While the 780M is quite fast and I guess impressive from an APU perspective it's still very disappointing when you compare to dGPUs like the 1050Ti which despite being geriatric at almost 8 years old are still similar in performance. With people defending such mediocre showings of performance we are never going to see truly competitive AMD APU silicon.
@@wolreb9331and how is that unfair? im comparing a battered old $150 75W card from almost 8 years ago to a state of the art iGPU drawing 35ish watts compared to 75, its fair.
@@BonusCrook Depends on the game. In DX12 (new) games the 780M is consistently faster than the 1050 Ti. In older DX11 games the 1050 Ti can be faster. 1050 Ti's actual advantage is it goes in any PCI slot, good luck finding a 780M in anything other than a Mini PC or laptop. Also 1050 Ti: 70W, 780M: 35W, half the power.
I love playing C&C Generals, Zoo Tycoon & a few others on my XP PC with CRT Monitor, I also still have a 68cm/27" CRT Tv for playing my Playstation & PS2 Games 🙃👎
The Ryzen 5 5560U has Radeon RX Vega 6 graphics, which is capped at 2gb of vram. If you're ever unsure of the integrated graphics you can refer to the CPU Monkey site.
a Ryzen 7 5700G with PBO Enabled and its RX Vega 8CUs and DDR4 4000MHz+ RAM would have had much better performance, like +50~60% compared to the RX Vega 6CUs and DDR4 3200MHz RAM we saw here.
@@kodokujThey said that back in 2022 when MW2 came out that there wouldn't be a 2023 call of duty game and that MW2 would get two years of support. That didn't happen. Unfortunately people continue buying these games and making money for Activision, so why would they stop.
It would be interesting to see how battlefield would compare as it's well optimised, and the R7 8700G is an absolutely brilliant processor, and again brilliant video.
640 x 480 is still a resolution today because that's VGA standard, with 320 x 200 being the minimum and depreciated now/DOS games are usually in this res. It's still used today for CRT lovers, people from countries still rocking 4:3 and obv since it's the second lowest resolution you can render in a game with the various methods of display interfaces/outputs we have.
I feel like with an undervolt, a higher end (still quite cheap) cooler like the peerless assassin and a PTM7950 thermal pad you could push this up a notch. Add to that my biggest beef with AM5 lapping (more like shaving) or delidding that thick heat spreader. There's genuinely room for improvement.
@@CovenantAgentLazarus You must be new to such things. Corrupted colors like that have been called that for a long while now. As someone pointed out, its a Vinesauce term, coined by the streamer Vinny of the Vinesauce channel.
I have been lucky enough to be able to afford good hardware for a decent while now but I will never get tired of seeing games being pushed to their extreme low graphics quality to run on hardware that the devs never intended them to
Crazy how these types of intergrated graphics are atill abke to run games like these and I guess cod isn't the best example since the basically the same engine with somw different gimmick but was a nice video to watch
If you are using a "K" CPU you can easily overclock the GPU by almost factor of 2 depending on the silicon lottery, it's just that it rarely makes sense for a high-end system
And fsr 3.0 would usually be the best option for getting the best fps-quality but without a GPU I think using Intel's upscaled would be the best option with the right applications to run it
Sorry for the odd question, are the GPU and CPU Wattage numbers in the top right corner for the 8700G seperate or the same value? If it says "CPU: 88W," and "GPU 87W," does that mean it's using about 88W in total, or is it using 175W?
can ryzen's integrated graphics be used through a VGA port without some sortof bandwith limit or pixel lock ? The official site only lists display port information
I have a Radeon 780M with a Ryzen 7 7840HS, I'm saving up for a real gaming PC ahah, it will be long before I can get my hands on a gaming PC. (The saving up process for me can only begin next year around August, I'll save up about 300€/month for my gaming PC)
I noticed that the reported vram for the 780m is at 2gb I would be curious if you set 8gb to be vram if you’d get better frame times or slightly better average fps just seeing how you have 32gb of system ram to play with
I’d also be curious if you locked the cpu clocks to like 4.4 or 4.5 gigahertz if that extra power being pushed to the IGPU to keep that frequency stable would allow a higher graphics preset maybe medium?? Speaking on the 8700g.
