I think an interesting take is whoever invented pokeballs saw amoongus, or brute bonnet or some other PokeBall type creature and was inspired to create balls based on that design. Most PokeBall style Pokemon are known for trying to use tricks and trap on their prey, whether that's amoongus, or electrodes, or whatever.
The idea that Sada impacted the entire history of the Pokémon world by being part of a loop where she is just doing simple experiments is kind of terrifying and really puts into perspective how fickle time travel really is. Really makes you wonder whether Dialga or Celebi are doing their job right.
Except the funny thing is she didn't invent the time machine. She used it to bring back Koraidon, but nowhere does it state she brought back the other Paradox Pokemon. Even Heath saw them and documented them in his book well before Sada could've done her work. So that means the time machine has always been there from the start
@@dorkenspache8353 yes but they did do experiments with capturing them and in the final fight they catch an entire team but the odd thing is then they said that something sent back can’t go back to the present but poke balls can
Honestly, this is the best iteration of the “Bootstrap Bonnet” theory I’ve heard, it’s also interesting to note that your Koraidon is in a regular Poké Ball, implying that they were sending a lot of those back before they started using Master Balls. That said I do think it’s more likely that Amoonguss has always looked like that for the same reasons as a ladybug or poison dart frog, and that while Hisui’s Poké Balls were based on the appearance of Voltorb, the developer of the modern Poké Balls thought it looked enough like a Foongus to sneak in a reference to their favorite Pokémon
The fact that they were sending Normal Pokeballs first could be why all the Paradox pokemon in Area 0 (that aren't used by the prof) are wild. Pokeball goes through time, grabs a pokemon, comes back, fails to catch and the Paradox goes free in our time. The Master Ball sent through time before the battle with the prof didn't finish catching whatever it caught until it came back so we know it doesn't wait for the pokemon to be caught before returning. Perhaps the second Koraidon/Miraidon wasn't caught in a ball at the time of the incident that killed the prof and the AI started using Master Balls after that to prevent more incidents. After all when Koraidon/Miraidon acts aggressive to you in the lab the AI is very quick to return it.
Thanks for working with me on my final video this year it's been so lovely to meet you and I reckon we're gonna do a bunch of theories together in 2023
@@CaptainFidget Bro when you look at the SYMBOL on GEETA glove and ELITE 4 members it has the DIAMOND symbol on it just like the strange METAL TABLET in AREA ZERO.🤯
I'd like to offer a possible explanation to Ungaboongus, the Brute Bonnet Pokemon's coloration. Yes, the Pokeballs sent back in time is a possibility, but the color red is commonly used as a warning or to stimulate hunger. Perhaps it used this coloration to ward off potential predators or lure them in to prey on them instead. After all, Ungaboongus is a mushroom dinosaur, and mushrooms are often the last rung on the food chain, decomposing almost anything and returning them to the soil. But once the vegetation of the ancient world declined, it too adapted to the environment and instead of being a brutal hunter/trapper, it became a simple fungus, spreading spores and decomposing the dead and dying. Also, yes. Ungaboongus is what I've dubbed Brute Bonnet and you cannot stop me.
I subscribe to the theory that the Paradox Pokemon are fantasies or dream versions of existing Pokemon that have been made real by whatever is sleeping under Area Zero, and not actually Pokemon from their respective eras. There is a copy of the Scarlet and Violet Books in the Academy that you can read. In there describes the mysteries of the crater, an artistic interpretation of a Legendary Pokemon that is a mash-up of either the Legendary "Dogs" or the Swords of Justice (depending on your version), a case where the writer woke up to notes in his handwriting but has no memory of writing them in the first place, and an oddly incomplete page that refers to something powerful sleeping deep in the crater within an egg of crystal. Whatever this entity is, its crystals that form the bottom of Area Zero are considered an extension of this entity's egg. The Paradox Pokemon already exist in the crater before the events of Scarlet and Violet, even during the first ever expedition centuries ago. Without a doubt, we are totally going to encounter these Legendary Fusion Paradox Pokemon in a DLC. But you have to remember that these Legendaries did not exist when they were drawn, as they were simply an artists' interpretation of what could be there, but not based on any sightings. So if they do appear, the only reason they exist is if the fantasy of the creature was turned real. But how can a fictional creature by a human turn real? There is again a page from the writer detailing notes in his handwriting that he does not remember writing. From that, it is implied that sleeping entity is capable of affecting other people in the somatic; make people do things in their sleep in subtle ways. With that assumption, you can also assume that the Fusion Legendaries may also originate from a dream. This honestly does sound like a crackhead theory, but the Scarlet and Violet Book is the key to uncovering the mystery of the Paradox Pokemon. In any case, it would certainly explain why the Future Paradoxes are all robotic: it's the fantasy of the future, not the actual future.
I REALLY love this theory and I appreciate you delving into the scarlet/violet books. Can't wait for the DLC, I hope it has tons of lore (and fixes the performance lol)
I'm more fan of the theory (that follows the whole imagination into reality theory of the paradoxes) in which says that, sometime into the DLC, something dangerous happens and we, as the main character, would need to use this third legendary as a catalyst to create the Pokémon in the book, either the Legendary Beasts fusion or the Swords of Justice one.
Arven clarifies in the post-postgame that the page on the disc Pokemon is not incomplete, but just smudged, and is so in every copy of the Heath's book. The blocky characters are just how the game is representing that, both there and in Research Lab 1. Almost as if the Pokémon is trying to hide its existence somehow.
I think the best explanation is "biomimicry". We have other past paradox pokemon that represents it. Sandy shocks(magnetons) came first and inspired humans to be aware of magnetism. Koraidon is commonly used since the ancient times so people riding it gives the idea of making an object that acts the same like bikes without using the pokemon. In real life planes are based on birds and fishes. Swimming fins are inspired by duck feets. Humans using animals as inspiration to solve real world problems.
i don't know if my comment actually sent or not but if it did i misread the dex entry im wrong sorry but to this, i ask, how did the brute bonnet make it out alive for so long? if poke balls didn't exist they had no real threat showing off these colors that meant absolutely nothing to other pokémon at the time?
You're missing the theory that tells paradox pokemon are made off the imagination of the scientist that brought them here with the help of the third legendary. That would explain why their Pokedex entries always says that they reassemble something seen in a magazine.
@@josecerrud1079 remember, the professors only went as far as Area Zero. The professors only sent *pokeballs* into the machine itself. They didn't "go" anywhere or see firsthand the environment they got these paradox pokemon from.
@@ronnygeis895 My next question would be "Where did the Sada/Turo AI go", but thinking about it, if the AI were made USING the power of the Terra Crystals, like the Paradox Pokemon theoretically were, then it could be that the AI were just "deleted" after using the "time machine". My mind is being blown right now!
It got confirmed in the dlc so spoilers The machine Sada/Turo made is not a time machine but rather a machine that transfers this as well as other world's stuff from any space or/and time to the machine or desired location in the other worlds depending on the desire of the user of the machine (sada/turo with the paradox pokemon) by using terapagos's power. Basically a multiversal space time machine that grants desires in physical form.
11:44 1) Hisuian forms are not ancient forms, they're regional. They didn't evolved into modern counterparts, they went extinct. 2) Hisuian Zoroark is just Unovan one, but dead.
Thank you, I knew I read it somewhere in the game. That regular Zorua where brought to Hisui and died, and then came back to life through pure resentment (like a cursed spirit, lol)
According to Pokémon Scarlet, the inventor of the modern Pokeball design really likes Foongus, and based the pattern off of that. This means that since Foongus inspired the modern Pokeball in the first place, it is not a form of biomimicry but a designer’s love for their favorite pokemon. Since Foongus came first, there is no reason why Brute Bonnet’s pattern should be seen as impossible.
