now. Past couple of years I've been experiencing symptoms exactly like this with my worst vomiting episode being 2019 if I remember correctly with milder episodes of being sick since. Was put on omeprazole which seemed to help for a while, however it has of late stopped helping as much and just as recent as yesterday I threw up and had to call in sick to work. Currently being tested for a stomach virus but all prior investigations by doctors have so far not lead to a proper diagnosis. Will definitely be bringing this up with my doctor.... I use cannabis to help with my depression an anxiety and I also admit I like it at the end of a stressful day after work or uni (like the lady in this video im an evening smoker), so trying to accept i have to stop using it and find an alternative is going to be hard. I have tried anti depressants in the past and they cause nausea, so to have this cause it too after years of it being successful is hugely demoralising. I will definitely be taking a step in the right direction from here on hopefully.
Aint this a bitch? Cant even smoke a bowl to treat myself
See, everyone was acting like I was crazy anytime I mentioned this. Hell, even I felt crazy because it helps SO many other people and I *just* so happen to be on of the very *few* this happens too. The shitty part is I started smoking weed *because* of my stomach issues, as it was the ONLY thing tht helped. I've tried SO many medications, changed my diet, have been seeking help from doctors for the last 10 years because I had nausea and vomiting already and..lets just say whenever I ate, it would go right through me. ( I have IBS as well). So I was rather heartbroken that after only 2 years of me smoking it, it started having this effect on me…I have been chronically ill with stomach issues for about 10 years now, have had SEVERAL tests, procedures and have taken a chemical cocktail of medications for it, seeing doctor after doctor, specialist after specialist with no answers or relief, just “you have ibs”. So I tried weed and it helped instantly and was a godsend….then after 2 years, started the intense nausea, vomiting and pain...and then it started giving me seizures too which I don’t understand at all. It confuses me because weed is used to treat all sorts of issues but no one ever talks about the negative side effects it can have. When I do, I’m met with “oh, you just haven’t found the right strain yet” which is untrue; I have smoked Many a strain ( I smokes ALL of the weeds, hell I could smoke my dad and my boyfriend under the table at age 23) or “you’re just hating. Weed is ONLY safe and has never and CAN NEVER hurt *anyone* “...and it makes me sad...I loved the stuff...it worked really well for me in the beginning and most times was the only reason I ate and also helped with my mental illnesses like Borderline Personality Disorder and my eating disorder ( it helped me gain healthy weight because I would eat good foods and was VERY active and exercised a lot)...I’ve had many a ER visit because of the disorder...I’ve been sober 4 years in june and have hated EVERY second of it, especially since it has become legal in my state. People smoke it anywhere and EVERYWHERE and when I come into contact with it, I have a seizure...it breaks my heart that the very thing that saved my life now puts my life in danger. I do hope one day they can figure something out because I miss the relief I got from it, physically and psychologically…and people will say “just quit” but don’t realize that a lot of us aren’t just using it for recreational purposes; we’re treating something be it mental or physical illness and more often than not, it’s the *only* thing that helps with out problem.
Have you ever done a stool elastase test? May be this leading to meals “going right through you” and IBS symptoms.. I had similar issues (and relief, for a bit.. with cannabis..) but turns out my pancreas is insufficient in generating enzymes (EPI) can’t remember what he E stands for but Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency.. have to take a medication before every meal and it’s pricy without insurance but has seemed to be helping w the horrible IBS symptoms. I understand it sucks to let the cannabis go but with CHS episodes I never want to feel that way again. Good luck just mentioning a possible alternative diagnosis that is also overlooked sometimes…
Took me from the age of 15 to around 27 of heavy heavy cannabis use you know just smoke down every 30 min from the time I wake to sleep. I used to that is lol! This chs has absolutely ruined my life. Thankfully I found out it was chs instead of svs (siclic vomiting syndrome) so unlike those with svs i can just stop using cannabis and fix it where as they can't! This stuff is so so painful and my God the place it puts me in mentally is almost as bad if not worse than the vomiting episodes. Its all so bad!