guys i wonder how the beta of bo6 run on my pc which has an i5 3470 with 16gb of ram at 1600mhz and a gt 1030 the asus single fan model and 2gigs of vram on a 1080p monitor, did someone tried using a "low end" pc like mine? i' ve already downloaded the beta but did not buy the game so i'm waiting for the free beta which is from 6 to 9 of september, in case i'll write down here how it runs, but i know the bottleneck is the vram 100%, maybe the whole card infact i want to upgrade it to a more recent
I would say AMD is King of integrated graphics, but Apple does have the M3 Max, which can do 1440p and 4k gaming. Hopefully, these new rumors of a new super powerful AMD APU turn out to be true
AMD'S newer apus are far better than the mistakes they made back in the day where they not only couldn't do dual channel memory, but limited the igp memory bus to 32bit! Can't wait to get a 890m powered mini pc!
I really wish games like this one, multiplayer 6v6, were a lot more scalable on the hardware... Why can't we just drop to abysmal settings and run it on a potato? Low settings nowadays don't really feel like low
Since you have the 8700G and I trust you will say what you see as truth, what do you think of the 8700G for someone considering getting a AM5 based system with a dedicated GPU? GTX 1660 Super for now and whatever next generation Nvidia card comes out in 6 months to a year? I know there are other potential better options with lower class iGPU or none at all, but I admit the idea of having the 780m is just too alluring. I was going to ask about the 9700X, but that is almost double the price so not even dreaming about it.
Not RGinHD here but someone with a 780M in a 70W MiniPC (Ryzen 7 7840HS) and also full gaming PCs. If you already have a 1660 Super then use that, it'll be better than the 780M in every way (kid has one in their gaming PC). Get the Ryzen 5 7500f or 7600 and pair it with the 1660S.
No, there is no point to take a 8700G if you already have a 1660super, the IGP from the 8700 is weaker, any ryzen 7000 gonna be a better gaming cpu than the 8700
@@zeubiflex6230 Perhaps I made it too difficult to understand. I am not asking if the iGPU on the 8700G is better than the 1660 Super. I am asking if the CPU part of the 8700G is going to bottleneck the current 4000 series of RTX cards and possibly the low to mid tier of the 5000 RTX series. I know the 1660 Super is faster than the 780m.
@@TrusteftTech then just take the end of my sentence "any ryzen 7000 gonna be a better gaming cpu than the 8700", the cpu can always be the bottleneck it depends your resolution your games your settings , if you dont need the IGP you dont need the 8700g ( if you really want to avoid cpu bottleneck take a 7800X3D , if you're on a budget take a 7600x)
Not viable to use Lossless Scaling in Online Multiplayer titles, as well as it's taxing toll on the CPU's and very low resolution (since no GPU). Single player games is it's specialty. But relatively you should see 15% to 30% increase depending on frame gen type, and upscaling. But note input latency, ghosting, frame skips and stutters.
Seems like Intel don't really care about iGPU's, they'd rather you just bought one of their CPUs and paired it with either an Arc GPU, or (on the other extreme) something like a 4080/4090.
The 780M at minimum settings didn’t look great compared to a discreet graphics card but look at your own video, compared to the other 2 APU’s the 780M look great!
Bro I looked this up because wtf, on Xbox x the game feels great but the graphics are shit? I don’t understand that cause mw3 looked stunning. Is this happening to anyone else on Xbox series x?
Imagine paying $600 for an iGPU computer to save money, and then you drop $70-90 dollars on some COD game. Plenty of better used GPUs for the price of that game
Yes, this will roughly match the performance you just saw with the Radeon 780M in the Ryzen 7 8700G you just saw here, so it will be perfectly playable in 1080p Basic.
