How To Make A Frippertronics-Style Tape Looper
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- In which I explore the early looping technique popularized by Robert Fripp in 1972, Frippertronics. I show you what tools you need, how to make the loop and how to set it up in the mixer.
Addendum: See pinned comment for how what I do varies from Frippertronics (closed loop vs. full reel) and some historical updates.
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great that you introduce this topic, with beautiful musical results!
Maybe interesting for people interested in the details:
1. Fripp used Revox machines but not with a closed loop as you do here, but with a regular tape running from machine A to machine B, resulting in a tape with the complete recording on it. The playback was either directly fed back into machine A using audio cable (the simplest version), or into the mixer as you do it here.
2. Fripp did not develop or "pioneer" this system, it was actually Brian Eno who showed it to him, and before Eno, it was Terry Riley who used it for several years (it was invented in 1963 for Riley by a technician of the French radio)
Thank you for clarifying!
and i think the looping stuff started in 1951 in Natlab from Philips in holland by Dick Raaymakers.
@@cremefresh1 can you point me to more information about that?
Terry Riley used it on Music for the Gift, however it was "invented" by one of his sound engineers. It became known under the term Time Lag Accumulator.
yes of course, henstarted in 1951 and started to make "music" in 1953. by the name Kid Baltan.
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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Raaymakers
niceeee im gunna be doing this looks awesome fun
I'm a little surprised you don't already have a Frippertronics setup, but somehow involving modded toys, the phone exchange and a few other things used in no manner like they were originally intended
Awesome buddy! Offer still stands if you need input
sooo when you have multiple tape machines you could use each as a "turn".. and get a tape running through every room of a building?!... a museum for example :)
Brings back keen memories of a Fripp-Eno gig at the Paris Olympia theatre in the early 70s: two Revox reel to reel A77s, one stage left, they other one stage right - close to being hidden in the wings - and in between, something like 18 metres of tape ...
I bought Fripp & Eno's "Evening Star" when it came out in 1975 (vinyl, of course!) Sublimely beautiful music that is still fresh and inspirational.
my old man used to do this DAVE BROCK HAWKWIND xx
Hawkwind 🤘🏼
Your pops is a legend
Ironically your accordion sounds a *lot* like Fripp’s guitar tone from his earliest frippertronics tours. Very cool demonstration- Best frippertronics video I’ve seen!
This is great! Looking forward to sweater season
As much as working with a DAW makes life easier, I do miss mucking about and editing audio on tape. I absolutely loved doing it, when I was learning my craft at the age of 16.
Great vid, as always. It's been a while since I've stopped by but it's great to be back.
Eno, Fripp, Riley - some of my heroes since decades. Thank you for putting this wonderful method on the table. Of course, this works with cassette-players, too. You need cassette-players with the ability to build some outbreak for the tape. Some players can easily be modded by just taking off the cover of the cassette-housing to "open" one side of the cassete-housing. There are many examples out there about how to do outbreak-tape-loops with cassette-players.
Recording "sound-on-sound" with cassette-players might be a bit more complicate than with reel-to-reel-machines without using a mixer, because most of the players can either use the mic-in (audio sent from the second player) or the line-in (recording your playing) or vice versa. But if a player supports a parallel usage of both inputs, you do not need a mixer to start the fun.
Thank you again for this video. I need more of this ... .)
I still have my copy of Evening star, purchased I believe in 1976 while I was in college. Nearly wore it out in that very smoke filled part of my life!
This looks like a lot of fun. I just saw King Crimson on their latest tour. I have not seen the since the mid 90's, the show got me back into Robert again. I want to do to this, just so I can say I have.
Tape is so meditative. I can spend hours watching my Echofix running 😊
Nice work. In the past we used to record 7 different textures/samples onto an 8 track machine and make a tapeloop. On the 8th track we recorded a pulse which could then drive a synth/ seq or arp or trigger a drum machine as long as they had a trigger input..Patch your 8 track machine into a mixer and bring things in and out ,add fx .All the loops would then drive along with the drum machine or synth, whichever you had connected to the pulse track out. Another fun technique
Great idea, I didn't know you could access multiple tracks on the fly with an 8 track, or record to them. Theses techniques are popular with the Tascam and Fostex portastudio 4 track cassette machines. Apart from a friend who knew Coil back jn the 80's, you're the only person I've heard using a spare track to sync synths etc. Thanks for the 8 track rabbit hole.
