I'd imagine these cards are pretty useless to Cryptominers and too old for Scalpers. Not a bad option for upgrading something like an old Dell for light gaming.
@@SDkillaa US sales are sitting around 50-100 dollars now. Still not scalping in the sense that they're being bought in bulk to be resold, more like people realizing the higher value the cards.
@@scratchos9816 i put one in a mid ranged build 6 months ago and it still plays all the new games at high graphics settings with 2 monitors. thing baffles me.
I have this exact card! I found it in an old workstation that was going to be thrown away. It definitely surprised me in terms of its performance and it’s also an excellent troubleshooting card for when I need a graphics card to test a system with. Overall, I’d say it’s one of my favorite “cheap” cards that I own due to its versatility.
@@randommonkey4900 Computer recycling centers would probably be your best bet. I got mine while working for a Staples back in the day. Just make sure to be polite and ask before looking through things.
Agreed, if the old BFG Tech card burns out in my little retro XP era build burns out, I might hunt down one of these as a replacement, since I'm running Linux in it anyway, make it a even weirder amalgam of old, new, and odd parts
I have this exact same GPU, but mine is a DVI version where there's only two DVI ports on the GPU instead of 2xDP and 1xDVI. So far this is quite a powerful and efficient Windows XP retro gaming card, except it has some driver issues on some older games (under Windows XP) like Will Rock (crashes the GPU driver upon minimizing and returning) and True Crime : Streets of LA (slight model artifacting) despite the card working normally and fine. Not that much driver updates for XP since the last driver update was in 2012 before they abandoned XP driver support for it
Regarding the 3DMark03 score, I got about 57000 3DMarks score but that was with my Athlon II X2 270 so kinda a bit bottlenecked here. You can get higher with a more powerful CPU
It might be more significantly more useful than the 1GB HD 7850 that I own when it comes to playing modern games. Very surprised to see it outperform the R7 260 by such a large margin. They should have the same number of cores and VRAM, the only possible differences are clock speeds and memory bandwidth.
Also the ROPs the w5000 have 32 and 260 only 16. So the w5000 got 26.40 GPixel/s fill rate versus only 16Gpixel for the 260. So with twice the memory bandwidth and twice the Fill rate it make sense that the W5000 end up a way faster.
1GB on the 7850 is such a killer. I have it in a tertiary PC that I occasionally like to play games on, and its legitimately frustrating how much of a bottleneck the lack of Vmem is. With low texture quality and 720p, you can get away with some impressive visuals considering its DX12/Vulkan capabilities, but its a real crapshoot. Needless to say, I've gone with the highest Vmem version on subsequent upgrades. 8 gigs on an rx580 may be overkill, but I WILL NOT BE LIMITED LIKE THAT AGAIN. AMD shouldn't have sold it like that...(and I shouldn't have bought it like that, but clearly, I'm never wrong. I am the best, I am infallible /s)
@@tatsumaru12345 They where fine at there Time and cheap as fuck. You could even grab the sapphire for under 150€ while te 2 Gig Models where all 200€ +. And it was more than enough to pulverize any 77XX even with 2 GB. It was an even better 750ti when you include workloads and not only Gaming. But with all the new games since than you buy better something 2 Gig Vram +. And the best thing ist you can run them as lead card in crossfire with R9 270 but today that doesn´t makes it better
Halo infinite is such a terribly optimized game no matter what settings i do it still wont go above 70fps on a gtx 1080 or an rx 6600 I don’t know if its cpu bound or what but its just plain awful i have a ryzen 7 2700x which is ageing but should by no means be bottlenecking that bad in halo
@@aubrynobicop6924 Halo Infinite is CPU demanding, your R7 2700X is lacking in single core performance and the 1080 is aging. I ditched my R7 2700 for a 5600X. Night and day difference.
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty as i said yes its aging but by no means should be bottlenecking that badly for crying out loud Fortnite runs better and it also has terrible cpu optimization its cpu bound 90% of the time and yet i get triple my fps in Fortnite halo infinite is terribly optimized. No excuses
@@aubrynobicop6924 Halo infinite is better optimized than Fortnite. Fortnite is infamous for stuttering and has terrible graphics. I told you, your single core performance is lagging behind. In fact, my 2700 gave me similar single core performance to my old i3 6100. 2700X is good for multicore, not single core.
That's a really interesting card indeed considering how impossible gpu's (or basically anything) is to get a hold of these days, coincidentally enough I'm working on a video about the Xbox one in 2022 and how it holds up, turns out it runs better than i expected with even modern releases. it's good to know there's still options for pc and console gamers despite the market were in. I wonder how it compares to the 750 ti?
Well just like every other generation it will run all games up untill end of life sure some newer games suck on it but they also make games with the weakest link in mind
@@archetype6351 the series s is readily available for 300 bucks . No reason for someone to still be on the Xbox one. That console was doing 720p when it first came out lmao. It’s crap
This seems like a phenomenal card if you want to play older/indie games (ie a good 90% of my steam library) and can stretch to titles from up to a few years ago. Basically a console for 40 quid!
What I love about that thing is its Win XP compatible, you could throw it into an older quad core i7 rig and dual boot. Run lower intensity modern titles in, say, Win 7, and boot into Win XP and play OG Crysis or Far Cry with everything maxed.
@@Klosop 7 is still supported enough to run Steam and is less intensive. Its secure enough to use online with some caution. And XP is the only way to play some games without any glitches and with hardware accelerated audio. You wouldn't be going online with it.
@@ironhead2008 You could go online with XP with certain anti-virus software that still supports it. Also, most hackers/scammers stopped supporting this OS :D so it is lot safer then you think.
@@ironhead2008 I don't have any glitches or problems running old games in Windows 10 and ofc 7 would run steam I mean how else would people run steam before 2015
It's always the same. When you see a youtuber with some reach do a video about a device being a good deal, by the time an average joe gets to see it (so 90% chance it's after patreon exclusivity or stuff like that) there's basically already no point in looking for said device because the price will have shot up into unrealistic regions, making it a nonstarter and pointless to even consider. It's essentially fueling a miniature scalping scheme that may or may not recover (imagine being clueless to this videos existance, wanting to sell your W5000, seeing the average price of ended auctions being at 60+gbp ... do you try to sell it for 30-40? nah.. you're gonna go with the flow and want 60+ for a card that definitely isn't worth that... and then nobody buys it and it rots on ebay forever like so many items do, never actually being sold cause the seller is adamant it's worth way more than it actually is)
Great video, workstation cards are generally underappretiated. I got myself FireGL v5600 for some small project and it run absolutely flawlessly while newer ATI hd 5550 refused to work.
So figured I would come back and comment since this video convinced me to take a chance on 2 of these when the GPUs were still insanely priced. I have 2 of these in crossfire and they performed pretty well for paying roughly 45 each for these. Decided to try the Nimez drivers with them as well and saw a pretty big boost on performance with them. It registers them as R9 370x’s but they jumped from around 20fps on Fallout 4 1080p Ultra to 35-40 fps at same settings. Just a thought for anyone that might actually be using these for gaming. Cheers!
Yeah, imagine if they updated the components, bus bandwidth, vram speed and increase in cores/speed, these cards would be acceptable or even good for the most demanding titles
Depends which one you got. Because weren't cards like the r9 fury also using that or something very similar? Which is why despite them being very new amd dropped support for them.