Wow how long to reply no stopping completely fixes the issue past that a long time ago
Stephen Patton, Great panel. I know now I have it. Been sick off and on for over a year and a half. Been smoking for 5 years.
Wow - just found out about CHS today. This may well be the best video I have watched on youtube. Thanks for uploading and please keep up the research!!
I’ve had 2 episodes of CHS in my 9 years of smoking weed, the second episode very recently. And I’m extremely afraid to ever smoke again. I will say that I went to ER 17 hours into the second episode(I threw up 30+ times) and the doctor used haldol and it cured my episode immediately. Still deathly afraid of smoking.
Please reframe the words “Side effects” to “Direct effects”
@@davidtrevino2743 I don't know what they say are but it's been proven that it's not Neem. Somewhat similar symptoms but not the same and you never get relief from hot showers and baths w neem poisoning.
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Erica Hagler, your FB group is what has turned it all around for me. The frankness, the inspirational posts by the now many thousands of members of that group and the suggested methods of how one can best help themselves during recovery, is truly amazing. It is people like you and Alice who are making the difference for all who suffer from an affliction like no other, CHS. I thank you as sincerely as I possibly can. 💙
I'm so excited to see more recent information on this. I've been sick for years. And I've slept in the tub for years as well. I never knew why until learning this. I'm so happy I can heal from this. Thank you for your dedication. I'm so happy.
@@alisonbroadbent7806 certainly not neem or anything else sprayed on plants. I've been using organicly home grown cannabis that's only been touched with love and still wound up hospitalized from chs.
For me i couldn't move walk. I was sweating curled up in my home . Fasting was the only thing .
Sounds laced. Did you buy it from a dispensary? If not, thats a pretty good indicator.
@@mordredoforkney6185 it wasn’t laced man . I bought from shop and the expensive bullshit . You wouldn’t innerstand .
@@mordredoforkney6185 did you watch the video ?
Same. Day 39 and I'm still pretty much bedridden after 7 days complete cessation.
I stopped for 6 months I was fine as soon as I started using again I got sick immediately
It’s sprayed with synthetic spice bro
@@elenadobreva1257 negative I was smoking the good shit 👎🏾 you see the name of my profile duh. I stopped smoking completely and I never got sick again
I’ve smoked for 10 years at least and I was sick on and off at least six of those 10 years without ever realizing why until an old grumpy doctor told me it’s the cannabis you’re doing this yourself I’ll give you this medication and go home I need the bed for real sick people. I didn’t want to believe him at first but after researching and looking at the symptoms and everything it clicked I realized I was sick but it stuck with me for three more years before I sick of being sick and tried stopping. I am now 8/9
Months abstinent.
And all my symptoms vanished
@@elenadobreva1257 you're a fucking tool, and a dull one at that, bro
I love smoking but i don’t find it worth going through this shit again
You were smoking diseased weed, Look up Hops Latent Viroid
@@M311Y it's irresponsible to just state this like a fact when you can't know. all kinds of wannabe doctors in these comments. you say it's diseased weed, another commenter(not a doctor) suggested salty foods, another guy tried to gaslight a organic homegrower into thinking it was pesticides, when it was homegrown. you wannabe specialists have no leg to stand on, it's esoterics. quitting weed works. nothing else. until there's a therapy, people with the syndrome should stay away. weed is cool, but why are you trying to make people that got better have a relapse on this?
I was discharged from er yesterday with chs. Happy to report that every nurse and doctor I talked with was very informed about CHS.
Edit : she's spot on about the haldon. That stuff made me loose it big time they had to give me a shot of Ativan to calm me down. It was just as bad as the vomiting tbh.