Of course anyone buying a 14900K is not buying it to play with the graphics on it they will probably use a RTX 4080 or 4090 or 7900xt or 7900xtx you don't buy a 14900k for a 6600xt in other words.
You should because the graphics are horrible in this game and they're even releasing it on last gen consoles but they'll develop specific codes that won't allow so on purpose and demand high end gpu's.
Impressive what the 8700g igpu can do. i've never expected to see it run a new triple aaa game at 1080p with the game not looking horrible.
While the 780M is quite fast and I guess impressive from an APU perspective it's still very disappointing when you compare to dGPUs like the 1050Ti which despite being geriatric at almost 8 years old are still similar in performance.
With people defending such mediocre showings of performance we are never going to see truly competitive AMD APU silicon.
@BonusCrook you're compairing an iGPU to a dedicated GPU
@@wolreb9331and how is that unfair? im comparing a battered old $150 75W card from almost 8 years ago to a state of the art iGPU drawing 35ish watts compared to 75, its fair.
Triple AAA = AAAAAAAAA
@@BonusCrook Depends on the game. In DX12 (new) games the 780M is consistently faster than the 1050 Ti. In older DX11 games the 1050 Ti can be faster. 1050 Ti's actual advantage is it goes in any PCI slot, good luck finding a 780M in anything other than a Mini PC or laptop. Also 1050 Ti: 70W, 780M: 35W, half the power.
640 x 480 on a CRT TV would actually be pretty solid
Haha would definitely look cool
I love playing C&C Generals, Zoo Tycoon & a few others on my XP PC with CRT Monitor, I also still have a 68cm/27" CRT Tv for playing my Playstation & PS2 Games 🙃👎
If you were able to disable TAA it should still look sharp on CRT
Not for modern games that look noisy and blurry at low resolutions.
The text was not made to be read in that resolution so it would still be bad
CoD is the FIFA of shooters.
Yep COD is my guilty pleasure shut brain off game. I used to play all the spiritual predecessors of Medal of Honor as well.
Yeah definitely my go to when I don’t want to think too much haha
@@RandomGaminginHD Same, but I have to wait for updates every time I open it 🤣
You mean madden?
@@Bigbacon no, fifa
The Ryzen 5 5560U has Radeon RX Vega 6 graphics, which is capped at 2gb of vram. If you're ever unsure of the integrated graphics you can refer to the CPU Monkey site.
a Ryzen 7 5700G with PBO Enabled and its RX Vega 8CUs and DDR4 4000MHz+ RAM would have had much better performance, like +50~60% compared to the RX Vega 6CUs and DDR4 3200MHz RAM we saw here.
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@@hydraxxorion538 its 30% faster maybe a little more due to the ram OC
Yesterday I accidently joined your game in BO6. You played very well RGInHD. I think the map was skyline it was.
Ig this is the only series that has yearly releases and will be never ending
It will probably end if people stop buying them
I think this is actually the last yearly game they’re making cause if the shit they got for MW3, unless I’m mistaken
@@kodokuj ya but similar things happened with ghost, infinity and advanced warfare but they never stopped just continued and improved
@@vijayakumarikumar3920 --improved then they do another bullshit again, the cycle repeats
@@kodokujThey said that back in 2022 when MW2 came out that there wouldn't be a 2023 call of duty game and that MW2 would get two years of support.
That didn't happen. Unfortunately people continue buying these games and making money for Activision, so why would they stop.
These Ryzen APUs are absolute monsters. Good as a stop gap while you save up for a GPU
Everything is possible on your channel, even AAA games can be played on potatoes! ;-)
That's true!
I think I’d rather play the graphics card with no BO:6 instead 😅
😂
I loved the Splatoon feel of those broken grass textures. I'd love to see how good this looks on a CRT.