@@Alex96194 they tried that with the 290x lol. gcn got too old to keep up and they made a card with wild specs but a hot power hog and was the end of the gcn era
What was causing these consoles to not perform so well was the Jaguar CPU cores, there is a copy of those Xbox One Jaguar cores and a motherboard with it floating around, with this graphic card it should mean you can make a exact copy of a Xbox One, do it and test it! th-cam.com/video/mW_PGvxpT5k/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/CyrcJkCGL8o/w-d-xo.html
would be pretty pointless to test a build that's similar to the xbone. games on consoles have heavy optimisations that you just don't get on pc, so the xbone will easily outperform a pc with identical specs
@@imnotshub technically pointless maybe, but still fun, and it's a PC so you can load it up with whatever extra hardware you want and whatever OS you can stuff in, maybe even SteamOS 3.0 to make it a very different kind of game console
That might actually be interesting to someone (indie game studio or junior game dev) that wants to get into game development for the Xbox/PS*. You could install Windows or a Unix derivative (PS4/5 uses BSD I believe) and test your Unity or Unreal games on actual, real hardware that is used in the Xbox/PS. I can hear people say, use a virtual machine or emulator or something, but 1) emulators are not a thing yet for this generation of consoles, and 2) how would you emulate the incredibly slow Jaguar CPU cores and GPU combo? It is weird however that the motherboard in question has separate memory banks instead of soldered on GDDR* memory that the actual Xbox and PS uses. Makes me wonder if this "custom" APU chip is a lot more conventional that we think. Anyway interesting find and thanks for linking the videos!
I've been running the W5100 4Gb that replaced this for a couple of years and it's actually a rather good card - totally silent in use, drivers have been stable (a novelty for AMD) and it's been very reliable. I don't do much gaming but it will run The Outer Worlds pretty well.
I wonder if people will ever stop to shit on AMDs drivers. Used any AMD hardware lately? Guess what. Their drivers look like they're from this century unlike Nvidias horseshit that looks like Windows 3.1. Yes, AMD had shit drivers. Yes, some of their products are shit, like 5700XT that a lot of people never could use without issues. My 5600G works great. The AMD drivers work great. My Nvidia Turing card (yes, I run two GPUs from different manufacturers in the same system) works great, too.
I've had one of these for a couple years, the only problem I have with it is that Radeon Pro drivers conflict with their consumer cards. Meaning if you have any consumer AMD gpu in the same system, you will get driver problems and can't use both, including integrated graphics. Otherwise it's an awesome little card.
The benchmark tests are pretty impressive! I still play on my old GT 640 and most of today's games do work fine on minimum settings at 1080p. Proves you sometimes don't need to spend big bucks to enjoy current gen gaming.
Which games, exactly? I have a hard time believing the GT 640 runs "most of today's" current-gen games at 1080p with playable framerates, even at minimum settings.
@@i3l4ckskillzz79 for me i'm able to hit 4k 120fps, but 1080p at 20 or 30 fps isnt really that big a deal, at least to me, hell, 720p at 30fps is fine for plenty of games
I have a GTX 1050 3GB (faster than a 1050 Ti), and I'm pretty sure even my GPU would struggle to run the newest games in FHD (unless I use FSR), so claiming a GT 640 can run games well is BS
Thanks BBO. Your review made me decide to get one of these, and it cost me less than £30 via Ebay. T'was money well spent. It's a reasonable step up from my trusty old Radeon HD6670, and it not requiring any external power was a big plus, as my PSU is only 350W and doesn't have any spare connectors. Not that I play any really new 3D games, but I now have a few more options. 😁
hello. i deal with firepro and quadro gpus a lot. i've found many for super cheap and consider them the best option during the shortage for budget systems or when nothing else is available. i can help you find many more varying ones if you ever wanted to test a lot of them like me, and for very very cheap. many for 10 or 20 bucks. i can get the s7000 and radeon sky 500 in endless amounts brand new with free shipping right now for 70 bucks, and i consider them even modernly viable. they tank most things.
You should look into the Tesla K20X. 70 bucks, needs a 3D printed fan shroud for the Tesla K40 from thingiverse and an 80mm PWM Delta fan that you can control through Argus Monitor in Windows, but you get GTX Titan performance even during the shortage THAT cheap.
@@b0ne91 those are cool too, but more work to deal with, and much more expensive still. a person could maybe get one or two for cheaper through somewhere like ebay or something, but i don't feel that reflects what everybody could get such a thing for, and they would be used too, which isn't a huge deal but still. plus, many systems wouldn't be able to deal with the lack of display ports on the card. some can reroute it through the onboard graphics port if the motherboard has it, but requires additional work and typically linux in many cases. things like the shroud and stuff are no big deal, and the firepro s7000 is the same situation. they were made to be slotted into servers many at a time so they don't have fans on them, i just mount two cpu/case fans on them myself and call it a day. just one 6pin for power and the back fin is removable which dramatically shortens the card. but yeah, can get them repeatedly brand new on amazon right now sealed for 70 bucks a piece free shipping in the US, which is one of the best deals i can find at the moment while also involving a guarantee and return/refund policy and etc etc.
@@natea4158 No Linux required. Any Haswell iGPU based system works perfectly and they make for amazing high refresh rate esports PCs. Way too much heat to cool them any other way than I suggested though. Or any system with a GT 710 for display outputs if no iGPU will work too. I've sold many gaming systems with those GPUs in them. Got great feedback, especially in the price range.
@@b0ne91 again and like i said, they are indeed cool too, but not nearly as worth it as the firepro because of all of my other points above. and yes, extra steps are required, even with a newer cpu. and no, not any igpu haswell system works, let alone perfectly. and a lot of people if they are buying such a card and trying to make it into a gaming card, don't have the money to begin with to buy a second card for it's display output too, so wouldn't want to try buying a gt710, which are going for 50 bucks or more during the shortage even themselves. a great great deal of my customers who still pass through here don't even have newer systems anyway, and the bulk of people out there are just using integrated graphics and don't even have one gpu. i know that sounds crazy from a gamer's or enthusiast's perspective, but they only make up a small fraction of consumers. but yeah, again, teslas are cool and all too, but too much work for most people, more expensive, need more stuff, etc. the firepro can literally be dropped in any system and is ready to go. the only thing a person has to do to use it for gaming is add some fans. if they aren't gaming, it's fine without fans.
ESRAM and Optimisations usually make up for the lack of GDDR, personally I don’t think it would have faired much better, as seen by the PS4. GDDRs Latency for Tasks is much more detrimental to CPU Performance, and does make development harder, something MS didn’t want for the Xbox One. Either way it’d be limited by the Jaguar cores completely I reckon.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial PS4 is still a very capable little machine,especially at that £250 launch price... Your options on the other side are intel atom Chromebooks.
Happy New Year BBO, I like seeing these Workstation GPU Comparisons, especially how they perform out of their comfort zone gaming, it makes for interesting out of the ordinary GTX/RTX vs RX comparisons 😁, Best Wishes to you, your family & all the Viewers for a Happy, Healthy & Safe 2022
So I've seen the PS3's GPU, and now the XB1's (and by extension the PS4's GPU.) I wonder where all the other console GPU equivalent chips are going to come about. Looking forward to it if that is on the docket at all.