6:10 - 6:36 i could loop this part for hours... one of those moments that brings me to tears
Haha, nice experimental stuff, brings me back to the early days of electronic music. I love the Hainbach mad scientist's laboratory vibe!
I had the opportunity to see him do his Frippish thing in 82 at the Roxy Theater in Los Angeles. This was part of a lecture tour on the state of the music industry.
Wow. Your videography is so artistic.
Also very neat to see you integrate tape machines with test equipment
Maybe it’s worth noting Fripp borrowed the technique from Eno who adapted it from Terry Riley’s “Time Lag Accumulator” set up.
Who in turn were standing on the shoulders of giants. I love the way that these old techniques that appear to have run their course and been exhausted are continually being reused with great effect.
You're a blessing, thanks for the insights into your methods. Gosh these videos must take so much energy to produce, well done!
There was a band in the 90’s I worked with around Seattle called Hovercraft that did a similar thing with Roland Space Echos (the originals with tape loops) the bassist and guitarist each had a stack of four that fed back on each other before feeding into my board at FOH to create a wall of sound that they would perform over much like Fripp did in the 70’s
Wow Hovercraft was an experience. thx for the reminder!
Accordion to Hainbach I need to get another tape machine
A good alternative is the Boss DD-20, it allows for a delay up to 23 seconds, increase the feedback and you could have it repeat for days. I use a 7 second delay, make a loop and play lead over it.
Thank you sir! Your timing is perfect. I had "learn Frippertronics" on top of my list for this week! Cheers!
Ahhh, ok. I know Robert Fripp, he is makin music with Toyah. An he has originated this Style?! Very nice.❤️✌️
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Hi, all this is so awesome... omg! Thanks to have you here finding complete other kingdoms showing to us over in such a clear detail level. Thanks for even explaining it. So you do not make a big miracle out of it, as it seems to look little cumbersome sometimes or even little funny.. however it is a joy to look at this! Coming personally more from technical background, I really appreciate this. It is real! No Plugins. No Computer involved directly to it. Even more you include all this with artistic performance as what can I say more than thanks and please keep on to this format. For me it is always very well invested time in my life to have a look into here. Best Regards, Tim!
Your chord progressions always throw my train of thought into tailspins, as a musician its very intriguing to plug in a guitar or play a harmonica to your demos.
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You know whats really fun, too? A record, and playback head, on the end of a "stylus" and a glass plate wrapped in recording tape, creating a solid plate of recording medium. 😁
oh please, you got a video showing this? that could keep me from going down a veeery deep diy rabbit hole. please. save me.
@@Eleni_Be 🤣 ...Be strong! It's exactly like it sounds. 😉
If you buy a Groove-E modern Walkman, they have the hacking points on the circuit board, you can wire into the rape head pre amp and mic input very easily. You do need to attenuate the signal going in, as it'll usually be too hot for the mic level circuit. I hse one for a 1/4" tape bow violin and contact mic noise box's.
Oh damn I love the feedback texture you were playing around 5:00 that was so cool.
What a great idea to use the send and aux on the mixer to feedback the loop into itself! I have a couple of consumer tape recorders that I can try this with. I've been thinking about more modern ways to convert a ree-to-reel machine into something more like a looper pedal, by divide the tape into a high number of sections and count them carefully with a microcontroller, but this is way more vintage, "fluid" and analog!
How can you use two modern tape recorders for that ? You would have to
Open them right ?
@@telkmx Yes, most likely. :-) I guess the AC capstan motor neds to be replaced with something more controllable for DC, and there needs to be rotary encoders that keeps track on the exact position of the tape loop.
i used to do alot of this in the mid 90's til early 2000, using a space echo and tandbergs or Revox or a couple of AKai reel to reels .. walls of old test equipment aswell .. not many of doing it back then
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I remember getting Brian Eno's Discreet Music and being fascinated by the tape looping diagram on the back cover. I immediately wanted to replicate it but alas could not afford it as a young teenager. In recent years I have been able to satisfy that impulse with guitar loopers and the Morphagene and 4ms DLD. Still it would have been great and magical to do it with tape machines. Thanks for making this and I look forward to playing with some of the Patreon sound files.