In at least a few Pokémon games, literally *anyone* would be able to win a Master Ball through the lottery - in the games we recall this being a thing, the lottery was held in a television broadcasting building or radio tower.
11:42 Hisuian Zoroark and Zorua is the opposite of most Hisuian pokemon as it became a ghost/normal type out of pure malice from dying in the harsh conditions of the region, like how Galarian Corsola existed because of the change in water conditions. It was Unovan prior to that so bad example.
You know, the dex entry for Amoongus in this game explains clearly that Pokeballs were inspired by the pattern on Foongus and Amoongus. There is your entire video in one sentence. Also the Paradox Pokemon aren't actually from the past or future, but we will have to wait for the DLC to learn the full extent of what these Paradox Pokemon are
Hey do not forget this gem. "A Shipful of Shivers" Pokémon the Series: Indigo League: Season 2, Episode 15 Within that episode at 17:04, Gastly and Haunter state they been guarding the ship and the Orange Island League trophy for "centuries"! Then at 17:50, you can clearly see MODERN POKEBALLS. I know the anime is not the "Law" on this, but food for thought. This has been bugging me since the Celebi movie, when you see young Oak with a vastly different pokeball. Anyone else remember this?
Cool theory bros, but I don’t get why it has to be so complicated. If you make the pokeball look like foongus and foongus already looks like brute bonnet, then wouldn’t it make sense that the pokeball would resemble brute bonnet as well? It’s like how a kid can look just like their grandparents as they grow up. A child looks like their parents, but the parents look like the grandparents. By that reasoning it makes sense that the grandchild looks like the grandparents except a bit more different. The pokeball seems to be the same. If you are taking everything from the anime as evidence, then your theory is the most viable, but I doubt the relevance of the anime. After all, the anime ignores many fundamental mechanics such as PP, turns and speed-stats, and movesets. I don’t think that the anime logic is s very sound reference, but I did learn some neat stuff from this.
Just one thing: it’s possible prehistoric Amoonguss is not actually from the past. Before doing theories, we have to wait a potential DLC or third game.
12:40 - OBJECTION! It should look like a Master Ball if that were true. The fact that only the shinies look like that is further proof. If it were based on Master Balls, it'd be reversed. 12:50 - More likely is that the inventors of Pokeballs used Amoongus as inspiration for the balls. 14:00 - It's simpler than that. They go to a region with Foongus & base their balls off of it. *Occam's razor.*
Love videos about the Pokémon lore especially when explaining perplexing questions like how these Pokémon look like pokeballs before they were invented, fantastic job!
Because while his design was based off a pokeball, his ingame lore species isn't, much like the convergent pokémon, except this is a pokemon to item convergency
Humans in the real world: "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" Humans in the Pokemon World: "What came first, pokemon that look like pokeballs or pokeballs?"
There's no way Hisuian Voltorb evolved specifically to look like an Apricorn Poké Ball. The centuries or millenia old Electrode statue at the Temple of Sinnoh looked exactly like Hisuian Electrode as it appears in Legends.
A reminder that we have canonical evidence that the pokeballs have no power to shrink down the Pokemon, it's the Pokemon itself that shrinks down. Was first witnessed by a researcher accidentally weakened a Primeape who then shrunk down and was captured inside his glasses case. I know this is some pre-gen one stuff but until someone at Game Freak tells me it's no longer canon I'm still gonna at least consider it.
I believe another good explanation is the theory posted by tyranitartube, his idea makes brute bonnet and some of the other paradox mon's make a lot more sense
I think the reason the modern day Voltorb and Electrode are angry and explode is becuse of people plugging the vent in their Hisuian ancestors, and preventing them from discharging their electricity, which leads them to explode
I like the theory that the Paradox Pokemon are not actually from the future or past, and we're instead created by the "time machine". Which is actually not a time machine, and is instead harnessing the powers of the third legendary to create them based on imagination.
In LPA , pokeballs been inspired at first from voltorbs of hisui, but later there were other voltorbs that we have now in present, so they were inspired from new one
Brute Bonnet is a “paradox Pokémon” because it’s not possible for it to resemble a PokeBall. It’s not actually from the past and Sada/Turo’s machine isn’t actually a time machine.
I’m not sure I’m getting why the creators of Pokeballs didn’t just base the design off of Foongus. If they’re descendants of Brute Bonnet, why are we assuming that Brute Bonnet changed how it looked?
That’s what I was thinking. If you make the object look like a certain something, but that certain something already resembles something else then wouldn’t that mean that the object look like both of them at the same time?
In terms of magic, I think it’s specifically interesting that the only time spellcasting is spoken about in any Pokémon sources I know, it involves ghost types. While Aura Guardians can manipulate infinity energy and Psychic can manipulate mental energy (which may itself be a facet of infinity energy) I think there are people out there that are able to manipulate spirit energy, much like ghost Pokémon. The spell that sealed Spiritomb. This girl in johto who used a special potion to turn Ash into a Pikachu. These sorts of things go against the natural order in some way.
Yeah, there's only one question: if Brute Bonet evolved to look like a Pokeball cuz it saw them coming from the Future and if Sada was sending only Master Balls to capture the Paradox Pokemon, wouldn't Brute Bonet have the shape and colors of the Master Ball? Why would it have the colours of a Pokeball if it never saw one cuz it only saw Master Balls? I'm not talking about the Shiny Form, cuz if that was the case then the Red one would be Shiny while the Purple one would be the Standard one.
@@chonflis3834 true, i haven't thought about your Koraidon, but then again they never mentioned that they sent Pokeballs to the past to capture it, we know that Pokeballs aren't the only things that can time travel as we see the Professor's AI going into the Time Machine, so they could just have pulled Koraidon from the past and capture it in a Pokeball in the present day. Still speculation tho. But still, Bonnet should have Master Ball pattern even if they sent Pokeballs first cuz Master Balls are more powerful and so more frightening and since they were more abundant than Pokeballs after the Pokeballs failed then it would make more sense if it had Master Ball pattern, it coul have first make the Pokeball patern but then it would adapt to the Master Ball, if not Bonnet then modern day Amoonguss. Then again, time travel is a headache, we could possibly be talking about a different Universe, the Master Balls traveled back in time but to an alternative Universe, so Brute Bonnet wouldn't evolve into modern day Amoonguss.
@@KorvalisPT why would a master ball be more menacing? We see that the ball doesn't do the clicky clicky until *after* it returns to the present so they wouldn't know if the balls failed or not. And If she started with regular balls and the bonnet adopted the red camo, there's no reason it would change to the cooler master ball if the red and white works fine cuz evolution doesn't go for "perfect", it goes for "good enough"
@@chonflis3834 the same way we don't know if they captured Koraidon in the present since it was the first Pokemon to come through the Time Machine, we don't know if all Pokeballs make the click until they arrive at the present. Remember that some Pokeballs don't even wiggle and immediately release the Pokemon, so, going for 3/10 chances of being captures to 10/10, tell me which one is more freighting? Sure, Evolution is about good enough adaptation, 3/10 chances aren't good enough and with the overabundance of Master Balls in the past then it would most certainly became Master Ball pattern... and yet, then again, if they became Pokeball Patern due to seeing Pokeballs then wouldn't they be just no patern at all since this would be the first time they saw Pokeballs and it would take hundreds of years for them to adapt to the Pokeball patern?