I've been using this card for over 7 months until I upgraded to a Firepro S7000. So far this card actually does 1080p gaming quite fine and despite it being a pitcairn GCN 1.0 based gpu, it still packs some power for 75w, you can mod this card using VBE7 but the voltage controller (Volterra VT1556M) isn't really good for it. So results may vary! Thanks for making this video! Also the Firepro S7000, W7000, And Radeon Sky 500 is basically a HD 7870 Aka PS4 Graphics cards
HD 7770 1GB, same Asus single fan cooler as seen on vid, was on my first build ever that actually was somewhat relevant (bang for buck at the time). It had FX-4170(oh yes) and 8GB ram, was around 2012 summer/fall. BF3 ran well 1080p and it was changing point in my gaming life haha :D Before that pc I had Athlon 4000+ (SINGLE core), 2GB RAM and HD3850 256MB xD
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I got the donor guts out a first generation Alienware Aurora R1, on the X58 motherboard platform. Started out with an R7 360, an i7 920, and 8gb of DDR3-1066. Maxed it out to an i7 990X, (6 cores, 12 thread back in 2011), 24gb of DDR3-1866, and finished upgrading it with a 1070ti. At that point even a good cpu like the 990X was bottlenecking the gpu. After that I kept it as my back up pc and managed to get my hands on a founders edition 3080 for msrp.
i sometimes play my xbox one x, mostly for games that are exclusive to the console(s) or not wanting to have 2 to 5 accounts running just to play one single player game on my pc. your content is still fun to watch, mostly to see how well older hardware holds up and stuff
The W5000 also has 256 bit memory bus running at 102 GB/s bandwidth. The SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 550 4GB has comparable specs and has GCN 4.0 architecture. But is more pricey. The Radeon HD 7770 uses more power than the W5000,yet it has fewer transistors. 1,500 million transistors as opposed to the W5000 with 2,800 million transistors. That illustrates to me that the HD 7770 gpu is much less efficient that the W5000. The R7 260 uses even more power than the HD 7770 & the W5000,yet has less bandwidth and half the memory bus of the W5000. It also has fewer transistors than the W5000. 2,080 million transistors as opposed to the W5000 with 2,800 million transistors.
It’s amazing how much they got out of the xbox one GPU considering this performance on PC. Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5 on Xbox One blows my mind.
Hmm Well damn colored me impressed with this GPU. Yeah it does have its limits but still being able to pull off some games like this is very impressive.
Jedi: Fallen Order is a game that begs to be run from an SSD, which might be where a lot of the bad feedback from XB1 users comes from. Also, technically Crysis Remastered *can* do software RT...
I really really miss the days of one slotted GPUs for affordable price. For the last 5 years prices were awful and switching to consoles is not an option since i still have self-respect and some brain cells. I guess it's good that we had that, now a memory to cherish.
I'm in professional GPUs since the shortages started. I used for a while nvidia k5200 ( played Forza Horizon 5 nicely) and k620 (good for e sports games). I got W5000 from e bay £40. When I installed the card, windows put some generic drivers. I downloaded the drivers from AMD website, latest version, but windows was crashing during the install. First thought was that the card has issues. Then I downloaded older drivers, version 17, which worked flawlessly. Then I thought, why not try the newest drivers, and it worked. Didn't had time to test it in games but after seeing this video I couldn't be more pleased. Thanks 😊
I still have mine in the drawer. Modding a fan to my passive cooled one and overclocking it to play gta 5 and far cry 4 at 24fps in a dual core pc made me feel like a hacker of sorts. Those were the good times and those 5450 Radeons were amazing.
I can't tell if you said masterchef deliberately or not 😂 I was wondering if it would still be worth buying because of drivers, but it can run most of the games without issue.
I have an Alienware M18R2. Its got two - crossfired 7970ms - Which as I understand it, are basically binned desktop 7850 cards. They can chew upto 100w per card, so its kinda fascinating to see that something not shabby and not too distant on desktop is using only half the juice :) Nice video!
@@gandi69 as someone who started with an R7 360, went up to a 1070ti, then down to a K2200, then up to an RX 580, then down to the iGPU of a 5700G, then up to a 3080, I can say that the K2200 is a pretty good card. Essentially a 750ti with twice the VRAM, same gpu die and all. Not to mention it's single slot and a bus powered card. I plan on keeping my K2200 around even as I use my 3080, since of how practical it is, especially for troubleshooting other systems.
All of that performance at 45w. It makes rx460 2gb usless and rx550 completely useless. I still think an hd7770 is closer to xbox 1 because of those 32ROPs on w5000. ROPs are far more important for performance than shaders or tmus. Thats why a gtx1050 can have the same performance as an rx560 despite it having half the shaders and tmus plus ofc more modern architecture on nvidias side.
My GPU when I built my first system in 2013 was a Radeon HD 7790, which is very similar to the OG PS4 in performance. The biggest issue it had was a lack of VRAM (only a gig), otherwise it was a perfectly decent card for the $100 I paid at the time. If I'd had the 2 gig model, I'm sure I would've used it a lot longer, but as it was I ended up swapping it for a 3 gig R9 280 in 2015 when GTA V came out on PC.
many cards will stop running mainly due to new directx 12 plus requirements, and because integrated graphics will be equal or stronger. gtx 770,1050, 780, r9 280x n similar cannot be defeated. they can run much better than playstaytion 4 decades Aaa titles. putting two 1050 ti together is like a gtx 1650,1660, and cost less
OK some of the stuff that you're saying here is not exactly correct. Number one this video is about cards that you can actually get for a decent price right now and the GTX1050 is literally like a $150 to $200 right now and two 1050 Tis would be faster than a 1650 as a single 1050 ti is nearly faster than a basic 1650
@@Dimondminer11 before about 2 years ago, 1050 ti used was sold about 80dollars and less i made mistake i did not bought TWo of them to have them sli or the second for backup. now 1050 ti used are about 120 dollars in local markets. 1650 gtx are dropping at 260 dollars New, so forget new 1050 ti.
12:50 True. My XFX RX570 8GB came stock at 1286mhz at a peak auto voltage of 1.15v. Through BIOS modding, I managed to get that down to just 1V at stock clocks and gained performance by optimizing the VRAM timings(which Polaris really loves). Overclocked to 1350mhz at 1.068v, I'm getting RX580 performance out of it. So while they are dumb cards at stock, BIOS modding can unlock over 10% fps gains with reduced voltage as well. Sadly very few will attempt to mod the BIOS and Radeon Settings is buggy as hell and doesn't allow low-level VRAM timing mods.
I got my RX 570 OC'd to 1460MHz stable without BIOS modding. The memory timings are automatic, and the voltage settings are set to automatic. Noticable boost in performance. Runs FH5 on ultra no issues.
@@XsaviXander1460mhz at what voltage? Because you'll almost surely need more than 1.125v to do that unless you got very lucky with the silicon lottery. At over 1.125v, thermals and power consumption become big issues with these cards. Even at 1.068v and a Kryonaut + 2x Arctic P12 fans mod, my card is in the mid-high 60s Celsius in the most demanding games. Auto memory timings are nowhere near as good as optimized ones. My card was scoring 173GB/s in poclmembench on auto timings and it's now scoring a massive 222GB/s. Polaris is extremely memory-bound so unless you mod the BIOS and optimize the VRAM timings, you are leaving a lot of performance on the table. In some benchmarks such as LuxMark, my 1350mhz RX570 is even scoring above some 1500mhz+ RX590s, simply thanks to the VRAM timings.
@@r34ztune11 I have it on Auto. I have my memory at 2000MHz on Auto voltage. I have highest state set as the minimum (1460). I may tune the memory timings sometime later though. They are Samsung modules so I'll have to do some research.
The reason Halo infinite doesn’t work is because that card doesn’t support directx 12 properly. It supports DirectX 12 Feature Level 11_1, Halo Infinite requires at least Feature Level 12_0, there are a good number of new games now which are starting to set the base requirement at FL12_0, for example assassins creed Valhalla, guardians of the galaxy, halo infinite and death stranding(although that has a patch because it used so little actual DX12 features). This is starting to be the bane of older cards like the 750Ti and Kepler alongside first gen GCN as it’s not a case of power, it’s that new games are just unable to run at all.
