Sonic 2 - 50Hz vs 60Hz (PAL vs NTSC) - An informative comparison
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It's here! Sonic 2: 50Hz Vs 60Hz! The Sequel! Where I take a look and compare both Sonic 2 at its original NTSC speed (JP), and its slower counterpart, PAL (EU). There are many disadvantages to 50Hz when you compare it to its colleague 60Hz, but are there any benefits? To find out, I got the EU Mega Drive and my JAP Mega Drive out and gave it a comparison. I used both versions of Sonic 2 for this. The European version vs the Japanese version to represent its speed (not that it matters what version of the game I use).
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The special stages are significantly easier as sonic alone on either version. The special stages as Sonic and Tails have a higher ring goal
Ikr
That is why I play As Sonic alone
I did not know the last part, gotta try that out soon
It's interesting how the music in the European PAL version would sound the same as the NTSC versions of this game.
I thought something was weird about it for a while, turns out I think some of the instrumentation is lower pitched than NTSC.
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You..f I can't stop laughing
This made me laugh way more than it should of!
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Man, this comment is SO overrated!
I just found this out recently. PAL isn't actually stretched. The NTSC version is just placed inside the PAL resolution, leaving the extra space unused. It appears stretched in 4:3 on our 16:9 screens due to PAL having a higher resolution in height (NTSC being 240p and PAL 288p). I found this out when editing PAL footage and realised this. I simply changed the horizontal scaling percentage of the footage for PAL to 70.3% instead of 75% for NTSC. As 25% of a 16:9 display is 4:3 (At least for NTSC resolutions of 240p & 480p). So PAL is stretched if set to 4:3 on TVs, but not if you're scaling it to a monitor or something that displays all the pixels correctly.
The funny thing is, the opposite problem happened during the Commadore 64 era. Europe made a lot of games for the system at the time, and they were built for PAL format from the ground up. North America didn't do as well as Europe due to lack of games and the fact that many of them ran too fast on NTSC systems.
me, modifing my game for my 120hz monitor: GOTTA GO FAST
50Hz Actually looked controlled and smooth (for me at least)
If you want to hear what the game should sound like in 50 HZ, just put the video on .75 :D
Laffy Taffy 4554 Since this is optimized, he music is supposed to sound like that in 50hz.
Only issue is the PCM stuff being wonky
The music speed is set during the initial boot so if in your system you switch modes without rebooting you can enjoy the slow 50hz music as what it could have ended up as if they treated it the same as sonic 1
5:31 LOL HE SAID CHICKEN NUGGET
6:47 when you realized there's a sonic movie in 2019
Ethan Tube HD 6:47 when you realize espio’s voice is deeper than shadows
*2020
Przemek this is not true
@@kasaiflamevoid8008 To hell with espio's voice! his voice is more deeper, and worse than shadows! Espio's voice is not only deeper, But his voice clips also sound extremely hideous, tacky, and obnoxious!
@@user-us7vy4ri6r You're thinking of Charmy, you hellspawn. Not espio.
Who's re watching this whole series in 2020?
just me?
ok
No, I'm here too. For better or worse. XD
*not just you*
No I'm also rewatching this in 2020 lol
Nope. I like watching these kinds of videos; By technical means, it fascinates me. Besides.. the sound chip is a Yamaha chip;
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5:32 I know the feeling, it hertz (hz)
supersoniccraft
Why.
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6:39 funniest part of the video XD
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As supersonic, your ring count also drops slower in 50hz
I found one thing 50Hz has better than 60Hz that you missed in your video but I don't blame you for not spotting it because it involves having a very good ear. The drum samples are a little bit clearer in 50Hz and down pitched slightly matching the drum sample pitch of the first game's drum samples. In 60Hz the drum samples in Sonic 2 are higher pitched and a little bit more compressed. I found this out one day when I was listening to my upload of the soundtrack and was comparing it to others on TH-cam. In other words, 50Hz has the cleaner soundtrack.
We in PAL Land will take all the advantages we can get!
While it may have a slight advantage, it wouldn’t be noticeable to the average human ear and for that reason would be irrelevant. Acknowledgment of a certain fact is what makes the game joyful for me and since I didn’t differentiate the two soundtracks it wouldn’t be important for me. I’m sure people aren’t going to purchase the 50hz version ONLY, because of the fact that the audio quality is better, as yet again it would barely be noticeable.