If you consider that the paradox pokemon that exist in the crater came through the time machine but weren't captured, hence running around everywhere, then it's possible that these were the subjects they tried to bring over in Pokeballs which then broke free. Just bringing them through was enough for Sada as she was building her paradise. But when the second Koraidon proved to be so aggressive she switched to masterballs. Little additional theory for you
My belief is that all of the pokeball-like mon came first and whoever made pokeballs tried to base them off of all the pokeball pokemon but originally failed and sometime later on in history someone made them more like all those other pokemon.
i mean, to be fair? it's stated in-universe scientists have NO idea why amoongus looks like a pokeball. WE know, it's so they can surprise us when we try to pick up an item, but i mean in-universe. hell, foongus' scarlet raises the theory the creator of the pokeball just really liked Foongus.
I disagree. I honestly think the Pokemon who look like PokeBalls just came first and people thought the design was cool, and remember both the mega and non mega timelines exist so the time travel would only explain how they were developed in the mega timeline
Is there any confirmation that Scarlet and Violet occur on the Mega timeline? Or that their equivalent of the non mega timeline doesn't occur? Could that mean that a time traveler from the mega timeline and the non-mega time line could interact? Could that impact a non-mega timeline to become a mega-timeline or vice versa?
@@just_a_cabbage7756 the magazine that talk about Roaring Moon make a reference to the Mega. I remember people just assumed SS take place in no-mega universe because Mega wasn't in-game, when... that isn't a proof, and SV perfectly showed that, since not only we have a confirmation SS already took place in SV, but we have a confirmation about Mega existence. Unless there is no direct confirmation about being in a no-Mega universe, there is no reason to think the new games take place there. The Mega universe are just the ones GF decided to stick with. And btw, the Dex pretty much confirm the Poké Ball design was inspired by Foonguss pattern. I have no idea why people continue to assume the Ball came first...
@@zarxiel2339 Oh right, they mentioned the similarity, I assumed it was just a meta reference. And yes, the Pokéball was inspired by Foongus, but what the video is implying is a time loop. 1. In order to ward off predators, Brute Bonnet evolves to mimic the patter of a mysterious object that randomly appears and makes its predators disappear. 2. Brute Bonnet develops into the modern Foongus and Amonguss. 3. Pokéball's modern design takes inspiration from Foongus. 4. Sada randomly throws Pokéballs through a time machine. And rinse and repeat for all eternity. The video also implies that the Pokéballs thrown also landed in certain points in time where humans were alive, influencing the society of Pokémon forever.
@@just_a_cabbage7756 considering the behevior of Brute Bonnet... I doubt this is a kind of Pokémon that need to mimic an object to avoid predators... Bruto Bonnet seems to be a predator and how others people pointed out. Sada showed to use Master Balls, not regular Poké Balls, so, if the theory was correct, Brute Bonnet would have a Master Ball pattern, not a Poké Ball pattern, completly destroying the theory. So no... Brute Bonnet (and descendants) just had that pattern and in future the Poké Ball inventor just took that pattern as inspiration, nothing else. There is no actual need to be a time loop or anything complicated.
Talking about the picture of the weird person in a super hero like suit with pokeballs around their neck. Wasnt there a house in Legends Arceus where the dialog in the cabinet was "its some sort of strange suit"?
very possible timeline: brute bonnet over the course of an amount of years changed into amogus, and then whoever invented the first pokeball, based it off amogus, or just, saw brute bonnet and when inventioning it they based it off
Speaking of bootstrap paradoxes, I have a theory that it's exactly this that caused Heath and his expedition team to discover the Paradox Pokémon before Sada and Turo even invented the time machine. In order to "dispose" of Paradox Pokémon, Sada/Turo could have sent them to the past (and future?), to Heath's time. Maybe they did it to prove to Heath that whatever he saw was real? Idk lol
Duddeee I literally had these same questions! I've also been wondering how Sandy Shocks was made of steel when the invention of steal is only around 4000 years ago. But if it's not one designated point in time AND there has already been influence of modern matierals from the pokeball capturing scream tail 1 billion years ago.... its starting to make more sense
Sandy shocks is still a weird pokemon. It's supposed to be covered in ironsand so I guess the iron it's made of is naturally occurring, but I'm under the impression that none of the paradox pokemon would exist without the professors interference
Even weirder is the whole Magnemite family in general. They feel like they were artificial pokemon but then existing in ancient times and evolving raises even more questions.
@@booleah6357 Even ignoring Sandy Shocks, we see Magnemite in AZ's flashback story - in the Kalos of 3000 years ago. Still, the Pokemon world does have its own history separate from Earth, so...
@@MrAuthor3DS there are some really weird pokemon. I'd love like a story from a professors viewpoint where game freak actually explains some of the ecology a bit better.
I feel like with how some modern technology is based on how animals work, it kinda makes sense that ancient people saw brute bonnet and said "hey, that'd be a cool design for this device to catch this kind of creature"
Doesn't the official Pokémon book irl explain that Scientist got a mankey really really sedated and it curled up enough to fit inside of a ball? Idk what color you're seeing but that brute bonnet is blue not purple.
You are getting a sub I thought the exact same thing and mentioned to somebody in there comments I also think this variability in location and time is also why there are paridox pokemon before the time machine is made and is another boot strap paridox as the professors are inspired to make the time machine because of the book and the book only exists because of pokemon being brought to far or not far enough through time
This was a great video and I wanted to leave my thoughts on something I just thought of for the video. If it was master balls that brute bonnet was seeing wouldn't it make more sense for its regular form to be purple instead of red and it's shiny to be red? Since it would try to make itself look like the master balls I think that would have made more sense design-wise. Thank you for listening :)
Drayden from B2W2 says when he was little he remembers the shift to pokeballs. So that suggests the events in Hisui were like only 80 years ago (or Drayden has lived a very long time)
I think that someone just saw a Pokémon that looks like a poke ball and got the idea to create a capsule to capture wild Pokémon coming up with a ball shaped design based on the poke ball shaped Pokémon
If you read the description entry for foongus it mentions that the creator of the pokeball really liked foongus. So maybe foongus and amoongus actually came first and the balls are modeled after the Pokémon. Not the other way around.
My original idea was that brute bonnet was drawn a lot in cave paintings, so Hisuian voltorb and electrode, living in caves before the invention of flashlights, could disguise themselves as the cave paintings, and poke balls were based on a combination of the two. But your idea is definitely better.
Dont like complaining but major mistake it’s stated and heavily implied in game that voltorb looking like that came before pokeballs. Melii says that the only good thing about pokeballs is that they were based off voltorb, which while it may not be true that they were based off voltorb does mean that voltorb were before pokeballs which is further implied by the fact pokeballs are a recent invention leaving no time for adapting to look like one. Though I do like the theory of the time paradox making Pokémon evolve to look like pokeballs
It's pretty simple actually, Brute bonnet, fungus and it's evolution originally had the PokeBall pattern, so the person who modernized the pokeball likes fungus and based it off that. To explain Voltorb, it is like all other plant pokemon just a plant, an apricorn pokemon and since PokeBall where made from apricorn hisuan Voltorb just coincidentally looks like the pokeballs from hisui. Now to explain in kantonian Voltorb, since the hisuan Voltorbs hole where getting closed they kept exploding, making them angry and have a hatred on humanity, so in the modern day they adapt the PokeBall patter to attract people on picking it up to then release it's anger upon them by exploding.
I was going to say this isn't how evolution works, but then I realized it is. Because while the master balls may not have killed them it did remove them from the gene pool of their localized ecosystem, which would have the same effect. So the amoongus who look slightly more like a pokeball, even vaguely, are less likely to die, and more likely to pass on those genes. And eventually become what they are now. All because of this one event causing the amoongus's predators to be terrified of this one particular thing they could easily resemble
Isn't it much more simpler than the time machine isn't actually a time machine but a dream machine created by the third legendary that created terastalization? So Brute Bonnet is just a creature created by Sada's imagination. That's why the occulture magazine articles say there are no fossils of Volcarona from back then and use ridiculous unscientific numbers like a billion years ago for the fake ancient jigglypuff. Paradox pokémon aren't real.