Console manufacturers usually choose older gpu's to cut costs yet overall for the system u pay $450-500 for it u could theoretically build a gaming PC with the same horsepower as a Xbox one using a optiplex as the base and get twice the performance out of it because the console gpu's are under clocked to avoid overheating issues.
There's a whole other world of professional grade hardware out there that isn't ordinarily touched on. All I know about professional grade GPUs is that they're hugely expensive for the hardware but you are actually paying for the certified drivers and the 24/7 on call support. And for industrial power supplies you get lower efficiency but redundant modules and rock solid build quality. In fact some industrial PC motherboards still use the ISA slot because upgrading your factory to a PCIe interface would be prohibitively expensive due to having to shut down and change the whole thing and because ISA is so well known as to be all but bug free. Be interesting to run this through some productivity workloads like video rendering and CAD. With more people doing the WFH there might be a market for this sort of thing in home users systems.
LOVE the W5000!? Its form factor and connectivity, allows it to being a great support/troubleshooter too The 256bit interface, since a cut back 7800 chip, also helps tremendously in OV performance
oh damn, i think you solved my single slot GPU problem. i have been hunting for a yeston rx550 since the end of 2019, but the prices have gone from $150 to $350. not worth the purchase at all. if this card is just as good and fits well in a tight ass OEM acer. its good enough for me to give it a second life!
Budget XBONE video card for the win. And I'm surprised it ran all those games as well as it did though, because I can remember back when PS3 and Shitbox 360 came out, someone stripped them down to see what video cards they used, and basically the PS3 used a modified version of the 7900GT 256MB. No matter what anybody did, they could never get PS3 level of visual and gameplay quality if they put that into a PC. But nowadays, it shows just how similar the new console architecture is to modern PC's. Hence the similar settings and performance you got most likely 😉 Great experiment as always.
Xbox One and PS4 were mainly CPU bound in terms of performance. In your benchmarks where you’re comparing the Xbox One to the PC equivalent GPU, you’re using a 3700x (which is about 8x faster than the PS4 CPU) and 4 times the memory (using 32 gigs RAM + 2gb VRAM compared to only 8 gb unified RAM)
Maybe mention the ASIC quality in the overclocking sections of your GPU reviews? It would give people more information about overclocking performance to expect.
Ah yes, MasterChef Collection.
Maybe they will make "MasterChief" for aspiring Navy personel.
The Gordon Ramsey collection
I'm all about the meat wad
@@9190onin Donkey
I fondly remember running around with the Ginsu Energy Sword and cutting up tomatoes - and the occasional tin can.
I'd imagine these cards are pretty useless to Cryptominers and too old for Scalpers. Not a bad option for upgrading something like an old Dell for light gaming.
@@andyk192 or a robotic suit heart
They are $250 CAD on ebay now....
@@SDkillaa US sales are sitting around 50-100 dollars now. Still not scalping in the sense that they're being bought in bulk to be resold, more like people realizing the higher value the cards.
$200 on ebay
@@nathanielbolden5053 Are you looking at the items that actually sold?
The performance for $40 is stellar, especially considering the current GPU shortage. Great budget option.
rx 580 8gb would be so much of a better option
@@Therealcloudyyrx 580 8gb is probably the best GPU you can buy if you're going to play at 1080p right now
@@scratchos9816 i put one in a mid ranged build 6 months ago and it still plays all the new games at high graphics settings with 2 monitors. thing baffles me.
@@scratchos9816i think Rx 5700xt is better for price and performance
@@Nicolo-ue9xu probably true but as someone with an rx 580 8gb I don't see any need to upgrade any time soon
I have this exact card! I found it in an old workstation that was going to be thrown away. It definitely surprised me in terms of its performance and it’s also an excellent troubleshooting card for when I need a graphics card to test a system with. Overall, I’d say it’s one of my favorite “cheap” cards that I own due to its versatility.
Do you know good places to find work stations
@@randommonkey4900 Computer recycling centers would probably be your best bet. I got mine while working for a Staples back in the day. Just make sure to be polite and ask before looking through things.
@@Tomcat115 okay thank you, I may look at my local recycling center
Agreed, if the old BFG Tech card burns out in my little retro XP era build burns out, I might hunt down one of these as a replacement, since I'm running Linux in it anyway, make it a even weirder amalgam of old, new, and odd parts
I have this exact same GPU, but mine is a DVI version where there's only two DVI ports on the GPU instead of 2xDP and 1xDVI. So far this is quite a powerful and efficient Windows XP retro gaming card, except it has some driver issues on some older games (under Windows XP) like Will Rock (crashes the GPU driver upon minimizing and returning) and True Crime : Streets of LA (slight model artifacting) despite the card working normally and fine. Not that much driver updates for XP since the last driver update was in 2012 before they abandoned XP driver support for it
Regarding the 3DMark03 score, I got about 57000 3DMarks score but that was with my Athlon II X2 270 so kinda a bit bottlenecked here. You can get higher with a more powerful CPU
I love to think of someone playing True Crime: Streets of LA in 2022. True legend.
@@redacted5035 only because it's not new means that it's trash? Actually the modern games is trash compared to the old ones
Trash gpu I have 6700 xt
Does it have the internal framebuffer tiling of the Xbox one GPU?
I found this card for around 5 pounds at a local selling site. It's pretty fun to mess around with.
damn pretty crazy u can get an enjoyable experience for so cheap
@Michael It is i, ECH.
It might be more significantly more useful than the 1GB HD 7850 that I own when it comes to playing modern games.
Very surprised to see it outperform the R7 260 by such a large margin. They should have the same number of cores and VRAM, the only possible differences are clock speeds and memory bandwidth.
Also the ROPs the w5000 have 32 and 260 only 16. So the w5000 got 26.40 GPixel/s fill rate versus only 16Gpixel for the 260. So with twice the memory bandwidth and twice the Fill rate it make sense that the W5000 end up a way faster.
1GB on the 7850 is such a killer. I have it in a tertiary PC that I occasionally like to play games on, and its legitimately frustrating how much of a bottleneck the lack of Vmem is. With low texture quality and 720p, you can get away with some impressive visuals considering its DX12/Vulkan capabilities, but its a real crapshoot. Needless to say, I've gone with the highest Vmem version on subsequent upgrades. 8 gigs on an rx580 may be overkill, but I WILL NOT BE LIMITED LIKE THAT AGAIN. AMD shouldn't have sold it like that...(and I shouldn't have bought it like that, but clearly, I'm never wrong. I am the best, I am infallible /s)
I didn't know until now they made a 1gb 7850! I had the 2gb model
Was my first gpu since the ati 9700.
@@tatsumaru12345 They where fine at there Time and cheap as fuck. You could even grab the sapphire for under 150€ while te 2 Gig Models where all 200€ +. And it was more than enough to pulverize any 77XX even with 2 GB. It was an even better 750ti when you include workloads and not only Gaming. But with all the new games since than you buy better something 2 Gig Vram +. And the best thing ist you can run them as lead card in crossfire with R9 270 but today that doesn´t makes it better
my 2gb 7850 never failed me. i even cranked the sliders on msi afterburner. still runs to this day.
Halo Infinite didn't treat my RX 580 as a virus, but it sure as hell treated it like it was a GT 710.