I smoke cannabis for about 2 years but definitely not everyday. This is because I was afraid it could trigger psychosis. I always used in moderation. But after hearing about CHS I'm now deciding to smoke my last joint tonight and I'll take a break for a long time. Just to clear out any access THC. I hope this is a good strategy in prevention even though we don't know for certain. I just love weed too much for my mental health issues. It has supported me greatly. And I want to keep it that way! I never want to get CHS. My love goes out to everyone suffering fron this disease!! 😢❤ Especially since it seems to be permanent... 💔
I’m going on day 5 of this! I just want the throwing up and the pain to stop
Go to ER
ER is not doing nothing,, been with my daughter on the ER three times , the last time There was a docter , that Told us what was wrong with here ,, she was so sick,, and in so much pain of pucking ,, for days and days ,,
My daughter ,, 16 years old ,, stopped now for two months , but still suvering of pains,, but i,m so proud of her, and thankfull to the docter who told us About this syndrome ,, it saved her from this adiction also ,,,
I wonder if we are seeing more of these symptoms because of high concentrates and dab carts
I agree, these are what caused it for me
I think so
I came down with gastrisis and ulcers this week, doc says he thinks CHS is the cause. I told him he was crazy. But after doing some research, I actually do experience most of stage 1 symptoms. No vomiting episodes yet, thankfully. I quit smoking just in case. Since we caught it before stage 2 I think if I were to smoke again later on(as long as it isn't habitually) then I wouldn't pose much risk of relapsing into CHS. I had no idea that this was a thing. We need to spread awareness on this.
What happened? Did you resume smoking after a period of time? How did it go? What is your cannabis routine like now?
@alexscott1257 I stopped smoking for a month, with no changes in symptoms.
Started smoking again after the first month. No changes.
Went to a nutritionist and got on a whole foods diet, and started eating at a set schedule. Ulcer was gone in a month, and I've managed to actually start gaining weight(something I had been struggling to do for a decade).
thanks for your work and interest on this topic to the expositors, and thanks to CannMed to make this possible. Cant understand how it is possible that some doctors dont even know the difference between THC and CBD. How can they diagnose or solve situations like this without the propper knowledge? Here in Chile a lot of doctors practically consider the endocannabinoid System as a "urban myth" how is that possible?. Thats dangerous and a really bad thing cientifically speaking.
well it is not the miracle drug. I know nothing about doctors in Chile but that they mix up CBD with THC is a shame, I agree.
Shes a bit "it happens like this to me so your wrong". Theres other things at play here and anxiety can certainly be one. Such as when she said smoking a joint around her will make her have CHS. With that said CHS is totally real. Any form of THC Can do it, any type of frequency, any level of THC content. The symptoms of THC were documented on cave walls, and its been around for quite some time. Its more prevalent now due to legalization because people are willing to admit to it without fear of jail or rehab etc. I too get it/have had it and its what made me quit. Its really quite terrible feeling. When I get it, its only for hours at a time maybe 6-8 hours. When it first started long ago, i would puke every morning and every night for about a year, but I kept using. Some pre signs of it is acid reflux, stomach pains, diahhrea. If your using and notice these symptoms stop right away otherwise it will progress to the vomiting/nausea stage and its absolutely horrible. I tried everything, elimination diets, had upper/lower endoscopy, used omeprazole was diagnosed with GERD/IBS etc. Once I quit, everything goes away. It acts like a food sensitives sometimes, or will make you believe your sensitive to milk, bread, coffee, etc. Just stop using it. I wanted to share this info. There is a Cannabis Hypermesis group on FB and people share this info. Some get relief with bennedryl for some reason some dont. But if you THINK you have this, just stop.
Switzerland + CHS but self diagnosed due to illegality here. Please find a cure smoking 13 years
There is a cure, stop smoking
Another thing I can say last 25 years no alcohol mixed sessions n I didn’t have any episodes in my first 25 years of cannabis 🎉 use.