If you can afford pedals then look out for used 5" 1970's Uher reports on eBay. I managed to get a pair for less than £200. They're very well made and are the sort of machine that will give years of service/easy for a tech to maintain.
Great looking and sounding setup. And, as a Dane, I'm proud to see the Brüel and Kjær-Name. Now you just need to get some sounds out of the Wolf Gas Herd, too. :)
Love it! The Bastl THYME mimics this process with 3 "tape heads". You know this:)
It was invented by Pierre Schaeffer un french ingeenier who worked for the french radio (ORTF) before the magnetophone (!). He worked and played with loops on LPs in the late 40'. He invented the technique of "close groove" in a LP wich was actually the first (short) loops in the history of music. It was not "tape loops" but "LP loops". After that in 1949 he took the first tape machines available for radio and transpose his first works to tape and invented the "tape looping techniques" in the GRM wich was a laboratory in the ORTF he created. After that, very quickly, a lot of musicians in the world took his invention or reinvented it in their own.
A lot of assumptions are made about the age of tape, Daphne Oram, Pierre and all of the many others across Europe were using discs and even wax cylinders. Playing back multiple grooved devices and recording them to a single cylinder. Tape was a German invention that didn't exist prior to WW2.
tbh I've downloaded the samples already before i've even watched the video...need to use them for some new music, many thanks! :D
Wahnsinn! You are so inspiring.
As are the comments. So refreshing to know you’re not the only weirdo out there.
"It is tradition to ring the gong, every time you make a tape loop." YES!
...yes, loved the way he slipped that in!........of course, he's got a gong-style amp now, so it looks like we are entering a new era....
Great video!
I was grinning in awe of this uber confident accordion player and his massive rig, right up until “it is tradition to ring a gong every time you make a loop” and just lost it. 🤣 awesome stuff!
Sweet have a revox 77 . Now I need another
Der Ton Alchimist in seinem Labor , goldener Ohrenschmalz in the making .... sounds great
Oh my god. I was doing this back in the 70’s with a couple of Sony machines and an ARP synth I BORROWED from one of the local music stores. Built an entire soundscape for a production of Edward Bond’s “The Sea”. I had no idea what the f**k I was doing but it worked.
brilliant!! subbed
Amazing!
Frippin' hell, this is awesome!
This technique was not invented by Fripp of course. He just named it "frippertronics". He learned it from Eno who learned it from Riley and Oliveros. The same setup was heavily used by Pauline Oliveros (Mnemonics 1-5, 1959-1966) Terry Riley (A Rainbow in Curved Air, 1969), by the band Soft Machine (Third, 1970) and also by Ron Geesin in the album he made with Roger Waters, "Music from the body" (1970). :)
Have a look at Musique Concrete and the experimental pioneers working across Europe with early tape kn the 40's. Their sounds weren't always as accessible but really great to listen to.
@@stuartchapman5171 I am fully aware of these experiments. I have given more than just a 'look' on the music you're referring to... actually I have studied electroacoustic composition in one of the few places you can do it in europe and now I'm teaching students how to use such techniques (amongst others!) in the same place. :)
@pa2kas excellent work keep it up. I know a couple of academics that teach and thoroughly research the origins and techniques. I have performed with them on occasion. I find there's a healthy amount of interest from youngsters studying these days. The hands on as opposed to working "in the box" has an enduring appeal.
This is super cool but it’s technically not the setup Fripp used. He didn’t use a tape loop, but rather had the tape from the record machine gather onto the reel on the playback machine. All of the repetition came from the sound from the playback machine being sent back to the record machine via the mixer, not from the loop circulating around as you have here. This also resulted in having a recording of the entire ‘performance’ on the take up reel.
For those without tens of thousands of euros-worth of invaluable and exceedingly rare electronic equipment in their basement, the 2hp Loop module does Frippertronics very nicely thank you…
For those who don’t have thousands to assemble a Eurorack rig my app Gauss does Frippertronics nicely thank you.
O WOW, te sounds at 7:02 Niice!
One advantage of usinfg a cheaper machine in the 'Loop' is that you don't feel so inhibited to modifying.
A switch in the Erase Head circuit for example ... 😉
Yes or just cover it with bit of foil between some insulating tape or thin plastic, if it's a fixed magnet type. Try using cassette machines as well. You can get some really good modern cheap recordable Walkmans off the shelf that are designed to be hacked.