It would be interesting to see how battlefield would compare as it's well optimised, and the R7 8700G is an absolutely brilliant processor, and again brilliant video.
Man it's pretty impressive seeing an integrated GPU looking pretty much as good or better than recent COD releases have on last gen.
These amd chips are pretty impressive honestly.
I just know when he goes back to his actual setup it feels so goddamn good.
Watching RandomAdsinHD to support my favourite channel 😁
Much appreciated!
Love these igpu benches,can you do World of Warcraft,The War Within?
the und graphics is the only one that has colourful ground on COD it is so beautiful
Brings me back to my days playing R6 Siege on intel 5th gen integrated graphics
CoD and Mario kart online is the perfect “turn off my brain” kinda game.
640 x 480 is still a resolution today because that's VGA standard, with 320 x 200 being the minimum and depreciated now/DOS games are usually in this res. It's still used today for CRT lovers, people from countries still rocking 4:3 and obv since it's the second lowest resolution you can render in a game with the various methods of display interfaces/outputs we have.
I feel like with an undervolt, a higher end (still quite cheap) cooler like the peerless assassin and a PTM7950 thermal pad you could push this up a notch. Add to that my biggest beef with AM5 lapping (more like shaving) or delidding that thick heat spreader. There's genuinely room for improvement.
2:25 In the video game corruption space, we call that "clown vomit."
vinesauce type term ￣︶￣*
Literally nobody calls it that
@@CovenantAgentLazarus You must be new to such things. Corrupted colors like that have been called that for a long while now. As someone pointed out, its a Vinesauce term, coined by the streamer Vinny of the Vinesauce channel.
@@Alfenium Indeed it is. xD
I have been lucky enough to be able to afford good hardware for a decent while now but I will never get tired of seeing games being pushed to their extreme low graphics quality to run on hardware that the devs never intended them to
Do all people switch to new cod every year? Are all the games different
I want to see 890m with a 6 core processor. $300-350 seems fine if it has normal amount of cache
Thanks for the video! Have you had a chance to play with the Intel Ultra series yet?
Crazy how these types of intergrated graphics are atill abke to run games like these and I guess cod isn't the best example since the basically the same engine with somw different gimmick but was a nice video to watch
Intel needs to step up their iGPU game, to create some proper competition.
If you are using a "K" CPU you can easily overclock the GPU by almost factor of 2 depending on the silicon lottery, it's just that it rarely makes sense for a high-end system
Why would you even test this with any intel cpu, especially the 14900k 💀
i remember finishing tomb raider 2013 and doom 2016 on my i5 6500 igpu with no issues and smooth fps over 60+ with tweaked settings ofc .
my dads been enjoying it on ultra setting on his card very crisp and clean its so awesome
The colorful grass looks dope. Looks like something treyarch would really do 😂
You could set it at high settings on the 8700g and use fsr 3 frame generation with no upscaling..
Yeah but would rather have proper frames haha
There is no input during frame gen from the end user so the latency would certainly be an issue regardless of fps
I feel bad for the people you managed to kill on the uhd graphics haha
And fsr 3.0 would usually be the best option for getting the best fps-quality but without a GPU I think using Intel's upscaled would be the best option with the right applications to run it
Sorry for the odd question, are the GPU and CPU Wattage numbers in the top right corner for the 8700G seperate or the same value? If it says "CPU: 88W," and "GPU 87W," does that mean it's using about 88W in total, or is it using 175W?
Can you do a video editing/transcoding video on those kinda integrated graphics solutions?
Anyone having error code 0xc000001d? Reinstall like 10 times use new driver still cannot fix this issue
Wish I could see what the arc igpu that came with the intel ultra series could do on this game as well.
can ryzen's integrated graphics be used through a VGA port without some sortof bandwith limit or pixel lock ? The official site only lists display port information
I have a Radeon 780M with a Ryzen 7 7840HS, I'm saving up for a real gaming PC ahah, it will be long before I can get my hands on a gaming PC.