It treats my quadro m4000 8gb worse than a gt 1030 so don't feel so bad
Halo infinite is such a terribly optimized game no matter what settings i do it still wont go above 70fps on a gtx 1080 or an rx 6600
I don’t know if its cpu bound or what but its just plain awful i have a ryzen 7 2700x which is ageing but should by no means be bottlenecking that bad in halo
@@aubrynobicop6924 Halo Infinite is CPU demanding, your R7 2700X is lacking in single core performance and the 1080 is aging. I ditched my R7 2700 for a 5600X. Night and day difference.
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty as i said yes its aging but by no means should be bottlenecking that badly for crying out loud Fortnite runs better and it also has terrible cpu optimization its cpu bound 90% of the time and yet i get triple my fps in Fortnite halo infinite is terribly optimized. No excuses
@@aubrynobicop6924 Halo infinite is better optimized than Fortnite. Fortnite is infamous for stuttering and has terrible graphics. I told you, your single core performance is lagging behind. In fact, my 2700 gave me similar single core performance to my old i3 6100. 2700X is good for multicore, not single core.
That's a really interesting card indeed considering how impossible gpu's (or basically anything) is to get a hold of these days, coincidentally enough I'm working on a video about the Xbox one in 2022 and how it holds up, turns out it runs better than i expected with even modern releases. it's good to know there's still options for pc and console gamers despite the market were in. I wonder how it compares to the 750 ti?
Well just like every other generation it will run all games up untill end of life sure some newer games suck on it but they also make games with the weakest link in mind
Alas, this is where we find out whether Budget has the Techmoan Effect.
I’d rather not play any games then play on an Xbox one LMAO it’s sooo dog shi*
@@earnistse4899 If you are able to think like that, consider yourself lucky.
@@archetype6351 the series s is readily available for 300 bucks . No reason for someone to still be on the Xbox one. That console was doing 720p when it first came out lmao. It’s crap
This seems like a phenomenal card if you want to play older/indie games (ie a good 90% of my steam library) and can stretch to titles from up to a few years ago. Basically a console for 40 quid!
but you also need all of you other components
@@curtis6314 throw it in a Dell Optiplex for another 40 ;)
Yeah
Compared to a series x which now to match that on pc side would be 1400$
@@realraf1 no?
What I love about that thing is its Win XP compatible, you could throw it into an older quad core i7 rig and dual boot. Run lower intensity modern titles in, say, Win 7, and boot into Win XP and play OG Crysis or Far Cry with everything maxed.
why would you use those unsupported windows? seems a little dangerous
@@Klosop 7 is still supported enough to run Steam and is less intensive. Its secure enough to use online with some caution. And XP is the only way to play some games without any glitches and with hardware accelerated audio. You wouldn't be going online with it.
@@ironhead2008 You could go online with XP with certain anti-virus software that still supports it. Also, most hackers/scammers stopped supporting this OS :D so it is lot safer then you think.
@@ironhead2008 I don't have any glitches or problems running old games in Windows 10 and ofc 7 would run steam I mean how else would people run steam before 2015
@@ironhead2008 and the browsing online part, fair enough
Video has been out an hour and eBay already has the prices pumped way up from where you bought it. Gotta love it.
Yep, just checked now and £60 on eBay UK (only 4 left!). Anyone who bought these at £30 - £40 can now get themselves a nice little profit. :)
It's always the same. When you see a youtuber with some reach do a video about a device being a good deal, by the time an average joe gets to see it (so 90% chance it's after patreon exclusivity or stuff like that) there's basically already no point in looking for said device because the price will have shot up into unrealistic regions, making it a nonstarter and pointless to even consider. It's essentially fueling a miniature scalping scheme that may or may not recover (imagine being clueless to this videos existance, wanting to sell your W5000, seeing the average price of ended auctions being at 60+gbp ... do you try to sell it for 30-40? nah.. you're gonna go with the flow and want 60+ for a card that definitely isn't worth that... and then nobody buys it and it rots on ebay forever like so many items do, never actually being sold cause the seller is adamant it's worth way more than it actually is)
Great video, workstation cards are generally underappretiated. I got myself FireGL v5600 for some small project and it run absolutely flawlessly while newer ATI hd 5550 refused to work.
Hahaha, maybe I'll give it a shot! I can't even get my hd 6970 to work on windows with drivers (blacks out) 😂
@@krystostheoverlord1261 probably cooked itself
@@virtualtools_3021 it actually works fine on Linux open source drivers oddly enough 😂😂😂
So figured I would come back and comment since this video convinced me to take a chance on 2 of these when the GPUs were still insanely priced. I have 2 of these in crossfire and they performed pretty well for paying roughly 45 each for these. Decided to try the Nimez drivers with them as well and saw a pretty big boost on performance with them. It registers them as R9 370x’s but they jumped from around 20fps on Fallout 4 1080p Ultra to 35-40 fps at same settings. Just a thought for anyone that might actually be using these for gaming. Cheers!
GCN was probably the best aging GPU architecture ever made. My favorite generation by far.
Yeah, imagine if they updated the components, bus bandwidth, vram speed and increase in cores/speed, these cards would be acceptable or even good for the most demanding titles
Depends which one you got. Because weren't cards like the r9 fury also using that or something very similar?
Which is why despite them being very new amd dropped support for them.
@@tilburg8683 The issue with the Fury lies in the VRAM limits. If you can manage them it can still deliver nicely.
@@Alex96194 they tried that with the 290x lol. gcn got too old to keep up and they made a card with wild specs but a hot power hog and was the end of the gcn era
@@kyles8524 I had a 290 Crossfire and with some undervolting, the power consumption came down a lot.
What was causing these consoles to not perform so well was the Jaguar CPU cores, there is a copy of those Xbox One Jaguar cores and a motherboard with it floating around, with this graphic card it should mean you can make a exact copy of a Xbox One, do it and test it! th-cam.com/video/mW_PGvxpT5k/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/CyrcJkCGL8o/w-d-xo.html
would be pretty pointless to test a build that's similar to the xbone. games on consoles have heavy optimisations that you just don't get on pc, so the xbone will easily outperform a pc with identical specs
Not quite, because the Xbox has unified memory.
@@imnotshub technically pointless maybe, but still fun, and it's a PC so you can load it up with whatever extra hardware you want and whatever OS you can stuff in, maybe even SteamOS 3.0 to make it a very different kind of game console
That might actually be interesting to someone (indie game studio or junior game dev) that wants to get into game development for the Xbox/PS*. You could install Windows or a Unix derivative (PS4/5 uses BSD I believe) and test your Unity or Unreal games on actual, real hardware that is used in the Xbox/PS.
I can hear people say, use a virtual machine or emulator or something, but 1) emulators are not a thing yet for this generation of consoles, and 2) how would you emulate the incredibly slow Jaguar CPU cores and GPU combo?
It is weird however that the motherboard in question has separate memory banks instead of soldered on GDDR* memory that the actual Xbox and PS uses. Makes me wonder if this "custom" APU chip is a lot more conventional that we think.
Anyway interesting find and thanks for linking the videos!
Completely false@@imnotshub
Hey, this is the type of video card I love to see in the works. Cheap and understated. Great video. 👍
woah woah woah, you can't just splice in some Fable Any% footage without saying a word. Since when are you doing speedruns?
Took it up last year, was a lot of fun.
You know summ? I take it back, old Reece still got it cracking
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Do you have a speedrun channel? Or twitch? I'd love to take a look
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial we want to see your speed runs ya bozo.