2:26 We must preserve the knowledge of our elders
you are reminding me of the german guy from the movie possession
I fripp my sounds out very cheaply by using a delay.
And I still have a lot of fun with a single VCO!
hainbach with a moving camera!
Big fan of Fripp! When I try to explain his sound, I put on David Bowie's Scary Monsters.
Good grief this is very cool. And I thought I was high tech as a kid with my phasing double tape deck!
What a great video on this beautiful technique! Btw, should also work with 2 x Gauss and AUM, too ;)
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Awesome content and creation as usual, thank you for posting! Btw did you move your studio into the basement!?
Moved my workshop there in lockdown, now its becoming Studio B
Is that the bass synth disguised as an accordion? So awesome!
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Are the rhythms of the filter pings created by triggers sent from the analog computer or by the ping tempo being out of sync with the tape loop or a combination of both? Either way, sounds good!
I like to think that you're in someone's basement and they don't know you're there and are trying to figure out where the loops are coming from.
Sneak 100
sounds like a mellotron - a wonderful video. Now if my wife will allow me to buy 2 reel to reel machines....
And what about the big white instrument along the wall, with the metalic duct on its top?
Sounds from the outer-space. Reminds me of Hailu Mergia's accordion. Do you know of his music by any chance?
Tips: same brand tape decks, in this case swissnprecision decks worth overv10k. Matching decks means they pull at the same speed. Mismatched could break your loop. Tip 2 splice tape on the shiny side of your tape, not the oxide side. Don't let your splice overlap the top and bottom of the tape as it might leave glue on your tape heads, a bad thing.
Thanks for your input, but I have to disagree on a few points:
1. The Nagra 4.2 and 4-L I use cost me 650 and 900eur. Prices have since gone up but you can still find them for 1200EUR. You can pick and match any tape machine you like as long as they run at the same speed constantly (a matter of proper servicing) and they don't have a vast differences in pull strength.
2. On SM911/468 at least the "dark side" is the outside, so that is where the splicing tape goes.
Really cool sounds. Wish I had space to set something like this up... Guess I just gotta hope someone makes a plugin at somepoint.
Hainbsch does have a cool iOS tape loop plugin.
@@XanarchistBlogspot I was just about to say have a look at Gauss Field Looper, which I totally forgot to promo here 😄
There is of course, Hainbach’s wonderful plug in. There’s also an older 32bit VST plug in called Elottronix XL that is fantastic!
You can have great fun with multiple instances of Gauss feeding into each other, with different treatments, loop lengths etc etc.
suggestion, mic that heater and let the aux loop begin, I'm inspired.......
I'd love you to expand on the "ring the gong" tradition.
The tape loop gong was introduced by Hansi Schwurzelgruber when he worked at RDW Elektrische Akademie in Dirmstadt. He was a strong believer in the Rosulati theory of energy conservation, and the tape loop symbolized to him a potential stored for ever, a bit of eternity against a universe fading out. Thus he felt the need to celebrate it. While the original meaning has mostly been forgotten, it has become tradition to ring the gong before making a tape loop among composers, at least in the German speaking world. A bit like saying "toi toi toi" or never mentioning the Scottish play by name, it is folklore of the arts now.
@@Hainbach Wow, I find that an incredibly interesting historical tidbit. Thanks for sharing!! (I'm off down the interweb rabbit hole to learn more about Her Schwurzelgruber)
I have messed around with 4-track and reel-to-reel tape loops, bouncing, cutting and electro-acoustic composition since the late 80's but I've never rung a gong. ...Time to start!
@@lo-firobotboy7112 I have several gong type things in my studio, new tradition time.
I wonder what it would be like with two cassette tape decks, one to play one to record and a mixer.. endless sound played back to itself
Try making a loop with cassette tape, cut away the top two thirds of the plastic cassette, thread the loop through another modded piece of cassettte housing, pull the doors off of two old dictations with line in. Connect to a mixer, you have cassette Frippertronics.
What do you think of 8 track cartridges they seem to naturally loop I have one built in on my Akai reel to reel
This is great, I just found a working tape-machine on the street (yea I know lucky), is it possible to do this with tape-machine and a Walkman too?
Unfortunately not, cassette tape has a different width.