I hope to see a solution soon in the market
This is a fantastic panel!
What about the other 90% of people that have GI problems from THC that don't cause vomiting but other things like erosive gastritis, esophageal motility disorders, LPR, ulcerative colitis, quinsy etc ? I mean what is even the mechanism of this vomiting ? Is it cramping ? Is it puking because the gag reflux is being stimulated ? Is it a fucking neurosis ? This is pathetic.
Crazy been smoking my whole life now I gotta stop, so wack
I know this is 2 year old comment, but how are you doing now. Day 38 or 39 for me
@@JunglistRyanhow are you doing man? Day 2 for me ❤. Just had my first (and hopefully my last) cyclical vomiting episode
How long after ur first episode did it take for you to quit ?
@@JunglistRyan sorry for late response, but after a while your body just doesn’t crave it. I started focusing elsewhere and trying to improve my life in areas where I was lacking and now I don’t even think about it, you’ll get through it
@@scottwebber652 I tried smoking maybe for 2 weeks after and everytime it messed me up so I really had no other choice but to quit, doing a lot better now. You’ll get through it
I had this 10 times
Is there somewhere to help fund her research?
Gees 16 days consecutive I’d probably pull the trigger too !! My experience is up to 3-4 days. I’ve been getting an iv of saline with a shot of zofran which brings me back to reality. I even keep several pills on hand. Glad to see the video as it confirmed my suspicions. Haven’t noticed with edibles tho. I do think that I get away from normal eating sometimes n this also brings chs. Here to say I’m backing off the weed as I prefer enjoyment vs. chs issues.
Im on day 39 after 7 days cessation. Still bedridden
18 months straight for me. Yay me.
For me it hits at the least expected time. Seems related to poor eating habits but whatever when it hits lookout !! Lately it isn’t lasting more than a day or two.
I don’t get any symptoms while smoking but when I stopped I had withdrawals for like 4 days now I’m at a week and feel good and kinda wanna smoke again less frequently tho
@Satama Gftyf y’all smoking dirty weed and maybe u should do one of those digestive system clears where u flush all that shit outta u
I'm taking a 2 week tolerance break because I have noticed I have been developing chs but after i will smoke every 2 days ( instead of every other day like i do now ) and taking a 2 day or longer tolerance break every 30 days hope and stop completely if I notice my symptoms worsen wish me luck :)
How’s it going?
@@arob9734 it went well im actually on another tolerance break right now def reccomend
When you say developed symptoms what do you mean ?
I think im at the start of development. No vomiting but stomach is in pain and I have extreme nausea.
@@rrreedar_ i had stomach cramping nausea and generally feelin like shit idk u should get ur stomach checked
@@rrreedar_ also take note if you had multiple bad highs and expirenced teeth chattering or shaking
Yh I agree found out dark chocolate wasn't a good thing after all I have now got control over my chs and did this by not smoking everyday and reduced my intake been fine since
I can't stop taking hot showers 😢
Now I can't smoke more that couple days in a row before everything comes back . The bleeding the sickness . Ive stopped and i love weed but im scared . Wholly shit I get anxiety taking a hit so I stop. Only do one a week
Edit : once a month . Week is not enough time to get rid of the thc from the system
And the lady is correct it is not the pesticide. I bought high end weed pesticide free and still messes me up
@@Healthytruth yeah people think it's from pesticides and neem oil but you don't get neem oil poisoning from smoking it.
Has the moderation helped?
@@arob9734 yes but I extended to one month . I smoke one day get high as fuck . Enjoy it and wait for next month . Once a week isn’t enough . You have to detox the thc out the body completely. I went to hospital 5 times . Never going through that again. Best is to quit
last year i smoked cbd blue shark exclusively for about 3 months and i felt the best i had in years. no nausea, no abdominal pain. this strain is only about 5% thc&cbd. so i plan to stop using for 6 months then go back to only using this strain and see if it helps
my problem is dieting. if i go all day without food my body starts to burn fat and i have an episode. means i can never loose weight...bummer
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Thank you !