@@sargonzaya2253Okay Mrs. Debbie downer or Mr. Negative Norman. You've certainly made your opinion in a proud manner. But it's not irrelevant, it would be noticeable to the human ear with a good pair of headphones on listening side by side to a 50Hz and a 60Hz Sonic 2 ost, you can hear that 50Hz has the pitch bend and the clearer drum samples. I was merely pointing out a small fact that redhotsonic missed. If it's means nothing to you (which it obviously does) than GOOD FOR YOU!
1. 2:47 There are also mord things that are syncronized: The ending cutscene, the credits, super sonic transformation, etc.
2. 7:08 And that's why I don't choose sonic and tails in the game.
I stress sonic alone so much to get those emeralds
Thankfully playing the PAL version in 60 Hz doesn't make the music faster, so no reason to import an NTSC copy really :()
Danny Sweeney 2 Either that or a 60 Hz modded PAL SMD, but in some games playing the European games in 60 Hz fucks it all up because it's optimized one way or another for 50 Hz. A lot of times you gotta buy American or Japanese games, but not in this case.
Danny Sweeney 2 Yes, what's your point? If the game is optimized for 50 Hz it'll run too fast in 60 Hz, which is the case for a lot of games.
the check is actually done through software
@Danny Sweeney 2 oh my god shut up
@Danny Sweeney 2 For some games. Others use different programs and using the mismatched one will run fast or slow. I believe all the Sonic games were region detecting though.
Kids with slow reaction times can play European Sonic and have fun.
That's the only advantage I can find.
SouthwesternEagle The other advantage is the music isn't fucked up compared to European Sonic 1.
Also Sonic CD and Sonic 3 were fully optimized for PAL50
Blank Blank Yep the Music is not that annoying as Sonic’s 1 music was in 50 hz,and Sonic is not that slow as mentioned,but i must say special stages of Sonic 2 in 50hz are very laggy and the Controls do not work very well... And for the Checksum i don’t have to wait ages on my european Mega Drive 2 with Sonic 2 it only takes 3 second before jumping into the sega Logo sequence!
I knew you said during your amazing Sonic 1: 50Hz vs 60Hz video that you were going to make a Sonic 2 version of it, and here it is, even better you are officially revealed. :D
Sonic 2 was also my 1st Sonic game I've played in my life on the actual Mega Drive.
I totally forgot about the checksums. Thanks for reminding us all. :O
I preferred the 50Hz version for Sonic 2 because of the music optimisation, having to be a pinch slower, not as slow as Sonic 1. Although the drowning and continue sounds still had the Sonic 1 speed. I always like it for quicker reaction times and the title card when starting a level is only slightly slower.
Oh no, not 5:01, when I was younger it always took me a good while to get to the end without messing up. With Sonic and Tails riding together, that helped a bit.
Playing special stages solo is more recommended so you don't have to worry about Tails randomly running into bombs. It's more fun in 2 player. Sonic 2 special stages weren't the best. But Super Sonic felt rewarding.
I really liked the near ending with your overall reactions shown. Excellent video. Really enjoyed it!
Danny Sweeney 2 That makes sense. I can correct that now.
Nikash Gill Sonic 2 iOS fixed Tails AI so going with AI tails is better as he responds to your movement a lot bette
6:21 Here in the many American regions (I specifically am from Canada), our TVs are wider; Roughly the same width as this video.
Haha I am from Canada too!
The 50hz overscan can be easly removed if you playing on HDTV that have the zoom toggle but for the 50hz clock speed you need a mod, sometimes i like the slow speed of 50hz, but 60hz is better
the funny part is when he said well the special stages are easy in 50Hz
redhotsonic: opens mouth and drops controller
*The PAL was enhanced in Europe is why the music stays normal and no slow-down* 💡
Is the level select cheat easier in 50Hz, since you have more time before the SEGA logo?
what?
sonic 3?
Sonic has always had momentum. The little I played of these special stages I was annoyed at the lack of responsiveness. At 60 hz. But I don't play these because they tend to cause me motion sickness.