(The saving up process for me can only begin next year around August, I'll save up about 300€/month for my gaming PC)
Is the 8700g and the Z1 extreme not the same chip except for the wattage it can take?
I noticed that the reported vram for the 780m is at 2gb I would be curious if you set 8gb to be vram if you’d get better frame times or slightly better average fps just seeing how you have 32gb of system ram to play with
I’d also be curious if you locked the cpu clocks to like 4.4 or 4.5 gigahertz if that extra power being pushed to the IGPU to keep that frequency stable would allow a higher graphics preset maybe medium?? Speaking on the 8700g.
guys i wonder how the beta of bo6 run on my pc which has an i5 3470 with 16gb of ram at 1600mhz and a gt 1030 the asus single fan model and 2gigs of vram on a 1080p monitor, did someone tried using a "low end" pc like mine? i' ve already downloaded the beta but did not buy the game so i'm waiting for the free beta which is from 6 to 9 of september, in case i'll write down here how it runs, but i know the bottleneck is the vram 100%, maybe the whole card infact i want to upgrade it to a more recent
Will you try more ARC cards? Like the A380?
That last guy who killed you definitely had to be running wall hacks. He came through ready.
I am sure fsr ultra performance with 640x480 would look great
For these Igpus it's better to use dynamic resolution and target 60fps, it works well in bo6
I would say AMD is King of integrated graphics, but Apple does have the M3 Max, which can do 1440p and 4k gaming. Hopefully, these new rumors of a new super powerful AMD APU turn out to be true
for fun can you try out a intel external gpu
id like to see what the radeon igpu could do with fsr
It's playable. I played with far worse back in the day. At least it works if you can't afford the high end graphics cards of today.
My 6900XT only gets like 100 fps on 1440p ultra with FSR. Very upsetting.
AMD'S newer apus are far better than the mistakes they made back in the day where they not only couldn't do dual channel memory, but limited the igp memory bus to 32bit!
Can't wait to get a 890m powered mini pc!
Yo you gotta try this with Intel Iris Xe graphics too, maybe on a laptop even. Would be cool to see!
I really wish games like this one, multiplayer 6v6, were a lot more scalable on the hardware... Why can't we just drop to abysmal settings and run it on a potato? Low settings nowadays don't really feel like low
The UHD 770 would work with GeForce Now though. I myself have an i3 12100f and RTX 3050 8GB in my build.
What is that grenade toss animation?
Pretty amazing what that 8700G can do. Seems like a fantastic first setup for a kid.
Since you have the 8700G and I trust you will say what you see as truth, what do you think of the 8700G for someone considering getting a AM5 based system with a dedicated GPU? GTX 1660 Super for now and whatever next generation Nvidia card comes out in 6 months to a year?
I know there are other potential better options with lower class iGPU or none at all, but I admit the idea of having the 780m is just too alluring.
I was going to ask about the 9700X, but that is almost double the price so not even dreaming about it.
Not RGinHD here but someone with a 780M in a 70W MiniPC (Ryzen 7 7840HS) and also full gaming PCs. If you already have a 1660 Super then use that, it'll be better than the 780M in every way (kid has one in their gaming PC). Get the Ryzen 5 7500f or 7600 and pair it with the 1660S.
@@lewzealand4717 I don't think you understand my question. 😀
No, there is no point to take a 8700G if you already have a 1660super, the IGP from the 8700 is weaker, any ryzen 7000 gonna be a better gaming cpu than the 8700
@@zeubiflex6230 Perhaps I made it too difficult to understand. I am not asking if the iGPU on the 8700G is better than the 1660 Super. I am asking if the CPU part of the 8700G is going to bottleneck the current 4000 series of RTX cards and possibly the low to mid tier of the 5000 RTX series. I know the 1660 Super is faster than the 780m.