I've been running the W5100 4Gb that replaced this for a couple of years and it's actually a rather good card - totally silent in use, drivers have been stable (a novelty for AMD) and it's been very reliable. I don't do much gaming but it will run The Outer Worlds pretty well.
"drivers have been stable (a novelty for AMD)"
> ain't that the FN truth lmao
I wonder if people will ever stop to shit on AMDs drivers. Used any AMD hardware lately? Guess what. Their drivers look like they're from this century unlike Nvidias horseshit that looks like Windows 3.1.
Yes, AMD had shit drivers. Yes, some of their products are shit, like 5700XT that a lot of people never could use without issues.
My 5600G works great. The AMD drivers work great. My Nvidia Turing card (yes, I run two GPUs from different manufacturers in the same system) works great, too.
@@Ford.Prefect fanboy
@@dakyno Yeah, using Intel, AMD, Nvidia. I'm a total fanboy.
You got it, @Dakyon
@@Ford.Prefect ok
Great review! Not bad, quite shocked by it's useability even today.
BTW, I always love the shots you do of hardware over the little birdbath.
Made me anxious
I've had one of these for a couple years, the only problem I have with it is that Radeon Pro drivers conflict with their consumer cards. Meaning if you have any consumer AMD gpu in the same system, you will get driver problems and can't use both, including integrated graphics. Otherwise it's an awesome little card.
That could be another story on Linux. Would be interesting.
The benchmark tests are pretty impressive! I still play on my old GT 640 and most of today's games do work fine on minimum settings at 1080p. Proves you sometimes don't need to spend big bucks to enjoy current gen gaming.
Which games, exactly? I have a hard time believing the GT 640 runs "most of today's" current-gen games at 1080p with playable framerates, even at minimum settings.
Well some people consider 20fps as playable because they don't know any better or never experienced a decent gaming experience 😂
@@i3l4ckskillzz79 for me i'm able to hit 4k 120fps, but 1080p at 20 or 30 fps isnt really that big a deal, at least to me, hell, 720p at 30fps is fine for plenty of games
I have a GTX 1050 3GB (faster than a 1050 Ti), and I'm pretty sure even my GPU would struggle to run the newest games in FHD (unless I use FSR), so claiming a GT 640 can run games well is BS
Good for you if you feel 5fps is playable
6:41, ah yes, the memories from Fortnite thinking that the drivers for the HD 4890 were a virus.
Thanks BBO. Your review made me decide to get one of these, and it cost me less than £30 via Ebay. T'was money well spent. It's a reasonable step up from my trusty old Radeon HD6670, and it not requiring any external power was a big plus, as my PSU is only 350W and doesn't have any spare connectors. Not that I play any really new 3D games, but I now have a few more options. 😁
>Halo Masterchef Edition
I can’t wait to see this. Master Chief cooking a 3 course meal.
1:09 u got guts to keep it above the water......good goooood
hello. i deal with firepro and quadro gpus a lot. i've found many for super cheap and consider them the best option during the shortage for budget systems or when nothing else is available. i can help you find many more varying ones if you ever wanted to test a lot of them like me, and for very very cheap. many for 10 or 20 bucks. i can get the s7000 and radeon sky 500 in endless amounts brand new with free shipping right now for 70 bucks, and i consider them even modernly viable. they tank most things.
You should look into the Tesla K20X. 70 bucks, needs a 3D printed fan shroud for the Tesla K40 from thingiverse and an 80mm PWM Delta fan that you can control through Argus Monitor in Windows, but you get GTX Titan performance even during the shortage THAT cheap.
@@b0ne91 those are cool too, but more work to deal with, and much more expensive still. a person could maybe get one or two for cheaper through somewhere like ebay or something, but i don't feel that reflects what everybody could get such a thing for, and they would be used too, which isn't a huge deal but still. plus, many systems wouldn't be able to deal with the lack of display ports on the card. some can reroute it through the onboard graphics port if the motherboard has it, but requires additional work and typically linux in many cases. things like the shroud and stuff are no big deal, and the firepro s7000 is the same situation. they were made to be slotted into servers many at a time so they don't have fans on them, i just mount two cpu/case fans on them myself and call it a day. just one 6pin for power and the back fin is removable which dramatically shortens the card. but yeah, can get them repeatedly brand new on amazon right now sealed for 70 bucks a piece free shipping in the US, which is one of the best deals i can find at the moment while also involving a guarantee and return/refund policy and etc etc.
@@natea4158 No Linux required. Any Haswell iGPU based system works perfectly and they make for amazing high refresh rate esports PCs. Way too much heat to cool them any other way than I suggested though.
Or any system with a GT 710 for display outputs if no iGPU will work too. I've sold many gaming systems with those GPUs in them. Got great feedback, especially in the price range.
@@b0ne91 again and like i said, they are indeed cool too, but not nearly as worth it as the firepro because of all of my other points above. and yes, extra steps are required, even with a newer cpu. and no, not any igpu haswell system works, let alone perfectly. and a lot of people if they are buying such a card and trying to make it into a gaming card, don't have the money to begin with to buy a second card for it's display output too, so wouldn't want to try buying a gt710, which are going for 50 bucks or more during the shortage even themselves. a great great deal of my customers who still pass through here don't even have newer systems anyway, and the bulk of people out there are just using integrated graphics and don't even have one gpu. i know that sounds crazy from a gamer's or enthusiast's perspective, but they only make up a small fraction of consumers. but yeah, again, teslas are cool and all too, but too much work for most people, more expensive, need more stuff, etc. the firepro can literally be dropped in any system and is ready to go. the only thing a person has to do to use it for gaming is add some fans. if they aren't gaming, it's fine without fans.
Love the MasterChef™️ Collection. Gordan Ramsey yelling at you for missing really adds to the immersion of the game.
makes me wonder how the OG Xbox one's GPU would've performed had it been using GDDR5 rather than GDDR3.
ESRAM and Optimisations usually make up for the lack of GDDR, personally I don’t think it would have faired much better, as seen by the PS4.
GDDRs Latency for Tasks is much more detrimental to CPU Performance, and does make development harder, something MS didn’t want for the Xbox One. Either way it’d be limited by the Jaguar cores completely I reckon.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Xbox one was given freesync thought ?
XB1 was DDR3 btw not GDDR
still slightly worse than a base ps4, because it had less compute units. the ps5 had gddr5
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial PS4 is still a very capable little machine,especially at that £250 launch price... Your options on the other side are intel atom Chromebooks.
7:14 that subtle change from BeamNG to Bannerlord was smooth 💀
I'd have loved to see BeamNG in the benchmark :(
nvm, I should watch the whole video before writing a comment...
Happy New Year BBO,
I like seeing these Workstation GPU Comparisons, especially how they perform out of their comfort zone gaming,
it makes for interesting out of the ordinary GTX/RTX vs RX comparisons 😁,
Best Wishes to you, your family & all the Viewers for a Happy, Healthy & Safe 2022
Aaaaand this card is not cheap anymore.
It’s been three days and they’re already twice the price.
So I've seen the PS3's GPU, and now the XB1's (and by extension the PS4's GPU.) I wonder where all the other console GPU equivalent chips are going to come about. Looking forward to it if that is on the docket at all.
You can already buy the PS5's APU in a PC
LTT made a video on it
@@My_Old_YT_Account Link
@@multiicore_ link please.
@@My_Old_YT_Account Isn't the PS5 about equal to a RX 6600XT in specs?