Oh finally a very good theory on the brute bonnet paradox, which makes the most sense if time travelling is real. Currently there is the debate of if the paradox Pokémon were imaginary Pokémon made by the third legendary, and manifested by humans who travelled into the crater or by Sada/Turo, but the only reason as to why that theory fails is that there are photos of both Big tusk and iron tusk.. considering iron tusk is based on a futuristic design, no one from 200 years ago had any idea what a led screen is lol.
I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that Zorua were taken from Unova and brought to Hisui, where they died due to the harsh weather conditions and came back to life from resentment as de Hisuian form. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Random theory that popped in my head; Since people think that Voltorb and Electrode are pokéballs that are possessed by a pokémon, maybe they're possessed by Voltorb from the past that were ousted and /or abused by humans. Probably a stretch, but random ideas do what they will. Edit: misspell
I mean, according to Scarlet, the leading theory is that the inventor of the Poké Ball just really liked Foongus, which if said inventor is Professor Laventon, makes a lot of sense.
2:00 Then shouldn't ALL pokémon be able to learn the move Minimize from LV1? 3:00 This is where the 2 Jade Cocoon games come into play. Firstly, Terrains, battle initiative, overworld encounters, mon vs trainer (PLA) from the first game are mechanics of Pokémon now and the second Jade cocoon game, Mamern is a paradox of Slither Wing, Blumen is a paradox of Great Tusks, Shroomie (no pokéball design) is a paradox of Brute Bonnet (Shroomie SAW the time-travelled ball and adapted), Amorg is a Paradox of BOTH Cetitan and Heatran, you use what's called a beast amulet to battle in a 9 pokémon rotation style battle (introduced AFTER, 3 pokemon style in Black/white), Ogre Vine Giant boss battles (Raid Dens), and most of all you catch these using what's called Divine Silk , play a flute and cocoon the Mon.
It’s possible that masterballs are extremely difficult and expensive to make which is why the exist only in small quantities. I imagine the complexity and quality of materials increases with each pokeball stage and the masterball is currently where it plateaued.
All this explanation makes sense that Sans will be the overarching antagonist of all Pokemon. Since he can travel through timelines. He would be possessing AI Sada and AI Turo. You can tell because of the blue eyes and the music that was made by Toby Fox.
So electrode and voltorb is the original idea brute bonnet is the future version and rn voltorb and electrode evolved into the pokeball colour and texture to be more hidden by hiding as a pokeball and explode its prey? Im guessin
I just assumed this was an oversight. But if the theory is legit its now one of my favorite paradox mons, it feel like they've been building up this piece of pokeball lore since B/W (which they most definitely were not, but still)
It's just that I still don't understand how it would be possible for humans to have been inspired by the fongus to create the PokeBall, or at least get the design from there, it's like using self-sabotage, I doubt that people At that time they have not realized how their defense system used by the fongus worked, and give them advantages to be confused by pokeball and the problems it would bring , I still don't make sense to it idk
Theory: In the original unchanged timeline (no changes from any time machine travelers), Amoonguss and Burte Bonnet did not exist. In the distant future someone genetically created a Mushroom Pokémon and made it look like a Pokéball. That was Brute Bonnet. He then sent brute bonnet for some reason into the prehistoric past, and that created the timeline we are in. Over time, Brute bonnet changed and slowly "evolved" into Amoonguss. For the people of that timeline who don't know the truth, its a Pokémon that came naturalyl into being.
It all gets even more boggling when you take Kerrablast/Shelmet into account since their existence necessitates that the storage and transfer network needs to use electricity as part of its medium for either the data stored in the balls or transferred across space-time. Unless the scientists of Unova and a few other regions can't differentiate between electrical energy and whatever frequencies are actually at play.
The way I see it there are two possibilities. 1. The coloration and pattern are some kind of lure. Brute Bonnet ain't got those predator jaws for nothing. What they are imitating is unknown. Could be Voltorb, Apricorns, or some kind of plant with that coloration. Doesn't matter. But the success rate in hunting with it must've been good enough that not only did Brute Bonnet's descendants Foongus and Amoongus keep the pattern, they specialized in it. And Galarian Stunfisk is using that same kind of lure to draw in prey. What could they be imitating I wonder if this is true? 2. The color and pattern don't mimic anything. Instead it's a warning. Kind of like how Poison Dart Frogs, Coral Snakes, and Blue Ring Octopi have those warning colors on their bodies, this could be warning that it'd be a death sentence to prey on it. Possibly that Voltorb and Electrode also had similar colors it reinforced that red and white in that pattern was something to not be messed with. The person that developed the modern Pokeball then saw the Foongus line and got inspired for a design for their capture device.
The problem I have with the adaptation theory, is the fact that Brute Bonnet has as a pokeball pattern. When the time machines are sending Master Balls
I think an interesting take is whoever invented pokeballs saw amoongus, or brute bonnet or some other PokeBall type creature and was inspired to create balls based on that design. Most PokeBall style Pokemon are known for trying to use tricks and trap on their prey, whether that's amoongus, or electrodes, or whatever.
This
Im pretty sure the pokedex entry for amoonguss or fonguss states that who invented the poke ball was someone who likes really much the pokemon.
Ya that makes way more sense.
@@i_dont_care1575 the scarlet entry
In real life, suction cups and reflectors were inspired by octopi and cat eyes respectively, so it just makes sense.
The idea that Sada impacted the entire history of the Pokémon world by being part of a loop where she is just doing simple experiments is kind of terrifying and really puts into perspective how fickle time travel really is. Really makes you wonder whether Dialga or Celebi are doing their job right.
@EL Dialga not a fan
@el7075 dialga looked at it went ah I'll deal with it if it gets really bad
I was thinking about that
Except the funny thing is she didn't invent the time machine. She used it to bring back Koraidon, but nowhere does it state she brought back the other Paradox Pokemon. Even Heath saw them and documented them in his book well before Sada could've done her work. So that means the time machine has always been there from the start
@@dorkenspache8353 yes but they did do experiments with capturing them and in the final fight they catch an entire team but the odd thing is then they said that something sent back can’t go back to the present but poke balls can
Honestly, this is the best iteration of the “Bootstrap Bonnet” theory I’ve heard, it’s also interesting to note that your Koraidon is in a regular Poké Ball, implying that they were sending a lot of those back before they started using Master Balls.
That said I do think it’s more likely that Amoonguss has always looked like that for the same reasons as a ladybug or poison dart frog, and that while Hisui’s Poké Balls were based on the appearance of Voltorb, the developer of the modern Poké Balls thought it looked enough like a Foongus to sneak in a reference to their favorite Pokémon
The fact that they were sending Normal Pokeballs first could be why all the Paradox pokemon in Area 0 (that aren't used by the prof) are wild. Pokeball goes through time, grabs a pokemon, comes back, fails to catch and the Paradox goes free in our time. The Master Ball sent through time before the battle with the prof didn't finish catching whatever it caught until it came back so we know it doesn't wait for the pokemon to be caught before returning. Perhaps the second Koraidon/Miraidon wasn't caught in a ball at the time of the incident that killed the prof and the AI started using Master Balls after that to prevent more incidents. After all when Koraidon/Miraidon acts aggressive to you in the lab the AI is very quick to return it.