Hi. Thanks to you guys. My doctor sent me home and dismissed me and my concerns. I’m in New Zealand. Yes please find a cure , because like you Cannabis Activism has been my life. We are not legal here either.
They dismissed you and your concerns!? And your not legal there even medically?? That's fuqed I always thought New Zealand seemed progressive and cool. I would have straight up projectile vomited all over that dip shit doctor and his practice.
Hey, question for any CHS sufferer... Anybody got any allergies or intolerances? People with allergies and intolerances tend to have weaker immune systems. Drop a comment if you DO or DON'T.
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I don't have any allergies.
I have no allergies whatsoever and i just spent the last 30 hours puking
Friend of mine suffered for about 15 years till an early death due to organ damage. No allergies
I had something similar sounding but didnt quit smoking bc i still was sick without smoking no1 can tell me why i was sick it took 2yrs to get better from it i will say the diagnosis was chs but after 3yrs of only smoking hash ive not had a single issue i did change my diet and eat lions mane enoki ect mushrooms and more red meat and i feel pretty much like before i got sick
you can add plus one from germany, thought i was gonna die
i'm also from germany, this will pop up a lot now here in the future since weed is now kind of legal, and afaik, most doctors here have no clue this disorder exists. i didn't develop chs thankfully, but i stopped smoking because i was already on a two decade binge and i wanted to be better safe than sorry. i hope you are better now!
Very fresh
What do regular cannabis users consider too much?
that's all relative
For me it was dabbing from morning till night switched to organic flower smoke only 3 bowls or 4 a day and i wake up chs free and dont rely on getting high anymore i can enjoy it instead of using it to mask CHS pain
i smoked for about two decades and most of that daily, all day, too. thankfully i didn't develop this, but learning about it made me stop and i haven't started again so far. for me as a daily smoker i would go through 1-2 g a day. i would say i was a heavy user by normal standards, and a moderate user compared to some other allday everyday type of smokers. there's definitely people i know that smoke up to 3-4 gs a day. for me as a heavy user that sounds like an awful lot. i was already spending a ton of money on it because i lack room to grow my own. i stopped via substituting slowly with cbd until i felt more or less clear in the head, and after that it was pretty easy on my head to quit, but i had physical withdrawal symptoms like sweating and great trouble sleeping for at least a week. i can only recommend taking liberal breaks even if you don't have chs, as these will probably help prevent you developing the syndrom at all. if i smoke again, it's gonna be once or twice a week.
WHAT IF... weed is trying to tell you, "Hey, I'm not good for you!" ??
Hows it a mystery? We know when someone eats peanuts and has a reaction, they are allergic to it. That's the problem with CHS as a medical theory. There's no zeroing in on the root cause of WHY you react that way. Anytime I've seen anything related they just state "they smoked it, then they threw up." BUT WHY THO
It is not nearly as immediate as an allergic reaction, personally it takes me around 20-30 hrs after consumption for me to start feeling the consequences
@unisonsports3 yep after a certain amount of time, doesn’t matter what you’re around. It’ll just hit you like you owe it money ._.
If you eat one cookie you dont develop diabetes immediately either dude. Stop being ignorant and accept the reality that weed isn't cure-all drug. Not everything is perfect and even marijuana CAN be harmful. Your self-doubt is not useful to uncovering the truth of why it happens. And its quiet honestly harmful to those who ARE experiencing it that you doubt they are actually suffering from weed-related usage.