@@crestofhonor2349 If I remember correctly it was pretty shit due to the shared ram
I've been using this card for over 7 months until I upgraded to a Firepro S7000. So far this card actually does 1080p gaming quite fine and despite it being a pitcairn GCN 1.0 based gpu, it still packs some power for 75w, you can mod this card using VBE7 but the voltage controller (Volterra VT1556M) isn't really good for it. So results may vary! Thanks for making this video!
Also the Firepro S7000, W7000, And Radeon Sky 500 is basically a HD 7870 Aka PS4 Graphics cards
HD 7770 1GB, same Asus single fan cooler as seen on vid, was on my first build ever that actually was somewhat relevant (bang for buck at the time). It had FX-4170(oh yes) and 8GB ram, was around 2012 summer/fall. BF3 ran well 1080p and it was changing point in my gaming life haha :D
Before that pc I had Athlon 4000+ (SINGLE core), 2GB RAM and HD3850 256MB xD
Oh man,the ol' 4 module (2 core) space heater cpu
Oddly enough I had an FX4300, 6GB DDR3, and a VTX HD7770 in my first ‘good’ system.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I got the donor guts out a first generation Alienware Aurora R1, on the X58 motherboard platform. Started out with an R7 360, an i7 920, and 8gb of DDR3-1066. Maxed it out to an i7 990X, (6 cores, 12 thread back in 2011), 24gb of DDR3-1866, and finished upgrading it with a 1070ti. At that point even a good cpu like the 990X was bottlenecking the gpu. After that I kept it as my back up pc and managed to get my hands on a founders edition 3080 for msrp.
i sometimes play my xbox one x, mostly for games that are exclusive to the console(s) or not wanting to have 2 to 5 accounts running just to play one single player game on my pc. your content is still fun to watch, mostly to see how well older hardware holds up and stuff
The W5000 also has 256 bit memory bus running at 102 GB/s bandwidth.
The SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 550 4GB has comparable specs and has GCN 4.0 architecture.
But is more pricey.
The Radeon HD 7770 uses more power than the W5000,yet it has fewer transistors.
1,500 million transistors as opposed to the W5000 with 2,800 million transistors.
That illustrates to me that the HD 7770 gpu is much less efficient that the W5000.
The R7 260 uses even more power than the HD 7770 & the W5000,yet has less bandwidth and half the memory bus of the W5000.
It also has fewer transistors than the W5000.
2,080 million transistors as opposed to the W5000 with 2,800 million transistors.
You take the best B-Roll shots, the fog streaming from the well killed me haha
And yet eBay has already doubled the price to about £60.... That said, I'd still consider that affordable compared with a current gen card.
Its over a 150$'s man, Guy must have gotten really luck. Even Newegg is charging 200$'s for a new one. Happy gaming!
@@SpinelessPyro rule of gold once it gets famous on youtube scalpers take the cake.
Awesome Video. I'm quite surprised that I somehow guessed right. Keep up the great content. The quality of your Videos is pristine.
What a great little card! And an absolute bargain, too!
It’s amazing how much they got out of the xbox one GPU considering this performance on PC. Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5 on Xbox One blows my mind.
Hmm Well damn colored me impressed with this GPU. Yeah it does have its limits but still being able to pull off some games like this is very impressive.
Rdr2 impressed me most really
enjoyed that video, readily available and cheap you don't get to say that about a graphics card very often these days!
Jedi: Fallen Order is a game that begs to be run from an SSD, which might be where a lot of the bad feedback from XB1 users comes from. Also, technically Crysis Remastered *can* do software RT...
Thanks for taking the time to share your insight. 😁💖
I really really miss the days of one slotted GPUs for affordable price. For the last 5 years prices were awful and switching to consoles is not an option since i still have self-respect and some brain cells. I guess it's good that we had that, now a memory to cherish.
I'm in professional GPUs since the shortages started. I used for a while nvidia k5200 ( played Forza Horizon 5 nicely) and k620 (good for e sports games). I got W5000 from e bay £40. When I installed the card, windows put some generic drivers. I downloaded the drivers from AMD website, latest version, but windows was crashing during the install. First thought was that the card has issues. Then I downloaded older drivers, version 17, which worked flawlessly. Then I thought, why not try the newest drivers, and it worked. Didn't had time to test it in games but after seeing this video I couldn't be more pleased. Thanks 😊
Why did you make a video about it? Now it's in the $200+ CAD range. :(
as someone who has a 6800xt and 5900x i always love these videos cause i remember playing on a amd hd5450 for a couple years (2015 - 2017)
I still have mine in the drawer. Modding a fan to my passive cooled one and overclocking it to play gta 5 and far cry 4 at 24fps in a dual core pc made me feel like a hacker of sorts. Those were the good times and those 5450 Radeons were amazing.
@@TalasDS indeed
I think any of the Xbox Ones are solidly in the "last gen" category at this point 😂
I’ve been using my original Xbox One everyday for like 9yrs, and it’s still working fine. Although its just a Netflix streaming device now.
I'm blown away that this can run GTA 5 on 2 gigs of VRAM, or that it even handles RDR2.
Plenty of people ran GTAV/Online on GTX960s, also with just 2GB VRAM. Don't really see what's so surprising about this?!
Haha my 2012 MacBook Pro with 1gb of vram runs it perfectly! I just set it to go past the vram so i could turn some settings up.
past gen games are optimize to run on older cards and stable at 30 fps . I'm guessing you started at 10 series?
Gta v can make do with a lot less than 2GB, but with compromises. It's a nearly 10 year old game soon.
Your channel is like the holy grail for budget's computer parts.
I can't tell if you said masterchef deliberately or not 😂
I was wondering if it would still be worth buying because of drivers, but it can run most of the games without issue.
I have an Alienware M18R2. Its got two - crossfired 7970ms - Which as I understand it, are basically binned desktop 7850 cards. They can chew upto 100w per card, so its kinda fascinating to see that something not shabby and not too distant on desktop is using only half the juice :)
Nice video!
Try to install the latest modded AMD drivers to squeeze its' entire potential.
Modded? they are open source ?
@@amer2142 Nimez or Amermine modded AMD Radeon drivers.
YAAAAAASSS!!! Fable!!! What a legend Budget-Builds Official is for playing that masterpiece.
It'd be nice to see how the nvidia price equivalent does, I've sold some Quadro K2000 cards for about £35 on ebay recently
Those are a gtx 650 with 2gb vram, but single slot, they also oc REALLY good, thanks to their binning by Nvidia
I’m about to try a k2200, got to be better than gt730/1030 at less than half the cost
@@gandi69 as someone who started with an R7 360, went up to a 1070ti, then down to a K2200, then up to an RX 580, then down to the iGPU of a 5700G, then up to a 3080, I can say that the K2200 is a pretty good card. Essentially a 750ti with twice the VRAM, same gpu die and all. Not to mention it's single slot and a bus powered card. I plan on keeping my K2200 around even as I use my 3080, since of how practical it is, especially for troubleshooting other systems.
what a safe place to present the card 🙂Outside between teacup and water.
Great video
All of that performance at 45w. It makes rx460 2gb usless and rx550 completely useless. I still think an hd7770 is closer to xbox 1 because of those 32ROPs on w5000. ROPs are far more important for performance than shaders or tmus. Thats why a gtx1050 can have the same performance as an rx560 despite it having half the shaders and tmus plus ofc more modern architecture on nvidias side.