Thanks for working with me on my final video this year it's been so lovely to meet you and I reckon we're gonna do a bunch of theories together in 2023
I'm always up for more collabs
I’m definitely looking forward to more collaboration videos with you two
God Toby. This comment. Precious. A match made in heaven
@@CaptainFidget Bro when you look at the SYMBOL on GEETA glove and ELITE 4 members it has the DIAMOND symbol on it just like the strange METAL TABLET in AREA ZERO.🤯
Woo!
I'd like to offer a possible explanation to Ungaboongus, the Brute Bonnet Pokemon's coloration. Yes, the Pokeballs sent back in time is a possibility, but the color red is commonly used as a warning or to stimulate hunger. Perhaps it used this coloration to ward off potential predators or lure them in to prey on them instead. After all, Ungaboongus is a mushroom dinosaur, and mushrooms are often the last rung on the food chain, decomposing almost anything and returning them to the soil. But once the vegetation of the ancient world declined, it too adapted to the environment and instead of being a brutal hunter/trapper, it became a simple fungus, spreading spores and decomposing the dead and dying.
Also, yes. Ungaboongus is what I've dubbed Brute Bonnet and you cannot stop me.
Ungaboongus. Noted.
Maybe the opposite why PokeBall look like how is it now is it from inspiration from or coincidence
Ungaboongus!!!!!!!!!
Ungaboongus is beautiful, I will forever name my Brute Bonnets that. Thank you.
The first shiny Paradox Pokemon is in fact Brute Bonnet so I'm nicknaming it that
I subscribe to the theory that the Paradox Pokemon are fantasies or dream versions of existing Pokemon that have been made real by whatever is sleeping under Area Zero, and not actually Pokemon from their respective eras.
There is a copy of the Scarlet and Violet Books in the Academy that you can read. In there describes the mysteries of the crater, an artistic interpretation of a Legendary Pokemon that is a mash-up of either the Legendary "Dogs" or the Swords of Justice (depending on your version), a case where the writer woke up to notes in his handwriting but has no memory of writing them in the first place, and an oddly incomplete page that refers to something powerful sleeping deep in the crater within an egg of crystal. Whatever this entity is, its crystals that form the bottom of Area Zero are considered an extension of this entity's egg. The Paradox Pokemon already exist in the crater before the events of Scarlet and Violet, even during the first ever expedition centuries ago.
Without a doubt, we are totally going to encounter these Legendary Fusion Paradox Pokemon in a DLC. But you have to remember that these Legendaries did not exist when they were drawn, as they were simply an artists' interpretation of what could be there, but not based on any sightings. So if they do appear, the only reason they exist is if the fantasy of the creature was turned real. But how can a fictional creature by a human turn real? There is again a page from the writer detailing notes in his handwriting that he does not remember writing. From that, it is implied that sleeping entity is capable of affecting other people in the somatic; make people do things in their sleep in subtle ways. With that assumption, you can also assume that the Fusion Legendaries may also originate from a dream.
This honestly does sound like a crackhead theory, but the Scarlet and Violet Book is the key to uncovering the mystery of the Paradox Pokemon.
In any case, it would certainly explain why the Future Paradoxes are all robotic: it's the fantasy of the future, not the actual future.
I REALLY love this theory and I appreciate you delving into the scarlet/violet books. Can't wait for the DLC, I hope it has tons of lore (and fixes the performance lol)
I'm more fan of the theory (that follows the whole imagination into reality theory of the paradoxes) in which says that, sometime into the DLC, something dangerous happens and we, as the main character, would need to use this third legendary as a catalyst to create the Pokémon in the book, either the Legendary Beasts fusion or the Swords of Justice one.
Arven clarifies in the post-postgame that the page on the disc Pokemon is not incomplete, but just smudged, and is so in every copy of the Heath's book. The blocky characters are just how the game is representing that, both there and in Research Lab 1. Almost as if the Pokémon is trying to hide its existence somehow.
I think the best explanation is "biomimicry". We have other past paradox pokemon that represents it. Sandy shocks(magnetons) came first and inspired humans to be aware of magnetism. Koraidon is commonly used since the ancient times so people riding it gives the idea of making an object that acts the same like bikes without using the pokemon. In real life planes are based on birds and fishes. Swimming fins are inspired by duck feets. Humans using animals as inspiration to solve real world problems.
i don't know if my comment actually sent or not but if it did i misread the dex entry im wrong sorry
but to this, i ask, how did the brute bonnet make it out alive for so long? if poke balls didn't exist they had no real threat showing off these colors that meant absolutely nothing to other pokémon at the time?
You're missing the theory that tells paradox pokemon are made off the imagination of the scientist that brought them here with the help of the third legendary. That would explain why their Pokedex entries always says that they reassemble something seen in a magazine.
@Soggy Android very similar to the series Dark, where there are two worlds split from the origin world!
I get the sneaking suspicion that Brute Bonnett isn't actually from the past, and that Sada/Turo's machine isn't a time machine
Then where did dads / turo go to then? 😆 I’m sure the designers didn’t think about the design of this Pokémon.
@@josecerrud1079 remember, the professors only went as far as Area Zero. The professors only sent *pokeballs* into the machine itself. They didn't "go" anywhere or see firsthand the environment they got these paradox pokemon from.
@@ronnygeis895 My next question would be "Where did the Sada/Turo AI go", but thinking about it, if the AI were made USING the power of the Terra Crystals, like the Paradox Pokemon theoretically were, then it could be that the AI were just "deleted" after using the "time machine".
My mind is being blown right now!
It got confirmed in the dlc so spoilers
The machine Sada/Turo made is not a time machine but rather a machine that transfers this as well as other world's stuff from any space or/and time to the machine or desired location in the other worlds depending on the desire of the user of the machine (sada/turo with the paradox pokemon) by using terapagos's power.
Basically a multiversal space time machine that grants desires in physical form.
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1) Hisuian forms are not ancient forms, they're regional. They didn't evolved into modern counterparts, they went extinct.
2) Hisuian Zoroark is just Unovan one, but dead.
Thank you, I knew I read it somewhere in the game. That regular Zorua where brought to Hisui and died, and then came back to life through pure resentment (like a cursed spirit, lol)
According to Pokémon Scarlet, the inventor of the modern Pokeball design really likes Foongus, and based the pattern off of that. This means that since Foongus inspired the modern Pokeball in the first place, it is not a form of biomimicry but a designer’s love for their favorite pokemon. Since Foongus came first, there is no reason why Brute Bonnet’s pattern should be seen as impossible.
Thank you! Finally someone else who actually reads the dex!
theres also the fruit that the early pokeballs were based on that Hisuin Voltorb and Electrode hide among.
In at least a few Pokémon games, literally *anyone* would be able to win a Master Ball through the lottery - in the games we recall this being a thing, the lottery was held in a television broadcasting building or radio tower.
They know the chance of winning is astronomicaly low
Maybe having the power to catch one Pokémon guaranteed has the same effect on a person's life as having a million dollars.
11:42 Hisuian Zoroark and Zorua is the opposite of most Hisuian pokemon as it became a ghost/normal type out of pure malice from dying in the harsh conditions of the region, like how Galarian Corsola existed because of the change in water conditions. It was Unovan prior to that so bad example.
That's a fair point. That was an editor choice and something I failed to catch. The point still stands for other hisuian pokemon though
You know, the dex entry for Amoongus in this game explains clearly that Pokeballs were inspired by the pattern on Foongus and Amoongus. There is your entire video in one sentence. Also the Paradox Pokemon aren't actually from the past or future, but we will have to wait for the DLC to learn the full extent of what these Paradox Pokemon are
Hey do not forget this gem.
"A Shipful of Shivers" Pokémon the Series: Indigo League: Season 2, Episode 15
Within that episode at 17:04, Gastly and Haunter state they been guarding the ship and the Orange Island League trophy for "centuries"!