@@TrusteftTech then just take the end of my sentence "any ryzen 7000 gonna be a better gaming cpu than the 8700", the cpu can always be the bottleneck it depends your resolution your games your settings , if you dont need the IGP you dont need the 8700g
( if you really want to avoid cpu bottleneck take a 7800X3D , if you're on a budget take a 7600x)
Id honestly take 720p120 over 1080p60 for a First person shooter. Especially if it was scaled down with FSR or dlss
Should have tried the Core Ultra series integrated ARC gpu as well :3
Man, I don’t know if it’s me but those grass textures look incomplete
Are you able to test these with Lossless Scaling on steam?
Not viable to use Lossless Scaling in Online Multiplayer titles, as well as it's taxing toll on the CPU's and very low resolution (since no GPU). Single player games is it's specialty. But relatively you should see 15% to 30% increase depending on frame gen type, and upscaling. But note input latency, ghosting, frame skips and stutters.
Seems like Intel don't really care about iGPU's, they'd rather you just bought one of their CPUs and paired it with either an Arc GPU, or (on the other extreme) something like a 4080/4090.
We should ask another question.
For example "Why someone play COD BO6 "
Zombies. The only reason to play a COD.
I play this game on Vega 11 (R5 3400G) at 40-50FPS with overclock
Nice :)
Wow we're almost at the point where apu's have replaced low end gpus.
Hey I want to see how Pentium G4560 performs these days...😊
You should get your hands on the new 890m, it's really good
What's with the 890m?
This is what some games look like in Alpha lol
CoD engine really needs upgrading, actually a new engine that handles modern systems better
You expect way too much out of integrated graphics lol.
@@Sprite897 I was talking in general, I was not taking aim at the video content
The 780M at minimum settings didn’t look great compared to a discreet graphics card but look at your own video, compared to the other 2 APU’s the 780M look great!
Bro I looked this up because wtf, on Xbox x the game feels great but the graphics are shit? I don’t understand that cause mw3 looked stunning. Is this happening to anyone else on Xbox series x?
Call of Duty: LSD Dosed Soldier Edition.
none of them crashing is impressive in itself and 8700g exceeds expectations
16gb vram?
the reason thus game runs farley well on this rig is because this engine was designed for a mobile phone unlike MW19
Can you play Black Ops 6 on 250GB SSD ?
The game looks like a DLC from MW1
60-80FPS from a iGPU is crazy good.
Imagine paying $600 for an iGPU computer to save money, and then you drop $70-90 dollars on some COD game. Plenty of better used GPUs for the price of that game
I havent bought a cod game in a long time
99.9% of UHD 770 graphics will overclock to 2000 mhz without any voltage tweaks.
can i play with r5 1600 and rx570?
Yes, this will roughly match the performance you just saw with the Radeon 780M in the Ryzen 7 8700G you just saw here, so it will be perfectly playable in 1080p Basic.
I have the beelink one and I use it as a home server and minecraft server with my friends
pov: you enable taa (minus the increased framerate)
>latest CoD
>Looks like a PS3 game
>Can only run in the latest and greatest hardware
Of course anyone buying a 14900K is not buying it to play with the graphics on it they will probably use a RTX 4080 or 4090 or 7900xt or 7900xtx you don't buy a 14900k for a 6600xt in other words.
I run the beta with a 5600g at 80fps on 720p and fsr 1.0
You should because the graphics are horrible in this game and they're even releasing it on last gen consoles but they'll develop specific codes that won't allow so on purpose and demand high end gpu's.
Man my pc can barely run l4d 😂
Athlon 3000g when?
Ah I need to give that little fella another chance
been the same engine since day one.
69 quid and you don't even get a physical copy i don't think so
And people wonder how they still have a last gen version💀💀
CoD is using the same IW engine that was released in 2019
Same engine than QUAKE 3 you mean
Playing on a steam deck with windows 11 60 fps 1080p low recommended settings not too bad