RX 460 is still faster than RX 550
My GPU when I built my first system in 2013 was a Radeon HD 7790, which is very similar to the OG PS4 in performance. The biggest issue it had was a lack of VRAM (only a gig), otherwise it was a perfectly decent card for the $100 I paid at the time. If I'd had the 2 gig model, I'm sure I would've used it a lot longer, but as it was I ended up swapping it for a 3 gig R9 280 in 2015 when GTA V came out on PC.
many cards will stop running mainly due to new directx 12 plus requirements,
and because integrated graphics will be equal or stronger.
gtx 770,1050, 780, r9 280x n similar cannot be defeated.
they can run much better than playstaytion 4 decades Aaa titles.
putting two 1050 ti together is like a gtx 1650,1660,
and cost less
OK some of the stuff that you're saying here is not exactly correct. Number one this video is about cards that you can actually get for a decent price right now and the GTX1050 is literally like a $150 to $200 right now and two 1050 Tis would be faster than a 1650 as a single 1050 ti is nearly faster than a basic 1650
@@Dimondminer11 before about 2 years ago, 1050 ti used was sold about 80dollars and less
i made mistake i did not bought TWo of them to have them sli or the second for backup.
now 1050 ti used are about 120 dollars in local markets.
1650 gtx are dropping at 260 dollars New, so forget new 1050 ti.
@@Dimondminer11 right my 1060 6gb overclocked keeps up with pcs three times as much as mine
12:50 True. My XFX RX570 8GB came stock at 1286mhz at a peak auto voltage of 1.15v. Through BIOS modding, I managed to get that down to just 1V at stock clocks and gained performance by optimizing the VRAM timings(which Polaris really loves). Overclocked to 1350mhz at 1.068v, I'm getting RX580 performance out of it. So while they are dumb cards at stock, BIOS modding can unlock over 10% fps gains with reduced voltage as well. Sadly very few will attempt to mod the BIOS and Radeon Settings is buggy as hell and doesn't allow low-level VRAM timing mods.
I got my RX 570 OC'd to 1460MHz stable without BIOS modding. The memory timings are automatic, and the voltage settings are set to automatic. Noticable boost in performance. Runs FH5 on ultra no issues.
@@XsaviXander1460mhz at what voltage? Because you'll almost surely need more than 1.125v to do that unless you got very lucky with the silicon lottery. At over 1.125v, thermals and power consumption become big issues with these cards. Even at 1.068v and a Kryonaut + 2x Arctic P12 fans mod, my card is in the mid-high 60s Celsius in the most demanding games. Auto memory timings are nowhere near as good as optimized ones. My card was scoring 173GB/s in poclmembench on auto timings and it's now scoring a massive 222GB/s. Polaris is extremely memory-bound so unless you mod the BIOS and optimize the VRAM timings, you are leaving a lot of performance on the table. In some benchmarks such as LuxMark, my 1350mhz RX570 is even scoring above some 1500mhz+ RX590s, simply thanks to the VRAM timings.
@@r34ztune11 I have it on Auto. I have my memory at 2000MHz on Auto voltage. I have highest state set as the minimum (1460). I may tune the memory timings sometime later though. They are Samsung modules so I'll have to do some research.
Gud video, suprised that 720p looked sharper than the 864p xbox ran at in red dead, guess it’s bad scaling or a lack of sharpening?
I think it’s being able to customise the post processing to make the game 1. Less Blurry and 2. Increased Shader Quality.
First video i watch from your channel, very great info, a great listen and watch. Thank you
aaaaand now people are flipping them for 100 - 200$ ebay. Nice while it lasted.
Yep :(
This has the same energy as How It's Made and I can't explain why.
The reason Halo infinite doesn’t work is because that card doesn’t support directx 12 properly.
It supports DirectX 12 Feature Level 11_1, Halo Infinite requires at least Feature Level 12_0, there are a good number of new games now which are starting to set the base requirement at FL12_0, for example assassins creed Valhalla, guardians of the galaxy, halo infinite and death stranding(although that has a patch because it used so little actual DX12 features).
This is starting to be the bane of older cards like the 750Ti and Kepler alongside first gen GCN as it’s not a case of power, it’s that new games are just unable to run at all.
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Boy do I love the Halo MasterChef Collection
I love the mug to hold up the graphics card in the first few minutes
Halo Master Chef collection is what I heard, enjoyed the video ty
6:14 I love the halo master chef collection it’s one of my favourite games
I think i found the option ill be going with for a budget upgrade for the family PC. Thanks for all your information !
I’m 100 % gonna buy one of these. Don’t even need it but I want it as a backup and as a GPU for this second hand project PC I’m building.
Seeing the card on the bird bath with the cup of coffee make me feel so anxious
"But will it play Crisis."
Use to hear that all the time back in the day.
O6:13 the master chef collection Hahaha very good!
0:20 Damn that looks so cosy! :)
Console manufacturers usually choose older gpu's to cut costs yet overall for the system u pay $450-500 for it u could theoretically build a gaming PC with the same horsepower as a Xbox one using a optiplex as the base and get twice the performance out of it because the console gpu's are under clocked to avoid overheating issues.
Your community is great im joining!!!
"Master Chef" collection is now going to be my default term for the Halo Collection :)
my mans using the sim city sound track nice what a og
10:00 I did the exact same thing to my PS4😂
Slapping an Apple sticker on top of it XD
There's a whole other world of professional grade hardware out there that isn't ordinarily touched on. All I know about professional grade GPUs is that they're hugely expensive for the hardware but you are actually paying for the certified drivers and the 24/7 on call support. And for industrial power supplies you get lower efficiency but redundant modules and rock solid build quality. In fact some industrial PC motherboards still use the ISA slot because upgrading your factory to a PCIe interface would be prohibitively expensive due to having to shut down and change the whole thing and because ISA is so well known as to be all but bug free.
Be interesting to run this through some productivity workloads like video rendering and CAD. With more people doing the WFH there might be a market for this sort of thing in home users systems.
LOVE the W5000!?
Its form factor and connectivity, allows it to being a great support/troubleshooter too
The 256bit interface, since a cut back 7800 chip, also helps tremendously in OV performance
oh damn, i think you solved my single slot GPU problem. i have been hunting for a yeston rx550 since the end of 2019, but the prices have gone from $150 to $350. not worth the purchase at all.
if this card is just as good and fits well in a tight ass OEM acer. its good enough for me to give it a second life!
you make me want to play SIMCITY with the background music
I dunno if it was a mistake or intentional, but "Master Chef Edition" made me laugh.
1:38 never did I think your mug had any beverage in it until I say the steam rolling off
Miss green ham gaming man I should take a huge shot of wine everytime you mentioned about it
They must have seen the video - prices have gone crazy!
Budget XBONE video card for the win. And I'm surprised it ran all those games as well as it did though, because I can remember back when PS3 and Shitbox 360 came out, someone stripped them down to see what video cards they used, and basically the PS3 used a modified version of the 7900GT 256MB. No matter what anybody did, they could never get PS3 level of visual and gameplay quality if they put that into a PC. But nowadays, it shows just how similar the new console architecture is to modern PC's. Hence the similar settings and performance you got most likely 😉 Great experiment as always.
Xbox One and PS4 were mainly CPU bound in terms of performance. In your benchmarks where you’re comparing the Xbox One to the PC equivalent GPU, you’re using a 3700x (which is about 8x faster than the PS4 CPU) and 4 times the memory (using 32 gigs RAM + 2gb VRAM compared to only 8 gb unified RAM)
Awesome! It's the first time that I see this GPU. It's very helpful 🙂👍
Maybe mention the ASIC quality in the overclocking sections of your GPU reviews? It would give people more information about overclocking performance to expect.
I like the idea of this card for Budget Builds, thanks for sharing
"Beamng Bannerlord"
Seems like an interesting game combo