Then at 17:50, you can clearly see MODERN POKEBALLS. I know the anime is not the "Law" on this, but food for thought. This has been bugging me since the Celebi movie, when you see young Oak with a vastly different pokeball.
Anyone else remember this?
Cool theory bros, but I don’t get why it has to be so complicated. If you make the pokeball look like foongus and foongus already looks like brute bonnet, then wouldn’t it make sense that the pokeball would resemble brute bonnet as well? It’s like how a kid can look just like their grandparents as they grow up. A child looks like their parents, but the parents look like the grandparents. By that reasoning it makes sense that the grandchild looks like the grandparents except a bit more different. The pokeball seems to be the same.
If you are taking everything from the anime as evidence, then your theory is the most viable, but I doubt the relevance of the anime. After all, the anime ignores many fundamental mechanics such as PP, turns and speed-stats, and movesets. I don’t think that the anime logic is s very sound reference, but I did learn some neat stuff from this.
Just one thing: it’s possible prehistoric Amoonguss is not actually from the past. Before doing theories, we have to wait a potential DLC or third game.
12:40 - OBJECTION! It should look like a Master Ball if that were true. The fact that only the shinies look like that is further proof. If it were based on Master Balls, it'd be reversed.
12:50 - More likely is that the inventors of Pokeballs used Amoongus as inspiration for the balls.
14:00 - It's simpler than that. They go to a region with Foongus & base their balls off of it. *Occam's razor.*
This is my final video of the year and my most in depth on Scarlet and Violet
One of the best of the year too. 👀 Awesome work!
Love videos about the Pokémon lore especially when explaining perplexing questions like how these Pokémon look like pokeballs before they were invented, fantastic job!
Glad you enjoy it
@@CaptainFidget what if use crystals like terra gems ?
Because while his design was based off a pokeball, his ingame lore species isn't, much like the convergent pokémon, except this is a pokemon to item convergency
God, imagine being a Pokémon minding your own business and suddenly a purple orb appears and eats you
Humans in the real world: "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"
Humans in the Pokemon World: "What came first, pokemon that look like pokeballs or pokeballs?"
There's no way Hisuian Voltorb evolved specifically to look like an Apricorn Poké Ball. The centuries or millenia old Electrode statue at the Temple of Sinnoh looked exactly like Hisuian Electrode as it appears in Legends.
A reminder that we have canonical evidence that the pokeballs have no power to shrink down the Pokemon, it's the Pokemon itself that shrinks down. Was first witnessed by a researcher accidentally weakened a Primeape who then shrunk down and was captured inside his glasses case. I know this is some pre-gen one stuff but until someone at Game Freak tells me it's no longer canon I'm still gonna at least consider it.
This is it. THIS is the definitive video on Pokeball lore and history.
I believe another good explanation is the theory posted by tyranitartube, his idea makes brute bonnet and some of the other paradox mon's make a lot more sense
I think the reason the modern day Voltorb and Electrode are angry and explode is becuse of people plugging the vent in their Hisuian ancestors, and preventing them from discharging their electricity, which leads them to explode
Basically what happened to Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark
I like the theory that the Paradox Pokemon are not actually from the future or past, and we're instead created by the "time machine". Which is actually not a time machine, and is instead harnessing the powers of the third legendary to create them based on imagination.
In LPA , pokeballs been inspired at first from voltorbs of hisui, but later there were other voltorbs that we have now in present, so they were inspired from new one
Time travelling Batesian mimicry. I can get behind that.
Once a wise man said: "But that's just a theory, a GAME THEORY!"
Brute Bonnet is a “paradox Pokémon” because it’s not possible for it to resemble a PokeBall. It’s not actually from the past and Sada/Turo’s machine isn’t actually a time machine.
Ok im getting tired of this theory now
I just wanna have oongaboongus
2:05 I think old pokeballs use the shrink method while modern ones use the energy method
I agree it is the only way pc systems would work
@@kretisme yeah
I think this is a case like who came first? The egg or the dinosaur?
And I believe that brute bonnet came first due to foongus’ pokedéx entry.
Looking at the Foongus or Amoongus Pokédex entries, I think that's the answer
I’m not sure I’m getting why the creators of Pokeballs didn’t just base the design off of Foongus. If they’re descendants of Brute Bonnet, why are we assuming that Brute Bonnet changed how it looked?
That’s what I was thinking. If you make the object look like a certain something, but that certain something already resembles something else then wouldn’t that mean that the object look like both of them at the same time?
The dex entry for Foongus all but confirms that this is exactly what happened.
In terms of magic, I think it’s specifically interesting that the only time spellcasting is spoken about in any Pokémon sources I know, it involves ghost types. While Aura Guardians can manipulate infinity energy and Psychic can manipulate mental energy (which may itself be a facet of infinity energy) I think there are people out there that are able to manipulate spirit energy, much like ghost Pokémon. The spell that sealed Spiritomb. This girl in johto who used a special potion to turn Ash into a Pikachu. These sorts of things go against the natural order in some way.
A new theory is they're actually coming from someone's imagination entei style
Damn that's a great thumbnail!!! And a great video. Good work!
This is what makes it a paradox, it’s not actually from the past.
Pokémon explicitly takes place in a created world. Mew and Arceus just really like the Pokéball aesthetic.
Yeah, there's only one question: if Brute Bonet evolved to look like a Pokeball cuz it saw them coming from the Future and if Sada was sending only Master Balls to capture the Paradox Pokemon, wouldn't Brute Bonet have the shape and colors of the Master Ball? Why would it have the colours of a Pokeball if it never saw one cuz it only saw Master Balls? I'm not talking about the Shiny Form, cuz if that was the case then the Red one would be Shiny while the Purple one would be the Standard one.
Your kor/miraidon is in a regular pokeball, so she probably started with normal ones and only swapped to master balls when they didn't work.
@@chonflis3834 true, i haven't thought about your Koraidon, but then again they never mentioned that they sent Pokeballs to the past to capture it, we know that Pokeballs aren't the only things that can time travel as we see the Professor's AI going into the Time Machine, so they could just have pulled Koraidon from the past and capture it in a Pokeball in the present day. Still speculation tho.
But still, Bonnet should have Master Ball pattern even if they sent Pokeballs first cuz Master Balls are more powerful and so more frightening and since they were more abundant than Pokeballs after the Pokeballs failed then it would make more sense if it had Master Ball pattern, it coul have first make the Pokeball patern but then it would adapt to the Master Ball, if not Bonnet then modern day Amoonguss.
Then again, time travel is a headache, we could possibly be talking about a different Universe, the Master Balls traveled back in time but to an alternative Universe, so Brute Bonnet wouldn't evolve into modern day Amoonguss.
@@KorvalisPT why would a master ball be more menacing? We see that the ball doesn't do the clicky clicky until *after* it returns to the present so they wouldn't know if the balls failed or not. And If she started with regular balls and the bonnet adopted the red camo, there's no reason it would change to the cooler master ball if the red and white works fine cuz evolution doesn't go for "perfect", it goes for "good enough"
@@chonflis3834 the same way we don't know if they captured Koraidon in the present since it was the first Pokemon to come through the Time Machine, we don't know if all Pokeballs make the click until they arrive at the present. Remember that some Pokeballs don't even wiggle and immediately release the Pokemon, so, going for 3/10 chances of being captures to 10/10, tell me which one is more freighting? Sure, Evolution is about good enough adaptation, 3/10 chances aren't good enough and with the overabundance of Master Balls in the past then it would most certainly became Master Ball pattern... and yet, then again, if they became Pokeball Patern due to seeing Pokeballs then wouldn't they be just no patern at all since this would be the first time they saw Pokeballs and it would take hundreds of years for them to adapt to the Pokeball patern?