@ The Pack Rat Most tape decks use 1/4" tape or wider, the tape in a cassette is slightly over 1/8". You probably won't manage to squeeze 1/4" tape into a 1/8" wide cassette deck, so you'd have to use cassette tape like you did. On a normal stereo walkman you'd have 4 track heads (Stereo side A and B). To have heads with a similar width per track you'd need an 8-track 1/"4 tape deck like the ones made by Tascam and Fostex. And then you'd have to make it line up, assuming you don't want too many dropouts.
Then the speeds of cassette and r2r are probably different as well, depending on the exact decks. You could try to avoid all mechanical contact points on the tape deck. All together this doesn't sound like fun to me.
How would you do this?
@ The Pack Rat These are all cassette decks, there is no reel to reel involved.
Yes certainly you can. You will need one of the machines to be able to record via a line in. Make a big loop of cassette tape. Cut the top 2/3rds off of two cassettes, throw them away. Thread your loop through the remainder of the cassette cases. It helps if you can remove the cassette doors from the devices, on the Walkman cut slots to allow the tape to travel through the body of the machine, do this to your other machine, connect them to a mixer. You now have exactly the same set up.
How do you plug all this stuff in (Power wise)? Could you do a video on that?
I just plug it in. This is the cellar, nothing fancy here. :-)
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please tell me where the Roland 201 comes into play, send, output or not used?
Its on its own aux, comes in from time to time.
Would it be same/similar results if we put a long time and high feedback on a delay vst..?
@ The Pack Rat not completely making sense to me.. because I'm not very good at these things.. but i do have feedback knobs on many vsts.. what that does is give me more repetitions of the delay.. like if feedback was 0 i would only get 'ting (original) ting (delay)'.. but if feedaback is dialed up i get 'ting ting ting ting ting ting' each ting quiter than the last.. hope that makes sense..
@ The Pack Rat Oh okay.. so it is just a regular delay with a long gap between the original sound and the delay..? I misinterpreted it as being several 'tings' 😜.. Thanks so much for explaining.. I was also curios as you said there needs to be some effect on the delay.. does that mean the delay channel needs to be processed / EQd..? I don't know about this video but on No Pussyfooting i think i remember the delays & the original sounds being the same.. i might be wrong.. haven't listened to it in years..
@ The Pack Rat Oh okay.. thanks a lot.. 💙💙💙
Do you control the erasor head in the machine that is recording? Or do you just rewrite the sound completely on every passage?
No, the AUX on the return of machine 2 prevents that.
@HAINBACH I was wondering if this was not possible, how does the Aux on machine two affect the erase on machine one that is recording? I will be trying this later with my 5" machines. Maybe I need to pay closer attention to your routing, either way it will be a lot of fun.
Are any of your live shows live streamed? I’m in the wrong hemisphere to walk up :)
Recorded at least!
Hi! I put the output of the first tape recorder into the aux send only? what about send return?do I understand right? greetings!
Aux 1 -> Input Tape I, Tape 2 any channel.
@@Hainbach oh, you need to have 2 x aux to play in stereo?
thanks for answer!
Great video, but I don’t own a gong. Can I use a frying pan?
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If you find one of those round helium bottles for kids birthday balloons, cut off about a third. You then have two very different sounding gongs.
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Really nice! But who can afford two Nagra IS? I can't even afford one (Nagra) SN..
I bought a pair of working 1970's 5" Uher reports from ebay for under £200. You can buy a pair of modern recordable Groove-E Walkmans for £40. Theses can be hacked the pub has break out points for mic etc labelled for hackers. You will need to pull off the doors and cut a few slots in the bodies for the tape, make a big loop, thread it through two cassette bodies either holes cut out. Sloder a socket to a potentiometer and solder to the pcb, the signal going in will be too hot for the mic input, so you can attenuate with the pot, or do it on the mixer. Try a Behringer Vintage (bucket brigade) delay pedal, instead of the Roland Space Echo. Lots of fun. I can't afford Nagras, but I muck about with this stuff all the time. It's very rewarding. There's a lot of you tube tutorials to get you started.
What kind of splice block is that?
wouldn't it be easier to just "block" delete head on recording tape machine? with "block" I mean put some paper between head and the tape?