9:42 i sat here jamming to the Knuckles drums help
I BLAME MICHAEL FOR THIS
The music isn't at the same pace, just in 50hz the music runs slightly faster to compensate for the speed loss. The game always performs a check on startup for the amount of Hz, speeding up the music if it's in 50hz.
The widescreen thing is only an advantage if you actually use a zoomed in mode on your TV...
Otherwise, what's the point? XD
Unfortunately, the TV I use has a 'zoom' mode that crops a little too much of the image.
I wish it had a fully customisable zoom function. Then it would take up as much of the screen as possible...
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I got used to the PAL version so every time I play in NTSC it feels so faster!
An interesting thing happened with my apple TV. I noticed that Sonic the Hedgehog 2 was running slower on my apple TV compared to my phone, the timer was not counting correctly either. It turns out my apple TV was on its default 1080p 50hz setting, I switched it to 60hz and it fixed sonic.
At least they fixed the music.
Thank god they fixed the music. Makes it much more enjoyable than Sonic 1 by default.
So, redhotsonic, are you going to do a video on Sonic 3? If so, when do you think you're going to do it?
Wait this came out 7 years ago?..... holy shit
Im dealing with something very strange i am from Australia therefore i use pal i own a megadrive which im assuming is the same as all of eu however something i little well off after watching this Video i came rushing to check my sonic 2 and to my surprise its. Acting just like the 60hz version and mine is definitely a pal magadrive although it is a model 2 not original
dshaynie You use PAL-AU, which is always PAL60
dshaynie I'm Australia too however my copy of Sonic the Hedgehog 2 in the PS2 when I play it displays all the problems in the first one.
@@daxternator2117 you can run it pal60, at least on gamecube
@Valientlink I don't have a gamecube unfortunately
Daxternator Gaming its a shitty port. That’s the reason, they based it off of normal PAL and not either Brazil’s PAL or Australia
oh hey it's wedhotsonic doing an infowmative video,nice
I swear they edited this one to go at the same speed as NTSC. It's still 50hz, but they sped the game up so it has quicker gameplay, which makes up for the slowdown? Didn't they do that? Am I just pulling that out of my arse?
8:45 interesting (especially considering Super Sonic is a lunatic in the European comics)
5:31
Slammed controller into the floor
It didnt broke,wow
At that time in Europe the Graal was to get the 60hz RGB japanese console on a recent TV capable of 60hz.
Not all TVs at that time were capable of 60hz.
Never had a problem with PAL Sonic 2 either.
Wow. Very interesting video/topic.
Hello Redhotsonic
very nice video man :)
Right, the different Hz of the power supply in UK vs US 50/60 is what determines the speed the system runs at. Its freq. gen crystal takes the incoming frequency and multiplies it to get the CPU clock speed. That's why UK MegaDrive's run slower. Some games were optimised for 50Hz tho...
"UK" is no abbreviation for "Europe".
Power supply do supply DC voltage to components of the console, 50/60hz does not make a difference. It is linked to the capacity of the TV to withstand 60hz, and that was not the case for all TVs in Europe, so manufacturers had to set video output at 50hz for most compatibility.
I had a japanese SNES it displayed 60hz on my recent TV at that time, game were faster than the european SNES was the graal to have at that time (60hz and RGB via scart) :-)
The pitch sound of sonic 2's Sega screen in 50 hz is better
Toycat is yes
Oh god dang Metropolis zone would be a NIGHTMARE on 50 Hz
I know its an ancient video but the PAL Mega Drives are slightly underclocked hence why it takes longer to load, also the reason for the squished screen is PAL is a higher resolution so because it needs more to fill the screen it looks squished, the actual video quality would be higher on PAL too but hard to tell on modern tvs.
He already stated this on other 50hz vs 60hz videos.
The reward for getting all the chaos emeralds in 50hz is playing 60hz
Well, at lease the music from Sonic the Hedgehog 2 runs at normal speed in the PAL version despite being run at 50 hertz.
8:58 they fixed that on the mobile Christian Whitehead engine version of the game
I play both versions regularly and I never noticed the speed difference, probably because of the music
7:30 I was honestly about to call BS on your claim that you can collect all 7 Chaos Emeralds before Chemical Plant Zone despite failing a special stage until I checked the maps myself. I thought there were only 7 star posts in Emerald Hill, but I was missing one in Emerald Hill Act 2 that you can reach from an elevator platform and a yellow spring hidden high above the first loop.