If you consider that the paradox pokemon that exist in the crater came through the time machine but weren't captured, hence running around everywhere, then it's possible that these were the subjects they tried to bring over in Pokeballs which then broke free. Just bringing them through was enough for Sada as she was building her paradise. But when the second Koraidon proved to be so aggressive she switched to masterballs. Little additional theory for you
My belief is that all of the pokeball-like mon came first and whoever made pokeballs tried to base them off of all the pokeball pokemon but originally failed and sometime later on in history someone made them more like all those other pokemon.
Pokeballs were probably designed after Brute Bonnet's design.
i mean, to be fair? it's stated in-universe scientists have NO idea why amoongus looks like a pokeball. WE know, it's so they can surprise us when we try to pick up an item, but i mean in-universe. hell, foongus' scarlet raises the theory the creator of the pokeball just really liked Foongus.
I like the "Annihilation" theory
I disagree. I honestly think the Pokemon who look like PokeBalls just came first and people thought the design was cool, and remember both the mega and non mega timelines exist so the time travel would only explain how they were developed in the mega timeline
Is there any confirmation that Scarlet and Violet occur on the Mega timeline? Or that their equivalent of the non mega timeline doesn't occur? Could that mean that a time traveler from the mega timeline and the non-mega time line could interact? Could that impact a non-mega timeline to become a mega-timeline or vice versa?
@@just_a_cabbage7756 the magazine that talk about Roaring Moon make a reference to the Mega.
I remember people just assumed SS take place in no-mega universe because Mega wasn't in-game, when... that isn't a proof, and SV perfectly showed that, since not only we have a confirmation SS already took place in SV, but we have a confirmation about Mega existence.
Unless there is no direct confirmation about being in a no-Mega universe, there is no reason to think the new games take place there. The Mega universe are just the ones GF decided to stick with.
And btw, the Dex pretty much confirm the Poké Ball design was inspired by Foonguss pattern. I have no idea why people continue to assume the Ball came first...
@Soggy Android Yeah I know, but those two timelines share the same past before the split, the same happens between the mega and non-mega timeline.
@@zarxiel2339 Oh right, they mentioned the similarity, I assumed it was just a meta reference.
And yes, the Pokéball was inspired by Foongus, but what the video is implying is a time loop.
1. In order to ward off predators, Brute Bonnet evolves to mimic the patter of a mysterious object that randomly appears and makes its predators disappear.
2. Brute Bonnet develops into the modern Foongus and Amonguss.
3. Pokéball's modern design takes inspiration from Foongus.
4. Sada randomly throws Pokéballs through a time machine.
And rinse and repeat for all eternity.
The video also implies that the Pokéballs thrown also landed in certain points in time where humans were alive, influencing the society of Pokémon forever.
@@just_a_cabbage7756 considering the behevior of Brute Bonnet... I doubt this is a kind of Pokémon that need to mimic an object to avoid predators... Bruto Bonnet seems to be a predator
and how others people pointed out. Sada showed to use Master Balls, not regular Poké Balls, so, if the theory was correct, Brute Bonnet would have a Master Ball pattern, not a Poké Ball pattern, completly destroying the theory.
So no... Brute Bonnet (and descendants) just had that pattern and in future the Poké Ball inventor just took that pattern as inspiration, nothing else.
There is no actual need to be a time loop or anything complicated.
Talking about the picture of the weird person in a super hero like suit with pokeballs around their neck. Wasnt there a house in Legends Arceus where the dialog in the cabinet was "its some sort of strange suit"?
very possible timeline:
brute bonnet over the course of an amount of years changed into amogus, and then whoever invented the first pokeball, based it off amogus, or just, saw brute bonnet and when inventioning it they based it off
Amogus
They said "infinity energy" and I heard "Midi-chlorians"
Speaking of bootstrap paradoxes, I have a theory that it's exactly this that caused Heath and his expedition team to discover the Paradox Pokémon before Sada and Turo even invented the time machine.
In order to "dispose" of Paradox Pokémon, Sada/Turo could have sent them to the past (and future?), to Heath's time. Maybe they did it to prove to Heath that whatever he saw was real? Idk lol
Duddeee I literally had these same questions! I've also been wondering how Sandy Shocks was made of steel when the invention of steal is only around 4000 years ago. But if it's not one designated point in time AND there has already been influence of modern matierals from the pokeball capturing scream tail 1 billion years ago.... its starting to make more sense
Sandy shocks is still a weird pokemon. It's supposed to be covered in ironsand so I guess the iron it's made of is naturally occurring, but I'm under the impression that none of the paradox pokemon would exist without the professors interference
Even weirder is the whole Magnemite family in general. They feel like they were artificial pokemon but then existing in ancient times and evolving raises even more questions.
@@booleah6357 Even ignoring Sandy Shocks, we see Magnemite in AZ's flashback story - in the Kalos of 3000 years ago. Still, the Pokemon world does have its own history separate from Earth, so...
@@MrAuthor3DS there are some really weird pokemon. I'd love like a story from a professors viewpoint where game freak actually explains some of the ecology a bit better.
I feel like with how some modern technology is based on how animals work, it kinda makes sense that ancient people saw brute bonnet and said "hey, that'd be a cool design for this device to catch this kind of creature"
It’s said in a Pokédex entry that the inventor of Pokeballs liked Foongus and Voltorbs came into existence after pokeballs were invented
Doesn't the official Pokémon book irl explain that Scientist got a mankey really really sedated and it curled up enough to fit inside of a ball?
Idk what color you're seeing but that brute bonnet is blue not purple.
Yeah (on the blue thing)
Plot Twist: the game Legends: Celebi will have us going back into like 100 B.C.
You might even call it a paradox
Yea honestly I don't get why they gave him the PokeBall design instead of just coloring him red and white
You are getting a sub I thought the exact same thing and mentioned to somebody in there comments I also think this variability in location and time is also why there are paridox pokemon before the time machine is made and is another boot strap paridox as the professors are inspired to make the time machine because of the book and the book only exists because of pokemon being brought to far or not far enough through time
Nice video. You solved my question
This was a great video and I wanted to leave my thoughts on something I just thought of for the video. If it was master balls that brute bonnet was seeing wouldn't it make more sense for its regular form to be purple instead of red and it's shiny to be red? Since it would try to make itself look like the master balls I think that would have made more sense design-wise. Thank you for listening :)
Everyone trying to make hypotheses while it’s just a dev mistake
No way it isn't an oversight but Id rather believe this "chicken or the egg" paradox
Such a well made video, you deserve more subs! ❤
Drayden from B2W2 says when he was little he remembers the shift to pokeballs. So that suggests the events in Hisui were like only 80 years ago (or Drayden has lived a very long time)
When they give Paradoxes official names, BB needs to be called Ungaboongus.
I think that someone just saw a Pokémon that looks like a poke ball and got the idea to create a capsule to capture wild Pokémon coming up with a ball shaped design based on the poke ball shaped Pokémon
I was so excited to see both channel upload already, then find out it was a colab. Is it Christmas early?
a special present from us just for you. Merry Christmas
If you read the description entry for foongus it mentions that the creator of the pokeball really liked foongus. So maybe foongus and amoongus actually came first and the balls are modeled after the Pokémon. Not the other way around.
My original idea was that brute bonnet was drawn a lot in cave paintings, so Hisuian voltorb and electrode, living in caves before the invention of flashlights, could disguise themselves as the cave paintings, and poke balls were based on a combination of the two. But your idea is definitely better.