My thought Is that MJ activates the immune system and when you smoke the body thinks it’s being attacked so the ‘high’ is the response system kicking into gear. When you smoke so much and that response system has no more capability to fight off things like allergens coming into your body, then the coping mechanism is the full rejection via vomiting of any sort of outside matter entering your body. That’s why things like caffiene and other items create havoc on your body when you smoke too much.
because this strain(see what i did there) of medical science is fairly new and has been only discovered fairly recently. basically we are just know figuring out how important the endocannabinoid system is, how it works and interacts with our body, and how the different phytocannabinoids interact with it and change it over long term use. hence most of the data so far is very statistical and gives us no rootcause yet. this is the case with every new medical discovery. 20 years ago we didn't really know a lot about the endocannabinoid system in our body and what it does. this is all work in progress.
can this be attributed to the amount of pesticides and fertilizers being used now?
Did you watch it? Within the first five minutes they say it’s not pesticides lol
@@lcplshmuckatelli1360 not within the first five minutes.. weed today is grown differently than years ago. Much more chemicals are used.
I'm 56 and since I was 18 I've had this so to answer your question no it has nothing to do with pesticides or the potency of marijauna
@@digitalsmooth8377 no, it’s the plant itself !!!!!!!!!!
no, don't believe all these airheaded people in the comments telling you it's pesticides or mold. it's the phytocannabinoids messing up the endocannabinoid system. it's for sure the plant. i would stay away from anything that was grown to have crazy amounts of cannabinoids like they would never occure in nature. especially cbg and sadly cbd seem to be actual culprits here more so than thc.
Yeah I agree second hand smoke isn't enough,some things can be psychologica.l
Literally had a month of hell when I got it but weed helps a lot for me and hope they find a cure
My daughter is in the hospital now with this condition.
I'm wondering were you able to smoke again after this?
@@Jerseyboondocks Been looking up a ton of info on CHS recently, and from what I've learned, most people end up having to quit forever. Your daughter could try doing it in moderation (which is what I plan to try once I'm past the worst of this myself), but once CHS develops I'm fairly certain it's there to stay. It really sucks :(
@@Jerseyboondocks I would say no to not have symptoms again but until they find something and get more research done I would advise to say sober
@@Jerseyboondocks it will
Been using weed for 40 years i don't have this but i have a friend who smokes weed like a maniac for decades and he got chs.
I don't smoke weed anymore i make cannabutter.i hope i never get this.
My question is why didn't people get chs 50 years ago or did they but no one knew about it.
They did but no one knew about it so I can assume that a lot of people died from its complications but also the percentages of cannabinoids present in past days cannabis it’s a lot less and when I mean a lot less a metric fuckton less than what you can find today.
just my theory, i think it's because todays weed is more amped up and complex in cannabinoids, it's like roided weed. it overwhelms our bodies. also i think people smoke way more overall today. no one had concentrates in the 70s. i remember when i was a teenager we'd share one or two joints and would be baked as fuck. now everyone smokes high grade joints by themselves of strains that are way more potent, building up crazy tolerances. the culture of consumption changed. i sure know for the last year i smoked before i stopped, i didn't even get high anymore. the same weed tho would put my friend who smokes occasionally to sleep. smoking joints was like smoking cigs in the end for me, almost no effect anymore because i fried my system.
Okay but some people are smoking for chronic pain…. I don’t like the medication that makes me so fucked up I literally cannot remember a number I’m looking at. weed was a life saver for many people so now what?
Hi people I never thought chs was a thing my doctor even was not sure I would just say it has not been studied far enough yet in my opinion I have suffered on and of for around 3 years Been sick 3 4 days a week it just comes and goes hot baths showers mostly early mornings had every test you could think of to the point I thought I was dying no joke but despite this I have not cut down smoking but found after all this time as cannabis interfere with the digestion track I was looking into things that could help and believe me or not a portion of red grapes must be red and dark chocolate works wonders for some reason not sure why I have a small portion of both is a a little snack after dinner everyday and for the last 2 months I have been 10 times better good digestion and no sickness to me it's a god send as I was being sick almost everyday b4
Do u still smoke?