Another blinding video, (lol that probably gets vadly lost in translation, sorry). I have a pair of Uher reports from the early 70's. I've often thought of doing this. The rests with the accordion are beautiful. I have an old harmonium, I think it could yield some similar sounds. One of my Uhers only plays back through the speaker output, which is really hot. I think its had the BBC mod (its an old radio Newcastle unit) and the din socket is damaged. Time to fish out the soldering iron. There must be a line level somewhere inside to tap into. I was looking for gig inspiration. Thank you as ever Hainbach. PS I don't have a Spsce Echo but I think an old bbd pedal will give a good approximation.
How did you mic up the accordion?
Did you cover the erase head on Nagra 1?
Thanks. It’s an electronium, a vacuum tube synth, so it has amp that was modded for direct out.
Hey, does anyone know the name of that little thing that’s used to cut and glue the tape to make loops? And also where can I find it? That would make my life so much easier
That is a studer cutting block.
Or splicing block
@@Hainbach thank you so much!!
Es gibt ein fripp Album das von diesem Delay Loop ausgiebig Gebrauch macht. 🍺🖒😎
So sad you didn’t shout out any good examples, if you wanna see a fave of mine search Nightwatch live by king crimson, there is a 2 minute frippertronics intro, strongly suggest any era of Kc but would suggest discipline or starless and Bible black as first albums all live shows are unmatched asides from tool who they toured with and performed a frippertronics version of the intro to opiate.
Loved the video nevertheless.
i guess both capstans drive the tape?
Yes, you may get mis matched machines and that will give some nice modulation.
Probably the two tapemachines do not run at exactly the same speed. Can it cause damage to one of the recorders?
I would not think so, as you would notice extreme push/pull before
@@Hainbach Thanks!
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Awesome! Do you have any idea how Fripp used his 70s tape machines to get that roaring guitar attack/loop effect that he used with his band the "League of Gentlemen" and also on Scary Monsters (w/ Bowie)? I've tried to recreate this sound but it's pretty difficult to nail.
Do you mean the "bruaaaah" in the intro or the "whuip whuip" in the solo on scary monsters? The first sounds like pitched down tape to me, I get similar tones to that with a Rhodes at half speed. Or the "da dö dah" loop during the track? That sounds a bit like a ducking compressor used in the mix, to make it move in/out more.
@@Hainbach Sorry, this guitar sound is scattered all over that Bowie album. If you listen to 'Fashion' you'll hear this guitar sound by itself around 28-30 sec into the song. It sounds like a tight looping effect on the guitar chord feeding back on itself (almost sounds like a chainsaw). Fripp used this effect on many songs during his Frippertronics phase (which I really miss).
ich weiß noch nicht ob mein kommentar in irgend einer form hilfreich is aber es geht um folgendes ich sah das du da nen elektronium nutzt und .. ich probier die story kurz zu machen .. in der musik schule in der ich damals (vor 20-30 jahren war) wurden diese auch im orchester mit verwendet nun ist nicht mehr so viel los in der musik schule mein vater als elekronik bastler (hat schon wersi orgeln zusammen geschweißt) hat für die reperatur der relektronien gesorgt da es immer schwerer wurde überhaupt ersatz teile zu bekommen .. jetzt mach mein vater das nun auch nicht mehr aber .. da ich bei dir so ein ding gesehen hab dachte ich mir evtl leidest du unter dem selben problem ersatzteile schwer zu bekommen oder manchmal muss man auch teile davon einfach selbst nach bauen weil kein ersatz existiert ... jetzt hoffe ich natürlich das du das prolbem garnicht hast ausreichend ersatz teile vorhanden sind usw .. aber sollte es der fall sein das und das war mein gedanken gang .. wenn du ejtzt sachst oh das is so schwer die ersatzteile zu bekommen und suchst hände ringend dachte ihc mir könnte der kontakt ja sinnvoll sein ich weiß auch nich ob und wenn wie viele mein vater davon noch hat bzw die musik schule aber in jedem fall dachte ich lass ich mal einen kommentar da und wenn du jetz sachst brauchste nich .. um so besser dann besteht ja kein notfall .. aber in dem seltenenfall das du da was brauchen könntest dachte ihc könnte ich den kontakt zu meinem vater herstellen und so könnte man bissl helfen .. war nur so ein fixer gedanke als ich das ding in deinen händen sah und dachte .. och guck ma da gibts ja noch welche die das tatsächlich nutzen
Wish I had US$10k for the pair of Nagras......nice.
Sounds like riley
Sunn O))) 4:46