You can also use PAL in Fusion
Yep, that's what I've always done :)
I find it surprising impressive how the 50Hz versions of the games barring Sonic 1 don't have slown down music.
They somehow have a correction built into Sonic 2 that they greviously removed in Sonic 3 >.
they removed the correction in Sonic 3 so that they can actually directly change the programming for each version, that's why an NTSC U copy won't work in a PAL or NTSC J version, and same thing for the rest of the versions.
So because of the Hz correction, Sonic 2 is not region locked?
Bro no
Huh. I see you're right, I tried Sonic 3 on my Fusion emulator with PAL setting and it started up with an error message. So I started it in NTSC and then switched immediately to PAL. What's up, emulator? XD
Oh my word, there is so much CONTROLLER ABUSE in this video. He drops it in frustration from the special stage, drops it because of exitement from realizing supersonic handled better in 50 HZ, and so many other parts. Please stop the controller abuse, RHS!!! :D
Watt is love. Baby don't Hertz me, no morse.
My cousin calls sonic,
Noinc the headhog
Song It the hog
Wait where’s Sonic CD 50Hz or 60Hz?
Tbh, the 50hz title screen looks better imo, The animations are more springy and natural.
60hz just looks as robotic as a microwave...
Not gonna lie, I liked it better when the music was slowed down too. Felt more in sync with the gameplay.
Can we expect a Sonic 3 comparison anytime soon? :D
Plot twist: the TV is in 50Hz
Haha that slow counter makes 10 minutes a lot longer. Amusing how you just threw Tails into the line of fire at 5:20. Someone has probably already calculated how to avoid that.
You forgot the other major difference between British and Japanese Sonic 2 - Dr. Robotnik's jaunty bowler hat and brolly. And that he dumps scalding hot tea on you in the -Chemical- Twinings Plant Zone boss fight.
Do a sonic 3 comparison plz
The 60Hz and 50Hz versions are the same
no
Electro Kid It happened.
Umm how is your controller not broken yet?
+redhotsonic. Is Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles also optimized on the music side, just like Sonic 2 is? So that the musics on those games will play equal speed on 50hz and 60hz?
Mikko J Yes, and fully optimized so gameplay speed is the exact same
Gotta love Sonic!
So you are a human!!
50Hz gives you more time to put in ur actions
I like the ntsc version of Sonic 2
That poor controller
F
@@backbeats8441 what\
3:22 wood zone music
No wood zone use metropolis theme
It seems 50HZ fixed the music but not the actual speed of gameplay
Guess i was lucky playing the mega collection on ps2 living in europe
At 6:36 I laugh so hard
Why the European consoles in 80's and 90's are 50hz? Why they simply don't run on the normal speed?
Atleast the music isn't slow.
What? Redhotsonic Unmasked? lol
Before watching, this and Mario 1 are probably some of the best games ever made. Crysis is alright. I suppose Doom is in a different category
So i never had a mega drive my first time playing sonic 1 2 and 3 were on the mega collection for ps2 and they used the pal version of sonic 1 which was painful especially compared to other versions i played but sonic 2 and 3 seemed to play fine to me maybe i didnt notice it as much with those games
50Hz is sonic xl (Flying Edition)
hi redhotsonic same tv remote
And I thought 2-Player in 60hz looked bad...
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Same thing I wrote in your sonic video 1. The only ones are Sonic Spinball and the 3
Hey RHS,
Is there a reason why they call the Mega Drive the "Genesis" in America?
Thanks, love your videos.
For copyright reasons.
_Unfortunately for Sega, the "Mega Drive" trademark could not be registered in North America and had to be replaced with the name "Sega Genesis". The trademark was held by a company known as "Mega Drive Systems", who specialised in creating storage devices for home computers._ (from Sega Retro)
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Thanks for researching.
Casey Legolopi No problemo.
Death Egg Zone would be easier wouldn't it?
5:31 oh you massive piece of chicken nugget!
Only issue I can see out of living in America is that it's a pain in the ass to set up and use a ZX Spectrum...
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