Michael Hollingworth low acid digestive problem. Digestive enzymes needed get the over the counter supplement Pancretium. Amazing
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ok bro but what is so hard about taking a break to see if you get better without smoking?
Moringa is a trigger
Annistetic, dental freezing, etc are the reason.
What do u mean?
Is tobacco a factor?
No ITs the weed stop smoking
no, unlikely because nicotine works more like an antagonist to cannabinoids. interestingly, blunt smokers were less affected. it would have been interesting if the chart she showed would have differentiated between spliffs and joints.
Fucking haldol gives me permanent dyskensias after only 3 weeks or so of use, involuntary facial movements for the rest of my life. THATS ME, from the first administration.... strong shit!
I didn't have that reaction but the haldon made me loose my freaking mind. I wanted to rip my legs off for real they had to hit me with Ativan to calm me down. Terrible shit.
Hope that helps if you suffer from chs try a portion RED grapes and dark chocolate every evening really works 4 me especially as I'm struggling to stop hope this helps
Michael Hollingworth try pancretium
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It’s great that works for you but coco especially dark chocolate since that’s closer to pure coco is actually documented as a trigger food for CHS! Everyone’s body is different but it seems the consensus among CHS sufferers is that coco is a common trigger food! Tread carefully readers!
Trust me second hand smoke will cause it to return. Even being in a garden for a few minutes got me extremely sick.
No t true
Second hand smoke causing return is 100% true.
Sorry to hear that. But thank you for sharing because it gives more support to terpenes being involved for some people. Since they are aromatic compounds involved in the smell experience of cannabis.
@@kylanorton6632 True. But interestingly smelling pure terpenes doesn't make me sick. Only smelling weed. It's almost like an peanut allergy, esp in the weeks/months following an attack.
@@badadandotcom6191 that is incredibly interesting! I'm going to look into other types of compounds besides terps. If you happen to know specific brands/ products you arent sensitive to I would love to learn more. kylanorton94@gmail.com
I want to do research on CHS and CVS.
Try pancretium everybody
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How does it help?
Hops Viroid, infected plants.
Go eat.... Smoke weed on an empty stomach u feel empty inside go eat something 🤣
Black Walnut Wormwood Tincture- don't take if you're pregnant (anti fungal, parasite, bacterial), one capsule a day - start eating again and fix your stomachs biome imbalance from eating sugar and carb loaded munchies which lead to candidiasis overgrowth, causing daily chronic nausea, cyclical vomiting, and wasting from undernourishment. Quit smoking contaminated plants that still have chemicals on them, and quit smoking plants infected with HLVd(hops latent viroid), a plant disease which will make the trichromes production drop on the cannabis plant, thus reducing the plants immunity to pathogens .. Smoke a sick plant for long enough and you will get sick, cannabis should be handled like a food product.
Lol
Diver reticulitis? Need to review all food , drink etc. Cannabis is not the reason it is a catalist.
Explain why then I’ve smoked for at least 10 years and was sick for at least six of those years and as soon as I reached four months of total abstinence all my symptoms disappeared and I am now able to live a normal life my friends smoke in my presence I do not even feel a crumb of need when I see a cannabis joint.
Cannabis is the reason
It’s sprayed with synthetic spice that’s what’s making people Ill please believe me
No!!!! Omg 😱 it’s the fucking plant !!!do u really think everyone else r idiots?
Then how would you explain my problem I grow my own and got Chs last week I’m definitely not spraying my weed with spice lol who the fuck does that like ya wouldn’t notice a difference in the high cause I sure as hell would.stupid comment
you're fucked in the head, no one should belive you. spice is different. i had spice laced weed and the symptoms are totally different.
I have CHS I’m not dead, I just take a Tolerance break and keep myself hydrated and eat clean food and stay away from sugar, greasy foods, salty foods and after 2 months and a half you should be okay, it’s a side effect not a overdose. 🙄 smoke marijuana a gram a week maybe 2 don’t over do it.