Dont like complaining but major mistake it’s stated and heavily implied in game that voltorb looking like that came before pokeballs. Melii says that the only good thing about pokeballs is that they were based off voltorb, which while it may not be true that they were based off voltorb does mean that voltorb were before pokeballs which is further implied by the fact pokeballs are a recent invention leaving no time for adapting to look like one.
Though I do like the theory of the time paradox making Pokémon evolve to look like pokeballs
It's pretty simple actually, Brute bonnet, fungus and it's evolution originally had the PokeBall pattern, so the person who modernized the pokeball likes fungus and based it off that. To explain Voltorb, it is like all other plant pokemon just a plant, an apricorn pokemon and since PokeBall where made from apricorn hisuan Voltorb just coincidentally looks like the pokeballs from hisui. Now to explain in kantonian Voltorb, since the hisuan Voltorbs hole where getting closed they kept exploding, making them angry and have a hatred on humanity, so in the modern day they adapt the PokeBall patter to attract people on picking it up to then release it's anger upon them by exploding.
One of the dex entries for Scarlet says the creator of the modern day Pokeball really liked either amoongus, Brute Bonnett or foongus.
I was going to say this isn't how evolution works, but then I realized it is. Because while the master balls may not have killed them it did remove them from the gene pool of their localized ecosystem, which would have the same effect. So the amoongus who look slightly more like a pokeball, even vaguely, are less likely to die, and more likely to pass on those genes. And eventually become what they are now. All because of this one event causing the amoongus's predators to be terrified of this one particular thing they could easily resemble
4:32
And for some reason some humans still seem to have access to psychic powers
fun fact: after defeating a titan, you can find them as a smaller size and catch them, meaning pokemon can shrink
Dam, sick vid man
Isn't it much more simpler than the time machine isn't actually a time machine but a dream machine created by the third legendary that created terastalization? So Brute Bonnet is just a creature created by Sada's imagination. That's why the occulture magazine articles say there are no fossils of Volcarona from back then and use ridiculous unscientific numbers like a billion years ago for the fake ancient jigglypuff. Paradox pokémon aren't real.
Oh finally a very good theory on the brute bonnet paradox, which makes the most sense if time travelling is real. Currently there is the debate of if the paradox Pokémon were imaginary Pokémon made by the third legendary, and manifested by humans who travelled into the crater or by Sada/Turo, but the only reason as to why that theory fails is that there are photos of both Big tusk and iron tusk.. considering iron tusk is based on a futuristic design, no one from 200 years ago had any idea what a led screen is lol.
I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that Zorua were taken from Unova and brought to Hisui, where they died due to the harsh weather conditions and came back to life from resentment as de Hisuian form. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Random theory that popped in my head;
Since people think that Voltorb and Electrode are pokéballs that are possessed by a pokémon, maybe they're possessed by Voltorb from the past that were ousted and /or abused by humans.
Probably a stretch, but random ideas do what they will.
Edit: misspell
I mean, according to Scarlet, the leading theory is that the inventor of the Poké Ball just really liked Foongus, which if said inventor is Professor Laventon, makes a lot of sense.
It actually says the inventor of the *modern* pokeball, so while he may have invented the balls, he didn't base them off of foongus
2:00 Then shouldn't ALL pokémon be able to learn the move Minimize from LV1? 3:00 This is where the 2 Jade Cocoon games come into play. Firstly, Terrains, battle initiative, overworld encounters, mon vs trainer (PLA) from the first game are mechanics of Pokémon now and the second Jade cocoon game, Mamern is a paradox of Slither Wing, Blumen is a paradox of Great Tusks, Shroomie (no pokéball design) is a paradox of Brute Bonnet (Shroomie SAW the time-travelled ball and adapted), Amorg is a Paradox of BOTH Cetitan and Heatran, you use what's called a beast amulet to battle in a 9 pokémon rotation style battle (introduced AFTER, 3 pokemon style in Black/white), Ogre Vine Giant boss battles (Raid Dens), and most of all you catch these using what's called Divine Silk , play a flute and cocoon the Mon.
Christmas theory yay!
Hey that's a nice shiny voltorb you got here 😉
It is indeed. I'm very grateful to the person who acquired it for me
It's actually known in gen 5 that amoongus looked like PokeBalls before pokeballs
It’s possible that masterballs are extremely difficult and expensive to make which is why the exist only in small quantities. I imagine the complexity and quality of materials increases with each pokeball stage and the masterball is currently where it plateaued.
All this explanation makes sense that Sans will be the overarching antagonist of all Pokemon. Since he can travel through timelines. He would be possessing AI Sada and AI Turo. You can tell because of the blue eyes and the music that was made by Toby Fox.
So electrode and voltorb is the original idea brute bonnet is the future version and rn voltorb and electrode evolved into the pokeball colour and texture to be more hidden by hiding as a pokeball and explode its prey? Im guessin
Wait so why is this all of a sudden a topic amoongus looked the exact same just without the curtains
I just assumed this was an oversight. But if the theory is legit its now one of my favorite paradox mons, it feel like they've been building up this piece of pokeball lore since B/W (which they most definitely were not, but still)
what if the disk pokemon is man made.
It's just that I still don't understand how it would be possible for humans to have been inspired by the fongus to create the PokeBall, or at least get the design from there, it's like using self-sabotage, I doubt that people At that time they have not realized how their defense system used by the fongus worked, and give them advantages to be confused by pokeball and the problems it would bring , I still don't make sense to it idk
Theory: In the original unchanged timeline (no changes from any time machine travelers), Amoonguss and Burte Bonnet did not exist. In the distant future someone genetically created a Mushroom Pokémon and made it look like a Pokéball. That was Brute Bonnet. He then sent brute bonnet for some reason into the prehistoric past, and that created the timeline we are in. Over time, Brute bonnet changed and slowly "evolved" into Amoonguss. For the people of that timeline who don't know the truth, its a Pokémon that came naturalyl into being.
It all gets even more boggling when you take Kerrablast/Shelmet into account since their existence necessitates that the storage and transfer network needs to use electricity as part of its medium for either the data stored in the balls or transferred across space-time. Unless the scientists of Unova and a few other regions can't differentiate between electrical energy and whatever frequencies are actually at play.
I got violet but I absolutely love brute bonnets design, like I don't know how some people don't like it
Everyone is someone’s favorite! High five, unpopular Pokémon liking friend. Sincerely, someone who loves Seismitoad unironically.
I like it. It’s an angy shroom.
The way I see it there are two possibilities.
1. The coloration and pattern are some kind of lure. Brute Bonnet ain't got those predator jaws for nothing. What they are imitating is unknown. Could be Voltorb, Apricorns, or some kind of plant with that coloration. Doesn't matter. But the success rate in hunting with it must've been good enough that not only did Brute Bonnet's descendants Foongus and Amoongus keep the pattern, they specialized in it. And Galarian Stunfisk is using that same kind of lure to draw in prey. What could they be imitating I wonder if this is true?
2. The color and pattern don't mimic anything. Instead it's a warning. Kind of like how Poison Dart Frogs, Coral Snakes, and Blue Ring Octopi have those warning colors on their bodies, this could be warning that it'd be a death sentence to prey on it. Possibly that Voltorb and Electrode also had similar colors it reinforced that red and white in that pattern was something to not be messed with. The person that developed the modern Pokeball then saw the Foongus line and got inspired for a design for their capture device.
game freak didnt think about that detail, youre welcome everybody
its the egg vs chicken thing all over again
The problem I have with the adaptation theory, is the fact that Brute Bonnet has as a pokeball pattern. When the time machines are sending Master Balls
The bike legendary you get is in a regular pokeball, so she probably sent out the cheap ones at first hence the red/white brute bonnet
Circular close line of time is kinda normal when u f**k up with time traveling. Cool theory!